WEBVTT - #116 - Scott Hamilton 0:00:01.960 --> 0:00:04.960 I welcome to episode one sixteen of the Bobby Cast. 0:00:05.680 --> 0:00:09.080 This guest is Scott Hamilton's who won the Olympic gold back. 0:00:11.600 --> 0:00:15.120 We talked about adopting and by the way, A Namy 0:00:15.160 --> 0:00:16.520 isn't here for this pre thing cause we just I'm 0:00:16.520 --> 0:00:19.079 doing the pre show before. Well, but yeah, and we 0:00:19.120 --> 0:00:21.600 talked about you in this coming up podcast because his 0:00:21.640 --> 0:00:24.279 wife is your mentor. Yes, because they adopted two older 0:00:24.360 --> 0:00:27.080 kids from Haiti, and so did we, so they've been 0:00:27.120 --> 0:00:29.560 a huge help to us. So not only is it 0:00:29.640 --> 0:00:31.720 super inspirational, but it gets really cool too because we're talking. 0:00:31.720 --> 0:00:34.320 We start talking about I don't want to ruin it, 0:00:34.320 --> 0:00:36.440 but when he came back, he's, like he said, overnight 0:00:36.960 --> 0:00:40.040 he was nobody who he came back from the Olympics 0:00:40.040 --> 0:00:42.839 and then his five thousand people waiting for him. It's crazy. 0:00:42.880 --> 0:00:45.680 So Scott Hamilton's uh. And the first time I knew 0:00:45.680 --> 0:00:47.760 of Scott Hamilton, I wasn't alive. I guess I wasn't alive, 0:00:47.760 --> 0:00:50.360 but I was little. I don't know him from that, 0:00:50.360 --> 0:00:52.080 but I know him from something else, and that's what 0:00:52.120 --> 0:00:53.600 I told him. You'll see, you'll hear it. This is 0:00:53.640 --> 0:00:56.080 episode one sixteen of the Bobby Cast. He has a 0:00:56.080 --> 0:01:00.120 book called Finished First, Winning Changes Everything. Other Podcas has 0:01:00.160 --> 0:01:03.480 to check out include Velvet's Edge with Kelly Henderson, her 0:01:03.520 --> 0:01:05.000 latest episodes, up with Amy, which is why I have 0:01:05.040 --> 0:01:06.920 Amy here. You guys can talk about all kinds of 0:01:06.959 --> 0:01:11.480 stuff on Everything Bobby, Yes, you want disgust, There we go. 0:01:11.920 --> 0:01:14.920 There's also Good Company with Jaco and Jake's got a podcast, 0:01:15.240 --> 0:01:16.720 Uh He's got a funny with his mom, and then 0:01:16.720 --> 0:01:19.480 geeking Out with Christian Bush. Upcoming guests of this here 0:01:19.520 --> 0:01:23.280 include Kimberly Slatman from a Little Big Town, Jason al Dean, writer, 0:01:23.400 --> 0:01:28.039 Jesse Fraser, Ashley Gorley. Yeah, it's like if somebody else 0:01:28.080 --> 0:01:30.760 to it forgetting that's coming as a that's a big deal. Yeah, 0:01:31.280 --> 0:01:32.600 a lot of a lot of people come by. So 0:01:32.640 --> 0:01:35.200 there you go. This is episode one sixteen. Tell your 0:01:35.240 --> 0:01:37.440 friends about the Bobby Cast if you like it. This 0:01:37.480 --> 0:01:42.080 is Scott Hamilton's all right, Welcome to another episode of 0:01:42.120 --> 0:01:47.720 the Bobby Cast with Scott Hamilton's someone that you know. 0:01:47.880 --> 0:01:49.320 It's been cool for me getting to know you over 0:01:49.320 --> 0:01:51.200 the past couple of years. You've been on the show 0:01:51.200 --> 0:01:54.440 a couple of times. You were introducing into my personal 0:01:54.480 --> 0:01:58.160 life through Amy, yes, and through her adoption process, because 0:01:58.160 --> 0:02:01.240 she calls your wife her mentor. You know, yeah, it's 0:02:01.240 --> 0:02:04.520 almost like sister in crime. You know, it's it's a 0:02:04.560 --> 0:02:08.679 tough process, you know that navigating all the politics and 0:02:08.840 --> 0:02:13.519 you know, just the enormity of what international adoption is, 0:02:13.639 --> 0:02:18.200 especially in Haiti. I mean, man, that's a that's a 0:02:18.200 --> 0:02:20.959 complicated place. We were talking about this morning. Amy and 0:02:20.960 --> 0:02:23.000 I were and I had mentioned San Tracy, your wife, 0:02:23.480 --> 0:02:25.760 and I can see her name right, Okay, that's right here, 0:02:26.240 --> 0:02:28.480 and she was like, yeah, Tracy's my mentor. She's been 0:02:28.480 --> 0:02:30.239 my mentor through the adoption process. And it was the 0:02:30.240 --> 0:02:32.960 first time I heard Amy describe her as that. I 0:02:33.000 --> 0:02:34.560 knew that you guys have helped and that's how I've 0:02:34.560 --> 0:02:36.360 got to know you guys, But I didn't know that 0:02:36.440 --> 0:02:39.200 she actually considered her like the person that she looked 0:02:39.280 --> 0:02:41.280 up to. Well, I think and when you're doing something 0:02:41.320 --> 0:02:44.040 like that, especially you know, um, Amy and Ben went 0:02:44.080 --> 0:02:47.680 from zero to two older kids. You know, they don't 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:49.560 get him as babies. It's you know, there's a lot 0:02:49.600 --> 0:02:52.359 of challenges that come with that. Kids are imprinted wherever 0:02:52.400 --> 0:02:54.880 they are and that's their behavior, that's their code and 0:02:54.919 --> 0:02:57.480 then when you got language barriers and everything else, you 0:02:57.520 --> 0:02:59.800 need somebody that's gonna stand with you in a situation 0:02:59.840 --> 0:03:01.680 like that. You know, it's kind of been there, done that, 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:04.680 and I think Tracy has really been. Um. I think 0:03:04.720 --> 0:03:06.320 it means a lot to Tracy to be able to 0:03:06.360 --> 0:03:09.880 offer that to Amy. Just getting through it and there's 0:03:09.919 --> 0:03:12.760 tough days, you know, even if it's it's perfect right. 0:03:12.880 --> 0:03:15.560 And you know, birth children and you know we brought 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:17.760 them up since you know you're gonna have those those 0:03:17.800 --> 0:03:20.880 bumpy parts, and um, you know we've seen that all 0:03:20.919 --> 0:03:23.240 the way through with not only our two birth children, 0:03:23.240 --> 0:03:26.040 but are too adopted children from Haiti. It's it's a 0:03:26.080 --> 0:03:29.640 wild ride. And you know, I I've lived through enough 0:03:30.000 --> 0:03:31.680 where I can kind of like you know, live with 0:03:31.720 --> 0:03:34.400 more than an open hand and say, Okay, that wasn't 0:03:34.400 --> 0:03:38.640 a great choice. Let's let's talk about when you know 0:03:38.760 --> 0:03:41.440 through a little bit and uh, you know, Tracy is 0:03:41.520 --> 0:03:43.960 much more you know, direct, and you know we're gonna 0:03:43.960 --> 0:03:45.880 take this, nip it in the bud and move on. 0:03:46.080 --> 0:03:51.280 It's like okay, okay, uh, you're the boss. Listen, I'm 0:03:51.320 --> 0:03:53.920 glad you're here. You and Trace are super nice, but 0:03:54.440 --> 0:03:56.840 you know, you have such interesting life. And you know, 0:03:57.000 --> 0:03:58.800 the first time I was introduced to you. So I 0:03:58.840 --> 0:04:01.200 was born in the eighties, so I didn't get to 0:04:01.240 --> 0:04:05.280 see you when the gold medal, right, but you know 0:04:05.360 --> 0:04:07.560 how I was introduced to you was watching you come 0:04:07.600 --> 0:04:10.720 in at the end of Roseanne and whenever you were 0:04:11.080 --> 0:04:14.560 doing the thoughts skating on the kitchen. But I still 0:04:14.600 --> 0:04:16.600 get to I get a check every month for about 0:04:16.680 --> 0:04:20.120 thirty four cents, you know, in residuals for and that 0:04:20.240 --> 0:04:22.640 was the first That's when I started actually looking you 0:04:22.800 --> 0:04:24.680 up and be like, who is this Scott Hamilton's guy 0:04:25.000 --> 0:04:28.120 was so much fun, you know. We um, I was 0:04:28.160 --> 0:04:30.640 really working too hard and there was all this crazy 0:04:30.640 --> 0:04:33.520 stuff going on, and uh, I got a call from 0:04:33.600 --> 0:04:36.320 Roseanne saying we want to do Linoleum socks skating and 0:04:36.360 --> 0:04:39.640 it's like, I'm in, Well, we want to get Vernon Lundquist. 0:04:39.839 --> 0:04:42.120 He's in. Do you think we should ask him first? 0:04:42.120 --> 0:04:44.960 I go, no, no, he's in. So Burne was really 0:04:45.000 --> 0:04:47.719 happy to do it. And then I got um Kevin 0:04:47.800 --> 0:04:50.880 Quinn and I did that that skit and I kept 0:04:50.920 --> 0:04:53.680 running and Kevin all over the place, and uh, he 0:04:53.839 --> 0:04:55.599 was a really niat guy. You know, he had a 0:04:55.600 --> 0:04:58.840 lot of demons that you know, ended up taking him. 0:04:58.839 --> 0:05:01.800 But um, we had a really nice friendship and it 0:05:01.880 --> 0:05:06.080 was really funny doing that because Roseanne's like, that's not funny, 0:05:07.040 --> 0:05:10.440 now do that? No, that does and so uh yeah, 0:05:10.440 --> 0:05:12.880 it was there last show before they broke for Christmas, 0:05:12.920 --> 0:05:14.919 and there was a big party afterwards, and did you 0:05:14.920 --> 0:05:17.599 go to the Roseanne party? Yeah? They let It was fun. 0:05:17.680 --> 0:05:20.960 Yeah what happened at the Roseanne bar rat party because 0:05:21.000 --> 0:05:23.560 that was when the show was really kicking its first time, 0:05:23.600 --> 0:05:26.320 like really doing great. It was. It was awesome. You know, 0:05:26.400 --> 0:05:28.800 everybody with you. Johnny Glacia was there, and then um, 0:05:28.839 --> 0:05:32.120 I ended up with John Goodman. Um that was back, 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:35.240 you know, a long time ago, and I occasionally might 0:05:35.320 --> 0:05:38.320 misbehave a little bit, and I ended up sitting with 0:05:38.400 --> 0:05:44.480 him like for hours and uh laughing because um uh 0:05:44.600 --> 0:05:48.120 there's a guy that works with Dick Button named Dennis Grimaldi, 0:05:48.279 --> 0:05:52.720 and um, Dennis gave John his starting skating So we 0:05:52.800 --> 0:05:54.520 had that, you know, I had Dick Button on my 0:05:54.600 --> 0:05:57.000 skating side and he had Dennis Grimaldi on the acting side, 0:05:57.040 --> 0:05:59.640 and we just sat there and just laughed about all 0:05:59.640 --> 0:06:01.440 the create the stories of those guys and all the 0:06:01.480 --> 0:06:03.920 partnership and all the shows they produced, and a lot 0:06:03.920 --> 0:06:06.799 of people don't know that. You know, Dick Button created 0:06:06.880 --> 0:06:11.600 Superstars the Superstars, which is the show with that athletic 0:06:11.600 --> 0:06:13.479 competition where they put all the people from all the 0:06:13.520 --> 0:06:17.080 different sports together, all competing one on one. I don't 0:06:17.080 --> 0:06:19.040 remember that show. Oh my god, it was huge. And 0:06:19.120 --> 0:06:21.719 Battle the Network Stars, he didn't. I've seen some Battle 0:06:21.760 --> 0:06:23.800 the Networks was on YouTube, and I guess I'm dating 0:06:23.839 --> 0:06:25.919 myself a bit. I don't know, I'm dating myself. A 0:06:25.960 --> 0:06:28.760 lot of bit went with Superstars on. It was in 0:06:28.800 --> 0:06:30.960 the seventies and eighties, and they would bring in people 0:06:31.040 --> 0:06:36.279 from baseball, football, boxing, basketball, soccer and then all compete 0:06:36.320 --> 0:06:38.400 against each other and in these kind of more Olympic 0:06:38.480 --> 0:06:41.239 kind of sports, and it was it was really entertaining. 