1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:02,680 Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Big Blue Kick Off live 2 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:05,400 Speaker 1: right here on Giants dot Com. Meadow Schmelk you to 3 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:08,239 Speaker 1: one four five one through will take your calls in 4 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:10,400 Speaker 1: the second half of today's program because we're doing a 5 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 1: lot of draft stuff in the first half and it's 6 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: gonna be a big quarterback heavy show. We're gonna talk 7 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: about prospects from three schools West Virginia, Will Greer, Missoo, 8 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 1: Drew Lock, Duke, Daniel Jones, and we'll start out in 9 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 1: West Virginia Lands. And for that we're gonna talk to 10 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 1: Jed Drenning, who's from the Mountaineers Sports Network. He's their 11 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:35,160 Speaker 1: sideline reporter and he joins us to talk West Virginia prospects. Jed, 12 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: you got John Schmulka, Lance Meadow in East Weather for 13 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 1: New Jersey. Good morning, how are you. We're we're doing fantastic. 14 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: Let's start with Will Greer. I saw him at the Combine, 15 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 1: I saw him at the Senior Bowl. I was at 16 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: both events. It really seems to be somebody that can 17 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: get rid of the ball quick and as fairly accurate, 18 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: especially in the short and intermediate areas. There's no doubt 19 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 1: about it. The son of a coach and he plays 20 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 1: like it. Uh. A lot of family fames surrounding that family. 21 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:04,759 Speaker 1: He's had to handle that for a number of years. 22 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: But he was a model of consistency at West Virginia. 23 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: When you look at what Will did, played and finished 24 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: twenty one games and a nineteen of those games through 25 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:17,399 Speaker 1: forever three hundred yards. But he's a kid who's really 26 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:19,759 Speaker 1: oozing with the hit factor. He won the locker room 27 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:22,040 Speaker 1: over before he ever took a snap. During his transfer 28 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 1: sit out year, the team really was picking up when 29 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: he was putting down. They responded to him. Uh. When 30 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: you look at him as a thrower, what a tremendous 31 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: sense of anticipation. Uh. He's a master of all the 32 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: angles of the passing games. Sees the field really well. 33 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 1: And one of the things about him you talked about 34 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: those intermediate throws. He's very accurate on those throws. But 35 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 1: in addition to that, he's a more nimble kid than 36 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 1: a lot of people give him credit for. He has 37 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 1: the ability to extend some plays. He might even sneak 38 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 1: in a third down conversion with his feet now and 39 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: then for you to get those chains movement. But also 40 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: an incredibly tough kid, very physically tough kid. I mean 41 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 1: when he broke his finger against Texas which shortened a 42 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 1: season two years ago. I was standing on the sidelines 43 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 1: when he came off and the training staff was looking 44 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 1: at him, and just the way that he endured that, Uh, 45 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 1: just spoke to me about what a tough kid he was. 46 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 1: But what's interesting to me, he's in some respects being 47 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 1: called by some a rich man's case Keenum and Uh, 48 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 1: they were both guys that played for Dana Holgers, and 49 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 1: both guys that played for Dana Holgers in the air Raid. 50 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 1: Even their skill sets are somewhat similar. And if he's 51 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:28,239 Speaker 1: a rich man's case Keenum, what's interesting to look as 52 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: case Keenum's the best season as a pro, and it's 53 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:34,959 Speaker 1: not even close, came in two thousands seventeen in Minnesota 54 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:36,639 Speaker 1: when he got to the bike. He's the thirteen and 55 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:39,519 Speaker 1: three record was you guys know the o C in 56 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 1: Minnesota was guests who Pat Sheremer the head coach of 57 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:44,920 Speaker 1: the Giants. So I don't know if that's something as 58 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: coach Sheremer watch his tape that he's looking at or 59 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 1: thinking about. But that's an interesting connection as well well. Jedi. 60 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 1: I think what's also a driesting is West Virginia's offensive prowess. 61 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 1: I mean even under Jake's Bavitol, who now has moved 62 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: on to become a head coach over the last few years, 63 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: as they certainly have put up some impressive numbers. When 64 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:06,679 Speaker 1: you evaluate Will Greer, putting his skill set aside, how 65 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: do you separate is he a product of the system 66 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: Jed versus he's a product of actually what he brings 67 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:17,359 Speaker 1: to the table. Well, that's a fair question. And when 68 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 1: you look at the history of air raid quarterbacks trying 69 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:24,279 Speaker 1: to see how their game translates to the league. Okay, 70 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: there was a time not long ago when you think 71 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 1: of names like Tim Couch who came out of Kentucky 72 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: and and was a failure for the Browns coming out 73 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 1: of how Mommy air Raide system. I don't think you 74 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 1: could regard him as a success. You had Brandon Leaton 75 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: coming out of Oklahoma State who played for Dana uh 76 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 1: didn't have a lot of success in the league as 77 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: a first round pick. Johnny Mantel r G three, those 78 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: are the names you used to associate with this style 79 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 1: of system. But that's kind of that narrative has changed 80 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: in the last few years. Were recently you think obviously 81 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 1: of the Baker Mayfields, the Patrick Mahomes, even that Jared 82 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: Goffs who played for Sonny Dike's at cow. So I 83 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 1: think when you look at the system at large and 84 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: what it can produce, there's always going to be that 85 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 1: complicated issue of trying to distinguish the player and the 86 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: signal caller and the trigger man from the weapons around him. 87 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 1: And the truth of the matter is the game has 88 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 1: evolved in the last handful of years, in particular to 89 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 1: meet the college game a little more when the guys 90 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 1: in the NFL are through playing pitch and catch. When 91 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 1: you look at some of the things that are happening 92 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 1: in the NFL, some of the air raid staples, the 93 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 1: concepts like the four verts, the Mesh package. When you 94 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:29,920 Speaker 1: look at teams like the Chiefs with Nandy Reid or 95 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:32,720 Speaker 1: Josh McDaniel with the Patriots, were even Doug Peterson with 96 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:35,479 Speaker 1: the Eagles. Doug Peterson used the daylights out of the 97 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 1: Mesh package to help beat the Patriots in the Super 98 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 1: Bowl a couple of years ago. Matteggie with the Bears 99 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,160 Speaker 1: is using some of this some of that's now being 100 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:44,799 Speaker 1: introduced and becoming a little more mainstream in the league 101 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:47,479 Speaker 1: to help players like the wild Greers of the of 102 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: the world along. And I think that's why that transition 103 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: has been a little more successful lately for those types 104 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 1: of guys with those talents around them. Can you get 105 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:56,840 Speaker 1: a little more into Jed what you talk about earlier 106 00:04:56,839 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 1: Will gree Will Greer handling fame with the family, because 107 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 1: obviously I think that can affect the player's ability to 108 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 1: kind of deal with a lot of the new pressures 109 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:06,919 Speaker 1: that come with the NFL, some of the stuff that 110 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:09,040 Speaker 1: he that he dealt with growing up in the family 111 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:12,160 Speaker 1: that he did, and not just NFL. That's a great 112 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 1: question too, because you're talking about the New York market, right, 113 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: So that's a different animal on its own, right. But 114 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 1: obviously what's happened is Will is the least famous guy 115 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:21,480 Speaker 1: in that family, has a couple of brothers who are 116 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:25,160 Speaker 1: social media stars, if there is such a thing, So, uh, 117 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 1: you're talking about Hollywood has been in and around that 118 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: family for a long time now, and that's something that's 119 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 1: just kind of, uh matter of fact for the Greer 120 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 1: family and something that for the last handful of years. 121 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 1: Will has had to get accustomed to, had to get 122 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 1: used to. I remember there's a story that when he 123 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 1: was named National High School Player of the Year, he 124 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:46,159 Speaker 1: went to New York City to accept the award, and 125 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:48,600 Speaker 1: after accepting the award, they walked back out on the 126 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: street and there was a crowd swarming and they thought, well, 127 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: obviously people want Will's autograph. He just want a National 128 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:56,600 Speaker 1: high School Player of the Year. Well, it wasn't his autograph. 129 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: It was his brother's autograph. It's just the world. That's 130 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 1: kind of the world. What he resides, the soup in 131 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: which he swims, and and he's handed it all very 132 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 1: very well. But he's he's a mature guy. He's a 133 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:09,280 Speaker 1: family guy. He's ahead of the curve in that respect. 134 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 1: I mean, there was football, there was class, and there 135 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 1: was his family, and those are really the only three 136 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: things that occupied him. Terry's a couple of years in Morgantown, 137 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 1: and uh, he handled pressure very well. I think in 138 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 1: part as a result of that. I mean, when you 139 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:24,919 Speaker 1: look back to that Texas game, you saw that maturity 140 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: really come through hundred thousand people. D k R Stadium 141 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 1: in Austin, West Virginia gets the football back with two 142 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 1: eight team to go in the game, their own twenty 143 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:36,040 Speaker 1: five yard line down seven. Who is a cucumber. He 144 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: drives him right down the field, has a thirty three 145 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 1: yard strike to to uh potentially tie the game, but 146 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 1: instead we went for two and then we'll ran it 147 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: in with several options with that play, but just under dress, 148 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 1: under pressure, his maturity really showed through and it showed 149 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: the possibilities of what type of player he can be. 150 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 1: We're talking with Jed Drenning, Mountaineer Sports Network sideline reporter 151 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 1: as we're discussing the West Virginia prospects and Will Grier 152 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 1: had two targets in the receive core jett In, Gary 153 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 1: Jennings and David Sills, two guys that we saw in 154 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:07,599 Speaker 1: terms of their prowess at the Senior Bowl. If you 155 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: could sort of dissect the two of them, it seems 156 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 1: as if Jennings is more of the possession receiver. Sills 157 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: has a little bit more size. But where do you 158 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: see their upside at the next level. Well, let's start 159 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 1: with Gary. Uh, he really served himself well at the 160 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 1: Combine and Indy Yeah, ran a couple of four or fours. 161 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 1: I think people were impressed by that. To appreciate that 162 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 1: part of his game. He has incredible versatility, can play 163 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: wherever you want him to in the slaughter on the outside. 164 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 1: He's been asked you a little of all of it. 165 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 1: Incredibly strong hands, very strong hands, and when you look 166 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 1: what he was asked to do a year ago versus 167 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 1: two years ago, his role in the offense and in 168 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 1: the passing game really changed. Two years ago he had 169 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 1: ninety seven catches, a lot of those were toughee rtage 170 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 1: catches in the pit, in the briar patch in traffic, 171 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 1: but he only had one touchdown. Last year, after Karen 172 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 1: White's graduation, Gary was asked to push vertically a little 173 00:07:57,080 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: more and become more of that vertical threat to compliment 174 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 1: David sill was on the other side, and he responded 175 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 1: one of that with thirteen touchdowns and became a playmaker 176 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 1: for us this year or last year. I should say, So, 177 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 1: that's the type of player you're gonna get with Gary. 178 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 1: Great kid, very disciplined kid, very physical kid, hard nosed kid, 179 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: but strong, strong hands, and that's what you're getting with him. 180 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: When you look at David, I still think he's he's 181 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 1: a touch unpolished again. Remember he's only been a white 182 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 1: out for a handful of years. Now he's a converted quarterback. 