WEBVTT - Josh Marshall & Robin Marty 0:00:00.680 --> 0:00:04.200 Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 0:00:04.440 --> 0:00:07.200 where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 0:00:07.200 --> 0:00:12.640 today's best minds, and Trump was asked about raising his kids. 0:00:12.680 --> 0:00:14.880 He went on an eight minute rant calling for the 0:00:14.920 --> 0:00:18.160 death penalty, and actually I listened to that rant and 0:00:18.200 --> 0:00:21.599 it was wild. We have such a great show for you. 0:00:22.000 --> 0:00:28.480 TPMs Josh Marshall joins us to talk about the state 0:00:28.640 --> 0:00:31.960 of the race. Then we'll talk to the executive director 0:00:32.080 --> 0:00:36.879 of the West Alabama Women's Center, Robin Marty, about the 0:00:36.920 --> 0:00:39.520 horror she's seeing in post rural America. 0:00:39.840 --> 0:00:42.720 So, Molly, you and I have been pretty obsessed with 0:00:42.920 --> 0:00:45.600 the state of Florida not being able to be insured 0:00:45.640 --> 0:00:49.519 by many insurance companies. And after these foods this article 0:00:49.560 --> 0:00:51.879 today in The Times, it sent me what did you 0:00:51.880 --> 0:00:52.320 see here? 0:00:52.680 --> 0:00:56.560 So I just one of the big problems in Florida 0:00:56.920 --> 0:00:59.960 is inflation. And inflation in Florida is much higher than 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:03.120 in other places. And part of that is because insurance. 0:01:03.240 --> 0:01:07.200 Housing insurance in Florida is insane, and that's because of 0:01:07.240 --> 0:01:10.440 climate change. Right, It's more and more expensive to ensure 0:01:10.520 --> 0:01:14.600 waterfront property or even property that's just in low lying 0:01:14.680 --> 0:01:18.440 areas because of flooding, and in North Carolina this has 0:01:18.520 --> 0:01:22.200 become such a big deal that a proposed forty two 0:01:22.319 --> 0:01:26.520 percent rate hike and then they just had another hurricane, 0:01:26.640 --> 0:01:29.840 Hurricane Helene, which was like this hurricane where you know, 0:01:29.920 --> 0:01:33.959 more than two hundred people died, major, major flooding, people 0:01:34.319 --> 0:01:38.880 you know, cut off from food and water and internet 0:01:38.920 --> 0:01:42.399 and power. What insurance is like the first canary in 0:01:42.480 --> 0:01:45.440 the coal mine when it comes to climate change, and 0:01:45.680 --> 0:01:48.720 we're seeing this firsthand. And now the question is will 0:01:48.800 --> 0:01:52.760 people vote on the fact that some of the inflation 0:01:52.880 --> 0:01:55.640 is actually caused by climate change? And the answers we 0:01:55.680 --> 0:01:58.720 don't know, but it certainly is an issue, and especially 0:01:58.720 --> 0:02:01.200 in North Carolina, which is a very tight state where 0:02:01.200 --> 0:02:05.800 it's possible that Vice President Harris could actually win that state. 0:02:06.280 --> 0:02:08.639 Jesse Cannon, I saw a movie this week. 0:02:08.960 --> 0:02:11.359 Let me guess it was Beetlejuice. 0:02:11.760 --> 0:02:14.359 Yes, it was Beetlejuice. That's a deep cut and a 0:02:15.080 --> 0:02:16.840 callback to Lauren Boeberg. 0:02:16.960 --> 0:02:19.360 That's not sure there's a new Beetlejuice in theaters. Lauren 0:02:19.400 --> 0:02:21.280 and I saw it the other night and it was great. 0:02:21.680 --> 0:02:23.040 Oh that is something. 0:02:23.360 --> 0:02:25.360 But what I think you went and saw is a 0:02:25.400 --> 0:02:27.560 movie that a lot of people are kind of pissed 0:02:27.600 --> 0:02:29.239 about because they thought that this was going to be 0:02:29.320 --> 0:02:32.520 like a big activism movie that changed the voting base, 0:02:32.639 --> 0:02:35.440 like it did when Michael Moore would put out movies 0:02:35.480 --> 0:02:37.160 before elections. Would you see here? 0:02:37.400 --> 0:02:39.359 I don't know that that's actually true. 0:02:39.560 --> 0:02:41.120 That's what my Twitter feed is saying. 