1 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:05,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a production of 2 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: My Heart Radio. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind. 3 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 1: Listener mail. My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Joe McCormick. 4 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: We hope you're doing all right. On this Monday. We 5 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 1: were just talking off Mike about movies shot in Arizona 6 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 1: and about and about how my brain is kind of 7 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 1: wrecked right now because Rachel and I earlier we're listening 8 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 1: to a very nice playlist full of great music. But 9 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: the playlist was called good Times, Great Oldies. It was 10 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:35,639 Speaker 1: just something Rachel found on the Internet. And then it's 11 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:38,599 Speaker 1: full of music from the nineties, which that is awful. 12 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: Don't do that. It's like music for ancient mummies. And 13 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: then it's that goat yea song. Well, you know, it's 14 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: it's just how it works. You reached that point where 15 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 1: you know, all the the hits you remember are the classics, right, Yeah, 16 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: everything becomes gs rock eventually. But now I'm loaded up 17 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 1: on indigol Arles and and Sonny came home and all that, 18 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 1: so so I'm ready to talk about fatim or Ghana. 19 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 1: Rob would you like to jump right into the email. Yeah, 20 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: let's do it. We received a number of listener mails 21 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 1: regarding this episode, which was a super fun to put together, 22 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 1: and um yeah, it seems to resonate with with everyone. 23 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:18,279 Speaker 1: And I guess came out at just the right time 24 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:23,759 Speaker 1: because we received a number of different um emails regarding 25 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: a new image that has just come out. Yeah, so 26 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:34,960 Speaker 1: this was the ship that was cited floating in the 27 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:38,960 Speaker 1: air over the horizon off the Cornish coast. A bunch 28 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: of listeners sent this to us. This may have been 29 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 1: This may have been the thing that was like the 30 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: single largest number of listeners sending the same news article. Yeah, yeah, 31 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: And I think this story was published maybe the same 32 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: day as our fatimor Ghana episode or maybe the day after. 33 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but uh so you can look up 34 00:01:57,480 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: pictures of it on the internet if you haven't seen 35 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 1: it already, look up like ship floating Cornish coast or something. 36 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 1: Uh it should come right up and to read from 37 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:10,239 Speaker 1: the BBC news report about it. This is an unsigned 38 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:12,079 Speaker 1: article of course, so I can't tell you the author, 39 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: but images of what appears to be a hovering ship 40 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: have been captured as a result of a rare optical 41 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 1: illusion off the coast of England. David Morris took a 42 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 1: photo of the ship near Falmouth, Cornwall. BBC meteorologist David 43 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: Brain said the superior mirage occurred because of special atmospheric 44 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:34,640 Speaker 1: conditions that bend light. He said the illusion is common 45 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 1: in the Arctic that can appear very rarely in the 46 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:40,919 Speaker 1: UK during winter. Mr Morris said he was stunned after 47 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 1: capturing the picture while looking out to see from the 48 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 1: hamlet of Gillen. Mr Brain said quote Superior mirages occur 49 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:51,640 Speaker 1: because of the weather condition known as temperature inversion, where 50 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: cold air lies close to the sea and warmer air 51 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 1: above it. Since cold air is denser than warm air, 52 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 1: it bends light towards the eyes of someone standing on 53 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: the ground or on the coast, changing how a distant 54 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 1: object appears. Superior mirages can produce a few different types 55 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:11,640 Speaker 1: of images. Here a distant ship appears to float high 56 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 1: above its actual position, but sometimes an object below the 57 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: horizon can become visible. And yeah, it is a really 58 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 1: striking image. I will say it has, at least in 59 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 1: this photo, it has greater clarity than most superior mirages. 60 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 1: Usually somehow they look a little bit more I don't know, 61 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 1: faded or ethereal, lending themselves well to spectral interpretations. This 62 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 1: one looks quite straightforward. It just looks like a ship 63 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: in the air. Yeah, and it really Yeah, it's one 64 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: of these where it's not a situation in which you 65 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: would look at this and be like, I guess it 66 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 1: kind of looks like a ship floating above the horizon. 