183 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 1: That was a big national story. I was offered as 184 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 1: a seventh grader by Lane Kiffing at USC. He came 185 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 1: to West Virginia as a quarterback, and what ended up 186 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 1: happening was he was on the scout team taking reps 187 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 1: at wide out and they couldn't cover it. And I 188 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 1: remember his first game playing wide out was back in 189 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 1: two dozen fifteen at Baylor, and during pregame, Dana was 190 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 1: telling me on the field, He's like, I'm telling you, Jed. 191 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 1: He said, he's the best wide out we got on 192 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 1: our team right now. He had a touchdown in that game, 193 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 1: and he only improved as the year went on. Had hit. 194 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 1: A matter of fact, he caught the game winner and 195 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:55,439 Speaker 1: the cactus ball against Arizona State for US. But he 196 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 1: wanted to give one more rout of playing quarterbacks, so 197 00:08:57,559 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: we went to j C Circuit. Didn't have a lot 198 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: of offers after that one season at the junior college level, 199 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 1: and Dana said, you always got a home here. So 200 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 1: at that point he came back. He fully embraced the 201 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: notion of becoming a receiver and really poured himself into it. 202 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: He self made in that sense. I think the staff 203 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 1: of particularly tyro On Carrier, who was the White House 204 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 1: coach of the time for West Virginia, did a great 205 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 1: job of working with him. He became a technician, and 206 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 1: that's the last thing you would expect about the guy, 207 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 1: a guy who comes to that position in the eleventh hour. 208 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 1: He was such a weapon in the red zone. You're 209 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 1: talking about a kid who thirty three touchdown grabs over 210 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: the course of the last couple of years. But the 211 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 1: impressive thing twenty one of those thirty three came in 212 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 1: the red zone. His footwork has become such a strength 213 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:40,199 Speaker 1: of his game. And I would say a lot of 214 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 1: people say he might be a Z A flanker type 215 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 1: with the NFL. He might in fact be a split 216 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 1: into an X where you're gonna draw that single coverage, 217 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 1: you're gonna face press coverage. He has enough of a 218 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: technician to get off, get a release, find a way 219 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:55,559 Speaker 1: to push vertical and use that side, that frame and 220 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 1: that leading ability. So he's a prospect that has a 221 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: tremendous amount of ups and I don't think we've fully 222 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: seen what he can accomplish with a few more years 223 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 1: a good coaching. Yanni couljuiced, He's a fascinating player to me, 224 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 1: Jed he didn't play a lot of high school football. 225 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 1: He has all the athletic traits you want to have 226 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: an offensive tackle. But from the little I saw of 227 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 1: him on tape and I watched a couple of games, 228 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: still really really raw. Do you still think he has 229 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: his best football ahead of him if he gets into 230 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: the right coaching situation in the NFL. I do think 231 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 1: he has his best football ahead of him. And see 232 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:28,199 Speaker 1: this is where from the outside looking in, it might 233 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:30,080 Speaker 1: start to get interesting for you guys. Of course, you 234 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: have twelve picks more than by the NFL. What you 235 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: did in the off season to turn what seemed to 236 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 1: be a liability with the Giants that offensive line into 237 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 1: what appears to now be a strength bringing in Kevin 238 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 1: Zeiler Nate Solder, I mean, you've really short things up, 239 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 1: but maybe there's still somewhat of a liability that right 240 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 1: tackle spot. So the question becomes, does a guy like 241 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 1: Yandni translate from left back or the right tackle. I 242 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 1: think he could do that in the NFL. What's interesting 243 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 1: about him. A few years back. As a sophomore, he 244 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 1: was a Day one starter against Missouri in he was 245 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 1: lined up against an edge rusher from Missouri who was 246 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: a first round pick. But the thirteenth play of the game, 247 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 1: that's when he tours a c l so we didn't 248 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 1: get to see that matchup, so we had to spend 249 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 1: that season recovering from that injury. Came back in full 250 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:15,959 Speaker 1: force the following year, and he's played great football force 251 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 1: ever since. He does the small stuff incredibly well. He's 252 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 1: a finisher. He'll run through blocks, even if he chopped somebody, 253 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: he'll finish the role. He's a true maller at the 254 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: point of attack, he's he's also great in space and otherwise. 255 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 1: When he's asked to climb to the second level in 256 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: the screen game or even in the run game, he'll 257 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:34,680 Speaker 1: target a second defender, beat a safety, be at a corner, 258 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: whichever direction the play might take him. Uh. He's also 259 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 1: a scrapper. Sometimes he might even push the envelope a 260 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 1: little bit too far. Was ejected from the Texas game, 261 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 1: but he has that fighter mentality in him. He really 262 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 1: does so. Again, like you like you touched on maybe 263 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: he was a couple more years of coaching. He received 264 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 1: some good coaching from Ron Crook and Joe Wickline during 265 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: his time of West Virginia, but with a few more 266 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:56,679 Speaker 1: years of it, especially since he lost that one year 267 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 1: due to injury, I think he get some more out 268 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 1: of Jedi. Know he had two seasons since the tour 269 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 1: in a c L. But is it fair to say 270 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 1: that he's fully recovered from that knee injury, because sometimes 271 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: it does take a year or two until you get 272 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 1: your legs back under you. That's a fair question, and 273 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:14,839 Speaker 1: to be honest with you, I think if there was 274 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 1: a little timidity to it, it might have been early on. Uh, 275 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:20,680 Speaker 1: through the course of that ball camp his first season back, 276 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 1: he overcame that. Uh. You really don't see any residual 277 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 1: effects from it. He is a knee vendor. That's part 278 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 1: of his game. I don't see any holdover fallout effects 279 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 1: from that injury at this point. Final question, Jed West 280 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 1: Virginia's other prospect that I really loved watching um over 281 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 1: the course of this offseason. I just think maybe five 282 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 1: years ago, even teams are like this guy can't play 283 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 1: a linebacker in the NFL, But now we probably can 284 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 1: and that's David Long five eleven seven. This guy can 285 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:54,199 Speaker 1: run and do the things you like from an NFL linebacker. 286 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 1: Do you think he fits better into what the NFL 287 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 1: is now doing now on the defensive side of the ball, say, 288 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 1: as compared to five or six years ago. I do. 289 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:06,959 Speaker 1: And one of the things that's happened in the league, obviously, 290 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 1: is it's become a sub package league. Right Roughly or 291 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 1: so of NFL snaps are played in sub packages, a 292 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 1: lot of the heavy nickel type. Look. We saw a 293 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 1: kid from West Virginia year ago and Kaisier White, who 294 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:21,680 Speaker 1: was a Spurs safety for US. He ended up in 295 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 1: San Diego and became a starter as a linebacker for 296 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 1: them as a result of the style of play that 297 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 1: we're talking about. When you look at David Long, first, 298 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 1: Kaisier was six to sixteen, so a little more lean 299 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 1: than David. Dave was a more compact kid. He's five, 300 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 1: a level two in a quarter, but he'll bring it, 301 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 1: knows for the football. Great kid. Getting his degree really 302 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 1: mattered to him. He's the first male on his mom's 303 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:44,960 Speaker 1: side of the family to graduate from college. I think 304 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 1: he would have come back if he didn't get that 305 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 1: degree that that really mattered to him Big twelve Defensive 306 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: Player of the Year. He's production in Nevotto, I mean, 307 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 1: really really is. When you look at his tackles for 308 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 1: loss thirty four and a half TFLs and his last 309 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:59,599 Speaker 1: twenty one games. Sometimes he just flat out looked on 310 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 1: block Bowl. But being a film rent, it's part of 311 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 1: what leads to that he lives in the film room. 312 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 1: He has a true nose for the football. His production 313 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 1: is incredibly high and incredibly consistent. Kid. He can fight 314 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 1: through garbage and read things, and his football IQ is 315 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 1: very high. So the question becomes for us. We played 316 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:18,680 Speaker 1: the odds back defense last year and he was a 317 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 1: will linebacker in the odds text, So does he translate 318 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 1: to a true three four or four three will linebacker 319 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 1: when you're gonna be asked to pursue things from the 320 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: back side, chase things down. His teams run to the 321 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: strength of the formation. He has that ability. You talked 322 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 1: about his skill set, He talked about his athleticism. He 323 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 1: has the ability to not only utilize his speed but 324 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 1: also the vision to fight through traffic because he chases 325 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 1: things down from the backside. If there's an opening David 326 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 1: Long will find it and he can be nightmares to 327 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 1: try and control and block. Jed. Great stuff, great information. 328 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 1: We really appreciate the time this afternoon, and best of 329 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 1: luck covering the rest of the spring football. All right, 330 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 1: thanks a lot, Jed, Thank you guys. That's Jed Dreading 331 00:14:56,640 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 1: covers West Virginia for the Mountaineer Sports radio net work. 332 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 1: He is their sideline reporter. And now let's go on 333 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 1: to our next school, and that is Dave Harding, who's 334 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 1: the Duke football radio analysts down there. Of course everyone 335 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 1: else is paying attention to Duke basketball book. Dave, we 336 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 1: got you covered with Duke football here. How are you? 337 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us? Absolutely, you're right March madness, but shoot, 338 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 1: I mean pro day today, there's a lot of madness 339 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 1: going on the football side also. So how many times 340 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 1: did David cuck Cliffe try to head over to Duke 341 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 1: basketball practice against Zion Williamson to play defensive end or 342 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 1: tight end? I think plenty of times. The invitation is 343 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: open and it's standing for whatever Zion wants to go. 344 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 1: I think you could just plug and play just anywhere 345 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 1: he wants to go. That We have that debate all 346 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 1: the time. Around here, but where he would be best suited. 347 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 1: I think he'd be an absolute monster along the defensive line. Well, 348 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 1: I just hope that you find a stronger pair of 349 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 1: cleats to win. They had that same problem when I 350 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 1: was playing, but you know I could play just about 351 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 1: anything and not have to worry about bust and thrown. Indeed, well, 352 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 1: speaking of David Cutcliffe, clearly he's got a tremendous track 353 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 1: record when it comes to grooming quarterbacks, as you well 354 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 1: know Dave. When it comes to Eli Manning, who we 355 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: know well here from the Giants organization, Peyton Manning and 356 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 1: so forth, I'm sure that's part of the appeal of 357 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 1: Daniel Jones, who does look like a pro typical quarterback 358 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 1: when you look at his size and so forth. You've 359 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 1: been around him, you've seen him. Let's start with the 360 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 1: positives first. What jumps out to you about Daniel Jones 361 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 1: as he tries to make the transition from college to 362 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 1: the pros. Well, I think the big thing is um 363 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 1: the stuff that you can't coach, and that's his mentality 364 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 1: in mindset. You know, you can try to foster that 365 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 1: to be improved in a certain player coming out of 366 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 1: high school, But Daniel Jones, let's not forget, was really 367 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 1: not recruited out of high school and has this quiet 368 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: and infinitely demeanor about him, but one that is just unstoppable. 