Speaker 1: So it's kidding, Leana. I want to be the one
Speaker 1: asking the questions this time.
Speaker 2: Oh, Jojo coming in hot today, I wasn't ready.
Speaker 1: Do you use me? It's Jose Antonio and then come
Speaker 1: in hot every day. Thanks. Anyway, my question for.
Speaker 2: You, hum, I'm ready.
Speaker 1: How do you bring that bad bitch energy to a
Speaker 1: situation that needs it?
Speaker 2: Well? What kind of bad bitch are we being? Are
Speaker 2: we being somebody that needs a raise? Are we trying
Speaker 2: to break up with a boyfriend? Are we trying to
Speaker 2: cut off negative energy? I think it depends on what
Speaker 2: our situation calls for. Because I think you have to
Speaker 2: temper the bad bitch energy in a direction and channel it.
Speaker 1: That's good. And also here's the thing, like, so what
Speaker 1: do you think, do you like pump yourself up to
Speaker 1: get that bad bitch.
Speaker 2: Girl or oh yeah, I feel like you have to
Speaker 2: be like very Sasha fierce about it, you know, because
Speaker 2: I think naturally people probably aren't that way when they
Speaker 2: just like open their eyes and wake up in the morning.
Speaker 2: So I think whether you need it, I mean, okay,
Speaker 2: most of us that don't have your special energy or
Speaker 2: not like that, So I think, listen, sometimes you need
Speaker 2: a liquid courage. Sometimes you need a pump up song,
Speaker 2: I mean, or you could always just close your eyes
Speaker 2: and picture Daliah, because last time we checked in on her.
Speaker 1: She was sitting on the desk of De La Visa's president,
Speaker 1: casually checking her French manny and telling him I want
Speaker 1: to be famous, world famous.
Speaker 2: Now we don't actually know that she sat on the desk,
Speaker 2: nor do we know that she was rocking a French
Speaker 2: but this is the late eighties, so it is one
Speaker 2: hundred percent possible. Here's what we do know. This girl
Speaker 2: made her ambitions known in no uncertain terms. Bitch was
Speaker 2: direct power.
Speaker 1: Moves, honey, make them feel like you're sitting on their
Speaker 1: desk and looking at them like they're netting.
Speaker 2: It is indeed giving boss, bitch, And after starring in
Speaker 2: a smash hit team telenovela and becoming the most popular
Speaker 2: member of Mexico's top teen pop band, Dahlia had more
Speaker 2: where that came from.
Speaker 1: This rising star showed no signs of slowing, so Delivisa
Speaker 1: president Emilio Askataga did the smart thing and buzzed his
Speaker 1: assistant Rosita, I'm going to need you to book this
Speaker 1: girl a one way ticket to Holly.
Speaker 2: As an actor and a singer, Dalia had maxed out
Speaker 2: her time inside the Laisa's talent incubation machine.
Speaker 1: And when you stop seeing gains Hun, that's when you
Speaker 1: got to look into a new trainer.
Speaker 2: So Dalia spent much of nineteen eighty nine in la
Speaker 2: studying English and taking singing, dancing, and acting courses at
Speaker 2: the University of California, And she also reinvented her look.
Speaker 2: Remember how much Ardalia loved Sandy and Grease the musical, Well,
Speaker 2: Dalia dropped the stylish child from the wardrobe of Finbriice
Speaker 2: and donned a ruffled, braw and studded leather.
Speaker 1: Jacket aka good bye miss Andrad and hello Sandy.
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess that is one way to go
Speaker 2: back to your question, Joseph, to channel your inner bad bitch, Like,
Speaker 2: if you want to be the part, you should dress
Speaker 2: the part.
Speaker 1: I'm putting on some leather right now, Hane.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's amazing to me that this girl went
Speaker 2: from like teen wholesome pop to like straddling a motorcycle
Speaker 2: in a full leather outfit worthy of sons of anarchy.
