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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 2: Blazarre and Lazarn. Hello, everybody nailed it, joined us always

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Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex bars.

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Speaker 2: The Giants on paper have a pass rush that you

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Speaker 2: should fear. You know, Abdul Carter, Brian Burns, Dexter Lawrence

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Speaker 2: rushing in the middle. It's a good group. They have

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Speaker 2: widely underperformed and that's why they're head coaching. Their defensive

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Speaker 2: coordinator no longer have jobs. I would say that's the

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Speaker 2: main reason they have the second highest payroll in the

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Speaker 2: NFL on defense, including a third overall pick Rookie and

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Speaker 2: Abdul Carter all invested in their defense, Bibodeaux, Carter, Burns, Lawrence,

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Speaker 2: and with that group they are twenty third in pressure rate.

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Speaker 2: One of the keys to this game, Alex, was how

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Speaker 2: well the Patriots offensive line played against this Giant's pass rush.

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Speaker 2: Really just across the board, a really good game, and

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Speaker 2: we're going to get to all of that here in

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Speaker 2: a second when we break down this win over the Giants.

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Speaker 2: A really impressive win I thought from the Patriots and

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Speaker 2: I have some thoughts on that. I'm going to try

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Speaker 2: my best to not upset the entire state of Colorado today.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm going to be able to

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Speaker 2: accomplish that, even with my opening take of the day

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Speaker 2: might upset some of those people. So if you're watching Hello, Welcome,

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Speaker 2: you can hear some more of that here today. But

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Speaker 2: it's Evan Lazarre, it's Alex Barth, it's Alex behind the glass.

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Speaker 2: We are going to be rolling with you guys here

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Speaker 2: for the next couple hours. No game to preview Barth

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Speaker 2: for next week, so we'll definitely have some more listener involvement,

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Speaker 2: I think in today's show here in the second hour.

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Speaker 2: But we'll start with Patriots, will start with paid giants

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Speaker 2: breaking down this game, and I'll just start with this.

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Speaker 2: You know, I have been very tried to be very

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Speaker 2: reluctant about crowding the Patriots too early and really crowding them, frankly,

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Speaker 2: before they have truly accomplished anything like being the number

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Speaker 2: one seed in week thirteen doesn't throw you any parades,

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Speaker 2: right like that. That's not the end goal here for

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Speaker 2: any team in the NFL. With that being said, though,

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Speaker 2: the Patriots played a couple of weeks ago on Thursday

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Speaker 2: So I've had an opportunity to watch a lot of

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Speaker 2: the league the last two or three weeks and a

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Speaker 2: lot of the AFC, and coming off this game against

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Speaker 2: the Giants, I feel pretty confident, pretty comfortable saying that

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Speaker 2: I think the Patriots are the best team in the conference.

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Speaker 2: I think the Patriots the best team in the AFC.

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Speaker 2: I think that they should be the favorite, the front

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Speaker 2: runner to represent the AFC in the Super And I

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Speaker 2: think the main reason why I feel so strongly about

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Speaker 2: that is that, of course the MVP at quarterback. But

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Speaker 2: the second thing is in what I just came away

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Speaker 2: that they played with on Monday Night. I did not

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Speaker 2: think they had enough gas in the tank to play

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Speaker 2: the way they did in the first half and to

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Speaker 2: fly around the field like that and to hit like that, Like,

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Speaker 2: when's the last time you saw a modern team, you know,

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Speaker 2: play like that anymore. A lot of that's because it's

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Speaker 2: been legislated out of the league. But the Patriots did

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Speaker 2: And the last thing that I kind of wanted to

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Speaker 1: I'll just say this on the schedule thing, and that's

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Speaker 1: into it. You know, you look at what the Broncos did.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how much your analysis about the Patriots

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Speaker 2: It's not college football.

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Speaker 1: Style points don't matter, there is no committee, you're not

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Speaker 1: I do have a take on that. The other thing

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Speaker 2: I hope he got a little cold feet about it, though.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you got to stick by your take. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: if the Felder has taught me that time and time again.

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Speaker 2: He put it out there and they got a lot

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Speaker 1: But the point being, no, I want to give him flowers.

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Speaker 1: eleven games they should win, but like, realistically, over the

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Speaker 2: A lot about that Raiders loss that happened in the

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Speaker 1: But my point being, like, well, first of all, whatever

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Speaker 1: But yeah, part of it, what makes it so impressive

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Speaker 1: and there, and good teams have bad games. It happens

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Speaker 1: to win ten in a row. This is now I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, depending on how you do winning st like if

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Speaker 2: you see in sason, like over two seasons, it's kind

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Speaker 1: But it's like, you're not regardless of who they're playing.

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Speaker 1: This is my final point. Then I'll go back to you.

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Speaker 2: No, it's fine regardless of who they're playing.

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Speaker 1: This kind of sustained success doesn't happen in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: That's it's kind of structured against that. So they deserve

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the biggest thing in terms of all

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Speaker 2: this is based off the rest of what's going on.

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Speaker 1: They tied for the third longest winning streak and franchise history.

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Speaker 1: It is the longest without a guy named Tom Brady

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Speaker 1: and then they won twelve in a row.

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Speaker 2: And the other thing is, and I don't, you know,

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Speaker 2: You know, their thirteenth in scoring bo Nicks's twentieth in QBR. Like,

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Speaker 2: and now he's hurt. I look at an AFC field

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Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson looks exactly the way that he has prior

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Speaker 2: the conference this year. So which team's flaws can you

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Speaker 2: in the red zone offensively. Those are their flaws. But

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Speaker 2: those flaws, in some ways, and we'll get to it,

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Speaker 2: are fixable. I don't. You can't fix Daniel Jones's fibula.

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Speaker 1: You're right, and not before the playoffs start, and you can't,

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Speaker 1: you know, Daniel, you know the Broncos offense and bo

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Speaker 2: If their defense carries them, their defense carries them. But

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Speaker 1: There's been all these questions about like this Patriots versus

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Speaker 1: out to be fools. Gold, Aren't the Broncos more of

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Speaker 2: A little bit, I don't know exactly, you know what

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Speaker 1: You have a good quarterback. I don't think you have

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Speaker 2: Can win, right But they don't have a running game.

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Speaker 1: But they don't. That's okay, That's I'm just saying big picture,

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Speaker 2: this isn't like the prime Chiefs or the prime Patriots

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Speaker 2: I think that out of all the teams, the Patriots

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Speaker 2: there's nothing you can do, and it's divisional round weekend

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Speaker 2: figure it out, or Lamar squeaks in or Joe Burrow

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Speaker 1: So that's the thing, Like if you're Patriots fan, you're

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Speaker 1: if Buffalo lost the Steelers, I think they'd be out today.

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Speaker 1: They're seven seeds.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're currently the seventh seed. And you know, I

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Speaker 2: lost to Pittsburgh and then they lost to Miami on

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Speaker 2: the Miami Miracle, and it.

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Speaker 1: Was well, they weren't dead. They were still going to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but they were. They were dead to rights, yeah,

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Speaker 2: they and the feeling it was that this was it

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Speaker 2: And I don't know why any of those other teams

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Speaker 1: They have elite quarterbacks, but they don't have the guy.

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Speaker 2: That's fair. That's fair. All right, Let's get to the good,

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Speaker 2: a lot of good to discuss here from Monday night.

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Speaker 2: Let's start with the quarterback. Let's start with Drake May.

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Speaker 2: You know, I thought that he had a little bit

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Speaker 2: you know, especially early, you know, didn't start very well

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Speaker 2: didn't put the ball at Harm's way. He made a

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Speaker 2: of really high level throws. This was just Drake May

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the big thing that stood out to me, and

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Speaker 1: and it's not news, right, And I compared her to

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Speaker 2: Like we're getting there.

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Speaker 1: That's that's Drake May. At this point, I think it's

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Speaker 1: like that now. The no turnover worthy he plays certainly

433
00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:19,280
Speaker 1: is nice. The big thing that stood out to me

434
00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:23,880
Speaker 1: though eight different players targeted, Yeah, all caught at least one,

435
00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,600
Speaker 1: past seven caught at least two. Nobody caught more than four.

436
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,000
Speaker 1: He was spreading that thing around. He got everybody involved.

437
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,280
Speaker 1: He forced the defense to defend every blade of grass.

438
00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:34,800
Speaker 1: That can be a nightmare for a defense when all

439
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:36,560
Speaker 1: five guys in the pattern are a whip and at

440
00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:39,479
Speaker 1: any given time. That was my big Drake may takeaway

441
00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:41,080
Speaker 1: from this game was how well he spread the ball.

442
00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:44,240
Speaker 2: Out and that that's always an indication to me that

443
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,840
Speaker 2: a guy's feeling it and that he's running the offense.

444
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:52,480
Speaker 2: Like Josh McDaniels' offense. Is that kind of offense you

445
00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 2: throw to the open guy. I know it's cliche, but

446
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:57,200
Speaker 2: that's really the truth. And all of it is about,

447
00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:00,479
Speaker 2: you know, formationally, in spacing wise, like how can we

448
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:04,160
Speaker 2: create favorable matchups for our playmakers and let's find those

449
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:07,640
Speaker 2: matchups and hunt those matchups. And so that could mean

450
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 2: that the play and the read takes you to Kyle

451
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,679
Speaker 2: Williams on a touchdown, or that could mean that, you know,

452
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 2: they ran on the opening drive, they ran host Duke,

453
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,679
Speaker 2: they put Stefon Diggs inside, they got him on a linebacker,

454
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,280
Speaker 2: and Drake Maye took it for thirteen yards. It wasn't

455
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 2: the most sophisticated throw of all time, it wasn't the

456
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:28,840
Speaker 2: best throw he's ever made, but it was just easy,

457
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:32,359
Speaker 2: conventional offense. And this team's being able to do that,

458
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,879
Speaker 2: I think is the biggest difference between the offense that

459
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:37,959
Speaker 2: we've watched the last couple of years and the offense

460
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:42,880
Speaker 2: that we've watched this year is that they're they're winning

461
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 2: in the traditional drop back game where it doesn't have

462
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 2: to be you know, pulling teeth. They're not in long

463
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,360
Speaker 2: down in distance a lot, and they're not having to

464
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:54,879
Speaker 2: like do this smoke and mirrors thing where everything is

465
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:58,440
Speaker 2: just kind of you know, disguised and you know they're

466
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,679
Speaker 2: motioning or they're doing different trick plays or whatever. That

467
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,119
Speaker 2: was a little bit more not all the time, but

468
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:05,880
Speaker 2: like that to me was a little bit more what

469
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 2: was going on in twenty twenty one was that it

470
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,879
Speaker 2: was a lot of scheme. You know, the scheme was

471
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 2: really doing a lot of the heavy lifting in this offense.

472
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:18,359
Speaker 2: It just feels like they're able to run conventional traditional

473
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 2: Josh McDaniels, staples and just win, you know, whether it's

474
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 2: the receivers winning or Drake May winning or Bowl. So

475
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:29,359
Speaker 2: that that's been really good to see continuing and just

476
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 2: you know, to kind of segue this into this next point,

477
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 2: I don't think that they necessarily did anything that they

478
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 2: haven't been doing all year to manage the offensive line.

479
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,439
Speaker 2: I thought that that was something that we might see,

480
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:46,120
Speaker 2: but this wasn't like a quick game special like this Yeah,

481
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,399
Speaker 2: they ran the offense and they were able to do so. Now,

482
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 2: Drake May had his second fastest time to release of

483
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,120
Speaker 2: the season in this game. So he did a really

484
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:56,879
Speaker 2: nice job. And I think this is another you know,

485
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,639
Speaker 2: feather in his cap for this game. I thought that

486
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 2: his kind of just like mindset or you know, internal

487
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 2: clock in the pocket was really good in this game. Yeah,

488
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 2: and I think he knew, you know, they have two

489
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 2: really good edge rushers. I can't sit here and hold

490
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,439
Speaker 2: the ball all game long. And I thought that his

491
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,639
Speaker 2: poise and sort of him managing the rush as a

492
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 2: quarterback was really really good in this game, which to

493
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 2: me is is sort of next level type of stuff,

494
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,880
Speaker 2: Like that's like the Brady stuff where it's like, all right,

495
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 2: this is you know, we got a backup left tackle.

496
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,639
Speaker 2: They have these two really good edge rushers. I'm not

497
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 2: gonna sit here all day and hold the ball, and

498
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 2: they'll be able to kind of help out your guys

499
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 2: that way. Speaking of that, the offensive line got to

500
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,640
Speaker 2: give them flowers. Got to give flowers to Vederian low

501
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 2: and Ben Brown. Started off a little slow for Vederian Lowe.

502
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,440
Speaker 2: I had three hurries allowed early on in this game.

503
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:55,640
Speaker 2: Two to Carter, one to Burns, but then really from

504
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 2: like the middle of the second quarter on, he was

505
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 2: clean the whole rest of the way. Really good performance

506
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 2: from him. You know, Ben Brown got called for the

507
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,640
Speaker 2: hold on Carter. You know, Carter rushed over him on

508
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 2: one play and he got called for a hold. But

509
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 2: other than that, I thought that he was really solid

510
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 2: in this game as well. They had these guys ready

511
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 2: to play, and that's another testament to McDaniels, to Doug Moron,

512
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:24,399
Speaker 2: to Coog's, to Jason Hotling, the offensive line coaches. You know,

513
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 2: those guys did a great job getting Vederian Lowe and

514
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 2: Ben Brown ready to play, ready to go. Ben Brown

515
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:36,160
Speaker 2: is is quickly turning into this Patriots version of Ted Carris.

516
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 2: Like he he's a starting caliber player, I think maybe

517
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 2: on the interior, but he's probably best as like a

518
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 2: super sub, you know, as a sixth offensive lineman. And

519
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 2: that's an extremely Now Ted has gone on to be

520
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 2: a full time starter and be a really good player

521
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 2: in Miami and Cincinnati. But for now, like for Ben Brown,

522
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 2: that's a really valuable piece to have. You know, I

523
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:00,639
Speaker 2: don't know how long Jared Wilson's to be out, but

524
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:02,360
Speaker 2: it doesn't sound like it's going to be as long

525
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 2: as Will Campbell, so he's going to come back. But

526
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 2: to have a guy like Ben Brown that can spot

527
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 2: start for two, three, four games and it doesn't really

528
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 2: have a huge drop off. Not every team has backup

529
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 2: interior play like that in the league. So he's been

530
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 2: really solid.

531
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 1: No, he's been important player for them. The Ted Kerris

532
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 1: comparison is apt and he I believe he's on a

533
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 1: one year deal right or knows he's still an RFA,

534
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 1: Like he's somebody who's probably gonna get a chance to

535
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 1: go somewhere and start in the future, maybe here, you know,

536
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,159
Speaker 1: if they be okay, he's a left guard, you move

537
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 1: Jared Wilson inside, maybe somewhere else. But he's been good.

538
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 1: Vedarian Low stepped up again. I think it helps that

539
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 1: the right side is in better shape than it's been.

540
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 1: He is a ERFA by the way, Ben Brown, so

541
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 1: he can be back next year.

542
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

543
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 1: No, those guys deserve a ton of credit for coming

544
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 1: up the way they did. Like you said, it's one

545
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 1: game they're gonna have to do it against you know,

546
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 1: Buffalo pass Rush next week. That's gonna take things to

547
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,399
Speaker 1: another level. But yeah, I get to the end of

548
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 1: that game and I I you know, going through my takeaways,

549
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,360
Speaker 1: and I like almost forgot to put the offensive line

550
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: because they were what you want the offensive line to be,

551
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,679
Speaker 1: out of site, out of mind, down two starters, the

552
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 1: third guy hurt. You're not expecting them to be out

553
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 1: of site. You're expecting that to be a talking point.

554
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 1: And they played a very clean game.

555
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were really uh, they were really solid in

556
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 2: this game. I thought they saw some pressures pretty well

557
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 2: as well on the left side, which I was a

558
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 2: little bit worried about with two guys that haven't practiced

559
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,360
Speaker 2: a lot next to each other. Yeah, and I thought

560
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 2: they they were able to communicate through.

561
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 1: Not just how much did they practice against each other.

562
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 1: David Andrews brought this up on our podcast a couple

563
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 1: of weeks ago. When you have two rookies starting, you're

564
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 1: going to maximize their reps. Yeah, so even more than

565
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 1: maybe or even less than the average backup. Like, how

566
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 1: many opportunities did those guys really get in practice before

567
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 1: last week?

568
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 2: And you know, going back to training Campearian Lowe was.

569
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 1: Hurt, that's right, right, he missed like most of the.

570
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 2: Summer for a lot of training camp. He was hurt,

571
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 2: so you know, really kudos to them stepped up. Like

572
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 2: you said, you know, Buffalo and Baltimore coming up like

573
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 2: it's it's just one game, and they gotta you know,

574
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 2: you gotta do it more than just once. But if

575
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 2: this is the level of play, I don't know if

576
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 2: Vaderian Low is going to be quite this good. He

577
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 2: was really good in this game. But if it's close

578
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 2: to the level of play that you're going to get

579
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 2: from Ben Brown and Vederian Low until Campbell and Wilson

580
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 2: come back, that they're going to survive this, like they'll

581
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 2: weather this with those two guys down, which is really cool.

582
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 2: I wasn't sure about that. I full hand up, admit.

583
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 2: Now it's one game, let's see it for multiple but

584
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 2: I wasn't sure if they were going to be able to,

585
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 2: you know, survive this without Campbell. If this is what

586
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 2: they get from Low, they will And he was really

587
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 2: solid in this game as well. A couple more standouts

588
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 2: on offense and we'll talk some defense and special teams.

589
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 2: I've got to talk about the Kyle Williams touchdown. Yeah,

590
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 2: that is a hell of a release. At the line

591
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 2: of scrimmage by Kyle Well, he before we even get

592
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 2: to that.

593
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 1: I just want to give him credit to play before

594
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 1: Kaisham Bouti catches a comeback. It was second and long,

595
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 1: and yeah, I don't know what he did. He did something.

596
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 1: He actually leaves the game and he ended up on

597
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 1: the sideline. Didn't have to stop the game, but he

598
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 1: goes over to the sideline, sits down, and like the

599
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 1: training staff comes over to him, and he was obviously fine.

600
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 1: You know, he came back in the game later whatever,

601
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 1: But like he got hurt on that play. So that's

602
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 1: that play's not designed for Kyle Williams. That's not like

603
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 1: the Kyle Williams package that they had in the game.

604
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 1: He has to come on the field moments notice, you know,

605
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 1: as the backup for Kashun Booty. And then he, like

606
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 1: you said, he makes an unbelievable play for a guy

607
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,719
Speaker 1: that you know, we've wondered, is he on the same page?

608
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 1: Is he in tune with the rest of the offense

609
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 1: as much as he needs to be to have a

610
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 1: moment like that. It's not everything, but I think that's

611
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 1: really encouraging and credit to him for staying ready, being ready,

612
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 1: getting there in the moment and then boom, he's thrust

613
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 1: into the game unexpected, goes out and makes play. Credit

614
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 1: to Drake May two for trusting him in that situation.

615
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 1: But I think that's a good sign that maybe things

616
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 1: are trending in the right direction for Kyle Williams, because

617
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 1: that's not easy to do, come and cold and make

618
00:30:58,960 --> 00:30:59,959
Speaker 1: a play like that, and he did it.

619
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, So the Giants were really hoping that Paulson had

620
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 2: a bio being back was gonna be good for their defense.

621
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 2: He's one of their starting corners that's been out the

622
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 2: last couple of weeks. And Kyle Williams just dusts Paulson

623
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 2: at a bio at the line of scrimmage with a

624
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 2: little you know, one step, you know, stretch crossover release

625
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 2: and he just he just burned up. And when you

626
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 2: are well, first of all, you know, Drake may when

627
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 2: they were kind of like running a like a mable

628
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 2: like cover three type of coverage on the play where

629
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 2: they're zoning the passing strains those three by one, you know,

630
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 2: three receivers to the right, one to the left, and uh,

631
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 2: they're they're playing zoned to the passing strength of the

632
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 2: formation on the right hand side, so they're just playing

633
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 2: it like spot drop cover three essentially, and the backside's

634
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 2: man to man. They're they're your backside, you're locked man

635
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 2: to man on the backside, so it's eye to bio

636
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 2: versus Kyle Williams. When Drake May sees that from coverage,

637
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 2: whether it's you know, post safety quarters whatever, if your

638
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 2: backside man to man without safety, hell, he's he's hunted

639
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 2: like that. That's a deep ball every single time. And

640
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 2: it's kind of a lot of teams play those types

641
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 2: of coverages, but it kind of blows my mind, like

642
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 2: teams keep doing it against the Patriots because Drake May

643
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 2: has thrown that touchdown pass now, especially in that spot

644
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 2: of the field to kaish On Booty and now Kyle

645
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 2: Williams at least half a dozen times.