369 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 1: He he plays with a chip on his shoulder and 370 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 1: from day one during his time at Duke, you could 371 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 1: tell he was committed did to being the best quarterback 372 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:05,119 Speaker 1: he could become at the college level, and I believe 373 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 1: he's achieved that and is ready to move on to 374 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:10,440 Speaker 1: the next level. But David Cuckliffe getting him in here, 375 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 1: uh and working with him on a day and day 376 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 1: out basis, I think has been huge for Daniel. But 377 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 1: it's been more about what he's been able to do 378 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:20,159 Speaker 1: in the film room and the amount of dedication and 379 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 1: the hours that he's put in to prepare to get 380 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:25,439 Speaker 1: better as a as a quarterback. He didn't have a 381 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:28,359 Speaker 1: scholarship in fact when he first got to Duke and 382 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:34,159 Speaker 1: has turned himself into this NFL caliber player and one 383 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 1: that everybody's talking about. So pretty impressive and uh, he's 384 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: just to me, he's a complete package from a professional standpoint, 385 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 1: a really really good guy and football is very important 386 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: to him. What do you think, Dave, are his major 387 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 1: goals to try to show off at the pro day today. 388 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:55,440 Speaker 1: What do you think You know, all these guys work 389 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 1: at their college coaches, have their personal coaches on the side. 390 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:00,119 Speaker 1: What do you think he wants to showcase today at 391 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 1: do Prota that maybe some pro scouts might have questions about. Yeah, 392 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 1: I think that's a good question. Um, obviously you want 393 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 1: to prove your accuracy. But I think during the course 394 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:12,679 Speaker 1: of his postseason run and the tours that he's done, 395 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 1: whether that's at the Senior Bowl or at the Combine 396 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:18,639 Speaker 1: earlier in the year, one of the things that people 397 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 1: have questioned about him is his arm strength and does 398 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: he have the zip to put on the ball to 399 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:27,399 Speaker 1: get you know, those those deeper out routes or on 400 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 1: a dig and fit the ball into tight window maybe 401 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 1: whether that's in the zone coverage or or something that 402 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 1: those tighter windows in the NFL that he'll be throwing into. 403 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 1: He there's no doubt in my mind that he can 404 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 1: make every single throw, any throw that an NFL offensive 405 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:44,640 Speaker 1: coordinator team is going to ask him, he can do. 406 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 1: But it's going to be whether or not he can 407 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 1: and with what velocity he can put on the ball 408 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:54,400 Speaker 1: to fit it in there. The advantage that he has 409 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 1: from that standpoint is how cerebral he is, how smart 410 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 1: he is. Coach Cutcliffe expects a lot from his quarterbacks, 411 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 1: and so from an early age and an early time 412 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:09,919 Speaker 1: here on campus, he's had to control and and understand 413 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:12,959 Speaker 1: and master the entire offensive scheme. He's great at the 414 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 1: pre snap reads. Um. I think that's where you see 415 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:18,919 Speaker 1: a lot of the comparisons with the Mannings. Peyton Manning 416 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 1: able to play basically with no feeling in his hand 417 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 1: and win a Super Bowl with that just because of 418 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 1: how smart he was. And Daniel Jones has a lot 419 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:30,439 Speaker 1: of those characteristics and traits. It's just a matter of 420 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: does he have the zing and the zip on the football. 421 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:36,399 Speaker 1: But to me, that's something that he can continue to 422 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:40,680 Speaker 1: improve on, continue to work in a new system under 423 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 1: new tutelage outside of the Cutcliffe realm, if you will, 424 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 1: and continue to get better. To me, the sky is 425 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:49,639 Speaker 1: the limit. So he's a really good player already, but 426 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 1: the potential I think he's just scratched the surface. Talk 427 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 1: with Dave Harding, Duke football radio analyst, and Dave, when 428 00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 1: you look at his numbers, I think what's also something 429 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 1: that's of no is his ability to run and use 430 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 1: his legs. I mean, he had over three yards. He 431 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 1: had three touchdowns last season. And when the comparisons are 432 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:10,360 Speaker 1: made between Eli Manning and Daniel Jones because they both 433 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:12,680 Speaker 1: worked on the Cutcliffe, people say, well, Jones has a 434 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 1: little bit more upside because of his athleticism. How much 435 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:18,399 Speaker 1: is that an asset as you viewed him play the 436 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:22,120 Speaker 1: quarterback position. It was a huge asset in the college game. 437 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 1: And there's a big debate about whether or not you 438 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:28,639 Speaker 1: can have the same success in the pro ranks as 439 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 1: you do in college as a running quarterback. He's not 440 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 1: the mobile style quarterback as a Kyler Murray Um that's 441 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: gonna be coming out this year as well. But he's 442 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 1: a player. If you want to incorporate some of the 443 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:45,440 Speaker 1: zone read play action type game into his repertoire in 444 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 1: the NFL, I think he's able to do it. And 445 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 1: he's certainly flexible enough on the run and an athlete 446 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 1: enough to where if there is pressure coming from a 447 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:58,680 Speaker 1: certain side of the field, he's able to avoid. That 448 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: is tough enough, and this can be considered a minus 449 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:04,440 Speaker 1: at times, but it's tough enough to stand in there 450 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 1: and take a hit UH in the face of pressure 451 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:09,879 Speaker 1: and and throw the ball down the field to complete 452 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 1: the past. Now, obviously there's a more of a uh 453 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:15,639 Speaker 1: an intelligent and a smart way to go about that 454 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 1: when you're being paid millions of dollars to play the position. 455 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 1: But in college, UH, to me, he was a major 456 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 1: asset in his athleticism on the ground was a huge 457 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 1: element to the Duke offense, which kept them in games 458 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:30,639 Speaker 1: during the season. We're joined by Dave Harding do radio 459 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:35,120 Speaker 1: football analyst does their games. Dave, you kind of partially 460 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 1: answered this question on my previous question. I kind of 461 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 1: want to follow up on it because you talked about 462 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,400 Speaker 1: how he wasn't really recruited, didn't didn't have a scholarship, 463 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 1: and it speaks to his hard work and and his 464 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 1: his forthrightness and his intelligence. And I think you're impressed 465 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:52,920 Speaker 1: by watching how well he's been coaches. Fundamentals are good, 466 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 1: he does all the right things. But in the end, 467 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:57,439 Speaker 1: and you know, this football is a talent game, right 468 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 1: and you eventually have to have that God given talent 469 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 1: to exceed at the highest level. So I guess my 470 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:07,440 Speaker 1: question for you is, do you believe he has that 471 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:12,360 Speaker 1: high end talent in him that an NFL coach can 472 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:15,919 Speaker 1: coach up for him to play at the highest level 473 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:19,119 Speaker 1: in the NFL, because everyone has to have that in 474 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:21,720 Speaker 1: them for the coach to get it out of them. 475 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:23,920 Speaker 1: If you know where I'm going with that, I do. 476 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 1: I do. And I think the answer to that questions, yes, 477 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 1: I kind of touched on this earlier, but you saying 478 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:35,920 Speaker 1: that the potential he's just gonna scrape and scratching the surface. UM, 479 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 1: He's done a lot with the tools that he's had 480 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 1: at Duke UM, with the coaching that he's gotten that 481 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 1: Duke and UM, He's developed his body a little bit 482 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 1: more and he has developed his game, especially from a 483 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,440 Speaker 1: cerebral part where he's able to make those reads. You've 484 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 1: seen him get better. But from a from an arm 485 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 1: strength standpoint, from an accuracy strength standpoint, I feel like 486 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:03,680 Speaker 1: he is. He's very good. Um. He's first round, late 487 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 1: first round. People saying now maybe high second round status. 488 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:12,360 Speaker 1: But that's just with with what I've said about scratching 489 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 1: the surface. He's going to continue to mature to develop. 490 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 1: This is a kid that put on several inches, grew 491 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 1: several inches, UM, right before college he's I mean, he's 492 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 1: maturing and growing into his body, some of the knocks 493 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:29,439 Speaker 1: on the thinner lower body, and he's still working in 494 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 1: the weight room and is growing up. To me, the 495 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 1: upside on Daniel Jones is probably better than just about 496 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 1: any quarterback in this draft. And he's already um so 497 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 1: so highly regarded. So that to me, you know, you 498 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 1: hear a lot of people say, well, he's he's getting 499 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:51,360 Speaker 1: inflated because of the Cutcliff factor, because of the Manning factor. Now, 500 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,440 Speaker 1: I don't think that's necessarily inflation. I think that proves 501 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,680 Speaker 1: that he can be challenged from a mental aspect and 502 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:00,720 Speaker 1: can pick up just about any concept scheme you throw 503 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 1: at him. He's able to diagnose and to assess what's 504 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,160 Speaker 1: going to be taking place on the football field. And oh, 505 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 1: by the way, he makes good decisions once the ball 506 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:11,359 Speaker 1: has been snapped. Outside of that, he's got the frame, 507 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 1: the six five he's tall, and his his throwing motion 508 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:18,160 Speaker 1: and all of those little nit picky things that add 509 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:19,879 Speaker 1: up in the grand scheme and thing like what you 510 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 1: were saying about talking about in your question, I think 511 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:27,199 Speaker 1: are all things that could continue to be tweaked with him, 512 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,159 Speaker 1: and he will just continue to skyrocket and to be 513 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 1: a really, really good consistent quarterback down the road. He 514 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 1: I think right now you can go in he could 515 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,639 Speaker 1: play a game next year in the NFL and not 516 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 1: lose you the game, potentially win it. But this is 517 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:46,160 Speaker 1: a guy that can come in eventually and sitting out 518 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 1: a year, maybe learning under an Eli Manning in New 519 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 1: York would be beneficial to him to where he could 520 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:55,960 Speaker 1: come in that next year after being in in that system, 521 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 1: and come in and be a game changer and win 522 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 1: football games for or an organization. Dave You mentioned that 523 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 1: one of the things he wants to work on today 524 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 1: at his pro day is to maybe quiet the skeptics 525 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 1: with respect to his accuracy, because you look at completion 526 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 1: percentage just under sixty in his career. Another notable number 527 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:17,119 Speaker 1: is thirty eight drop passes by his receiving corps. I 528 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 1: believe this season alone. Now the reason I throw out 529 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:23,679 Speaker 1: those numbers, context is important when you evaluate Daniel Jones. 530 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:27,680 Speaker 1: Is this a reflection perhaps the inaccuracy issues, the completion 531 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 1: percentage of the talent around him, or his decision making. 532 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 1: How would you assess that? Well? I think it's a 533 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 1: little bit of both and that's a tough question to answer. 534 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 1: Certainly wasn't helped with the thirty eight passes, and having 535 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 1: been in all the games over the past couple of 536 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,199 Speaker 1: years that he's played in, I mean, there have been 537 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,440 Speaker 1: balls right on the money where they should have been caught, 538 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 1: should have been touchdowns, and that helps pad your stats. Um. 539 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 1: He's also playing in what is arguably at the most 540 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 1: competitive league in college football, the a c C. So 541 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:03,119 Speaker 1: he's been going against first round talent on defense and 542 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 1: hasn't had the best offensive line of the past few 543 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 1: years to provide protection. So he's he's taking his lips, 544 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 1: you know, he has. He has had to work through 545 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:16,440 Speaker 1: and to work his way up to that completion rate. Now, 546 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,640 Speaker 1: with that said, and we've talked about that, there's there's 547 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 1: still potential, there's still improvement to be made. There are 548 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 1: times where he will make an unbelievable thrill to show 549 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 1: and to prove that he can make that pass and 550 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 1: you're like, gosh, that's incredible, and in a few more 551 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,359 Speaker 1: plays later, that same throw sales a little bit wide. 552 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 1: So he can continue to improve on his consistency. But 553 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,160 Speaker 1: to me, the fact that he can make that pass 554 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,199 Speaker 1: in the first place proves that he's got the talent, 555 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:47,920 Speaker 1: and it's just a matter of again tweaking a few 556 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 1: things and getting the consistency down to where that in 557 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 1: completion rating is not as low as it or incretion 558 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:58,120 Speaker 1: rating percentage rather isn't as high as it was. Um. 559 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 1: But still, I think that safety percent that everybody's talking 560 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 1: about is a little bit of an outlier because of 561 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 1: exactly what you said. The thirty eight trop passes, and 562 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:10,159 Speaker 1: that's a career number. I believe passes dropped is just 563 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 1: this past season. So there's certainly been a factor UM 564 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,919 Speaker 1: to consider with that final question, Dave, And you mentioned 565 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 1: in your last answer the offensive line, and I watched 566 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:24,159 Speaker 1: probably around four to five games of your guys games 567 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,679 Speaker 1: on coaches tape over the past month or so, and 568 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:28,679 Speaker 1: he's running for his life a lot. I mean, you know, 569 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:30,879 Speaker 1: you guys are playing some of the best defensive lines. 