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Speaker 2: Oh, Jojo coming in hot today, I wasn't ready.

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Speaker 1: Do you use me? It's Jose Antonio and then come

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Speaker 1: How do you bring that bad bitch energy to a

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Speaker 2: Well? What kind of bad bitch are we being? Are

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Speaker 1: That's good. And also here's the thing, like, so what

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Speaker 2: Girl or oh yeah, I feel like you have to

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Speaker 2: So I think whether you need it, I mean, okay,

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Speaker 2: Now we don't actually know that she sat on the desk,

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Speaker 1: Moves, honey, make them feel like you're sitting on their

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Speaker 2: It is indeed giving boss, bitch, And after starring in

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Speaker 1: This rising star showed no signs of slowing, so Delivisa

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Speaker 1: assistant Rosita, I'm going to need you to book this

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Speaker 2: As an actor and a singer, Dalia had maxed out

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Speaker 2: So Dalia spent much of nineteen eighty nine in la

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Speaker 1: Because when you bring out your inner bad bitch, you

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Speaker 1: And I'm Joseph Carrio and this is Becoming an Icon.

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Speaker 2: A weekly podcast where we give you the rundown on

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Speaker 2: how today's most famous LATINV stars have shaped pop culture.

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Speaker 2: Dhalia's self titled solo debut was a buzzworthy affair. Before

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Speaker 1: Salucelo razrunyao yerrelo, gosas lololo enojate or yallo.

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Speaker 1: As production on the album neared completion, Dalia and Ordaz

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Speaker 2: We've said it before, we will say it forever. Fame

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Speaker 1: But as we've also said before, Dahlia wasn't alone. Your Landa,

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Speaker 1: But not long after that, Dalia's relationship with our dogs

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Speaker 2: It's nineteen ninety one and Dalia's mother receives.

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Speaker 1: A phone call, well can we say for funzies that

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Speaker 2: Tatpath Yes, sure, Okay, It's nineteen ninety one. Dalia and

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Speaker 1: Dalia and Yulanda joel to wake and sit up, pill

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Speaker 1: Melodramatic romance check plot twist like amnesia and an evil

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Speaker 2: Valentine was a Chilean producer of more than sixty such telenovelas,

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Speaker 1: These three telenovelas were each inspired by Cinderella. So poor

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Speaker 2: And for Joseph to call something Craig Gray, you know

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Speaker 2: Aka Dalia's own hashtag goals. Dalia immediately said yes, when

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Speaker 1: Okay, gay, she's too young to please Cinderella, but she's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and parade around? Excuse me? When did my co

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Speaker 1: Don't get interested. I'm here for the parading. What I'm

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Speaker 2: I mean, I am not here for men making decisions

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Speaker 2: because one day that the le Visa president got a

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Speaker 1: Or for funzies. Can we say he was trying to

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Speaker 2: I mean, we just went from Cinderella to madmis so

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Speaker 2: The Valentine Peinstein, the Man, the Myth, the Legend, and

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Speaker 2: mister Beamestein convinced Askataga to let the Lia star in

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Speaker 2: the first novella of the trilogy, Maria Mercedes, the.

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Speaker 1: Story of a poor girl supporting her broken family by

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Speaker 2: Dahlia basically threw her life into the production of this show.

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Speaker 1: Dang Theyan't got no sad in Mexico.

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Speaker 2: No for real. Dalia even rented a house across the

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Speaker 1: This all sounds like a hard hitting Hollywood Reporter article or.

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Speaker 2: Another podcast add it to the list. iHeart to be clear,

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Speaker 2: very few people can actually survive or work like this.

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Speaker 2: Under most circumstances, this would feel untenable. But when you're young,

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Speaker 1: True, and Dahlia did have the right mix of people. Specifically,

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Speaker 1: she got to work with her big sister. That's right,

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Speaker 2: Laura Sabatta, Dalia's original inspo, played the evil stepmother to

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Speaker 1: Let's watch one right now.