67 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 1: Now it's it's it's it's very confusing to look at 68 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 1: if you don't know what you're seeing here. So yeah, 69 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: great serendipity. We did not know this, this photo would 70 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: be published here, this article would be coming out around 71 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 1: the time of the episode, so so yeah, it was 72 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 1: a nice surprise. Thanks for everybody who send it our way. Yeah. Absolutely, 73 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 1: I'm not sure I would have necessarily caught it otherwise. Um, 74 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 1: let's see what else do we have, And we have 75 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 1: more listener mail regarding the photomorgana. Uh. This one comes 76 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:18,599 Speaker 1: to us from Chris, Hi, Robert and Joe. Just finished 77 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: listening to your excellent episode on Potomorgana. And I was 78 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 1: not familiar with this term, but I did know what 79 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 1: a mirage was and have been lucky enough to see 80 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:29,479 Speaker 1: a few during travels in the Southwest United States. The 81 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 1: example that I am sharing is from the area of 82 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 1: country that I live in. This was an excellent story 83 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:38,919 Speaker 1: at quite a breathtaking photo of Chicago taken from the 84 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:41,479 Speaker 1: shores of Michigan. Here is a link to the news 85 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 1: story about it, and I checked this out. Chris attaches 86 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 1: a link to an article by Tom Coombs explaining the 87 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 1: mirage or case of looming. I'm not sure quite which 88 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:53,919 Speaker 1: one it is. It's one or the other that is 89 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: apparently explaining this photograph of the skyline of Chicago that 90 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 1: could be seen from the opposite shore of the Great Lake. 91 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 1: And yeah, if you look at it, it is it 92 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: is quite a beautiful picture. It's got some eighties mall colors, 93 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 1: kind of Miami vice and the pink and blue hues, 94 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: but it is quite beautiful. Yeah. It looks like he 95 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,279 Speaker 1: could be a you know, cover image for a vapor 96 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 1: wave album for sure. That's what I was thinking. Yes, um, yeah, 97 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 1: And it has the appearance of like a city in 98 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:26,839 Speaker 1: the clouds, or or a city so just so towering 99 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:29,600 Speaker 1: that it's somehow visible above the horizon. It's it's interesting 100 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 1: anyway that the listening mail continues as the article states, 101 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:35,919 Speaker 1: it's impossible to see Chicago from that far away, some 102 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:40,039 Speaker 1: fifty seven miles, but with a mirage it looks significantly closer. 103 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:42,840 Speaker 1: Oh and with that being said, it could be very 104 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: easy to see how travelers through the ages have imagined 105 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 1: things being much closer than the actually word due to 106 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 1: this phenomenon. Keep up the great work, and as always, 107 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 1: thanks for continuing to blow our minds. Chris. Yeah, thanks Chris. 108 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: So Yes. I was reading this article and it seems 109 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 1: to me that basically, depending on the elevation at which 110 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:06,679 Speaker 1: you're standing, it maybe sometimes should be possible to see 111 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: the tops of the very tallest buildings in the Chicago 112 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 1: skyline from across the lake, just given the normal geometry 113 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:16,599 Speaker 1: the curvature of the earth. But you definitely shouldn't be 114 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: able to see down to where it looks like you 115 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:20,839 Speaker 1: can see in this photo, which is it looks like 116 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: you can see the city all the way down to 117 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 1: the ground level, not just like the peak of the 118 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: Sears Tower and the other tallest buildings. Um. And so, 119 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:30,160 Speaker 1: one of the funny things I was reading in this 120 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:34,839 Speaker 1: article is that apparently, according to this guy Tom Coombs, uh, 121 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:38,480 Speaker 1: some flat earth people were using the photo as evidence 122 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 1: that well, look, the Chicago skyline is visible on the 123 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 1: opposite side of the lake in this photo, proof that 124 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 1: the Earth is actually flat. And that just made me think, 125 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 1: if people are actually saying that, what do they think 126 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 1: about like the millions of other photos where you can't 127 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 1: see it, Like, what's going on there? I think you're 128 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: you're already putting way too much thought, more thought than 129 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,720 Speaker 1: they put into um saying ah, here it is proof 130 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: of of the Earth's flatness. Uh so very weirdly. This 131 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: next message also will touch on something that's sort of 132 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 1: peripheral to, uh to some of the bizarre flat Earth beliefs. Rob, 133 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 1: do you ever come across this claim? Apparently some flat earthers, 134 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: you know, you ask the question, well, okay, what happens 135 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 1: if you get to the edge of the disc? They 136 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: believe the Earth is some kind of flat disc, or 137 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: at least claim to believe that. It's hard to tell 138 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: with a lot of them, like whether they genuinely believe 139 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 1: this or whether they're just sort of like saying it 140 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: for fun. Um, Yes, yes, I know where you're going. 141 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: This is the idea that at the edge of the 142 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 1: disc you will encounter vast ice walls that keep you 143 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: from falling off the Earth, and I guess maybe they 144 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 1: keep the oceans from flowing off and landing on the turtle. 