570 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,439 Speaker 1: How do you think he handled that pressure? Because how 571 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 1: quarterbacks handle that pressure? Does he stay in there? Does 572 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 1: he throw even with the guy in his face? Does 573 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 1: he kind of run for cover a lot? Does he 574 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 1: golf his back foot? How does he handle in the 575 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:47,159 Speaker 1: pocket when that pressure comes? I think his mobility in 576 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 1: the pocket is is tremendous, and he's got a unique 577 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,920 Speaker 1: knack of feeling pressure and stepping up. I mean slight 578 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 1: little nuances that even if you're watching the game, you 579 00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 1: gotta go back and watch the tape to see, Oh, well, 580 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 1: you know, he he took that half step up into 581 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 1: the pocket just enough to buy himself some more time 582 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 1: to deliver the past down the field. He's got the 583 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 1: flexibility to to make a pass over the top of 584 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,880 Speaker 1: of a defensive player that's coming right to his face. Um. 585 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:19,919 Speaker 1: I think his toughness level under pressure is uncanny, and 586 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,439 Speaker 1: sometimes you're like, gosh, just throw that ball away and 587 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 1: not take the hit. And that's something he'll develop more 588 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,440 Speaker 1: and and we'll learn more once he's got NFL players 589 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,399 Speaker 1: breathing down his neck. But I go back to the 590 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:34,439 Speaker 1: Clemson game this year at Clemson, the Blue Devils on 591 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 1: the road, you know, playing extremely well. It's a close game, 592 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 1: and there were several passes to me that were right 593 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 1: on target, even though he had the best defensive line 594 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 1: in college football right in his lap that if they 595 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 1: had been caught, which they were definitely catchable balls the 596 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 1: Blue Devils in that game, and you're you're looking at 597 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 1: a potential for a major upset. I think he's got 598 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 1: the toughness and the mindset and the accuracy, all that included, 599 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 1: where paired with some really a good talent on the 600 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 1: outside wide receiver, He's gonna be a really, really consistent 601 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 1: and winning quarterback on the next level. Dave, great stuff. 602 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 1: We really appreciate the time. Go get to that pro day, 603 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 1: enjoy it, and we'll talk to you down the road. 604 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,960 Speaker 1: Dave Harding, Duke Football Radio analyses a great job. Boy. 605 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 1: He's a big fan of Daniel Jones. Huh. Indeed, I 606 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 1: think Daniel said him a check after he gets the 607 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 1: NFL contract as Wow. Loves Daniel Jones. And we're gonna 608 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 1: finish our quarterback trip around college football today. We've talked 609 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 1: about Well Greer, We've talked about Daniel Jones. Now we're 610 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 1: gonna talk about Drew lock on the other prospects coming 611 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 1: out of Missouri with Alex Schiffer, who covers the team 612 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 1: for the Kansas City Star. Alex, you got johnsch malcol 613 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 1: leanson Meadow up here in New Jersey. How are you today, 614 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 1: I'm good. I'm good. You guys broadcasting from Rutherford or 615 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 1: somewhere else by the Metal Lands. We we are right 616 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 1: across the street from the stadium, hanging out in the swamp. 617 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 1: And Alex, by the way, is a Jersey guy. So 618 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 1: once I saw we have a jersey guy covering Missouri football, 619 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 1: I had to have on. Yeah. Now it's this is 620 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 1: the first bit I've done with with ties to my 621 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 1: home area. I'm originally from West you know, and I 622 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 1: wanted to St. Jose and a touching for high school. So, 623 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 1: uh so it was cool seeing a two oh one 624 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 1: area code come up. It's usually uh friend or families 625 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 1: when I see something like that come up out here. 626 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 1: Absolutely well, Alex, let's start with Drew Lock. Um. He's 627 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:26,560 Speaker 1: a guy that just today, if you look at Peter 628 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 1: Schrager's mock draft on NFL dot com, who's going number 629 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 1: six of the Giants, Drew Lock. So tell me about 630 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 1: him and how you think maybe you've heard his stock 631 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 1: rising a little bit as people have interacted with him 632 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 1: and kind of seen him up close at the Senior 633 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 1: Bowls pro day and see not just his personality but 634 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 1: also his A plus arm talent. Yeah, I've I've known 635 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 1: Drew since he was in high school, and i was 636 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,520 Speaker 1: freshman in college. That's when I kind of start paying 637 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,600 Speaker 1: attention to him. He was a guy I'm Missouri fans 638 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 1: radar for a long time because his dad played at 639 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 1: Missoo as an offensive line in the late eighties and 640 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 1: his grandfather also played from Zoo. His father's offensive line 641 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 1: coaches senior year was none other than Andy Reid before 642 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 1: he joined the NFL ranks. And uh he uh, he's 643 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 1: kind of it's been baptism by fire for him really 644 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 1: at the college level. You know, he was expected to 645 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 1: kinda kind of like with the Giant situation, was the 646 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 1: backup for his freshman year behind the starter and get 647 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 1: limited snaps, and then that starter got suspended and and 648 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,080 Speaker 1: it's been Drew Lock ever since. From Missouri. You know, 649 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 1: he's a rare. It's where you see at a quarterbacko 650 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 1: that high that was a four year starter. Most of 651 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 1: these guys that are coming out of juniors are in 652 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 1: Joyne Hastin's kids think of Richard sophomore so uh so 653 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:46,640 Speaker 1: as a kid, you know, I think he's very funny. 654 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 1: He's got a great personality. He knows, you know, when 655 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 1: how to handle things when the cameras are on and everything. 656 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:54,960 Speaker 1: I thought if you look at him at the Senior 657 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 1: Bowl and watched his press conference compared to Daniel Jones, Um, 658 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,440 Speaker 1: Daniel owns, I think didn't look as comfortable with the 659 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:04,480 Speaker 1: with the media as Drew did. And maybe you know, 660 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 1: Missouri which is why I came out here, was known 661 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 1: for his journalism program and uh, he had a lot 662 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 1: of cameras in his face all four years. There's maybe 663 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,320 Speaker 1: that helped them be prepared for that. But I I 664 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 1: think his personality is really good with with all that 665 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 1: he signs for all the kids, he's very uh, he's 666 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 1: very personable when you catch him off the field, if 667 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 1: you run into him in town and you know the 668 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 1: armed talent, it's it's interesting, you know. I I thought 669 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 1: the Giants would be a good situation for him a 670 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:36,720 Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago before the O b J trade, 671 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 1: because they already have some young pieces to build around, 672 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 1: like say Kwan and O b J. But I think, 673 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:43,719 Speaker 1: you know, I think it'd be good for him to 674 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,480 Speaker 1: sit behind somebody like an Eli Manning. You know, I said, 675 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:50,720 Speaker 1: he's been baptism by fire from He's never really had 676 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 1: a mentor or had a situation where he sat you know, 677 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 1: he's been a phenomenal athlete his his entire career. He 678 00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,720 Speaker 1: had Division one basketball office from on the four schools 679 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:05,720 Speaker 1: of Oklahoma. Um. Yeah, yeah, he's he's a very He's 680 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,440 Speaker 1: a phenomenal athlete. Um. Greg Marshall was going to his 681 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:12,480 Speaker 1: high school football practices to try and recruit for basketball, 682 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 1: and then he kind of saw him throw and he 683 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:19,400 Speaker 1: he realized it was a lost cause. But he uh, yeah, 684 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 1: no he I think I think the best situation for 685 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 1: him in the NFL is a team that he gets 686 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 1: sit behind of quarterback for a year and and kind 687 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,720 Speaker 1: of learned from for sure. Fun fact, by the way 688 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,680 Speaker 1: I talked about his dad playing for hid you read 689 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,760 Speaker 1: his dad, I'm trying to remember it would have been 690 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:40,720 Speaker 1: the nine season. His dad actually had a free agent 691 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,960 Speaker 1: stint with the Giants. He played in one preseason game 692 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,960 Speaker 1: for Bill Parcels up in Buffalo before getting cut. Wow, boy, 693 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,880 Speaker 1: this is like the Who's Who's seven degrees of Drew 694 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 1: lock here? That's amazing like it in terms of all 695 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:57,000 Speaker 1: of his connections when you look at his production on 696 00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 1: the field, personality aside, Alex, I think one of the 697 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,160 Speaker 1: ritiques has been well, the numbers are not there against 698 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,720 Speaker 1: elite competition in the SEC, and that he didn't necessarily 699 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:10,759 Speaker 1: deliver consistently, especially when you look at Alabama, Georgia, some 700 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:12,960 Speaker 1: of the big games that Missouri had on its schedule. 701 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,400 Speaker 1: How fair is that in terms of criticism based on 702 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,040 Speaker 1: what you've seen his performance wise against some of the 703 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 1: top caliber talent in the SEC. Yeah, I think uh, 704 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:25,319 Speaker 1: I think a couple of things. First off, you know, 705 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,800 Speaker 1: with Alabama, nobody was beating Alabama this year except for Clemson. 706 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,279 Speaker 1: I think I think that's one that that's tough. You know, 707 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,840 Speaker 1: if you look at each game and which obviously the 708 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,239 Speaker 1: NFL scoutins do. I mean, if you look at his 709 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:42,040 Speaker 1: touchdown to Jalen Knox against Alabama, it was an NFL touchdown, 710 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:45,120 Speaker 1: it was an absolute waser. He sent him across the 711 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 1: end zone after seeing the coverage and just delivered a 712 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 1: bullet to him. And obviously Missouri lost that game and 713 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:54,160 Speaker 1: it wasn't very close. But he had some throws in 714 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 1: there against the top defense Sabama that may just say wow, uh, 715 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,320 Speaker 1: he could hold his own on Sunday with some of those. 716 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:05,840 Speaker 1: I think the I think the criticisms with him against 717 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,840 Speaker 1: top competition are are fair in some ways because he 718 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,120 Speaker 1: had four years to kind of beat some teams like that. 719 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:13,760 Speaker 1: I also think it's worth noting some of the personnel 720 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 1: Missouri had in uh in some of those years. You know, 721 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,840 Speaker 1: Missouri had a top five national defensive two thousand fifteen, 722 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:23,560 Speaker 1: which would have been his freshman year. We took over 723 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:29,320 Speaker 1: the starter four or five games in and he struggled 724 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,239 Speaker 1: that and the entire unit really struggled to get first time. 725 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,960 Speaker 1: There's some injuries, there was some guys that weren't playing 726 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,080 Speaker 1: that not one hindsight shows they should have been, and 727 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:41,799 Speaker 1: that you know that you can't pin the whole thing 728 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,719 Speaker 1: on on him, with the on him with some of 729 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,640 Speaker 1: that stuff just based on you know, some of that 730 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,680 Speaker 1: stuff was widespread as a team. He had three offensive 731 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:54,759 Speaker 1: cool names through coaching changes while in Missouri, so I 732 00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,120 Speaker 1: think I gotta do the count on the quarterback coaches. 733 00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:01,040 Speaker 1: But he dealt was a lot of attrition. So um, 734 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,880 Speaker 1: I I think that some of that is fair. I 735 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,040 Speaker 1: also think that a lot of context is key in that. 736 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,600 Speaker 1: And uh, you know I talked about the basketball background. 