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Speaker 1: Welcome in everybody to Fantasy Pros MLB. This is the

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Speaker 1: Fantasy Baseball Podcast. It is me, Joey p joe Pisapa

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Speaker 1: with me of course is the Welsh and we are

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Speaker 1: continuing our guides here. We're going around the infield. Second

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Speaker 1: base is today and boyle boy, we got one of

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Speaker 1: our favorite guests here is, of course Chris Towers from

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Speaker 1: Fantasy Baseball Today, you know from the CBS side, one

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Speaker 1: of our many friends here in the industry, and we

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Speaker 1: appreciate having him here on this show. Towers, you and

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Speaker 1: I are East Coasters and we are hating life right now.

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Speaker 1: It was six degrees yesterday and you told me on

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Speaker 1: the weekend you went outside to get some food, and

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Speaker 1: you think it was the worst decision you've ever made

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Speaker 1: in your entire life.

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Speaker 2: So I'm from Miami originally, so like the coldest temperature

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Speaker 2: May at one point it was like in the twenties somehow,

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Speaker 2: So that was pretty bad. But like I think the

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Speaker 2: last four weeks or so, I have experienced the coldest

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Speaker 2: temperature of my life. Four separate occasions. And I think

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Speaker 2: it's like a five minute walk. And even that, I

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Speaker 2: unbelievably miserable over he has.

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Speaker 1: Indeed, of course Welsh has seventy four degrees.

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Speaker 3: Shot your things, shut it well twenty five and we'll

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Speaker 3: be having baseball. That's happening in a day or two.

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Speaker 3: As people are watching this, baseball camps will be opening up.

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Speaker 3: I will be out wearing shorts and your favorite sands.

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Speaker 3: I'm a big Sandals guy out here. Seventy four to

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Speaker 1: Well, Chris Tower's here to help us, of course, in

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Speaker 1: our series of the Ultimate Guides, and today is second Base.

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Speaker 1: And if you missed any of the Ultimate Guys, you

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Speaker 1: can go back and watch them. They're gona be a

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Speaker 1: playlist for you to get caught up on all of

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Speaker 1: your draft knowledge here, because we know the off season

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Speaker 1: is an off season for most of you, not for us,

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Speaker 1: but for some of you who are watching, So we're

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Speaker 1: gonna get you caught up on all the positions here,

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Speaker 1: one at a time. Towers. When I say second base

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Speaker 1: to you, who is your favorite second basement of all time?

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Speaker 1: Who pops in your head? Do you have one from childhood?

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Speaker 1: Like for me in the eighties, I was a big

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Speaker 1: Ryan Sandberg guy. I thought he was just cool in

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Speaker 1: to go to dinner at my grandmother's house or something

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Speaker 1: like that, and he kept hitting home runs and I

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Speaker 1: was like, no, I want to watch his game because

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Speaker 1: Ryan Sandberg keeps kidding home runs every time he gets

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Speaker 1: up Edgardo Alfonso in the late nineties was one for

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Speaker 1: me too. Who's your like go to second base guy

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Speaker 2: So the thing for me, the answer to this question,

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Speaker 2: Luis Casio, Luis Castillo. When I think about like a

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Speaker 2: second basement, a number two hitter, is that is exactly

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Speaker 2: you know? We had this conversation about leadoff hitters on

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Speaker 2: leadoff hitters. And for me, like I know, Jan Pierre

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Speaker 2: is not the best leadoff hitter of all time. I know,

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Speaker 2: like you know, Joey Vado put him in the leadoff spot.

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Speaker 2: That dude's gonna put up be four fifty OVP every year.

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Speaker 2: I understand that. But for me, leadoff hitters are guys

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Speaker 2: Jan Pierre was on the two thousand and three Marlins,

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Speaker 2: and it's the same thing with second base. Luis Castillo,

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Speaker 2: to throw you anything in the zone anyway. Luis Castillo,

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Speaker 2: if we had average EGXA velossies back in the early

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Speaker 3: And like Luisa Rise, he would have been like a Louis,

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Speaker 2: I think he had like a ninety four walk season,

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Speaker 2: So Luis Castillo underrated player. That's my second We'll.

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Speaker 1: See if we can find a second basement here in

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Speaker 1: the current MLB crop that gets Chris Towers as excited

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Speaker 1: fantasypros dot com consensus rankings for the second base position,

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Speaker 1: starting off with the top five. Yere Jazz chishm at

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Speaker 1: the top, can Tell Marte at two, No surprise there.

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Speaker 1: I actually like Marte better than Chishom. Hot take there,

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Speaker 1: and talk about Bryce Terrang here as the number three guy.

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Speaker 1: I think you have some reservations about that, So let's

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Speaker 3: Months he played, he had two or less homers in

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Speaker 3: but I don't believe the power is necessarily sustainable with

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Speaker 3: And I think that's a lot of My big argument

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Speaker 3: Fantasy Pros with an overall ranking of forty nine. Here's

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Speaker 3: think this is just a lot built around people hating

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Speaker 3: but he does on Yahoo. He would be my third

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Speaker 1: talk about the guy that you want to discuss in

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Speaker 1: this grouping here, because last year I was not in

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Speaker 1: not a lot of power. Stolen bases are easier to

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Speaker 1: chasing the fifty steels just for Terrang? But that hard

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Speaker 2: I'm mostly by it, and part of it is just

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Speaker 2: I look at Bryce Terrang. He's been I think a

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Speaker 2: and he's done it with completely different skill sets. Right,

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Speaker 2: And we didn't see that until the second half. And

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00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:35,560
Speaker 2: then he has a fractured hamdmate, which is scary that

433
00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:38,840
Speaker 2: we've had the two hand slash wrist injuries the past

434
00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:42,040
Speaker 2: two years. Obviously seeing the wrist injury. You know, he's

435
00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:45,040
Speaker 2: the way he struggled to come back from that Hamdmate

436
00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:47,880
Speaker 2: bones I think are less concerning than risk because it's

437
00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:51,040
Speaker 2: not about the bone itself healing. They just remove it.

438
00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:55,040
Speaker 2: They get it out. It's extraneous. What's the there's a

439
00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:57,840
Speaker 2: term I don't know, like you like your appendix, you

440
00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:00,280
Speaker 2: don't really need it, the hamaate bone and so you know,

441
00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:03,439
Speaker 2: they get it out. That should fix the issue. And

442
00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:07,720
Speaker 2: I'm tempted to rank him even higher than I do.