Speaker 1: Well done.
Speaker 2: I'm not seeing any chaps in these pictures, Those come later,
Speaker 2: don't you worry. Dalia was showing skin and she wasn't
Speaker 2: shy about it. In Christina Aguilera's terms, she basically went
Speaker 2: from reflection to dirty in half the time. But at
Speaker 2: this time, think back, this move was risque, and much
Speaker 2: like with Ekstina, the press had something to say.
Speaker 1: Because when you bring out your inner bad bitch, you
Speaker 1: bring out all the jumps. Want to bring a bitch down.
Speaker 2: Facts. But remember, Balia wasn't alone. And while she wasn't
Speaker 2: exactly flying off to happily ever after in the passenger
Speaker 2: seat of a T bird grease reference, yep, she wasn't
Speaker 2: about to let a couple of scandals dim her light. Wait,
Speaker 2: a couple of scandals, of course, this is the telenovela episode.
Speaker 2: There's gonna be Escandalo after escandalo, But you gotta wait
Speaker 2: for that because that's coming up after the break. I'm
Speaker 2: your host, Lilianavoscaz.
Speaker 1: And I'm Joseph Carrio and this is Becoming an Icon.
Speaker 2: A weekly podcast where we give you the rundown on
Speaker 2: how today's most famous LATINV stars have shaped pop culture.
Speaker 1: And give it the world some extra level.
Speaker 2: Sit back and get comfortable.
Speaker 1: Because we are going in the.
Speaker 2: Only way we know how with Buena buenasriesas and a
Speaker 2: lot of opinions as we relive their greatest achievements on
Speaker 2: our journey to find out what makes them so iconic.
Speaker 2: Dhalia's self titled solo debut was a buzzworthy affair. Before
Speaker 2: saying goodbye to t Medicin, she had appeared with the
Speaker 2: group on their seventh and eighth albums, both of which
Speaker 2: had sold a cool million copies.
Speaker 1: And after her in Boulina Rubio's very public fight on
Speaker 1: stage at at Timidice concert, it was clear who was
Speaker 1: the most popular member of.
Speaker 2: The group, so all jokes aside. Her new look for
Speaker 2: the album was a big swing, and she struck gold
Speaker 2: two times gold to exact at two hundred thousand units sold.
Speaker 1: Within two weeks, the record had completely sold out, and
Speaker 1: we're talking Vinyl's CDs and passetts.
Speaker 2: And that's despite one of her promo singles being banned
Speaker 2: from the radio.
Speaker 1: Because Dali's Bad Girl debut didn't stop with her looks.
Speaker 2: First, Dalia's lead single Unpacto Andreoss was attacked by critics
Speaker 2: for sado masochistic lyrics. Should we read reverse.
Speaker 1: Salucelo razrunyao yerrelo, gosas lololo enojate or yallo.
Speaker 2: H ya translation for all of our non Spanish speaking
Speaker 2: listeners seduce him, scratch him, cut him, enjoy his pain,
Speaker 2: scold him, get angry, hate him. It's getting hot today.
Speaker 2: The controversy would build to the point where the album's
Speaker 2: second single, Saliva, would be banned from several radio stations, but.
Speaker 1: The rest of the album singles were uncontroversial. There's the
Speaker 1: ballad Amara Sul and the final single Pienzunthi, which.
Speaker 2: Is a ballad dedicated to her producer and romantic partner
Speaker 2: Alfredo Diaz or Thas Scandalo.
Speaker 1: Those two Nasty Girls singles were co written by Talia
Speaker 1: and Ordaz over days in the studio that probably felt
Speaker 1: more like steamy knights in the studio, if you know
Speaker 1: what I mean.
Speaker 2: Ordaz was introduced to Talia by Televisa's president as the
Speaker 2: producer on Talia's debut. He and Talia worked closely together
Speaker 2: on every track, and.