0:06:41.320 --> 0:06:44.960 The ratings were huge and people thought, oh, Dick Button 0:06:45.000 --> 0:06:47.000 created that. And you know, Dennis was a big part 0:06:47.040 --> 0:06:50.800 of Dennis's theatrical side and John Goodman I had that 0:06:50.839 --> 0:06:53.640 in common. We just it was fun. It was a 0:06:53.680 --> 0:06:56.440 big night. It's funny you bring up ratings and television 0:06:56.480 --> 0:06:59.000 shows from back even when I was a kid, there 0:06:59.040 --> 0:07:02.560 weren't there were I or six outlets, and so everything 0:07:02.600 --> 0:07:05.480 had a lot of eyeballs, where now there's a million 0:07:05.480 --> 0:07:08.440 outlets and fighting for a few eyeballs on all of them. 0:07:08.560 --> 0:07:10.480 It's been tough. You know, when you look at trust 0:07:10.560 --> 0:07:13.400 real um kind of networks, you know, and it was ABC, 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:17.080 CBS and NBC and they owned everything, and they were 0:07:17.160 --> 0:07:19.200 just they were burning through money, and it was kind 0:07:19.240 --> 0:07:22.920 of this gigantic, huge, you know, infrastructure that just they 0:07:23.000 --> 0:07:26.400 just printed money. It was just gigantic. And then cable 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:30.080 television came through and the network guys from we understand it, 0:07:30.080 --> 0:07:32.120 We're kind of stiff armed and say, no, we got this. 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:33.920 If you want to come on, then you have you're 0:07:33.920 --> 0:07:37.200 gonna have to pay. You know, they're not gonna We're 0:07:37.200 --> 0:07:38.600 not gonna pay you. You're gonna have to pay to 0:07:38.600 --> 0:07:40.440 get on our systems. And it was like wait, wait, wait, 0:07:40.440 --> 0:07:41.720 it's up fair. And then all of a sudden, there's 0:07:41.760 --> 0:07:45.240 all these choices and network television now is a completely 0:07:45.240 --> 0:07:47.720 different business model than it was before. I mean, they 0:07:47.760 --> 0:07:49.040 still have a lot of money, and they still have 0:07:49.040 --> 0:07:51.080 a lot of eyeballs, but it's not nearly what it 0:07:51.240 --> 0:07:54.440 was back when. I mean, we had three stations when 0:07:54.440 --> 0:07:57.600 I was growing up. And here's how old I am. 0:07:57.720 --> 0:08:00.960 We waited until six o'clock when the BC went from 0:08:01.120 --> 0:08:04.800 black and white to color. Wait. So television did that, 0:08:05.960 --> 0:08:08.880 and that's where the Peacock was so amazing, because they 0:08:08.920 --> 0:08:11.320 would do the Peacock would all of a sudden, all 0:08:11.360 --> 0:08:13.960 the colors would come on and would be this wow. 0:08:14.120 --> 0:08:16.080 And you know, my parents were really big into like, 0:08:16.120 --> 0:08:19.720 they loved music, and they and you know it professors 0:08:19.720 --> 0:08:22.720 in school. They love music, and they loved television. They 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:25.160 loved you know, media and and um. So we had 0:08:25.200 --> 0:08:27.600 this big kind of console in our living room where 0:08:27.640 --> 0:08:30.360 we had a color TV. And it was awesome and 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:32.880 we're we just sit there and staring and all the 0:08:32.920 --> 0:08:34.800 shows that we used to watch back then. We're just 0:08:34.840 --> 0:08:37.080 so much fun. I didn't know, and I con sider 0:08:37.120 --> 0:08:39.720 myself a TV nerd. I didn't know it went from 0:08:39.720 --> 0:08:41.640 color or from black and white to color in the 0:08:41.679 --> 0:08:43.959 middle of the day. It was read at prime time. 0:08:45.000 --> 0:08:47.480 It was just I guess, right before the news. You know, 0:08:47.600 --> 0:08:49.320 sometimes the news in black and white, and when the 0:08:49.320 --> 0:08:52.439 news was important, like the news it's still a thing, 0:08:52.600 --> 0:08:56.400 you know, the news kind of isn't news anymore. It's opinion. 0:08:56.760 --> 0:08:59.439 It's all these opinion chat shows right where. So you're 0:08:59.440 --> 0:09:01.480 talking about able news, Yeah, I'm talking about I'm even 0:09:01.480 --> 0:09:04.040 talking about the local news. Yeah, the local news used 0:09:04.040 --> 0:09:06.920 to be a big deal. If it bleeds, it leads. Yeah. 0:09:07.640 --> 0:09:11.760 Weather a tiny Arkansas town and the weatherman in Arkansas 0:09:11.800 --> 0:09:14.840 when I was a kid was named ned Permy. He's 0:09:14.840 --> 0:09:17.800 still there. And I'm starstruck by the local lear Rock 0:09:17.880 --> 0:09:21.400 weather guy because the TV local TV news was such 0:09:21.400 --> 0:09:23.480 a big deal where I grew up, I don't So 0:09:23.480 --> 0:09:25.680 where did you grow up? Bowling Green, Ohio? Okay, so 0:09:25.760 --> 0:09:28.720 that's not a big city. It's it was really small. 0:09:28.920 --> 0:09:30.719 Like the joke about Bowling Green is it's in that 0:09:30.800 --> 0:09:33.800 really flat part of Ohio. You can actually stand on 0:09:33.840 --> 0:09:37.079 a chair and see Detroit, Michigan. You know, it's that flat, 0:09:37.520 --> 0:09:39.760 and really, you know it's it's it's a lot of 0:09:39.800 --> 0:09:43.360 farm country. It was a university center, so the population 0:09:43.440 --> 0:09:46.800 was kind of like a third college families, a third locals, 0:09:46.880 --> 0:09:49.960 and a third agriculture. And it was a really odd 0:09:50.000 --> 0:09:53.240 mix growing up and um but you know, it was 0:09:53.240 --> 0:09:55.400 still rooted in the college and so everything we did 0:09:55.520 --> 0:09:57.680 was kind of at the university and all the fun 0:09:57.720 --> 0:09:59.880 things like the ice arena was part of the university 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:02.920 and and that's where we got started there. But um, 0:10:03.000 --> 0:10:04.480 it's a great way to grow up. You know. We 0:10:04.520 --> 0:10:07.840 had big weather, huge weather, tornadoes coming through there all 0:10:07.880 --> 0:10:10.080 the time, and I remember just be home before the 0:10:10.120 --> 0:10:14.200 tornado hits, pushing my bike because I couldn't ride it 0:10:14.200 --> 0:10:16.600 into the wind. And it was awesome. It was really 0:10:16.640 --> 0:10:18.520 fun to grow up that way. You got a new book, 0:10:18.679 --> 0:10:22.080 Finished First, Winning changes everything. It came back, came out 0:10:22.080 --> 0:10:25.760 back in February, and so tell me what this over 0:10:25.920 --> 0:10:27.719 art because I've read most of it at this point, 0:10:27.800 --> 0:10:31.800 tell me what this overarching theme of Finished First is. Well, 0:10:31.840 --> 0:10:35.000 you know, I've been doing a lot of speaking, a 0:10:35.040 --> 0:10:37.280 lot of you know, and I've done a couple of books, 0:10:37.280 --> 0:10:39.839 and and I was, you know, I really wanted to 0:10:40.280 --> 0:10:42.160 you know there. I felt there was something in there 0:10:42.200 --> 0:10:44.320 that needed, you know, to come out, that that was 0:10:44.400 --> 0:10:46.960 a new platform for me to share. And I sat 0:10:46.960 --> 0:10:49.679 down with Donald Miller, who's an author, and and I 0:10:49.720 --> 0:10:51.240 just said, you know, what do you what do you 0:10:51.280 --> 0:10:56.960 What's what's my next message? And he goes winning, Okay, 0:10:57.200 --> 0:10:58.760 I figured that went out, but what do you mean? 0:10:58.800 --> 0:11:01.560 He goes we live in an in a time where um, 0:11:01.600 --> 0:11:06.120 everything is based on participation, trophies and sparing our you know, 0:11:06.520 --> 0:11:08.640 sparing everybody's feelings, and we don't want to do this 0:11:08.640 --> 0:11:11.160 one to that, and and I really feel like we're 0:11:11.200 --> 0:11:16.080 in trouble. And you know, competition is good. Competition allows us, 0:11:16.200 --> 0:11:18.480 you know, I mean you hear that every day you're 0:11:18.520 --> 0:11:20.680 competing with all these other you know, radio shows and 0:11:20.880 --> 0:11:24.320 YouTube channels, radio show everything. You're competify everything, but it 0:11:24.360 --> 0:11:27.800 makes you better. I mean metal still sharp and steel, yeah, 0:11:27.880 --> 0:11:30.640 you know, and better things make me better. So a 0:11:30.679 --> 0:11:32.200 lot of you know that has been pushed out of 0:11:32.200 --> 0:11:33.680 our culture. So we got you know a lot of 0:11:33.679 --> 0:11:36.160 people that are in business looking for you know, how 0:11:36.160 --> 0:11:37.679 do I get better? How do I you know, win 0:11:37.720 --> 0:11:40.080 the next job? Or you know, people in school, how 0:11:40.080 --> 0:11:42.120 do I you know, how do I put myself in 0:11:42.120 --> 0:11:44.080 a great position to succeed? And then you've got you know, 0:11:44.160 --> 0:11:46.880 kids in sports and and I've even found the book 0:11:46.920 --> 0:11:50.600 has a big audience with with senior citizens where they 0:11:50.640 --> 0:11:53.800 go I was given up, and now you've given me 0:11:53.840 --> 0:11:56.800 permission to kind of go do some things I've always 0:11:56.800 --> 0:11:59.600 wanted to do. So you know, the whole idea behind 0:11:59.679 --> 0:12:03.240 Finished First is that you know, we all have dreams, aspirations, 0:12:03.559 --> 0:12:05.080 we all have things that we want to do, we 0:12:05.120 --> 0:12:06.560 all have things that we need to do. You know, 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:09.120 we all have purpose. We all have talents and skills 0:12:09.160 --> 0:12:11.720 that allow us to do things in a really special 0:12:11.760 --> 0:12:14.840 and remarkable way. But it doesn't just happen. You've got 0:12:14.960 --> 0:12:17.320 to un roll up your sleeves and and you know, 0:12:17.679 --> 0:12:22.840 put the time into really uh advance your you know, 0:12:22.880 --> 0:12:26.080 advance your skills, learn how to lose and win, and 0:12:26.160 --> 0:12:27.920 learn how to you know, put yourself out there. And 0:12:27.960 --> 0:12:31.120 when you do, everything changes. You know, if you're able 0:12:31.160 --> 0:12:33.640 to you know, build that foundation of a million different 0:12:34.559 --> 0:12:36.959 victories of just showing up, of just doing the work 0:12:37.000 --> 0:12:39.320 of being you know, leaving the last one to leave, 0:12:39.360 --> 0:12:43.160 and all those really great concepts of understanding that you're 0:12:43.240 --> 0:12:46.280 not quite who you need to be. And there's probably 0:12:46.320 --> 0:12:48.960 something they're just dying to get out and it's it's 0:12:49.280 --> 0:12:52.439 it's taking stock of your skill set and what you're 0:12:52.600 --> 0:12:55.160 you're drawn to and then being able to leverage that 0:12:55.200 --> 0:12:58.520 into something really significant. And and I've I've always felt 0:12:58.559 --> 0:13:00.200 that when I see people that are kind of can 0:13:00.240 --> 0:13:03.960 bad choices it's like, uh, it's crazy you mentioned so 0:13:04.080 --> 0:13:06.319 the this is not a plug from my book. My 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:09.240 book comes out in June, my second book, and I 0:13:09.320 --> 0:13:16.600 say it's the least uplifting motivational book ever. It's a 0:13:16.640 --> 0:13:18.760 lot like because I wrote my first book and I 0:13:18.760 --> 0:13:21.440 didn't really have interest in writing a book. I didn't 0:13:21.960 --> 0:13:23.320 and I wanted to write a kid's book, and so 0:13:23.360 --> 0:13:25.720 I ended up they said, hey, the kid's book. It's 0:13:25.760 --> 0:13:28.640 so saturated that market. That don't write a kid's book, 0:13:28.880 --> 0:13:32.320 write a memoir. And I thought, what have I done? 0:13:32.360 --> 0:13:34.640 I haven't won a World Series or a gold medal 0:13:34.920 --> 0:13:36.959 or been on the movie. So I write this book's guy, 0:13:37.040 --> 0:13:38.719 and I'm like, this is just terrible. I think this 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:45.160 is a turd. That yeah, and it sells like unbelievably, 0:13:45.360 --> 0:13:47.720 and so even it was unbelievable to me, and I 0:13:47.760 --> 0:13:49.640 didn't want to write a second book. It just was 0:13:49.720 --> 0:13:51.320 not going to do it. So I did a Ted 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:55.920 talk and it was called winning by Losing, okay, and 0:13:55.960 --> 0:13:57.839 so they said, hey, would you write that? I thought, 0:13:58.640 --> 0:14:01.080 that's about the only thing that enters to me. And 0:14:01.160 --> 0:14:03.160 so what you're thing is a lot of what I 0:14:03.200 --> 0:14:06.000 wrote in my book, and how it's if you can't 0:14:06.040 --> 0:14:09.280 do the little things like beyond time, then you can't 0:14:09.320 --> 0:14:12.200 do the big things like stop begging to get the 0:14:12.200 --> 0:14:14.920 big jobs. If you can't do the little jobs right well, 0:14:14.960 --> 0:14:18.160 and it's it's also you know, sometimes we you know, 0:14:18.200 --> 0:14:20.960 I see people that are putting themselves in the wrong place. 