737 00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:11,920 Speaker 1: Gary pinkelm has very long time coach who recruited in 738 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,920 Speaker 1: sign Drew and was his coaches freshman year, he was 739 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,359 Speaker 1: telling me that, you know, because Drew. I remember when 740 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,240 Speaker 1: the first time I interviewed Drew. You know, his summers 741 00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:22,040 Speaker 1: were so crazy between AU basketball and all those scouting 742 00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:25,879 Speaker 1: events like the Elite eleven, the Opening, etcetera. He once 743 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,440 Speaker 1: told me he was like going from he was dressed 744 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:32,400 Speaker 1: up in his a U uniform uh or or in 745 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:37,319 Speaker 1: basketball jumps at the Elite eleven presentation because they were 746 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,160 Speaker 1: going to presentation, hopping on a red eye and then 747 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,080 Speaker 1: gonna play an AU basketball tournament the next morning. So 748 00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,560 Speaker 1: he Gary Pinkel has always told me and that you know, 749 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:51,640 Speaker 1: he he did this a lot longer than I have that, uh, 750 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:55,319 Speaker 1: because Drew was doing so much more than football in 751 00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:59,520 Speaker 1: high school. His development kind of came later than others 752 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:03,040 Speaker 1: because is if he never fully devoted the time to 753 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,719 Speaker 1: what he was flitting between basketball football. He's did a 754 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,160 Speaker 1: little bit of high school baseball before focusing on those two, 755 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,560 Speaker 1: you know, like to not being early in Rolie at 756 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:12,480 Speaker 1: Missouri like a lot of quarterbacks are, so he could 757 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:17,359 Speaker 1: finishes basketball season. So I think that all that and 758 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,200 Speaker 1: and NFL teams will know all that, But I think 759 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,319 Speaker 1: I think all that information is worth putting into the 760 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:25,600 Speaker 1: context of him against ranked teams. Yeah, and you know 761 00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:29,360 Speaker 1: Alex and and we're joined by Alex Shiffrey covers the 762 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:33,439 Speaker 1: Mzoo Tigers for the k Kansas City Star. Another piece 763 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,160 Speaker 1: of context in there. And you kind of touched on 764 00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,000 Speaker 1: it during your last answer. And I talked to Drew 765 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,120 Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl. I was there. I was also 766 00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,120 Speaker 1: at the Combine. Had had a bye two or three 767 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:45,239 Speaker 1: minute conversation with him um dat in Alabama and and 768 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,040 Speaker 1: I asked him, you know what makes you feel like 769 00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:48,680 Speaker 1: that you're ready to make the jump to the pros. 770 00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,239 Speaker 1: And he talked about how he basically played in four 771 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:53,759 Speaker 1: different offensive systems in his years in college, and he 772 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,560 Speaker 1: learned the new system every year. You gotta think that 773 00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,960 Speaker 1: gives him a bit of a mental leg up when 774 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,600 Speaker 1: he gets to the pros and has to learn stuff. 775 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:06,200 Speaker 1: He understands how to ingest offenses on a year to 776 00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:10,439 Speaker 1: year basis. Yeah, And and something I forgot to say 777 00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:12,200 Speaker 1: my last nanse are you looking at you know the 778 00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:16,040 Speaker 1: ranked quarterback thing? I mean, Patrick Mahomes and Yard Gostin 779 00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:19,239 Speaker 1: really beat me buddy in college either and look at 780 00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:22,280 Speaker 1: they're doing pretty well for themselves. But and again that's 781 00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:26,120 Speaker 1: the Big twelve and pack twelve football, So the USC 782 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,719 Speaker 1: is the Oklahomas, et cetera of the world. But you know, 783 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:30,600 Speaker 1: to your point, I mean, it's not even that he 784 00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:33,960 Speaker 1: played a four different offenses. They were very different offenses. 785 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,760 Speaker 1: I mean Josh Hypel, who was Drew oc his sophomore 786 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,200 Speaker 1: and junior year, now the head coach at Central Florida, 787 00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,680 Speaker 1: he is kind of a disciple of the air raid offense. 788 00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:47,880 Speaker 1: He played at Oklahoma and coached under I think he 789 00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,280 Speaker 1: was attecting tech a little bit. You know, he Missouri 790 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:54,360 Speaker 1: system um Drew junior when he had the nation touchdowns, 791 00:38:54,360 --> 00:39:00,880 Speaker 1: I mean, he barely had to uh stay in the pocket. 792 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:02,960 Speaker 1: I mean they were getting rid of the ball so 793 00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:06,239 Speaker 1: quickly and running so many plays at a high tempo. 794 00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:10,960 Speaker 1: He barely got sacked. He barely had to really make 795 00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:15,160 Speaker 1: too many decisions. And his receivers I think had maybe 796 00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,680 Speaker 1: a dozen route the piece. Maybe it might have even 797 00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:22,360 Speaker 1: been less than that. And as Emmanuel Hall, his wide 798 00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:26,120 Speaker 1: out uh for a long time told me, the receivers 799 00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:29,360 Speaker 1: kind of chose their own route, like they it was 800 00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:31,359 Speaker 1: up to the receiver rest of where they were gonna go. 801 00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,480 Speaker 1: You look at Uh, you look at Derek Dooley, his 802 00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:37,680 Speaker 1: offense quitted this pasty who came from the NFL with 803 00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:41,080 Speaker 1: the Cowboys as the white House coach. He completely overhauled it. 804 00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,319 Speaker 1: He put a lot more pro style concepts in it. 805 00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,000 Speaker 1: I think it was ten times the amount of routes 806 00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:51,000 Speaker 1: he added for each receiver. He he completely overhauled the system. 807 00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:54,440 Speaker 1: So it wasn't even that he played in multiple offenses 808 00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,720 Speaker 1: in college. They were nine and day in some cases 809 00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:02,440 Speaker 1: from from each other. Well, Alex, you brought up a 810 00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,480 Speaker 1: manual Hall and you know, I think he brought up 811 00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,480 Speaker 1: a very important point about how context is so important 812 00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:11,320 Speaker 1: when you evaluate specifically the quarterback position, because whether it's college, 813 00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:14,400 Speaker 1: the NFL, it's the team, it's not necessarily one individual 814 00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:18,280 Speaker 1: as important as the quarterback position is in Hall who 815 00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,120 Speaker 1: And it's very interesting to hear that You're saying wide 816 00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,239 Speaker 1: receiver has had the freedom and flexibility to choose their 817 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,680 Speaker 1: own route. Seems crazy, but I mean that that's nuts. 818 00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:26,440 Speaker 1: I can only imagine what it's like for a quarterback 819 00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,480 Speaker 1: to deal with that. But you know, he's a guy 820 00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:31,399 Speaker 1: that put up impressive numbers in terms of average yards 821 00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,520 Speaker 1: per catch. He was up there in the nation, I 822 00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,319 Speaker 1: think over twenty two yards per catch. But you look 823 00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,879 Speaker 1: at his blazing speed and you just wonder, is there 824 00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:43,600 Speaker 1: more to his game Alex then the blazing speed, Is 825 00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:46,080 Speaker 1: there more versatility in terms of his ability run the 826 00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,640 Speaker 1: route tree or is he just mainly a vertical threat 827 00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:52,120 Speaker 1: that was working with Drew Lock. Yeah, he's I think 828 00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:54,000 Speaker 1: he's one of the most interesting cases in the draft 829 00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,360 Speaker 1: for so many reasons. It's it's funny. He told me 830 00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,680 Speaker 1: last week that teams have talked to him about playing 831 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,319 Speaker 1: with throw and I can said, with Obi j Gone 832 00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,759 Speaker 1: from the Giants, I wondered if they be he the 833 00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:06,640 Speaker 1: guy they looked at in the second or third round 834 00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,880 Speaker 1: as a compliment, if they would take true Um, you 835 00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,920 Speaker 1: know he first off when he I think what he 836 00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:15,839 Speaker 1: did at the combine is amazing. He had a fourty 837 00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,080 Speaker 1: three five I think vertical. He set the broad jump 838 00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:20,839 Speaker 1: record for his position, and he did this with an 839 00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,880 Speaker 1: injured groin and he ran a four or four forty 840 00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:25,319 Speaker 1: or four three four and I think it was four 841 00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:29,279 Speaker 1: three nine. He's four to zero went healthy, uh in 842 00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,640 Speaker 1: the forty I'm told he was a track star in 843 00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,480 Speaker 1: high school. I was rescrewed by Oregon a lot of 844 00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:39,560 Speaker 1: national powers, and because of the way the offense worked 845 00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:43,200 Speaker 1: in the Josh hyppool. You know, he's really fast guy. 846 00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:44,960 Speaker 1: You got to choose your own route. He could take 847 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,719 Speaker 1: a top off a defense, I'm gonna go deep. So 848 00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:53,520 Speaker 1: he uh, he didn't really get to show fully what 849 00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:56,120 Speaker 1: he could do while in Missouri. With all that, and 850 00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:59,919 Speaker 1: and Sar Julie comes in the first couple of games 851 00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,600 Speaker 1: the season before Manual Hall got hurt. I thought he 852 00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,040 Speaker 1: looked like a first round pick between his measurables and 853 00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,480 Speaker 1: and how they were using him, and they were having 854 00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,200 Speaker 1: him do a lot of short routes and flants, a 855 00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:16,680 Speaker 1: lot of intermediate kind of stuff. And then he got hurt. 856 00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:20,160 Speaker 1: And we go back to the point of of Drew's 857 00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,040 Speaker 1: numbers against frank teams and everything. If you look at 858 00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:27,400 Speaker 1: Missouri's numbers between having a Manual Hall and not having 859 00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,200 Speaker 1: a Manual Hall, he looks like the most important player 860 00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,759 Speaker 1: in the history of football. He's like a five time multiplier. 861 00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,520 Speaker 1: You look at their first downs, their touchdowns, their yards. 862 00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,279 Speaker 1: He just opened everything up for them on the field, 863 00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:42,200 Speaker 1: and they lost him for like six games the middle 864 00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,720 Speaker 1: of the year. You know he was out there against Georgia, 865 00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:48,640 Speaker 1: but he couldn't really do much. Um he he didn't 866 00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,200 Speaker 1: really do a lot in the game against FLI. His 867 00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,080 Speaker 1: father passed away off in the middle of the season, 868 00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,680 Speaker 1: which also drew a wrench into the whole thing. So 869 00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,200 Speaker 1: he's just had a crazy rot. And then I'm kind 870 00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:00,960 Speaker 1: of happy you guys put me on a call because 871 00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,440 Speaker 1: milk Kiper was on and he looks at Hall now. 872 00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,520 Speaker 1: But given the Pro day and and the combine, he 873 00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,480 Speaker 1: had a second third round pick, so I think he's 874 00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,160 Speaker 1: got a lot left in the tank. I think he's 875 00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:12,000 Speaker 1: their ability is a little bit of a question, but 876 00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:14,879 Speaker 1: I think he could be a really really good pro 877 00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:19,200 Speaker 1: because he checked every single box essentially. Alex, great stuff. 878 00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,160 Speaker 1: Happy to have you back on in your home state 879 00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:22,840 Speaker 1: in New Jersey. Thanks so much, and we'll talk to 880 00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:24,799 Speaker 1: you down the road, all right. Thanks a lot, Alex. Yes, 881 00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:32,200 Speaker 1: good to the accent. Take it easy, and I'm sure 882 00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:34,879 Speaker 1: I have from down They have some Northeastern is down 883 00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:38,880 Speaker 1: there hanging out with those youths down in Missouri. Right, 884 00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:43,160 Speaker 1: little of my cousin video reference, It was always appropriate 885 00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,160 Speaker 1: to bring out a program. What day was my cousin 886 00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,680 Speaker 1: Videan helped me out. Do you remember was it in Alabama? 887 00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:50,880 Speaker 1: I thought it was Alabama. Yeah, okay, we'll close. I 888 00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:54,040 Speaker 1: believe it was Alabama because if it was a country, 889 00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,160 Speaker 1: let me put it that. But if memory serves me correct, 890 00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,800 Speaker 1: there's a line when Marissa Tomay and Joe Pesci's character 891 00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,000 Speaker 1: I have a conversation I think right out the courthouse 892 00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,200 Speaker 1: and they were talking about I could be mistaken, maybe 893 00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:07,080 Speaker 1: I'm making this up, but it was about finding Chinese food, 894 00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:10,200 Speaker 1: and they're like, finding Chinese food in Alabama could be 895 00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:13,200 Speaker 1: something to that degree. I believe we remind you. Big 896 00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,240 Speaker 1: Book Could Go five is presented by cours Light. Download 897 00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:17,400 Speaker 1: the cores Light Awards apt to an Amazing Giants prizes 898 00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,239 Speaker 1: will take your calls right now with two four, five 899 00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,160 Speaker 1: on three, get on the lines, will take your calls 900 00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,000 Speaker 1: and the rest of the way a real quick lance. 901 00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,239 Speaker 1: Your reaction from the three guys, especially on the three 902 00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,279 Speaker 1: quarterbacks we touched on, well, to me, what's interesting about 903 00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:32,280 Speaker 1: these three quarterbacks is after you talk about Kyler Murray 904 00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:37,240 Speaker 1: and you know, you talk about Dwayne Haskins, you really 905 00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,359 Speaker 1: it's really the eye of the beholder in terms of 906 00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,880 Speaker 1: who puts Jones ahead of Lock, who puts career ahead 907 00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,160 Speaker 1: of Lock, and so forth. So I mean, I think 908 00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,920 Speaker 1: there's pros and cons to all of these quarterbacks. The 909 00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:52,800 Speaker 1: Lock conversation that we just had, I commend alas or 910 00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,239 Speaker 1: bringing up context because I'm a big fan of context. 