Speaker 1: As production on the album neared completion, Dalia and Ordaz
Speaker 1: were seen in public together more and more.
Speaker 2: This would be enough for tabloid fodder on its own.
Speaker 2: But the bigger piece here is that Ordaz was about
Speaker 2: twice Dalia's age.
Speaker 1: Double is Scandalo, And when she wasn't being hounded about
Speaker 1: her spicy new look, Dalia was fielding questions about that
Speaker 1: or daddy.
Speaker 2: I can't believe you just called him that. And even
Speaker 2: though her solo debut was a resounding success, all the
Speaker 2: negative attention from the press about her racy new persona,
Speaker 2: as well as quote unquote concerned parents who took her
Speaker 2: first singles as proof of Satan worship, eventually wore Aaliyah down.
Speaker 1: Listen always with the Satan, these.
Speaker 2: People latinos man, it's always, it's always in the devil
Speaker 2: there is. Dahlia was hit hard by depression.
Speaker 1: Quote. I didn't want to go out anymore. I didn't
Speaker 1: want to sing. I didn't want to promote the album nothing.
Speaker 2: We've said it before, we will say it forever. Fame
Speaker 2: will test a bitch, even a bad one, but especially
Speaker 2: when you're twenty years old.
Speaker 1: But as we've also said before, Dahlia wasn't alone. Your Landa,
Speaker 1: Dalia's momager and most trusted fam dropped an okay, yeah
Speaker 1: and gave her daughter.
Speaker 2: A choice quote if you want, we'll stop everything artistic.
Speaker 2: We'll pack our bags and leave the country to study
Speaker 2: to become a lawyer, a doctor, a psychologist, whatever you want.
Speaker 2: Or option two, if you want to continue being an
Speaker 2: artist and make a name for yourself in this industry,
Speaker 2: we'll fight tooth and nail and nobody is going to
Speaker 2: break you. But right now, you have to tell me
Speaker 2: what we're going to do.
Speaker 1: Would you call that a pep talk or like, is
Speaker 1: that more of an ultimatum?
Speaker 2: I would say that is empowered decision forcing that. I
Speaker 2: do it a lot with my toddler. If you want
Speaker 2: to do this or when you do this, we can
Speaker 2: do this. I think it's kind of how you have
Speaker 2: to talk to your children when they're right on the
Speaker 2: border of being not just kids but also adults. Right like,
Speaker 2: you're saying you want this, but how bad do you
Speaker 2: want it?
Speaker 1: Do you really?
Speaker 2: You know? And by the way, I will love you
Speaker 2: unconditionally regardless of the choice, which I think is the
Speaker 2: most important piece of the conversation. Do whatever you want,
Speaker 2: no skin off my back, because I love you no
Speaker 2: matter what. But I have to know who I'm supporting
Speaker 2: in this. So are you gonna be a bad bitch.
Speaker 2: Are we going home? Are gonna be a doctor? You decide, Max,
Speaker 2: and I think in these conversations, Yolanda reawakened her daughter's confidence.
Speaker 1: But not long after that, Dalia's relationship with our dogs
Speaker 1: would hit some rough waters. For reasons we'll get into
Speaker 1: in just a bit.
Speaker 2: Dalia was still determined to become her words, not just famous,
Speaker 2: world famous, but between the press and the personal drama,
Speaker 2: she needed to get away. So Dalia and her mother
Speaker 2: found a two birds, one stone solution christ Trip.
Speaker 1: Dalia Joli hopped on a plane and zoomed to Espana,
Speaker 1: and after meeting some of Spanish television's movers and shakers
Speaker 1: over unaskanyas they landed, Talia a spot on the Spanish
Speaker 1: variety show vip Nocee.
Speaker 2: Telia quickly became a fixture in Spanish household, charming audiences
Speaker 2: nationwide and showing off that Hollywood grade singing and dancing.