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Speaker 2: Auviy okay, So let's set the stage. First. Of all,

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Speaker 2: The clothes. I will never forget this French's mustard yellow suit.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, away she pulls up those raggety sleep.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, but she's not messing around. They are about

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Speaker 1: Oh she does and they're slapping each other and it's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Maria Mercedis is synonymous with a slap

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Speaker 1: Oh sh keep my wife's name out your mouth slapping.

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Speaker 2: They should have watched this before. They're big moment at

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Speaker 2: the Oscars. According to Dahlia, she and her sister would

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Speaker 1: Dang, thank got no iatzi in Mexico.

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Speaker 2: Seriously, though, big ups to whoever was holding the boom

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Speaker 2: mic through all of that. According to Talia, though it

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Speaker 1: According to the actor who played Dalia's love interest, arthurro Pnicice,

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Speaker 1: Dalia loved to have lunch at a seafood restaurant close

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Speaker 2: The day of their very first kiss scene, Dalia went

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Speaker 2: soul brat and ate fish with extra garlic sauce, purely

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Speaker 2: to troll arturo When arturo Ka went to this, he

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Speaker 2: staged a counter attack by snarping down a red onion

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Speaker 1: That was our first on screen kiss.

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Speaker 2: Well, in the show, Maria doesn't want to kiss Josse Luise,

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Speaker 1: Wow. Tele novela magic y'all. Maria Mercedez would become an

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Speaker 1: instant hit in Mexico and was broadcast in one hundred

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Speaker 1: different countries. Cut to President Askaraga calling out Valentine.

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Speaker 2: Pinstein, Askataga simply told Pimstein two words, all three, and

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Speaker 2: I mean that is so classic. They're like, we don't

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Speaker 2: Just get me another soundstage. The show is remembered for

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Speaker 1: You mean the movie with the talking babies?

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Speaker 2: No, The sequel to the sequel with the talking dogs.

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Speaker 1: Ugh, wait, you mean the movie where the two dogs

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Speaker 1: You know what, Let's just stick to Dalia girl.

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Speaker 2: Great call. Next in the trilogy, Maria la del Barrio

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Speaker 2: storrying Talia as a poor girl wearing a homemade jughead crown. Yes,

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Speaker 2: like jughead from the Archie copics. Just roll with it,

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Speaker 2: you guys. I promise I am not trolling you and

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Speaker 2: making this up. I promise this is actual facts, like

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Speaker 2: you can google this. Okay. So this is Dalia as

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Speaker 1: But more importantly, it featured La Rena Itati Cantrel as

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Speaker 2: My aka the notorious iconic. Positively a that shit scene

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Speaker 1: The story is bananas and we love it for that

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Speaker 2: Dalia threw down in several scenes with Ita, and the

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Speaker 1: Sitalia, we slapped each other so hard that our jaws

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Speaker 2: I mean, between both of these fights, our girl likes

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Speaker 2: Now I understand the lyrics for the first song, and

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Speaker 2: now that's some pat shit and we don't have time

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Speaker 2: And listen, we love a queen who will bleed for

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Speaker 1: You mean, got rabies for their art.

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Speaker 1: Dang so like. Dalia told the president of Fela Visa

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Speaker 2: Five years later she did it, and she was still

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Speaker 2: But even as the music went on, the heartbreak that

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Speaker 1: The press was coming after her. Things reading complicated with

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Speaker 2: Right about that complication. One of the questions the press

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Speaker 1: Art imitates life, y'all, and Talia's life was dramatico no

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Speaker 2: Though Ordas had indeed asked Talia to be his bride

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Speaker 1: The album kept two things going from Talia's debut, the

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Speaker 2: With Mundo de Cristal World of Glass, Dalia again netted

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Speaker 1: I am.

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Speaker 2: I completely agree. I don't think that you would be

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Speaker 2: one to kind of like couch raw with Emily and

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Speaker 2: Paris playing in the background. I feel like you would

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Speaker 2: be doing so much. You'd be doing the most to

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Speaker 2: create a distraction from the pain and trauma.