0:02:41.280 --> 0:02:45.960 Oh okay, well, then that's even more likely to be untrue. 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:50.600 But The Apprentice is a movie about early Donald Trump 0:02:50.720 --> 0:02:55.400 and Roy Cone, and it's quite actually very interesting. It 0:02:55.440 --> 0:02:59.079 has a lot of very controversial stuff in it, including 0:02:59.120 --> 0:03:03.040 a rape sea in that again has been in books 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:05.840 about Trump. Again, I don't know. I thought it was 0:03:05.919 --> 0:03:09.639 quite good and pretty interesting. It's going to open this 0:03:09.760 --> 0:03:14.840 week in seventeen hundred and forty theaters nationwide, so there's 0:03:14.840 --> 0:03:17.320 a real opportunity to see it if you want. It 0:03:17.360 --> 0:03:20.840 does not yet have a streaming service attached to it, 0:03:20.919 --> 0:03:24.440 but hopefully it will. Pretty interesting movie. I'm not sure 0:03:24.600 --> 0:03:27.519 that it does anything for the selection, but it's still 0:03:27.919 --> 0:03:32.320 worth seeing Trump's origin story played out on the big screen. 0:03:32.960 --> 0:03:36.520 Interesting stuff. When it comes to weather, huh. 0:03:36.360 --> 0:03:38.880 Really, there was a weather event here, a thing that 0:03:38.960 --> 0:03:42.400 really seemed to scare everybody. This week. Aside from the 0:03:42.480 --> 0:03:46.200 impact of the storm, was just how crazy the reactions 0:03:46.200 --> 0:03:48.880 to Democrats could draw the weather and other things were. 0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:51.880 But there were some interesting details with this hurricane, Milton, 0:03:51.880 --> 0:03:52.600 what did you see? 0:03:52.800 --> 0:03:56.560 Okay, so Republicans doubled down, or at least Marjorie Taylor 0:03:56.600 --> 0:04:00.800 Green did on the idea that they quote unquote likely 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:04.760 was Jews. Though then some of Maga world said that 0:04:05.200 --> 0:04:08.560 actually the government is doing cloud seating. Now, I just 0:04:08.560 --> 0:04:10.840 want to pause for a second to talk about cloud seating. 0:04:11.400 --> 0:04:15.080 That is something that exists, and it's in the very 0:04:15.320 --> 0:04:19.960 very early stages. Nobody is moving hurricanes around with it. 0:04:20.200 --> 0:04:22.880 They are able to do some very minor stuff. I 0:04:22.920 --> 0:04:26.000 don't think it's anywhere near where it would need to 0:04:26.040 --> 0:04:29.719 be to be an active government controlling the weather. But 0:04:29.760 --> 0:04:32.800 there is a little bit of a like with so 0:04:32.920 --> 0:04:36.960 many conspiracies, a little bit of a gem of information 0:04:37.120 --> 0:04:39.640 here that is real and then a lot of bullshit. 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:43.880 So Jews are not controlling hurricanes and Democrats are not 0:04:43.880 --> 0:04:47.159 controlling hurricanes. And by the way, hurricanes have always hit 0:04:47.279 --> 0:04:51.280 in places like Florida and North Carolina. I mean that 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:54.800 is you know, that's where they hit. It's very unusual 0:04:54.839 --> 0:04:57.400 for them to hit places that are not where you know, 0:04:57.440 --> 0:05:00.000 where the water is warm enough to start a hurricane, 0:05:00.360 --> 0:05:03.599 and then for it to continue on and tends to 0:05:03.640 --> 0:05:06.640 be on the coastline. So this is pretty crazy. There 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:10.440 are definitely Trump supporters who believe this, which is wild. 0:05:10.760 --> 0:05:13.320 And I would say there was also really some interesting 0:05:13.360 --> 