Speaker 1: That girls trip turned into a six month engagement in Spain,
Speaker 1: and that six month engagement in Spain led to one
Speaker 1: of Dalia's most iconic eras.
Speaker 2: It's nineteen ninety one and Dalia's mother receives.
Speaker 1: A phone call, well can we say for funzies that
Speaker 1: they were sleeping in after a long night of.
Speaker 2: Tatpath Yes, sure, Okay, It's nineteen ninety one. Dalia and
Speaker 2: her mom are sleeping in after some wild, crazy, kind
Speaker 2: of raunchy knight fueled by vermouth and choriso.
Speaker 1: When the phone rings, Yulando's arm creeps out from under
Speaker 1: the duvet, gropes around the night's den and finds the handset.
Speaker 1: She musters a graghy alla and listens to the voice
Speaker 1: on the other end.
Speaker 2: But she's not really listening until she hears the following name,
Speaker 2: Valentine Pimstein.
Speaker 1: Dalia and Yulanda joel to wake and sit up, pill
Speaker 1: marks on their faces, hair spray, all as the Valentine
Speaker 1: Pinstein see signor the Valentine Pinkstein, the man who would
Speaker 1: come to be known as the father of the pink telenovella.
Speaker 2: And you might be asking yourself what the fuck is
Speaker 2: a pink telenovela? Well, all the craziest tropes and images
Speaker 2: you might think of when you hear the word deelenovela
Speaker 2: basically come from the pink delenovela.
Speaker 1: Melodramatic romance check plot twist like amnesia and an evil
Speaker 1: twin siblings. Check crazy fight scenes, a woman going blind
Speaker 1: after witnessing her husband cheating.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, check double check.
Speaker 1: Talking dogs, evil witches, poison check check check.
Speaker 2: Valentine was a Chilean producer of more than sixty such telenovelas,
Speaker 2: including Los Ricos, Tambien, Joran, viv Rumpoco, and Chucco el Roto,
Speaker 2: and he wanted Talia to start in not one, not two,
Speaker 2: but three felenovelas known as Las Marias.
Speaker 1: These three telenovelas were each inspired by Cinderella. So poor
Speaker 1: girl meets rich boy, they find forbid in love, and
Speaker 1: that's basically all they have in common with Cinderella, because
Speaker 1: from there they get absolutely Craig Gray.
Speaker 2: And for Joseph to call something Craig Gray, you know
Speaker 2: it's got to be off the rails, okay. And this
Speaker 2: turned out to be the opportunity of a lifetime for
Speaker 2: Talia Valentine. Pimstein's tele novelas had helped launch the career
Speaker 2: of none other than Veronica Castro.
Speaker 1: Aka the actress slash singer slash interviewer who added Diane
Speaker 1: Sawyer sit down with Talia and paulin Arrubio after their
Speaker 1: on stage throwdown.
Speaker 2: Aka Dalia's own hashtag goals. Dalia immediately said yes, when
Speaker 2: do I start? But there was one holdout in the
Speaker 2: conversations that followed. The l'visa president, Emilio Askataga, the very
Speaker 2: same man who had sent Dalia to Hollywood. Emilio's objection
Speaker 2: Dalia was too young for the project.
Speaker 1: Okay, gay, she's too young to please Cinderella, but she's
Speaker 1: not too young to parade around in a brawl.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and parade around? Excuse me? When did my co
Speaker 2: host turn into Abraham Vania.
Speaker 1: Don't get interested. I'm here for the parading. What I'm
Speaker 1: not here for is a big daddy Emilio calling the shots.
Speaker 2: I mean, I am not here for men making decisions
Speaker 2: about women's careers. How about that bo But don't worry
Speaker 2: because one day that the le Visa president got a
Speaker 2: buzz from his secretary. There's someone here to see you,
Speaker 2: she said.
Speaker 1: Or for funzies. Can we say he was trying to
Speaker 1: take a nap off of a double whiskey soda.