145 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 1: I guess so. Um yeah, So the ice walls are 146 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 1: a common feature of the flat earth mythology, so just 147 00:07:57,080 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 1: keep that in mind. That will come up again in 148 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: this next message from Dempsey. Oh and this one is 149 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: about both the Fata Morgana episode and the previous episodes 150 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: that we talked about with halos and optical phenomena like 151 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 1: the sun dogs and things like that. So Dempsey says, Hey, guys, 152 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 1: I'm a long time slash first time fan. I'm a 153 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 1: physics grad student at u A. Fairbanks that studies crazy fluids. 154 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 1: In truth, I study the turbulence in Tokomax, a type 155 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 1: of nuclear fusion reactor. Along this path was an incredibly 156 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 1: interesting class on geophysical fluid dynamics or g f D, 157 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:37,199 Speaker 1: the study of planetary scale fluids meaning atmosphere and oceans, 158 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 1: their interactions that occur at given boundaries, and many other 159 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 1: interesting things. In the class, we learned the finest inner 160 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:47,959 Speaker 1: workings of several optical illusions that one could see, especially 161 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 1: ones from the cold. Being a huge fan of sustainable living, 162 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:55,679 Speaker 1: I bike ski or walk to school every day. On 163 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:58,199 Speaker 1: top of finally catching up on all of stuff to 164 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 1: blow your mind and seeing all of the aurora in commute. 165 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:05,680 Speaker 1: This has grown my optical illusion checklist better. Yet, the 166 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 1: sleep deprived ramble of a first year grad student from 167 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 1: science building the cabin has also led to the occasional 168 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: false paranormal sighting. Oh, Dempsey, you know how to grab 169 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 1: our attention? Um, so yeah, so Dempsey goes on. The 170 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: first sighting occurred the winter before taking g f D. 171 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 1: Remember that's geophysical fluid dynamics, and I had absolutely no 172 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:30,439 Speaker 1: idea it was a possibility. Skiing home late one cloudy 173 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 1: night after grading, it was perfectly calm with no wind, 174 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 1: and it was a bitter cold, better than thirty degrees 175 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 1: fahrenheit below. This commute was also along a hiking path 176 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 1: in the woods that allowed for almost no light pollution. 177 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: I stopped in a clearing to catch my breath. When 178 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 1: looking in the distance towards home, four or five beams 179 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:53,959 Speaker 1: of light connecting the forest to the clouds appeared. These 180 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 1: columns of white light were huge, laser like beams that 181 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 1: were stable and did not flicker. Beams were so powerful 182 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 1: and caught me so unaware that it was all I 183 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 1: could do to avoid the fight or flight panic, to 184 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 1: get lost and hide in the forest aliens. Later in GFD, 185 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 1: I learned in that kind of cold, when ice precipitates 186 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 1: from the clouds humidity, it can form a crystal so 187 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 1: small it can't be seen. This crystal based structure is 188 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 1: most likely to form in a flat paper like sheet. 189 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 1: When these sheets of crystal float to the ground like 190 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:31,079 Speaker 1: a falling leaf, they act like either a lens or 191 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 1: a mirror, depending on the way that the light strikes it. Ultimately, 192 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 1: the combination of the street lights that were already on 193 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 1: and the temperature dropping to a given sweet spot for 194 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 1: the humidity and pressure that day led to false UFO 195 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 1: beams that got a rise out of me. Wow, that 196 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 1: that is amazing. I have never heard of that before. 197 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 1: Dempsey goes on the sun dogs are my favorite illusion. 198 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:57,439 Speaker 1: It turns out there essentially a glorified cold weather rainbow. 199 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 1: When white light from the sun like some small round thing, 200 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:04,559 Speaker 1: like a tiny ice crystal, it is deflected along a 201 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: cone from the point to possibly your eye. This is 202 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 1: why rainbows are always the same shape arc I'm a 203 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 1: little confused on this next sentence, I Dempsey says, when 204 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: we see them get brighter, not grow and extend. Not 205 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 1: quite sure about that, but there may be a type 206 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 1: of there. Uh. This is also why the halo around 207 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 1: the moon has a specific fixed angular size. The same 208 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 1: behavior leads to sundogs in the polar regions of the 209 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: world at the polls during the winter when the temperature 210 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 1: is right to make small ray Leigh scatterers. The sun 211 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:38,440 Speaker 1: is low near the horizon. If present when the conditions 212 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 1: are perfect, this can actually result in a ring of 213 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 1: rainbow around the Sun. During these conditions, it is possible 214 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 1: to have as many as four additional suns at the 215 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 1: vertices of pie divided by two pie, three pie divided 216 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 1: by two and two pie surrounding the Sun. As you 217 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 1: guys know, this can also lead to false UFO encounters, 218 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 1: not in my case, though I got the burning bush 219 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:05,559 Speaker 1: experience earlier. This semester. We had a negative ten degree 220 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 1: fahrenheit snow day. On this commute, I admired the beauty 221 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 1: of this impossibly fine stacked dust in the trees. I 222 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 