0:05:17.880 stuff that there was a sort of reverse storm surge 0:05:17.920 --> 0:05:20.920 and the water was sucked out of Tampa Bay by 0:05:21.000 --> 0:05:24.200 Hurricane Milton. But in the end, the good news is 0:05:24.240 --> 0:05:27.760 that while there was damage, it wasn't nearly as bad 0:05:27.960 --> 0:05:30.440 as a lot of people thought it was. And while 0:05:30.480 --> 0:05:33.040 they got the path right and ended up being just 0:05:33.560 --> 0:05:36.840 a category three and not a category five. And while 0:05:36.880 --> 0:05:39.680 the storm storm surge was bad, it was not as 0:05:39.800 --> 0:05:43.599 bad as people had forecasted. So that's quite good news. 0:05:43.640 --> 0:05:46.360 And a lot of people have you know, a lot 0:05:46.360 --> 0:05:49.240 of people don't have power, but they're getting their lives 0:05:49.279 --> 0:05:51.800 back to back on track, so that's great news. I 0:05:51.839 --> 0:05:56.880 want you to talk to us Jesse Cannon about Trump 0:05:57.160 --> 0:05:58.640 versus cities. 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:04.520 Well, previously he had said that San Francisco was great 0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:06.520 in a certain era. It happened to be with Gavin 0:06:06.600 --> 0:06:10.039 Dus some of his least favorite governor and Kamala Harris 0:06:10.080 --> 0:06:14.120 were both in charge of San Francisco, so that was funny. 0:06:14.120 --> 0:06:18.279 But now he's demonizing Detroit. He loves demonizing other places. 0:06:18.320 --> 0:06:21.120 He called Milwaukee a horrible city. You and I and 0:06:21.160 --> 0:06:23.479 Molly were just in Milwaukee. We thought it was a 0:06:23.480 --> 0:06:25.520 lovely city and had some great pizza there. 0:06:25.720 --> 0:06:28.120 We really had some good pizza there. And I want 0:06:28.160 --> 0:06:31.480 to point out this is his way of dog whistling. Right, 0:06:31.560 --> 0:06:35.039 He's saying that the cities are not good and that 0:06:35.480 --> 0:06:39.880 Harris will make all of your suburban areas cities. And 0:06:39.960 --> 0:06:45.080 what he's saying, right, is that he's saying that cities 0:06:45.520 --> 0:06:49.719 which where sometimes they have a larger black population, that 0:06:49.920 --> 0:06:53.880 if Harris it becomes president, then she will make your 0:06:54.240 --> 0:06:59.320 suburbs more black. And it's a racist dog whistle. It's 0:06:59.320 --> 0:07:03.400 totally just, but no one is surprised by it. Donald 0:07:03.440 --> 0:07:06.960 Trump this week went to the Detroit Economic Club and 0:07:07.279 --> 0:07:10.600 instead of talking about anything particularly relevant, he spent the 0:07:10.680 --> 0:07:14.040 time trashing Detroit. This is so much a part of 0:07:14.080 --> 0:07:15.360 his playbook. Molly. 0:07:15.600 --> 0:07:18.560 The election is a mere twenty five days away now, 0:07:18.600 --> 0:07:20.840 as I can see from the countdown clock on my desk, 0:07:20.920 --> 0:07:23.560 that I have here that counts down my anxiety. But 0:07:23.880 --> 0:07:27.480 this new pupil says that the election will probably come 0:07:27.520 --> 0:07:29.440 down to a mere thirty percent of voters who are 0:07:29.480 --> 0:07:30.360 still persuadable. 0:07:30.600 --> 0:07:32.640 Yeah, but you know what, I'm going to say one thing. 0:07:32.680 --> 0:07:35.680 That's a tight election. And Pew found it eighty two 0:07:35.680 --> 0:07:39.720 percent of voters locked in forty two for Harris and 0:07:39.760 --> 0:07:43.040 forty for Trump, and there's five percent who has no preference. 