443
00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:10,560
Speaker 2: I have him eight, one spot behind Jackson Holiday and

444
00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:15,639
Speaker 2: the overall rankings. If I was convinced Ozzy Alby's was

445
00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:18,720
Speaker 2: just who he was pre twenty twenty four, which is

446
00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:22,320
Speaker 2: what we started to see last summer, I think i'd

447
00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:26,399
Speaker 2: rank him six at the lowest, maybe top five. So

448
00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:30,760
Speaker 2: I'm pretty much there. I think, you know, famous last words.

449
00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:32,040
Speaker 2: The last couple of years, I think we're going to

450
00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:35,640
Speaker 2: see a bounce back from the Brave's lineup overall, and

451
00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:37,200
Speaker 2: I think Ozzie Alby's is going to be a big

452
00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:37,560
Speaker 2: part of that.

453
00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:39,920
Speaker 1: Well, it's hard to imagine the Braves being worse. Was

454
00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:42,120
Speaker 1: the word you're looking for a vestigial.

455
00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:43,200
Speaker 2: Or yeah, yeah, that's it.

456
00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:44,359
Speaker 1: That's it. There you go.

457
00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:45,399
Speaker 2: I think the Hammguel.

458
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Speaker 1: I'm going to Jeopardy next week. Kids, That's where I'm going.

459
00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,680
Speaker 1: So between Albi's and Holiday, We've got one for Team

460
00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:54,240
Speaker 1: Holiday in the Welsh one for Ozzy Alby's. Like, I

461
00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:56,760
Speaker 1: think there's value in both. Holiday being cheaper is interesting

462
00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:58,959
Speaker 1: to me. But the upside of a guy who you know,

463
00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:01,520
Speaker 1: can have, you know, twenty five homer, one hundred rbi

464
00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:04,280
Speaker 1: hundred runs scored seasons. I just expect the Braves to

465
00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:05,879
Speaker 1: bounce back to why because I'm a Mets fan and

466
00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:07,439
Speaker 1: I know better, and I know the Braves are not

467
00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:09,639
Speaker 1: going to be bad for long. It's just to believe me.

468
00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:13,439
Speaker 1: It's the tale of my lifetime. But what troubles me

469
00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:15,919
Speaker 1: tours is like this is supposed to be peak years, right,

470
00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,320
Speaker 1: He's twenty nine, like twenty eight to thirty one. That's

471
00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:21,359
Speaker 1: that's like the prime of a player, and these years

472
00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:23,640
Speaker 1: have not been kind to him. I understand the injuries,

473
00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,240
Speaker 1: but the performance has not been what we need to be.

474
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Speaker 1: But that's okay because you could take all this knowledge

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Speaker 1: which we love here always, you get to see if

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Speaker 1: Chris Towers likes your draft, if he gave you a

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490
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Speaker 1: this next tier of second basement guys thirteen through twenty four.

491
00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:10,080
Speaker 1: And the guy I want to start with here is

492
00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:12,280
Speaker 1: right kind of near the top. Jordan Westbrook's at thirteen.

493
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:16,200
Speaker 1: Marcus Simon is next at fourteen. Welsh, I want to

494
00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:17,919
Speaker 1: get your take on Simeon for a second, because this

495
00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:20,359
Speaker 1: was a player a couple of years ago who found

496
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Speaker 1: himself at the very top of this board at this

497
00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:25,440
Speaker 1: position for a few years. Steady, Eddie, we're talking about

498
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:27,760
Speaker 1: a guy, you know, forty five home runs, twenty six

499
00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:29,520
Speaker 1: some runs, twenty nine home runs, and then even twenty

500
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:31,280
Speaker 1: twenty four a down year with the batting average, but

501
00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:34,040
Speaker 1: he's still at twenty three homers. The RBI totals were

502
00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:37,080
Speaker 1: hovering somewhere between eighty and one hundred. Last year, things

503
00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:40,200
Speaker 1: really declined greatly for him. He is at thirty five.

504
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,120
Speaker 1: Is it a change of scenery thing where we get

505
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:46,440
Speaker 1: false hope or is Marcus Simeon actually low key a

506
00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:50,159
Speaker 1: really interesting play in this newly revamped Mets lined up

507
00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:50,879
Speaker 1: in this new spot.

508
00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:53,679
Speaker 3: I kind of think he's an interesting play. I mean,

509
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:58,200
Speaker 3: everything you talked about with Ozzie Albi's sans the age.

510
00:22:57,960 --> 00:22:59,800
Speaker 1: Of course, the five year as six year as.

511
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, they got like a six year age gap, of course,

512
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,440
Speaker 3: But like if I did the same, like, well, if

513
00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,200
Speaker 3: I got sub twenty twenty four and it's like okay,

514
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 3: then you're back into like close to double digit. I mean,

515
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,120
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four was a little bad with twenty three,

516
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:15,000
Speaker 3: twenty nine homers, fourteen stolen bases, two seventy six. Like,

517
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 3: that's interesting. I think one of the biggest reasons I

518
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 3: think you can have that discussion with Marcus Simeon is

519
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,480
Speaker 3: if you go to look, especially if you go into

520
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 3: Baseball Savant and you start to dig around and you

521
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,439
Speaker 3: go to pinpoint, you'd be like, all right, he's getting older,

522
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:33,200
Speaker 3: fallen knife syndrome. What's the stuff, Let's see it. Guess

523
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:37,040
Speaker 3: what it's roughly, I mean, barrel percentage within point zero two.

524
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:39,480
Speaker 3: His hard hit rate, I mean across the board. You

525
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,240
Speaker 3: start looking statistically and you're like, well, what's the thing

526
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,600
Speaker 3: that made him a lot worse? Did he strike out

527
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,400
Speaker 3: more still seventeen percent? Did he hit the ball less

528
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,120
Speaker 3: hard still one ten? His average TV was actually better

529
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,160
Speaker 3: than the year before, got the ball in the air

530
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:55,480
Speaker 3: even more, hard hit rate almost the I mean, it's

531
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,119
Speaker 3: all about the same, especially like pitch types two. So

532
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,720
Speaker 3: I think the verse version of his game is still there.

533
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:03,880
Speaker 3: Now you're going to go put him in an environment

534
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,399
Speaker 3: where he's going to be hitting around Soto, which I

535
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 3: think is really good. Like and then the biggest discrepancy

536
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,359
Speaker 3: between if I want to play this game of Ozzi

537
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:16,200
Speaker 3: Alby's versus Marcus Simeon is cost I mean, Marcus Ozzi

538
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 3: Alby's is going seven eight something like that. Marcus Simeon

539
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 3: is outside the top twelve. He's at fourteen right now.

540
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 3: Some are going to have him a little bit higher.