1: had been walking up to a crested ridge to suddenly 223 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 1: see a lone birch in a clearing engulfed in the 224 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:22,559 Speaker 1: brightest red flame I had ever seen. It was only 225 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: after changing my position by several meters that it was 226 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 1: easy to tell that it was only a chance alignment 227 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: with a sun dog in the early morning sun. Unfortunately, 228 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 1: it was too cold and my phone died before I 229 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 1: could get the picture. So here is one from later 230 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 1: on without the snow. That should be a good starting 231 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 1: point for a mental image. And uh and Dempsey attaches 232 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:44,440 Speaker 1: an image of like a thicket of trees with the 233 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:46,680 Speaker 1: sun shining from right behind them. That does make it 234 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:49,319 Speaker 1: kind of look like the trees on fire. Now here, 235 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 1: we're coming back to the ice wall. I think I'm 236 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 1: riding after the morning walk listening to the episode on 237 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 1: Fatim Morgana. I may not have been listening closely enough. 238 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 1: I may have been staring at it too intently. But 239 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 1: did you guys mention the ice wall that sometimes results 240 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 1: from Fairbanks? Looking south, one can see the Alaska slash 241 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: Dnnali range miles away, with many small valleys and ridges 242 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 1: between the Fata Morgana seems to result in a in 243 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 1: a hundreds of foot high ice wall visible hundreds of 244 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:21,320 Speaker 1: miles away. Here's a picture, and then there is a 245 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 1: picture for us to look at that that does look 246 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:26,679 Speaker 1: extremely strange. Yeah, it's it's quite impressive. It does look 247 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 1: like some sort of Titanic ice wall. I don't know 248 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 1: if it has ever had religious significance, but I imagine 249 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 1: it's influenced ideas in literature like Game of Thrones and 250 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:38,959 Speaker 1: in conspiracy theories like the Flat Earth. One last illusion 251 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: to look for occurs when the sun crosses a sharp boundary, 252 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 1: giving the quote green flash from Lots of Lore. I 253 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: don't remember if this came up in Fatim Moor, Ghana, 254 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 1: but it is yeah, related phenomena often observed by sailors. 255 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 1: Dempsey goes on, this is much harder to see because 256 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 1: it is literally a flash of green light that you 257 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:58,959 Speaker 1: can see when staring at the sun at the exact 258 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:02,199 Speaker 1: right moment the sun goes below the ocean pirates of 259 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:04,959 Speaker 1: the Caribbean style or dips behind the peak of a 260 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 1: huge mountain range Alaska style. Hopefully this was interesting or 261 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 1: at least a little bit funny. Always looking forward to 262 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 1: our next walk, Dempsey, Yeah, I love all these of 263 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 1: these images. This was I was hoping, you know, that 264 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 1: people would send in photographs and yeah, that they that 265 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 1: they've provided a number of them here. Yeah, and really 266 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: appreciate the interpretive context as well. I had never heard 267 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 1: of that idea before about um light being reflected against 268 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 1: or through these like sheet like crystal svice. I'm gonna 269 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 1: have to look that up, all right. Here's another one. 270 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 1: This one comes to us from m R and it 271 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: is a response to our Halo episodes. Hi, Joe and Robert. 272 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 1: I was introduced to your podcast by my husband, who 273 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 1: has been listening for many years now. I hope this 274 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 1: doesn't sound too weird, but we listened to the show 275 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 1: every night to fall asleep. I will say that is 276 00:14:57,880 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: not that is not weird. We've been I think we 277 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 1: heard of heard from people like this for for years 278 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: and uh and you know, we're we're happy to help 279 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 1: you drift off into a pleasant slumber. And we do 280 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 1: apologize for the rare occurrences where some sort of loud 281 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 1: noise at the end of the episode disturbs that anyway, 282 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 1: they continue. We're the type of people who like to 283 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 1: have background noise. I'm like that as well. After the 284 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 1: first night that my husband suggested stuff to blow your mind, 285 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 1: it became our permanent routine. Yeah, the quick aside, Joe, 286 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 1: This reminds me when I was when I was a kid, 287 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 1: or maybe in junior high. I remember going to the 288 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 1: bookstore and I was purchasing a Dune book and the 289 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: teller there was very excited and she told me how 290 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 1: she and her husband put David Lynch's Dune on every 291 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: night to go to sleep too. Yeah, so I was. 292 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 1: I remember being really impressed with that. That that because like, wow, 293 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 1: that maybe this that is what adult life is like. 294 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 1: I don't know. You know, there are many things about 295 00:15:57,200 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: that movie that are dream like, beyond their their dream 296 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 1: like in ways that are not suggested by the original book. 297 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: They're they're very particularly Lynch. And one example is the 298 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 1: recurring pug. You know, the pug of House of Tradees. 