0:07:43.080 --> 0:07:45.560 And you have about thirteen percent of voters who are 0:07:45.600 --> 0:07:49.200 still persuadable. Get out there, talk to your friends, talk 0:07:49.240 --> 0:07:52.040 to your kids, talk to your kid's friends. This is 0:07:52.120 --> 0:07:55.480 the moment. Twenty five days is a lot of days, right, 0:07:55.960 --> 0:07:58.960 you have a chance to go and talk to people 0:07:59.080 --> 0:08:03.480 and make the case and remind Americans what is at 0:08:03.480 --> 0:08:11.280 stake here. You know, a lot of people have mothers, daughters, cousins, sisters, aunts. Right, 0:08:11.400 --> 0:08:13.560 did they want to have children? Do they want to 0:08:13.600 --> 0:08:16.680 have medical care? Do they want to be able to, 0:08:17.320 --> 0:08:19.120 you know, if they are having a miscarriage, do they 0:08:19.160 --> 0:08:21.280 want to be able to take the medicine that they 0:08:21.360 --> 0:08:24.240 need for that? Because if they do, then they want 0:08:24.280 --> 0:08:28.040 to vote for the vice president. And twenty five days 0:08:28.120 --> 0:08:30.880 is a lot of days, so he's got to keep going. 0:08:31.000 --> 0:08:34.560 Agreed, Somali. You and I, between the two of us 0:08:34.640 --> 0:08:38.000 five dogs. We are very big dog lovers. Normally we 0:08:38.160 --> 0:08:41.000 would not devote time on the show to the story 0:08:41.040 --> 0:08:43.240 of a dog, but you pulled my heartstrings and I 0:08:43.280 --> 0:08:43.559 gave it. 0:08:43.920 --> 0:08:49.160 That dog situation is making me completely crazy. So in Florida, 0:08:49.360 --> 0:08:53.920 a state trooper found a dog that was tied to 0:08:54.040 --> 0:08:58.400 a pole. The dog is safe, he's been rescued. His 0:08:58.520 --> 0:09:03.040 name is now Trooper. He's at the Lyon County Humane 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:08.760 Society in Florida, available for adoption. So whoever put him 0:09:08.840 --> 0:09:12.040 on that, whoever tied him to that, Paul, you know 0:09:12.120 --> 0:09:15.840 it's just a disgusting thing to do, and really atrocious, 0:09:16.080 --> 0:09:16.920 terrible stuff. 0:09:17.200 --> 0:09:19.840 Agreed that. I know you're trying to hedge here and 0:09:19.880 --> 0:09:22.360 not say something bad, but just know that every bad 0:09:22.440 --> 0:09:23.440 thought is in our heads. 0:09:23.760 --> 0:09:29.520 Yeah, really true. 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:33.920 We have even more tour dates for you. Did you 0:09:33.960 --> 0:09:36.240 know the Lincoln projects Rick Wills that have Fast Politics 0:09:36.320 --> 0:09:38.720 Maleijug Fast are heading out on tour to bring you 0:09:39.040 --> 0:09:42.040 a night of laughs for our dark political landscape. Join 0:09:42.160 --> 0:09:44.199 us on August twenty sixth at San Francisco at the 0:09:44.240 --> 0:09:47.480 Swedish American Hall or in LA on August twenty seventh 0:09:47.520 --> 0:09:50.160 at the Region Theater. 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Welcome 0:10:39.040 --> 0:10:40.319 back to Fast Politics. 0:10:40.400 --> 0:10:41.920 Josh thanks for having me. 0:10:42.240 --> 0:10:44.320 How worried are you about those elections? 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:48.400 I would not say I am more worried than I've 0:10:48.480 --> 0:10:50.160 been at other points. 0:10:50.360 --> 0:10:51.120 Oh. Interesting. 0:10:51.280 --> 0:10:54.840 You know there's a thing that pilots, people who fly planes. 0:10:55.000 --> 0:10:57.160 I'm not a pilot, if anything, I'm a little I'm 0:10:57.200 --> 0:10:58.160 not a big fan of flying. 0:10:58.200 --> 0:11:00.640 But would you say you had a f are flying. 0:11:03.280 --> 0:11:04.840 I'll see myself as yeah. 0:11:04.640 --> 0:11:06.960 I know, but in fact I get the reference. But 0:11:07.040 --> 0:11:09.480 in fact, but in fact, I've been sort of an 0:11:09.480 --> 0:11:12.280 aerophobic my whole life. Actually I have it under control 0:11:12.320 --> 0:11:15.880 now I fly. But in any case, pilots are taught 0:11:16.040 --> 0:11:19.560 you have regular flying rules, then you have instrument flying rules. 