541
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 3: So I think, like from a cost base perspective, he's

542
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 3: like a really good potential buy. I don't have big expectations,

543
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,640
Speaker 3: but if he hit twenty five homers, stole eight base

544
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 3: or twenty homers eight to ten stolen bases, got that

545
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 3: batting average back up to two fifty two six, he

546
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,159
Speaker 3: probably scores a bunch of runs. Or if he's going

547
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,120
Speaker 3: to be put in a late I mean, because Marcus

548
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 3: Simeon was like always famously hitting like two one or

549
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 3: two or something like that. If he's to hit there,

550
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 3: I mean, then you're gonna have a ton of run opportunities.

551
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 3: If he's hitting behind, there's a bunch of RBI opportunities.

552
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 3: I just think, with like the baseline skill set still

553
00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,479
Speaker 3: being there, there's one hundred percent of falling knife syndrome

554
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,440
Speaker 3: because of his age. But I just don't see the

555
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 3: decline where I would say, like, well, I'm firmly avoiding

556
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 3: him when he's like the fourteenth second basement off the board.

557
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 3: So I think I am actually I have some interest

558
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 3: because the position is kind of weak. I clearly don't

559
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 3: want to reach for. I don't like the reaching for.

560
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,879
Speaker 3: There's some guys in the top ten. Nico Horner. I

561
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,119
Speaker 3: think we always kind of like overreach four. I've got

562
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,119
Speaker 3: a guy on my bus. I'm gonna play like I

563
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 3: want to find some of the value. And I think

564
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 3: Simeon is definitely one of those just relative value plays.

565
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:31,200
Speaker 3: It doesn't cost a lot, and if he fails, well,

566
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 3: you know he was the fourteenth second basement. There's probably

567
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,399
Speaker 3: going to be similar production on the wire, like what

568
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 3: did you really pass up? So I think I'm I'm

569
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:39,679
Speaker 3: kind of a buy into Marcus sime Yeah, I.

570
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:41,919
Speaker 2: Think it's a mild by. And then the thing I

571
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:43,399
Speaker 2: always like to look at when you're talking about a

572
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 2: player as they get into their mid thirties, is are

573
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 2: the signs of aging there? And the bat speed is

574
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 2: basically identical the last three seasons, the sprint speed basically identical.

575
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,880
Speaker 2: He's still a super impactful defensive player. I'm not saying

576
00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:03,159
Speaker 2: that there's no signs of decline. And you know Simeon's

577
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 2: margin for error always felt pretty slim, which is why

578
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 2: we had some you know, the forty five homer season

579
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 2: where he had an eight seventy two OPS followed by

580
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,959
Speaker 2: a seven thirty three OPS where he hits nineteen fewer homers,

581
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 2: Like that's always kind of been there for Simeon. I

582
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,159
Speaker 2: don't think there's a huge upside here. But yeah, I

583
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,680
Speaker 2: don't think there's been this total collapse that the numbers

584
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 2: or his price would make you think. I think he

585
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:28,399
Speaker 2: can still be a top one hundred ish player. If not,

586
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 2: you know, a superstar where.

587
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:31,919
Speaker 1: He hits in the lineup is gonna be interesting too.

588
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 1: The latest projection I see for the Mets is he's

589
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 1: hitting in the five hole, which I like. It's a

590
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 1: big rb I spop potentially, especially when you've got guys

591
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 1: hitting ahead of you like Wan Soda getting on fast.

592
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,199
Speaker 1: Look like shit right now. The projected lineup that I

593
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,160
Speaker 1: see on fangrafts that you're looking as Lindor Sodo, Bishett

594
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,879
Speaker 1: Polanco four, Simon five, which I tend to think is

595
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,919
Speaker 1: probably likely at least out of the gate. I know

596
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:55,879
Speaker 1: Polanco's a player we talk in a second. But the

597
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 1: other point I wanted to make real quick. Wel Is.

598
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 1: The Rangers lineup last year also not good. You know,

599
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:05,120
Speaker 1: collectively you always have Corey Seeger missing, you know, sixty games,

600
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 1: that's just what he does every year. Garcia was not good.

601
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 1: Why A Langford came on strong more towards the end.

602
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 1: You had Jake Berger was you know, dreadful. For the

603
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 1: beginning of the year, Jock Peterson was awful. Like all

604
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,440
Speaker 1: these pieces that were supposed to be like big intimidating lineup,

605
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 1: they sucked just like like analysis, Yeah, the analysis doesn't

606
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 1: have to be deeper. They sucked collectively as a group

607
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 1: last year. And I think it kind of took its

608
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 1: toll on Simeon as well, because if guys aren't protecting

609
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:31,879
Speaker 1: you and guys aren't getting on in front of you,

610
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 1: it's it's not gonna help when you have, as Chris

611
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 1: point out Chris Towers, that is a thin margin of

612
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 1: success potentially.

613
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,640
Speaker 3: I think everybody if it's Welsh.

614
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,159
Speaker 1: Well, I guess I just want to everybody else for

615
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 1: the first time, everybody else.

616
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 3: Gets Chris, I'm Welsh, you know. And also if you

617
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 3: want to kind of narrative this, there was also the

618
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 3: whole thing of like Marcus Simeon and Corey Seger not

619
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,920
Speaker 3: getting along. There was like a really big team morale

620
00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 3: kind of issue. Marcus Simeon, according to Multiple Play, was

621
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 3: trying to kind of push this up. So it's just

622
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 3: like a lot of weird stuff going on and whatever

623
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 3: the case may be. I kind of forgot, like because

624
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 3: I was thinking, well, there's a scenario where like, you know,

625
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 3: Sodo could hit three and Simmy could hit two, but

626
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 3: Bashett is like that, He's a classic.

627
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you have to have a protection for Soda.

628
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 1: I think you have to have Baschette behind Sodo. You

629
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 1: have to have somebody probably.

630
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 2: It does you know, somebody four or five?

631
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 3: Four or five For Simmy, it's just like a really

632
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:24,120
Speaker 3: really good five.

633
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 4: Five.

634
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 1: It's just like no pressure on my feel. Five is

635
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 1: like idea for me and for Simon.

636
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 3: Costs to get in the door.

637
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 1: You know.

638
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,159
Speaker 3: Like that's the thing that I really like about this

639
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 3: when the position is kind of poorish and you know,

640
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:37,679
Speaker 3: maybe you do end up. I mean obviously, like this

641
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 3: position is kind of funky too, because this position is

642
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 3: like there's some massive stolen base guys. You know, I

643
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 3: mentioned Nico Horner and Lukeisha like that you can get

644
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 3: a ton of stolen bases, and then you can just

645
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 3: go on the exact opposite end, and it's like there's

646
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 3: these twenty five to thirty potential homer guys out of position,

647
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 3: So you could take it either way. So I suppose

648
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 3: there's like you could screw up directionally where you want

649
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 3: to go by passing up someone else. But is just

650
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 3: like the cost to get in to buy a bounce

651
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 3: back on such a great lineup in front of him,

652
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 3: to me, is worth that and all the other factors.