Speaker 2: I mean, we just went from Cinderella to madmis so
Speaker 2: let's go for it. Okay, this guy's definitely a power luncher. Okay,
Speaker 2: so he was slumped over his desk. Emilio Groggiley asks
Speaker 2: the secretary who's there, and the name he hears makes
Speaker 2: him bolt upright with a fountain pen stuck to his face.
Speaker 2: The Valentine Peinstein, the Man, the Myth, the Legend, and
Speaker 2: mister Beamestein convinced Askataga to let the Lia star in
Speaker 2: the first novella of the trilogy, Maria Mercedes, the.
Speaker 1: Story of a poor girl supporting her broken family by
Speaker 1: sellaring lottery tickets on the street. Abandoned by her mother
Speaker 1: and scorned by her alcoholic father, fate throws young Maria
Speaker 1: a curveball, or perhaps a lifeline, when she falls in
Speaker 1: love with a young millionaire Josse Luis del Lmo.
Speaker 2: Dahlia basically threw her life into the production of this show.
Speaker 2: She arrived at the studio at six am and left
Speaker 2: at midnight, totaling an eighteen hour workday.
Speaker 1: Dang Theyan't got no sad in Mexico.
Speaker 2: No for real. Dalia even rented a house across the
Speaker 2: street from Televisa in order to always be on call
Speaker 2: for filming.
Speaker 1: This all sounds like a hard hitting Hollywood Reporter article or.
Speaker 2: Another podcast add it to the list. iHeart to be clear,
Speaker 2: very few people can actually survive or work like this.
Speaker 2: Under most circumstances, this would feel untenable. But when you're young,
Speaker 2: and when you have the right mix of people, sometimes
Speaker 2: you can get lucky and actually have a lot of
Speaker 2: fun on the grind.
Speaker 1: True, and Dahlia did have the right mix of people. Specifically,
Speaker 1: she got to work with her big sister. That's right,
Speaker 1: big Sis.
Speaker 2: Laura Sabatta, Dalia's original inspo, played the evil stepmother to
Speaker 2: Talia Cinderella, and because this is Dalia, her character had
Speaker 2: a rebellious streak. That means that this Cinderella collapped back
Speaker 2: at her evil stepmother, leading to some of the most
Speaker 2: iconic fight scenes in telen novella history.
Speaker 1: Let's watch one right now.
Speaker 2: Auviy okay, So let's set the stage. First. Of all,
Speaker 2: the hair, so much hair, so curly, so big, so dramatic.
Speaker 2: The clothes. I will never forget this French's mustard yellow suit.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, away she pulls up those raggety sleep.
Speaker 2: Oh no, but she's not messing around. They are about
Speaker 2: to throw down, down, down, down.
Speaker 1: Oh she does and they're slapping each other and it's
Speaker 1: just so insane.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Maria Mercedis is synonymous with a slap
Speaker 2: like Bill Smith. Will Smith has nothing.
Speaker 1: Oh sh keep my wife's name out your mouth slapping.
Speaker 2: They should have watched this before. They're big moment at
Speaker 2: the Oscars. According to Dahlia, she and her sister would
Speaker 2: break into fits of laughter for twenty minutes at a
Speaker 2: time on set, sometimes breaking repeatedly over the same line.
Speaker 1: Dang, thank got no iatzi in Mexico.
Speaker 2: Seriously, though, big ups to whoever was holding the boom
Speaker 2: mic through all of that. According to Talia, though it
Speaker 2: was good vibes all throughout the set and throughout the cast.
Speaker 1: According to the actor who played Dalia's love interest, arthurro Pnicice,
Speaker 1: Dalia loved to have lunch at a seafood restaurant close
Speaker 1: to tell Visa and would show up to set a
Speaker 1: reeking of garlic.
