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Speaker 1: I welcome to episode one sixteen of the Bobby Cast.

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Speaker 1: This guest is Scott Hamilton's who won the Olympic gold back.

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Speaker 1: We talked about adopting and by the way, A Namy

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Speaker 1: doing the pre show before. Well, but yeah, and we

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Speaker 1: talked about you in this coming up podcast because his

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Speaker 1: wife is your mentor. Yes, because they adopted two older

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Speaker 1: kids from Haiti, and so did we, so they've been

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Speaker 1: a huge help to us. So not only is it

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Speaker 1: super inspirational, but it gets really cool too because we're talking.

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Speaker 1: We start talking about I don't want to ruin it,

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Speaker 1: but when he came back, he's, like he said, overnight

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Speaker 1: he was nobody who he came back from the Olympics

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Speaker 1: and then his five thousand people waiting for him. It's crazy.

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Speaker 1: So Scott Hamilton's uh. And the first time I knew

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Speaker 1: of Scott Hamilton, I wasn't alive. I guess I wasn't alive,

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Speaker 1: but I was little. I don't know him from that,

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Speaker 1: but I know him from something else, and that's what

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Speaker 1: I told him. You'll see, you'll hear it. This is

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Speaker 1: episode one sixteen of the Bobby Cast. He has a

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Speaker 1: book called Finished First, Winning Changes Everything. Other Podcas has

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Speaker 1: to check out include Velvet's Edge with Kelly Henderson, her

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Speaker 1: latest episodes, up with Amy, which is why I have

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Speaker 1: Amy here. You guys can talk about all kinds of

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Speaker 1: stuff on Everything Bobby, Yes, you want disgust, There we go.

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Speaker 1: There's also Good Company with Jaco and Jake's got a podcast,

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Speaker 1: Uh He's got a funny with his mom, and then

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Speaker 1: geeking Out with Christian Bush. Upcoming guests of this here

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Speaker 1: include Kimberly Slatman from a Little Big Town, Jason al Dean, writer,

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Speaker 1: Jesse Fraser, Ashley Gorley. Yeah, it's like if somebody else

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Speaker 1: to it forgetting that's coming as a that's a big deal. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of people come by. So

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Speaker 1: there you go. This is episode one sixteen. Tell your

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Speaker 1: friends about the Bobby Cast if you like it. This

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Speaker 1: is Scott Hamilton's all right, Welcome to another episode of

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Speaker 1: the Bobby Cast with Scott Hamilton's someone that you know.

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Speaker 1: It's been cool for me getting to know you over

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Speaker 1: the past couple of years. You've been on the show

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Speaker 1: a couple of times. You were introducing into my personal

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Speaker 1: life through Amy, yes, and through her adoption process, because

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Speaker 1: she calls your wife her mentor. You know, yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: almost like sister in crime. You know, it's it's a

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Speaker 1: you know, just the enormity of what international adoption is,

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Speaker 1: especially in Haiti. I mean, man, that's a that's a

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Speaker 1: complicated place. We were talking about this morning. Amy and

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Speaker 1: and she was like, yeah, Tracy's my mentor. She's been

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Speaker 1: first time I heard Amy describe her as that. I

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Speaker 1: knew that you guys have helped and that's how I've

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Speaker 1: like that, especially you know, um, Amy and Ben went

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Speaker 1: if if David Jenkins can do it, I'll probably be Okay,

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Speaker 1: it's it's our you know, it's just somebody's opinion. They

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Speaker 1: And as it turns out, it was just one judge's opinion.

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Speaker 1: And I could have allowed that to, you know, really

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Speaker 1: I have some things that I pulled. You know, it's funny.

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Speaker 1: I've never Wikipedia to you. Until this, I've only ever

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Speaker 1: socially spoken to you. But so Wikipedia and Wikipedia has

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Speaker 1: never write about me. So I don't know how right

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Speaker 1: Wikipedia is about you. But the only the thing that

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Speaker 1: stuck out to me was, and I don't know if

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Speaker 1: this is true or not, but you at the first

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Speaker 1: World Championships, you felt like five times that true. My

468
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Speaker 1: first Nationals, ever national Yeah, I came in dead last.