911 00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:57,200 Speaker 1: I don't think you could just look at these quarterbacks 912 00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,239 Speaker 1: on an island with statistics. I think you need to 913 00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,239 Speaker 1: take it to considerate all those other factors. And I 914 00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:05,359 Speaker 1: think he brought up a lot of relevant contextual statistics 915 00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,719 Speaker 1: with Daniel Jones. You know, he checks off the mark 916 00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,160 Speaker 1: of he looks like a really good quarterback, but there's 917 00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:13,960 Speaker 1: accuracy questions and the fact that he played with a 918 00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:17,400 Speaker 1: rough offensive line. Is that a positive that he handled 919 00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,120 Speaker 1: pressure or is that an issue of Well if he 920 00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,760 Speaker 1: gets to an NFL team where there's similar issues. Kitty 921 00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,680 Speaker 1: rise to the occasion, And then with respect to it 922 00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,120 Speaker 1: was quite frankly, I don't think Duke had exactly top 923 00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:31,839 Speaker 1: towent around him well. And that's why I asked Dave 924 00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:33,920 Speaker 1: Harding about the thirty eight drop past. It was a 925 00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,200 Speaker 1: great question. We're not talking about five drop passes, John, 926 00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,120 Speaker 1: We're talking about thirty eight. You know, that was a 927 00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:40,239 Speaker 1: great It reminded me of the year when and I'm 928 00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:41,960 Speaker 1: not trying to defend Eli Manning here, but there was 929 00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,239 Speaker 1: that year where Eli had about twenty five interceptions, if 930 00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:46,719 Speaker 1: you remember John, and at least seven of them were 931 00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,359 Speaker 1: deflections off of wide receivers. So if you look at 932 00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,200 Speaker 1: the interception to say not a good season for the quarterback, 933 00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:56,040 Speaker 1: you watch every game, you provide context, and then obviously 934 00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:58,520 Speaker 1: it's a different story. So you know, that's something that 935 00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,239 Speaker 1: to me, you have to take a consideration. Greer, to me, 936 00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:04,520 Speaker 1: has always been an intriguing quarterback and for some reason 937 00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:06,759 Speaker 1: he's fallen under the radar. I don't think he's gone 938 00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:10,520 Speaker 1: in as much hype as the Locks and the Joneses 939 00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,560 Speaker 1: of the world. But my big question with Greer is 940 00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:16,240 Speaker 1: West Virginia's offense. If you've paid attention to their football 941 00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:19,040 Speaker 1: team with Holgerson Spavito, who is their o C, who's 942 00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,959 Speaker 1: now a head coach, they've consistently put up monster numbers John. 943 00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:25,320 Speaker 1: So my million dollar question is it Greer or is 944 00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:27,560 Speaker 1: it just Hey, here's another quarterback that was brought through 945 00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,600 Speaker 1: the system. He did very well, and then you wonder 946 00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,120 Speaker 1: is it gonna be able to translate. And there's been 947 00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:35,440 Speaker 1: some guys coming out of West Virginia who have been 948 00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:39,080 Speaker 1: solid quarterbacks in college and they haven't necessarily lit it 949 00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:41,480 Speaker 1: up when it comes to the NFL. So I mean, 950 00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:43,520 Speaker 1: I would say I've got question marks across the board 951 00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:46,239 Speaker 1: with all three of them. I would not necessarily take 952 00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:48,600 Speaker 1: a top ten pick on any of them as it 953 00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:50,879 Speaker 1: stands right now. I think though, if you're getting into 954 00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,439 Speaker 1: the teams and the high twenties, I think it's something 955 00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,520 Speaker 1: to consider if you think the value makes sense to 956 00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:58,520 Speaker 1: a one nine, three, nine, four or five on three. 957 00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:00,920 Speaker 1: Let's go to Den and Poconos. The eat us off today. Dan, 958 00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:04,040 Speaker 1: How are you? How are you doing? Solid? It nice 959 00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:08,680 Speaker 1: to be impatient, Dan, We appreciate it. Are You're welcome? Uh? 960 00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:11,680 Speaker 1: I just wanted to, you know, great love having all 961 00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:13,440 Speaker 1: the guests on. You know, I'm sure we all love 962 00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:15,520 Speaker 1: in here, and uh, you know firsthand unlets they're in 963 00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:18,319 Speaker 1: love with their prospects and everything. But it's great. It's 964 00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:22,200 Speaker 1: all good. Um, I just got wrong great, And I 965 00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,560 Speaker 1: guess it's just me. I'm kind of I've been a 966 00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:26,759 Speaker 1: giant band for god knows how many years. I'm in 967 00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:30,040 Speaker 1: my late fifties. And you know, it just shrives me 968 00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:33,640 Speaker 1: not how people call up they give their opinion right 969 00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:38,440 Speaker 1: on whether they want Josh Rosen as the quarterback or 970 00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:41,520 Speaker 1: they say, oh, we gotta pick Hock Skins at number six, 971 00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,600 Speaker 1: or we gotta do this, we need a quarterback. And 972 00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:46,960 Speaker 1: you know, and thank god we got Gentleman and his 973 00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:51,080 Speaker 1: guys controlling all that. But the thing that drives me 974 00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:53,880 Speaker 1: crazy is that, you know, I'm working some little out 975 00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:57,040 Speaker 1: of breath and trying to hold it in there. I 976 00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:59,759 Speaker 1: have to take a break. Now, you're fun, okay. And 977 00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:02,800 Speaker 1: but they get their information and you guys, jove me 978 00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,360 Speaker 1: a little bitch with this two. They get their information 979 00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,960 Speaker 1: from the soap opera wash women network called the NFL 980 00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:14,399 Speaker 1: Network where he's he's analysts and that Good Morning Football show. 981 00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:17,600 Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's like watching it's some touch study 982 00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:20,759 Speaker 1: it about football. And and and you guys just referenced 983 00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:24,600 Speaker 1: a mock draft by that guy Shred who just went 984 00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:27,439 Speaker 1: a couple left there in the playoffs, said that Nick 985 00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:31,040 Speaker 1: Foles was absolutely the number one. Remember he said he 986 00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:34,800 Speaker 1: was the best. He's the best clutch super Bowl quarterback 987 00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:39,920 Speaker 1: that ever lived. That you know, remember and I'm supposed 988 00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:41,640 Speaker 1: to listen to what this guy has to say as 989 00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:45,399 Speaker 1: far as the mock draft, I mean, geez Louise, and 990 00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:50,040 Speaker 1: it's just it's his mind boggling, honestly. Honestly, here here's 991 00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:53,479 Speaker 1: the problem. For For one, it's a show that's on 992 00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:56,640 Speaker 1: two hours every day. As two people that have to 993 00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:58,680 Speaker 1: phone an hour every day, we know how tough it 994 00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,239 Speaker 1: can be, and especially going all year long, they have 995 00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:03,600 Speaker 1: to find things to talk about. And sometimes you're gonna 996 00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:06,080 Speaker 1: get a hot take here and there, and it's gonna happen. 997 00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:09,560 Speaker 1: But Pete actually is pretty well versed and connected around 998 00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:12,319 Speaker 1: the league. Look, mock drafts at this time of year, 999 00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:14,960 Speaker 1: they don't mean a whole lot. I think some people 1000 00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,960 Speaker 1: do have insight, but draft boards aren't even set yet. 1001 00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:20,520 Speaker 1: And anybody that says they know who the Giants are 1002 00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:23,560 Speaker 1: gonna pick before they've even had the quarterbacks in the 1003 00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:26,319 Speaker 1: building yet to do their full day business. Remember, Dave 1004 00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:30,439 Speaker 1: Getleman didn't go to these pro days. Pat Shermer's gone, 1005 00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:33,600 Speaker 1: Chris pettit's gone. Dave spends the whole day with them 1006 00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:37,880 Speaker 1: when they come here, and ultimately that's gonna play a 1007 00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:40,480 Speaker 1: big role along with obviously what they did on tape 1008 00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:43,120 Speaker 1: into who the Giants are gonna draft. So right now 1009 00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:45,759 Speaker 1: it's a lot of speculation. We have fun with it, 1010 00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:48,520 Speaker 1: and that's why we're here. Nobody says you gotta put 1011 00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:51,759 Speaker 1: stock in substance behind every opinion correct, so you know 1012 00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:55,000 Speaker 1: that's what it comes down. You gotta fill that time 1013 00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,399 Speaker 1: in somehow, and it's not Nobody knows better than you, guys. 1014 00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:00,360 Speaker 1: It's not easy. Especially it's great having the gets in 1015 00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:02,560 Speaker 1: so you have to listen to knuckleheads like meat calling 1016 00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:09,280 Speaker 1: and talking like this. No, man, we appreciate the appreciate 1017 00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:12,040 Speaker 1: and Dan, look, we love hearing from the fans. We 1018 00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:13,759 Speaker 1: wouldn't have a show without the fans. We're here to 1019 00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,160 Speaker 1: take the calls and get the fans opinion, so we 1020 00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:18,799 Speaker 1: value what everybody has to say. And everyone look, you're 1021 00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:20,239 Speaker 1: a fan. That's the whole point of having a fan 1022 00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:21,680 Speaker 1: is to have an opinion, right, you love the team, 1023 00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:23,680 Speaker 1: you're into it, you're calling, you have an opinion. We 1024 00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:25,360 Speaker 1: talked about and we have fun with it. Well, the 1025 00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:28,320 Speaker 1: bottom line is the opinions you just have some facts 1026 00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:30,319 Speaker 1: behind them. That's all. That's why I said it. It's 1027 00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:32,880 Speaker 1: up to you to put stock in substance behind the opinion. 1028 00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:36,439 Speaker 1: But if somebody is providing facts or conversations they've had, 1029 00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:38,879 Speaker 1: then I don't think they're just throwing stuff out there 1030 00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:40,520 Speaker 1: to stick on the wall. It's just a matter of 1031 00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:44,440 Speaker 1: you have to decipher what you hold in high regard. 1032 00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,600 Speaker 1: And I think some people are probably in terms of 1033 00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:49,680 Speaker 1: the people that do the mock drafts and the reporters, 1034 00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:52,200 Speaker 1: some people are more dialed into what teams are thinking 1035 00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:54,440 Speaker 1: than others. I think some people out there just say 1036 00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:56,160 Speaker 1: this seems like a good fit out put them there. 1037 00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:58,600 Speaker 1: I think other people actually do talk to people around 1038 00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:00,960 Speaker 1: the league, and frankly, I think Peter Schregar is one 1039 00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,440 Speaker 1: of them, and I think they have a better feeling 1040 00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:05,279 Speaker 1: of what teams are going to do now. He said 1041 00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:08,120 Speaker 1: in his little blurb underneath that, and you actually hear 1042 00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:10,360 Speaker 1: from Peter Schregar. We're gonna launch a new podcasts in 1043 00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:12,239 Speaker 1: the coming days and he's gonna be our first guest, 1044 00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:13,680 Speaker 1: and we talk about this, so you can make sure 1045 00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:15,680 Speaker 1: you tune and then we'll get more into it. But 1046 00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:18,160 Speaker 1: it's called the Big Blue Huddle, by the way, make 1047 00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:19,360 Speaker 1: sure you stay tuned. It will be on all the 1048 00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:22,200 Speaker 1: podcast platforms everything like that next couple of days. But 1049 00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:27,120 Speaker 1: he talks about to me, how look, these guys are 1050 00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,200 Speaker 1: gonna show up and they're gonna sell themselves, and they 1051 00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:31,400 Speaker 1: have these full day meetings, and he says, if the 1052 00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:34,800 Speaker 1: Giants fall in love with a quarterback and they believe 1053 00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:36,879 Speaker 1: that that guy is good enough to be the next 1054 00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:40,319 Speaker 1: franchise quarterback, he believes they'll pick him at six. And 1055 00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:44,000 Speaker 1: he has said that Dave Gentleman doesn't throw up smoke screens, 1056 00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:46,239 Speaker 1: didn't tell you what he thinks. I mean, he didn't 1057 00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:48,120 Speaker 1: hide the fact that love state corm Barkley last year day. 1058 00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:50,040 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think that was like a state 1059 00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:53,000 Speaker 1: secret pad in me said, your mother kids scout him. Correct, correct, 1060 00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:55,560 Speaker 1: And he has said that they want to find the 1061 00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:58,279 Speaker 1: Giant sex franchise quarterback. Pat Charmer said today at the 1062 00:51:58,239 --> 00:51:59,839 Speaker 1: Owner's meaning, we'll go through the quote before we say 1063 00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:02,640 Speaker 1: good by that better sooner than later the Giants get 1064 00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:06,160 Speaker 1: their next quarterback in here, So connect the dots. No 1065 00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:08,640 Speaker 1: one's hiding the fact that Giants are looking for a quarterback. 