646
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: How many of them two have been specifically in that

647
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 1: corner of the stadium, And Yeah, I feel like he

648
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 1: keeps doing it in that corner of the stadium Cleveland,

649
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 1: it was on that corner of the stadium to kaish

650
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,959
Speaker 1: on Booty coupled in New Orleans, they did twice in

651
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: New Orleans, Miami. In Miami and Week two he threw

652
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: a touchdown to Booty on backside one on one uh

653
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 1: the uh left to right far side.

654
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, Titans in Tennessee. Yeah, he threw a bomb to

655
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 2: Booty again for a touchdown on the same kind of coverage.

656
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 2: And then now to Kyle Williams. That's, off the top

657
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 2: of my head, that's five touchdown passes that he's thrown

658
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 2: against that type of coverage. So if you keep doing

659
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 2: that against Drake May, he's just going to keep hitting

660
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 2: you with the go ball and they're going to keep

661
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 2: winning down the field. So I just put the safety

662
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 2: over the top of it on that side of the field. Okay,

663
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 2: stop doing that if you're a defense. But a really

664
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 2: good release by Kyle Williams. Now, yeah, the seventy two

665
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 2: yard touchdown in Tampa, he has a thirty three yard touchdown.

666
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 2: It's the one catch he made in both games. Right,

667
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 2: So it's not all the way there in terms of volume,

668
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,239
Speaker 2: but these little flashes are at least more than what

669
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 2: we saw from some of the other high draft pick

670
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 2: receivers of the Patriots over the last handful of years.

671
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 2: Like this is more than we ever saw from Nikhil Harry,

672
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 2: Taekwan Thornton, Jalen Polk, you know those types of players.

673
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 2: So how encouraged are you right now about Kyle Williams,

674
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 2: who's also in his defense is you know these behind

675
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 2: vets like they're playing digs, they're playing Matt Collins, they're

676
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 2: playing booty. But I think Kyle Williams is starting to

677
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 2: really show out here, and this is around the time

678
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 2: where rookies start to emer you know, Tayon Henderson's doing it,

679
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 2: Kyle Williams is doing it as well.

680
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 1: No, I think that again, it's encouraging that to come

681
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 1: on in that spot and make that play, I think

682
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: shows a lot of growth. Do you have a little

683
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 1: bit of Patriots breaking news here?

684
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 2: Okay?

685
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick and Robert Kraft are both among the finalists

686
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 1: announced for the Hall of Fame class at twenty twenty six.

687
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,760
Speaker 1: Belichick obviously from the Coaching committee, Craft from the Contributor committee,

688
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,320
Speaker 1: Stanley Morgan hit but up from the Seniors Committee. He

689
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 1: is not among the finalists, of course.

690
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 2: Not so those are two separate committees. Yeah, so they

691
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 2: could go in together, just to clear the way it works.

692
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 1: There's the modern era, which is the main ballots. Everybody

693
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 1: knows about and then they changed this last couple years

694
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 1: of news the Coach Committee, Contributor Committee, and Seniors Committee,

695
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 1: So the coach and contributor each get one finalists, the

696
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 1: seniors get three, and then the modern era I think

697
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 1: is twenty six finalists all those people, or no, I

698
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 1: think it's nine finalists. I think twenty six is where

699
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 1: they're at now. All of those people then go on

700
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: to one big ballot at the end that all the

701
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 1: committees vote on it. It's anywhere between four and eight,

702
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 1: so they don't have to pick somebody from any of

703
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: the committees, like the Seniors Committee does not have to

704
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 1: be represented like I think last year the coaching finalist

705
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 1: was Holmgren, Yeah, who obviously didn't get in, so they

706
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 1: don't have to pick each one. But these are Bill

707
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 1: and Robert on the final final ballot.

708
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 2: So both deserve to get in. Of course, this night,

709
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 2: though NFL honors twenty twenty five, it would be in

710
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 2: twenty twenty six technically, but then for the Class of

711
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 2: twenty twenty six, yeah, for the twenty twenty five season.

712
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 2: In the Class of twenty twenty six is all the

713
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 2: ap postseason, the war accolades, all the awards, MVP player,

714
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 2: you know, Offensive Player of the Year, Coach of the Year.

715
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,240
Speaker 2: All of those awards are presented at the NFL Honors

716
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 2: the night before the year, the couple days before the

717
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 2: Super Bowl, Yeah, Thursday usually, and then so is the

718
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,240
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame class, right, so there is a chance

719
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 2: that on that night, Mike Rabel could win Coach of

720
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 2: the Year, Drake May could win MVP. Robert Craft and

721
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 2: Bill Belichick could get into the Hall of Fame, Adam

722
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 2: Van Terry could get into the Hall of Fame, Rodney

723
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 2: Harrison could get into the Hall of Fame. Like, this

724
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 2: could be Patriots Palooza, and that also is an including

725
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 2: Josh McDaniels as potential assistant Coach of the Year, Stefan

726
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 2: Diggs nominated for Comeback Player of the Year like the Patriots.

727
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:27,839
Speaker 1: Also, you left somebody out. There's three. I mean, there's

728
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 1: a couple of other guys who are here for a

729
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 1: cup of coffee, but the three guys on the modern

730
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:32,879
Speaker 1: era that are waiting for the next cut. Rodney, you said,

731
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 1: Vin Terry, Big Vince, Yeah him too, thro Big Vince

732
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 1: in there.

733
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 2: Yeah. So we're talking about a night and I know

734
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 2: we're getting a little bit ahead of ourselves, and we'll

735
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 2: get back to this giant's breakdown. But we're talking about

736
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 2: a night at NFL Honors in February that could literally

737
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,359
Speaker 2: be a Patriots I mean that could be.

738
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 1: We've talked about the Patriots.

739
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 2: I know what the word is. I don't want to

740
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 2: use it on the air, but I know what the words.

741
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: Well, well, let me put this. We've talked about the

742
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,760
Speaker 1: Patriots being back right in the national adult film Well

743
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 1: all right, yes, but also we talked about the Patriots

744
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 1: being back in the national sense. Ye think about this.

745
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 1: They go in and take over NFL Honors when they're

746
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: potentially on their way to the super Bowl, like, you

747
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 1: can't you can't hide at that point. I think there's

748
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 1: some people that are still closing their eyes and trying

749
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 1: to hide it all.

750
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 2: It'll be over soon.

751
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 1: They are a young team week scheduling the bounds to

752
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 1: the playoffs. If we get to that point, past present, future,

753
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,879
Speaker 1: it's all there. You can't hide a Scott Zolac said

754
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 1: America's Nightmare would be fully back if that were to happen.

755
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's uh.

756
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,320
Speaker 1: And by the way, I do think I mean Bill's

757
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,399
Speaker 1: gonna get in first ballot hopestly. I mean, I feel

758
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 1: the modern era class is not as strong as it's

759
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 1: been the last few years. So there's some guys obviously

760
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:47,439
Speaker 1: that are going to get in. But I this does

761
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 1: feel like more of a year where like the Seniors

762
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 1: Committee and the you know all that maybe get a

763
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 1: little more weight.

764
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, I mean, obviously Bill should be in first ballot, right,

765
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 2: but you know, just decide really quickly if Vinitary doesn't

766
00:37:58,960 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 2: get in the sky.

767
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: It's just I was furious last year. I'm still kind

768
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:02,399
Speaker 1: of mad.

769
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 2: I don't really understand it. I'll get over it if

770
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 2: they let him in this year, but it should be

771
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 2: a slam dunk home run that Minitary's a Hall of Famer.

772
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 2: Back to the Giants game, a couple of other skill

773
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,479
Speaker 2: players that I thought were really good in this game.

774
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,720
Speaker 2: Hunter Henry just continues to be just an awesome player

775
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 2: for this football team, really really good. You know, the

776
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 2: thirty six yarder explosive was a great bit of you know,

777
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:33,280
Speaker 2: coverage manipulation. Little pump fait by Drake may to open

778
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 2: the passing lane, but Henry's right where he's supposed to be.

779
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 2: A couple of big third down catches as well that

780
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 2: were kind of sneaky important in this game to get

781
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 2: this lead built. Henry's just awesome, just continues to be awesome.

782
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 2: He also, you know, the Williams touchdown was one of

783
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 2: the you know, handful, small handful of times where they

784
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 2: really load up protection and they went with seven blockers

785
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 2: and the protection and they left Henry into block and

786
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 2: they had just an incredibly clean pocket for Drake may

787
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:06,959
Speaker 2: On the Williams touchdown, You're just like he was having

788
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 2: a picnic back there throwing that ball. So Henry was

789
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 2: in that protection as well in the last one. You know,

790
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 2: this is the emergence. And again this kind of goes

791
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 2: the same with Kyle Williams. You often see this with

792
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:20,879
Speaker 2: with rookies where the back half of the season they

793
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 2: start to come on and you get the player you expected.

794
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 2: Travon Henderson is really starting to emerging. Eighty six total

795
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 2: yards from scrimmage fourteen touches. He was by far their

796
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 2: most efficient, you know, highest yar per carry average runner

797
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 2: between him and Ramandra Stevenson. I understand that people want

798
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 2: to see Henderson out snap and really take over this backfield.

799
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 2: I will just say what I've said all year long,

800
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:52,320
Speaker 2: and that is I want them to continue to manage

801
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 2: Travon Henderson a little bit. I don't want him to

802
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 2: be a bell cow. I don't want him to, you know,

803
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 2: get worn down. It's a long season. The playoffs are coming.

804
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 2: You want him to be your Jamiir Gibbs, your dynamic

805
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:10,839
Speaker 2: weapon come playoff time. Is fine, it's fine. They're gonna

806
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 2: beat teams like the Giants. They're gonna beat teams like

807
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,439
Speaker 2: the Dolphins and the Jets with platooning these backs. When

808
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 2: the time comes and it comes to those big, you know,

809
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 2: sort of moments and big drives, yes, I would like

810
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:26,760
Speaker 2: to see Travion out there and being an impact player

811
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,800
Speaker 2: for them. But for right now, I'm you know, let's

812
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 2: let's keep Travion Henderson fresh and let's not ride him

813
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 2: into the ground.

814
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 1: Hopefully, by the time they get to Miami and the Jets,

815
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: like we see a bigger dose to Treel Jennings or

816
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 1: maybe somebody comes up off the practice part or something

817
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:40,439
Speaker 1: like that.

818
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 2: He was but Henderson was really good and I thought

819
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 2: that in particular, what was really good about Henderson in

820
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 2: this game is that last field goal drive that made

821
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 2: it a three score game. Again, they they really you know,

822
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 2: he had the twenty six yard run, which is his

823
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 2: big run of the day, but he also grinded out

824
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 2: some really tough, like kind of dirty yards on that drive,

825
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 2: and that that's what you want. That was a twelve

826
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 2: thirteen play six minute clock killing drive. Let's kick the

827
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 2: field goal to make it an eighteen point game. That

828
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 2: was like one of those like let's put this game

829
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 2: to bed type of drives, and they really kind of

830
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:16,760
Speaker 2: did it on the back of Trevon Henderson.

831
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:20,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll say too, Like I thought Ramondre ran well

832
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:22,919
Speaker 1: in this game. Obviously Henderson was good, but we talked

833
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: about the physicality the defense. Let's not lose track the

834
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 1: physicality offense. I have not seen Ramondre Stevenson run that

835
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 1: hard in a minute, and you know, maybe got a

836
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,320
Speaker 1: couple weeks off deal with the tow injury. Just overall

837
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: physically was able to reset a little bit. I thought

838
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 1: both backs looked good in this game.

839
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, the running game was not good situationally, but they

840
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 2: did have some success between the twenties and they were

841
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:46,399
Speaker 2: able to run the ball a little bit in this game,

842
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 2: as you would expect against the Giants defense. Just quickly.

843
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 2: On the Patriots defense, I have some nitpicks here in

844
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 2: the bads, but I thought the pass defense was really

845
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:58,280
Speaker 2: good in this game. The coverage I thought was excellent

846
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 2: for most of the game. Richian Gonzalez looked like he

847
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 2: was in cruise control like these receivers for the Giants.

848
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 2: Just it was light work for Christian Gonzalez, Wandel Robinson

849
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 2: and Darius Slayton no offense, but it was like he was,

850
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 2: you know, having a stroll in the park for this

851
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:18,760
Speaker 2: entire game. He was dominant, dominant in this one as well.

852
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 2: And then you know, I thought that they tried to

853
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 2: dial up some shots the Giants did, especially off of

854
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,320
Speaker 2: under center play action when the Patriots had it covered.

855
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 2: They had some good kind of covered drinkles to handle

856
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 2: some of the two and three man route combinations out

857
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,439
Speaker 2: of you know, cover three and quarters in this game

858
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 2: as well. So really the other thing too with the

859
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 2: pass defense, not necessarily that I thought it was great

860
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 2: per se because they gave up a thirty yard touchdown

861
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 2: on a cover zero. They're clearly trying to get some

862
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 2: get their exotic Blitz pat Blitz package installed and practiced

863
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 2: in game settings, and I think that that's something that

864
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 2: they're going to want to have at their disposal come

865
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 2: playoff time. Is being a little bit more exotic in

866
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 2: terms of bringing pressure and simulating pressure where you line

867
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:10,800
Speaker 2: up a bunch of guys in the line of scrimmage

868
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 2: and who's coming, who's going. Sometimes you bluff out of

869
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 2: it and you drop out of it, sometimes you bring it.

870
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 2: That's been clearly something that they're trying to get some

871
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 2: game reps out of. Like even at the end of

872
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 2: this game, it's thirty three to fifteen, the last two

873
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 2: plays of that Giant's final drive there cover zero blitz,

874
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 2: you know, And I think the reason why it was

875
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,879
Speaker 2: not because they necessarily felt like they needed to make

876
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 2: a play. It was thirty three to fifteen at that point.

877
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 2: But I think they want to try to get that

878
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 2: thing going and try to make that something that they

879
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 2: can lean on come playoff time to generate pressure. But

880
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 2: the coverage in this game I thought was really good. Yeah.

881
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, Now, I mean it's the Giants again, They're going

882
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:50,839
Speaker 1: to step up of the Bills don't have much at

883
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:54,760
Speaker 1: the wide receiver position either, but now fuck Gonzales. Yeah,

884
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: lowering the shoulder on Wandale Robinson. Yeah, I see him

885
00:43:58,640 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: hit like that.

886
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:01,839
Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean like I was gonna mention that too.

887
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 2: I'm glad you brought it up. Even the corners tackle

888
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 2: like you know, like Carlon Davis threw a dude to

889
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 2: the ground for a three yard loss. Gonzalez is tackling now,

890
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 2: was like he's doing it as like the flat defender

891
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 2: and cover too. It's like the easiest tackle to make, but.

892
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 1: He's still healing, but he he put a little more

893
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:18,359
Speaker 1: into it and.

894
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 2: He's not his game and he's Yeah, you know, they

895
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 2: only they even got the corners tackling.

896
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 1: They played fu football. That's what that was. That was

897
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 1: f U football. I hope we see more of it.

898
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 1: That was awesome.

899
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 2: Okay, we gotta talk a little bit about the special teams. Uh,

900
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 2: mar Marcus Jones ninety four yard punt return. I think

901
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,240
Speaker 2: that Marcus Jones might be the I mean, Devin Hester's

902
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 2: Devin Hester. He might be the second best punt returner

903
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 2: I've ever seen. You know, Devin Hester's in his own category.

904
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:48,879
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it was a very brief window. Let's

905
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,240
Speaker 1: not forget Dante Hall. Dante Hall was electric.

906
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,760
Speaker 2: Dante Hall was electric. He's but he's.

907
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: Like entering that. Look, statistically, he's the best in NFL.

908
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,399
Speaker 1: His Yeah, highest average by like two yards, I think

909
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 1: by two yards per return. So that punt return, give

910
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 1: me a second here, because you're gonna like, I'm gonna

911
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 1: say that was, you know, really impressive punt return all

912
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 1: things considered, Well, yeah, of course it was. It was

913
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 1: a touchdown. Like even as far as punt return touchdowns go,

914
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 1: like sometimes as you make a guy missing the coverage

915
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 1: screws up or you know, the blockings all there and

916
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: you just get a clear runway, you got to you

917
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 1: just have to go that the punter out kicked his coverage. Like,

918
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 1: even if you were to rank just the touchdowns, just

919
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 1: the punt return touchdowns, that one would be towards top

920
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 1: of the list for me because it's it's so many

921
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 1: the boxes you look for in an elite returner. He

922
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 1: used everything in the toolbox. Yeah, the patience, the vision,

923
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 1: the speed, the balance. I mean, look, I know it's

924
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 1: the punter, but Jamie Gillen's not a small guy to show.

925
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 2: Also, it was like rugby Aussie rules, like he's also

926
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 2: like a former like it might be Gaelic football but

927
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 2: he's like a former Gaelic football player, I think it is.

928
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 2: And like those guys have to tackle that sport. So

929
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 2: this is not a guy that doesn't know how to

930
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 2: tack to.

931
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 1: Get him to shake him along the sideline as close

932
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 1: to the sideline as he was balanced and body controls

933
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,840
Speaker 1: a huge part of that job. Yeah, and so that

934
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 1: and he almost broke another one later too. Just tremendously

935
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 1: and pribably. He is the best punt return in the

936
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 1: league right now. You know, we want to get in

937
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:22,319
Speaker 1: historic context, Devin Hester. You know, we could talk about

938
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 1: that Dante Hall the human joystick, but it's even as

939
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 1: far as touchdowns go, that was a high level punt return.

940
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was really good. So you know, he's he's

941
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 2: one of the best I've ever seen do it. He

942
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 2: continues to just do it at an extremely high level,

943
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 2: Like even little things like that fair catch that he

944
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 2: had before halftime in the two minute drill, like he

945
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 2: runs like fifteen yards to make sure the ball doesn't

946
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 2: bounce and he fair catches it, which instead of the

947
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 2: ball bouncing and then rolling into inside the twenty, it's

948
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:00,919
Speaker 2: a fair catch at the twenty three. Like that's that's

949
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 2: ten fifteen yards. That's important yardage in that situation. So

950
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 2: he's even like does like the little detail things like

951
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:11,799
Speaker 2: that as a punt returner, you know, bluffing you know,

952
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 2: the ball going over his head and going into the

953
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 2: end zone when it's a touchback, right like, and you

954
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:19,800
Speaker 2: know selling that to the defense fair catches to avoid

955
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 2: the ball rolling on him. You know, obviously house and punts.

956
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 2: You know, he had a seventeen yard return on top

957
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 2: of the ninety four yard return as well in this game,

958
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 2: so just excellent. They also and this kind of goes

959
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 2: back to the whole thing of like, you know, tough

960
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:36,720
Speaker 2: teams cover kicks and like when you dominate on special

961
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 2: teams like the Patriots did on Monday night, like you

962
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 2: are just the more physical, more you know, locked in,

963
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 2: tougher football team. And they had the big return on

964
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 2: the kickoff, thirty nine yard return by Terrell Jennings on

965
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 2: a kickoff, and then of course they recovered a fumble

966
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 2: on a Giants kickoff as well. In all sincerity, I

967
00:47:55,600 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 2: hope Gunneralschewski is okay, but they recovered the fumble that

968
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 2: as well. And then of course we had Young Wayku

969
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,359
Speaker 2: having one of the worst kick attempts I've ever seen.

970
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 2: All putting all this together, the Patriots special teams just

971
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 2: thoroughly dominated. So this was really like a three phase

972
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 2: domination offense, defense, and special teams. We're all super dominant

973
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:19,879
Speaker 2: in this game for the Patriots. All right, let's get

974
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 2: to some of the nitpicks and I'll say, like, this

975
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 2: is all nitpicky like stuff to work on. Yeah, it's

976
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 2: if I think that one's in the stuff that gets

977
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 2: to beat category. If we're on the same page, the

978
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:41,240
Speaker 2: Patriots run defense is worrying me not a lot, because

979
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:43,879
Speaker 2: not I say, I should say not a lot.

980
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 1: The Browns that designated to Shaun Watson return of oh.