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Speaker 1: It was it was, you know, because I looked at

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Speaker 1: this and went the gold medal winner at one time

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Speaker 1: A lot, no, I a lot, a whole bunch. I

472
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Speaker 1: came into um novice my first Nationals. They scheduled the

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Speaker 1: novice men, which is the lowest level event that goes

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Speaker 1: to Nationals. They scheduled it as the event right before

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Speaker 1: the Senior Ladies Championship. And the single most popular woman

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Speaker 1: athlete in the world was Janet Lynn and it was

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Speaker 1: her last Nationals. So it was standing room only in

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Speaker 1: this build. Everybody was there. Everybody was there, and I

479
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Speaker 1: never saw that many people in my life. I grew

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Speaker 1: up in a town of fifteen thousand. I skated as

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Speaker 1: in a town of two thousand people, and there's seventeen thousand,

482
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Speaker 1: five hundred people in this packed auditorium, and I choked.

483
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Speaker 1: I mean I couldn't even feel my legs. I felt

484
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Speaker 1: five times, came in dead last, and then I thought, okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm after I got done crying for like a week,

486
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Speaker 1: I said, I'm gonna go next year. I'm gonna just

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Speaker 1: show everybody what I made of. And next year I

488
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Speaker 1: was ninth again, but there were ten guys there. Actually

489
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Speaker 1: get a guy, and so, you know, and I'm killing

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Speaker 1: it a novice. You know, might as well move up

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Speaker 1: to the junior level because you know, what's the worst

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Speaker 1: thing that can happen. I can come in ninth again, right,

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Speaker 1: And that summer I got my double axel, which is

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Speaker 1: a huge deal, and I actually beat two guys at nationals.

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Speaker 1: So I was seventh. That's the best I could do.

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Speaker 1: You were seventh, but you were seventh at a higher

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Speaker 1: class as well. Well. Yeah, I found a way to

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Speaker 1: beat two guys, right, And so, um, the next year,

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Speaker 1: my mom was diagnosed with cancer and then she said, UM,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna have to stop because we're broke, but we

501
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Speaker 1: can get you through this year. But this is it

502
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Speaker 1: your senior year in high school. Um, you know you

503
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Speaker 1: can go out and just get one more year and

504
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Speaker 1: that's it, and then we have to stop because we're

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Speaker 1: out of money. And I said, okay. So my main

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Speaker 1: coach retired and a new coach came on board, and

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Speaker 1: he was kind of a slave driver in a big, long,

508
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Speaker 1: very painful whip and he would crack it all the time.

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Speaker 1: And I just said, I got nothing to lose, I

510
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Speaker 1: might as well listen to this guy, and so I

511
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Speaker 1: did everything he told me to do, and I I

512
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Speaker 1: worked really hard, and about two weeks before the Nationals,

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Speaker 1: I landed my first triple and he told me in

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Speaker 1: the warm up before the long program, he said, don't um,

515
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Speaker 1: don't do it in warm up. We don't want to

516
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Speaker 1: know if it's there or not. Just throwing the program

517
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Speaker 1: if you feel like so, if you feel like it,

518
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Speaker 1: so you have the option to not even try it. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I had nothing to lose. It was gonna

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Speaker 1: be my last competition ever, and so I figure it's

521
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Speaker 1: my last competition ever, I might as well, and so

522
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Speaker 1: I threw it. And I actually, normally i'd have a

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Speaker 1: nice view of the ceiling when I do a jump

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Speaker 1: like that, but this time I was standing on one

525
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Speaker 1: foot perfectly landed triple south. Kind I was like, tell

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Speaker 1: me about this because you're talking language now that I've seen,

527
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Speaker 1: and they say it, but I'm too uneducated even question

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Speaker 1: about it. Well, the triple jump, like it goes up

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Speaker 1: from doubles the triple. So doubles are when you rotate

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Speaker 1: twice in the air, and then triples are three times

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Speaker 1: in the year. So what's the actual of it. The

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Speaker 1: axle is only forward takeoffs, so that adds a half

533
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Speaker 1: a revolution to the jump, which makes a little harder.

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Speaker 1: So you jump forward, land backward. You always land backwards

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Speaker 1: three and a half the Yeah, the jumps are always

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Speaker 1: the same in the air and they always land the same,

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Speaker 1: so nobody can tell the difference between the jumps. It's

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Speaker 1: the takeoff that makes them different, either backward or forward.