653
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 3: You know, the ballpark, and you know the weird environment,

654
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 3: the lack of support offensively from the Rangers. Like I

655
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 3: think it's just a good case on why you could

656
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 3: like reinvest back at Marcus Simeon.

657
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 1: All right, so after sending a fourteen, you have Bryson

658
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 1: Stout of fifteen, Labor Torres back with the Tigers at sixteen,

659
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 1: Luis Garcia with Washington at seventeen, then Jorge Polanco at eighteen.

660
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 1: I want to pause here because this is a target

661
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 1: of yours Towers. Obviously, Planco coming off a solid year

662
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 1: the last show we just did on the third base,

663
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 1: I said, he's kind of a value play because he's

664
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 1: so deep in those rankings, and to me, he following

665
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:38,239
Speaker 1: the money, you know he's gonna play. You know he's

666
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 1: gonna hit somewhere towards the middle of that order. Most likely.

667
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: He's coming off one of his best years twenty six

668
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 1: home or seventy at RBI, And to me, like Polonko

669
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 1: was a target of theirs for a reason, So I

670
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 1: think he's a value. And it seems like you agree,

671
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 1: even if it's second base, if it's third base, Polanco

672
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 1: is a target of.

673
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 2: Yours, and he's gonna have first base eligibility sure pretty soon,

674
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 2: so you know that. Obviously, I think you'd rather have

675
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 2: him at second base or third base if he's eligible,

676
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 2: But that flexibility is a nice little bonus as well

677
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 2: if you're looking for a reason to be optimistic. But

678
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 2: I think the biggest thing is just you look at

679
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 2: his track record since twenty twenty one. Let's go by

680
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 2: ops eight twenty six, seven fifty one, seven eighty nine,

681
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 2: six fifty one, eight twenty one. You have this pretty

682
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 2: tight cluster, and then you have twenty twenty four, where

683
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 2: he's coming back from I think he played through a

684
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 2: knee injury all all season had surgery right at the

685
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 2: end of that year. It was it was a real

686
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 2: issue for him. It was also his first year in Seattle,

687
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 2: which we know, Seattle can be just a dreadful place

688
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 2: to hit if you're not used to it, especially some

689
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 2: guys just cannot see the ball there. The batters ie

690
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 2: in Seattle is just a real problem that limits you know,

691
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 2: That's why it's you know, not just because of the dimensions,

692
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 2: but it's by far the best strikeout park in baseball.

693
00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 2: And I don't know if enough people realize that that

694
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 2: is actually the big problem in Seattle for hitters, is

695
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 2: they just you can't see the ball as well, and

696
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 2: so he leaves or he stays in Seattle, he has

697
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 2: the knee surgery.

698
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 1: He's number skewed though overall, Chris, because the rotation is

699
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 1: so good for Seattle too. Was throwing it out there

700
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 1: when you get the overall picture of the numbers, that

701
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: one through five is a really good staff the last

702
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 1: couple of years. But when I agree with you, obviously

703
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 1: the batter's e is a problem. People have complained about it,

704
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 1: But does it get skewed even heavily, more heavily because

705
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 1: of how good that pitching stated.

706
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 2: I think in an ideal world, and I'm not smart

707
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 2: enough to actually do this, but I think in an

708
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 2: ideal world, you would try to model the way pitches

709
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 2: play at certain parts rather than just looking at results,

710
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 2: but based on results. The Mariner's pitchers, all of whom

711
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 2: are very good, also see you know four to five

712
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 2: percent increases in their strikeout rates at home versus on

713
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 2: the road.

714
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 1: So it's that's that's the number I was looking for.

715
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 2: You see it with them as well, Like I think

716
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 2: Luis Castillo was like twenty seven percent at home, twenty

717
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 2: one percent on the road. That's pretty typical for Mariner's pitchers,

718
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 2: and so it's just a a really hard place to hit.

719
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 2: He seemed to get used to it in twenty twenty five.

720
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 2: He was feeling better with the knees. Remember early on

721
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 2: in the season, I think he was just DH only

722
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 2: for the Mariners early on. Then they started mixing him

723
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 2: around to the infield, and I think he's just a

724
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 2: good hitter, you know, not a great one. You know,

725
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 2: you're never going to get a three hundred batting average.

726
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 2: I think for Morheye Polanco, I know he did it

727
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 2: in twenty nineteen I guess, but I think we're past

728
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 2: that point. But what he did last season two sixty

729
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 2: five twenty six homers in that lineup, hitting cleanup behind

730
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 2: Francisco Lindor wan so Too and Boba Schett, I think

731
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 2: one hundred RBI is well within the realm of possibility

732
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 2: for Hari Polanco. I think you're going to get at

733
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 2: least four category production. He'll probably chip in a handful

734
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 2: of steals too. He had six last year, four the

735
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 2: year before. So I think Harray Polanco is just a

736
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 2: really good option at second base, one of the true

737
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 2: reliable fallbacks in a way that I think is going

738
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 2: to make him very valuable. He's actually a top ten

739
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 2: player for me. I think he's just straight up underrated.

740
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 3: Bogman's the same way. Bogman is like incredibly incredibly high

741
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 3: in him as well.

742
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 1: So just throwing that up, I woul yeah, I mean,

743
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: like I would say higher than eighteen for sure, I

744
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: would say top fifteen for me. Is where you guys

745
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 1: start taking the argument absolutely over over Garcia over Torres

746
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 1: Scott is an interesting conversation. And look, even with Simeon,

747
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 1: like you could also look at that and say, you know,

748
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 1: thirty five year old guy, a guy a couple of

749
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: years younger, you know, with the cleanup hitter of the

750
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 1: five hole hitter. But I think run that Polanko the

751
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 1: versatility too.

752
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 2: You get a couple of bites of that apple with that,

753
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 2: with that really good top of the lineup in New York,

754
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 2: because I think that there's definitely.

755
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: That apple exactly. That's yeah, gotta take a bite up,

756
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: all right. Continuing on this list, after Polanka with eighteen,

757
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 1: you have Matt McLean at nineteen on a Lopez A twenty,

758
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 1: and then Brendan Donovan who now goes to Seattle, Welsh.

759
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 1: I gotta say, like, I like Brandon Donovan, like he's ballplayer.