981
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was coming. The reason why it's not I'm

982
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 2: not in like any sort of panic about the run

983
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 2: defense is because Tonga and Milton Williams are supposed to

984
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 2: be coming back, right, So big part of this is

985
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 2: that you're missing your three hundred and thirty five pound

986
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 2: nos tackle and you're missing your best defensive lineman. So

987
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:09,720
Speaker 2: if you get those two guys back, then in theory,

988
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 2: your run defense should come back around. But after really

989
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 2: having an excellent first nine weeks of the season, the

990
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 2: Patriots run defense. In the last four games of the season,

991
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 2: alex are allowing a fifty five point one percent success

992
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 2: rate that is dead last in the NFL. They're the

993
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 2: worst run defense in football the last month of the season.

994
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 2: They are twenty fifth in EPA, they're dead last and

995
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:37,359
Speaker 2: success rate, they're allowing almost five yards to carry. It's

996
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 2: like four point eight or four point nine yards of

997
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 2: carry during that stretch of time. So that's Tampa, Cincinnati,

998
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 2: the Giants, and the Jets are doing that to the

999
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 2: Patriots run defense right now. The Giants, you know, four

1000
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 2: point seven yards a clip against the Patriots on Monday Night. Really,

1001
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 2: we're able to run the ball pretty well and effectively.

1002
00:49:56,360 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 2: Now again they're getting their guys back. But go to

1003
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 2: come on your side of the street a little bit

1004
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:06,320
Speaker 2: with this take. This is kind of a sneaky run first.

1005
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 2: AFC Field, Buffalo, Baltimore, Indy, Jacksonville and all built on

1006
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 2: their run game.

1007
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 1: Denver's gonna need to be able to run the football

1008
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 1: to win. Maybe they're not built on the run game,

1009
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:17,400
Speaker 1: but they're gonna to be able to.

1010
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 2: See Yeah, and I think the Chargers run game would

1011
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 2: be better if they had their linemen healthy, like if

1012
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:24,720
Speaker 2: Joe All comes back. But all four of those teams

1013
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:29,479
Speaker 2: that I just named, Buffalo, Baltimore, Indie, Jacksonville are very

1014
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:32,359
Speaker 2: very good, all top ten in rush EPA. But also

1015
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:35,479
Speaker 2: just that's their engine of their offense is their run game.

1016
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 2: So in the playoffs, when you get to the postseason,

1017
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:40,839
Speaker 2: it's always a styles wind fight, you know, boxing kind

1018
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:44,840
Speaker 2: of analogy where it's like weakness versus weakness or strained

1019
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 2: versus weakness. One game playoff, you know, if you don't

1020
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:51,799
Speaker 2: get your run defense in order, let's not even jump

1021
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 2: to the playoffs for Buffalo and Baltimore. Buffalo just ran

1022
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,359
Speaker 2: for two hundred and fifty yards against Pittsburgh.

1023
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:00,840
Speaker 1: Well, so I would like to think the paid adjust

1024
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:03,399
Speaker 1: after the Bills run the same play five or six

1025
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 1: times in a row.

1026
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 2: I would like to think so too. But you know,

1027
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:10,840
Speaker 2: run game, it's mentality, and at some point, like you

1028
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 2: just aret getting dog walked in the run game and there's.

1029
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:14,879
Speaker 1: Just no they're gonna need to be better.

1030
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 2: They're gonna need to be a lot better in the

1031
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 2: run game. I'm more concerned about it in a short

1032
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 2: term sense because of Baltimore and Buffalo coming right off

1033
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 2: the bye week and Milton Williams won't be back for

1034
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 2: those games, one hundred percent won't be back. There is

1035
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 2: a chance they're gonna get Tongo back, and I think

1036
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 2: maybe resting him in this game was part of that.

1037
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 2: You know, let's arrest him, give him the bye week

1038
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 2: as well, and then let's get him back for Buffalo

1039
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 2: and we're really gonna need him. But James Cook is

1040
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 2: gonna is going to torch this run defense if they

1041
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 2: play run defense like they have the last month of

1042
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 2: the season.

1043
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:47,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, they're gonna need to be better, and that's

1044
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 1: you know, getting Tongo back would be huge. I thought

1045
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 1: Cory Durden played okay in this game, even with all

1046
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 1: their run games struggles, but you'renna need him to take

1047
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 1: another level. And then the linebackers too, and you know

1048
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 1: those guys coming downhill and trying to make contact earlier. Agree,

1049
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:07,319
Speaker 1: they've got a lot. They got a lot to fix there.

1050
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 2: They need to run it. They need the linebackers to

1051
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:10,839
Speaker 2: play better as well. I'm glad you brought that up

1052
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 2: because I think they're a little bit late to trigger

1053
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 2: to some of these combination blocks and like if you're

1054
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 2: getting double teamed in the inside, and that's what teams

1055
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 2: are doing because they don't have Milton Williams or Tonga.

1056
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 2: So like third in Farmer Gregory, uh, the farms, those

1057
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 2: guys are seeing a lot of double teams on the inside.

1058
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:30,399
Speaker 2: They're just running like inside zone or duo with those

1059
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 2: combination blocks. And those linebackers like Ellis Gibbons plaint that

1060
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:37,360
Speaker 2: you have to trigger downhill at the line of scrimmage

1061
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 2: to get the double team off the defender. Otherwise they're

1062
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:41,840
Speaker 2: just gonna move the ball, you know, move them off

1063
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:45,400
Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage. Run defenses is one, you know,

1064
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 2: sticking into the similar you know, line of scrimmage thing.

1065
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 2: Their third and short offense is sneaky not good. Sneaky

1066
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:55,320
Speaker 2: not good because they're so good in third and long

1067
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 2: that it's kind of washing it out so that their

1068
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:02,839
Speaker 2: third down average over is pretty good. Yeah, so right now,

1069
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:06,799
Speaker 2: and this is like so bizarre land, they're thirtieth in

1070
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:10,279
Speaker 2: the league on third and one. They're fourth in the

1071
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 2: league on third and seven plus, so when they're actually

1072
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 2: almost just as good on third and long as they

1073
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,439
Speaker 2: are on third and one, Like the percentage wise, they're

1074
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 2: almost just like that shouldn't happen, right, Like you should

1075
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 2: be much with.

1076
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 1: The goal line stuff, and just they're not really get

1077
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 1: that push in those short yard situation.

1078
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. So in terms of full short yardage, which is

1079
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 2: considered like zero to three yards, they're twenty third in

1080
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:38,359
Speaker 2: the league in conversion rate, But if you look specifically

1081
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 2: at just third in the yard or less, they're thirtieth

1082
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 2: in the league at fifty percent. So they all of

1083
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:46,439
Speaker 2: a sudden, It's like when they're in third and nine,

1084
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 2: I have all the confidence in the world that they're

1085
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 2: going to somehow convert, but when they're in third and one,

1086
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 2: I have zero, Like in that.

1087
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 1: I mean it was encapsulated in that game they have

1088
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:55,800
Speaker 1: the third and one. I think it was in the

1089
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 1: third quarter right where Remandre gets stuffed. Now, I don't

1090
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 1: think it should have been a fourth and five. I

1091
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:02,880
Speaker 1: think he had ford momentum in the rest. That was

1092
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:05,320
Speaker 1: a terrible spot, but it was. I think it was

1093
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 1: actually fourth and six, right, you know, third and one,

1094
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 1: big run and stuff, fourth and six, they're going for it.

1095
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:12,200
Speaker 1: I'm not looking at the mats, so I don't know

1096
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:14,959
Speaker 1: what the math says, but like in my mind, I'm like, yeah,

1097
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 1: that makes sense. And then I was like, that's absolutely

1098
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 1: crazy that that makes sense. Yeah, not, it's absolutely crazy

1099
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 1: that they're doing it because they're so good at it.

1100
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:23,879
Speaker 1: And I'm like, and I remember thinking before the Blake

1101
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:25,840
Speaker 1: digs is gonna sit down somewhere in the middlefield and

1102
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 1: Drake's gonna hit him. Like it's just it's wild.

1103
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're they're they're top five in the league and

1104
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:32,800
Speaker 2: fourth down conversion rate. I do kind of want to

1105
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:34,840
Speaker 2: talk about that and in the second half of the

1106
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:36,759
Speaker 2: show because I have some opinions on this whole fourth

1107
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:39,279
Speaker 2: down thing, as you can imagine, and maybe we'll talk

1108
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 2: a little bit about going for two up nine or

1109
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 2: down nine, I should say as well. But yeah, the

1110
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 2: third down short offense, you know, third and short offense,

1111
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 2: excuse me. On the bats, like needs to be better

1112
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 2: than it has been. They were actually kind of good

1113
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:55,799
Speaker 2: at it early, like they had that one third and

1114
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 2: one run early that game eight yards they ran out

1115
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 2: And I so should add to this, like they are

1116
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 2: kind of starting to try to empty the clip a

1117
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:06,239
Speaker 2: little bit on some new things in this game. They

1118
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 2: ran a couple of plays out of an unbalanced line.

1119
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 2: They actually put Austin Hooper at left tackle and Vederian

1120
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:15,240
Speaker 2: Lowe played the jumbo tight end next to Morgan Moses

1121
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 2: on the right side. A couple of times they try

1122
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:19,360
Speaker 2: to play it was second down, but they try to

1123
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 2: play in wildcat with ramondre Stevenson as well, so they

1124
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 2: know and like, this isn't like they're just gonna, you know, say,

1125
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:27,960
Speaker 2: oh well, like we're just not good at it. Like

1126
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 2: they're starting to try some new things. But I have

1127
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:32,719
Speaker 2: some thoughts and when we get to the stuff that

1128
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 2: get to beat on, like maybe what might be coming

1129
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:38,920
Speaker 2: that's missing the last thing on the bads before we

1130
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:42,879
Speaker 2: get to that. Though, as good as the return units were,

1131
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 2: Borgals missed a forty five yarder. Yeah, I didn't think

1132
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 2: he kicked the ball particularly well in this game either,

1133
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:52,279
Speaker 2: And Berenger like, I don't know what's going on with him.

1134
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 1: Yeah he hadn't know the shank, Yeah, twenty two yard miss.

1135
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know either. Butody had another shack.

1136
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:00,239
Speaker 1: But luckily for them, neither one had the worst kick

1137
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 1: of the night. I mean, that's an all timer. Yeah,

1138
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 1: that's I never seen anything that was the worst kick

1139
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:07,280
Speaker 1: of the century.

1140
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 2: It wasn't it. Wasn't a kick because you can kick it.

1141
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:12,719
Speaker 1: I've watched a lot of attempt I've watched a lot

1142
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 1: of football in my life, I would like to think Evan,

1143
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 1: as you know, I've watched a lot of not top

1144
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:21,880
Speaker 1: tier football in my life. So true, I've seen twice

1145
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:25,720
Speaker 1: I've seen the kicker kick the ball into the long snapper. Yeah,

1146
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 1: just like line drive it right into his back or

1147
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:28,799
Speaker 1: in the back of his head.

1148
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 2: I've seen that.

1149
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 1: That probably hurts, uh, yeah, probably.

1150
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1151
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 1: I've never seen the kick. That's like the worst whip

1152
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 1: I've never seen. And I've seen the kicker fall down,

1153
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 1: but when he falls down, he hits the ball. I've

1154
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 1: never seen a miss the ball. Let me ask you,

1155
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 1: there are two. There were two plays in that game

1156
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 1: that were just like excellent rewatchable replays. What's the more well,

1157
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:49,920
Speaker 1: I know you because you don't care about special teams,

1158
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:52,320
Speaker 1: what's the more rewatchable replay. I'll throw it out to

1159
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:57,279
Speaker 1: the YouTube chat the young Wayku miss or the Christianellis

1160
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:00,719
Speaker 1: hit on Jackson Dart.

1161
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:02,240
Speaker 2: I love it.

1162
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 1: So I'm going I mean the hits out there and

1163
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 1: it's just like the way Dark kind of flails after

1164
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 1: he gets hit just makes it so good. But I mean,

1165
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:11,759
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a lot of people that watched that

1166
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 1: non kick over and over and over too.

1167
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 2: That was rough, and Dart's reaction was pretty good too,

1168
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 2: all right, And.

1169
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 1: I liked it just to circle back, Yeah, I liked

1170
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 1: the Christian Elis when he was asked about it after

1171
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 1: the game, was like, yeah, I get why the Giants

1172
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 1: came after me. Like, I get it. We do the same.

1173
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 1: For Drake, like good for him, laid out a big hit,

1174
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 1: clean hit, but didn't like, well it was a clean hit.

1175
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 1: I don't know whether to retali blah blah blah, like

1176
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:40,920
Speaker 1: he had a quarterback like that the Patriots, right exactly.

1177
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 1: You got to know that's coming, and you know it's coming,

1178
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 1: and it still shouldn't stop you from delivering that hit.

1179
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 1: So I did credit to Christian Ellis. I thought it

1180
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 1: was awesome after the game that he was just like, yep,

1181
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 1: I hit their quarterback should have slid, didn't slide. I

1182
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 1: hit them. They came after me. That's football. We move on. Like,

1183
00:57:57,640 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 1: I loved that was a great answer. I love that

1184
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 1: answer him. I just wanted to get that in there.

1185
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,560
Speaker 3: The YouTube is saying hit Yeah, it hits hit hit

1186
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 3: hit his entire like family generation into that hit.

1187
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 2: Yeah it was. I mean there's people and I don't

1188
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 2: mean this in like a negative way or a mean way,

1189
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 2: but like if you just started watching football in the

1190
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 2: last four or five years, that's like the biggest hit

1191
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 2: you've ever seen like that, oh yea, because they don't

1192
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 2: hit like that anymore. So, like you didn't see like

1193
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 2: Sean Taylor laying guys all so I will said Brandon Meryweather,

1194
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 2: like taking guys out over the middle. Like you didn't

1195
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 2: see that.

1196
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 1: There was a similar hit when the Patriots played the

1197
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:34,080
Speaker 1: Bucks on Drake a few weeks ago. It was it

1198
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 1: wasn't dat exs but but like they also didn't flag

1199
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 1: that one, and they're starting to not flag. There was

1200
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 1: one on Allen two that probably should have been flagged

1201
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 1: against the Steelers. Uh he's slid instead of going out

1202
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 1: of pantters. But it's right on that border line there. Yeah,

1203
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:48,600
Speaker 1: they're starting to not throw that flag as much, which

1204
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 1: look obviously player safety. You want to protect the players,

1205
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:55,080
Speaker 1: but it had gone so far in the other direction

1206
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 1: where and this is not knocking Patrick Mahomes credit to

1207
00:58:58,280 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 1: him for knowing what he can get away with an

1208
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:01,720
Speaker 1: otherquarterbacks are doing this too, but it was kind of

1209
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:04,480
Speaker 1: them home special. They knew when they got near the

1210
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 1: sideline the defender was going to pull up because they

1211
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 1: didn't want the flag, so they tiptoe for that extra

1212
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 1: five yards right, right, So it had gotten too far.

1213
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:14,640
Speaker 1: They're starting to not throw that flag. And now quarterbacks

1214
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:16,479
Speaker 1: have to earn the corner if they want to turn

1215
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:19,920
Speaker 1: the corner. I think that's a good thing. So I'm

1216
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 1: not say that's your runner, you're runner, right, But they hadn't.

1217
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 1: They hadn't called it that way, and now they're being

1218
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:27,439
Speaker 1: consistent a little more about Hey, like Drake took that hit,

1219
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 1: Alan took that hit. Now Dart takes that hit. No flag. Yeah,

1220
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:33,880
Speaker 1: you want to try to milk every yard you can get.

1221
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 1: You're gonna get hit sometimes that needs to be the

1222
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:38,080
Speaker 1: cost for it. And look, if quarterbacks are like, fine,

1223
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:40,080
Speaker 1: I'll take the hit, it's going to annoy a lot

1224
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 1: of coaches, but okay, that's your prerogative.

1225
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 2: Basically what Dart said after they right.

1226
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:47,120
Speaker 1: And other quarterbacks may be like, you know, you know,

1227
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:49,919
Speaker 1: look if it's the fourth quarter, if that's third down, yeah,

1228
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 1: you want to go for it that was gonna be

1229
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 1: third and one early in the game. I like that

1230
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 1: they're making quarterbacks think more a little more now if

1231
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 1: they want to turn that corner and get those extra

1232
00:59:57,680 --> 00:59:58,280
Speaker 1: couple of yards.

1233
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:01,680
Speaker 2: I saw a little. I gained a little bit of

1234
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 2: a respect and all sincerity for THEO Johnson and the

1235
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:06,440
Speaker 2: Giants that they reacted the way that they did.

1236
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 1: You know Johnson in that sense and just the way

1237
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 1: he played. He was probably the one player in the

1238
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 1: Giants that I came away with really impressed in this game.

1239
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how you should react, just across sports real quickly,

1240
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 2: like I am. I am big on that in hockey

1241
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:23,480
Speaker 2: as well. Like we watch a lot of hockey in

1242
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:27,320
Speaker 2: our house, as you know, and when somebody comes after

1243
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:31,920
Speaker 2: pasta and the Bruins don't react to it, it pisses

1244
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 2: me off. I'm like, no, you don't get to come

1245
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 2: out ahead, hunt the best player and not have repercussions

1246
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:40,400
Speaker 2: for it, right, like you know, Caslick or somebody's got

1247
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:42,240
Speaker 2: to fight the guy, right like that. That's just the

1248
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 2: way it is in hockey. That's the way it is

1249
01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:46,560
Speaker 2: in football. Like if Drake May got hit like that

1250
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:49,760
Speaker 2: on the sideline. I would fully expect the entire sideline

1251
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 2: to want to kill the guy. That's how it goes, like,

1252
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 2: that's quarterback, that's how it goes. All right, onto the

1253
01:00:57,360 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 2: stuff that gets to beat. The one thing that got

1254
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 2: could get the Patriots beat the red zone offense. Man,

1255
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:08,280
Speaker 2: we're in a slump. We're in a slump. So as

1256
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 2: of right now, you know, they weren't this bad at

1257
01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:12,680
Speaker 2: the beginning of the year in the red zone, so

1258
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:15,400
Speaker 2: their red zone efficiency is like middle of the pack,

1259
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:18,120
Speaker 2: it's not awful, but the last like you know, a

1260
01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:20,320
Speaker 2: month or so of the season, it's not been good.

1261
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:26,120
Speaker 2: One in five in the red zone this week. And

1262
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:27,520
Speaker 2: when I look at it, because you know a lot

1263
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 2: of people ask like, what's wrong with the red zone offense,

1264
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:32,880
Speaker 2: I don't think you can just point to one thing.

1265
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:34,600
Speaker 2: I think it's a whole thread. Like once you start

1266
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:36,560
Speaker 2: pulling the thread, it's just there's a lot going on

1267
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:40,120
Speaker 2: with the red zone offense. I think the three main

1268
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 2: buckets though that I can probably put into this that

1269
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 2: you know, I see one. They're thirtieth right now in

1270
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:51,160
Speaker 2: red zone rushing success. They can't run the ball down there.

1271
01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:54,680
Speaker 2: And we talked about this last week. Running the ball

1272
01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:57,240
Speaker 2: in is the easiest way to score once you get

1273
01:01:57,240 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 2: inside the five yard line. There's just no there's no

1274
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:02,960
Speaker 2: other way to put it like that is the easiest

1275
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:05,320
Speaker 2: way to score down there. And they can't run the ball.

1276
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:07,280
Speaker 2: They can't get the push on the line of scrimmage.

1277
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:10,320
Speaker 2: They can't even get a yard on the goal line. Yeah,

1278
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:12,560
Speaker 2: so they can't run the ball down there in the

1279
01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:12,960
Speaker 2: red zone.

1280
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:14,760
Speaker 1: It's funny. They can get to the one. They'll run

1281
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:16,400
Speaker 1: from the five or the four to the one and

1282
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:18,000
Speaker 1: then they get tackled with the one and they can't

1283
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:19,040
Speaker 1: get that next yard.

1284
01:02:18,840 --> 01:02:22,160
Speaker 2: So they can't run the football down there. Fixing that

1285
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:24,800
Speaker 2: is easily number one on the list of ways to

1286
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 2: fix this problem, Like if you can start running the

1287
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:29,360
Speaker 2: football effectively down there. And I have some thoughts on

1288
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:31,200
Speaker 2: that in a second, but I just want to pull

1289
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:36,040
Speaker 2: you know, what's going wrong first? That's number one. Number two.