Speaker 2: The day of their very first kiss scene, Dalia went
Speaker 2: soul brat and ate fish with extra garlic sauce, purely
Speaker 2: to troll arturo When arturo Ka went to this, he
Speaker 2: staged a counter attack by snarping down a red onion
Speaker 2: and blowing in her face during their kiss. When the
Speaker 2: director called action, they locked lips and both wanted to hurl.
Speaker 1: That was our first on screen kiss.
Speaker 2: Well, in the show, Maria doesn't want to kiss Josse Luise,
Speaker 2: so it actually was a happy onset accident.
Speaker 1: Wow. Tele novela magic y'all. Maria Mercedez would become an
Speaker 1: instant hit in Mexico and was broadcast in one hundred
Speaker 1: different countries. Cut to President Askaraga calling out Valentine.
Speaker 2: Pinstein, Askataga simply told Pimstein two words, all three, and
Speaker 2: so Talia starred in the next to theelenvelas of the trilogy,
Speaker 2: Marie mar and Maria La del Barrio.
Speaker 1: Marie mar is basically the same story as Maria Mercedes,
Speaker 1: except it takes place on the coast.
Speaker 2: I mean that is so classic. They're like, we don't
Speaker 2: need a new story, we just need a news backdrop.
Speaker 2: Just get me another soundstage. The show is remembered for
Speaker 2: Thalia's coastal accent and for Talia's best friend and confident
Speaker 2: on the show, a talking dog. Oh yes, a la,
Speaker 2: Look who's talking now?
Speaker 1: You mean the movie with the talking babies?
Speaker 2: No, The sequel to the sequel with the talking dogs.
Speaker 1: Ugh, wait, you mean the movie where the two dogs
Speaker 1: the cat or trying to go home?
Speaker 2: No what, that's homeward bound.
Speaker 1: You know what, Let's just stick to Dalia girl.
Speaker 2: Great call. Next in the trilogy, Maria la del Barrio
Speaker 2: storrying Talia as a poor girl wearing a homemade jughead crown. Yes,
Speaker 2: like jughead from the Archie copics. Just roll with it,
Speaker 2: you guys. I promise I am not trolling you and
Speaker 2: making this up. I promise this is actual facts, like
Speaker 2: you can google this. Okay. So this is Dalia as
Speaker 2: a poor girl with her jug head crown and hanging
Speaker 2: out with even more animal friends because Talia, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I guess she just loved animals.
Speaker 1: But more importantly, it featured La Rena Itati Cantrel as
Speaker 1: the villain Soria Montenegro, who you may know from.
Speaker 2: My aka the notorious iconic. Positively a that shit scene
Speaker 2: where Soriya walks in on her Levernando aka Maria's adoptive
Speaker 2: son of fifteen years because the show has a time
Speaker 2: skipp duh kissing Soria's wheelchair bound adoptive daughter Alicia, whom
Speaker 2: she's stuck taking care of after marrying and murdering Alicia's
Speaker 2: widow or father for the money, and then just goes
Speaker 2: absolutely apian on both of them.
Speaker 1: The story is bananas and we love it for that
Speaker 1: point is. Punters are thrown, hair is pulled, the wheelchair
Speaker 1: is knocked over. Find it on YouTube if you've been
Speaker 1: living under a rock.
Speaker 2: Dalia threw down in several scenes with Ita, and the
Speaker 2: two women gave each other a full permission to really
Speaker 2: truly slap the shit out of each other, closely choreographing
Speaker 2: where their hands would land.
Speaker 1: Sitalia, we slapped each other so hard that our jaws
Speaker 1: almost almost almost came off.
Speaker 2: I mean, between both of these fights, our girl likes
Speaker 2: to take a punch, like she likes to be hurt.
Speaker 2: Now I understand the lyrics for the first song, and
Speaker 2: now that's some pat shit and we don't have time
Speaker 2: to get into the story. But it's also worth noting
Speaker 2: Dalia got bitten by a monkey while filming this show.