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Speaker 1: And the axle you start forward and land backward. And

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Speaker 1: so to land a triple axle, yeah, three and a

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Speaker 1: half turns. That's hard, is it not? Anymore? I mean

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Speaker 1: the guys you know, I mean, you can't even get

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Speaker 1: out of juniors without a triple axle. It's now it's

544
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Speaker 1: quads um four times four times. And there's guys that

545
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Speaker 1: can do almost every takeoff the quad. There's six different

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Speaker 1: takeoffs and each one of them has its own challenges.

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Speaker 1: When you were landing your triple, though, is that was

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Speaker 1: that a huge deal to the entire community. It was.

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Speaker 1: It was kind of where a lot of the guys

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Speaker 1: in the event we're doing triples. But I was able

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Speaker 1: to kind of entertain a little bit, and I was

552
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Speaker 1: I was probably a little bit better with handling music

553
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Speaker 1: and all in all this clueless about most things. In

554
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Speaker 1: that competition, I landed the triple sund I got to

555
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Speaker 1: the rest of the program clean, and I won Junior Nationals.

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Speaker 1: So the year before and then you want and so

557
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Speaker 1: you get to stay, you get a sponsor. That what

558
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Speaker 1: happened was coach saw that I was um winning junior

559
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Speaker 1: Nationals and he goes, I can get I can get

560
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Speaker 1: him a sponsor if he'll come to coach with me

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Speaker 1: or take from me. And so the coach that year

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Speaker 1: coach Dorothy Hamill and John Curry to Olympic gold medals.

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Speaker 1: So I was in pretty good hands. So I just

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Speaker 1: moved to Denver. I was sponsored. I turned eighteen that

565
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Speaker 1: summer and the next year was my first year on

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Speaker 1: the senior level, and I returned to my old days

567
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Speaker 1: of glory. I wiped up the ice and then came

568
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Speaker 1: in ninth, and uh, what was bad about that was

569
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Speaker 1: that was the last time my mom ever saw me skate.

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Speaker 1: And so the morning that I lost her, and she

571
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Speaker 1: was I mean everything to me. She was the center

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Speaker 1: of my universe everything. I love this woman. Um. I

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Speaker 1: just decided that from then on I was going to

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Speaker 1: honor her sacrifice and I was going to be the

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Speaker 1: person that she thought I could be. And so I

576
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Speaker 1: took her with me wherever I went. I was always

577
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Speaker 1: accountable to her, and if I was on the ice,

578
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 1: I worked every harder than I've ever worked. And UM

579
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 1: ended up getting a really difficult triple um that summer

580
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Speaker 1: that I was so horrific um the previous nationals and

581
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Speaker 1: I went from a ninth the Nationals to third at

582
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Speaker 1: Nationals and then eleventh in the world, and then two

583
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Speaker 1: years later I'm on the Olympic team. So when you

584
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Speaker 1: won the gold, was that your first Olympics? Eighty four?

585
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Speaker 1: And okay, so eight So I came in fifth, So okay,

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Speaker 1: that was a finished first for me. That's what I

587
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Speaker 1: was gonna add. So you go to the Olympics and

588
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,400
Speaker 1: eighty like that's gotta be a thing. You know, you're

589
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,479
Speaker 1: talking about your mom, that's gotta be a thing too,

590
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 1: where you're like, man, like, you just did well, did you?

591
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Speaker 1: And in fifth? Little did you know? Four years now

592
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Speaker 1: I wanted to be eight. I thought if I if

593
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Speaker 1: I came in eighth, that's a win. That's like gigantic.

594
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Speaker 1: How many guys are there? Uh? And I don't even

595
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:56,880
Speaker 1: remember I was the third guy to three men us

596
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Speaker 1: teams eighth. What was significant about the eighth? You know?

597
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Speaker 1: I just I did the math and I looked at

598
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Speaker 1: all the other skaters, and I thought, if I could

599
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Speaker 1: beat just enough guys, I could come in eighth. I

600
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Speaker 1: never anticipated coming in fifth ever. And then I went

601
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Speaker 1: to Worlds. Right after that, I came in fifth again,

602
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Speaker 1: and so um A month month later, I woke up

603
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Speaker 1: to have breakfast and the top three guys all retired.