299 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 1: Do you remember this? I do remember the pug that 300 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 1: is such a David Lynch detailed the book, I'm quite sure, 301 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 1: makes no mention of a pug, and yet in many 302 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 1: scenes in the movie there's just a pug. There's one 303 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 1: scene where I believe Patrick Stewart is leading a bunch 304 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 1: of troops charging into battle against the soldiers of House 305 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 1: Harconin and he's holding the pug in his arms. Well, 306 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 1: you know, it's a regal dog. It's it's it's befitting 307 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: of a noble house. Yeah, but anyway, that is that's 308 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 1: not Mr. Uh, that's not their story. This is a 309 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 1: story from you know, from when I was younger. Anyway, 310 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 1: Mr continues, I've always wanted to write in but I 311 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 1: never had much to contribute until you mentioned synthesia as 312 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 1: a synisthet myself, what I listened to for relaxation depends 313 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: heavily on the colors and textures I gather from people's voices. Luckily, 314 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 1: both of you have very calming colors. Joe's voice is 315 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:06,120 Speaker 1: a dusty, icy purple that moves in symmetrical liquid like waves. 316 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:10,400 Speaker 1: It has a slight, silvery glitter effect as well. Robert's 317 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 1: voice actually has two colors. It's mostly a reddish maroon, 318 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 1: but it's supplemented by an occasional splash of pastel orange. 319 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 1: The texture feels pointed or spiky, but the tips of 320 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 1: these spikes are rounded and smooth, kind of conical. Both 321 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:27,880 Speaker 1: of your voices are very cool toned, which is great 322 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: for relaxation and sleep in my case. Your individual colors 323 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 1: also complement each other quite well, sometimes separate voices speaking 324 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 1: together can have colors that clash, which is not as 325 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 1: conducive for sleep. WHOA though, well, this is the first 326 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 1: time I've ever had somebody described me in terms of synesthesia. 327 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 1: I guess this would not be person color synesthesia. This 328 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 1: would be like auditory, like just the sounds of the voices. Yeah, 329 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:54,439 Speaker 1: but but I like this. I'm already reading more into it, 330 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:57,159 Speaker 1: like you know, like my own relationship with the color orange. 331 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:00,440 Speaker 1: And so for anyway, they continue. But where I met 332 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 1: my husband, I watched videos that triggered a s MR 333 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 1: tinkling sensation in order to fall asleep. I think a 334 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 1: s MR could be an interesting topic for a future episode. 335 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 1: Thanks for being a part of my nightly routine. MR. Well, 336 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 1: thank you, m R. I will say, I do not 337 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:17,160 Speaker 1: think we have ever gotten a message like this before. Yeah, 338 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:19,680 Speaker 1: I know this is insightful. I mean, like like we've 339 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 1: said with with synesesia, it's it's it's not universally insightful, 340 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:27,359 Speaker 1: like the pastel orange is not universally my color for everyone. 341 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:30,399 Speaker 1: But it's interesting that that's how it is received with 342 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:32,879 Speaker 1: one individual. But can you tell me the colors of 343 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:35,640 Speaker 1: the pug It's white and brown or it's black. That's 344 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:37,120 Speaker 1: those are my guests. I think those are the two 345 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 1: colors they come in, right, Yeah, I guess so in 346 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:42,359 Speaker 1: my experience. Anyway, maybe there are other colors of the 347 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 1: of the pug. I can't remember the color of the 348 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:47,640 Speaker 1: pug of House of Tradees. I think it's maybe sort 349 00:18:47,680 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 1: of sort of a beige dog. Yeah, all right, here's 350 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 1: another one. This one comes to us from Anna. Hello, 351 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 1: Robert and Joe. I've just listened to your second episode 352 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 1: on Halos and you asked for any examples of halos 353 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 1: and horror sci fi movies. Well, I just happened to 354 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 1: watch an episode of Doctor Who called Voyage of the Damned. 355 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 1: This is a long episode and features robot angels called 356 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:21,200 Speaker 1: the Host. At the start, uh, they are merely robots 357 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 1: to give out information, but then there is a point 358 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 1: where they turn evil. They take off their halos above 359 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 1: their head and use them as deadly weapons to throw 360 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:31,399 Speaker 1: at people. This is definitely worth a watch. It was 361 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 1: on recently here in Australia a repeat. I only meant 362 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 1: to watch a little bit of it, but David Tennant 363 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:38,959 Speaker 1: is so charming I watched the whole thing. It has 364 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 1: a lot of lovely elements to it. There's a scene 365 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:43,200 Speaker 1: at a cocktail party where Doctor Who is a bit 366 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:46,119 Speaker 1: like James Bond chatting up a pretty girl, except that 367 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 1: he is interested in her as a person and she 368 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:53,920 Speaker 1: just happens to be Uh, who's this Kylie Minogue? Kylie Minogue? Well? 369 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 