1290
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:40,959
Speaker 2: The one sort of like nitpick last frontier for Drake

1291
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 2: May in my opinion, is processing in the red zone,

1292
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:46,240
Speaker 2: and most of it it's pre snap processing in the

1293
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:48,880
Speaker 2: red zone. And I and I want to just say this,

1294
01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:52,400
Speaker 2: like he's a second year quarterback and we can't lose

1295
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:54,120
Speaker 2: sight of that. Like he's a twenty three year old

1296
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:55,000
Speaker 2: second year quarterback.

1297
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:57,480
Speaker 1: I want to ask you this along those lines, would

1298
01:02:57,480 --> 01:02:59,800
Speaker 1: you say, is further ahead pre snap processing or post

1299
01:02:59,880 --> 01:03:00,680
Speaker 1: now processing?

1300
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:03,520
Speaker 2: Post snap? He's really good at processing post name.

1301
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:06,360
Speaker 1: It's interesting because I doesn't usually go the other way.

1302
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:10,400
Speaker 2: I don't know. No, I would say it goes this

1303
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:14,000
Speaker 2: way because pre snap it's hard, like it's hard to

1304
01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:16,000
Speaker 2: be able to look at the shell of the defense

1305
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:19,080
Speaker 2: and anticipate what everybody's going to do on a play.

1306
01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 2: And you might think you know, but are you one

1307
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:25,160
Speaker 2: hundred percent? And I think what happens sometimes with Drake

1308
01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:27,240
Speaker 2: May and I don't know. This is just my opinion.

1309
01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:30,640
Speaker 2: I've never asked him. I don't know, but sometimes I

1310
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:32,760
Speaker 2: think that he just kind of goes with I'm just

1311
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:35,560
Speaker 2: going to run the play. Yeah, and I don't know

1312
01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:37,400
Speaker 2: one hundred percent, but I'm just going to run the play.

1313
01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:39,320
Speaker 2: So I'll give you one example. I put it in

1314
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:41,040
Speaker 2: after further of you. It's kind of hard for me

1315
01:03:41,080 --> 01:03:42,400
Speaker 2: to describe it on the air if you want to

1316
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:46,000
Speaker 2: see the visual, but it was the incomplete pass on

1317
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:48,360
Speaker 2: third down to Stefon Diggs in the corner of the

1318
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:52,880
Speaker 2: end zone and the Giants show cover zero pre snap,

1319
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:55,439
Speaker 2: so they have man to man across the board cover zero,

1320
01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:57,960
Speaker 2: no safety. It was like the three yard line, so

1321
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:01,040
Speaker 2: there's no point in putting the safety. And then they

1322
01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 2: were gonna bring the house. They're gonna bring pressure, and

1323
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:07,040
Speaker 2: Drake May calls Hunter Henry in to stay in to

1324
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:11,800
Speaker 2: block on the play. So by default, when you know,

1325
01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:16,360
Speaker 2: as a quarterback, the tight end is blocking, his man

1326
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:19,880
Speaker 2: defender now becomes a free player, right because he doesn't

1327
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:22,720
Speaker 2: have to cover Hunter Henry because Hunter Henry's blocking. So

1328
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:24,760
Speaker 2: there's one of two things that could happen. Either that

1329
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:27,280
Speaker 2: guy's gonna blitz and he's gonna you know, green dog

1330
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:30,000
Speaker 2: it and he's going to join the rush, or he's

1331
01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:33,680
Speaker 2: going to drop into like a robber zone. Right, But

1332
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:37,400
Speaker 2: either way, that player is now he's public enemy number

1333
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:39,840
Speaker 2: one now, right, Like he's your issue, he's your problem

1334
01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:42,240
Speaker 2: that you have to solve. So on the play, they

1335
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:45,120
Speaker 2: have two routes to Drake's right in one route to

1336
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:48,240
Speaker 2: Drake's left backside route by Kishawan Boody. So on the

1337
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:51,320
Speaker 2: right hand side they just run like a classic like

1338
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:54,120
Speaker 2: slant corner, you know, smash type of concept that you

1339
01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:57,000
Speaker 2: see in the red zone all the time, and Hunter

1340
01:04:57,080 --> 01:04:59,760
Speaker 2: Henry's guys on that side of the formation and he

1341
01:04:59,880 --> 01:05:02,920
Speaker 2: just drops right into the slant window. So now you

1342
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:05,200
Speaker 2: have to throw the low percentage corner fade to the

1343
01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:07,680
Speaker 2: back of the end zone, just Fawn Diggs. So now

1344
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:10,520
Speaker 2: you know, just from a numbers perspective, you have three

1345
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:13,920
Speaker 2: Giants defenders covering two Patriots receivers on that side of

1346
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:17,000
Speaker 2: the field. On the backside of the formation, you have

1347
01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:20,040
Speaker 2: Kaishan Boody who's just one on one with his man.

1348
01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:22,640
Speaker 2: So when you look at this shell pre snap, you know,

1349
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:24,640
Speaker 2: I would like to see Drake may get to the

1350
01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:29,120
Speaker 2: backside of that because he's going to have the numbers

1351
01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:32,080
Speaker 2: even on the backside one on one, whereas on the

1352
01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:36,240
Speaker 2: other side that help defender that free defender that falls

1353
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:39,280
Speaker 2: off Hunter Henry has now become a problem. So now

1354
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:41,280
Speaker 2: instead of just being able to throw the slant to

1355
01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:44,000
Speaker 2: Matt Collins for an easy touchdown, now you have to

1356
01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:46,160
Speaker 2: go over the top and you have to throw the fade,

1357
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:50,160
Speaker 2: which is obviously a low percentage throw. So those are

1358
01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:52,080
Speaker 2: the sort of the little things in terms of like

1359
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:56,480
Speaker 2: his uh pre snap and kind of understanding whereas the

1360
01:05:56,520 --> 01:05:59,120
Speaker 2: easiest throw to make down here that I think that

1361
01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:02,160
Speaker 2: he could probably improve upon. That's not to say he's

1362
01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:04,360
Speaker 2: the only problem. That's not to say he's not great.

1363
01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:07,120
Speaker 2: He's not the MVP. I'm just telling you, like, these

1364
01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:09,520
Speaker 2: are little things that are happening under the hood with

1365
01:06:09,640 --> 01:06:12,480
Speaker 2: him on tape right that you know, he could improve

1366
01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:14,600
Speaker 2: on again as his second year guy, Like, he's not

1367
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:18,919
Speaker 2: We're not ten years into this. He's not Tom Brady, right,

1368
01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:20,360
Speaker 2: So he's not going to come to the line of

1369
01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:23,040
Speaker 2: scrimmage and dominate pre snap at the line of scrimmage

1370
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:25,880
Speaker 2: as a second year quarterback. Neither was Brady in two

1371
01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:28,240
Speaker 2: thousand and one. I promise you he was not, you know,

1372
01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:31,240
Speaker 2: being the chess master that he ended up being. So

1373
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:35,120
Speaker 2: it's it's a process. It's a process. So there, and also,

1374
01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:38,200
Speaker 2: you know, processing down by the red zone is probably

1375
01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:40,320
Speaker 2: one of the hardest things to do because it happens

1376
01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:42,760
Speaker 2: so much faster right than it does in the middle

1377
01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:46,200
Speaker 2: of the field. So that is easily the hardest thing

1378
01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:48,240
Speaker 2: to do as a young quarterback in the NFL. Is

1379
01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:52,040
Speaker 2: there is red zone processing. So putting those two things together,

1380
01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:55,280
Speaker 2: Alex I can't run the ball. Drake May is probably

1381
01:06:55,360 --> 01:06:58,800
Speaker 2: final frontier, you know, his final hurdle as a quarterback

1382
01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:02,120
Speaker 2: is you know, and pre snap processing down in the

1383
01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:05,920
Speaker 2: red zone. So the one thing that I think that

1384
01:07:06,120 --> 01:07:09,640
Speaker 2: could kind of solve all of this, not solve all

1385
01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:10,240
Speaker 2: of it, but help.

1386
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:10,960
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1387
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:14,760
Speaker 2: Oh and sorry, last thing. They don't have Tonga, so

1388
01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:17,040
Speaker 2: that to me is a big part of this too.

1389
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:18,640
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to somebody about this the other day, you

1390
01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:20,720
Speaker 1: know who they I don't even know if miss is

1391
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:24,320
Speaker 1: the right word, but like brock Lampy injury kind of

1392
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:26,200
Speaker 1: looms a little bit and they need a fall back.

1393
01:07:26,200 --> 01:07:27,680
Speaker 1: I've seen people ask like do they need to fall

1394
01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:30,840
Speaker 1: back this offseason? It'll be interesting to see, Well here's

1395
01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:32,240
Speaker 1: the thing, do they need one or do they look

1396
01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:33,920
Speaker 1: at it and be like, well, we're gonna get Lampy

1397
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:35,120
Speaker 1: back and he's the guy.

1398
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:36,360
Speaker 2: Sure, So I.

1399
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:39,000
Speaker 1: Mean just remember that we get to the although they

1400
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:41,280
Speaker 1: need a full back, they still at brock Lampy, at

1401
01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:44,280
Speaker 1: least they for now they still do, but they they

1402
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:48,200
Speaker 1: miss somebody in that role like Jack west Over trying

1403
01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:50,360
Speaker 1: to adjust. Yeah, he's just not that kind of player.

1404
01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:55,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, So hopefully when they get Tanga back. You know,

1405
01:07:55,560 --> 01:07:57,920
Speaker 2: that will also help because he's a battering ram and

1406
01:07:58,000 --> 01:07:59,360
Speaker 2: he can you know.

1407
01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:01,680
Speaker 1: He'll probably the closest they have.

1408
01:08:02,080 --> 01:08:05,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that those are the three buckets of things

1409
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:07,320
Speaker 2: that I look at with the red zone offense is like,

1410
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:10,439
Speaker 2: what is going wrong with the red zone offense? Now,

1411
01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:12,680
Speaker 2: let's fix it, you know, in terms of the fixes.

1412
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:16,880
Speaker 2: One thing, just looking at their run game without getting

1413
01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:19,000
Speaker 2: into some of the bells and whistles that we can discuss.

1414
01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:23,360
Speaker 2: I don't think that this is an offensive line, that

1415
01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:27,920
Speaker 2: it is very good at vertical displacement, like running downhill.

1416
01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:32,680
Speaker 2: So I wouldn't mind them trying to run more outside

1417
01:08:32,680 --> 01:08:36,479
Speaker 2: and kind of using the offensive lines athleticism instead of

1418
01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:40,439
Speaker 2: its power in some of these situations. And Trayvon Henderson's

1419
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:43,680
Speaker 2: athleticism too right in his speed to the edge. So

1420
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:48,040
Speaker 2: I wouldn't hate like some tosses, some cracked tosses, you know,

1421
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:52,280
Speaker 2: those misdirection flips like things like that. I think maybe

1422
01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:55,920
Speaker 2: is better for this group than other groups, because they're

1423
01:08:55,960 --> 01:08:58,920
Speaker 2: probably a little bit better moving laterally than they are

1424
01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:02,360
Speaker 2: moving vertical, clean up the field and trying to win

1425
01:09:02,439 --> 01:09:06,280
Speaker 2: with power the other elements. You know, I do think

1426
01:09:06,320 --> 01:09:09,720
Speaker 2: there could be a little bit more window dressing down there.

1427
01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:11,760
Speaker 2: You know, the Chiefs and other teams like that are

1428
01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:14,559
Speaker 2: really good at using like those return motions where the

1429
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:16,400
Speaker 2: guy comes in and he goes back out and you

1430
01:09:16,479 --> 01:09:19,360
Speaker 2: have to pass it and figure it all out defensively,

1431
01:09:19,400 --> 01:09:21,960
Speaker 2: Like they could try to go smoking mirrors yea down

1432
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:25,360
Speaker 2: there and just dress everything up with window dressing and

1433
01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:27,759
Speaker 2: just try to confuse the crap out of the defense.

1434
01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:31,160
Speaker 2: But the last thing that I think is coming I

1435
01:09:31,240 --> 01:09:35,920
Speaker 2: do when the games get higher stakes, they're not really

1436
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:39,559
Speaker 2: running Drake down in the red zone yet, and they're

1437
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:43,439
Speaker 2: not really using his mobility to leverage it against the defense.

1438
01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:45,479
Speaker 2: Like every once in a while they'll run his zone

1439
01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:47,880
Speaker 2: read just to have him hold the backside, but it's

1440
01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:51,200
Speaker 2: not really he's not really keeping it yet, right, So

1441
01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:55,559
Speaker 2: is that the last element? You know? More you know,

1442
01:09:55,680 --> 01:10:00,320
Speaker 2: zone read, more rpo, and when it comes playoff and

1443
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:01,960
Speaker 2: you're in the playoff game and you're in the fourth

1444
01:10:02,040 --> 01:10:03,720
Speaker 2: quarter and you're at the two yard line and you

1445
01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:06,799
Speaker 2: need a touchdown, you know, then you start to unlock,

1446
01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:08,080
Speaker 2: like letting Drake run.

1447
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:12,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they've said they'll do it to win games.

1448
01:10:14,040 --> 01:10:16,960
Speaker 1: They didn't they they tried one I think against Cincinnati

1449
01:10:17,439 --> 01:10:19,320
Speaker 1: or was it a busted play. There's one that looked

1450
01:10:19,320 --> 01:10:20,960
Speaker 1: like a designed run, but it might have been like

1451
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:25,639
Speaker 1: for a late flip. I've said this before. I think

1452
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:28,479
Speaker 1: that you'd rather run him not enough than too much.

1453
01:10:28,520 --> 01:10:30,920
Speaker 1: You'd rather err on the side of caution. But I

1454
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:32,760
Speaker 1: don't think that number needs to be zero. And if

1455
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:35,439
Speaker 1: it's just in the red zone, so be it. They

1456
01:10:35,439 --> 01:10:39,200
Speaker 1: had one where they spread out, they went five wide,

1457
01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:43,160
Speaker 1: and the Giants were so last week they tried to

1458
01:10:43,200 --> 01:10:45,880
Speaker 1: run the ball ton in the red zone. This week.

1459
01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:47,880
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was being discouraged about the

1460
01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:51,719
Speaker 1: run game whatever personnel. There was more like a run

1461
01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:54,280
Speaker 1: pass split when they got close to the goal line,

1462
01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:56,840
Speaker 1: and I think the Giants were sitting on that. There

1463
01:10:56,880 --> 01:10:59,519
Speaker 1: was one where they came out five wide and the

1464
01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:01,240
Speaker 1: Giants to spread it out and I was like, oh,

1465
01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:04,120
Speaker 1: QB draw, here you go like that and then they

1466
01:11:04,240 --> 01:11:06,639
Speaker 1: motioned remandering and I think that was the one where

1467
01:11:06,680 --> 01:11:08,240
Speaker 1: they end up throwing it tim in the flat for

1468
01:11:08,240 --> 01:11:09,479
Speaker 1: no gain. I think it was from like the three

1469
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:12,040
Speaker 1: yard line. Yeah, Like, even just something as simple as that,

1470
01:11:12,120 --> 01:11:14,000
Speaker 1: you don't need to do it a ton, but maybe

1471
01:11:14,040 --> 01:11:15,639
Speaker 1: when you get to like third and goal from the one,

1472
01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:18,000
Speaker 1: and you've exhausted everything else, like they should try to

1473
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:18,360
Speaker 1: mix it in.

1474
01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:21,559
Speaker 2: I have been waiting all season because they ran it

1475
01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:23,519
Speaker 2: and look, he's a different kind of athlete, but they

1476
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:26,759
Speaker 2: ranted a bunch with Cam. I've been waiting all season

1477
01:11:27,080 --> 01:11:30,040
Speaker 2: for them to motion the running back and to create

1478
01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:33,880
Speaker 2: empty and then to run QB power downhill at the

1479
01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:35,960
Speaker 2: line of scrimmage. I've been waiting all year to see

1480
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:38,719
Speaker 2: them do that. Now, Drake May is not two hundred

1481
01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:40,960
Speaker 2: and forty five pounds like Cam Newton was, right, so

1482
01:11:41,080 --> 01:11:45,000
Speaker 2: running him inside might not be something that you want

1483
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:46,920
Speaker 2: to do on a regular basis because he's not built

1484
01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:49,960
Speaker 2: like that. But if you get the defense off guard,

1485
01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:52,040
Speaker 2: like he's gonna just waltz in, right. Yeah.

1486
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:55,160
Speaker 1: They it feels like they've more than set up the draw,

1487
01:11:55,560 --> 01:11:56,599
Speaker 1: the shotgun draw.

1488
01:11:56,560 --> 01:11:58,840
Speaker 2: And maybe that's something that they're trying to put on tape,

1489
01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:01,840
Speaker 2: is the setup. And then you know when they play

1490
01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:04,839
Speaker 2: Buffalo and they can win the division in week fifteen

1491
01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:07,320
Speaker 2: by beating Buffalo and it's the fourth quarter and it's

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Speaker 1: Five right now, you pull it out. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: that that's possible.

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Speaker 2: But adding Drake May's mobility into their low red zone

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Speaker 2: and goal line package I think would And I'm not

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Speaker 2: talking about sneaks. I'm talking about like design quarterback runs

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01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:26,400
Speaker 2: that I think it would go a really long way

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Speaker 2: I know you guys have all been waiting for a while.

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01:15:38,160 --> 01:15:39,920
Speaker 2: Jared is in New Jersey. What's up, Jared?

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Speaker 4: Hey, what's up?

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01:15:42,240 --> 01:15:43,040
Speaker 2: Guys? How we doing?

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01:15:44,120 --> 01:15:46,720
Speaker 4: Just got a good just got a couple of things here.

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01:15:46,840 --> 01:15:48,320
Speaker 4: Just want to shout out to two guys that I

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01:15:48,479 --> 01:15:48,960
Speaker 4: noticed just.

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Speaker 8: Doing it weekend week out.

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01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:54,160
Speaker 7: Christian Barmore. He's just an amazing player. He's a true

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Speaker 7: football player.

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01:15:55,800 --> 01:15:58,640
Speaker 8: Matt Collins. Also this guy, you thrown the ball, he

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01:15:58,760 --> 01:15:59,160
Speaker 8: catches it.

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01:15:59,360 --> 01:16:00,960
Speaker 7: You ask him to do something, he'll do it.

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01:16:01,720 --> 01:16:02,479
Speaker 2: I just love him.

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01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:05,559
Speaker 4: Two guys that I just think are great for this team.

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01:16:06,280 --> 01:16:07,559
Speaker 6: My last thing, it's a.

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01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:08,599
Speaker 2: Free agency question.

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01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:10,000
Speaker 6: Might not be able to get to it.

1581
01:16:10,120 --> 01:16:13,440
Speaker 8: But zach Ertz, this guy's killing it on the Commanders.

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01:16:14,040 --> 01:16:15,680
Speaker 1: Daniels and Mariota love him.

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01:16:15,880 --> 01:16:18,759
Speaker 8: Do you see him as a fit maybe next year, maybe.

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01:16:18,600 --> 01:16:19,599
Speaker 7: Coming in a free agency.

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01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:22,280
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's basically it.

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01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:26,800
Speaker 2: Thank you, guys, he said zach Ertz. Yeah, yeah, so

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01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:31,120
Speaker 2: zach Ertz is interesting. That guy's like the guy that

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01:16:31,400 --> 01:16:32,160
Speaker 2: he's agent like.

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01:16:32,200 --> 01:16:34,240
Speaker 1: Fine Wise is another one of these ageless players.

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01:16:34,360 --> 01:16:36,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't know if he's a fit, you know, Like,

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01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:38,800
Speaker 2: I don't mean that because I don't like him as

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01:16:38,840 --> 01:16:41,479
Speaker 2: a player. I just they have Hunter Henry and Austin Hooper.

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01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:42,640
Speaker 2: I think they kind of need to move in the

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01:16:42,680 --> 01:16:44,559
Speaker 2: other direction at tight end, you know, would just get

1595
01:16:44,680 --> 01:16:48,200
Speaker 2: younger at the position and not get older. Yeah, Barmore

1596
01:16:48,280 --> 01:16:51,000
Speaker 2: is a good shout out. Like Barmore is now the

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01:16:51,080 --> 01:16:54,200
Speaker 2: guy on that defensive line. He's seeing all sorts of

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01:16:54,280 --> 01:16:56,800
Speaker 2: double teams. He's still making plays. I thought he was

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01:16:56,880 --> 01:16:59,280
Speaker 2: really really good in this game for the most part.