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Speaker 1: But like, you know, here's the thing, I think that

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Speaker 1: sometimes people could see that as not caring. Yes, and

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Speaker 1: it's not that I don't care. I care so much,

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Speaker 1: but it's just, you know, I like for people. I

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Speaker 1: wonder if people talk shit about Bellah because you know,

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Speaker 1: she was just doing doing more and more, and it's like, dude,

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Speaker 1: your fiance just died. Bro, Like do you care?

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Speaker 2: I am going to say this and I say it

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Speaker 2: all the time. Grieving does not look the same for everybody.

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Speaker 2: And this idea that people should do this or do

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Speaker 2: that to grieve or feel is like, just focus on you, boo,

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Speaker 2: focus on you.

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Speaker 1: It's so hard. So so it is focusing on you.

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Speaker 1: But how do you bring that bad bitch energy when

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Speaker 1: you're when you're grieving, Like, how do you do it?

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Speaker 2: Maybe you just channel it all into the art. Maybe

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Speaker 2: it becomes even more deeply personal and healing in a way.

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Speaker 2: I think you just have to work. I mean, I

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Speaker 2: think that's what separates like, you know, an artist from

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Speaker 2: an icon, Like she goes down in these people's lives

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Speaker 2: and you never know it.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: I always think about that, like.

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Speaker 1: Damn, that was good what you said.

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Speaker 2: You know, Like what happens when Taylor Swift is having

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Speaker 2: a bad day? Like what happens when like Travis like

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Speaker 2: goes missing and does a text her back that night?

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Speaker 2: She's kissed, but she has to go up on stage

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Speaker 2: and she's still got to perform.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they can't.

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Speaker 2: They cannot have a bad day. They can't have a

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Speaker 2: bad day.

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Speaker 1: Dalia's tribute to her late fiance was the lead single

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Speaker 1: off of Love. It was one of her highest chart toppers, yet.

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Speaker 2: So was the album Proper, which exceeded her earlier LP

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Speaker 2: success in Mexico and benefited from Talia's version in global audience.

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Speaker 2: Case in point, the album went gold in the Philippines

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Speaker 2: and the theme song to Maria Mercedes, sung by Talia,

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Speaker 2: was added to later editions of the album.

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Speaker 1: All Talias Telenovela's theme songs were certified bops and they've

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Speaker 1: got the chart history to prove it. But still to

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Speaker 1: reach true global superstardom, Dalia had a bit more climbing

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Speaker 1: to do, and in.

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Speaker 2: Nineteen ninety five, at the Acapulco Music Festival, she would

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Speaker 2: meet the man who would help her do it, none

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Speaker 2: other than Emilio Estefan. At the time, Talia had wrapped

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Speaker 2: up her contract with Fonovisa de la Visa's record label.

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Speaker 1: Emilia was taken with Elia's friendliness and kindness and with

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Speaker 1: her voice. He told her, if someday a record company

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Speaker 1: signs you, I promise I'll do at least two songs

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Speaker 1: for you.

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Speaker 2: A few months later, Dalia signed with none other than

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Speaker 2: EMI International, Home to Selena, among others. And that's when

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Speaker 2: Emilio received a phone.

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Speaker 1: Call for fun these can we say that he and

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Speaker 1: Gloria were lying asleep at the huge Miami mcmanson next

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Speaker 1: to an infinity pool.

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Speaker 2: I think this predates infinity pools because it's the nineties,

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Speaker 2: but okay, we can go with it. So Emilio gropes

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Speaker 2: for the phone, and the voice on the other end

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Speaker 2: makes him sit bold upright.

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Speaker 1: It's Yolanda Sodi, the Yolanda Sodi.

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Speaker 2: And she told him my girls on a major and

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Speaker 2: you've got a promise to keep.

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Speaker 1: That's next time, I'm Becoming an Icon.

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Speaker 2: On the next Becoming an Icon, Dalia's skyrockets to the top,

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Speaker 2: stays there and finds new love.

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Speaker 1: But like a telenovela, it only gets crazier from there.

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Speaker 2: Becoming an Icon is presented by Sonoo and Iheart'smichael Durda

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