1: Where should I know? Kylie Minogue from Kylie Minogue is 370 00:19:56,840 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 1: as a musician? Oh, just helped us out. I was 371 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 1: thinking of the music video of hers, directed by Michelle 372 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:08,399 Speaker 1: Gondry's which is an interesting video. And but also I 373 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:12,199 Speaker 1: just looked her up and apparently she portrayed Cammy in 374 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: The Street Fighter movie. That should make it worthwhile for you. Right, well, yeah, 375 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:21,119 Speaker 1: we're talking about the one um the street Fighter movie, right, 376 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:25,679 Speaker 1: the one yes with all Julia Yes, yeah, yeah, okay, 377 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:28,879 Speaker 1: all right, excellent. I mean, just more more reason for 378 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:32,360 Speaker 1: us to uh to to to rewatch that film. Yeah. 379 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:35,399 Speaker 1: But so apparently she's in a she's in a Doctor 380 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:39,199 Speaker 1: Who episode. I did not know that. Okay, anyway, they 381 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:43,119 Speaker 1: continue Also it has alien culture trying to explain Christmas. Uh. 382 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 1: They so so called expert on Earth cultures says things like, uh, 383 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:50,919 Speaker 1: like there is a figure called Santa who has clause 384 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 1: and will punish you if you are bad and it Christmas. 385 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 1: Humans will eat people from Turkey. Anyway, keep up the 386 00:20:57,480 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: excellent work, Anna. So, I guess it's kind of like 387 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 1: that that exercise we often talk about, like how would 388 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 1: aliens try to describe or understand human culture? So it 389 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:10,440 Speaker 1: sounds like there was an exercise in in that. I'm 390 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:14,440 Speaker 1: very tickled by the idea of James Bond, except he's 391 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 1: interested in her as a person. Yeah, yeah, Bond. Bond 392 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 1: generally comes off as something of a creep, doesn't he hum? 393 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 1: But he's our creep, is he? I think he's British. 394 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 1: Oh that's true. Well he's he's on our side of something. 395 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 1: He's against the people who want to kill the whole world. Yeah, 396 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 1: well that's true. Yeah, he ultimately does good work. All right, 397 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 1: you ready to talk some weird house, let's do it. Okay? 398 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 1: This first message, actually, we're gonna look at a couple 399 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:55,679 Speaker 1: of messages about Split Second, and both of them have 400 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 1: to do with the question we brought up in Split Second, 401 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 1: the question of why is it that that the tough 402 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 1: guys in the movie you want to make somebody look 403 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 1: like a really bad to the bone dude, you give 404 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 1: them a long coat? Where does that come from? So here? Uh? 405 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,919 Speaker 1: Thomas gets in touch with us about split Second to say, Hi, 406 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 1: Robin Joe, I really enjoy your podcast. The broad coverage 407 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 1: both between and within the episodes makes it really enjoyable. 408 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 1: In your Weird House Cinema episode about Split Second, you 409 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:27,920 Speaker 1: wonder about the origin of the long code in movies. 410 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 1: That got me thinking about when it is used. It's 411 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: usually by a lone ranger type of hero or by 412 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 1: outlaw types of villains, often combined with motorcycles, a modern 413 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:42,879 Speaker 1: take on the wild West aesthetics Western movies seem to 414 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 1: me to be the origin of the coats. But are 415 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 1: they a modern idea or were they used by real cowboys? 416 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 1: I turned to the Internet for an answer and quickly 417 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 1: found the duster, a long travel coat worn by cowboys 418 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,879 Speaker 1: in order to protect their clothes from rain and trail dust. 419 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,200 Speaker 1: This is only me speculating, but these long coats and 420 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,639 Speaker 1: the way they flowed in the wind were probably found 421 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 1: to work really well on the silver screen and made 422 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,200 Speaker 1: a part of the dress code for the cinematic wild West, 423 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:13,440 Speaker 1: while also being somewhat historically correct, earning itself a permanent 424 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:17,719 Speaker 1: place in the cinematic wardrobe kind regards to Moss, and 425 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:19,920 Speaker 1: I will say, yeah, I think there is probably something 426 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 1: to that. There could be other traditions feeding into it 427 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 1: as well, but it does seem to me that a 428 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,959 Speaker 1: lot of the aesthetic elements of what makes a like 429 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 1: a tough guy or you know, bad to the bone 430 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,919 Speaker 1: dude in modern cinema are very much derived from the 431 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 1: genre conventions that you first see that you first seeing westerns, 432 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 1: like bikers being sort of reimagined cowboys and so forth. 