760
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 1: I like the ballplayer guys, guys that get dirty, guys

761
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 1: that do everything right, play hard. I did I love

762
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: this move to Seattle first fantasy value because of some

763
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 1: of the South the towers a point now, but you

764
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: are going to try to show me a silver lining

765
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: of Brendan Donovan in this move.

766
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I don't think you were ever drafting

767
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 3: Brendan Donovan because you're like, oh, I'm getting twenty homers,

768
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 3: I'm getting twenty five. That was never his game, so

769
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 3: if you have fourteen homers last year he hit eleven

770
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 3: homers the year before, you could play some extrapolation that

771
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 3: maybe he could get to fifteen. Maybe there's like a

772
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 3: world if he was hitting Great America Ballpark or something,

773
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 3: he could hit twenty. So he goes to like the

774
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 3: worst hitting environment. But I just don't really think it

775
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 3: changes the crux of his game. If anything, he's now,

776
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,879
Speaker 3: in my mind, positioned in a spot where you're hitting

777
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 3: around Julio Rodriguez, you're hitting around Josh Naili, You're hitting

778
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 3: around a bunch of RBI machines, a bunch of guys

779
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 3: that are getting on base, something that he really wasn't

780
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 3: put in a position for where he can presumably if

781
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 3: he were to hit two, if he's leading off, that's

782
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 3: another case, but they like Julio for that. If he's

783
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 3: hitting two, you have a really decent chance to increase

784
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,919
Speaker 3: that run total I think into the eighty ninety range,

785
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 3: and that might be being hyper aggressive. The RBI numbers

786
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 3: could be in the mid seventies. Now, pair that with

787
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 3: what I think just annually is something we all just

788
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 3: kind of lose sight of his batting average, which he

789
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 3: is a high batting average guy, which, if anything, maybe

790
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 3: this ballpark is going to push up a little bit.

791
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 3: He hit two eighty seven this past season two seventy

792
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 3: eight the year before. He's expected batting average is supportive

793
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 3: of it. The guy's gonna get on base, He's not

794
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 3: going to strike out. So he's just got guys around

795
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 3: him that from a Rosarina to Julio to Naylor, that

796
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 3: are going to be getting on base, that are going

797
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 3: to be driving him in. So I think you've now

798
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 3: gone from a player that was like pretty much just

799
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 3: like a batting average guy. You know, he's kind of

800
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 3: fun because he's positioned eligible and stuff, to now he

801
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 3: might legitimately be a three category player.

802
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: Now.

803
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 3: I am ignoring the homers and stolen bases a bit,

804
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 3: but my big takeaway here is he's cheap. He's two

805
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 3: thirty one on Fantasy pros ranks right now. He's a

806
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 3: guy that's going well outside the top two hundred. He's

807
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,839
Speaker 3: gonna have some position eligibility, He's going to go into

808
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,479
Speaker 3: a great lineup, hit at the top of its gonna

809
00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,879
Speaker 3: be awesome for points leagues. I think really in any

810
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 3: format you're gonna be able to play him I think

811
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:03,839
Speaker 3: it's just to be one of those guys that we're

812
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:05,840
Speaker 3: gonna look and we're like, how the hell is Brendon

813
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 3: Donovan ranked in the top fifteen of this position. And

814
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,479
Speaker 3: I'm just not super worried about the home environment because

815
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 3: he is so dirt cheap outside the top twenty at

816
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 3: this position. So I do think in a lot of spots,

817
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 3: your middle infielder in fantasy is not gonna come from

818
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 3: second base. But what I do think is that when

819
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 3: you're playing in deeper fifteen team leagues, you're playing in

820
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 3: NFBC formats, and the player pool really gets depleted. Brendan

821
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,479
Speaker 3: Donovan is somebody that could be a nice core piece

822
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 3: that can lift up your batting average, will be a

823
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 3: surprise push on your run in RBIs, and maybe you'll

824
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,839
Speaker 3: get treated on some of the other positionals to maybe

825
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 3: you'll get homers, solen bases, I don't know. Maybe you

826
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 3: know the Seattle unlocks even more stolen bases. Maybe he'll

827
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 3: run more, but either way, its dirt cheap. I think

828
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 3: he's a great cog in your lineup, a good tool

829
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 3: in your tool belt, and Brendan Donovan will be a

830
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 3: player I've got on a lot of teams.

831
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 1: All right, let's round out the rest of this grouping

832
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 1: here in the second tier after Brendon Donovan, Jose Cavaliero

833
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 1: at twenty two, Brett Baty at twenty three where he

834
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 1: plays how often he plays we shall see, and then

835
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: Tommy Edmond at twenty four. Chris Towers question for you,

836
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: who's a better return on investment, Brett Batty at twenty

837
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 1: three or Jordan Westburg is the thirteenth second basement off

838
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 1: the board.

839
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 2: I am not much of a Brett Beatty believer. It feels,

840
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 2: you know, we've kind of gone back and forth with

841
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,720
Speaker 2: him and Mark Vientos the past couple of years, where

842
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 2: last year, obviously Vento's is the guy that's up, Baty

843
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 2: kind of forgotten about. He made some real changes to

844
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 2: his swing. He started elevating the ball better that that

845
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 2: was always the issue for him.

846
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: I just.

847
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 2: I get the value argument for Batty because he's so

848
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 2: much cheaper than Jordan Westburg, and Westburg has been I

849
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 2: think pretty disappointing for fantasy purposes so far. I just

850
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,320
Speaker 2: this is one of those situations where Okay, yeah, the

851
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 2: value is better on Baty. I'd rather just have the

852
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,879
Speaker 2: better players, just because I don't really think Baty, even

853
00:37:57,920 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 2: as cheap as he is, is going to really help

854
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:01,879
Speaker 2: you in fantasy. I just I don't think he's gonna

855
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 2: play every day for the Mets. I'm not sure where

856
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 2: he would play now that they're at their infield is

857
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 2: very fall I know, life finds a way, but it

858
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 2: just it makes me, Uh, it makes me nervous that

859
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 2: I'm just okay, I'll pass on Jordan Westburg. I'll get

860
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 2: the better value in Brett Baity. You might just get

861
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 2: nothing out of Brett Bady, even though the value is

862
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 2: not bad.

863
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 1: All right, Well, same question to you in terms of

864
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: return on investment when you look at some of these guys,

865
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: would do you see Brett Baty differently? Because Westburg is

866
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 1: another guy too, is yet to play more than one

867
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 1: hundred games basically in the season.