604
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Speaker 1: So all I had to do is wake up one

605
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Speaker 1: morning and I'm rank second in the world and rom

606
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 1: then on it was like, Okay, what do I gotta

607
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Speaker 1: do in order to win? And that was you hate

608
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Speaker 1: compulsory figures. You have to fall in love with your

609
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Speaker 1: weakest element. It was only like I like doing half

610
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Speaker 1: the job. I didn't like doing the other half at all, UM,

611
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Speaker 1: And so I just got to work. And I fell

612
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 1: in love with compulsory figures. And I don't know what

613
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 1: they're like, the figure eights, like if you always see

614
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Speaker 1: those figure eights, like when you see people tracing things,

615
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Speaker 1: I can you know, I don't. They don't even really

616
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Speaker 1: exist anymore. But back then that was kind of the

617
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 1: foundation of all skating. And they're boring because all you

618
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Speaker 1: do is you trace circles for hours. And I hated

619
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Speaker 1: it because it wasn't fun, and so I just had

620
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Speaker 1: to make it a contest with myself and and I

621
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Speaker 1: ended up getting pretty good at figures, and I ended

622
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 1: up from October nineteen eighty until March of I never

623
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Speaker 1: lost a competition because I figured it out. You figured

624
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 1: what out? I figured out how to prepare myself to win.

625
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 1: And and that was after a lot of beta testing

626
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 1: and losing. You know, my coach was the perfect coach.

627
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 1: I ended up leaving that um the Olympic champion coach,

628
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Speaker 1: and going to an unknown coach pretty much in Philadelphia,

629
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Speaker 1: and he packaged me and he taught me how to

630
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 1: discipline myself, and he taught me how to be accountable,

631
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Speaker 1: and he taught me how to show up every day

632
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Speaker 1: with a real um path to winning. And Um, that

633
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 1: summer I won my first international competition. That I went

634
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Speaker 1: to the Olympics, and then from then on I just

635
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Speaker 1: never lost. Tell me about not so much winning the gold.

636
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Speaker 1: But after you win the gold and you come back home,

637
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Speaker 1: are you famous? Then? Well, you know, here's the deal.

638
00:29:58,160 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: When I was on my way to Sarajebo, I was

639
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 1: in Chicago airport and I was reading because we had

640
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 1: a long day over and I was just like reading

641
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 1: to kind of relax, and I lost track of time.

642
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god. I was like like

643
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 1: half a concourse away from my gate, and I got

644
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 1: up and I asked a guy walk and I go,

645
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 1: what time is it? Can you tell me times? And

646
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 1: he goes and he just dissed me and walked away,

647
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 1: and I was like, Okay, that was unpleasant. I can't

648
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 1: get the time of day on my way to the Olympics.

649
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 1: It's really rough. And then on the way back, UM,

650
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 1: I was in baggage claim UM and I ended up

651
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 1: getting stuck there for two hours signing autographs that quick, no,

652
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 1: it's overnight. And and then I went back to Denver

653
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 1: the next day and um, there was a parade through

654
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: downtown Denver and ended up being in Larmer Square. Five

655
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 1: thousand people were in Larmer Square to welcome you back

656
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 1: from parade. It's no, it's crazy, it's it was insane.

657
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: So life changes that quickly. The director of the telecast

658
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: for ABC was one of the original um My World

659
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: of Sports guys. You know, his name is Doug Wilson.

660
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 1: And he said, oh, by the way, your life is

661
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 1: completely different. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah,

662
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 1: I got it all right. And I went home and

663
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 1: sure enough, I you know, i'd want all those years

664
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 1: and nothing really and then I come back from the

665
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 1: Olympics and it's like, oh man, this is really different.

666
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: So when you come back and now you're famous, do

667
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 1: you start to make a little more money when you

668
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 1: come back, because the people were going, hey, we want

669
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 1: to give you a deal, a car, that kind of stuff. Well,

670
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 1: I was broke, like broke. I was living in one

671
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: of my my best friend's parents basement, you know, because

672
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 1: I didn't have any money, and they just sort of

673
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: looked after me. And then, um, I got a first

674
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: thing was I got an endorsement opportunity for Coca Cola,

675
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 1: and I didn't really want to miss the World Championships.

676
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 1: And if I took the endorsement, I realized that that's money.

677
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 1: Titles are forever. Money is like it goes really fast.

678
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 1: So I said no to Coca Cola. You can't take money,

679
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 1: because then you can't. That was then you can now,

680
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 1: but then then you can't. Couldn't then. So I decided

681
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: to go to the World because I figured if I

682
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 1: went a fourth World Idol and if I do it

683
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 1: in Canada against you know, my biggest competitor, then you know,

684
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 1: I can kind of like, you know, okay, I'm done.