0:14:21.240 --> 0:14:23.800 It's like, Okay, I know you really want to do that. 0:14:24.000 --> 0:14:28.120 Like I would love to be a rock star. All right, Um, 0:14:28.160 --> 0:14:31.520 too short, too bald, can't sing, can't play an instrument 0:14:32.560 --> 0:14:35.960 that's gonna be Those are challenges. Those are big challenges. 0:14:36.360 --> 0:14:38.320 And so it's like, you know, you find your way, 0:14:38.360 --> 0:14:40.160 you bump around and then you find things. You know. 0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:42.240 I like to tell the story of when I was 0:14:42.280 --> 0:14:45.200 in Korea for the Olympics. Um the venue manager there 0:14:45.200 --> 0:14:46.760 and I got to be really good friends, and he said, 0:14:46.960 --> 0:14:48.720 I want you to talk to my staff because a 0:14:48.760 --> 0:14:51.200 lot of the young Korean people have given up. They're 0:14:51.240 --> 0:14:53.880 just basically told to be obedient, do what we tell 0:14:53.920 --> 0:14:56.680 you to do and you'll be fine. But don't you know, 0:14:56.720 --> 0:15:00.440 it's like they're they're crushing dreams basically as a culture. 0:15:01.080 --> 0:15:03.640 And I gave my little you know, spiel on finished 0:15:03.680 --> 0:15:05.200 first and then a girl came up to me and 0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:07.800 she was about eighteen. I guess, and she goes, I 0:15:07.840 --> 0:15:10.680 don't understand what you mean about purpose? And I go 0:15:10.840 --> 0:15:12.880 really well, I mean, what do you mean? He shows 0:15:13.320 --> 0:15:16.320 I'm not good at anything? And she said it just 0:15:16.400 --> 0:15:19.040 like that. And it's like, who's who's pouring into this 0:15:19.080 --> 0:15:22.680 girl that she's not good at anything? And so I go, well, 0:15:22.720 --> 0:15:24.760 let's just break it down. I go, what do you 0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:26.600 like to do? What brings you joy? And she goes, 0:15:26.640 --> 0:15:29.520 I like to read? And I go, wow, what do 0:15:29.560 --> 0:15:31.160 you read? And she goes, well, the last two books 0:15:31.160 --> 0:15:33.360 I read where Jane Eyre and Withering Heights, And I go, oh, 0:15:33.400 --> 0:15:35.800 you like the classics? And I finally got a smile 0:15:35.800 --> 0:15:37.400 out of her and shows I do, and I go, 0:15:37.880 --> 0:15:40.960 maybe you're an author and her eyes just popped. That's 0:15:40.960 --> 0:15:44.040 that little, like, you know, thing of recognition where like that, 0:15:44.200 --> 0:15:46.600 and it was like I felt like I I gave 0:15:46.600 --> 0:15:49.720 her permission to dream just for that second. And maybe 0:15:49.720 --> 0:15:51.640 it was a seed. I don't know, but it's just 0:15:51.720 --> 0:15:54.320 like there are so many people out there just looking 0:15:54.360 --> 0:15:58.280 for direction and looking for a path forward, and you 0:15:58.280 --> 0:16:01.000 know they're stuck behind all these parts. As a patient trophies, 0:16:01.040 --> 0:16:03.240 and we don't want anybody to win or anybody to lose. 0:16:03.240 --> 0:16:06.160 And that's just lazy parenting. You know. It's like when Max, 0:16:06.240 --> 0:16:08.600 my youngest, you know, a great kid, funny you know, 0:16:09.120 --> 0:16:11.760 wants to be a great hockey player. He has Ryan Ellis' 0:16:11.840 --> 0:16:14.320 number on his back because he sees himself as Ryan Ellis, 0:16:14.320 --> 0:16:16.280 all right, because he's a little guy and he wants 0:16:16.280 --> 0:16:18.560 to play d and score and all that stuff. And 0:16:18.600 --> 0:16:20.760 he played his first few games and they got killed. 0:16:20.880 --> 0:16:24.680 I mean, they just got destroyed. And I'm like, buddy, 0:16:24.720 --> 0:16:26.440 what what, what's wrong? And he goes, I don't like 0:16:26.640 --> 0:16:29.240 losing like this. I don't like it. And I go, okay, okay, 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:31.360 well what did you learn today? And he goes, well, 0:16:31.400 --> 0:16:33.720 I I gotta skate better, and I gotta stick in 0:16:33.800 --> 0:16:35.160 a little bit better. And I want to I want 0:16:35.160 --> 0:16:36.720 to get my shot up. I really want to hit 0:16:36.800 --> 0:16:39.720 that top corner of the net. It's like, that's great, Max, 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:43.680 what would you have learned if you won? And he 0:16:43.720 --> 0:16:46.560 looked at me like is that a true question? Because 0:16:46.600 --> 0:16:48.960 I don't have an answer. And that's it. I mean, 0:16:49.000 --> 0:16:51.200 if we can learn learn from losing, if we can 0:16:51.240 --> 0:16:54.920 look at losing his information and not this debilitating, horrible, 0:16:55.320 --> 0:16:59.640 painful scar on our psyche. We're probably gonna be better 0:16:59.680 --> 0:17:01.960 up it, like all the haters on Twitter, you know, 0:17:02.040 --> 0:17:04.199 during the Olympics, I got roasted bunch, and so I 0:17:04.240 --> 0:17:06.439 put them all, not all, I put about seven of 0:17:06.480 --> 0:17:09.640 them in a talk I gave to this college leadership program. 0:17:09.680 --> 0:17:12.200 And when I started playing them one after another, these 0:17:12.200 --> 0:17:14.760 college kids were covering their eyes, covering their face, and 0:17:14.760 --> 0:17:18.080 it's like, are you kidding me? This is nothing, you know, 0:17:18.200 --> 0:17:21.919 because criticism comes down to is it fact or is 0:17:21.920 --> 0:17:25.440 it opinion. If it's opinion, you can delete it right away. 0:17:25.440 --> 0:17:28.479 It doesn't mean anything. It's just noise or just nothing. 0:17:28.880 --> 0:17:30.439 And if it's fact, then you've got now you have 0:17:30.480 --> 0:17:33.600 something to work with, right, and you can like totally 0:17:33.640 --> 0:17:35.840 figure out how to deal with that that, you know, 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:38.080 maybe as a weakness that you can worry, you know, 0:17:38.119 --> 0:17:41.080 worry about and really, you know, sharpen and and get 0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:43.800 better at things. Right. So, when I was skating, dick 0:17:43.840 --> 0:17:45.600 Button was always telling me how bad I was at 0:17:45.640 --> 0:17:47.280 this or how bad I was at that, And so 0:17:47.359 --> 0:17:49.400 my goal every year was to give him one less 0:17:49.440 --> 0:17:51.720 thing to talk about, to the point where if I 0:17:51.760 --> 0:17:54.480 made it to the Olympics and eighty four, he couldn't 0:17:54.520 --> 0:17:57.080 say anything bad about me and that was it. It's like, 0:17:57.640 --> 0:18:00.480 the greatest strength is a lack of weakness where we week, 0:18:00.560 --> 0:18:03.160 that's what we need to work on. And you know, failures, 0:18:03.200 --> 0:18:07.800 information and and and criticism is edited, just edited, And 0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:10.399 it's amazing how powerful that can be for people that 0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:13.520 fear taking that first step forward. You know, part of 0:18:13.560 --> 0:18:16.160 your book is one of the things that I resonated 0:18:16.160 --> 0:18:17.760 with me was we talk about editing your critics. I 0:18:17.760 --> 0:18:20.840 hope I'm staying that right. Edit your credits. It's what 0:18:20.880 --> 0:18:23.360 you're talking about there. But when I was reading it, 0:18:23.720 --> 0:18:25.080 and that was a part to meet the stuck out 0:18:25.080 --> 0:18:26.560 and you and you just hit it. But that's what 0:18:27.040 --> 0:18:29.159 when you're in the public eye or you have a 0:18:29.280 --> 0:18:31.600 job that a lot of people see. It doesn't have 0:18:31.640 --> 0:18:33.440 to be a radio personality, could be the head of 0:18:33.480 --> 0:18:35.320 an office. There are a lot of people with a 0:18:35.320 --> 0:18:38.480 lot of opinions and you have to edit what you're 0:18:38.480 --> 0:18:41.119 going to take in from them because I don't melt you. 0:18:42.200 --> 0:18:44.639 We have right now in US figure skating, there's a 0:18:44.720 --> 0:18:47.639 situation where you have as many as twelve judge, twelve 0:18:47.720 --> 0:18:51.760 judges coming to evaluate your skating. Now, if if I 0:18:51.840 --> 0:18:54.760 were making chicken soup and I had twelve people working 0:18:54.800 --> 0:18:57.200 on the chicken soup, you know, edible, that would be 0:18:57.680 --> 0:19:00.520 it wouldn't be. It would be awful. And oh, you know, 0:19:00.880 --> 0:19:04.159 I need to work with people and how we you know, information, 0:19:04.240 --> 0:19:06.600 how it's given, and and really make it so it's 0:19:06.920 --> 0:19:09.880 it's nutritious and not just a bunch of opinions going 0:19:09.920 --> 0:19:11.960 back and forth, because it confuses people. And these are 0:19:12.200 --> 0:19:15.040 people of authority. So yeah, we have to really look 0:19:15.080 --> 0:19:17.800 at what the information is, how it's coming in, and 0:19:17.840 --> 0:19:20.440 how best we can utilize it. And if we can't, 0:19:20.720 --> 0:19:25.440 it's okay to I give you permission to throw it away. Right. 0:19:25.840 --> 0:19:27.960 I had a judge tell me one time, an international 0:19:28.000 --> 0:19:30.119 and judge, when I'm on that just that little bit 0:19:30.160 --> 0:19:32.240 of a slow pop, you know, I'm starting to kind 0:19:32.240 --> 0:19:35.480 of look like I'm gonna actually be okay. And she said, 0:19:35.480 --> 0:19:37.720 it's really good that Scott's doing better, but he's too 0:19:37.720 --> 0:19:41.159 short to be competitive internationally. And I looked at that 0:19:41.200 --> 0:19:42.800 and I was like, how am I going to fix that? 0:19:43.720 --> 0:19:46.359 It's like, what do you do with that? So I 0:19:46.480 --> 0:19:48.760 realized that that was just opinion because I went back. 0:19:48.760 --> 0:19:50.280 I look back in history and there's a guy in 0:19:50.359 --> 0:19:53.879 nineteen sixty his name was David Jenkins. He was my height, 0:19:54.320 --> 0:19:57.119 and he won the Olympics and three World championships. I go, 0:19:57.200 --> 0:20:00.399 if if David Jenkins can do it, I'll probably be Okay, 0:20:00.800 --> 0:20:03.000 it's it's our you know, it's just somebody's opinion. They 0:20:03.000 --> 0:20:05.679 don't maybe like short skaters. But hopefully she won't be 0:20:05.720 --> 0:20:08.119 on my panel and I'll be able to press on. 0:20:08.200 --> 0:20:11.280 And as it turns out, it was just one judge's opinion. 0:20:11.359 --> 0:20:13.399 And I could have allowed that to, you know, really 0:20:13.520 --> 0:20:15.800 just slay me and knock me down and like I 0:20:15.920 --> 0:20:17.560 might as well quit, you know, But it was one 0:20:17.600 --> 0:20:20.199 of those things where it's just okay, that's good. I 0:20:20.280 --> 0:20:23.720 now know that I have permission to edit what anybody 0:20:23.760 --> 0:20:26.320 tells me, so that I can look at it realistically 0:20:26.320 --> 0:20:28.040 and say, yeah, I need to work on that, or 0:20:28.359 --> 0:20:30.560 that's just somebody's opinion. When you get on social media, 0:20:31.440 --> 0:20:33.400 none of those people would ever say it to your face. 0:20:34.760 --> 0:20:40.080 That's edit number one, finished first Winning changes Everything. 