868
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 3: Uh, this is pretty firmly Westburg. For me. I'm a

869
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 3: pretty big Westburg guy because I think I agree to

870
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 3: your point. Like, you know, we haven't got the time

871
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 3: there yet, but we you know, in the previous season

872
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 3: had like high expected batting average numbers still kind of supportive.

873
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 3: I think the like eleven barrel forty four to forty

874
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 3: five percent hard hit rate in the way that he

875
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 3: gets the ball in the air leads to like a

876
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 3: twenty five plus. So I'm still in this world where, like,

877
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 3: I think he's hitting twenty five plus homers if he

878
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 3: ends up getting a full season and he's got multiposition

879
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 3: eligibility at third and second, and he's going outside the

880
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 3: top one hundred. So it's like, I'm just not going

881
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 3: to really do the argument. There are too many questions

882
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 3: with Batty. I will say I like Baty more than

883
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 3: Towers does. For sure. They did talk about Batty potentially

884
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 3: getting some reps in the outfield and playing left field,

885
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 3: but there's still just too many big questions. Is he

886
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 3: in a righty lefty platoon if he into's doesn't get traded,

887
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 3: even if he does, is he still in one of those?

888
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 3: I think there's too many question marks around Baty to

889
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 3: even consider him and Westburg outside the top one hundred

890
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 3: is cheap enough. Now if that were to change, I

891
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,760
Speaker 3: think this argument is a little bit different because Baty's

892
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 3: still some bases, I think, and the overall like hitting

893
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,760
Speaker 3: metrics look pretty solid if he was given a full season.

894
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 3: But this is firmly Jordan Westburg for me.

895
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Baty will be the opening day left fielder.

896
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 1: I don't think that's a hot take either. I'm just

897
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 1: putting that out there. Okay, all right, let's get to

898
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 1: the sleepers, the bus and the must haves. Here for

899
00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 1: the guys here, Towers, let's start with you. Who is

900
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: your sleeper second base?

901
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 3: I love him.

902
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 2: I think there are a number of options that we've

903
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 2: already mentioned. I think Horriy Palanko would qualify, but I

904
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 2: am going Jeff McNeil, who has not I think, gotten

905
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 2: very much credit for some real changes that he's made

906
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 2: to his swing over the past year and a half

907
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 2: or so. I think partially it's just he hasn't been

908
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,280
Speaker 2: an everyday player for the Mets. He's dealt with injuries.

909
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 2: But he started swinging the bats significantly harder around the

910
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 2: All Star break of twenty twenty four, and that sustained

911
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,839
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty five. His average batspeed went from sixty

912
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 2: eight point eight miles per hour to seventy point seven

913
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 2: last season. And you see that in not necessarily the

914
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 2: overall production, although it was pretty, you know, a little better,

915
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,280
Speaker 2: but he actually had a three thirty x wOBA last season.

916
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 2: That was his highest since twenty twenty and his highest

917
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 2: for a full season since twenty nineteen. So he was

918
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 2: able to start hitting the ball with authority without sacrificing strikeouts.

919
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 2: Still twelve percent strikeout rate, still walked a ton. But

920
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 2: I think the biggest thing for me is just he's

921
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 2: moving from a pretty neutral, lean negative hitters environment in

922
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 2: New York to I think there's a chance that feel

923
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:16,720
Speaker 2: that Sutter Health Field in Sacramento is like a super

924
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 2: charged version of great American ballpark. I'm not gonna say

925
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 2: it's as good as Course Field for hitting, but it's got,

926
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 2: you know, really good dimensions for hitters. But it's also

927
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 2: just it's really hot there, the ball carries really well.

928
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 2: It's a I think it's just going to be, for

929
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 2: at least the next two seasons, a park that you

930
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 2: really want to target in your drafts. And I don't

931
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 2: know if that's seeped through to the general consensus. Maybe

932
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:43,839
Speaker 2: Nick Kurtz is getting a big put bump for it.

933
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 2: But I think it's a really good park. I think

934
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 2: it's gonna be a good lineup. McNeil going to be

935
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 2: the starting second basement there, the one thing that's holding

936
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 2: me back from really loving Jack McNeill's a sleeper is

937
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 2: he is coming back from thrascic outlet syndrome surgery this offseason.

938
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:04,320
Speaker 2: That is typically a bigger deal for pitchers. It's mostly

939
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 2: just an unknown four hitters for me. Like, I'm just

940
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,799
Speaker 2: not sure how much to ding him. But I think

941
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 2: Jeff McNeil can hit two sixty five, two seventy with

942
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 2: fifteen homers and pretty good run on RBI numbers in

943
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 2: this lineup. I think there's a little bit left here

944
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 2: for him to be a pretty useful middle infielder for fantasy.

945
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: All right, Well, she's your sleeper at second base this year.

946
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 3: All right, mine's a little cheaty. We do have him

947
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 3: listed as a second basement at our second base ranks.

948
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:35,919
Speaker 3: I'm not sure that means somebody is listing him there.

949
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 3: We actually kind of mentioned his name before. But you know,

950
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 3: follow me here too, because the likelihood of him breaking

951
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 3: camp could put him at this position. It could also

952
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 3: end up putting him at third with how they've moved

953
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:49,280
Speaker 3: a lot of stuff. But listed on here is JJ

954
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 3: Weatherhold and probably not a guy would have talked about

955
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 3: in the Shortstop episode anyway. So it's just an opportunity

956
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 3: to talk about him. I think he is a second

957
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 3: baseman in the making. That's where he'll end up being,

958
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 3: and he is obviously being ranked in some capacity there.

959
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 3: But JJ Weatherhold comes in at thirty five on the list.

960
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 3: I love JJ Weatherhold. I think he's got one of

961
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 3: the best opportunities. You know, I could have talked about.

962
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 3: I guess Travis Bazan is another one of those at

963
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 3: second base, but of that world of Bizana, Kevin McGonagall,

964
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 3: I think would likely be a second basement, even though

965
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:20,839
Speaker 3: you know he worked out here in the AFL when

966
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 3: I saw him at third base. A lot of these

967
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 3: guys are natural second basement and that's where they're going

968
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:27,839
Speaker 3: to live, and I think that's where JJ Weatherhold would

969
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 3: end up showing up. And last season seventeen homers, twenty

970
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 3: three stolen bases, he hit three hundred, absolutely popped. If

971
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 3: you go to Prospects Savant you can see some of

972
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 3: those numbers. Twelve percent barrel at triple a, forty eight

973
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 3: percent hard hit rate, low strikeouts. I've likened him in

974
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 3: many aspects to like his approach reminds me of Corbyn

975
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 3: Carroll Obviously he's a middle infielder and he's not as fast,

976
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 3: but kind of the similar approach in his swing and

977
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 3: some of the velocity and verocity he gets on the

978
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,359
Speaker 3: impact of the ball. It is a smaller guy that's

979
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 3: able to get the in the air. He's able to

980
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 3: hit it hard. Like if jj Weatherhold is out there,

981
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 3: he's gonna be a guy you're gonna want to own.