1066 00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:11,840 Speaker 1: It's just a matter whether or not they believe whoever 1067 00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:16,600 Speaker 1: is available at six or seventeen is better or as 1068 00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:19,160 Speaker 1: good as the other players that are available at six 1069 00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:21,200 Speaker 1: and seventeen, and that's where determined whether or not they 1070 00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:23,560 Speaker 1: picked the quarterback when they're up the draft. Well, and 1071 00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:26,440 Speaker 1: mock drafts to me are absolutely meaningless other than just 1072 00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:28,319 Speaker 1: filling up time before the draft. At the end of 1073 00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:30,680 Speaker 1: the day, does anyone go back and look how accurate 1074 00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:32,319 Speaker 1: mock drafts are? Do you go back and you look 1075 00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:34,440 Speaker 1: at what the guy wrote down five weeks prior to 1076 00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:37,759 Speaker 1: the draft, So especially this looks I think the week 1077 00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:40,239 Speaker 1: of the draft, certain guys who can be like, all right, 1078 00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:43,480 Speaker 1: maybe we're seeing a pattern here, but you're right. I mean, well, 1079 00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:46,560 Speaker 1: but even if it's a mock draft that you like, 1080 00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:48,600 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, the draft still has 1081 00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:50,840 Speaker 1: to happen, of course, so who cares who they predicted 1082 00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:52,759 Speaker 1: to go with the third overall pick. Then the third 1083 00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:54,520 Speaker 1: overall pick is gonna happen. You gotta live with that 1084 00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:57,600 Speaker 1: player going third overall. So you know, mock drafts are 1085 00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:01,120 Speaker 1: to fill up time because there's so any months from 1086 00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:02,880 Speaker 1: the end of the season to the draft, and they 1087 00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:04,839 Speaker 1: get a lot of clicks. Yeah, it gives people an 1088 00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:07,279 Speaker 1: opportunity at nausea and to talk about the same things 1089 00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:09,480 Speaker 1: over and over again. I mean, did one person predict 1090 00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:12,040 Speaker 1: the Browns gonna take Denzel Ward fourth overall last year? 1091 00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:15,000 Speaker 1: I don't remember anybody actually throwing that out there either, 1092 00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:17,080 Speaker 1: do I. So there you go. That's why. And the 1093 00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:19,200 Speaker 1: cults are very happy that Quinn Nelson will sitting there sex. 1094 00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:20,960 Speaker 1: They had no complaints and it worked out very well 1095 00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:23,720 Speaker 1: for them. We should add Anthony and Charleston's next. Anthony, 1096 00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:26,760 Speaker 1: what's up? Hey, guys, how are you? We're doing great? Anthony, 1097 00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:30,920 Speaker 1: what's up? Awesome? Personal? Thanks for all the college scouting stuff. 1098 00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:33,239 Speaker 1: You know, it's real detailed, and I think he gives 1099 00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:36,800 Speaker 1: a perspective that thank you now is nuanced. It sounds 1100 00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:45,920 Speaker 1: crazy nuance on new nuance on the internet. What's going on? Anthony? Um, 1101 00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:47,759 Speaker 1: if I'm looking at it, the offense is going to 1102 00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:51,480 Speaker 1: be good. So you've got a good offensive line, you've 1103 00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:53,640 Speaker 1: got good skill positions. I've called it before, I said, 1104 00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:56,680 Speaker 1: way overloaded at skills. I didn't think they would go 1105 00:53:56,760 --> 00:54:02,120 Speaker 1: that far when we addressed that. My optional call is 1106 00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:05,920 Speaker 1: about the defense in the scheme, right, So, um, if 1107 00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:07,719 Speaker 1: you look at when we won last year, and it 1108 00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:12,080 Speaker 1: was against good defenses, but bad offenses. Right, So the 1109 00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:15,480 Speaker 1: defense after we had the fire sale didn't really have 1110 00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:17,919 Speaker 1: to do much to win, but then we played good 1111 00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:21,120 Speaker 1: offenses and the defense couldn't hold up, right, Yeah, I mean, 1112 00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:23,880 Speaker 1: I think I think you sold the issues against good offenses, 1113 00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:25,719 Speaker 1: frankly more in the first half of the year. In 1114 00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:28,280 Speaker 1: the second half of the year when they you know, Dallas, 1115 00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:30,920 Speaker 1: they scored plenty of points. They couldn't and Dallas is 1116 00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:33,160 Speaker 1: a better defense than offense, right, they gave up too many. 1117 00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:35,080 Speaker 1: And then you have the Colts game too, But yeah, 1118 00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:37,799 Speaker 1: you're right. I think in general, when they played the 1119 00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:41,000 Speaker 1: top top quarterbacks, that's when the Giants probably struggled the most. 1120 00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:44,920 Speaker 1: I think that's fair. So you know, I'm looking at it. 1121 00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:48,080 Speaker 1: I'm a little nervous, right because you've definitely showed up 1122 00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:52,080 Speaker 1: the top end of the defense. In terms of Peppers, 1123 00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:55,520 Speaker 1: you got to say that Jenkins are still playing well. 1124 00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:57,480 Speaker 1: I know we don't. You know, some people don't love them, 1125 00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:00,759 Speaker 1: but he actually graded out pretty well. He's hoping, yeah, 1126 00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:04,040 Speaker 1: and you're hoping deals the guy. There's not much behind 1127 00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:07,520 Speaker 1: that outside maybe Michael Thomas, right, and hopefully, um, you know, 1128 00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:10,239 Speaker 1: some of the young guys. But that's pretty thing. You 1129 00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:13,919 Speaker 1: have no edge rusher and you're you're outside linebackers, which 1130 00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:17,320 Speaker 1: invet your scheme is huge because you need his own blitz. 1131 00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:19,719 Speaker 1: You need to run man right, you want to run multiples. 1132 00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:22,719 Speaker 1: That's going to be difficult because what do we have 1133 00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:27,800 Speaker 1: Lenzo Carter is that it will be the other guy. 1134 00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:31,120 Speaker 1: And so I mean, you're real thin there, and you 1135 00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:35,120 Speaker 1: know I think, um, you know, Ocle Tree play fair 1136 00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:37,759 Speaker 1: but not amazing. So you're looking at the draft, You've 1137 00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:40,640 Speaker 1: got three picks in the top thirty seven. I'm not 1138 00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:43,840 Speaker 1: sure anyone could argue that the most important position of 1139 00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:49,239 Speaker 1: need is defensive lines because we have to be able 1140 00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:51,440 Speaker 1: to stop the quarterback. I mean, we are not going 1141 00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:54,000 Speaker 1: to win games, no argument. If if you want to 1142 00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:56,719 Speaker 1: argue purely on how who do you draft to win 1143 00:55:56,760 --> 00:56:01,560 Speaker 1: the most games, You're gonna see eight players on defense 1144 00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:04,839 Speaker 1: in this draft. Defensive lineman, cornerbacks, and maybe a couple 1145 00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:06,520 Speaker 1: of lineback I mean, but you could have made that 1146 00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:09,759 Speaker 1: argument even before free agency. They had thirty sacks last 1147 00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:15,240 Speaker 1: season as a team. We're talking about the National Football League, 1148 00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:17,440 Speaker 1: So you know you need the defensive lineman who could 1149 00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:19,279 Speaker 1: stop to run and get after the quarterback. And I 1150 00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:21,160 Speaker 1: saw a comment from Pat Shermer when he spoke to 1151 00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:23,200 Speaker 1: the media this morning at the owner's meetings that he said, 1152 00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:25,600 Speaker 1: we have to find guys that could get after the quarterback. 1153 00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:28,560 Speaker 1: So it goes without saying they don't just need one, 1154 00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:31,360 Speaker 1: they need a number of options that they could rotate. 1155 00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:33,560 Speaker 1: And you know, Marcus Golden is another guy that they 1156 00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:35,920 Speaker 1: brought in via free agency who had a career year 1157 00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:38,320 Speaker 1: under Betcher in sixteen where he had twelve and a 1158 00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:40,880 Speaker 1: half sacks. But you need to continue to add volume. 1159 00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:43,760 Speaker 1: There's no doubt about it that the Giants need to 1160 00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:47,560 Speaker 1: bolster that defensive front so that they can rotate players 1161 00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:51,919 Speaker 1: like the Philadelphia Eagles, similar to the Washington Redskins, where 1162 00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:55,400 Speaker 1: you have five six guys and you're not playing one 1163 00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:58,600 Speaker 1: or two guys nine nine percent to the Snaps. Remember 1164 00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:03,120 Speaker 1: Vernon and Jpp played the Snaps in two thousand sixteen, 1165 00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:05,520 Speaker 1: and that was when Spaggs was the defensive coordinator. And 1166 00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:07,719 Speaker 1: Spaggs even came out and admitted he didn't want to 1167 00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:09,840 Speaker 1: he didn't want to do that. He felt he was 1168 00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:12,080 Speaker 1: putting his two top guys in a precarious spot. But 1169 00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:14,560 Speaker 1: he said, how can I take off my best elite 1170 00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:17,280 Speaker 1: talent off the field if there's a drop off from 1171 00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:19,880 Speaker 1: the starters to the back end. And the quote from Shermer, 1172 00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:21,760 Speaker 1: by the way today was we need to get someone 1173 00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:23,720 Speaker 1: who can affect the quarterback. That was the quote from 1174 00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:27,640 Speaker 1: Pat Schremmer today via Paul Schwartz from the Post. So yeah, 1175 00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:30,200 Speaker 1: and that's I mean, so you guys are calling what 1176 00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:33,600 Speaker 1: I'm saying. I'll leave with a question, um, because in 1177 00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:37,120 Speaker 1: better scheme, it seems that your defensive ends do at 1178 00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:40,360 Speaker 1: times need to drop off, especially right when they when 1179 00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:42,920 Speaker 1: the back flares out or you have those you know, 1180 00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:46,120 Speaker 1: those opposite side blitz. Is like, someone's going to need 1181 00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:48,960 Speaker 1: to be able to have some basic coverage skills, you know, 1182 00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:52,120 Speaker 1: especially if the guy that we're looking to draft needs 1183 00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:55,280 Speaker 1: to be that kind of defensive end. Who is the 1184 00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:57,960 Speaker 1: most likely to set that scheme, who could drop who 1185 00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:01,600 Speaker 1: has the athletic skills to be able to rush and 1186 00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:04,120 Speaker 1: stop the run. That's my only problem with Golden. I think, 1187 00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:06,320 Speaker 1: you know, he might get overwhelmed in the run game, 1188 00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:08,840 Speaker 1: you know, but could actually leak out and cover to 1189 00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:12,200 Speaker 1: allow better to be more creative on defense. Carter, and 1190 00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:14,160 Speaker 1: I'll leave on that I appreciate it, thanks for the call. 1191 00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:16,360 Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's Lorenzo Carter. I think he 1192 00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:19,280 Speaker 1: has to develop more as a pass rusher in order 1193 00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:21,200 Speaker 1: to be an edge rusher. I think his strength right 1194 00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:23,040 Speaker 1: now is in space. You know, he's a great athlete. 1195 00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:25,480 Speaker 1: He did that at Georgia. We saw him cover San 1196 00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:28,840 Speaker 1: Francisco Grata down down the field on the wheel round. 1197 00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:31,560 Speaker 1: No question. I think he's the guy that has the 1198 00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:34,960 Speaker 1: versatility to do both. Yeah, I think that Lorenzo Carter 1199 00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:37,720 Speaker 1: certainly has the upside. And and I keep referring to 1200 00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:39,959 Speaker 1: that San Francisco game, which you just brought up as well. 1201 00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:42,200 Speaker 1: I think that was somewhat of a coming out party 1202 00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:44,280 Speaker 1: for him because it was really the first time and 1203 00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:47,120 Speaker 1: that was the second half of the season where they said, hey, Lorenzo, 1204 00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:48,840 Speaker 1: we're gonna put you in a position where we have 1205 00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:51,240 Speaker 1: confidence that you could drop back and coverage. So if 1206 00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:54,600 Speaker 1: you're just tapping into his potential late last season, now 1207 00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:58,400 Speaker 1: another training camp, spring workouts, why can't they perhaps get 1208 00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:01,240 Speaker 1: him to flap his wings a little bit more entering 1209 00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:03,840 Speaker 1: this second season. I think he's the guy, but I 1210 00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:05,840 Speaker 1: also think that they're gonna look to address that in 1211 00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:08,000 Speaker 1: the draft too, and try to bring in some more 1212 00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:10,360 Speaker 1: versatility at that position. I want to remind you big 1213 00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:12,560 Speaker 1: we could go five is presented by corps Light. Download 1214 00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:14,520 Speaker 1: the cores Light Awards after to an amazing Giants Prizes. 1215 00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:16,160 Speaker 1: Marco and Knegian will be our final college you want 1216 00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:18,240 Speaker 1: to read to come more quotes real quick from the 1217 00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:20,400 Speaker 1: owners meetings Tom Rock and Paul Schwartz. If you go 1218 00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:22,640 Speaker 1: to their Twitter pages. Uh, they have some good quotes. 1219 00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:26,320 Speaker 1: Patch Charmer spoke this morning at around eleven o'clock Eastern times. 1220 00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:27,600 Speaker 1: So we'll give you a couple of those quotes. But 1221 00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:29,600 Speaker 1: I do think some of them are are are fairly 1222 00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:31,280 Speaker 1: important in terms of where the Giants are going in 1223 00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:33,720 Speaker 1: the future. Um, I'll skip all the reactions to the 1224 00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:36,640 Speaker 1: Beckham stuff, and I think we've gotten plenty of that. Uh. 1225 00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:39,400 Speaker 1: Here we go from Shermer. There are numerous good players 1226 00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:40,680 Speaker 1: in this draft. We've done a heck of a lot 1227 00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:42,800 Speaker 1: of work on all the quarterbacks we could potentially draft. 