0:11:19.679 --> 0:11:23.400 And this is something that pilots are taught that when 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:27.679 you are in certain conditions, you are taught to ignore 0:11:28.280 --> 0:11:31.080 your sensations, what you think is up, what you think 0:11:31.120 --> 0:11:34.240 is down, all of that stuff. You look at your 0:11:34.240 --> 0:11:37.440 instrument pans, and your instrument panel tells you where you're going, 0:11:37.559 --> 0:11:39.960 tells you what is up, what is down. Because it 0:11:40.080 --> 0:11:44.280 is one of these established things over the century plus 0:11:44.320 --> 0:11:49.600 now of people flying that your perceptions in a storm, 0:11:49.679 --> 0:11:53.880 in bad weather, your perceptions get wrong. They're unreliable, and 0:11:53.920 --> 0:11:56.360 so they are taught to I don't know if it's 0:11:56.400 --> 0:12:01.400 a zen thing exactly, but to ignore completely nor your 0:12:01.640 --> 0:12:05.960 phenomenology of flying what you feel is happening, and you 0:12:06.000 --> 0:12:09.680 watch your instrument panel. And I have seen over the 0:12:09.840 --> 0:12:11.679 last you know, I think everybody has seen over the 0:12:11.760 --> 0:12:14.520 last week. The Democrats are really freaking out now about 0:12:14.559 --> 0:12:19.160 the election, and I am not immune to that. But 0:12:19.360 --> 0:12:22.480 I am looking at the instrument panel and I actually 0:12:22.559 --> 0:12:26.880 don't see much changing on the instrument panel. And I 0:12:27.000 --> 0:12:30.080 try to keep my eyes closely on the instrument panel. 0:12:30.200 --> 0:12:32.480 So that's that's where I am. I think we are 0:12:32.520 --> 0:12:36.280 basically in the same election that we were in two 0:12:36.280 --> 0:12:41.079 weeks ago. There has been some sort of fractional tightening 0:12:41.120 --> 0:12:44.480 in the polls tents of percentage points. When I actually 0:12:44.559 --> 0:12:47.320 look at the details, it's not clear to me. That's 0:12:47.400 --> 0:12:51.439 not noise in different polsters, you know, different posters polling 0:12:51.880 --> 0:12:54.400 more over the last week and stuff. So that's where 0:12:54.440 --> 0:12:58.120 I'm at, you know, I try to be an instrument 0:12:58.200 --> 0:13:02.040 panels guy precisely because there's so many inputs, there are 0:13:02.040 --> 0:13:05.440 so many sensations we are getting at this point in 0:13:05.480 --> 0:13:07.960 an election. I think what we have to hope, although 0:13:08.080 --> 0:13:10.840 I know from experience that this is not always the 0:13:10.840 --> 0:13:15.000 case that the people actually flying the plane. You know, 0:13:15.040 --> 0:13:18.200 we're passengers on the plane, right, you hope the people 0:13:18.240 --> 0:13:21.840 flying the plane are also going or doing instrument panels flight. 0:13:22.040 --> 0:13:25.160 I know from experience that is not always the case, right, 0:13:25.640 --> 0:13:28.040 they get freaked out themselves. But that is where I am. 0:13:28.559 --> 0:13:32.560 Yeah, I think that's interesting. Polls are not really not 0:13:32.640 --> 0:13:37.920 a science, and then there are partisan polls getting added 0:13:37.960 --> 0:13:39.640 into the averages. Right. 0:13:39.960 --> 0:13:42.760 Yeah, there's no question there's a few a few of 0:13:42.760 --> 0:13:46.560 the aggregators downweighth them more than others. But yeah, there's 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:49.160 a lot of there are a lot of partisan polls 0:13:49.400 --> 0:13:49.960 in the mix. 0:13:50.360 --> 0:13:55.079 Yeah. The fundamental truth here is that Harrison's campaign wants 0:13:55.120 --> 0:13:57.920 you to think she's losing and Trump's campaign wants you 0:13:57.960 --> 0:13:59.840 to think he's winning. Is that correct? 