Speaker 2: And listen, we love a queen who will bleed for
Speaker 2: their art.
Speaker 1: You mean, got rabies for their art.
Speaker 2: Look a little rabies is worth it when you're reaching
Speaker 2: all of Latin America, parts of the Middle East, Europe,
Speaker 2: and East Asia. Fun fact, one of the biggest fan
Speaker 2: bases for Marimar. The second show in the trilogy was
Speaker 2: the Philippines. Dalia even went on a tour of East
Speaker 2: Asia in the early nineties, and fans swarmed her for autographs.
Speaker 2: She was even invited to meet the country's president.
Speaker 1: Dang so like. Dalia told the president of Fela Visa
Speaker 1: that she wanted to be world famous in nineteen eighty eight, and.
Speaker 2: Five years later she did it, and she was still
Speaker 2: releasing music even as she was working eighteen hour production days.
Speaker 2: But even as the music went on, the heartbreak that
Speaker 2: Dalia went to Spain to escape would look awfully small
Speaker 2: compared to what was coming. Let's rewind a bit. Remember
Speaker 2: why Talia skipped out of Mexico City for Spain in
Speaker 2: the first place. Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: The press was coming after her. Things reading complicated with
Speaker 1: her Silver Fox Boo and collaborator Alfredo Diaz Ordas.
Speaker 2: Right about that complication. One of the questions the press
Speaker 2: loved at Tahlia was about Ordas popping the question.
Speaker 1: Art imitates life, y'all, and Talia's life was dramatico no
Speaker 1: tucking dogs or poison.
Speaker 2: Though Ordas had indeed asked Talia to be his bride
Speaker 2: after the release of her self titled debut, and you
Speaker 2: can guess how Dalia responded, Yeah, you.
Speaker 1: Don't skip town on a girls trip because you want
Speaker 1: to show off the rock on your finger.
Speaker 2: Still, Dalia's situationship with Ordaz continued despite her rejecting him,
Speaker 2: as did their professional partnership. Dalia's sophomore album, nineteen ninety
Speaker 2: one's Mono dec Gristal, was entirely produced by Urdas.
Speaker 1: The album kept two things going from Talia's debut, the
Speaker 1: iconic pop rock sound and the resounding success the album's
Speaker 1: lead single, Soulor broke the top ten in Mexico El
Speaker 1: Sa Lalor and Latin radio stations based in Hollywood.
Speaker 2: With Mundo de Cristal World of Glass, Dalia again netted
Speaker 2: a gold certified album, but it would be her last
Speaker 2: album working with Ordaz because a couple years later, in
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety four, her world was shattered.
Speaker 1: In the two years that followed Mundo de Cristal's release,
Speaker 1: or Doaz again popped a question, and this time she
Speaker 1: said yes.
Speaker 2: But it wasn't meant to be Ordas had been fighting
Speaker 2: a battle with liver cancer caused by complications from hepatitis,
Speaker 2: and while working on the second entry in the Mariaz trilogy,
Speaker 2: Marie mad Balia received word that her fiancee had died.
Speaker 1: Dalia would share in an interview that upon hearing the news,
Speaker 1: her soul was detached from her body, yet somehow she
Speaker 1: kept on working.
Speaker 2: Apart from finishing out the madai Est trilogy, she recorded
Speaker 2: a third album, nineteen ninety three's Love and poured her
Speaker 2: grief into a trap dedicated toward of that sung you know, I.
Speaker 1: Kind of feel like if I was in the situation where,
Speaker 1: you know, I had just lost someone, I think I
Speaker 1: would definitely bury myself in work. I think that's who
Speaker 1: I am.
Speaker 2: I completely agree. I don't think that you would be
Speaker 2: one to kind of like couch raw with Emily and
Speaker 2: Paris playing in the background. I feel like you would
Speaker 2: be doing so much. You'd be doing the most to
Speaker 2: create a distraction from the pain and trauma.