685
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 1: And um. My first job was with the Ice Capades

686
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 1: and I was with them for two years. They went

687
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 1: through a sale and uh, the new owner didn't want

688
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: any guy skaters and so I was let go. So

689
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: you can work, you just can't take money. That was

690
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: during the Olympics. I turned pro right after the World

691
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 1: Championships that that March. I I went pretty much from

692
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: Worlds to a press conference where I said I'm retiring

693
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 1: and I'm i'm I'm I'm up forbid. If anybody wants me,

694
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 1: And at that point there wasn't any guys making money

695
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 1: and skating, so I had to kind of figure it out.

696
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: And I had a really good agent, UM. He was

697
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 1: with IMG and he I signed with him because I

698
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 1: liked him, because I thought he was pretty humble guy.

699
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 1: But he was also representing UM Chris Everett and my

700
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 1: favorite athlete in the world, Bjorn Borg. He was representing him,

701
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: and I go, can I meet him? Yes? Absolutely, You're

702
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: my guy. I don't. I just loved his temperament. I

703
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: loved how he always won, and UM, I just there

704
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: was something about him that was just allowed me to

705
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 1: be calm, cool and collected when I competed, you know,

706
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 1: because he was kind of a great role model that way.

707
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 1: It's like you don't have to get all crazy, you

708
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: just do your job. And so UM I signed with

709
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 1: Bob and then he he did really well and giving

710
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 1: me some of UM giving me some work. And then

711
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,959
Speaker 1: when I was like from Ice Capades, Bob and I

712
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 1: sat down and he goes, what do you want to do?

713
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,719
Speaker 1: And I go, let me take my calendar. But they

714
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 1: let you go. They fired you from Yeah because they

715
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: didn't want any mail skaters. They didn't want a gold

716
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 1: medal ska. Did you cost too much though? Was that

717
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 1: just their thing? Like we don't but really it was like,

718
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: well paying too much? Well, you know, they offered me

719
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: one week of shows in Minneapolis, which is the new

720
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 1: owner's hometown, for one fifth what I was making. And

721
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 1: I said, I don't really think that's a good idea

722
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 1: because I got this other opportunity to build a tour.

723
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 1: It's my tour and um, and he goes, where's your loyalty?

724
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, good question. So I started a show

725
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: called Stars on Ice and it's still going. I mean

726
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 1: it was great you started Stars on Ice. Yeah, that

727
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 1: was a lot of hard work. It was I was

728
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 1: unloading trucks when crews didn't show up, and I was

729
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:24,320
Speaker 1: I was doing everything possible to keep this thing alive. Wow,

730
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 1: So you started that and it runs, it's doing its

731
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 1: thing now. Yeah. I don't own it. I just started it.

732
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 1: I founded it with I am G. I m G

733
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: doesn't really partner with clients, so um, I said, you know, hey,

734
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 1: just give me half the show and you don't have

735
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 1: to pay me anything till it's profitable. And they're like, no,

736
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 1: we don't really want to do that. And it's still out,

737
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,280
Speaker 1: it's still going. I just hosted the NBC television special

738
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: Stars in Ice in Orlando about a month ago, and

739
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 1: it's a really good show. I'm really proud of the skaters.

740
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 1: I was reading as I was watching the Olympics. Because

741
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,399
Speaker 1: I grew up in Arkansas. We had a brief winter.

742
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 1: There was no hockey, and I grew up very poor.

743
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,399
Speaker 1: There was no ice anything, you know, And unless you're

744
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 1: in a region and where the ice already exists, it

745
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 1: cost a lot of money to get to ice, if

746
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: that makes sense. Like if I lived in Colorado, I

747
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 1: wouldn't need to be rich to ski. But because I

748
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 1: lived in Arkansas, you had to be rich to ski.

749
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 1: You aren't getting It's called access barriers. Huge access barrier.

750
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: So I didn't know anything. And and I'm learning about

751
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 1: hockey because the preads over the last five or six years.