0:14:00.200 --> 0:14:02.560 Yes, that is basically correct. But I think there is 0:14:02.600 --> 0:14:06.520 a deeper sociological truth there. I've been doing this for 0:14:06.559 --> 0:14:10.280 twenty five years and I've seen this. I've been through 0:14:10.280 --> 0:14:14.200 this movie many times. Democrats always think they are losing 0:14:14.400 --> 0:14:18.559 and Republicans always think they're winning. It's a basic sociological 0:14:18.640 --> 0:14:22.400 fact that goes beyond what they want you to think. 0:14:22.640 --> 0:14:25.440 Like so, for instance, yes, Harris has made clear she 0:14:25.520 --> 0:14:28.800 wants to be running as the underdog for good reasons. Right, 0:14:28.840 --> 0:14:30.600 there's good reasons why they want to. 0:14:30.600 --> 0:14:33.280 Well, twenty sixteen is a good reason, right. 0:14:33.080 --> 0:14:36.280 Exactly, Well, twenty sixteen, twenty twenty. There's just a good 0:14:36.320 --> 0:14:38.680 logic there. You don't want to be sort of sitting 0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:40.960 on a lead. You don't want to be over comfortable. 0:14:41.200 --> 0:14:43.880 They want to be running in that way. They want 0:14:43.920 --> 0:14:46.240 their supporters to think they are running in that way, 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:48.080 and there's a lot of good reasons for running in 0:14:48.120 --> 0:14:53.440 that way. There's also unquestionably a Trump campaign thing to think, oh, 0:14:53.480 --> 0:14:55.440 we're doing a rally in New York Man, We're going 0:14:55.520 --> 0:14:57.240 to run this. You know, we're going to run the table. 0:14:57.400 --> 0:14:59.400 But what has always been the most interesting thing to 0:14:59.480 --> 0:15:03.640 me is that, by and large, whatever the reality on 0:15:03.680 --> 0:15:08.200 the ground, Democrats really think they are losing, or if 0:15:08.200 --> 0:15:11.240 there's any question, they think they're losing, and Republicans always 0:15:11.280 --> 0:15:13.880 think they're winning. It's not just a matter of what 0:15:13.960 --> 0:15:16.000 they want you to think. This is something in the 0:15:16.080 --> 0:15:19.440 mindset of both groups, and in a way it's not 0:15:19.480 --> 0:15:23.160 that surprising. It's the same story about you know, civic 0:15:23.200 --> 0:15:27.960 democrats and authoritarians. Authoritarians always think they're winning. It's the 0:15:28.040 --> 0:15:31.040 nature of the way you think about authority and power. 0:15:31.880 --> 0:15:34.200 It's all those things. It's all those things, you know. 0:15:34.440 --> 0:15:36.520 One let me just add one little thing here. People 0:15:36.560 --> 0:15:39.440 talk a lot about the twenty twenty two midterm and 0:15:39.480 --> 0:15:41.720 the red wave stuff and all that kind of stuff. 0:15:41.920 --> 0:15:43.880 Some of the people who were most bought into the 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:48.640 red wave were Democratic campaigns. Oh yeah, it's a basic 0:15:48.760 --> 0:15:52.480 sort of sociological reality about the two big factions in 0:15:52.520 --> 0:15:54.400 American politics, right. 0:15:54.480 --> 0:15:57.680 Right, No, I think that's exactly right, and a big 0:15:57.800 --> 0:16:01.720 question So and then the larger question is like can 0:16:02.160 --> 0:16:07.280 this country understand sort of the danger that is Trump? Right, 0:16:07.400 --> 0:16:11.560 I mean the danger to democracy? I mean in twenty twenty, 0:16:11.840 --> 0:16:14.960 part of what Biden did, which I think he did 0:16:15.440 --> 0:16:18.960 despite a lot of naysaying on the other side, was 0:16:19.040 --> 0:16:21.520 he made the case that Donald Trump was in fact 0:16:21.560 --> 0:16:24.560 a danger to democracy. And this was maybe not a 0:16:24.800 --> 0:16:28.200 four year election, you know, he did make that case. 0:16:28.480 --> 0:16:28.680 You know. 0:16:28.760 --> 0:16:32.520 One of the advantages that he had is that Donald 0:16:32.560 --> 0:16:35.800 Trump was president, right, he didn't have to like kind 