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You know, it's funny. 0:21:48.119 --> 0:21:50.720 I've never Wikipedia to you. Until this, I've only ever 0:21:51.240 --> 0:21:56.080 socially spoken to you. But so Wikipedia and Wikipedia has 0:21:56.119 --> 0:21:58.840 never write about me. So I don't know how right 0:21:58.840 --> 0:22:01.320 Wikipedia is about you. But the only the thing that 0:22:01.359 --> 0:22:03.000 stuck out to me was, and I don't know if 0:22:03.040 --> 0:22:07.119 this is true or not, but you at the first 0:22:07.320 --> 0:22:09.960 World Championships, you felt like five times that true. My 0:22:10.000 --> 0:22:13.040 first Nationals, ever national Yeah, I came in dead last. 0:22:13.359 --> 0:22:15.879 It was it was, you know, because I looked at 0:22:15.880 --> 0:22:19.640 this and went the gold medal winner at one time 0:22:20.200 --> 0:22:23.960 A lot, no, I a lot, a whole bunch. I 0:22:23.119 --> 0:22:27.720 came into um novice my first Nationals. They scheduled the 0:22:27.800 --> 0:22:30.560 novice men, which is the lowest level event that goes 0:22:30.600 --> 0:22:32.960 to Nationals. They scheduled it as the event right before 0:22:33.000 --> 0:22:36.640 the Senior Ladies Championship. And the single most popular woman 0:22:36.680 --> 0:22:39.200 athlete in the world was Janet Lynn and it was 0:22:39.240 --> 0:22:41.439 her last Nationals. So it was standing room only in 0:22:41.480 --> 0:22:44.200 this build. Everybody was there. Everybody was there, and I 0:22:44.240 --> 0:22:46.120 never saw that many people in my life. I grew 0:22:46.160 --> 0:22:48.120 up in a town of fifteen thousand. I skated as 0:22:48.240 --> 0:22:51.359 in a town of two thousand people, and there's seventeen thousand, 0:22:51.359 --> 0:22:54.639 five hundred people in this packed auditorium, and I choked. 0:22:54.680 --> 0:22:56.840 I mean I couldn't even feel my legs. I felt 0:22:56.880 --> 0:22:59.800 five times, came in dead last, and then I thought, okay, 0:22:59.840 --> 0:23:02.000 I'm after I got done crying for like a week, 0:23:02.040 --> 0:23:04.080 I said, I'm gonna go next year. I'm gonna just 0:23:04.080 --> 0:23:06.080 show everybody what I made of. And next year I 0:23:06.160 --> 0:23:09.119 was ninth again, but there were ten guys there. Actually 0:23:09.119 --> 0:23:11.680 get a guy, and so, you know, and I'm killing 0:23:11.680 --> 0:23:13.520 it a novice. You know, might as well move up 0:23:13.520 --> 0:23:15.800 to the junior level because you know, what's the worst 0:23:15.800 --> 0:23:18.080 thing that can happen. I can come in ninth again, right, 0:23:18.680 --> 0:23:20.760 And that summer I got my double axel, which is 0:23:20.800 --> 0:23:23.720 a huge deal, and I actually beat two guys at nationals. 0:23:23.920 --> 0:23:27.080 So I was seventh. That's the best I could do. 0:23:27.280 --> 0:23:29.160 You were seventh, but you were seventh at a higher 0:23:29.200 --> 0:23:32.359 class as well. Well. Yeah, I found a way to 0:23:32.400 --> 0:23:36.600 beat two guys, right, And so, um, the next year, 0:23:36.640 --> 0:23:39.680 my mom was diagnosed with cancer and then she said, UM, 0:23:39.960 --> 0:23:42.280 we're gonna have to stop because we're broke, but we 0:23:42.320 --> 0:23:43.920 can get you through this year. But this is it 0:23:44.119 --> 0:23:47.480 your senior year in high school. Um, you know you 0:23:47.560 --> 0:23:49.919 can go out and just get one more year and 0:23:49.920 --> 0:23:51.680 that's it, and then we have to stop because we're 0:23:51.680 --> 0:23:54.720 out of money. And I said, okay. So my main 0:23:54.800 --> 0:23:57.080 coach retired and a new coach came on board, and 0:23:57.119 --> 0:23:59.480 he was kind of a slave driver in a big, long, 0:23:59.720 --> 0:24:02.520 very painful whip and he would crack it all the time. 0:24:02.560 --> 0:24:04.520 And I just said, I got nothing to lose, I 0:24:04.600 --> 0:24:06.200 might as well listen to this guy, and so I 0:24:06.600 --> 0:24:08.920 did everything he told me to do, and I I 0:24:08.960 --> 0:24:11.800 worked really hard, and about two weeks before the Nationals, 0:24:11.800 --> 0:24:14.240 I landed my first triple and he told me in 0:24:14.280 --> 0:24:17.320 the warm up before the long program, he said, don't um, 0:24:17.680 --> 0:24:19.280 don't do it in warm up. We don't want to 0:24:19.280 --> 0:24:21.640 know if it's there or not. Just throwing the program 0:24:21.640 --> 0:24:25.560 if you feel like so, if you feel like it, 0:24:26.320 --> 0:24:28.720 so you have the option to not even try it. Yeah. 0:24:28.800 --> 0:24:30.280 I mean, I had nothing to lose. It was gonna 0:24:30.280 --> 0:24:33.040 be my last competition ever, and so I figure it's 0:24:33.080 --> 0:24:35.239 my last competition ever, I might as well, and so 0:24:35.280 --> 0:24:37.320 I threw it. And I actually, normally i'd have a 0:24:37.400 --> 0:24:39.520 nice view of the ceiling when I do a jump 0:24:39.560 --> 0:24:42.280 like that, but this time I was standing on one 0:24:42.320 --> 0:24:45.280 foot perfectly landed triple south. Kind I was like, tell 0:24:45.280 --> 0:24:47.920 me about this because you're talking language now that I've seen, 0:24:48.040 --> 0:24:51.480 and they say it, but I'm too uneducated even question 0:24:51.520 --> 0:24:53.840 about it. Well, the triple jump, like it goes up 0:24:53.840 --> 0:24:56.119 from doubles the triple. So doubles are when you rotate 0:24:56.160 --> 0:24:58.600 twice in the air, and then triples are three times 0:24:58.600 --> 0:25:00.560 in the year. So what's the actual of it. The 0:25:00.640 --> 0:25:03.640 axle is only forward takeoffs, so that adds a half 0:25:03.680 --> 0:25:06.159 a revolution to the jump, which makes a little harder. 0:25:06.240 --> 0:25:09.439 So you jump forward, land backward. You always land backwards 0:25:09.480 --> 0:25:11.600 three and a half the Yeah, the jumps are always 0:25:11.680 --> 0:25:14.080 the same in the air and they always land the same, 0:25:14.080 --> 0:25:16.320 so nobody can tell the difference between the jumps. It's 0:25:16.359 --> 0:25:19.520 the takeoff that makes them different, either backward or forward. 0:25:19.600 --> 0:25:23.360 And the axle you start forward and land backward. And 0:25:23.440 --> 0:25:26.960 so to land a triple axle, yeah, three and a 0:25:26.960 --> 0:25:30.360 half turns. That's hard, is it not? Anymore? I mean 0:25:30.359 --> 0:25:31.639 the guys you know, I mean, you can't even get 0:25:31.640 --> 0:25:34.440 out of juniors without a triple axle. It's now it's 0:25:34.520 --> 0:25:38.000 quads um four times four times. And there's guys that 0:25:38.040 --> 0:25:41.119 can do almost every takeoff the quad. There's six different 0:25:41.119 --> 0:25:43.520 takeoffs and each one of them has its own challenges. 0:25:43.640 --> 0:25:45.399 When you were landing your triple, though, is that was 0:25:45.440 --> 0:25:48.719 that a huge deal to the entire community. It was. 0:25:49.160 --> 0:25:50.840 It was kind of where a lot of the guys 0:25:50.840 --> 0:25:54.040 in the event we're doing triples. But I was able 0:25:54.080 --> 0:25:55.720 to kind of entertain a little bit, and I was 0:25:55.840 --> 0:25:58.040 I was probably a little bit better with handling music 0:25:58.160 --> 0:26:01.600 and all in all this clueless about most things. In 0:26:01.600 --> 0:26:03.639 that competition, I landed the triple sund I got to 0:26:03.720 --> 0:26:06.040 the rest of the program clean, and I won Junior Nationals. 0:26:07.000 --> 0:26:10.600 So the year before and then you want and so 0:26:10.680 --> 0:26:12.920 you get to stay, you get a sponsor. That what 0:26:13.480 --> 0:26:16.800 happened was coach saw that I was um winning junior 0:26:16.880 --> 0:26:18.719 Nationals and he goes, I can get I can get 0:26:18.800 --> 0:26:20.439 him a sponsor if he'll come to coach with me 0:26:21.040 --> 0:26:23.320 or take from me. And so the coach that year 0:26:23.480 --> 0:26:26.199 coach Dorothy Hamill and John Curry to Olympic gold medals. 0:26:26.240 --> 0:26:29.560 So I was in pretty good hands. So I just 0:26:29.640 --> 0:26:31.800 moved to Denver. I was sponsored. I turned eighteen that 0:26:31.880 --> 0:26:34.480 summer and the next year was my first year on 0:26:34.520 --> 0:26:37.000 the senior level, and I returned to my old days 0:26:37.000 --> 0:26:39.440 of glory. I wiped up the ice and then came 0:26:39.440 --> 0:26:43.520 in ninth, and uh, what was bad about that was 0:26:43.560 --> 0:26:45.399 that was the last time my mom ever saw me skate. 0:26:46.280 --> 0:26:48.840 And so the morning that I lost her, and she 0:26:48.960 --> 0:26:50.560 was I mean everything to me. She was the center 0:26:50.600 --> 0:26:53.760 of my universe everything. I love this woman. Um. I 0:26:53.880 --> 0:26:56.159 just decided that from then on I was going to 0:26:56.240 --> 0:26:58.320 honor her sacrifice and I was going to be the 0:26:58.400 --> 0:27:00.760 person that she thought I could be. And so I 0:27:00.800 --> 0:27:04.160 took her with me wherever I went. I was always 0:27:04.160 --> 0:27:06.760 accountable to her, and if I was on the ice, 0:27:06.800 --> 0:27:09.760 I worked every harder than I've ever worked. And UM 0:27:09.880 --> 0:27:14.200 ended up getting a really difficult triple um that summer 0:27:14.240 --> 0:27:17.879 that I was so horrific um the previous nationals and 0:27:17.920 --> 0:27:20.000 I went from a ninth the Nationals to third at 0:27:20.080 --> 0:27:22.919 Nationals and then eleventh in the world, and then two 0:27:23.000 --> 0:27:26.119 years later I'm on the Olympic team. So when you 0:27:26.160 --> 0:27:28.680 won the gold, was that your first Olympics? Eighty four? 0:27:29.359 --> 0:27:32.200 And okay, so eight So I came in fifth, So okay, 0:27:32.440 --> 0:27:34.440 that was a finished first for me. That's what I 0:27:34.440 --> 0:27:35.760 was gonna add. So you go to the Olympics and 0:27:35.840 --> 0:27:38.400 eighty like that's gotta be a thing. You know, you're 0:27:38.400 --> 0:27:40.479 talking about your mom, that's gotta be a thing too, 0:27:40.560 --> 0:27:44.399 where you're like, man, like, you just did well, did you? 0:27:45.600 --> 0:27:48.000 And in fifth? Little did you know? Four years now 0:27:48.119 --> 0:27:50.080 I wanted to be eight. I thought if I if 0:27:50.119 --> 0:27:52.520 I came in eighth, that's a win. That's like gigantic. 0:27:52.520 --> 0:27:54.639 How many guys are there? Uh? And I don't even 0:27:54.680 --> 0:27:56.880 remember I was the third guy to three men us 0:27:56.960 --> 0:27:59.760 teams eighth. What was significant about the eighth? You know? 0:27:59.800 --> 0:28:01.720 I just I did the math and I looked at 0:28:01.760 --> 0:28:03.320 all the other skaters, and I thought, if I could 0:28:03.320 --> 0:28:05.399 beat just enough guys, I could come in eighth. I 0:28:05.560 --> 0:28:08.800 never anticipated coming in fifth ever. And then I went 0:28:08.800 --> 0:28:11.040 to Worlds. Right after that, I came in fifth again, 0:28:11.359 --> 0:28:15.520 and so um A month month later, I woke up 0:28:15.520 --> 0:28:18.800 to have breakfast and the top three guys all retired. 