1228 00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:46,520 Speaker 1: We'll see if the final analysis how it all stacks up. Uh. 1229 00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:48,840 Speaker 1: Shermer on the question he asked himself a meeting with 1230 00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:52,120 Speaker 1: the quarterbacks, Shermer answered, do I want to coach this 1231 00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:57,440 Speaker 1: guy on whether Haskins moves well enough. Sure, absolutely. On 1232 00:59:57,600 --> 01:00:00,640 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray size, probably not that to give an issue 1233 01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:05,560 Speaker 1: talking about uh, let's see a couple other things here, 1234 01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:09,480 Speaker 1: Eli Manning all in on the k C model, and 1235 01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:11,240 Speaker 1: again it's not his job to mentor the player, but 1236 01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:13,000 Speaker 1: the player can watch him play and learn what it's 1237 01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:15,520 Speaker 1: like to be an NFL quarterback. So, um, those are 1238 01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:17,720 Speaker 1: some of the things that he talked about, uh down 1239 01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:20,720 Speaker 1: in Arizona, which is important. This is an important draft 1240 01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:23,280 Speaker 1: for us. Asked if they can make significant upgrades on 1241 01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:26,000 Speaker 1: this team in the draft, he said, I think so, 1242 01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:28,720 Speaker 1: And I think that's a lot of the important stuff 1243 01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:30,440 Speaker 1: that Pat Tremer said out there. So let's let's get 1244 01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:33,840 Speaker 1: the Marco to wrap up today. Marco, what's up? Pal? Hey, guys, 1245 01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:36,640 Speaker 1: too quick questions. A great job as always with these 1246 01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:40,880 Speaker 1: uh what these interviews? They're awesome. Um. Hey, how how 1247 01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:43,680 Speaker 1: he's about six two six three. I think he measured in. 1248 01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:45,640 Speaker 1: I can give you the exact I can give the 1249 01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:48,200 Speaker 1: exact tight right here, six four actually, oh he comes 1250 01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:52,360 Speaker 1: six four six. He is a perfect NFL size quarterback. 1251 01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:54,640 Speaker 1: Daniel Jones is six five so just as a means 1252 01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:58,640 Speaker 1: in comparison, is much bigger than I thought. Okay, he's 1253 01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:02,240 Speaker 1: a big boy. He's thick too, and he's thick. I see, 1254 01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:07,080 Speaker 1: I I don't. I think Locke is like, if you're 1255 01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:10,000 Speaker 1: gonna think of a guy that could potentially sit a year. 1256 01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:13,800 Speaker 1: I love his upside. I love his athleticism. I love 1257 01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:16,200 Speaker 1: that he's someone that, like just like the guy said 1258 01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:18,320 Speaker 1: he had on, he's someone that if he could just 1259 01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:21,120 Speaker 1: sit in one scheme and one system for a year, 1260 01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:25,240 Speaker 1: imagine just sitting behind Eli. I think Sky's winned for him. 1261 01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:28,120 Speaker 1: I'm you don't like now, people want to throw mahomes around, 1262 01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:30,400 Speaker 1: but that's actually who I think. I saw him in 1263 01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:34,480 Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl, like doing like these like side arm throws. 1264 01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:38,160 Speaker 1: He's he's he's definitely like an athlete and he'd be fun. Yeah, Marco, 1265 01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:39,760 Speaker 1: here's the thing. Here's the thing about Drew Lock and 1266 01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:41,720 Speaker 1: this is how I'll compare him a little bit. You 1267 01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:44,960 Speaker 1: go back to last year and you saw Josh Allen 1268 01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:48,439 Speaker 1: coming out of Wyoming, right, and he was somebody that 1269 01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:50,880 Speaker 1: was an unbelievable athlete, had a big time on but 1270 01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:54,480 Speaker 1: he was really inaccurate and consistent to me, Locke doesn't 1271 01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:57,560 Speaker 1: have quite the level of physical tools that Alan had, 1272 01:01:58,080 --> 01:02:01,520 Speaker 1: but he is a far more advanced thrower of the 1273 01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:04,040 Speaker 1: football in terms of the offenses he's run and the 1274 01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:07,080 Speaker 1: way he plays quarterbacks. So that would be the comparison 1275 01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:10,600 Speaker 1: i'd make from last year to this year with Lock 1276 01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:13,440 Speaker 1: and Allen and Paul Schwartz's reported before that Alan was 1277 01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:16,640 Speaker 1: Schrmer's favorite quarterback last year, so it makes sense to 1278 01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:19,439 Speaker 1: me that maybe he would like Drew Lock this year. 1279 01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:24,760 Speaker 1: Who knows um second question, last year, I couldn't remember 1280 01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:27,919 Speaker 1: if the Giants were picking two, if you guys had 1281 01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:31,480 Speaker 1: on someone from Cleveland before the draft since they were 1282 01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:34,480 Speaker 1: picking one. Uh, the reason I'm asking at the combine 1283 01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:37,280 Speaker 1: we did. At the combine we did. But yeah, yeah, exactly. 1284 01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:40,400 Speaker 1: I would love like going into this year because six 1285 01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:43,640 Speaker 1: is kind of hard to size out what the other 1286 01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:47,760 Speaker 1: five teams are doing. But specifically Arizona, I'm really curious 1287 01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:51,600 Speaker 1: about them about Rosen and like, did you hear so 1288 01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:54,000 Speaker 1: much stuff about Rosen and like, oh, he's not liked 1289 01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:57,280 Speaker 1: in his attitude and I really would love to like 1290 01:02:57,360 --> 01:02:59,920 Speaker 1: hear someone from there kind of validate those things. That's 1291 01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:02,800 Speaker 1: like he's actually like a good kid. Or he's actually 1292 01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:05,400 Speaker 1: his teammates liked them. I'd love to hear that if 1293 01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:07,640 Speaker 1: there's an opportunity John and Lance to get somebody on 1294 01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:09,440 Speaker 1: from there. I mean, I don't think that that's the 1295 01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:11,960 Speaker 1: big issue with Josh Rosen. I just think it's Cliff 1296 01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:16,040 Speaker 1: Kingsbury liking Kyler Murray and obviously they had a horrendous 1297 01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:19,120 Speaker 1: offensive season last year and whether or not Rosen still 1298 01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:22,480 Speaker 1: has upside, but you know, based on context. Remember Rosen 1299 01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:26,200 Speaker 1: start off with one offensive coordinator. They fired him Byron Leftwich, 1300 01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:28,600 Speaker 1: who was the first time offensive coordinator, takes over, and 1301 01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:30,880 Speaker 1: Rosen didn't even start the first two games because Sam 1302 01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:33,320 Speaker 1: Bradford was one and he had no offensive line from 1303 01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:36,040 Speaker 1: Marco Marco by the way. One other thing, just the nugget, 1304 01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:38,800 Speaker 1: and it sounds like I'm promoting the other podcast, which 1305 01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:40,840 Speaker 1: I am, but I think it makes a lot of sense. 1306 01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:44,120 Speaker 1: I like, like I said, I talked to Peter Schreeger, 1307 01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:46,480 Speaker 1: it's gonna be on the Big Blue Huddle podcast. Make 1308 01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:47,720 Speaker 1: sure you check it out. It's coming out the next 1309 01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:51,000 Speaker 1: couple of days. And he said at the combine, he said, look, 1310 01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:53,000 Speaker 1: I think Steve Wilkes has comfortable with me saying this. 1311 01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:55,120 Speaker 1: He talked to Steve Wilkes off the record at the 1312 01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:57,400 Speaker 1: combine and he asked them, you know, what was it 1313 01:03:57,440 --> 01:03:59,840 Speaker 1: like coaching Josh Rosen? Trying to like, you know, lead 1314 01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:01,840 Speaker 1: the horse to water to say, you know, he was 1315 01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:03,520 Speaker 1: a bit of a pain in the buttle whatever. And 1316 01:04:03,560 --> 01:04:06,600 Speaker 1: apparently Wilkes had nothing but good things to say about 1317 01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:09,720 Speaker 1: him off the record after he was fired by the organization, 1318 01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:12,760 Speaker 1: so we had no reason to sugarcoat things and and 1319 01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:14,959 Speaker 1: say things that weren't true. And Wilke said that Rosen 1320 01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:17,080 Speaker 1: was a great teammate, great player, and he had no 1321 01:04:17,120 --> 01:04:19,440 Speaker 1: problems coaching him in Arizona. So hopefully that will give 1322 01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:20,600 Speaker 1: you a little bit of a nugget of what you're 1323 01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:23,200 Speaker 1: looking for. So here's just ten seconds time I thought 1324 01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:26,040 Speaker 1: about Rosen. Then, so why if the GM is still there, 1325 01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:27,880 Speaker 1: This is just what I'm curious about. The GM is 1326 01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:30,640 Speaker 1: still there, and they picked this quarterback, even if you 1327 01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:32,520 Speaker 1: think it's a smoke screen and they're not going to 1328 01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:36,240 Speaker 1: pick Murray, why even mess with the idea of that 1329 01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:39,280 Speaker 1: we possibly would draft another quarterback and mess with this quarterback. 1330 01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:42,080 Speaker 1: Whill you pick lash Year if people possibly like him? 1331 01:04:42,120 --> 01:04:44,440 Speaker 1: That's what I don't get about it because his attitude 1332 01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:47,120 Speaker 1: stuff has always been out there as far as when 1333 01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:49,320 Speaker 1: he was in high school. So it's like, that's what 1334 01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:51,240 Speaker 1: I'm curious about. It's like, oh, if that's not the issue, 1335 01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:55,240 Speaker 1: is an injuries? I don't know. I don't think said, 1336 01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:58,480 Speaker 1: well that's the thing, Yeah, exactly, No, I don't think. 1337 01:04:58,520 --> 01:05:00,840 Speaker 1: I think you're reading too much into it, go I think. 1338 01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:05,000 Speaker 1: And first of all, even if it is BS, why 1339 01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:08,160 Speaker 1: would you fault Arizona for trying to drive up the 1340 01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:10,600 Speaker 1: value of the first overall pick. Let teams think that 1341 01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:12,800 Speaker 1: they're taking Marie and let them wow them with an 1342 01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:15,680 Speaker 1: offer to get them to drop off the number one 1343 01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:17,720 Speaker 1: overall pick. I don't think that's a problem. I think 1344 01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:20,920 Speaker 1: that's good executive decision making. And Marco and and I 1345 01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:23,280 Speaker 1: had the same argument you did. And when people are 1346 01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:25,000 Speaker 1: telling me this, to comme on, I would go back 1347 01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:26,600 Speaker 1: and them like, goes, this doesn't make sense to me. 1348 01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:29,240 Speaker 1: I don't understand why a team would do this. And 1349 01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:31,960 Speaker 1: their argument was very simple. Steve Kim has had a 1350 01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:34,520 Speaker 1: lot of issues, right and they've struggled, so maybe he's 1351 01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:37,200 Speaker 1: worried about his job security and you might think, well, 1352 01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:38,920 Speaker 1: you know then he's baling on his first round pick 1353 01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:40,840 Speaker 1: quarterback from last year, and you know that would reflect 1354 01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:43,160 Speaker 1: poorly on him. Yeah. Sure, But at the same time, 1355 01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:47,200 Speaker 1: if Cliff Kingsbury fails, guess who's gonna fail with him? 1356 01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:50,280 Speaker 1: The general manager, So he wants to give the coach 1357 01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:55,440 Speaker 1: the best tool possible to succeed playing the way he 1358 01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:58,160 Speaker 1: wants to play. And if his heart of hearts he 1359 01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:01,120 Speaker 1: believed that guy is Kyler Murray, and it gives this 1360 01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:04,840 Speaker 1: coach who's he's depending on to succeed the best chance 1361 01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:07,560 Speaker 1: to win. That's why you move on from Rosen. It's 1362 01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:09,640 Speaker 1: not a shot at Rosen. There's no problems with Rosen. 1363 01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:11,840 Speaker 1: This is that they think Murray is the better fit 1364 01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:14,240 Speaker 1: with kings Barry Well. But what I'm also angling is 1365 01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:17,120 Speaker 1: the fact that even if they're content with Rosen and 1366 01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:18,840 Speaker 1: this is just all a smoke screen, I don't think 1367 01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:21,800 Speaker 1: there's anything wrong with having a smoke screen because team 1368 01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:24,480 Speaker 1: should think that you're using the first overall pick on marine. 1369 01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:27,040 Speaker 1: If they really want Murray, they have to now give 1370 01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:29,600 Speaker 1: you everything, including the kitchen singing. And there are no 1371 01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:32,480 Speaker 1: indications that Rosen is on the trade block. Yeah, it's 1372 01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:35,920 Speaker 1: just pure speculation. We gotta rut Marco. Thank you. And 1373 01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:39,040 Speaker 1: by the way, just this whole quarterback debat and everything 1374 01:06:39,080 --> 01:06:41,880 Speaker 1: that Pat shermot throughout the Casey model, people need to 1375 01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:44,280 Speaker 1: stop throwing out that the Casey model is to find 1376 01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:47,520 Speaker 1: the next Patrick Mahomes. The Casey model is of veteran 1377 01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:51,280 Speaker 1: quarterback mentoring a young quarterback. That's what the Casey model is. 1378 01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:53,840 Speaker 1: It's not finding Patrick Mahomes. I don't even want to 1379 01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:57,280 Speaker 1: use the word mentoring. How about young quarterback not starting 1380 01:06:57,360 --> 01:06:59,600 Speaker 1: his first year playing behind it if you want to 1381 01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:01,840 Speaker 1: do it, like the reason being is because people act 1382 01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:03,600 Speaker 1: as if Kansas City is the only team in the 1383 01:07:03,640 --> 01:07:07,280 Speaker 1: history of the NFL. Brett Farve, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, 1384 01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:09,520 Speaker 1: Philip Rivers. I'm not gonna bore you, but I'm so 1385 01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:12,240 Speaker 1: tired of hearing they people hear the case amount and 1386 01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:15,120 Speaker 1: like well, Alex Smith in the Chiefs won games consistently 1387 01:07:15,160 --> 01:07:17,880 Speaker 1: and made the playoffs. It's not to be taken literally. 1388 01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:22,240 Speaker 1: It's not duplicating case. It's having a young quarterback and 1389 01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:26,520 Speaker 1: a veteran quarterback working together. Period. That's it. Thank you, 1390 01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:30,040 Speaker 1: and it's something By the way, the league basically has 1391 01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:32,840 Speaker 1: always done until the last ten years when guys have 1392 01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:34,480 Speaker 1: been putting. I mean, look at Steve McNair back in 1393 01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:37,760 Speaker 1: the day he sat behind for two years. Tons of 1394 01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:42,320 Speaker 1: guys that beaure's nothing news, good stuff. Absolutely tomorrow will 1395 01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:46,280 Speaker 1: cover the Ohio state, but guys with our boy Bill Rabinowitz, 1396 01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:48,920 Speaker 1: who had every year, and we'll touch on Dwayne Haskins 1397 01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:52,680 Speaker 1: and the bevity of prospects coming out of Ohio State 1398 01:07:52,680 --> 01:07:55,200 Speaker 1: for a Lance Meddalle'm John schmlcoll see tomorrow noon Big 1399 01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:57,200 Speaker 1: book kick off on giants dot com. We'll see you 1400 01:07:57,240 --> 01:07:57,800 Speaker 1: that have going