0:16:35.800 --> 0:16:40.040 of jog people's memories. People were experiencing what Donald Trump 0:16:40.120 --> 0:16:43.840 was Like, I mean, in some ways Trump's twenty twenty campaign, 0:16:44.080 --> 0:16:46.680 the fact that he you know, that it remained close 0:16:47.720 --> 0:16:51.280 was that I think that case had kind of been made, 0:16:51.800 --> 0:16:56.880 and then Joe Biden was someone who was a particularly 0:16:56.960 --> 0:17:00.360 good person to make the case to reaffirm the case. 0:17:00.920 --> 0:17:04.399 The reason it was close is that the Trump campaign, 0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:07.440 I think, you know, sort of early in the pandemic, 0:17:07.600 --> 0:17:10.280 early in the campaign, whatever however you want to say, 0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:13.720 basically said I am an idiot and a big threat 0:17:13.720 --> 0:17:17.479 to democracy. But what about Antifa and what about the 0:17:17.880 --> 0:17:21.119 brown people riots that are tearing down our cities? And 0:17:21.119 --> 0:17:23.160 who's going to protect you from that? And so, yeah, 0:17:23.200 --> 0:17:24.680 of course IMO a threat. You know, in a way, 0:17:24.720 --> 0:17:26.960 they kind of gave up that argument and went with 0:17:27.440 --> 0:17:29.879 this other thing, and that's how they ran the campaign. 0:17:30.400 --> 0:17:35.000 So can people realize that it's a funny thing because 0:17:35.280 --> 0:17:38.320 forty percent of the country doesn't care. Forty percent of 0:17:38.359 --> 0:17:39.920 the country is on board, so it's not a matter. 0:17:40.000 --> 0:17:42.560 They do realize it. They want another serving, And so 0:17:42.680 --> 0:17:44.760 when we get into this conversation, you know, what can 0:17:44.800 --> 0:17:47.280 the country realize blah blah blah blah. You know, in 0:17:47.320 --> 0:17:52.160 some ways, we have a great consistency over these campaigns, 0:17:52.280 --> 0:17:55.359 Donald Trump gets about forty six forty seven percent of 0:17:55.400 --> 0:17:58.000 the vote, and it's what happens on the other side. 0:17:58.119 --> 0:18:01.320 And so to a great extent, an unfortunate extent, a 0:18:01.400 --> 0:18:04.080 sort of a frustrating or mind numbing extent, what you 0:18:04.200 --> 0:18:07.840 have is the people left over are the people who 0:18:07.960 --> 0:18:11.280 neither care about or know much of anything about politics, 0:18:11.480 --> 0:18:14.400 which puts us into this kind of Kafka esque political 0:18:14.440 --> 0:18:18.440 reality where it's sort of like, Okay, you people who 0:18:18.880 --> 0:18:21.840 know nothing about politics, you're truly ignorant. 0:18:21.560 --> 0:18:24.240 Right, I'm going to decide what happens to us. 0:18:24.359 --> 0:18:26.960 Yes, and you don't care to cease to be ignorant. 0:18:27.080 --> 0:18:29.000 I think, you know, Jamel Bouley has this. I think 0:18:29.040 --> 0:18:31.359 he's no longer on Twitter, he's on Blue Sky, so 0:18:31.560 --> 0:18:33.600 I see him talking about this sometimes, and I love 0:18:33.680 --> 0:18:36.919 how he has just a very frank way of putting 0:18:36.920 --> 0:18:40.680 it that you know, you see these panels of undecided voters, like, 0:18:40.760 --> 0:18:43.240 let's be honest, these are panels people who are just 0:18:43.400 --> 0:18:47.800 idiots about politics. They know nothing, right, And so you know, 0:18:47.840 --> 0:18:50.280 since I'm not running a campaign, and those people, since 0:18:50.280 --> 0:18:53.160 they don't care about politics, are not listening to this podcast, right, 0:18:53.320 --> 0:18:55.359 So we can make fun of them till the cows 0:18:55.359 --> 0:18:57.639 come home and it doesn't matter. But that is the reality, 0:18:57.640 --> 0:19:00.879 and that is what makes the whole thing a very weird. 