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Speaker 2: Couple of double teams, like everybody that he got pushed

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01:17:02,120 --> 01:17:04,599
Speaker 2: around on a little bit, but had some really high

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01:17:04,680 --> 01:17:07,000
Speaker 2: level reps, even reps that like led to plays for

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01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:09,560
Speaker 2: other guys that were He's plugging gaps and you know,

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01:17:10,280 --> 01:17:13,000
Speaker 2: moving guys and then allowing his teammates to finish up

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01:17:13,160 --> 01:17:17,280
Speaker 2: the play. So yeah, Barmore is he's doing his best

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01:17:17,320 --> 01:17:20,120
Speaker 2: without his without his wingman there. You know, it's it's

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01:17:20,200 --> 01:17:22,960
Speaker 2: hard without Melon Williams. He's doing his best, all right.

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01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:25,800
Speaker 2: Randy is in Providence. What's up? Randy?

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Speaker 4: Up?

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Speaker 2: All right? Call back, Randy. You were on hold for

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01:17:34,200 --> 01:17:38,559
Speaker 2: a while. If you're still there, Patty, what's up? Patty,

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01:17:38,640 --> 01:17:39,200
Speaker 2: how are we doing?

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Speaker 1: What's up?

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Speaker 3: Guys?

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Speaker 7: They So, I just wanted to kind of piggyback on

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01:17:47,200 --> 01:17:49,320
Speaker 7: one thing that Alex said, but before I do that,

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01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:52,760
Speaker 7: this team kind of reminds me of a couple of

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01:17:52,840 --> 01:17:55,439
Speaker 7: Patriots teams from the past. One of them is the

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01:17:55,560 --> 01:17:57,720
Speaker 7: ninety four Patriots team, which I didn't get to watch

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01:17:57,760 --> 01:18:01,000
Speaker 7: a lot of because that was in Marine Corps boot

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01:18:01,040 --> 01:18:05,560
Speaker 7: camp and sy subsequently. But that team had a you know,

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01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:08,120
Speaker 7: second year Drew Bledsoe, who kind of went off, but

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01:18:08,240 --> 01:18:10,599
Speaker 7: it also had a team they signed Mary and Butts

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01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:13,320
Speaker 7: to come in here and be kind of dead that

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01:18:13,520 --> 01:18:17,320
Speaker 7: sledgehammer running back and just never lived up to fruition.

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01:18:17,479 --> 01:18:21,000
Speaker 7: And the three team, which just kept finding ways to

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01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:23,640
Speaker 7: win no matter what I mean they had. They had

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01:18:23,640 --> 01:18:26,760
Speaker 7: a few ugly games. They want to shootouts, they want

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01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:29,040
Speaker 7: to blowouts. Kind of reminds me a little bit of

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Speaker 7: this team. But Alex, what you said earlier about consistency, Yeah,

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01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:37,720
Speaker 7: I said, just a couple of weeks ago, like there's

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Speaker 7: a few teams in the league. Actually there's really only

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Speaker 7: two that just weekend week out just find ways to win.

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Speaker 7: It's it's Austin, the Broncos and Evan, I know, I

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01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:50,840
Speaker 7: know you're not scared about going into Denver, but uh,

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01:18:51,160 --> 01:18:53,400
Speaker 7: kind of give props to my man Speed. It's just

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01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:55,960
Speaker 7: it's one of those places like Miami. It's a house

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01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:59,640
Speaker 7: of horrors. Even when we had Brady, even when we

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01:18:59,840 --> 01:19:07,519
Speaker 7: had Blood, so we just we couldn't Patty oh All

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01:19:07,560 --> 01:19:08,599
Speaker 7: one was his last year.

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01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:11,479
Speaker 2: So yeah, I don't know if he's going to be

1642
01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:13,720
Speaker 2: suiting up for the Patriots in the playoffs.

1643
01:19:14,360 --> 01:19:17,760
Speaker 7: Huh okay, but a little fun fact, a little fun fact,

1644
01:19:17,840 --> 01:19:22,040
Speaker 7: and then they've never won a playoff game in Denver ever. Yeah,

1645
01:19:22,040 --> 01:19:24,719
Speaker 7: and I know, like, actually the worm has to turn

1646
01:19:25,439 --> 01:19:28,200
Speaker 7: and it has to change if we get to play

1647
01:19:28,280 --> 01:19:32,200
Speaker 7: them this year in Denver. You know, I'm I'm hoping

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01:19:32,280 --> 01:19:33,960
Speaker 7: that they take it, and I think this team will

1649
01:19:34,040 --> 01:19:37,120
Speaker 7: find a way to win if that happens. So even

1650
01:19:37,160 --> 01:19:39,840
Speaker 7: though I'm giving props to my man Speed, I'm I'm

1651
01:19:39,920 --> 01:19:42,040
Speaker 7: kind of in your camp too. I'm not at this

1652
01:19:42,160 --> 01:19:44,320
Speaker 7: point right now, at eleven and two, I'm I'm really

1653
01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:46,679
Speaker 7: not afraid to play any team. And that's all I got, guys.

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01:19:46,920 --> 01:19:49,920
Speaker 2: Thanks. I don't want to fully do the whole Denver

1655
01:19:50,080 --> 01:19:52,600
Speaker 2: thing again, but like I think the problem that I

1656
01:19:52,720 --> 01:19:56,519
Speaker 2: have with the whole, like it's like a house of horrors.

1657
01:19:56,640 --> 01:20:00,960
Speaker 2: Thing is like first of all playoff games in Denver.

1658
01:20:01,680 --> 01:20:05,240
Speaker 2: So the AFC title game against Peyton that was what

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01:20:05,400 --> 01:20:09,360
Speaker 2: twenty thirteen or fifteen oh fifteen? Yeah, they played them

1660
01:20:09,400 --> 01:20:10,639
Speaker 2: twice though, didn't they. Yeah?

1661
01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:12,799
Speaker 1: I think one might have been divisional. No, they're both.

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01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:15,120
Speaker 2: Change and they lost both of them. Yeah, so that's

1663
01:20:15,200 --> 01:20:18,519
Speaker 2: twenty fifteen and twenty thirteen, I want to say, and

1664
01:20:18,680 --> 01:20:24,240
Speaker 2: then uh, the Jake Plumber the game, right, Yeah, that's

1665
01:20:24,320 --> 01:20:28,759
Speaker 2: two thousand and five, right, so first Brady's first playoff loss.

1666
01:20:29,280 --> 01:20:32,519
Speaker 2: So we're just going off of the like that's we're

1667
01:20:32,520 --> 01:20:36,040
Speaker 2: talking about a three game sample size. I just and

1668
01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:37,080
Speaker 2: I don't want to do this whole thing.

1669
01:20:37,200 --> 01:20:40,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, altitude is something that doesn't mean the Patriots can't win,

1670
01:20:40,160 --> 01:20:41,320
Speaker 1: but the altitude is something.

1671
01:20:41,400 --> 01:20:43,400
Speaker 2: Okay. The second thing that I would just say about

1672
01:20:43,400 --> 01:20:46,519
Speaker 2: the whole, the whole Denver thing, you know, one of

1673
01:20:46,600 --> 01:20:49,640
Speaker 2: that thing is that it's a tiny, little sample size, right,

1674
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:52,760
Speaker 2: the little The other thing is is like we just

1675
01:20:52,880 --> 01:20:56,240
Speaker 2: named the three games. It was twenty fifteen to twenty thirteen,

1676
01:20:56,280 --> 01:20:59,200
Speaker 2: two thousand and five. I believe it was might have

1677
01:20:59,200 --> 01:21:05,920
Speaker 2: been No. Six technically, but oh five, Yeah, that was ten, twelve,

1678
01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:11,320
Speaker 2: twenty years ago. So what relevancy does the fact that

1679
01:21:11,400 --> 01:21:14,160
Speaker 2: Tom Brady lost his first playoff game to Jake Plumber

1680
01:21:14,479 --> 01:21:17,720
Speaker 2: on a stupid Saturday night where Ben Watson clearly uh

1681
01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:20,040
Speaker 2: you know, got the ball out of champallis like, what

1682
01:21:20,200 --> 01:21:21,639
Speaker 2: relevancy does that have to this point?

1683
01:21:22,040 --> 01:21:24,800
Speaker 1: Relevancy there? I think it's just people trying to prove

1684
01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:28,000
Speaker 1: the point that, hey, going to Denver is never an

1685
01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:30,960
Speaker 1: easy task. That's just the reality of it. It's one

1686
01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:33,680
Speaker 1: of the better between the elevation, which is a thing,

1687
01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:36,280
Speaker 1: and also credit to that crowd they show up. It

1688
01:21:36,439 --> 01:21:39,479
Speaker 1: is one of the tougher, right and then you know

1689
01:21:39,520 --> 01:21:41,200
Speaker 1: it's gonna be cold, it's gonna be nasty. Yet it

1690
01:21:41,320 --> 01:21:45,040
Speaker 1: is one of the tougher visits in the NFL. I

1691
01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:46,920
Speaker 1: think that doesn't mean they can't go and win there,

1692
01:21:47,040 --> 01:21:49,000
Speaker 1: but you could, like so the problem with that we

1693
01:21:49,120 --> 01:21:50,920
Speaker 1: talked about a couple of weeks ago. Would you rather

1694
01:21:51,000 --> 01:21:54,360
Speaker 1: go to Denver or Indy? Like Indy such an easier.

1695
01:21:54,320 --> 01:21:57,439
Speaker 2: Yes, but the problem the problem with that, that thing,

1696
01:21:57,760 --> 01:22:01,720
Speaker 2: yeah is like the like than like anecdotally listening to

1697
01:22:01,800 --> 01:22:05,880
Speaker 2: players talk about playing in Denver. Yeah, in terms of

1698
01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:11,400
Speaker 2: like Denver's record at home over the last really going

1699
01:22:11,439 --> 01:22:13,840
Speaker 2: all the way back to John Elway, Denver has been

1700
01:22:13,880 --> 01:22:16,200
Speaker 2: one of the better teams in the league. So obviously

1701
01:22:16,280 --> 01:22:18,120
Speaker 2: their record is better at home than most of the

1702
01:22:18,200 --> 01:22:20,080
Speaker 2: teams in the NFL. Just like if you looked at

1703
01:22:20,120 --> 01:22:23,080
Speaker 2: the Patriots record, okay at home over the last twenty

1704
01:22:23,160 --> 01:22:25,640
Speaker 2: five years, it's gonna be really really good. And I

1705
01:22:25,720 --> 01:22:29,760
Speaker 2: don't know if this is some great home field advantage

1706
01:22:30,120 --> 01:22:32,280
Speaker 2: or if they just had Tom Brady for twenty years

1707
01:22:32,439 --> 01:22:35,000
Speaker 2: and they just were great and so he went at

1708
01:22:35,040 --> 01:22:35,479
Speaker 2: home a lot.

1709
01:22:35,720 --> 01:22:38,160
Speaker 1: But you look at I have to find the exact number.

1710
01:22:38,160 --> 01:22:40,479
Speaker 1: I forget, but like I think they want their the

1711
01:22:40,680 --> 01:22:43,840
Speaker 1: difference between their home winning percentage and road winning percentage

1712
01:22:44,479 --> 01:22:46,200
Speaker 1: is bigger than average.

1713
01:22:46,439 --> 01:22:47,680
Speaker 2: I just feel like this is like.

1714
01:22:53,720 --> 01:22:55,760
Speaker 1: I looked this up that I text you this last night.

1715
01:22:55,800 --> 01:22:57,880
Speaker 1: They're like, I think, ninth in home wins.

1716
01:22:58,000 --> 01:22:59,920
Speaker 2: So there's like eight teams that are better at home

1717
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:02,439
Speaker 2: than Denver, and we're acting like it's.

1718
01:23:02,120 --> 01:23:04,200
Speaker 1: Just like, well, players say it's hard to play there,

1719
01:23:04,280 --> 01:23:06,439
Speaker 1: and that's an anecdote. It doesn't matter, Like why why

1720
01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:08,600
Speaker 1: can't we listen to the players who've played there. They have,

1721
01:23:08,720 --> 01:23:09,160
Speaker 1: we haven't.

1722
01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:11,439
Speaker 2: I didn't say we can't and.

1723
01:23:12,120 --> 01:23:13,800
Speaker 1: They've You kind of just dismissed it.

1724
01:23:14,120 --> 01:23:17,240
Speaker 2: No, I didn't just say ye anecdotally other than you,

1725
01:23:17,400 --> 01:23:19,960
Speaker 2: you know how I feel about it. It's an element.

1726
01:23:20,160 --> 01:23:23,040
Speaker 2: It's managing an element, just like managing, but it's a

1727
01:23:23,080 --> 01:23:27,080
Speaker 2: snowstorm or managing a rainstorm, or managin a crazy winded

1728
01:23:27,160 --> 01:23:29,000
Speaker 2: but it's a tougher it's an element.

1729
01:23:29,120 --> 01:23:32,680
Speaker 1: It's a tougher element to manage than many of the

1730
01:23:32,720 --> 01:23:33,960
Speaker 1: other places you'd end up going.

1731
01:23:35,040 --> 01:23:37,920
Speaker 2: Sure for maybe for the Patriots just because they they

1732
01:23:37,960 --> 01:23:42,320
Speaker 2: don't play in elevation here, but like when they're when

1733
01:23:42,400 --> 01:23:44,400
Speaker 2: the Chargers come here and they lose in the playoffs

1734
01:23:44,439 --> 01:23:46,679
Speaker 2: because it's twenty five degrees, what do we say about

1735
01:23:46,680 --> 01:23:47,120
Speaker 2: the Chargers?

1736
01:23:47,160 --> 01:23:49,760
Speaker 1: We say, what a bunch of horses, right, because they

1737
01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:51,760
Speaker 1: can't it's an element that they don't.

1738
01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:53,760
Speaker 2: We go and they and they and they lose. And

1739
01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:54,680
Speaker 2: in Denver the.

1740
01:23:54,720 --> 01:23:57,280
Speaker 1: Chargers also come here and are non competitive.

1741
01:23:56,840 --> 01:23:59,160
Speaker 2: Okay, but they don't just lose. If we go to

1742
01:23:59,280 --> 01:24:00,679
Speaker 2: Denver and they say.

1743
01:24:00,800 --> 01:24:02,560
Speaker 1: They should not get their doors blown off by the

1744
01:24:02,600 --> 01:24:03,599
Speaker 1: Broncos because.

1745
01:24:03,360 --> 01:24:05,240
Speaker 2: Of the action happen, right, So then what are we

1746
01:24:05,320 --> 01:24:07,320
Speaker 2: talking about. The better team on the TA will win.

1747
01:24:07,400 --> 01:24:10,160
Speaker 1: Its just more to manage. It's more to it, just

1748
01:24:10,200 --> 01:24:13,040
Speaker 1: the better team. Yeah, but if they're close, it can

1749
01:24:13,120 --> 01:24:14,240
Speaker 1: be a deciding factor.

1750
01:24:15,439 --> 01:24:18,000
Speaker 2: I guess it can be, as we're not going to agree.

1751
01:24:18,360 --> 01:24:22,840
Speaker 1: I just like nobody is saying, Okay, it's place to

1752
01:24:22,840 --> 01:24:23,479
Speaker 1: play in the league.

1753
01:24:24,040 --> 01:24:27,200
Speaker 2: You're gonna lose in Denver. You're acting terrified of the Broncos.

1754
01:24:27,520 --> 01:24:31,479
Speaker 2: All right, I lay down my stored Okay, yeah, it's

1755
01:24:31,560 --> 01:24:34,840
Speaker 2: a horrible, horrible, horrible outcome of the Patriots have to

1756
01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:35,839
Speaker 2: get you're acting.

1757
01:24:35,920 --> 01:24:38,880
Speaker 1: I don't want anything to do with People are saying, well, okay,

1758
01:24:38,920 --> 01:24:41,000
Speaker 1: it's at altitude, so they're gonna lose by Forting. We

1759
01:24:41,040 --> 01:24:42,800
Speaker 1: all have to be okay with that. That's not how

1760
01:24:42,840 --> 01:24:46,240
Speaker 1: anybody's looking at it. It's another variable. It's another factor

1761
01:24:46,280 --> 01:24:47,920
Speaker 1: in the game you have to deal with. You want

1762
01:24:47,960 --> 01:24:48,680
Speaker 1: to you want them.

1763
01:24:49,840 --> 01:24:51,040
Speaker 2: It's not the most important one.

1764
01:24:51,160 --> 01:24:53,479
Speaker 1: What's the fact. But if it is a close game,

1765
01:24:53,960 --> 01:24:56,800
Speaker 1: those little things start to matter.

1766
01:24:58,960 --> 01:25:01,160
Speaker 2: Let's hope that the Patriot just get the number one seed.

1767
01:25:01,200 --> 01:25:03,040
Speaker 2: So I don't need to argue with people about this

1768
01:25:03,240 --> 01:25:05,120
Speaker 2: for three weeks and you know, leading up to a

1769
01:25:05,160 --> 01:25:08,840
Speaker 2: potential AFC Championship game in Denver because I'm tired a

1770
01:25:08,960 --> 01:25:10,000
Speaker 2: diary of argument.

1771
01:25:10,120 --> 01:25:11,120
Speaker 1: Watch what's gonna happen.

1772
01:25:11,439 --> 01:25:14,760
Speaker 2: But it's just we can agree to disagree. Hang on,

1773
01:25:14,960 --> 01:25:18,799
Speaker 2: so the Broncos, I we we can agree to disagree.

1774
01:25:18,840 --> 01:25:22,040
Speaker 2: We're not gonna We're not going to Neither one of

1775
01:25:22,120 --> 01:25:24,160
Speaker 2: us is gonna budge on this one. Although I am

1776
01:25:24,600 --> 01:25:27,000
Speaker 2: laying down my sword and I am saying that I

1777
01:25:27,040 --> 01:25:29,479
Speaker 2: don't want to play the Broncos. Everybody else is right

1778
01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:31,160
Speaker 2: and I'm wrong and I don't want to play the Broncos.

1779
01:25:31,240 --> 01:25:32,800
Speaker 1: Here here evan wait to be the bigger man. Yeah,

1780
01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:35,280
Speaker 1: all right, so I'm done here. You said, oh this

1781
01:25:35,360 --> 01:25:38,280
Speaker 1: is going nineteen sixty? Give me, give me what do

1782
01:25:38,479 --> 01:25:41,640
Speaker 1: we want to say? Nineteen on the ground it's done eighty? No,

1783
01:25:41,800 --> 01:25:44,960
Speaker 1: I'm not You all are right, I'm not battling. Well, no,

1784
01:25:45,080 --> 01:25:47,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm going to actually give you the tangible.

1785
01:25:47,120 --> 01:25:48,559
Speaker 1: I just got to put the years in, but I'm

1786
01:25:48,560 --> 01:25:51,400
Speaker 1: going to give you the actual tangible, Like how much

1787
01:25:51,439 --> 01:25:53,280
Speaker 1: better are they at home than on the road? Since

1788
01:25:53,320 --> 01:25:59,040
Speaker 1: two thousand? At home, the Broncos are one thirty two

1789
01:25:59,080 --> 01:26:03,800
Speaker 1: and seventy six on the road, they are ninety five

1790
01:26:03,880 --> 01:26:07,200
Speaker 1: and one oh three. That's actually a pretty significant swing.

1791
01:26:09,400 --> 01:26:12,800
Speaker 1: I just so they're I think that what I think

1792
01:26:12,920 --> 01:26:16,400
Speaker 1: this is what it all stems from. And I and

1793
01:26:16,680 --> 01:26:18,439
Speaker 1: I kind of wanted to talk about something this stuff.

1794
01:26:18,439 --> 01:26:21,280
Speaker 1: And they're sixty games over five hundred at home since

1795
01:26:21,360 --> 01:26:23,640
Speaker 1: two thousand. Yeah, if I did this correctly on Pro

1796
01:26:23,680 --> 01:26:26,840
Speaker 1: Football Reference, sixty games over five hundred at home, twenty

1797
01:26:26,920 --> 01:26:28,960
Speaker 1: games under five hundred on the road, you're talking about

1798
01:26:28,960 --> 01:26:32,559
Speaker 1: an eighty games swing that is relevant, that statistically relevant. Okay,

1799
01:26:32,560 --> 01:26:33,760
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean it's to be all end all, it's

1800
01:26:33,760 --> 01:26:34,439
Speaker 1: statistically right.