752
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 1: I'm learning, and I'm watching the that that the Winter Olympics,

753
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 1: and I'm watching the ice skating And what was there

754
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 1: drama with you and the new broadcast team they were

755
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: making into a whole story. Know what happened? Was um,

756
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,320
Speaker 1: this reporter from the New York Times. Um sat me

757
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 1: down and at the US Figure Skating Championships in San

758
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 1: Jose and she goes, I want to know how you

759
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 1: feel about this change. Because I was the lead analyst

760
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 1: for NBC for four Olympics and three with NBCO. So UM,

761
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 1: when Johnny and Tara we did all this stuff in Sochi, Um,

762
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 1: they just you know, Johnny was really being our but

763
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 1: it got to be such a huge deal that they're like, oh, yeah,

764
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 1: we need to bring those guys up. And so when

765
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: I left so chi I thought I'm done. I'm never

766
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 1: gonna do another Olympics. And then they they reached out

767
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 1: and they said, um, we're gonna move you out of

768
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 1: the lead commentary position and we're gonna bring them up.

769
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 1: And I go I figured that was going to happen.

770
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 1: I'm a smart guy, can see where the tides are going.

771
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 1: And um, and I go well, and they go, we

772
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: want to keep you and I go, oh why, and

773
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 1: they go, well, because you know you've done a good

774
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: job for us, we want to keep you around. And

775
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 1: so the the New York Times reporter was trying to

776
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 1: she we talked for a long time. She was grilling me,

777
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:41,479
Speaker 1: and she was waiting for me to crack and say

778
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: this is a horrible thing, and I'm just like going,

779
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 1: you know what, it's I'm there by their invitation. It's

780
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 1: not my job, it's their's to give. And you know what,

781
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: when they told me I wasn't gonna be the lead

782
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 1: analyst anymore, for about ten minutes, I was kind of

783
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: like morning, you know, kind of what was and and

784
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:01,439
Speaker 1: after that it's like, all right, let's suh, Let's see

785
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 1: what happens next. And so they brought me to UM

786
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 1: every nationals from there on to be kind of like

787
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 1: the voice of I don't know, historical perspective or whatever,

788
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 1: or to get to the heart of with what the

789
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 1: competition was. And then UM I went to the Olympics

790
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: and they gave me an hour long pregame show called

791
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 1: Olympic Ice on NBCSN and it was a blast and

792
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: I loved it. And I got to go to the

793
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: events and watch and not have to be under the

794
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 1: pressure of having to come up with things to say,

795
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 1: and it was really great to be able to appreciate

796
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,399
Speaker 1: that and be able to talk about it the next day.

797
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 1: So you know, it's change is gonna happen. It's just

798
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 1: like it's much drama as Twitter. Because I was reading it,

799
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 1: I was like, dry, you know, I don't know enough

800
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 1: about it. Like I said, I don't know enough about

801
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:47,240
Speaker 1: the feet the Winter Olympics. That doesn't sound as dramatic

802
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: as they try to make the well. And then with

803
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 1: the New York Times article was you know I was

804
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 1: demoted and don't feel sorry for me, and that was

805
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 1: basically I said. I go, I'm I'm great. I'm just

806
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: I get to be in another Olympic. So I did

807
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 1: this last Olympics and I was on NBCs N and

808
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: you know, the audience there is much smaller because it's

809
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: a it's a cable kind of situation. And um, one

810
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: of the guys that was kind of with us was

811
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: one of the NBC executives that goes, we're not allowed

812
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: to talk to telling about ratings, and I go, well,

813
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 1: you don't have to. I don't want to know. I

814
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: don't really care. It doesn't that's kind of gonna change

815
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,240
Speaker 1: my job at all. I'm gonna do the same work.

816
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 1: And he goes, you're doing five times bigger rating than

817
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 1: any show that's ever been on this network. And it's like, okay,

818
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: what that that, Okay, what do you do with that? Yeah,

819
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 1: I mean it's like nothing. And I thought, well, that's

820
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 1: really nice. People are and you know, we're at least

821
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 1: not underperforming, you know, and so that's good. So we

822
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: just did our job and then about him Matt. Three

823
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 1: weeks after I got back, I got a call from

824
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 1: NBC and they want me to do another four years.

825
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 1: Wow is that right? Yeah? So, I mean it's it's like,

826
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 1: you don't know, it doesn't always have to be exactly

827
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: the way it always was for it to be enjoyable.

828
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:03,919
Speaker 1: I had a blast in peng Cheng. I really did.

829
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 1: I love my work. All I did was work, you know.