0:28:19.280 --> 0:28:20.880 So all I had to do is wake up one 0:28:20.880 --> 0:28:24.280 morning and I'm rank second in the world and rom 0:28:24.359 --> 0:28:26.440 then on it was like, Okay, what do I gotta 0:28:26.480 --> 0:28:29.760 do in order to win? And that was you hate 0:28:29.760 --> 0:28:32.160 compulsory figures. You have to fall in love with your 0:28:32.160 --> 0:28:34.760 weakest element. It was only like I like doing half 0:28:34.760 --> 0:28:37.240 the job. I didn't like doing the other half at all, UM, 0:28:37.240 --> 0:28:39.120 And so I just got to work. And I fell 0:28:39.160 --> 0:28:40.920 in love with compulsory figures. And I don't know what 0:28:41.880 --> 0:28:43.840 they're like, the figure eights, like if you always see 0:28:43.840 --> 0:28:46.480 those figure eights, like when you see people tracing things, 0:28:46.560 --> 0:28:48.280 I can you know, I don't. They don't even really 0:28:48.320 --> 0:28:50.920 exist anymore. But back then that was kind of the 0:28:50.960 --> 0:28:53.640 foundation of all skating. And they're boring because all you 0:28:53.680 --> 0:28:57.840 do is you trace circles for hours. And I hated 0:28:57.840 --> 0:29:00.160 it because it wasn't fun, and so I just had 0:29:00.200 --> 0:29:02.560 to make it a contest with myself and and I 0:29:02.640 --> 0:29:05.600 ended up getting pretty good at figures, and I ended 0:29:05.680 --> 0:29:09.600 up from October nineteen eighty until March of I never 0:29:09.640 --> 0:29:13.959 lost a competition because I figured it out. You figured 0:29:14.040 --> 0:29:18.200 what out? I figured out how to prepare myself to win. 0:29:19.080 --> 0:29:21.520 And and that was after a lot of beta testing 0:29:21.560 --> 0:29:24.920 and losing. You know, my coach was the perfect coach. 0:29:25.040 --> 0:29:28.040 I ended up leaving that um the Olympic champion coach, 0:29:28.040 --> 0:29:31.000 and going to an unknown coach pretty much in Philadelphia, 0:29:31.160 --> 0:29:33.960 and he packaged me and he taught me how to 0:29:34.200 --> 0:29:36.760 discipline myself, and he taught me how to be accountable, 0:29:36.760 --> 0:29:38.880 and he taught me how to show up every day 0:29:38.880 --> 0:29:42.840 with a real um path to winning. And Um, that 0:29:42.920 --> 0:29:45.360 summer I won my first international competition. That I went 0:29:45.400 --> 0:29:48.080 to the Olympics, and then from then on I just 0:29:48.360 --> 0:29:52.120 never lost. Tell me about not so much winning the gold. 0:29:52.200 --> 0:29:54.360 But after you win the gold and you come back home, 0:29:54.800 --> 0:29:58.160 are you famous? Then? Well, you know, here's the deal. 0:29:58.160 --> 0:29:59.920 When I was on my way to Sarajebo, I was 0:30:00.000 --> 0:30:03.080 in Chicago airport and I was reading because we had 0:30:03.080 --> 0:30:05.040 a long day over and I was just like reading 0:30:05.080 --> 0:30:07.520 to kind of relax, and I lost track of time. 0:30:07.520 --> 0:30:10.000 I was like, oh my god. I was like like 0:30:10.520 --> 0:30:12.760 half a concourse away from my gate, and I got 0:30:12.800 --> 0:30:14.560 up and I asked a guy walk and I go, 0:30:15.040 --> 0:30:17.040 what time is it? Can you tell me times? And 0:30:17.080 --> 0:30:19.280 he goes and he just dissed me and walked away, 0:30:19.280 --> 0:30:21.280 and I was like, Okay, that was unpleasant. I can't 0:30:21.280 --> 0:30:23.480 get the time of day on my way to the Olympics. 0:30:23.720 --> 0:30:26.720 It's really rough. And then on the way back, UM, 0:30:27.120 --> 0:30:30.760 I was in baggage claim UM and I ended up 0:30:31.000 --> 0:30:34.520 getting stuck there for two hours signing autographs that quick, no, 0:30:34.720 --> 0:30:37.840 it's overnight. And and then I went back to Denver 0:30:38.080 --> 0:30:41.640 the next day and um, there was a parade through 0:30:41.680 --> 0:30:44.840 downtown Denver and ended up being in Larmer Square. Five 0:30:44.880 --> 0:30:47.240 thousand people were in Larmer Square to welcome you back 0:30:47.280 --> 0:30:52.280 from parade. It's no, it's crazy, it's it was insane. 0:30:52.680 --> 0:30:57.440 So life changes that quickly. The director of the telecast 0:30:57.520 --> 0:31:01.000 for ABC was one of the original um My World 0:31:01.000 --> 0:31:03.040 of Sports guys. You know, his name is Doug Wilson. 0:31:03.080 --> 0:31:05.360 And he said, oh, by the way, your life is 0:31:05.400 --> 0:31:08.480 completely different. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, 0:31:08.520 --> 0:31:11.000 I got it all right. And I went home and 0:31:11.200 --> 0:31:13.120 sure enough, I you know, i'd want all those years 0:31:13.160 --> 0:31:15.000 and nothing really and then I come back from the 0:31:15.000 --> 0:31:18.440 Olympics and it's like, oh man, this is really different. 0:31:18.680 --> 0:31:21.080 So when you come back and now you're famous, do 0:31:21.160 --> 0:31:22.800 you start to make a little more money when you 0:31:22.840 --> 0:31:24.440 come back, because the people were going, hey, we want 0:31:24.440 --> 0:31:26.360 to give you a deal, a car, that kind of stuff. Well, 0:31:26.480 --> 0:31:29.000 I was broke, like broke. I was living in one 0:31:29.040 --> 0:31:32.080 of my my best friend's parents basement, you know, because 0:31:32.080 --> 0:31:33.280 I didn't have any money, and they just sort of 0:31:33.320 --> 0:31:36.280 looked after me. And then, um, I got a first 0:31:36.320 --> 0:31:39.360 thing was I got an endorsement opportunity for Coca Cola, 0:31:39.560 --> 0:31:42.480 and I didn't really want to miss the World Championships. 0:31:42.480 --> 0:31:45.040 And if I took the endorsement, I realized that that's money. 0:31:45.520 --> 0:31:48.600 Titles are forever. Money is like it goes really fast. 0:31:49.120 --> 0:31:51.440 So I said no to Coca Cola. You can't take money, 0:31:51.480 --> 0:31:54.160 because then you can't. That was then you can now, 0:31:54.560 --> 0:31:57.080 but then then you can't. Couldn't then. So I decided 0:31:57.080 --> 0:31:58.920 to go to the World because I figured if I 0:31:59.000 --> 0:32:01.400 went a fourth World Idol and if I do it 0:32:01.400 --> 0:32:04.200 in Canada against you know, my biggest competitor, then you know, 0:32:04.240 --> 0:32:06.480 I can kind of like, you know, okay, I'm done. 0:32:07.000 --> 0:32:09.760 And um. My first job was with the Ice Capades 0:32:10.080 --> 0:32:12.720 and I was with them for two years. They went 0:32:12.760 --> 0:32:15.560 through a sale and uh, the new owner didn't want 0:32:15.560 --> 0:32:19.480 any guy skaters and so I was let go. So 0:32:19.720 --> 0:32:22.560 you can work, you just can't take money. That was 0:32:22.640 --> 0:32:25.040 during the Olympics. I turned pro right after the World 0:32:25.120 --> 0:32:28.640 Championships that that March. I I went pretty much from 0:32:28.640 --> 0:32:31.920 Worlds to a press conference where I said I'm retiring 0:32:31.960 --> 0:32:35.240 and I'm i'm I'm I'm up forbid. If anybody wants me, 0:32:35.280 --> 0:32:37.520 And at that point there wasn't any guys making money 0:32:37.520 --> 0:32:40.080 and skating, so I had to kind of figure it out. 0:32:40.240 --> 0:32:42.200 And I had a really good agent, UM. He was 0:32:42.200 --> 0:32:46.080 with IMG and he I signed with him because I 0:32:46.120 --> 0:32:48.320 liked him, because I thought he was pretty humble guy. 0:32:48.640 --> 0:32:51.880 But he was also representing UM Chris Everett and my 0:32:51.960 --> 0:32:55.200 favorite athlete in the world, Bjorn Borg. He was representing him, 0:32:55.200 --> 0:32:59.520 and I go, can I meet him? Yes? Absolutely, You're 0:32:59.600 --> 0:33:03.520 my guy. I don't. I just loved his temperament. I 0:33:03.600 --> 0:33:06.400 loved how he always won, and UM, I just there 0:33:06.440 --> 0:33:09.040 was something about him that was just allowed me to 0:33:09.160 --> 0:33:11.480 be calm, cool and collected when I competed, you know, 0:33:11.480 --> 0:33:13.320 because he was kind of a great role model that way. 0:33:13.360 --> 0:33:15.280 It's like you don't have to get all crazy, you 0:33:15.400 --> 0:33:18.840 just do your job. And so UM I signed with 0:33:18.880 --> 0:33:21.720 Bob and then he he did really well and giving 0:33:21.760 --> 0:33:25.200 me some of UM giving me some work. And then 0:33:25.240 --> 0:33:27.959 when I was like from Ice Capades, Bob and I 0:33:28.000 --> 0:33:30.160 sat down and he goes, what do you want to do? 0:33:30.400 --> 0:33:32.719 And I go, let me take my calendar. But they 0:33:32.840 --> 0:33:35.560 let you go. They fired you from Yeah because they 0:33:35.560 --> 0:33:39.320 didn't want any mail skaters. They didn't want a gold 0:33:39.400 --> 0:33:41.760 medal ska. Did you cost too much though? Was that 0:33:41.840 --> 0:33:43.440 just their thing? Like we don't but really it was like, 0:33:43.440 --> 0:33:45.920 well paying too much? Well, you know, they offered me 0:33:46.200 --> 0:33:50.200 one week of shows in Minneapolis, which is the new 0:33:50.240 --> 0:33:54.800 owner's hometown, for one fifth what I was making. And 0:33:54.840 --> 0:33:56.640 I said, I don't really think that's a good idea 0:33:56.640 --> 0:33:59.040 because I got this other opportunity to build a tour. 0:33:59.520 --> 0:34:03.040 It's my tour and um, and he goes, where's your loyalty? 0:34:03.320 --> 0:34:07.320 It's like, oh, good question. So I started a show 0:34:07.320 --> 0:34:10.600 called Stars on Ice and it's still going. I mean 0:34:10.920 --> 0:34:16.160 it was great you started Stars on Ice. Yeah, that 0:34:16.280 --> 0:34:18.080 was a lot of hard work. It was I was 0:34:18.160 --> 0:34:20.719 unloading trucks when crews didn't show up, and I was 0:34:20.840 --> 0:34:24.320 I was doing everything possible to keep this thing alive. Wow, 0:34:24.400 --> 0:34:26.799 So you started that and it runs, it's doing its 0:34:26.800 --> 0:34:29.279 thing now. Yeah. I don't own it. I just started it. 0:34:29.400 --> 0:34:30.920 I founded it with I am G. I m G 0:34:31.080 --> 0:34:34.719 doesn't really partner with clients, so um, I said, you know, hey, 0:34:34.760 --> 0:34:35.880 just give me half the show and you don't have 0:34:35.920 --> 0:34:37.880 to pay me anything till it's profitable. And they're like, no, 0:34:38.000 --> 0:34:41.000 we don't really want to do that. And it's still out, 0:34:41.040 --> 0:34:44.280 it's still going. I just hosted the NBC television special 0:34:44.360 --> 0:34:46.640 Stars in Ice in Orlando about a month ago, and 0:34:46.680 --> 0:34:49.080 it's a really good show. I'm really proud of the skaters. 0:34:49.200 --> 0:34:52.160 I was reading as I was watching the Olympics. Because 0:34:52.200 --> 0:34:54.399 I grew up in Arkansas. We had a brief winter. 0:34:54.520 --> 0:34:56.759 There was no hockey, and I grew up very poor. 0:34:56.800 --> 0:34:59.399 There was no ice anything, you know, And unless you're 0:34:59.400 --> 0:35:02.360 in a region and where the ice already exists, it 0:35:02.640 --> 0:35:04.400 cost a lot of money to get to ice, if 0:35:04.440 --> 0:35:07.080 that makes sense. Like if I lived in Colorado, I 0:35:07.080 --> 0:35:09.560 wouldn't need to be rich to ski. But because I 0:35:09.560 --> 0:35:11.200 lived in Arkansas, you had to be rich to ski. 0:35:11.719 --> 0:35:16.360 You aren't getting It's called access barriers. Huge access barrier. 0:35:16.480 --> 0:35:18.560 So I didn't know anything. And and I'm learning about 0:35:18.600 --> 0:35:21.239 hockey because the preads over the last five or six years. 