982
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 3: And I think whether he makes the opening day roster

983
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 3: or not, I think he can get that second base eligibility,

984
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:13,240
Speaker 3: whether he gets it on the site that you're playing

985
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 3: on and not. And he could end up being a

986
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 3: top ten if he's given an entire year second baseman,

987
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 3: and an easy candidate for Rookie of the Year if

988
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,800
Speaker 3: he ends up making that roster, getting a significant amount

989
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 3: of it. Bat So love me some jjit weather Hoold.

990
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 3: I'm gonna put him as my sleeper, even though I'm.

991
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 1: Cheating, that's all right. I'm a huge JJ weather fan. Also,

992
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 1: I'll be having a lot of shares of him. I'd

993
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: rather be aggressive on him too, because I feel like

994
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,320
Speaker 1: Saint Louis is in this point where it's just rebuild

995
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 1: time moving forward. Let's continue on.

996
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 2: And among like the three big short stuff prospects, him, Griffin,

997
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 2: and McGonagall. I think right now, as of you know,

998
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 2: February ninth, camps haven't opened yet, I think he's the

999
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:53,479
Speaker 2: most likely to be in the opening day roster.

1000
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 1: I'd say I would agree.

1001
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 2: I'd be very surprised if he's not on the opening

1002
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 2: day roster, whereas Griffin, I lean yet McGonagall, I think

1003
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 2: I know at this point, but spring training could change

1004
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:06,839
Speaker 2: that for all three. But I think things would have

1005
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 2: to go really wrong for Weatherholt to not be part

1006
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 2: of the Cardinals open day lineup, so that.

1007
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 1: That's an intact rate like for him and his style

1008
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 1: of play. Like some guys like you know, I understand

1009
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 1: why they struggle when they go up to the big

1010
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:21,439
Speaker 1: leagues right away. I just feel like one of the holds,

1011
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 1: one of these guys just kind of hits the ground

1012
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 1: running more potentially than some others. Plus here, yeah, yeah,

1013
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 1: all right, So Lukeisha is one of Tower's favorite guys.

1014
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 1: So Wels is your chance to uh to take the

1015
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: other side. Yes, boo Welsh, everyone bow him.

1016
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fine, it's good. Joey was very astute to

1017
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 3: not go to me. When we were talking about it,

1018
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 3: because that's my pro I put him. Yeah, I know

1019
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 3: you are, I put him as my bust. But I'll

1020
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 3: be honest with you. I think another one I just

1021
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 3: like went away from. I kind of like annually put

1022
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:56,359
Speaker 3: Nico Horner there, because Nico Horner is one of those

1023
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 3: guys that it's sub ten homers, it's stolen bases and right,

1024
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 3: not to say it's not valuable, but it is. It's

1025
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 3: similar to who we're talking about, Bryce Terrang. It's like

1026
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 3: the Bryce Terrain conversation where it's like, it just doesn't

1027
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 3: make sense to me. Now, there were some reports on

1028
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:10,439
Speaker 3: Nico Horner it was like, you know, hey, it looks

1029
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:12,720
Speaker 3: like he's added muscle, so you know, kind of holding

1030
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,720
Speaker 3: back a tiny bit. But also based on that Nico's

1031
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 3: at four and Keishol's at six, and I think this

1032
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 3: is like the Bryce Terrain conversation that I just don't

1033
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 3: like the cost. It will be fair though that this

1034
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 3: is outside the top one hundred. Some of the concerns

1035
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,879
Speaker 3: that Towers was talking about are my concerns. I don't

1036
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 3: really believe in a lot of the power output. I'm

1037
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 3: completely open to him upping his game. Because you know

1038
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 3: that's the maturation of these guys. But I think there's

1039
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 3: some stuff in his game that tell me he's not

1040
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:43,360
Speaker 3: going to be a big power back. I mean, he

1041
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 3: is a super super slow batspeed guy. It's one of

1042
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 3: the slowest in the league. And typically you're going to

1043
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 3: see like low barrel rates and low hard hit numbers

1044
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 3: with that. And what you would need out of a

1045
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 3: player like that is you would need like extreme launch, agle,

1046
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 3: extreme pole stuff, which he could do. I'm just not

1047
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 3: foreseeing it. I mean, he hit I think all four

1048
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 3: of those homers in one month. It's a five percent

1049
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 3: barrel that's not good, thirty one percent hard hit rate

1050
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 3: that stinks. And I think the thing that they're gonna

1051
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 3: want him to do is like a Nico Horner. It's

1052
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 3: just like, hey, get on base. We've got other power

1053
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 3: bats that are out there. His average exivelocity absolute porsche

1054
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 3: eighty six at average mile prower with the slow bat like,

1055
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 3: I don't have like big positive regres or progression, a

1056
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 3: positive regression on his power that he's gonna be a

1057
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 3: ten to fifteen homer. I don't think that's the case.

1058
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 3: So I think what you're end up paying for is

1059
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:34,320
Speaker 3: like Nico Horner.

1060
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 2: You could argue versus.

1061
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:38,439
Speaker 3: Nico Horner, I might like Luke Keishail a little bit

1062
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,240
Speaker 3: more based on the cost, But both of those players

1063
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 3: don't really fit my mold. When you're gonna have low homers,

1064
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 3: you're you're gonna be betting on the stolen bases at

1065
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:49,399
Speaker 3: are really high cost. When I think you can get

1066
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 3: that a little bit later, I think you get similar

1067
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 3: players that fit three categories later. So Nico Horner and

1068
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 3: Luke Keishall they're not my speed. I'm just picking on

1069
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 3: Luke Keishell because I personally feel like, like Nico Horner,

1070
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 3: everyone's kind of resigned to who he is. I feel

1071
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 3: like there's still this optimism that Luke Kishall is going

1072
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 3: to be a fifteen fifty guy or fifteen forty or

1073
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 3: maybe he can get to twenty because he did hit

1074
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 3: four homers in one hundred and you know, and it's

1075
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 3: just like, no, I don't think so. I think we're

1076
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 3: gonna be disappointed on the power output. And if he

1077
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 3: regresses at all as far as contact goes on a

1078
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 3: team that's trying to rebuild, all of a sudden, he

1079
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 3: doesn't score runs and he doesn't really hit an army,

1080
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:27,399
Speaker 3: and then it's like you do one thing, maybe two,

1081
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:29,360
Speaker 3: you know, maybe if the batting average doesn't go so

1082
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 3: Luke Kishall is my bust for the year, all.