1801
01:26:34,520 --> 01:26:38,080
Speaker 2: I don't I still don't know if this is correlation

1802
01:26:38,280 --> 01:26:40,280
Speaker 2: or causation. And I think that's what it comes back

1803
01:26:40,320 --> 01:26:42,240
Speaker 2: to to me. I don't know if this is just

1804
01:26:42,320 --> 01:26:44,439
Speaker 2: because the Broncos have been pretty good for a while.

1805
01:26:44,600 --> 01:26:46,599
Speaker 1: But if they're pretty good teams win on the road too,

1806
01:26:46,920 --> 01:26:49,360
Speaker 1: good teams go like yeah they were, their record at

1807
01:26:49,400 --> 01:26:50,960
Speaker 1: home is going to be better than on the road.

1808
01:26:51,280 --> 01:26:51,519
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1809
01:26:52,040 --> 01:26:54,360
Speaker 1: Again, you're talking about like an eighty game swing from

1810
01:26:54,400 --> 01:26:58,360
Speaker 1: when when? What? Since two thousand? Okay, you want me

1811
01:26:58,400 --> 01:26:59,720
Speaker 1: to go further back and include out way?

1812
01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:02,000
Speaker 2: Oh, I just I just don't know. I don't know.

1813
01:27:02,160 --> 01:27:05,120
Speaker 2: I I give up. I give up. You all are right,

1814
01:27:05,560 --> 01:27:07,320
Speaker 2: like it's a terrible It doesn't mean they're going to

1815
01:27:07,400 --> 01:27:07,840
Speaker 2: lose the game.

1816
01:27:08,040 --> 01:27:09,439
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean they're going to lose the game. But

1817
01:27:09,520 --> 01:27:12,400
Speaker 1: it's ideally not something you have to deal with. Going

1818
01:27:12,479 --> 01:27:15,679
Speaker 1: back to nineteen eighty two fifty and one fifteen at home,

1819
01:27:16,200 --> 01:27:18,439
Speaker 1: one's sixty four one ninety eight and one on the road,

1820
01:27:19,200 --> 01:27:20,680
Speaker 1: I just gross.

1821
01:27:20,360 --> 01:27:23,120
Speaker 2: A tie again. I just don't know. I don't know

1822
01:27:23,200 --> 01:27:27,639
Speaker 2: if where, I don't know if this is actually like, oh,

1823
01:27:27,720 --> 01:27:30,680
Speaker 2: it's a true you know this home field advantage thing

1824
01:27:30,760 --> 01:27:33,520
Speaker 2: that you all are telling me is terrible for the Patriots,

1825
01:27:33,880 --> 01:27:36,519
Speaker 2: or if the Broncos have just had John Elway, they've

1826
01:27:36,560 --> 01:27:38,400
Speaker 2: had Peyton Manning, they have a good team.

1827
01:27:38,479 --> 01:27:40,439
Speaker 1: Now I haven't they won on the road at this

1828
01:27:40,880 --> 01:27:41,960
Speaker 1: close to the same clip.

1829
01:27:42,560 --> 01:27:45,880
Speaker 2: You're just looking up what Denver is on the alone, like,

1830
01:27:45,960 --> 01:27:48,080
Speaker 2: where does that rank it? Where is their road record

1831
01:27:48,200 --> 01:27:49,960
Speaker 2: ranking relative to the rest of the league.

1832
01:27:50,240 --> 01:27:52,799
Speaker 1: Okay, I'll tell you hang on their road record relative

1833
01:27:52,880 --> 01:27:53,599
Speaker 1: to the rest of the league.

1834
01:27:53,600 --> 01:27:55,479
Speaker 2: I've been wanting to nineteen eighty for like ten minutes.

1835
01:27:55,520 --> 01:27:57,840
Speaker 1: Well, no, we're having the conversation. Let's have the conversations.

1836
01:27:57,920 --> 01:28:00,720
Speaker 1: They are do you eleventh?

1837
01:28:01,160 --> 01:28:01,360
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1838
01:28:01,520 --> 01:28:04,719
Speaker 1: Exactly, so they're middle of the pack on the road,

1839
01:28:04,880 --> 01:28:07,720
Speaker 1: and then at home they are ninth. Well, no, this

1840
01:28:07,840 --> 01:28:09,960
Speaker 1: is since nineteen eighty. Last last night, I used a

1841
01:28:10,000 --> 01:28:12,120
Speaker 1: different barometer, but you wont meet include John that way.

1842
01:28:13,000 --> 01:28:15,479
Speaker 1: They are first at home since nineteen eighty. No team

1843
01:28:15,520 --> 01:28:17,479
Speaker 1: has won more games at homes since nineteen eighty than

1844
01:28:17,520 --> 01:28:20,960
Speaker 1: the Denver Broncos. I okay, and they were eleventh of

1845
01:28:21,080 --> 01:28:21,400
Speaker 1: the road.

1846
01:28:21,520 --> 01:28:23,519
Speaker 2: I give up, I surrender.

1847
01:28:23,760 --> 01:28:25,559
Speaker 1: How many teams do you think have a winning record

1848
01:28:25,640 --> 01:28:26,800
Speaker 1: on the road since nineteen eighty?

1849
01:28:26,920 --> 01:28:27,320
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1850
01:28:27,720 --> 01:28:27,920
Speaker 4: Four?

1851
01:28:28,600 --> 01:28:32,160
Speaker 1: Any guesses? No, come on, play the game, No game,

1852
01:28:32,360 --> 01:28:33,680
Speaker 1: I play the game.

1853
01:28:33,760 --> 01:28:35,840
Speaker 2: I'm not a sore loser. I just have been so

1854
01:28:36,040 --> 01:28:36,360
Speaker 2: over this.

1855
01:28:36,600 --> 01:28:38,320
Speaker 1: One of the four teams that have a winning record

1856
01:28:38,360 --> 01:28:40,800
Speaker 1: on the road since nineteen season. If you want to

1857
01:28:41,080 --> 01:28:44,519
Speaker 1: include the playoffs here, the Patriots, yeah, the Steelers, yeah,

1858
01:28:44,600 --> 01:28:45,839
Speaker 1: the Eagles, and the Niners.

1859
01:28:45,960 --> 01:28:46,320
Speaker 2: There you go.

1860
01:28:47,560 --> 01:28:50,760
Speaker 1: Okay, Patriots are three games away from having the best

1861
01:28:50,840 --> 01:28:52,479
Speaker 1: road record in the NFL since nineteen eighty.

1862
01:28:52,560 --> 01:28:55,400
Speaker 2: Since nineteen eighty, with two Hall of Fame quarterbacks, the

1863
01:28:55,439 --> 01:28:56,880
Speaker 2: Broncos have been really good at home?

1864
01:28:58,200 --> 01:29:01,439
Speaker 1: Is that that's the take the split between the home

1865
01:29:01,479 --> 01:29:02,439
Speaker 1: and road. You never gonna get it.

1866
01:29:03,080 --> 01:29:04,000
Speaker 2: No, I'm not.

1867
01:29:04,840 --> 01:29:05,080
Speaker 4: I'm not.

1868
01:29:05,280 --> 01:29:07,679
Speaker 2: No, I I told you I lay down my sword.

1869
01:29:08,120 --> 01:29:10,920
Speaker 2: It's over. You are right. I am wrong, all right.

1870
01:29:11,080 --> 01:29:12,680
Speaker 2: Denver is a tough place to play. I don't want

1871
01:29:12,680 --> 01:29:14,200
Speaker 2: to play there. There we go.

1872
01:29:15,000 --> 01:29:18,000
Speaker 1: Well, it's you would rather play other places than there?

1873
01:29:18,080 --> 01:29:20,880
Speaker 1: Is the discussion. I'd rather yes, play there than not

1874
01:29:21,080 --> 01:29:23,800
Speaker 1: be in it. But yeah, I'd rather go to Indy

1875
01:29:24,439 --> 01:29:26,280
Speaker 1: rather go I would rather go to Indy too, probably

1876
01:29:26,360 --> 01:29:30,280
Speaker 1: rather go to Baltimore. See how the Baltimore's tough? Right,

1877
01:29:30,720 --> 01:29:32,720
Speaker 1: This is the difference between me and and I think

1878
01:29:32,760 --> 01:29:35,160
Speaker 1: everybody else. I just look at the teams. I don't

1879
01:29:35,200 --> 01:29:37,320
Speaker 1: know realistically where else they could go. It's really going

1880
01:29:37,400 --> 01:29:37,640
Speaker 1: to be here.

1881
01:29:37,920 --> 01:29:39,760
Speaker 2: I just look at the teams. I look at who

1882
01:29:39,840 --> 01:29:41,639
Speaker 2: are the best teams? And I don't want to play

1883
01:29:41,680 --> 01:29:44,479
Speaker 2: the best teams. That's fair. I don't look again, Oh

1884
01:29:44,600 --> 01:29:47,280
Speaker 2: at this stadium or that home field, like Arrowhead is

1885
01:29:47,280 --> 01:29:50,360
Speaker 2: an amazing home field, but the Pages aren't going to

1886
01:29:50,400 --> 01:29:52,160
Speaker 2: go there. But right, But I'm just saying, like I

1887
01:29:52,800 --> 01:29:53,760
Speaker 2: if the Chiefs.

1888
01:29:53,479 --> 01:29:58,000
Speaker 1: Were in it's close. That stuff can matter. Case in point,

1889
01:29:58,680 --> 01:30:00,559
Speaker 1: those as much as we love to laugh at them

1890
01:30:00,600 --> 01:30:03,200
Speaker 1: blowing doors against Peyton Manning's Colts and the other two thousands,

1891
01:30:03,280 --> 01:30:06,120
Speaker 1: like talent wise, those teams were close. You know what

1892
01:30:06,240 --> 01:30:08,960
Speaker 1: made a big difference the snow, in the cold, in

1893
01:30:09,000 --> 01:30:11,240
Speaker 1: the wind. When they would come here in January, paint

1894
01:30:11,280 --> 01:30:11,800
Speaker 1: couldn't play.

1895
01:30:11,880 --> 01:30:14,160
Speaker 2: This is but this is my whole point. You're making

1896
01:30:14,240 --> 01:30:16,360
Speaker 2: my whole point. The whole point is is that the

1897
01:30:16,560 --> 01:30:19,960
Speaker 2: altitude is an element just like weather. So as a

1898
01:30:20,360 --> 01:30:22,680
Speaker 2: mentally tough football team, which I like to think that

1899
01:30:22,760 --> 01:30:25,240
Speaker 2: they are because the head coach, Mike Rabel is one

1900
01:30:25,280 --> 01:30:27,639
Speaker 2: of the most mentally guys that'll ex handle it, I'm

1901
01:30:27,680 --> 01:30:30,040
Speaker 2: with you and I should be able to overcome it.

1902
01:30:30,120 --> 01:30:31,120
Speaker 2: If you are the better team.

1903
01:30:31,200 --> 01:30:32,439
Speaker 1: I trust them to have a plan to handle it.

1904
01:30:32,479 --> 01:30:34,479
Speaker 1: It's a little different than weather because you get like

1905
01:30:34,560 --> 01:30:37,080
Speaker 1: there's an actual biological.

1906
01:30:36,600 --> 01:30:39,400
Speaker 2: Well, okay, we'll leave on Friday.

1907
01:30:39,920 --> 01:30:41,639
Speaker 1: No, I trust it. They've had a plan for everything

1908
01:30:41,680 --> 01:30:43,000
Speaker 1: so far. Trust and have a plan for it. But

1909
01:30:43,080 --> 01:30:44,000
Speaker 1: some of you have to have a plan for.

1910
01:30:44,240 --> 01:30:48,280
Speaker 2: Okay, So here's an you know, I wanted to talk

1911
01:30:48,320 --> 01:30:51,120
Speaker 2: about this and sort of this kind of got me

1912
01:30:51,320 --> 01:30:55,760
Speaker 2: thinking about it. Two things that stood out to me

1913
01:30:55,840 --> 01:30:58,719
Speaker 2: from like those Thanksgiving games and some of the games

1914
01:30:58,760 --> 01:31:03,040
Speaker 2: that I've been able to watch this weekend. I wanted

1915
01:31:03,040 --> 01:31:05,160
Speaker 2: to talk a little bit about the Detroit Lions because

1916
01:31:05,720 --> 01:31:07,439
Speaker 2: with the Patriots on a buy and so we can

1917
01:31:07,479 --> 01:31:08,880
Speaker 2: talk a little bit about the rest of the league.

1918
01:31:09,400 --> 01:31:15,360
Speaker 2: The Detroit Lions right now are this is our thing.

1919
01:31:15,479 --> 01:31:17,120
Speaker 2: This is why I want to talk about it. The

1920
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Speaker 2: Lions are going for it on fourth down at the

1921
01:31:21,280 --> 01:31:24,200
Speaker 2: same rate as they always have gone for it on

1922
01:31:24,320 --> 01:31:29,799
Speaker 2: fourth down. However, their fourth down conversion rate is dropping

1923
01:31:29,840 --> 01:31:34,280
Speaker 2: off a cliff. So this goes back to the whole like,

1924
01:31:35,080 --> 01:31:38,120
Speaker 2: you know, your whole thing is like they should adjust, right,

1925
01:31:38,240 --> 01:31:42,320
Speaker 2: like they should stop doing it. So on Thanksgiving against

1926
01:31:42,400 --> 01:31:45,839
Speaker 2: the Packers, they lost it to the Packers. The Lions

1927
01:31:45,880 --> 01:31:48,200
Speaker 2: went for it twice on fourth down in that game,

1928
01:31:48,640 --> 01:31:51,040
Speaker 2: and they're zero for two on fourth down over the

1929
01:31:51,120 --> 01:31:53,519
Speaker 2: last month of the season. The Lions are only converting

1930
01:31:53,600 --> 01:31:56,519
Speaker 2: like twenty five percent of their fourth downs, yet they're

1931
01:31:56,600 --> 01:31:58,559
Speaker 2: still going for it when the mass says go, they

1932
01:31:58,640 --> 01:32:02,360
Speaker 2: go yep. And the Patriots are also a team that

1933
01:32:02,640 --> 01:32:05,960
Speaker 2: has been following the analytics a lot in these types

1934
01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:09,840
Speaker 2: of decisions, but just looking at like their fourth down efficiency.

1935
01:32:10,160 --> 01:32:13,000
Speaker 2: You know, they're one of the best fourth down teams

1936
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Speaker 2: in the NFL. The Patriots right now are second in

1937
01:32:16,479 --> 01:32:20,120
Speaker 2: the league and fourth down conversion rate at seventy seven

1938
01:32:20,160 --> 01:32:22,800
Speaker 2: point eight percent pretty good. The Chiefs are number one

1939
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Speaker 2: at eighty. So the Patriots are second in the league.

1940
01:32:25,400 --> 01:32:29,120
Speaker 2: The Detroit Lions right now are eighteenth at fifty two percent.

1941
01:32:29,720 --> 01:32:34,080
Speaker 2: The Lions last year with Ben Johnson were fourth in

1942
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Speaker 2: the league. So, you know, this all kind of goes

1943
01:32:36,680 --> 01:32:38,400
Speaker 2: back to all things we've all We've talked about a

1944
01:32:38,479 --> 01:32:42,479
Speaker 2: million times. But Ben Johnson's doing great in Chicago. This

1945
01:32:42,640 --> 01:32:46,640
Speaker 2: Detroit team is not winning in those margins like they

1946
01:32:46,760 --> 01:32:50,320
Speaker 2: used to win when they had Ben Johnson as their coordinator.

1947
01:32:51,080 --> 01:32:52,680
Speaker 2: Your thoughts on this, because I feel like this is

1948
01:32:52,760 --> 01:32:55,479
Speaker 2: right in our wheelhouse, so that it.

1949
01:32:55,560 --> 01:32:57,320
Speaker 1: Goes back to something else I always say about this.

1950
01:32:58,479 --> 01:33:03,280
Speaker 1: The decision to go or not go is only as

1951
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Speaker 1: good as the how you feel about your play calls,

1952
01:33:05,840 --> 01:33:07,519
Speaker 1: only as good as the play you call. Yeah, right,

1953
01:33:08,280 --> 01:33:12,280
Speaker 1: if you are confident in the place you have, I'm

1954
01:33:12,320 --> 01:33:14,559
Speaker 1: find being a little more aggressive going for it. If

1955
01:33:14,600 --> 01:33:16,600
Speaker 1: you're to go back to the Bengals game, here's a

1956
01:33:16,640 --> 01:33:20,840
Speaker 1: great example that the second time they got stopped on

1957
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Speaker 1: the goal line, they kicked the field goal on fourth down.

1958
01:33:23,240 --> 01:33:25,519
Speaker 1: I think the math said go there, right, if I

1959
01:33:25,600 --> 01:33:30,559
Speaker 1: remember correctly, the Patriots the patrio, Yes, yeah, but okay,

1960
01:33:30,640 --> 01:33:32,880
Speaker 1: you can make it a six point game. You've been

1961
01:33:33,080 --> 01:33:35,479
Speaker 1: struggling in this spot. You've now had like eight snaps.

1962
01:33:35,520 --> 01:33:37,200
Speaker 1: I think it's actually like closer to ten snaps at

1963
01:33:37,200 --> 01:33:39,040
Speaker 1: that point on the goal line. That's not working. The

1964
01:33:39,120 --> 01:33:41,840
Speaker 1: play calls aren't working. You have to factor that in.

1965
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Speaker 1: And they kicked, and I like that they kicked that

1966
01:33:43,400 --> 01:33:45,200
Speaker 1: field goal, and kicking that field goal ended up making

1967
01:33:45,200 --> 01:33:49,000
Speaker 1: a big difference in that game. So to give give

1968
01:33:49,040 --> 01:33:52,880
Speaker 1: you your argument some credit here, it's almost like the

1969
01:33:53,000 --> 01:33:55,599
Speaker 1: quality of the play calls has dropped off since Ben

1970
01:33:55,680 --> 01:33:56,360
Speaker 1: Johnson left.

1971
01:33:56,640 --> 01:33:58,040
Speaker 2: That was exactly what I want.

1972
01:33:58,240 --> 01:34:01,640
Speaker 1: They haven't adjusted to it. So I stand by the

1973
01:34:01,720 --> 01:34:04,000
Speaker 1: decision to go is only as good as the play

1974
01:34:04,040 --> 01:34:06,760
Speaker 1: you called. There was one, oh, one of the Thanksgiving games,

1975
01:34:07,240 --> 01:34:10,280
Speaker 1: there's like a fourth down, it's like fourth and one.

1976
01:34:10,400 --> 01:34:12,800
Speaker 1: It was a long one and they lined up in

1977
01:34:12,880 --> 01:34:14,880
Speaker 1: shotgun and it was like they're not just gonna hand

1978
01:34:14,920 --> 01:34:17,559
Speaker 1: this hand this thing off up the middle because they've

1979
01:34:17,560 --> 01:34:19,280
Speaker 1: done it the play before, and they did it, and

1980
01:34:19,320 --> 01:34:21,439
Speaker 1: you're like, why even go if that's your play call.

1981
01:34:21,520 --> 01:34:23,680
Speaker 1: They just stopped that exact same play. You haven't had

1982
01:34:23,720 --> 01:34:26,360
Speaker 1: that push all night. And I think realistically, and I

1983
01:34:26,439 --> 01:34:28,720
Speaker 1: don't remember the exact moment of this, but like, realistically,

1984
01:34:29,160 --> 01:34:30,760
Speaker 1: in the flow of that game, it made sense to

1985
01:34:30,800 --> 01:34:33,519
Speaker 1: go there. But if that's what you're gonna call, man,

1986
01:34:33,600 --> 01:34:35,400
Speaker 1: just punt the ball. We just punt it. And I

1987
01:34:35,479 --> 01:34:38,040
Speaker 1: think the Lions maybe and Dan Campbell have to have

1988
01:34:38,200 --> 01:34:41,200
Speaker 1: kind of a moment of realization that we're not putting

1989
01:34:41,280 --> 01:34:43,519
Speaker 1: Pinay Seul in motion and having him flip the ball

1990
01:34:43,600 --> 01:34:46,439
Speaker 1: to the third string tight end anymore. Like the stuff

1991
01:34:46,479 --> 01:34:49,599
Speaker 1: we're calling isn't working. We can't be as aggressive because

1992
01:34:49,600 --> 01:34:51,400
Speaker 1: we don't have the ability to be as effective when

1993
01:34:51,400 --> 01:34:52,160
Speaker 1: we make these calls.