830
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 1: I I would do the event in the morning, I

831
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 1: do the show and then watch the event, and then I,

832
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 1: um go to practice and watch some practices, and I

833
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 1: go back grabbed in and then go to my room

834
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 1: and watch YouTube videos, go through all the protocols of

835
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,959
Speaker 1: all the marks they've got an all year, right down,

836
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 1: every note, go over the show format, go to bed

837
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 1: was my existence at the Olympics, and it was awesome

838
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 1: because when I first got there and um, it was

839
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 1: kind of wild. I was panicking. I couldn't sleep because

840
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: I don't know enough stuff, Like I don't know. There's

841
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 1: no way in the world I'm gonna be labeled to

842
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 1: fraud because I don't know enough stuff to get through

843
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 1: an hour of television every day for a month. And

844
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 1: then I looked over and my book was because I

845
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 1: took it to kind of start promoting it, my book

846
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: was like sitting up staring right at me, and it's like, yeah,

847
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 1: I get to work. So I got to work, and

848
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875
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:24,360
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876
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:28,080
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877
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: and Jill, the terrorists are going to disrupt the Olympics.

878
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:34,280
Speaker 1: People are going to die. I was scared to death,

879
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,240
Speaker 1: and then I got there and I looked around, It's like, okay,

880
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 1: we're good. You know what, it's the same thing with

881
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 1: you know what our security was at the it called

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00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 1: the Coastal Cluster, and the Coastal Cluster was all the

883
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:51,720
Speaker 1: indoor buildings for curling, speed skating, UM, figure skating, UM hockey.

884
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: They were all on this big cluster with a couple

885
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 1: of sponsor houses and in a big superstore and that

886
00:41:56,520 --> 00:42:00,000
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887
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,839
Speaker 1: trucks and everything to cover the event that was all

888
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: on this this Coastal cluster. So going through security every

889
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: single morning, we had to go in through bag and

890
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:13,720
Speaker 1: mag type of thing. And our security was three college girls.

891
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 1: That's like my kind of security there. But it's like

892
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: there was no no dogs, no like you know, there

893
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:26,359
Speaker 1: was no snipers on the roofs, and it was just

894
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,720
Speaker 1: the opposite of what we would expect about what we're seeing.

895
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 1: And the North Koreans were everywhere. Everywhere you looked, you

896
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 1: saw the North Korean cheerleaders. The little pair team that

897
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 1: was from North Korea were so warmly um appreciated by

898
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 1: the audience and they were really good. And then they

899
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,720
Speaker 1: marched in together under the same flag. How much trouble

900
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 1: are we gonna have here? Really? I mean, come on,

901
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,359
Speaker 1: none like And it's almost the point where now I

902
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 1: can't even watch news anymore. I just can't because I

903
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 1: just there's nothing real about it. It's just it's it's

904
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 1: almost like they're trying to hook You remember the old

905
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 1: soap operas. Did you ever watching those old Yeah, So

906
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 1: back in the day when I was training, I would

907
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 1: I would go from seven in the morning until about noon,

908
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 1: and then I go make myself lunch, and then i'd

909
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,479
Speaker 1: watch a couple hours of soap operas to relax because

910
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 1: I was resting for the night stuff. And you know,

911
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 1: I would realize that i'd leave to go to competition,

912
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:20,319
Speaker 1: and I go, oh, I hate to miss this week

913
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 1: because there was so much that's gonna happen. And I

914
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 1: came back and it was, oh, nothing happened. And it's

915
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 1: the same with the recycle. It's like, you know, you

916
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,240
Speaker 1: come back and it's like, oh, yeah, they're still talking

917
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 1: about that and nothing's really changed. So I don't really

918
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 1: I don't wait or waste my time anymore, you know,

919
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:37,839
Speaker 1: because it's it's all meant to kind of. Also, if

920
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 1: you watch like CNN or MSNBC, or Fox. They all

921
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 1: have a different point of view and you have to

922
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 1: have a radical opinion and that's it. And I don't

923
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 1: have a radical opinions. I have opinions, but they're not radical.

924
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: And if you're not just upset, it's almost like you

925
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 1: don't have a voice, like the voices that are heard,

926
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 1: the ones that are I'm so left, I'm so right.

927
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 1: That's all there is that exists, and you feel like

928
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 1: you have to be a part of that, and it

929
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: brings people to it. Like I see people gravitate to

930
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: the polar side because they feel like they're supposed to

931
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 1: be on a side, and I'm going, you don't have

932
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 1: to do that. I'm not like that. Like I live

933
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 1: here and I'll go to West Coast to New York

934
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 1: and all the it's a completely different population, a completely

935
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 1: different point of view, a completely different sensitive me. It's like, Wow,

936
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 1: this this is really happening in this country and there's

937
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 1: no reason, you know. It's like when I was in Sochi,

938
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 1: we went to lunch at this really expensive place. It

939
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 1: was on the mountain. You had one day to go

940
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 1: up to the mountain. We went up. We found this restaurant.