0:19:00.960 --> 0:19:04.080 Kafka asks, yeah, because again, they don't follow it, but 0:19:04.160 --> 0:19:05.280 they're gonna decide it. 0:19:05.440 --> 0:19:06.120 Yeah, exactly. 0:19:06.400 --> 0:19:10.480 So let's talk about two hurricanes in the span of 0:19:10.840 --> 0:19:15.560 two weeks. Terrible damage, but not as terrible as some 0:19:15.600 --> 0:19:17.840 people had thought it might be. One of the things 0:19:17.880 --> 0:19:21.240 I'm struck by is I was listening to Ron DeSantis 0:19:21.520 --> 0:19:25.919 de Santis's press conference on the hurricane, and it is 0:19:25.960 --> 0:19:29.560 a very hard circle to square when you have someone 0:19:29.640 --> 0:19:34.680 like rond Santis, who is largely known for don't say 0:19:34.840 --> 0:19:39.040 gay and going to war with New College and all 0:19:39.080 --> 0:19:43.480 sorts of authoritarian stuff. Is six week abortion ban, which 0:19:43.520 --> 0:19:47.040 is wildly unpopular in a state. This guy very partisan, 0:19:47.400 --> 0:19:53.520 very divisive. He's doing this presser on the hurricane, which 0:19:53.600 --> 0:19:57.080 is largely not meant to be partisan. It's meant to 0:19:57.119 --> 0:19:59.080 be just when I listen to it, I get a 0:19:59.119 --> 0:20:03.520 little bit of a set of what Maga must be 0:20:03.680 --> 0:20:07.280 feeling when Biden speaks to them, right, even though it's 0:20:07.320 --> 0:20:10.199 not the same at all. Right, Because you'll remember Biden 0:20:10.200 --> 0:20:13.720 has tried very hard to be nonpartisan, especially about things 0:20:13.840 --> 0:20:16.800 like a natural disaster. But there is a sense where 0:20:16.840 --> 0:20:18.879 it's the other side of the same coin. And I 0:20:19.080 --> 0:20:22.800 just wonder where that puts us in the grand scheme 0:20:22.840 --> 0:20:23.240 of things. 0:20:23.560 --> 0:20:25.840 Well, it puts us not in great place. I mean, 0:20:25.920 --> 0:20:28.040 I think you are right to the extent that it 0:20:28.119 --> 0:20:31.719 is helpful sometimes to think about perceptions. And when you 0:20:31.760 --> 0:20:36.280 are in a real public crisis, it is very unnerving 0:20:36.720 --> 0:20:42.480 to have someone who you perceive as untrustworthy and predatory 0:20:42.800 --> 0:20:45.320 calling the shots. You know, that's the person who's going 0:20:45.359 --> 0:20:48.159 to decide who the relief goes to and stuff like that, 0:20:48.280 --> 0:20:51.120 and that's unsettling. And that's part of the political reality 0:20:51.160 --> 0:20:51.679 that we live in. 0:20:52.000 --> 0:20:56.040 And we saw Trump, right, We saw Trump say things like, 0:20:56.840 --> 0:20:59.679 you know, when he was in office that California had 0:20:59.680 --> 0:21:01.639 all these wild fires, he didn't want to give federal 0:21:01.680 --> 0:21:04.240 aid to California because they didn't support him. Those weren't 0:21:04.280 --> 0:21:07.719 his people, that kind of thing. We saw that, And 0:21:07.800 --> 0:21:11.639 I wonder how much when we thread the needle there, 0:21:12.160 --> 0:21:15.200 you know that people remember that. And also I want 0:21:15.240 --> 0:21:18.400 to like go back to COVID, which the massive pandemic 0:21:18.400 --> 0:21:20.480 which changed all our lives, but now none of us 0:21:20.480 --> 0:21:23.640 talk about anymore. The lesson that Right got from COVID 0:21:23.880 --> 0:21:28.640 was that healthcare workers are nefarious and don't have your 0:21:28.640 --> 0:21:32.200 best interests, which is an insane lesson to get right 0:21:32.359 --> 0:21:35.760 from a global pandemic, But it was very much influenced 0:21:35.760 --> 0:21:39.320 by social media and a lack of local news, et cetera, 0:21:39.320 --> 0:21:42.960 et cetera. We're coming down the barrel of another thing 0:21:43.000 --> 0:21:46.200 that is like the pandemic, which is climate change. Again, 0:21:46.280 --> 0:21:50.960 there's an opportunity for people to accept these things as 0:21:51.000 --> 0:21:53.960