1994
01:34:52,479 --> 01:34:54,800
Speaker 2: So I'm in agree with you because this supports my

1995
01:34:54,880 --> 01:34:56,360
Speaker 2: Ben Johnson's good argument.

1996
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Speaker 1: So you never said that Ben Johnson wasn't a good

1997
01:34:58,600 --> 01:34:58,920
Speaker 1: play call.

1998
01:34:59,280 --> 01:35:01,320
Speaker 2: I never said that, even though it doesn't. No, I'm

1999
01:35:01,320 --> 01:35:03,040
Speaker 2: not saying that you said that. I was saying, you know,

2000
01:35:03,160 --> 01:35:06,400
Speaker 2: anything that's pro Ben Johnson is good with me. I

2001
01:35:06,640 --> 01:35:09,639
Speaker 2: would also just add, you know, with the Lions. One

2002
01:35:09,680 --> 01:35:13,200
Speaker 2: of the sneaky weird things that's happened in the league

2003
01:35:13,240 --> 01:35:17,200
Speaker 2: this year is Dan Campbell calling plays for the Lions offense.

2004
01:35:17,400 --> 01:35:20,040
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that Dan Campbell is like incapable

2005
01:35:20,320 --> 01:35:23,120
Speaker 2: of calling plays, Like I'm sure Dan Campbell knows a

2006
01:35:23,200 --> 01:35:25,479
Speaker 2: ton of football, and I'm sure his ex's knows mine

2007
01:35:25,840 --> 01:35:29,160
Speaker 2: is pretty good. But I watched, you know that game

2008
01:35:29,280 --> 01:35:31,120
Speaker 2: was it was against the Eagles a couple of weeks ago,

2009
01:35:32,000 --> 01:35:36,360
Speaker 2: and you have Dan Campbell trying to out smart, out

2010
01:35:36,439 --> 01:35:39,439
Speaker 2: wit Vic Fangio, and that could not have been a

2011
01:35:39,560 --> 01:35:43,360
Speaker 2: bigger mismatch, right, Like you have maybe the best defensive

2012
01:35:43,400 --> 01:35:46,439
Speaker 2: play caller in football against the guy that really shouldn't

2013
01:35:46,439 --> 01:35:49,479
Speaker 2: be calling plays and the Lions. And this was exactly

2014
01:35:49,520 --> 01:35:51,200
Speaker 2: what I was worried about with the Lions. So I'm

2015
01:35:51,240 --> 01:35:55,200
Speaker 2: kind of a three lapping here a little bit. The Lions,

2016
01:35:55,920 --> 01:35:59,920
Speaker 2: you know, have not replaced Ben Johnson, and now Dan

2017
01:36:00,200 --> 01:36:03,679
Speaker 2: Campbell is being thrust into a play calling role that's

2018
01:36:03,800 --> 01:36:06,320
Speaker 2: not a role he should have. Dan Campbell's a raw,

2019
01:36:06,439 --> 01:36:09,240
Speaker 2: raw guy. Dan Campbell's a leader. Dan Campbell's you know,

2020
01:36:09,680 --> 01:36:13,040
Speaker 2: biting knee caps like that's Dan Campbell him trying to

2021
01:36:13,080 --> 01:36:15,240
Speaker 2: get into the play sheet, and all that stuff is

2022
01:36:15,360 --> 01:36:19,839
Speaker 2: not is not it? And so he's not going anywhere obviously,

2023
01:36:19,920 --> 01:36:23,360
Speaker 2: and shouldn't. Their GM isn't going anywhere obviously he shouldn't.

2024
01:36:23,800 --> 01:36:25,880
Speaker 2: But they're going to hire an offensive coordinator at the

2025
01:36:25,960 --> 01:36:27,240
Speaker 2: end of the year, like they're going to hire a

2026
01:36:27,240 --> 01:36:30,280
Speaker 2: real offensive coordinator for twenty twenty six, no doubt about it.

2027
01:36:30,640 --> 01:36:32,400
Speaker 2: The other sort of thing, in terms of the math

2028
01:36:32,479 --> 01:36:37,519
Speaker 2: and all that stuff that's kicking around, I would say

2029
01:36:37,600 --> 01:36:42,160
Speaker 2: this is the one spot where I deviate from the nerds.

2030
01:36:42,400 --> 01:36:44,800
Speaker 2: I do not agree with the nerds on this. The

2031
01:36:45,960 --> 01:36:48,320
Speaker 2: going for two down nine points at the end of

2032
01:36:48,360 --> 01:36:48,599
Speaker 2: the game.

2033
01:36:48,640 --> 01:36:51,479
Speaker 1: See interesting. I actually don't hate that one. I disagree

2034
01:36:51,520 --> 01:36:54,560
Speaker 1: with it depends how much time's left. I disagree with it.

2035
01:36:55,040 --> 01:36:56,839
Speaker 1: And the main reason why.

2036
01:36:57,520 --> 01:36:59,840
Speaker 2: That I get the argument that you want to know

2037
01:37:00,080 --> 01:37:03,519
Speaker 2: what you need, and I like I when I say

2038
01:37:03,600 --> 01:37:06,760
Speaker 2: I get it, like I'm not dumb, I understand what

2039
01:37:06,840 --> 01:37:09,519
Speaker 2: you're trying to tell me. I'm just not buying what

2040
01:37:09,600 --> 01:37:13,760
Speaker 2: you're selling. So I still feel like making it an

2041
01:37:13,800 --> 01:37:17,160
Speaker 2: eight point game and then all you need defensively is

2042
01:37:17,320 --> 01:37:19,920
Speaker 2: one stop and then you go down, you score, you

2043
01:37:19,960 --> 01:37:22,320
Speaker 2: get the two point conversion you go into overtime. I

2044
01:37:22,439 --> 01:37:24,760
Speaker 2: still feel like that is the better strategy at the

2045
01:37:24,840 --> 01:37:27,040
Speaker 2: end of the game than trying to get it. And

2046
01:37:27,160 --> 01:37:29,679
Speaker 2: then most of the time it feels like teams fail

2047
01:37:29,880 --> 01:37:31,640
Speaker 2: and then they just go down nine points and then

2048
01:37:31,680 --> 01:37:33,920
Speaker 2: it's game over. Like the game's over because then you

2049
01:37:34,040 --> 01:37:39,519
Speaker 2: have to stop touchdown on side kick recovery, like you

2050
01:37:39,600 --> 01:37:41,080
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like there's just too many things

2051
01:37:41,120 --> 01:37:43,360
Speaker 2: that have to happen, but this is These are the

2052
01:37:43,439 --> 01:37:46,800
Speaker 2: two things right now that are really kind of taking

2053
01:37:46,880 --> 01:37:51,200
Speaker 2: over nerd analytics world. In football, doesn't make sense to

2054
01:37:51,240 --> 01:37:54,599
Speaker 2: go for two down nine and fourth down and how

2055
01:37:54,680 --> 01:37:57,160
Speaker 2: you treat fourth down? How do you feel about the

2056
01:37:58,320 --> 01:37:59,240
Speaker 2: going for two down nine?

2057
01:37:59,880 --> 01:38:02,840
Speaker 1: I think it has to do with how much times

2058
01:38:02,920 --> 01:38:06,040
Speaker 1: left on the clock, because agreed, I do think there's

2059
01:38:06,080 --> 01:38:08,240
Speaker 1: an element and I hear it. I get it. Well,

2060
01:38:08,280 --> 01:38:10,519
Speaker 1: you know what you need, you can manage the game.

2061
01:38:10,640 --> 01:38:12,960
Speaker 1: Do you need one possession? Do you need two possessions?

2062
01:38:13,400 --> 01:38:17,439
Speaker 1: The part of that conversation I've never heard anybody have is, well,

2063
01:38:17,479 --> 01:38:20,080
Speaker 1: now the defense also knows what you need, and they

2064
01:38:20,160 --> 01:38:22,160
Speaker 1: can call the game differently and they can maybe be

2065
01:38:22,200 --> 01:38:25,080
Speaker 1: a little more aggressive or conservative whatever the situation may be.

2066
01:38:25,720 --> 01:38:27,720
Speaker 1: And also again the play you called, do you feel

2067
01:38:27,720 --> 01:38:29,320
Speaker 1: good about your two point game? Do you feel like

2068
01:38:29,320 --> 01:38:30,720
Speaker 1: you're gonna have a good chance to get at things

2069
01:38:30,800 --> 01:38:35,519
Speaker 1: like that? I think there's more room for interpretation. If

2070
01:38:37,080 --> 01:38:39,320
Speaker 1: let's say there's like eight minutes left in the game

2071
01:38:40,200 --> 01:38:43,360
Speaker 1: right early fourth quarter, I don't hate it as much

2072
01:38:43,400 --> 01:38:46,040
Speaker 1: because you're probably gonna have time for that extra drive anyway,

2073
01:38:46,080 --> 01:38:48,040
Speaker 1: one way or the other. And okay, so you want

2074
01:38:48,080 --> 01:38:49,479
Speaker 1: to know if you need one or two. I think

2075
01:38:49,520 --> 01:38:53,400
Speaker 1: there's maybe more information there. If there's like four minutes

2076
01:38:53,479 --> 01:38:55,920
Speaker 1: left in the game, three to four minutes left and

2077
01:38:56,040 --> 01:38:58,040
Speaker 1: you need to stop, you're only gonna get one more drive.

2078
01:38:58,920 --> 01:39:01,720
Speaker 1: Make sure that drive is for the game. That's kind

2079
01:39:01,720 --> 01:39:03,519
Speaker 1: of where I'm at on it, like where in the

2080
01:39:03,600 --> 01:39:05,320
Speaker 1: game are we? And then also again it comes down

2081
01:39:05,320 --> 01:39:06,280
Speaker 1: to how good you are two points.

2082
01:39:06,360 --> 01:39:08,240
Speaker 2: I just think that what was the team that did

2083
01:39:08,280 --> 01:39:11,960
Speaker 2: it this last time? I'm biking this last time. To

2084
01:39:12,040 --> 01:39:13,920
Speaker 2: your point, there was not enough time in the game

2085
01:39:14,200 --> 01:39:16,280
Speaker 2: right to get multiple possessions I think it was a

2086
01:39:16,360 --> 01:39:19,880
Speaker 2: philly to get multiple possessions back. There wasn't enough time

2087
01:39:19,880 --> 01:39:20,360
Speaker 2: in the game.

2088
01:39:20,439 --> 01:39:22,000
Speaker 1: You know what you need, Okay, But if you don't

2089
01:39:22,040 --> 01:39:23,280
Speaker 1: get it, now, the game's over.

2090
01:39:24,200 --> 01:39:27,080
Speaker 2: It So as soon as they've went don't matter. As

2091
01:39:27,120 --> 01:39:29,040
Speaker 2: soon as they failed the two point converted, the game

2092
01:39:29,120 --> 01:39:29,920
Speaker 2: was over. You know what you need?

2093
01:39:29,960 --> 01:39:31,720
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, now you know you're gonna lose. Yeah, so

2094
01:39:32,520 --> 01:39:36,240
Speaker 1: you know again early fourth quarter, you can talk me

2095
01:39:36,320 --> 01:39:38,280
Speaker 1: into it. I think there's maybe some validity to that.

2096
01:39:39,320 --> 01:39:40,559
Speaker 1: Don't like dilute yourselves.

2097
01:39:40,600 --> 01:39:44,000
Speaker 2: You're thinking you could still get two possessions the traditional way,

2098
01:39:44,320 --> 01:39:46,800
Speaker 2: right with this and that or whatever.

2099
01:39:46,800 --> 01:39:48,160
Speaker 1: It's like, all right, we're probably gonna have the ball

2100
01:39:48,200 --> 01:39:51,000
Speaker 1: two more times, so because then maybe you know, okay,

2101
01:39:51,040 --> 01:39:53,439
Speaker 1: well we're gonna get the ball back down seven. We

2102
01:39:53,560 --> 01:39:55,320
Speaker 1: want to be a little more conservative on this drive.

2103
01:39:55,360 --> 01:39:56,760
Speaker 1: We want to run some clock. We don't want to

2104
01:39:56,760 --> 01:39:59,120
Speaker 1: give them too much time versus like, if you know

2105
01:39:59,160 --> 01:40:00,880
Speaker 1: you're gonna need to be in scramble mode one way

2106
01:40:00,960 --> 01:40:03,080
Speaker 1: or the other, make it a one score game.

2107
01:40:03,280 --> 01:40:05,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So a couple of things. Then we'll take

2108
01:40:05,479 --> 01:40:09,240
Speaker 2: your calls to wrap up the show. Just thoughts on

2109
01:40:09,280 --> 01:40:11,479
Speaker 2: the week fourteen Slate Patriots are on a buy. What

2110
01:40:11,560 --> 01:40:13,040
Speaker 2: are you going to do? Slate? What are you going

2111
01:40:13,080 --> 01:40:16,360
Speaker 2: to be watching? I don't believe that the Patriots can

2112
01:40:16,439 --> 01:40:19,439
Speaker 2: clinch this week. I don't think, which, by the way,

2113
01:40:19,600 --> 01:40:22,559
Speaker 2: is not quite so freaking weird, not quite there. They

2114
01:40:22,600 --> 01:40:25,400
Speaker 2: can have eleven wins and not clinch the playoffs. Ryan Garvin,

2115
01:40:25,439 --> 01:40:27,560
Speaker 2: who's my producer on Sunday Kickoff, look this up. You

2116
01:40:27,600 --> 01:40:30,439
Speaker 2: found one of the websites that describes it. Yeah, they

2117
01:40:30,720 --> 01:40:32,120
Speaker 2: or that lays out the scenarios.

2118
01:40:32,120 --> 01:40:35,240
Speaker 1: They described as a horrific set of tie breakers that

2119
01:40:35,320 --> 01:40:37,519
Speaker 1: would occur if the Patriots were to lose out that

2120
01:40:37,600 --> 01:40:40,120
Speaker 1: would not let them in the playoffs. So yeah, so

2121
01:40:40,720 --> 01:40:43,360
Speaker 1: it's obviously one more winning they're in. But the Patriots

2122
01:40:43,439 --> 01:40:47,760
Speaker 1: could at worst finish at eleven and six. And right

2123
01:40:47,840 --> 01:40:50,200
Speaker 1: now the Bills are the seven seed at eight and four,

2124
01:40:50,320 --> 01:40:53,960
Speaker 1: so they're only the only the teams in the playoffs.

2125
01:40:54,479 --> 01:40:57,080
Speaker 1: The worst case scenario for Houston would be six losses

2126
01:40:57,160 --> 01:40:59,400
Speaker 1: and so they could still tend There's so many tie

2127
01:40:59,439 --> 01:41:01,599
Speaker 1: breakers that they don't have for whatever reason.

2128
01:41:01,680 --> 01:41:03,200
Speaker 2: And yeah, it's because of their schedule.

2129
01:41:02,920 --> 01:41:06,960
Speaker 1: Because of their schedule, and yeah, the fact that it's

2130
01:41:07,000 --> 01:41:08,880
Speaker 1: with seven teams too. But anyway, what'll I be watching?

2131
01:41:08,920 --> 01:41:12,880
Speaker 1: You definitely need two TVs for this one. I actually

2132
01:41:12,920 --> 01:41:15,000
Speaker 1: think the best game is probably Bills Bengals.

2133
01:41:15,040 --> 01:41:16,200
Speaker 2: I can't believe. It inflects that.

2134
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Speaker 1: I am a little surprised. It inflects that that's the

2135
01:41:18,840 --> 01:41:20,759
Speaker 1: best game. You were right about this, Like the Bengals

2136
01:41:20,800 --> 01:41:22,719
Speaker 1: are not out of it, No, I tell they're larking.

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01:41:23,000 --> 01:41:23,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:41:23,320 --> 01:41:25,519
Speaker 1: Well, and then you have so in conjunction with that,

2139
01:41:26,520 --> 01:41:29,640
Speaker 1: you have Steelers Ravens. Yeah, so the Bengals can get

2140
01:41:29,680 --> 01:41:32,719
Speaker 1: to five wins, the division leader is going to have seven,

2141
01:41:33,560 --> 01:41:35,720
Speaker 1: and the Bengals still have the Ravens once more. And

2142
01:41:35,880 --> 01:41:37,759
Speaker 1: oh no, they're done with the Steelers, but they split

2143
01:41:37,840 --> 01:41:43,559
Speaker 1: with the Steelers. So yeah, like it's still open. I think, oddly,

2144
01:41:43,600 --> 01:41:45,400
Speaker 1: if you're a Bengals fan, you're rooting for a tie

2145
01:41:45,479 --> 01:41:48,000
Speaker 1: in Steelers Ravens. If I have that correctly in my head.

2146
01:41:48,000 --> 01:41:50,439
Speaker 2: The Bengals are playing better than the Bills right now. Yes,

2147
01:41:50,560 --> 01:41:52,040
Speaker 2: I'm pretty convident in saying.

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01:41:51,840 --> 01:41:54,760
Speaker 1: That I would agree with you. And then you have

2149
01:41:54,840 --> 01:41:58,160
Speaker 1: Colts Jaguars, which is for the AFC South, and you

2150
01:41:58,240 --> 01:42:01,639
Speaker 1: know you're looking at potential for first round playoff opponents

2151
01:42:01,720 --> 01:42:04,680
Speaker 1: or first playoff game if the Patriots get divided divisional round? Right,

2152
01:42:05,960 --> 01:42:08,680
Speaker 1: are the Colts going to Indy? Are the Jags. Are

2153
01:42:08,720 --> 01:42:11,240
Speaker 1: the Colts going to Jacksonville or the Jags going to Indy?

2154
01:42:11,640 --> 01:42:13,960
Speaker 1: Does that loss open up? And then I'll to get

2155
01:42:14,000 --> 01:42:15,360
Speaker 1: to the game of the week. I'll jump ahead here

2156
01:42:15,360 --> 01:42:16,760
Speaker 1: a little on the schedule. I didn't want to skip

2157
01:42:16,800 --> 01:42:19,360
Speaker 1: the four o'clock window, but the game of the week,

2158
01:42:19,520 --> 01:42:20,800
Speaker 1: so that was the game of the one o'clock window.

2159
01:42:20,800 --> 01:42:21,720
Speaker 1: I think I said it's the game of the week.

2160
01:42:21,760 --> 01:42:25,639
Speaker 1: Game of the one o'clock window. Texans Chiefs Sunday Night football,

2161
01:42:25,680 --> 01:42:28,639
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, all that's gonna be awesome. But Holmes against

2162
01:42:28,680 --> 01:42:31,840
Speaker 1: that defense, Texans heading in one direction, Chiefs heading in

2163
01:42:31,880 --> 01:42:34,680
Speaker 1: the other. Will know what happened with that Colts Jaguars game.

2164
01:42:34,720 --> 01:42:36,360
Speaker 1: The Texans might have a chance to jump back into

2165
01:42:36,400 --> 01:42:38,680
Speaker 1: the division lead. I know they won't. Sorry, one of

2166
01:42:38,680 --> 01:42:41,479
Speaker 1: those teams of nine wins, but like that Texans team

2167
01:42:41,560 --> 01:42:46,600
Speaker 1: is right there. That game freaking rules. All four of

2168
01:42:46,680 --> 01:42:47,280
Speaker 1: those games.

2169
01:42:47,439 --> 01:42:51,759
Speaker 2: Bill's Bengals, Chiefs, Texans, Colts, Jaggs, Steelers, Ravens are gonna

2170
01:42:51,760 --> 01:42:53,640
Speaker 2: be good games. The Broncos playing the Raiders well.

2171
01:42:53,760 --> 01:42:55,400
Speaker 1: And then in the NFC, so I was gonna get

2172
01:42:55,400 --> 01:42:58,639
Speaker 1: to that. In the NFC, Bears Backers, the Broncos play

2173
01:42:59,760 --> 01:43:03,160
Speaker 1: you care about your boy, Ben Johnson, I carry a game.

2174
01:43:03,120 --> 01:43:05,600
Speaker 2: Like watching it in terms of that, Yeah, I thought that, like,

2175
01:43:05,600 --> 01:43:08,519
Speaker 2: what are the best games to watch now? Broncos Raiders,

2176
01:43:08,840 --> 01:43:12,960
Speaker 2: Tom Brady now the Raiders. It was one of the

2177
01:43:13,200 --> 01:43:15,599
Speaker 2: It was a Thursday night game. Yeah, it was super ugly.