Speaker 1: But like, you know, here's the thing, I think that
Speaker 1: sometimes people could see that as not caring. Yes, and
Speaker 1: it's not that I don't care. I care so much,
Speaker 1: but it's just, you know, I like for people. I
Speaker 1: wonder if people talk shit about Bellah because you know,
Speaker 1: she was just doing doing more and more, and it's like, dude,
Speaker 1: your fiance just died. Bro, Like do you care?
Speaker 2: I am going to say this and I say it
Speaker 2: all the time. Grieving does not look the same for everybody.
Speaker 2: And this idea that people should do this or do
Speaker 2: that to grieve or feel is like, just focus on you, boo,
Speaker 2: focus on you.
Speaker 1: It's so hard. So so it is focusing on you.
Speaker 1: But how do you bring that bad bitch energy when
Speaker 1: you're when you're grieving, Like, how do you do it?
Speaker 2: Maybe you just channel it all into the art. Maybe
Speaker 2: it becomes even more deeply personal and healing in a way.
Speaker 2: I think you just have to work. I mean, I
Speaker 2: think that's what separates like, you know, an artist from
Speaker 2: an icon, Like she goes down in these people's lives
Speaker 2: and you never know it.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I always think about that, like.
Speaker 1: Damn, that was good what you said.
Speaker 2: You know, Like what happens when Taylor Swift is having
Speaker 2: a bad day? Like what happens when like Travis like
Speaker 2: goes missing and does a text her back that night?
Speaker 2: She's kissed, but she has to go up on stage
Speaker 2: and she's still got to perform.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they can't.
Speaker 2: They cannot have a bad day. They can't have a
Speaker 2: bad day.
Speaker 1: Dalia's tribute to her late fiance was the lead single
Speaker 1: off of Love. It was one of her highest chart toppers, yet.
Speaker 2: So was the album Proper, which exceeded her earlier LP
Speaker 2: success in Mexico and benefited from Talia's version in global audience.
Speaker 2: Case in point, the album went gold in the Philippines
Speaker 2: and the theme song to Maria Mercedes, sung by Talia,
Speaker 2: was added to later editions of the album.
Speaker 1: All Talias Telenovela's theme songs were certified bops and they've
Speaker 1: got the chart history to prove it. But still to
Speaker 1: reach true global superstardom, Dalia had a bit more climbing
Speaker 1: to do, and in.
Speaker 2: Nineteen ninety five, at the Acapulco Music Festival, she would
Speaker 2: meet the man who would help her do it, none
Speaker 2: other than Emilio Estefan. At the time, Talia had wrapped
Speaker 2: up her contract with Fonovisa de la Visa's record label.
Speaker 1: Emilia was taken with Elia's friendliness and kindness and with
Speaker 1: her voice. He told her, if someday a record company
Speaker 1: signs you, I promise I'll do at least two songs
Speaker 1: for you.
Speaker 2: A few months later, Dalia signed with none other than
Speaker 2: EMI International, Home to Selena, among others. And that's when
Speaker 2: Emilio received a phone.
Speaker 1: Call for fun these can we say that he and
Speaker 1: Gloria were lying asleep at the huge Miami mcmanson next
Speaker 1: to an infinity pool.
Speaker 2: I think this predates infinity pools because it's the nineties,
Speaker 2: but okay, we can go with it. So Emilio gropes
Speaker 2: for the phone, and the voice on the other end
Speaker 2: makes him sit bold upright.
Speaker 1: It's Yolanda Sodi, the Yolanda Sodi.
Speaker 2: And she told him my girls on a major and
Speaker 2: you've got a promise to keep.
Speaker 1: That's next time, I'm Becoming an Icon.
Speaker 2: On the next Becoming an Icon, Dalia's skyrockets to the top,
Speaker 2: stays there and finds new love.
Speaker 1: But like a telenovela, it only gets crazier from there.
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