433 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, absolutely. Um, It's one of those things where 434 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 1: when we we kind of stumbled onto the question in 435 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 1: the episode, we didn't really have an answer. But now 436 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:49,680 Speaker 1: that I'm reminded of Westerns, like, I feel like this 437 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,359 Speaker 1: has to be the has to be the answer, or 438 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 1: at least a primary part of the answer, because I'm 439 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:58,159 Speaker 1: also reminded of just how just how many cowboy films 440 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 1: they were, and how much of of like the cinematic 441 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: and TV output for a while was just Westerns. And 442 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: you you you hear various filmmakers that we think of 443 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 1: for their like sci fi, uh and and or fantasy, 444 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 1: but ginerally like sci fi and horror output. And a 445 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:20,120 Speaker 1: lot of those those directors they grew up watching these westerns, 446 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 1: and they're very they're very open about the influence of 447 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 1: Westerns on their own films. Like John Carpenter is someone 448 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,119 Speaker 1: who's who has touched on this before, you know, especially 449 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 1: I think even talking about his early films as essentially 450 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,200 Speaker 1: being uh, you know, remakes of westerns. You know, they're 451 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,959 Speaker 1: basically westerns, but they they've taken on this this this 452 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:40,639 Speaker 1: altered style. I mean, you can also apply that to 453 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 1: Star Wars and you know, so many things that we 454 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,880 Speaker 1: you know, we don't think of as being really connected 455 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:50,440 Speaker 1: to cowboys, but but the cowboy DNA is there. Yeah. 456 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,200 Speaker 1: I think in a lot of ways, Han Solo is 457 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,440 Speaker 1: probably sort of the Man with No Name, except made 458 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 1: a little bit like funnier and more approachable. Uh And 459 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 1: and you can even see it in some that are 460 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 1: just direct adaptations, like what is it? Was it that 461 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 1: Sean Connery movie Outland that's just high noon in space? 462 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,400 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and it works like but but a big 463 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,639 Speaker 1: part of it was like this was this was everybody's 464 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,679 Speaker 1: diet beforehand, and then you know, you're living increasingly in 465 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 1: the space age, and people weren't influenced by all this 466 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,440 Speaker 1: sci fi literature as well. And yeah, so your westerns 467 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,200 Speaker 1: stay structurally more or less the same, but they take 468 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,920 Speaker 1: on this this new vibe. Yeah, and I think especially 469 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 1: especially in the way that traditional ideas about like toughness 470 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:37,239 Speaker 1: and masculinity are reproduced across film in the era, So 471 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 1: like it's often going to be like a like a tough, 472 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,920 Speaker 1: cool male character. They're trying to like show him as 473 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,119 Speaker 1: a bad dude, And so they're trying to make you 474 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:46,880 Speaker 1: think back to things that are in your head from 475 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 1: the Western movies of old, and that long coat is 476 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,639 Speaker 1: going to be one of them. Yeah. But then again, 477 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 1: on the you know, it goes without saying, you also 478 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 1: have an awful gangster movies and stuff. So you know, 479 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 1: Dick Tracy wore a long coat bright yellow, but a 480 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 1: long coat nonetheless, and the Shadow wore a long coat, 481 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,439 Speaker 1: so uh yeah, there's there's probably a bit of that 482 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 1: in there as well. So you have the cowboy DNA, 483 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 1: you have the noir DNA, and it all kind of 484 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,359 Speaker 1: feeds into your new visions of science fiction. So the 485 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,880 Speaker 1: cowboy wears the long coat to keep the dust off. 486 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 1: The noir hero wears the long coat what. I guess 487 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,399 Speaker 1: to keep the rain out right because they lived in 488 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:26,159 Speaker 1: some kind of like rainy nasty or maybe I don't know, 489 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 1: maybe just because it's the style of the era. Yeah, 490 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 1: all right, here's another one. This one comes to from Jerry, 491 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,119 Speaker 1: Joe and Robert. I just finished your episode on Split Second. 492 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 1: In that episode, you had a question about when the 493 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:43,639 Speaker 1: long coat, like the one Neo Warre and Matrix, became 494 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,919 Speaker 1: a thing. While it was certainly something that was already 495 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 1: popular as part of the sci fi aesthetic by the 496 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 1: end of the eighties, compare with the protagonist of Albert 497 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 1: Puns Nemesis, which came out the same year. A Split 498 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,200 Speaker 1: Second would love an episode on this great slash awful film. 499 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 1: I susp act its origin as a badass protact protagonist 500 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,160 Speaker 1: fashion comes from eastwoods Man with no name character. There's 501 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:10,159 Speaker 1: a great scene in the film Wrestler's Rhapsody that pokes 502 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 1: fun at this, and they include a link. I clicked 503 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 1: on this and this is funny. It's got a This 504 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,920 Speaker 1: appears to be some kind of Western parody movie. I've 505 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 1: never seen it before, but the clip is funny because 506 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 1: it takes place on a train and it's this one 507 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,640 Speaker 1: train car where these two rich you know, ranch owners 508 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 1: are debating. They've got some kind of rivalry, and each 509 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 1: one just has this army of looming cowboy dude standing 510 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 1: behind them. And on one side they're all wearing chaps, 511 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:40,359 Speaker 1: and on the other side they're all wearing dusters. Andy 512 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,399 Speaker 1: Griffith's in this. It looks like, yeah, he's