2178
01:43:16,120 --> 01:43:17,800
Speaker 2: It was ten to seven, like it was.

2179
01:43:18,120 --> 01:43:19,840
Speaker 1: It was bo Nicks in Hell in that game.

2180
01:43:19,920 --> 01:43:23,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, it wasn't totally a non game. And you know,

2181
01:43:25,160 --> 01:43:28,320
Speaker 2: this happens like that. Teams you play spoiler at the

2182
01:43:28,400 --> 01:43:30,000
Speaker 2: end of the year. You know, the Miami Dolphins in

2183
01:43:30,000 --> 01:43:34,120
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen beat the Patriots in Week seventeen to knock

2184
01:43:34,200 --> 01:43:37,080
Speaker 2: them out of a bye. You know, it happens. I'm

2185
01:43:37,120 --> 01:43:39,920
Speaker 2: not saying it's going to but it has happened. Yeah,

2186
01:43:40,400 --> 01:43:42,720
Speaker 2: So Broncos play the Raiders is probably going to be

2187
01:43:42,760 --> 01:43:45,360
Speaker 2: a win for the Broncos. But I'm really looking forward

2188
01:43:45,360 --> 01:43:48,519
Speaker 2: to Bill's Bengals because the Bengals, I think their defense

2189
01:43:48,600 --> 01:43:50,840
Speaker 2: is starting to kind of trend in a good direction.

2190
01:43:51,000 --> 01:43:53,679
Speaker 2: I know that five turnovers kind of masked some things

2191
01:43:53,760 --> 01:43:57,320
Speaker 2: in that Baltimore game, but they played better against the Patriots.

2192
01:43:57,560 --> 01:44:02,720
Speaker 2: They caused five turnovers since the Ravens and now Burrow's.

2193
01:44:02,400 --> 01:44:05,920
Speaker 1: Back the potential. We'll see what happens against Josh Allen.

2194
01:44:06,080 --> 01:44:08,400
Speaker 1: And Josh Allen's been He's been turning the ball over

2195
01:44:08,400 --> 01:44:10,000
Speaker 1: a lot, but outside of that, he's been playing well.

2196
01:44:10,040 --> 01:44:12,800
Speaker 1: He's kind of gone back to like covid Josh Allen. Yeah,

2197
01:44:13,800 --> 01:44:17,040
Speaker 1: if they keep Josh Allen relatively in check. Yeah, the

2198
01:44:17,680 --> 01:44:22,440
Speaker 1: splits that will have Bengals defense first eleven.

2199
01:44:22,080 --> 01:44:24,360
Speaker 2: Weeks of the season. Is that game in Cincinnati.

2200
01:44:24,760 --> 01:44:25,439
Speaker 1: No, it's in Buffalo.

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Speaker 2: Okay. So the one other split that's really going trending

2202
01:44:28,080 --> 01:44:29,639
Speaker 2: with the Bills is their home road split.

2203
01:44:29,760 --> 01:44:30,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, they've been very good.

2204
01:44:31,080 --> 01:44:33,519
Speaker 2: They're they've been and they've been bad. On the road.

2205
01:44:33,600 --> 01:44:36,519
Speaker 2: They have like almost it's almost like a I think

2206
01:44:36,560 --> 01:44:37,439
Speaker 2: it's a full touchdown.

2207
01:44:37,439 --> 01:44:39,639
Speaker 1: Would you say it's a broncos que home road split.

2208
01:44:39,840 --> 01:44:43,160
Speaker 2: Yes, it's almost a full touchdown In terms of points

2209
01:44:43,200 --> 01:44:45,640
Speaker 2: scored at home versus on the road. They're averaging like

2210
01:44:45,720 --> 01:44:47,680
Speaker 2: thirty three a game at home in like twenty five

2211
01:44:47,800 --> 01:44:48,760
Speaker 2: or twenty six on the road.

2212
01:44:48,840 --> 01:44:51,240
Speaker 1: I'll just say this, if they hold Josh Allen, check

2213
01:44:51,880 --> 01:44:53,760
Speaker 1: the splits on. Okay, here's what they did the first

2214
01:44:53,800 --> 01:44:56,960
Speaker 1: eleven weeks and then you're gonna have potentially three MVPs

2215
01:44:57,000 --> 01:44:59,720
Speaker 1: in a row Lamar Allen in May, and what they

2216
01:44:59,760 --> 01:45:02,000
Speaker 1: did against those three guys would be very funny. I'm rooting,

2217
01:45:02,280 --> 01:45:04,400
Speaker 1: not just like rooting against Josh Allen, rooting for it.

2218
01:45:04,520 --> 01:45:08,240
Speaker 1: I like weird stuff. The Bengals defense being historically terrible,

2219
01:45:08,520 --> 01:45:10,639
Speaker 1: then playing three MVPs in a row and being good

2220
01:45:10,680 --> 01:45:12,040
Speaker 1: against them would just be awesome.

2221
01:45:12,200 --> 01:45:14,280
Speaker 2: So this game is in Buffalo, so this is irrelevant,

2222
01:45:14,360 --> 01:45:17,000
Speaker 2: but just for the Patriots in week fifteen. The Bills

2223
01:45:17,080 --> 01:45:19,559
Speaker 2: right now are scoring thirty two and a half points

2224
01:45:19,680 --> 01:45:23,080
Speaker 2: at home. They are scoring twenty three point seven, almost

2225
01:45:23,240 --> 01:45:26,559
Speaker 2: ten point difference at home versus road, so that's an

2226
01:45:26,600 --> 01:45:28,080
Speaker 2: interesting home road.

2227
01:45:28,240 --> 01:45:31,720
Speaker 1: So their home games are Baltimore, Miami, New Orleans, the Patriots,

2228
01:45:32,240 --> 01:45:36,400
Speaker 1: the Chiefs, the Bucks, and then their road games are

2229
01:45:36,439 --> 01:45:41,920
Speaker 1: the Jets. They play some weak road games Jets, Falcons, Panthers, Dolphins, Texans, Steelers.

2230
01:45:41,600 --> 01:45:43,320
Speaker 2: And they lost the Dolphins and the Falcons on the

2231
01:45:43,400 --> 01:45:44,960
Speaker 2: Bolls on the road and Texans.

2232
01:45:45,000 --> 01:45:47,240
Speaker 1: That's true. So they only have two road games left,

2233
01:45:47,400 --> 01:45:51,679
Speaker 1: Patriots and Browns. The really quickly on the Bills. Yeah,

2234
01:45:51,800 --> 01:45:54,080
Speaker 1: because I've watched a little bit of their tape this week. Yeah,

2235
01:45:55,360 --> 01:45:58,560
Speaker 1: their offense, and to their credit, they did it on

2236
01:45:58,760 --> 01:46:00,840
Speaker 1: Sunday against the Steelers and they ran for two undred

2237
01:46:00,840 --> 01:46:01,400
Speaker 1: fifty yards.

2238
01:46:02,680 --> 01:46:04,920
Speaker 2: I can call out the plates that they're running. They

2239
01:46:05,000 --> 01:46:08,120
Speaker 2: run like five plays. It's really kind of bizarre, and

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of it has to do with

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01:46:09,800 --> 01:46:12,400
Speaker 2: the fact that they're their receivers. It's been such a

2242
01:46:12,520 --> 01:46:16,000
Speaker 2: revolving door that they just right, they just haven't been

2243
01:46:16,000 --> 01:46:16,599
Speaker 2: able to build.

2244
01:46:16,720 --> 01:46:18,040
Speaker 1: That's not fair. I do like Brandon Cooks.

2245
01:46:18,040 --> 01:46:19,880
Speaker 2: They haven't been able to build though, because the guys

2246
01:46:19,920 --> 01:46:22,040
Speaker 2: haven't been in the building, so they haven't been able

2247
01:46:22,040 --> 01:46:23,640
Speaker 2: to You know, Gave Davis is playing now and he

2248
01:46:23,760 --> 01:46:27,519
Speaker 2: wasn't there to start the year. Uh, Brandon Cooks is there. Yeah,

2249
01:46:27,640 --> 01:46:30,040
Speaker 2: So like they haven't had that time. Whereas like a

2250
01:46:30,080 --> 01:46:32,760
Speaker 2: team like the Patriots has been going since training camp,

2251
01:46:33,040 --> 01:46:35,360
Speaker 2: they can build over the course of the season and

2252
01:46:35,520 --> 01:46:38,000
Speaker 2: add more into the playbook over the course of the season.

2253
01:46:38,479 --> 01:46:41,280
Speaker 2: The Bills have not had that luxury. If it's third

2254
01:46:41,320 --> 01:46:43,800
Speaker 2: and medium, they're running mesh. I'm telling you right now,

2255
01:46:44,040 --> 01:46:46,800
Speaker 2: they're running mesh. It might be different kinds of mesh, right,

2256
01:46:46,960 --> 01:46:50,120
Speaker 2: there's different variations, but they're running some variation of MESH.

2257
01:46:50,200 --> 01:46:51,880
Speaker 1: And have the Patriots been against mesh this year?

2258
01:46:52,520 --> 01:46:56,280
Speaker 2: Okay, they don't. They haven't seen the ton, but they're

2259
01:46:56,320 --> 01:46:59,360
Speaker 2: running mesh on in the run game, they're running outside

2260
01:46:59,400 --> 01:47:01,920
Speaker 2: zone weaker will. It's one of the two. And it's

2261
01:47:02,040 --> 01:47:05,599
Speaker 2: like uncanny, how like these repeat players are just all

2262
01:47:05,680 --> 01:47:08,200
Speaker 2: over their film and to their credit, you know, James

2263
01:47:08,280 --> 01:47:10,200
Speaker 2: Cook and Josh Allen are really good players, and so

2264
01:47:10,360 --> 01:47:13,120
Speaker 2: sometimes it works. But the Texans had them in hell

2265
01:47:13,160 --> 01:47:14,960
Speaker 2: because they just knew what was coming, you know, And

2266
01:47:15,040 --> 01:47:17,920
Speaker 2: it's over and over again. So Joe Brady's under a

2267
01:47:17,960 --> 01:47:20,320
Speaker 2: lot of fire. He got crowned. You kind of It's

2268
01:47:20,360 --> 01:47:22,639
Speaker 2: kind of like a Bobby Slowick fall from Grace going

2269
01:47:22,720 --> 01:47:25,080
Speaker 2: on right now with Joe Brady, where you have one

2270
01:47:25,160 --> 01:47:27,280
Speaker 2: really good year and then immediately follow that up with

2271
01:47:27,360 --> 01:47:30,280
Speaker 2: a down year. So we'll see what happens with Buffalo.

2272
01:47:30,439 --> 01:47:32,840
Speaker 2: But I think the Bengals have a really good chance

2273
01:47:32,880 --> 01:47:34,680
Speaker 2: to win that game. I think so too.

2274
01:47:35,000 --> 01:47:37,080
Speaker 1: Speaking of looking ahead, give you one stat I found

2275
01:47:37,080 --> 01:47:39,400
Speaker 1: this week? Yes, kind of looking ahead for when they

2276
01:47:39,439 --> 01:47:44,479
Speaker 1: get back. Yes, Mike Rabel coming off the bye as

2277
01:47:44,520 --> 01:47:46,680
Speaker 1: a head coach. Do you know what his record is

2278
01:47:46,800 --> 01:47:49,360
Speaker 1: he told me, so, I know, I didn't think you'd

2279
01:47:49,400 --> 01:47:51,000
Speaker 1: remember six and oh.

2280
01:47:51,240 --> 01:47:52,479
Speaker 2: I remember some things you told me.

2281
01:47:52,920 --> 01:47:54,760
Speaker 1: Mike Rabel is six and oh coming off the by

2282
01:47:54,960 --> 01:47:58,439
Speaker 1: Five of those wins have been by multi score margins.

2283
01:47:58,960 --> 01:48:02,280
Speaker 1: He won twenty eight twenty three against the Falcons his

2284
01:48:02,439 --> 01:48:05,559
Speaker 1: last year there with the Titans. But Mike Rabel has

2285
01:48:05,720 --> 01:48:06,960
Speaker 1: never lost coming off the bye.

2286
01:48:07,120 --> 01:48:09,600
Speaker 2: I like that. I like that too, and I like

2287
01:48:09,760 --> 01:48:12,080
Speaker 2: Buffalo's run game, and I think this is what's gonna

2288
01:48:12,080 --> 01:48:14,519
Speaker 2: happen with Buffalo. Then we got to wrap this up. Buffalo,

2289
01:48:14,600 --> 01:48:16,639
Speaker 2: I think, is going to kind of reinvent themselves into

2290
01:48:16,680 --> 01:48:17,040
Speaker 2: a run.

2291
01:48:16,960 --> 01:48:19,120
Speaker 1: For We're going to try to do the twenty eighteen Patriots.

2292
01:48:18,840 --> 01:48:20,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they are. And then they'll just try

2293
01:48:20,760 --> 01:48:24,439
Speaker 2: to use Josh Allen as like an ultra efficient, you know,

2294
01:48:25,439 --> 01:48:28,080
Speaker 2: big play hunter, you know, or and that sort of

2295
01:48:28,160 --> 01:48:32,320
Speaker 2: thing which might work for them. Rich in Virginia, go quick, Rich,

2296
01:48:32,400 --> 01:48:32,760
Speaker 2: what's up?

2297
01:48:34,200 --> 01:48:34,840
Speaker 8: Hey, what's up?

2298
01:48:34,920 --> 01:48:35,120
Speaker 2: Y'all.

2299
01:48:35,760 --> 01:48:38,720
Speaker 8: Let's see you guys every week. Appreciate you guys, love

2300
01:48:38,760 --> 01:48:42,200
Speaker 8: the show. I have a just a quick question. It's

2301
01:48:42,240 --> 01:48:44,280
Speaker 8: a little bit of away from what y'all are talking about,

2302
01:48:44,360 --> 01:48:48,200
Speaker 8: but around quarterbacks, we obviously have our man. He is

2303
01:48:48,280 --> 01:48:51,519
Speaker 8: the goat. Every day I'm watching clips of this guy highlights.

2304
01:48:51,560 --> 01:48:54,519
Speaker 8: He's Drake May is the goat. I do wonder what

2305
01:48:54,840 --> 01:48:59,559
Speaker 8: y'all think about backup quarterbacks. Obviously we have Josh Dobbs.

2306
01:49:00,080 --> 01:49:02,960
Speaker 8: Josh Dobbs has played for US and he's been clutched

2307
01:49:03,080 --> 01:49:07,559
Speaker 8: third down situations. He's great. I am a DeVito believer.

2308
01:49:07,960 --> 01:49:11,160
Speaker 8: So obviously we will improve in the offseason and in

2309
01:49:11,240 --> 01:49:14,479
Speaker 8: the draft. Hopefully we'll get the thirty second pick. We'll see,

2310
01:49:15,360 --> 01:49:18,280
Speaker 8: But I'm curious what we think quarterback room looks like

2311
01:49:18,880 --> 01:49:20,880
Speaker 8: going into next year. Do we think de Vito stays

2312
01:49:20,880 --> 01:49:23,320
Speaker 8: around or do we think we keep Josh Jobbs and

2313
01:49:23,400 --> 01:49:26,200
Speaker 8: then get maybe a third quarterback in the draft. That's

2314
01:49:26,240 --> 01:49:27,840
Speaker 8: what I got for you, guys. Thank you so much.

2315
01:49:27,920 --> 01:49:30,120
Speaker 8: Keep doing you guys. You guys are awesome.

2316
01:49:30,320 --> 01:49:32,400
Speaker 2: Thanks. Rich called the Right show with that question.

2317
01:49:32,479 --> 01:49:34,599
Speaker 1: As a team at eleven and two, I love the mix.

2318
01:49:34,680 --> 01:49:35,400
Speaker 2: They half a quarterback.

2319
01:49:35,400 --> 01:49:36,920
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be the same. Maybe there's like

2320
01:49:37,000 --> 01:49:39,680
Speaker 1: a rookie UDFA that's on the practice squad hanging around, but.

2321
01:49:39,840 --> 01:49:43,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, haven't. I don't really feel this like big, and

2322
01:49:43,400 --> 01:49:45,000
Speaker 2: I know some people do. I don't really feel this

2323
01:49:45,160 --> 01:49:49,320
Speaker 2: big like need to upgrade the backup quarterback spot.

2324
01:49:49,920 --> 01:49:52,160
Speaker 1: Dov's on a multi year deal, so he said, But

2325
01:49:52,320 --> 01:49:53,760
Speaker 1: I think to Vito's in RFA, so.

2326
01:49:53,960 --> 01:49:56,040
Speaker 2: I think the best thing possible is what Josh Dobbs

2327
01:49:56,160 --> 01:49:58,400
Speaker 2: been doing for Drake May. That's what I want to see.

2328
01:49:58,439 --> 01:50:00,760
Speaker 2: I don't really care about right, It's.

2329
01:50:00,720 --> 01:50:03,280
Speaker 1: Working for Drake, so so keep it as is. Yeah,

2330
01:50:03,320 --> 01:50:04,400
Speaker 1: DeVito's at RFA.

2331
01:50:04,439 --> 01:50:06,960
Speaker 2: All right, Calvin and Florida go really quick.

2332
01:50:07,080 --> 01:50:10,800
Speaker 4: Calvin, and I just got a question, what do you

2333
01:50:10,880 --> 01:50:14,519
Speaker 4: guys think Kayshaan Boody's extension will be because I don't

2334
01:50:14,560 --> 01:50:16,880
Speaker 4: think there's any way they let him out of the

2335
01:50:16,960 --> 01:50:20,080
Speaker 4: building with the way he's had a connection with Drake Man.

2336
01:50:20,240 --> 01:50:21,160
Speaker 4: Just want your opinion on that.

2337
01:50:21,479 --> 01:50:23,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks Colin. It's an interesting question because he has

2338
01:50:23,920 --> 01:50:26,400
Speaker 2: been productive and he has been the arrow has been

2339
01:50:26,439 --> 01:50:29,280
Speaker 2: pointing in the right direction. However, and I just know this,

2340
01:50:29,560 --> 01:50:33,120
Speaker 2: you know historically from the league you're standing in the

2341
01:50:33,240 --> 01:50:35,360
Speaker 2: draft and what people thought of you during the draft

2342
01:50:36,200 --> 01:50:39,000
Speaker 2: when you're not like, oh if it's not Pukinikua right,

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Speaker 2: it was a fifth round pick and is just an

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Speaker 2: absolute superstar. It kind of Lingers with you a lot

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Speaker 2: of the time in the league. So all the reasons

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Speaker 2: why Kaishan Boody fell to the sixth round a couple

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Speaker 2: of years ago, whether it's on the field or off

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Speaker 2: the field, all right, I would assume it might follow

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Speaker 2: him in free agency where some teams are just going

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Speaker 2: to be a little bit wary, you know, backing up

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Speaker 2: the Brinks truck for kashaon Booty. Right, So I do

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Speaker 2: think that he's going to be, you know, nowadays, like

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Speaker 2: that wide receiver to money market. So maybe we're talking

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Speaker 2: about like twelve ish million a year. Maybe it's fifteen

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Speaker 2: in today's world, right, but yeah, in that sort of catechy,

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Speaker 2: I don't think that we're all of a sudden going

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Speaker 2: to see somebody pay Kayshon Booty twenty million a year.

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Speaker 2: I don't think that that's happening.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, his production isn't quite there, you know, the injury

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Speaker 1: probably set him back a little bit. But he'll get paid.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he'll get paid. Yeah, we'll getting contract.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, agreed. All right, that's going to do it for

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Speaker 2: today's show. We will be back next week. No game

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Speaker 2: to recap next week, so we're gonna probably talk a

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Speaker 2: lot about the rest of the NFL and do that

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Speaker 2: whole thing. We'll talk, of course about the Patriots and

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Speaker 2: the Bills. Hat and T shirt game right, Hat and

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Speaker 2: T shirt game for the Patriots against the Bills, chance

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Speaker 2: to clinch the AFC East Patriots Unfiltered, it'll be up

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Speaker 2: in eight minutes. We'll see you guys then, or I'll

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Speaker 2: see you then. We'll see you guys next week here

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Speaker 2: on catchwoin tube. Hey, this is Alex. Thanks for tuning

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Speaker 2: into the show. If you really want to help us,

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Speaker 2: make sure.

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Speaker 2: Also, make sure you follow us on the New.

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Speaker 8: England Patriots YouTube channel to see this show and everything

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Speaker 8: else we do here at the Patriots.

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Speaker 2: Thanks a lot.