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Speaker 1: This is an iHeart podcast guaranteed Human.

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Speaker 2: Music Saved Me.

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Speaker 1: I mean, music has been the biggest therapy to me

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Speaker 1: in my life, which is why again this has been

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Speaker 1: such a major thing for me, just because it's so

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Speaker 1: important for people to recognize that maybe yes, music, but

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Speaker 1: passion in general, anything that inspires you to feel something,

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Speaker 1: I think just helps helps the healing process.

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Speaker 2: I'm Lynn Hoffman and welcome to another edition of the

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Speaker 2: Music Saved Me Podcast, the podcast that explores the healing

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Speaker 2: power of music. On this episode, our guest is Jenna

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Speaker 2: Lauren Andrews. Jenna is a singer, songwriter and highly sought

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Speaker 2: after record producer with a hugely successful career ranging from

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Speaker 2: her own hit single Tumblin Down, which was featured on

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Speaker 2: the television show Grey's Anatomy, to the hit BTS song

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Speaker 2: Butter and Dynamite. As a rare female producer, Jenna is

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Speaker 2: not only the woman behind the hits, also an advocate

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Speaker 2: for mental health awareness and has developed a new show

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Speaker 2: called The Green Room, a digital TV series about mental

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Speaker 2: health awareness in the music industry. Jenna, Welcome to Music

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Speaker 2: Saved Me.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 2: Can you tell us a little bit about the Green room,

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Speaker 2: and more importantly, what motivated you with all the things

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Speaker 2: that you do in your career to create this particular show.

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Speaker 1: I've always found that songwriting is a very like therapeutic process,

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Speaker 1: and it's always helped me write the best song. So

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Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, in getting to know people

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Speaker 1: obviously in the writing room and stuff, it really helps

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Speaker 1: to just sort of break the ice by feeling vulnerable.

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Speaker 1: And sometimes that's really hard to do. And I think,

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Speaker 1: especially as an artist in the beginning of my career,

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Speaker 1: you know, you learn the you know, the hard way,

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Speaker 1: but also it ends up being positive, you know, because

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Speaker 1: it's it's sort of i don't know, like soul affirming.

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Speaker 1: You know, it just makes you feel better to know

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Speaker 1: that you have a support system within the creative community.

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Speaker 1: And I just I felt like it was a necessary

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Speaker 1: force just because you know, like I've met some of

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Speaker 1: my favorite people that way. But beyond that, I think

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Speaker 1: just for people looking in, like the fans and people

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Speaker 1: like obviously watching in these people that they you know,

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Speaker 1: admire and and have you know, feel like, you know,

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Speaker 1: maybe their lives are unattainable. I think it's nice to

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Speaker 1: know that we're all sort of human at the end of.

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Speaker 2: The day, You've had some great guests on to share

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Speaker 2: their stories. Can you can you share with our audience

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Speaker 2: some of the people that have been on who have

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Speaker 2: revealed their own struggles.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I've Pegan and Sarah, who are actually

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Speaker 1: from Calgary, where I'm from as well, So that was

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Speaker 1: really cool. Lenin Stella, who's an artist that I developed

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Speaker 1: and signed and worked with for many years. And I'm

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Speaker 1: trying to think, like so many other artists called Upsall, Parson,

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Speaker 1: James Jojo, I just had Mickey, Geiton, Eixy Damelia, So yeah,

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Speaker 1: so that's the name a few.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's just an amazing thing that you're doing because

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Speaker 2: you're you're taking these people who otherwise are basically inaccessible

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Speaker 2: you're and you're letting them tell their story in a

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Speaker 2: in a great environment for other people to learn from

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Speaker 2: from them, which is always such a huge thing. How

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Speaker 2: have you pushed yourself and others to be so open

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Speaker 2: and transparent about those challenges because it's not easy to

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Speaker 1: No, that's actually a really good question, and honestly, that's

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Speaker 1: going back to what I was saying before, I really

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Speaker 1: do think that that's one of the main reasons I

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Speaker 1: that it's it's in some of the episodes we've done,

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Speaker 1: it made them feel better about themselves, which was a

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Speaker 2: Do you feel that music has healing powers? Oh?

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Speaker 1: Big time. I mean I've always said that and I

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Speaker 2: You know, writers, or performed you know, whatever part of

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Speaker 1: In the entertainment business, Like does anxiety come from that? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Can sure, and you're doing a great job. I also

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Speaker 2: noticed that you do have professionals in the therapy world

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Speaker 2: topics that maybe you know, people watching or even yourself

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Speaker 1: Well, that's exactly the point. I mean, even talking to

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Speaker 2: No, I get it. That's it's it's a large topic.

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Speaker 2: When your music personally or the green room, your show

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's the best feeling in the world. I mean,

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Speaker 2: You have it all in the industry. I mean, you're

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Speaker 1: I think it was just a void that I've felt

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Speaker 1: And I think that rather than feel you know, ashamed,

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Speaker 1: think it still exists that people feel ashamed of those things,

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Speaker 1: and it genuinely is a real sickness, you know. And

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Speaker 2: Why you're so humble. How much do you feel? Really seriously?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I know that it helps you what you're doing,

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Speaker 2: but it also helps so many people just talking about things.

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Speaker 2: When people realize they have a connection or a commonality

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Speaker 1: I appreciate that, and I honestly that means the world

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Speaker 1: I have my music careers. Everything's baby steps, right, so

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Speaker 2: I'm just trying to say, yeah, what music connects with

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Speaker 2: you're struggling with something, Well, that's a good question.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I will really pull it back

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Speaker 1: So a lot of your outlet is in your music.

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Speaker 2: To be honest, would you say that creating and hosting

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Speaker 1: Like, That's what I tell a lot of people that

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Speaker 1: I think it's something that again I didn't really speak

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Speaker 2: Mentors are huge, They're everything. Uh, you only think if

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Speaker 2: you if you have more than one, you are so blessed.

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Speaker 2: And I know I've had a few of them in

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Speaker 2: So speaking of that, where can people find your show

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Speaker 2: to watch? The green Room?

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Speaker 1: So basically it's it's course all it's all the same

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Speaker 1: across all socials. It's really just the green Room talks

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Speaker 2: So excellent, Jenna, Thank you so much much for being

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Speaker 2: on Music Saved Me, and thank you for the work

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Speaker 2: you and your team continue to do in bringing mental

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Speaker 2: health out of the darkness. And we wish you nothing

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Speaker 2: but huge success moving forward in your life with everything

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Speaker 2: that you do.

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Speaker 1: Oh, thank you so much. I really appreciate the time,

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Speaker 1: and again this means a lot to me, so I

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Speaker 1: appreciate the conversation. This is an iHeart podcast, guaranteed human