0:35:21.800 --> 0:35:25.920 I'm learning, and I'm watching the that that the Winter Olympics, 0:35:26.719 --> 0:35:29.319 and I'm watching the ice skating And what was there 0:35:29.400 --> 0:35:31.520 drama with you and the new broadcast team they were 0:35:31.520 --> 0:35:36.200 making into a whole story. Know what happened? Was um, 0:35:36.239 --> 0:35:39.320 this reporter from the New York Times. Um sat me 0:35:39.400 --> 0:35:42.680 down and at the US Figure Skating Championships in San 0:35:42.760 --> 0:35:44.759 Jose and she goes, I want to know how you 0:35:44.760 --> 0:35:47.600 feel about this change. Because I was the lead analyst 0:35:47.680 --> 0:35:53.920 for NBC for four Olympics and three with NBCO. So UM, 0:35:54.000 --> 0:35:57.799 when Johnny and Tara we did all this stuff in Sochi, Um, 0:35:57.880 --> 0:36:02.759 they just you know, Johnny was really being our but 0:36:02.960 --> 0:36:06.000 it got to be such a huge deal that they're like, oh, yeah, 0:36:06.000 --> 0:36:07.920 we need to bring those guys up. And so when 0:36:07.960 --> 0:36:09.640 I left so chi I thought I'm done. I'm never 0:36:09.640 --> 0:36:12.600 gonna do another Olympics. And then they they reached out 0:36:12.640 --> 0:36:15.480 and they said, um, we're gonna move you out of 0:36:15.560 --> 0:36:19.120 the lead commentary position and we're gonna bring them up. 0:36:19.320 --> 0:36:21.560 And I go I figured that was going to happen. 0:36:21.600 --> 0:36:24.120 I'm a smart guy, can see where the tides are going. 0:36:24.600 --> 0:36:27.319 And um, and I go well, and they go, we 0:36:27.360 --> 0:36:30.120 want to keep you and I go, oh why, and 0:36:30.160 --> 0:36:32.239 they go, well, because you know you've done a good 0:36:32.280 --> 0:36:34.000 job for us, we want to keep you around. And 0:36:34.080 --> 0:36:37.440 so the the New York Times reporter was trying to 0:36:37.640 --> 0:36:39.719 she we talked for a long time. She was grilling me, 0:36:39.760 --> 0:36:41.479 and she was waiting for me to crack and say 0:36:41.520 --> 0:36:43.520 this is a horrible thing, and I'm just like going, 0:36:43.680 --> 0:36:46.680 you know what, it's I'm there by their invitation. It's 0:36:46.680 --> 0:36:49.640 not my job, it's their's to give. And you know what, 0:36:49.680 --> 0:36:51.200 when they told me I wasn't gonna be the lead 0:36:51.239 --> 0:36:53.480 analyst anymore, for about ten minutes, I was kind of 0:36:53.520 --> 0:36:56.960 like morning, you know, kind of what was and and 0:36:57.000 --> 0:37:01.439 after that it's like, all right, let's suh, Let's see 0:37:01.440 --> 0:37:04.759 what happens next. And so they brought me to UM 0:37:04.800 --> 0:37:07.400 every nationals from there on to be kind of like 0:37:07.440 --> 0:37:11.360 the voice of I don't know, historical perspective or whatever, 0:37:11.480 --> 0:37:13.239 or to get to the heart of with what the 0:37:13.280 --> 0:37:16.400 competition was. And then UM I went to the Olympics 0:37:16.400 --> 0:37:19.200 and they gave me an hour long pregame show called 0:37:19.239 --> 0:37:22.000 Olympic Ice on NBCSN and it was a blast and 0:37:22.040 --> 0:37:23.600 I loved it. And I got to go to the 0:37:23.600 --> 0:37:26.040 events and watch and not have to be under the 0:37:26.040 --> 0:37:28.200 pressure of having to come up with things to say, 0:37:28.200 --> 0:37:30.080 and it was really great to be able to appreciate 0:37:30.480 --> 0:37:32.399 that and be able to talk about it the next day. 0:37:32.480 --> 0:37:35.920 So you know, it's change is gonna happen. It's just 0:37:36.440 --> 0:37:39.080 like it's much drama as Twitter. Because I was reading it, 0:37:39.160 --> 0:37:40.759 I was like, dry, you know, I don't know enough 0:37:40.760 --> 0:37:43.120 about it. Like I said, I don't know enough about 0:37:43.239 --> 0:37:47.240 the feet the Winter Olympics. That doesn't sound as dramatic 0:37:47.239 --> 0:37:49.520 as they try to make the well. And then with 0:37:49.800 --> 0:37:52.680 the New York Times article was you know I was 0:37:52.719 --> 0:37:55.440 demoted and don't feel sorry for me, and that was 0:37:55.480 --> 0:37:58.680 basically I said. I go, I'm I'm great. I'm just 0:37:58.800 --> 0:38:01.040 I get to be in another Olympic. So I did 0:38:01.080 --> 0:38:04.520 this last Olympics and I was on NBCs N and 0:38:04.640 --> 0:38:07.000 you know, the audience there is much smaller because it's 0:38:07.040 --> 0:38:10.960 a it's a cable kind of situation. And um, one 0:38:10.960 --> 0:38:12.520 of the guys that was kind of with us was 0:38:12.520 --> 0:38:14.480 one of the NBC executives that goes, we're not allowed 0:38:14.480 --> 0:38:17.000 to talk to telling about ratings, and I go, well, 0:38:17.040 --> 0:38:18.319 you don't have to. I don't want to know. I 0:38:18.320 --> 0:38:20.160 don't really care. It doesn't that's kind of gonna change 0:38:20.200 --> 0:38:22.240 my job at all. I'm gonna do the same work. 0:38:22.320 --> 0:38:26.480 And he goes, you're doing five times bigger rating than 0:38:26.560 --> 0:38:30.880 any show that's ever been on this network. And it's like, okay, 0:38:31.920 --> 0:38:37.000 what that that, Okay, what do you do with that? Yeah, 0:38:37.040 --> 0:38:39.719 I mean it's like nothing. And I thought, well, that's 0:38:39.760 --> 0:38:42.000 really nice. People are and you know, we're at least 0:38:42.000 --> 0:38:44.640 not underperforming, you know, and so that's good. So we 0:38:44.760 --> 0:38:47.520 just did our job and then about him Matt. Three 0:38:47.520 --> 0:38:49.560 weeks after I got back, I got a call from 0:38:49.640 --> 0:38:51.440 NBC and they want me to do another four years. 0:38:51.719 --> 0:38:54.920 Wow is that right? Yeah? So, I mean it's it's like, 0:38:55.480 --> 0:38:58.400 you don't know, it doesn't always have to be exactly 0:38:58.440 --> 0:39:01.160 the way it always was for it to be enjoyable. 0:39:01.200 --> 0:39:03.919 I had a blast in peng Cheng. I really did. 0:39:03.960 --> 0:39:06.799 I love my work. All I did was work, you know. 0:39:06.880 --> 0:39:09.440 I I would do the event in the morning, I 0:39:10.040 --> 0:39:12.560 do the show and then watch the event, and then I, 0:39:12.760 --> 0:39:15.120 um go to practice and watch some practices, and I 0:39:15.160 --> 0:39:16.719 go back grabbed in and then go to my room 0:39:16.719 --> 0:39:19.560 and watch YouTube videos, go through all the protocols of 0:39:19.560 --> 0:39:21.959 all the marks they've got an all year, right down, 0:39:22.400 --> 0:39:25.279 every note, go over the show format, go to bed 0:39:26.200 --> 0:39:29.080 was my existence at the Olympics, and it was awesome 0:39:29.120 --> 0:39:31.920 because when I first got there and um, it was 0:39:32.000 --> 0:39:34.680 kind of wild. I was panicking. I couldn't sleep because 0:39:34.719 --> 0:39:36.960 I don't know enough stuff, Like I don't know. There's 0:39:36.960 --> 0:39:38.960 no way in the world I'm gonna be labeled to 0:39:39.000 --> 0:39:41.200 fraud because I don't know enough stuff to get through 0:39:41.239 --> 0:39:43.759 an hour of television every day for a month. And 0:39:43.800 --> 0:39:46.680 then I looked over and my book was because I 0:39:46.680 --> 0:39:49.080 took it to kind of start promoting it, my book 0:39:49.120 --> 0:39:52.120 was like sitting up staring right at me, and it's like, yeah, 0:39:52.160 --> 0:39:55.719 I get to work. So I got to work, and 0:39:55.760 --> 0:39:58.080 it was I used everything that I put in the book, 0:39:58.080 --> 0:40:00.680 and it was like it works, Like it got me 0:40:00.719 --> 0:40:03.280 through that Olympics really well, and I got another four years. 0:40:03.719 --> 0:40:05.320 Let me talk about one of our sponsors here for 0:40:05.400 --> 0:40:08.960 a second. So here's this. If there's a vulnerability, cyber 0:40:09.040 --> 0:40:13.480 crooks can find it. 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Does that make you nervous that 0:41:15.160 --> 0:41:17.319 North Korea is just right at the time, and you 0:41:17.360 --> 0:41:20.040 know that the news has got attentions and well, the 0:41:20.080 --> 0:41:24.360 thing is is, yeah, if you're here, the news tells 0:41:24.400 --> 0:41:28.080 you that, you know, like and going into socci Jack 0:41:28.120 --> 0:41:30.680 and Jill, the terrorists are going to disrupt the Olympics. 0:41:30.719 --> 0:41:34.280 People are going to die. I was scared to death, 0:41:34.440 --> 0:41:37.240 and then I got there and I looked around, It's like, okay, 0:41:37.239 --> 0:41:39.480 we're good. You know what, it's the same thing with 0:41:40.040 --> 0:41:42.520 you know what our security was at the it called 0:41:42.600 --> 0:41:45.520 the Coastal Cluster, and the Coastal Cluster was all the 0:41:45.560 --> 0:41:51.720 indoor buildings for curling, speed skating, UM, figure skating, UM hockey. 0:41:51.760 --> 0:41:53.560 They were all on this big cluster with a couple 0:41:53.560 --> 0:41:56.440 of sponsor houses and in a big superstore and that 0:41:56.520 --> 0:42:00.000 was the Coastal Cluster. And then all the television, UH 0:42:00.120 --> 0:42:02.839 trucks and everything to cover the event that was all 0:42:02.840 --> 0:42:06.120 on this this Coastal cluster. So going through security every 0:42:06.120 --> 0:42:09.000 single morning, we had to go in through bag and 0:42:09.040 --> 0:42:13.720 mag type of thing. And our security was three college girls. 0:42:14.960 --> 0:42:18.960 That's like my kind of security there. But it's like 0:42:19.000 --> 0:42:23.640 there was no no dogs, no like you know, there 0:42:23.719 --> 0:42:26.359 was no snipers on the roofs, and it was just 0:42:26.440 --> 0:42:28.720 the opposite of what we would expect about what we're seeing. 0:42:28.719 --> 0:42:31.080 And the North Koreans were everywhere. Everywhere you looked, you 0:42:31.080 --> 0:42:34.120 saw the North Korean cheerleaders. The little pair team that 0:42:34.200 --> 0:42:39.120 was from North Korea were so warmly um appreciated by 0:42:39.160 --> 0:42:41.520 the audience and they were really good. And then they 0:42:41.640 --> 0:42:44.720 marched in together under the same flag. How much trouble 0:42:44.760 --> 0:42:47.279 are we gonna have here? Really? I mean, come on, 0:42:48.560 --> 0:42:51.359 none like And it's almost the point where now I 0:42:51.440 --> 0:42:54.799 can't even watch news anymore. I just can't because I 0:42:54.880 --> 0:42:57.759 just there's nothing real about it. It's just it's it's 0:42:57.760 --> 0:43:00.160 almost like they're trying to hook You remember the old 0:43:00.160 --> 0:43:04.400 soap operas. Did you ever watching those old Yeah, So 0:43:04.520 --> 0:43:06.480 back in the day when I was training, I would 0:43:06.760 --> 0:43:09.279 I would go from seven in the morning until about noon, 0:43:09.560 --> 0:43:11.239 and then I go make myself lunch, and then i'd 0:43:11.280 --> 0:43:13.479 watch a couple hours of soap operas to relax because 0:43:13.480 --> 0:43:16.360 I was resting for the night stuff. And you know, 0:43:16.400 --> 0:43:18.759 I would realize that i'd leave to go to competition, 0:43:18.960 --> 0:43:20.319 and I go, oh, I hate to miss this week 0:43:20.320 --> 0:43:22.120 because there was so much that's gonna happen. And I 0:43:22.200 --> 0:43:25.799 came back and it was, oh, nothing happened. And it's 0:43:25.800 --> 0:43:28.160 the same with the recycle. It's like, you know, you 0:43:28.239 --> 0:43:30.240 come back and it's like, oh, yeah, they're still talking 0:43:30.239 --> 0:43:33.200 about that and nothing's really changed. So I don't really 0:43:33.400 --> 0:43:35.560 I don't wait or waste my time anymore, you know, 0:43:35.560 --> 0:43:37.839 because it's it's all meant to kind of. Also, if 0:43:37.880 --> 0:43:41.680 you watch like CNN or MSNBC, or Fox. They all 0:43:41.719 --> 0:43:43.799 have a different point of view and you have to 0:43:43.800 --> 0:43:46.600 have a radical opinion and that's it. And I don't 0:43:46.600 --> 0:43:49.960 have a radical opinions. I have opinions, but they're not radical. 0:43:50.480 --> 0:43:53.120 And if you're not just upset, it's almost like you 0:43:53.160 --> 0:43:55.120 don't have a voice, like the voices that are heard, 0:43:55.120 --> 0:43:58.160 the ones that are I'm so left, I'm so right. 