one of 513 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,399 Speaker 1: the he's one of the like rancher dudes. Okay, well, 514 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,359 Speaker 1: I don't think I was familiar with this film. It 515 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 1: looks funny. Now. Nemesis, which they mentioned, Uh here that 516 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 1: is that is already on my my list. I haven't 517 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,880 Speaker 1: watched it yet, but I remember seeing the box art 518 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 1: when I was younger, and it's now that i've I've 519 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,359 Speaker 1: spotted an Amazon Prime It's it's on my list of 520 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 1: things to watch. At some point. I hear great things 521 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,359 Speaker 1: about it, like it's supposed to be ultimately a lower 522 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 1: budget film that has some some some definite sci fi aspirations. Uh, 523 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 1: it's supposed to be supposed to be worth watching, so 524 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,680 Speaker 1: I'm excited for it. Oh. Albert Paiune has made a 525 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:23,360 Speaker 1: number of quite funny B movies that I've really enjoyed. 526 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 1: He made the Captain America, not the not the like 527 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,680 Speaker 1: new you know, high budget Marvel one like the well 528 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,639 Speaker 1: I guess it was always Marvel maybe, but the Captain 529 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 1: America that came out in the year nineteen. Oh. Yes, 530 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 1: this was the one with Ronnie Cox Allinger kid in 531 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:43,240 Speaker 1: it and Ronnie Cox yeah, and Ned Beatty. This movie 532 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 1: is I remember there's one part in it. Maybe maybe 533 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 1: I'm remembering this wrong, but the part that stands out 534 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 1: in my head is that Captain America has been frozen 535 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 1: in ice, I think, for for many decades and wakes 536 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 1: up in the nineties and as soon as he wakes up, 537 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 1: just like the bad guys, wounds are there with motorcycles 538 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 1: like to ambush him and I don't know what they're 539 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 1: just immediately there. But as possible, my memory is not 540 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 1: being fair to it. But I recall this one being 541 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 1: uh bad but enjoyable. And he also made Cyborg, which 542 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 1: is another cloud Van Damn movie, uh that I that 543 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 1: I recall fondly watching with my dad, and there's like 544 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 1: a great there's a great villain character in it who 545 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 1: is called a pirate, but he doesn't have a ship. 546 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:32,480 Speaker 1: They're just like land pirates. Yeah, I'm glancing. It is 547 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 1: his full filmography here, and yeah, there's a lot of 548 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,719 Speaker 1: stuff in here that looks it looks really cool if 549 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,680 Speaker 1: I recall correctly. The plot of Cyborg is that there 550 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 1: is a cyborg who must get to the c d 551 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 1: C command center in Atlanta because this because she has 552 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:52,720 Speaker 1: in her robot brain a cure for the disease that 553 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 1: has ravaged Earth, and they can come up with a 554 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,720 Speaker 1: vaccine for it, I guess. And the pirates stop her 555 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 1: along the way and she said, as I can cure 556 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,280 Speaker 1: all this death and disease, and the lead pirates says, 557 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 1: but I like the Death and Disease. Yeah, yeah, I 558 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:10,720 Speaker 1: don't think I've ever watched it in its entirety, but 559 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 1: I've been familiar with it by reputation for a while. 560 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 1: But the whole thing with the CDC, that's essentially the 561 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,719 Speaker 1: same thing they did in um, The Walking Dead. Right, Well, 562 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 1: I don't know. I I never made it past the 563 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,720 Speaker 1: second episode of The Walking Dead. People say it's good. 564 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 1: I mean, someday, maybe I'll get there. I remember thinking 565 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 1: I really liked the first episode. I really hated the 566 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:32,960 Speaker 1: second episode, and then I never saw anymore. Yeah, I 567 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 1: don't think any of Cyborg was filmed in Georgia, but 568 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 1: glancing at the filming locations, they weirdly enough, seems like 569 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 1: they filmed it in North Carolina and Arizona. So yeah, 570 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 1: with a little bit of California thrown in there for 571 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 1: good measure. Wikipedia tells me that Cyborg is the first 572 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 1: in Paiune's Cyborg trilogy. Oh yeah, so there's Cyborg two 573 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,680 Speaker 1: and Cyborg three. I'm getting there. Yeah, there's gonna be 574 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 1: so much more because they're Cyborgs in Nemesis as well. Right, 575 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 1: that's that's my understand Probably I'm not familiar with Nemesis. Actually, yeah, 576 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 1: Nemesis is supposed to be like a like a a 577 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:10,000 Speaker 1: cyberpunk adventure with you know, killer cyborgs and so forth, 578 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,400 Speaker 1: big guns, that sort of thing. Oh wow, it's got 579 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 1: Brian James, it's got uh carry here are Yuki Tagawa. 580 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,240 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, it's good. That's got a good cast, Thomas Jane. 581 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 1: So okay, I'll watch it. I'm on. I'm on the 582 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 1: hook for Nemesis now. All right, Well, I guess that's 583 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,000 Speaker 1: about it. That's all we have time for. You know, 584 00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 1: we received a lot of other listener mails related to 585 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 1: these topics. 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