1083
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:33,240
Speaker 1: Right, Towers, who's your bust at second base?

1084
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 2: The biggest one for me is Saindam Rafaela. I I'm

1085
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 2: kind of baffled by his price being you know, I

1086
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 2: think it's more an NFBC. His ADP's more than like

1087
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 2: the one twenty range. I guess the Fantasy pros ADP

1088
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:50,799
Speaker 2: one fifty. That's probably okay, although I think I rank

1089
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:53,359
Speaker 2: him more like one eighty. Just for me, it comes

1090
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 2: down to how much is fifteen and twenty worth when

1091
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 2: it's probably going to be a detriment in every other category? Right,

1092
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 2: I think the batting average two forty nine last year.

1093
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:09,800
Speaker 2: Given his very very poor play discipline, I think batting

1094
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 2: average is always going to be a problem. I don't

1095
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 2: understand how Sadan Rafaelis scored eighty four runs last season,

1096
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 2: Like that's not a huge number, but he had a

1097
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:20,720
Speaker 2: two to ninety five OVP, and he hit ninth pretty

1098
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 2: much more than any other position I think in the lineup,

1099
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 2: So like, yeah, eight to ninth were like sixty percent

1100
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 2: of his plate appearances. I think even the relatively paltry

1101
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 2: eighty four runs he got last season, I'm betting on regression.

1102
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:36,919
Speaker 2: I think he's more of a seventy run sixty five

1103
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 2: to seventy RBI guy. I think you can find fifteen

1104
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 2: to twenty much cheaper in the lineup. I get Rafael

1105
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:46,399
Speaker 2: is going to be in the lineup every day because

1106
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 2: his defense in center field is so good, and there's

1107
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 2: value in that specifically in like an NFBC format where

1108
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 2: you're talking deeper leagues, you're talking deeper lineups. Just having

1109
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 2: a guy who's out there every day has value. But

1110
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 2: I think there's a real chance when you're tying a

1111
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 2: five by five context center of Fayala is a replacement

1112
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 2: level or below contributor in batting average, runs, RBI and

1113
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 2: home runs, and he's not such a standout and stolen

1114
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 2: bases that I think it's worth paying for that.

1115
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 1: Well, just kicking the Red Sox fans when they're down today,

1116
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 1: the Kale Durban trade. Today, people are in their feelings

1117
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:23,840
Speaker 1: about Hey, I trade.

1118
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 2: Although it was weird to see that my play second base,

1119
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 2: by the way, it was weird to see that Baseball

1120
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 2: Savant had Coleb Durbin only hitting five home runs at

1121
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 2: Fenway Park last year. That was kind of surprising. You'd

1122
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:37,360
Speaker 2: think his swing would be geared for it. I like

1123
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 2: Marcella Meyer, you know, when we were tying bus, I

1124
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:41,319
Speaker 2: wanted to bring our sleepers. I wanted to bring him

1125
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 2: up because I think his price is way too low

1126
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 2: for his talented a player as I think he is.

1127
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 2: The Red Sox have some good stuff going for them.

1128
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 2: I just uh, I think with say Don rafaellys are

1129
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 2: not happy. You'll love watching him play defense. I do

1130
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 2: not like watching him hit personally.

1131
00:50:57,880 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 1: That is fair.

1132
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 3: Well, this is it's like saying that Super Bowl was

1133
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 3: an exciting super.

1134
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 1: Bowl his fantasy, so it was all right defense. So

1135
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 1: they must have guys we've already mentioned, but real quick

1136
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 1: towers pop Ozzi Alby's. Before the show ends, here one

1137
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 1: more time about why people should take one more shot

1138
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 1: in Ozzi Alby's in twenty twenty six.

1139
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 2: This is a guy who's been like a top forty

1140
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:18,720
Speaker 2: pick most of his career. Now he's one hundred and twentieth.

1141
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 2: I think it mostly comes down to that. I just

1142
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 2: don't think he's finished as a high level contributor. Despite

1143
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:28,440
Speaker 2: having some concerns about you know, the quality of contact

1144
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 2: and the injuries over the past couple of years. I

1145
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 2: think as long as Ozzi Alby's is healthy, I think

1146
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:33,439
Speaker 2: he's gonna be great.

1147
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:37,359
Speaker 1: All right, Welsh, you must have guys Brendan Donovan again

1148
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 1: somebody you mentioned, So give everybody that last shot about

1149
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:42,919
Speaker 1: why Brendan Donovan should be somebody they target this year.

1150
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just outside the top twenty. A lot of

1151
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 3: you guys, me included, really struggle when he gets into

1152
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 3: later rounds of like making sure you've done a really

1153
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 3: good job on batting average and runs. He's got tons

1154
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 3: of runs support around. He's dirt cheap. He's outside the

1155
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:59,840
Speaker 3: top two twenty five. Overall, you're gonna get some position eligibility,

1156
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 3: and I don't ever see a spot where he's not

1157
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 3: going to be hitting between like two and four, you know,

1158
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:06,439
Speaker 3: in that lineup, maybe two and five at the worst.

1159
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:08,320
Speaker 3: So Brendan Donovan, I think is just a good, cheap,

1160
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 3: extra tool piece for your entire fantasy team. Makes you

1161
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 3: a little bit better. He isn't like a league winner

1162
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:16,400
Speaker 3: like we talked about, like maybe Jackson Holiday or someone

1163
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 3: like that could end up being But there's no reason

1164
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:21,360
Speaker 3: you can't get Brendan Donovan and that's one of the

1165
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 3: things of why I put him as the must have.

1166
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:25,239
Speaker 1: All Right, Chris Towers always great to talk to you,

1167
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 1: my friend. Make sure you check him out on Fantasy

1168
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 1: Baseball Today with the CBS Boys. We're gonna know this

1169
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 1: CBS boy later in the week for our shortstop show.

1170
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 1: As we continue on with our Ultimate Guide series here

1171
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 1: on Fantasy Pros MLB, subscribe to the podcast feed, subscribe

1172
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:41,919
Speaker 1: to the YouTube channel, and of course drop your comments below.

1173
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 1: Who are your favorite targets at second base this year?

1174
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:46,840
Speaker 1: Make sure you watch all the Ultimate Guide so you

1175
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 1: can have the Ultimate drafts. That'll do it for us,

1176
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:50,840
Speaker 1: But the story of the game goes on for Towers

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00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 1: and Welsh. I'm Joey P. We'll see you next time. Kids.

1178
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1179
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