0:43:58.440 --> 0:44:00.640 That's all there is that exists, and you feel like 0:44:00.680 --> 0:44:02.040 you have to be a part of that, and it 0:44:02.080 --> 0:44:05.080 brings people to it. Like I see people gravitate to 0:44:05.680 --> 0:44:08.520 the polar side because they feel like they're supposed to 0:44:08.560 --> 0:44:10.680 be on a side, and I'm going, you don't have 0:44:10.719 --> 0:44:13.319 to do that. I'm not like that. Like I live 0:44:13.400 --> 0:44:15.719 here and I'll go to West Coast to New York 0:44:15.840 --> 0:44:20.200 and all the it's a completely different population, a completely 0:44:20.200 --> 0:44:24.440 different point of view, a completely different sensitive me. It's like, Wow, 0:44:24.480 --> 0:44:27.080 this this is really happening in this country and there's 0:44:27.080 --> 0:44:29.400 no reason, you know. It's like when I was in Sochi, 0:44:29.520 --> 0:44:31.680 we went to lunch at this really expensive place. It 0:44:31.760 --> 0:44:33.400 was on the mountain. You had one day to go 0:44:33.480 --> 0:44:35.440 up to the mountain. We went up. We found this restaurant. 0:44:35.440 --> 0:44:37.799 It was the restaurant to go to, and it was 0:44:37.840 --> 0:44:40.239 me and one of the lead producers from NBC, and 0:44:40.280 --> 0:44:42.080 then next to us was three Russian guys and a 0:44:42.160 --> 0:44:44.360 Korean guy and it was a Korean guy's fiftieth birthday. 0:44:44.400 --> 0:44:47.200 So they're all and the Russian guy we're talking these 0:44:47.280 --> 0:44:49.960 big personalities, big burly guy. And he goes, let me 0:44:49.960 --> 0:44:52.799 ask you something. And when you were a little boy, 0:44:52.960 --> 0:44:54.759 we're about same age, right, And I I think so, 0:44:54.840 --> 0:44:57.400 And he goes, did they teach you to fear us Russians? 0:44:57.560 --> 0:45:00.279 And all I could think of was duck and hover, 0:45:00.640 --> 0:45:05.080 you know, yeah? And I go, yeah, I did pretty much. 0:45:05.120 --> 0:45:07.000 He goes, When I was a little boy, a right, 0:45:07.200 --> 0:45:09.840 probably seem like you. They with bells would ring and 0:45:09.840 --> 0:45:12.080 the teachers would scream it as get down in the basement. 0:45:12.120 --> 0:45:15.279 The Americans are coming to destroy us. He goes, isn't 0:45:15.280 --> 0:45:18.279 it amazing that you and I and just minutes can 0:45:18.320 --> 0:45:21.960 become friends and our leaders act like children. And I 0:45:22.040 --> 0:45:26.520 was like, oh, bing, you know, it's so I don't 0:45:26.560 --> 0:45:30.120 want to get political or anything. Yeah, it's it's meant 0:45:30.160 --> 0:45:34.040 to um. It's to you know, kind of dopamine and 0:45:34.080 --> 0:45:36.160 all that other stuff. And the colors that you all that, 0:45:36.239 --> 0:45:38.520 and you know, it's kind of it seems like I 0:45:38.560 --> 0:45:40.960 don't know, I none of it. It just seems so 0:45:41.000 --> 0:45:44.160 funny to me that I can't participate. I just can't. 0:45:44.480 --> 0:45:46.800 It makes me tired too, because everyone wants my opinion 0:45:46.840 --> 0:45:49.680 on things. I just did this long, three four hour 0:45:49.719 --> 0:45:52.680 interview with the magazine to say, how do you feel politically? 0:45:52.719 --> 0:45:55.560 And I have no problem talking about my politics. People 0:45:55.600 --> 0:45:57.359 just don't come to me from my politics like there's 0:45:57.360 --> 0:45:59.640 a there's a difference if you want to have it, 0:45:59.719 --> 0:46:02.040 and if you want to ask me like, I will 0:46:02.080 --> 0:46:03.600 tell you, but I'm not gonna get on my radio 0:46:03.640 --> 0:46:05.680 show and say. And so they say, hey, did you 0:46:05.760 --> 0:46:07.359 vote for Donald Trump? And I said I did not. 0:46:07.480 --> 0:46:09.160 I said, but I think he's done some things that 0:46:09.200 --> 0:46:10.400 are good and I also think he's other things that 0:46:10.400 --> 0:46:12.480 aren't good. And they were just shocked that someone could 0:46:12.520 --> 0:46:16.239 say both things inside the same paragraph. I said that 0:46:16.360 --> 0:46:18.720 musician will never just be No one's gonna be perfect 0:46:18.800 --> 0:46:20.120 or awful. And I said, I think he's done some 0:46:20.440 --> 0:46:23.560 fantastic some really terrible things, but who is perfect? And 0:46:23.719 --> 0:46:26.480 that's my point. And they were so stunned that I 0:46:26.480 --> 0:46:30.080 didn't just jump on one side and go her or whoo. 0:46:30.600 --> 0:46:32.719 They're like, wow, no one either they don't talk about it, 0:46:32.840 --> 0:46:35.200 or they pick a side. No one ever goes. You know, 0:46:35.280 --> 0:46:39.800 actually there's some duality in this and you know it's 0:46:40.040 --> 0:46:43.120 um I mean, it's crazy. And that's why all I 0:46:43.160 --> 0:46:45.560 really want to do is encourage people. And you are Mr. 0:46:45.600 --> 0:46:47.799 I'm gonna tell you, tell when you're not here. You're 0:46:47.840 --> 0:46:52.319 so inspirational. You come in this show or just let's 0:46:52.320 --> 0:46:55.200 say Amy's Kitchen and we talk. I leave from talking 0:46:55.239 --> 0:46:58.239 to you, and I'm like, man, I'm so inspired you. 0:46:58.840 --> 0:47:01.600 And not just because of your story, but when you 0:47:01.600 --> 0:47:03.880 were a kid, how old were you did you have 0:47:03.920 --> 0:47:07.040 an illness? You couldn't diagnose it, and you didn't you 0:47:07.040 --> 0:47:10.000 didn't grow. I didn't grow for about four years. So 0:47:10.080 --> 0:47:13.600 what was that? Well, you know, they couldn't figure it out, 0:47:13.600 --> 0:47:15.120 and they couldn't figure it out, and then I started 0:47:15.120 --> 0:47:18.600 skating and then all the all of the symptoms went away. 0:47:18.760 --> 0:47:22.400 And then in two thousand four, I had cancer in 0:47:22.520 --> 0:47:25.240 ninety seven, which was chemo and surgery and all that stuff. 0:47:25.480 --> 0:47:27.279 And then in two thousand and four, I'm diagnosed with 0:47:27.320 --> 0:47:30.439 a brain tumor. It's like, oh, come on, I did. 0:47:30.520 --> 0:47:32.560 I did the other thing, right, so as a kid, 0:47:32.760 --> 0:47:35.160 and then you get pesticular cancer and then you get 0:47:35.160 --> 0:47:37.879 a brain tumor. Right, so um, I joked that I'm 0:47:37.920 --> 0:47:40.799 gonna be much much more well known for my my 0:47:41.320 --> 0:47:43.560 collection of life threatening illness than I ever did anything 0:47:43.560 --> 0:47:45.960 on the ice. Right. But here's the crazy thing was 0:47:46.040 --> 0:47:48.000 when they went in they did the biops. You have 0:47:48.040 --> 0:47:49.680 to dig a hole in your skull and go through 0:47:49.760 --> 0:47:52.120 and take a piece. And they came back and they 0:47:52.120 --> 0:47:56.280 handed my wife Um all the information on the brain tumor, 0:47:56.400 --> 0:47:59.840 and my Tracy goes, oh, listen to this. Cranio fringio 0:48:00.080 --> 0:48:03.239 was are usually detected early in a child's life. I 0:48:03.280 --> 0:48:05.880 was born with a sprain tumor due to a lack 0:48:06.040 --> 0:48:09.640 of growth and development. And so it's like, see you now, 0:48:09.680 --> 0:48:13.080 if you live long enough, all questions will be figured out. 0:48:13.840 --> 0:48:15.840 So they're all trying to go why did it stop? 0:48:16.280 --> 0:48:19.160 And maybe it was when I crashed Gary Walker's bike 0:48:19.239 --> 0:48:21.719 into the telephone pole. Maybe I just, you know, the 0:48:21.760 --> 0:48:24.400 brain tumor just got pummeled or something. I don't know, 0:48:24.480 --> 0:48:27.960 you know, it's just we don't know how things happened. 0:48:28.000 --> 0:48:30.880 But for those years that I I skated, I didn't 0:48:30.920 --> 0:48:33.600 have any of the symptoms anymore. But the second I stopped, 0:48:33.640 --> 0:48:36.360 the brain tumor showed itself. And it was like, wow, 0:48:36.400 --> 0:48:39.279 that's crazy. And so the last time you were here, 0:48:39.320 --> 0:48:42.160 I think you had been maybe read two thousand sixteen. 0:48:42.320 --> 0:48:45.399 It's many a year and a half. Did they rediagnosed 0:48:45.440 --> 0:48:49.000 that they found? Yeah, there's another one. Yeah, two thousand 0:48:49.040 --> 0:48:52.719 four was radiation. It came back in two thousand ten surgery, 0:48:53.280 --> 0:48:55.520 and then it came back in two thousand and sixteen. 0:48:55.800 --> 0:48:58.640 Do we have a pattern here? You know? It's like, yeah, 0:48:58.960 --> 0:49:01.359 this is gonna be every dingy years. But this time 0:49:01.560 --> 0:49:03.279 I just sort of tapped the brakes and I just said, 0:49:03.280 --> 0:49:05.480 you know what, I just something in me is just 0:49:05.520 --> 0:49:07.440 telling me to get strong. And I didn't know if 0:49:07.440 --> 0:49:10.760 it was physical, mental, emotional, spiritual. I had no idea. 0:49:10.800 --> 0:49:13.640 So I decided, yes, I'm gonna get strong every way 0:49:13.680 --> 0:49:16.480 I possibly can get strong, and and I just cut 0:49:16.480 --> 0:49:18.680 out things in my diet. I added some things that 0:49:18.719 --> 0:49:21.960 were more you know, healthy, and and I just, you know, 0:49:22.000 --> 0:49:24.360 I just got to work. And I went back for 0:49:24.400 --> 0:49:28.920 the first scan and they they said it it hasn't grown, 0:49:29.239 --> 0:49:32.279 and I'm like, wow, that's miraculous, and I go, I'm 0:49:32.280 --> 0:49:34.080 gonna keep doing what I'm doing. So I kept doing 0:49:34.120 --> 0:49:36.959 what I was doing. I went back months later and 0:49:37.160 --> 0:49:41.920 they pulled me in. They go, um, it's shrunk, and 0:49:42.000 --> 0:49:46.960 I go, as has one ever shrunk before without treatment? 0:49:47.120 --> 0:49:51.399 And they go no, And I go, can you explain that? 0:49:51.640 --> 0:49:55.120 And they go, god, I don't know, and I go, okay, 0:49:55.120 --> 0:49:59.240 it's good enough for me. So um it was wild. 0:49:59.440 --> 0:50:03.440 I mean, I just was. And my endochronologists had the 0:50:03.480 --> 0:50:06.960 same brain tumor as me, taken out the same surgery, 0:50:07.080 --> 0:50:10.279 same surgeon, everything. When she was fourteen, only became an 0:50:10.320 --> 0:50:13.000 end of chronologist because she was underserved. And my first 0:50:13.080 --> 0:50:15.680 visit with her, she changed all my meds and I 0:50:15.719 --> 0:50:18.720 felt like a normal person in four days. It was perfect. 0:50:18.719 --> 0:50:20.719 It was unbelievable. And I called her and I go, 0:50:20.760 --> 0:50:23.240 have you ever heard of a crania fingeroma shrinking without treatment? 0:50:23.320 --> 0:50:27.000 She goes, no, okay. Then I went on the Doctorage 0:50:27.000 --> 0:50:28.960 show and I'm like talking to him and I go, 0:50:29.000 --> 0:50:30.640 you don want a crania French Joma's right? He goes, 0:50:30.680 --> 0:50:32.480 of course I do. I go, have you ever heard 0:50:32.520 --> 0:50:36.640 of one that shrank? Without treatment, he goes never So 0:50:36.680 --> 0:50:40.040 then I went back months later and it shrunk again. 0:50:41.480 --> 0:50:44.400 It's insane. No one can explain it. But it's like, 0:50:44.480 --> 0:50:46.920 I'm so grateful that I get a pass, like I 0:50:46.920 --> 0:50:49.239 don't have to deal with it, like I haven't. It's 0:50:49.280 --> 0:50:51.520 it's really invasive and it's your brain, right, so you 0:50:51.560 --> 0:50:54.480 don't want anybody touching it. And uh so I'm just 0:50:54.719 --> 0:50:59.240 you know, just trying to stay in my lane and 0:50:59.239 --> 0:51:01.880 and um, you know again, trying to be light and 0:51:02.000 --> 0:51:05.120 encourage people and and do the best I can to 0:51:05.160 --> 0:51:10.520 advance UM cancer research and and to do good while 0:51:10.520 --> 0:51:13.640 I'm here. You know, i'd much really do that then 0:51:13.800 --> 0:51:17.000 you know anything else. You know, I've got a great wife, 0:51:17.040 --> 0:51:20.560 I've got phenomenal healthy kids, and um, if I if 0:51:20.600 --> 0:51:22.160 this is something I have to take on so they 0:51:22.160 --> 0:51:25.680 don't get it, I'm okay with that too. So um 0:51:25.719 --> 0:51:28.840 you know here we are. So tell me, after you 0:51:29.520 --> 0:51:32.839 come out of your first brain surgery, do you start 0:51:32.880 --> 0:51:34.759 to go, let me see what I feel. Do I 0:51:34.760 --> 0:51:37.479 feel the same? Do I I know? I I knew 0:51:38.080 --> 0:51:42.320 um first because what happens with radiation is they pretty 0:51:42.400 --> 0:51:45.399 much radiation goes through your whole brain and I really 0:51:45.400 --> 0:51:47.520 feel like sometimes I'm in a fog, you know, I 0:51:47.560 --> 0:51:50.279 had chemo, and the chemo brain from that, you know, 0:51:50.280 --> 0:51:53.200 where you can't remember things, and you know, I'll be 0:51:53.239 --> 0:51:55.839 talking about somebody I've known for twenty years and it's like, oh, 0:51:55.880 --> 0:51:58.879 what's his name, name name, and I'll do that right, 0:51:59.480 --> 0:52:02.080 and so I remember, you know, kind of how I 0:52:02.120 --> 0:52:06.239 was before radiation. And I feel like I've lost more 0:52:06.239 --> 0:52:09.120 than a step, you know, but I'm still here and 0:52:09.160 --> 0:52:12.480 that's great. And I'm still doing the work to advance 0:52:13.360 --> 0:52:15.759 the science so that you know, there isn't so much 0:52:15.760 --> 0:52:18.880 collateral damage as the status quo, you know. And so 0:52:18.920 --> 0:52:22.600 that's why you know Cares is Cares. That's my cancer foundation. 0:52:22.680 --> 0:52:25.279 I'm gonna continue to do the work until you know, 0:52:25.360 --> 0:52:28.480 we can find enough science to change the game. And 0:52:28.480 --> 0:52:31.719 and right now there's enough science out there that you know, 0:52:31.920 --> 0:52:35.600 it's the the game is being changed. You know. Cart therapy, 0:52:35.640 --> 0:52:39.640 which is a immunotherapy, is working on lymphoma, and we 0:52:39.719 --> 0:52:44.160 just need to create more for every kind of cancer. Mr. Inspiration, 0:52:44.280 --> 0:52:47.560 That's why I call you never to your face. It's 0:52:47.880 --> 0:52:50.160 someone call you something behind your back that's better than 0:52:50.160 --> 0:52:51.960 what they would call you to your face. I've been 0:52:51.960 --> 0:52:55.400 calling a lot of things to my face. Man. Okay, 0:52:55.400 --> 0:52:59.040 so the book, check out the book finished first, Winning 0:52:59.160 --> 0:53:02.360 changes every thing. The true story is when I started 0:53:02.360 --> 0:53:03.719 your book, I had to stop because I was writing 0:53:03.760 --> 0:53:06.160 my book, and I was like, were too similar? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:53:06.560 --> 0:53:08.879 computer virus. You can't. Yeah, you put it down, You'll 0:53:08.880 --> 0:53:10.279 pick stuff up. And I do this in stand up. 0:53:10.280 --> 0:53:11.600 You'll pick stuff off and not know you picked it 0:53:11.680 --> 0:53:15.000 up until someone goes, oh, that's similar to go no, 0:53:15.120 --> 0:53:18.040 it's not the sequel. You go, oh it is. So 0:53:18.200 --> 0:53:20.279 I didn't put it down. No, no, no no, it's good. 0:53:20.480 --> 0:53:22.920 But I'm done now, so now I can get back 0:53:22.960 --> 0:53:24.600 to it. But I did have to stop, and I 0:53:24.600 --> 0:53:26.000 would be honest with you, I would say I finish 0:53:26.040 --> 0:53:28.560 it in lof That was a great ted talk. Thanks. 0:53:28.760 --> 0:53:32.399 You know, I just feel like I've only learned because 0:53:32.400 --> 0:53:36.839 I've lost a lot. You know. You tell your stories 0:53:36.840 --> 0:53:38.919 about falling. I feel like that's, you know, my whole life, 0:53:38.920 --> 0:53:41.359 and people see the glamor of it all and go, oh, 0:53:41.480 --> 0:53:43.880 you're good at something, so you're at the top. No way, man, 0:53:43.920 --> 0:53:47.120 do you know how many times I saw all the times, 0:53:47.160 --> 0:53:50.279 all the time, like winning is not glamorous. The only 0:53:50.320 --> 0:53:51.719 part of glamor is that you get to see the 0:53:51.719 --> 0:53:54.600 Instagram picture or the on TV part or that you know, 0:53:54.719 --> 0:53:57.879 and so, but if you're rooted in that, you know, 0:53:58.040 --> 0:54:00.839 if you're rooted in that the idea that this came 0:54:00.840 --> 0:54:04.319 out of a lot of that, it has so much 0:54:04.320 --> 0:54:07.000 more value, you know, because you work through it, you 0:54:07.000 --> 0:54:10.240 didn't give up, you didn't allow your conditions to knock 0:54:10.280 --> 0:54:15.200 you down, and stronger once we get to maintain, you know, 0:54:15.239 --> 0:54:16.920 it's like some of these kids, these viral kids, with 0:54:17.000 --> 0:54:18.600 these people that get on a TV show with all 0:54:18.600 --> 0:54:20.600 of a sudden they're thrust up and they didn't put 0:54:20.600 --> 0:54:22.640 all It's not the fact that they didn't put the 0:54:22.680 --> 0:54:25.080 work into get there, it's that they don't have the 0:54:25.160 --> 0:54:28.800 work ethic embedded into them to continue at that level 0:54:29.880 --> 0:54:31.640 more so than it is well and then you know 0:54:31.719 --> 0:54:33.759 all the other stuff. You know. I tell people all 0:54:33.760 --> 0:54:37.399 the time that we're wired for challenge much more than 0:54:37.520 --> 0:54:40.360 good fortune, you know, because I've seen so many people 0:54:40.920 --> 0:54:43.520 that are, you know, given really a horrific situations and 0:54:43.560 --> 0:54:46.560 they rise up and they're better than it's stronger, more 0:54:46.600 --> 0:54:48.520 in touch and everything they've ever been. And then you 0:54:48.560 --> 0:54:50.960 see people that come across great fortune all at once, 0:54:51.120 --> 0:54:53.000 you know, whether it being an entertainment or winning the 0:54:53.040 --> 0:54:55.640 lottery or whatever, and all of a sudden, all these 0:54:55.680 --> 0:54:58.359 demons come flying out and they're doing things that they 0:54:58.400 --> 0:55:02.160 never could have imagined doing back when they were, you know, 0:55:02.239 --> 0:55:04.879 fighting so hard to you know, kind of just stay alive. So, 0:55:05.400 --> 0:55:07.960 you know, I I'll encourage anybody that's going through it 0:55:08.040 --> 0:55:11.399 right now. I mean, if you're really struggling, you're way 0:55:11.440 --> 0:55:14.200 better off than if you're just at that at you know, 0:55:14.560 --> 0:55:16.800 standing on the podium shaking your fast right now, without 0:55:16.800 --> 0:55:20.560 all that other stuff that allows you to be fortified 0:55:20.640 --> 0:55:23.600 for that moment, Because once you at that moment, man, 0:55:23.600 --> 0:55:27.319 it changes everything. You know. I agree, I couldn't do 0:55:27.360 --> 0:55:29.920 what I do now at the level and with the 0:55:29.960 --> 0:55:32.600 sincerity that I do it now without all the crap 0:55:32.680 --> 0:55:35.239 that happened to be before, and without me being able 0:55:35.239 --> 0:55:36.759 to have the sincerity that I have, I wouldn't be 0:55:36.800 --> 0:55:39.120 able to maintain it. So I'm grateful. What I used 0:55:39.160 --> 0:55:41.839 to look at as a setback, I now see as 0:55:41.840 --> 0:55:44.759 a strength because I go, oh, what was me? You know, 0:55:46.480 --> 0:55:48.720 you know, my mom died early was by my grandma 0:55:48.880 --> 0:55:51.719 was adopted like you know, like you oh, I feel bad, 0:55:51.880 --> 0:55:54.120 but then you go, do you know all the strength 0:55:54.160 --> 0:55:59.480 I've gathered from that, And that's why I'm staying where 0:55:59.520 --> 0:56:02.040 I am. And it's made me a better person. Do 0:56:02.040 --> 0:56:04.680 you know, have you ever heard of Barry Gibbs first 0:56:04.719 --> 0:56:08.439 fame thing? So from from the Barry GiB the last 0:56:08.480 --> 0:56:11.640 remaining brother of the bgs. Uh. You know, he just said, 0:56:12.120 --> 0:56:17.120 first fame. If you can survive first fame, you're gonna 0:56:17.160 --> 0:56:21.919 be great. It's just getting through that first taste of 0:56:22.360 --> 0:56:24.600 all that coming at you. If you can survive that, 0:56:25.080 --> 0:56:27.200 you're probably gonna be okay. And I was blessed that 0:56:27.239 --> 0:56:29.000 when I came home from that Olympics, you know, I 0:56:29.160 --> 0:56:32.000 get the parade and all this other stuff. The government, 0:56:32.600 --> 0:56:35.400 the government, the governor of Colorado called me into his 0:56:35.440 --> 0:56:37.120 office and I thought it was, you know, in my 0:56:37.200 --> 0:56:38.959 jacket and tie, I thought it was a photo op, 0:56:39.040 --> 0:56:41.319 you know. And I walk in and there was a 0:56:41.400 --> 0:56:43.239 guy in the office with him, and he goes, um, 0:56:43.320 --> 0:56:45.759 just wait outside, I'm just gonna talk to Scott. And 0:56:45.760 --> 0:56:49.600 he gave me a lecture on hometown hero syndrome. He said, 0:56:49.800 --> 0:56:51.120 you know, I go, what is that and he goes, 0:56:51.160 --> 0:56:53.719 it's when you're the captain of the quarterback of the 0:56:53.800 --> 0:56:56.160 high school football team and you throw that strike into 0:56:56.200 --> 0:56:58.320 the end zone to win the state championship, and everybody 0:56:58.400 --> 0:57:00.680 carries you off the field and their should yours, and 0:57:00.760 --> 0:57:03.720 you expect the rest of your life to be that way. 0:57:03.920 --> 0:57:06.240 He says, I don't want that to happen to you. 0:57:06.640 --> 0:57:09.080 I just want to make you aware of it. Enjoy 0:57:09.120 --> 0:57:12.120 the fruits of your labor, enjoy everything that comes to you. 0:57:12.160 --> 0:57:13.879 But I want you to know that it will end 0:57:13.960 --> 0:57:16.480 some day, and when it doesn't, want you to be 0:57:16.520 --> 0:57:19.600 prepared for it, and I want to. I just think 0:57:19.640 --> 0:57:22.200 about what a generous gift that was at that time 0:57:22.200 --> 0:57:24.840 of my life, and it's like wow, I think about 0:57:24.880 --> 0:57:27.640 that all the time. It's like, yeah, all just go 0:57:27.680 --> 0:57:31.000 away in a heartbeat, all of it. And that's okay, 0:57:31.080 --> 0:57:33.520 because that's so that's supposed to be my journey. But 0:57:33.520 --> 0:57:35.760 I'm gonna work as hard as I can to do 0:57:35.840 --> 0:57:39.240 everything I can until that moment happens. We shall say 0:57:39.280 --> 0:57:44.440 no more. I shall leave inspired yet again. Scott, It's 0:57:44.440 --> 0:57:46.440 always a pleasure of mind. You're a good man. Thanks 0:57:46.440 --> 0:57:48.760 for doing this, Thanks for having me. Are you kidding me. 0:57:48.800 --> 0:57:50.760 I haven't tried to get you off for we've been 0:57:50.880 --> 0:57:53.160 bouncing and you're out of town. I'm out of town, 0:57:53.160 --> 0:57:54.960 like I've been looking forward this one for months. We've 0:57:54.960 --> 0:57:57.280 been trieding to this for months. Well, you know, let 0:57:57.320 --> 0:57:59.800 me know how I can help you in any way. 0:58:00.040 --> 0:58:06.880 A perform and I'm you know, I'm here to serve alright, 0:58:06.960 --> 0:58:11.040 Scott Hamilton's check out the book finished first and uh wow, 0:58:11.040 --> 0:58:13.840 wow wow, there you go. There you got another episode. 0:58:14.040 --> 0:58:15.640 I appreciate your time. There's a good that's an hour. 0:58:15.720 --> 0:58:18.400 We did an hour. Look look at us. How are 0:58:18.400 --> 0:58:22.920 you gonna edit that? There's no there's no editing? Right up? 0:58:22.960 --> 0:58:24.440 All right, thank you. We'll see you next time on 0:58:24.480 --> 0:58:25.040 the Bodycast