941
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 1: It was the restaurant to go to, and it was

942
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 1: me and one of the lead producers from NBC, and

943
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 1: then next to us was three Russian guys and a

944
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,360
Speaker 1: Korean guy and it was a Korean guy's fiftieth birthday.

945
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 1: So they're all and the Russian guy we're talking these

946
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 1: big personalities, big burly guy. And he goes, let me

947
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 1: ask you something. And when you were a little boy,

948
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 1: we're about same age, right, And I I think so,

949
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 1: And he goes, did they teach you to fear us Russians?

950
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 1: And all I could think of was duck and hover,

951
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 1: you know, yeah? And I go, yeah, I did pretty much.

952
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 1: He goes, When I was a little boy, a right,

953
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 1: probably seem like you. They with bells would ring and

954
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 1: the teachers would scream it as get down in the basement.

955
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 1: The Americans are coming to destroy us. He goes, isn't

956
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 1: it amazing that you and I and just minutes can

957
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 1: become friends and our leaders act like children. And I

958
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 1: was like, oh, bing, you know, it's so I don't

959
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: want to get political or anything. Yeah, it's it's meant

960
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 1: to um. It's to you know, kind of dopamine and

961
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 1: all that other stuff. And the colors that you all that,

962
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 1: and you know, it's kind of it seems like I

963
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 1: don't know, I none of it. It just seems so

964
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 1: funny to me that I can't participate. I just can't.

965
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:46,800
Speaker 1: It makes me tired too, because everyone wants my opinion

966
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 1: on things. I just did this long, three four hour

967
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 1: interview with the magazine to say, how do you feel politically?

968
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 1: And I have no problem talking about my politics. People

969
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:57,359
Speaker 1: just don't come to me from my politics like there's

970
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 1: a there's a difference if you want to have it,

971
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 1: and if you want to ask me like, I will

972
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 1: tell you, but I'm not gonna get on my radio

973
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 1: show and say. And so they say, hey, did you

974
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:07,359
Speaker 1: vote for Donald Trump? And I said I did not.

975
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 1: I said, but I think he's done some things that

976
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 1: are good and I also think he's other things that

977
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 1: aren't good. And they were just shocked that someone could

978
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 1: say both things inside the same paragraph. I said that

979
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,720
Speaker 1: musician will never just be No one's gonna be perfect

980
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 1: or awful. And I said, I think he's done some

981
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 1: fantastic some really terrible things, but who is perfect? And

982
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 1: that's my point. And they were so stunned that I

983
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 1: didn't just jump on one side and go her or whoo.

984
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 1: They're like, wow, no one either they don't talk about it,

985
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 1: or they pick a side. No one ever goes. You know,

986
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:39,800
Speaker 1: actually there's some duality in this and you know it's

987
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 1: um I mean, it's crazy. And that's why all I

988
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 1: really want to do is encourage people. And you are Mr.

989
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:47,799
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you, tell when you're not here. You're

990
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 1: so inspirational. You come in this show or just let's

991
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: say Amy's Kitchen and we talk. I leave from talking

992
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 1: to you, and I'm like, man, I'm so inspired you.

993
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 1: And not just because of your story, but when you

994
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 1: were a kid, how old were you did you have

995
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 1: an illness? You couldn't diagnose it, and you didn't you

996
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 1: didn't grow. I didn't grow for about four years. So

997
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 1: what was that? Well, you know, they couldn't figure it out,

998
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 1: and they couldn't figure it out, and then I started

999
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 1: skating and then all the all of the symptoms went away.

1000
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 1: And then in two thousand four, I had cancer in

1001
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:25,240
Speaker 1: ninety seven, which was chemo and surgery and all that stuff.

1002
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 1: And then in two thousand and four, I'm diagnosed with

1003
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,439
Speaker 1: a brain tumor. It's like, oh, come on, I did.

1004
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: I did the other thing, right, so as a kid,

1005
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 1: and then you get pesticular cancer and then you get

1006
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:37,879
Speaker 1: a brain tumor. Right, so um, I joked that I'm

1007
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 1: gonna be much much more well known for my my

1008
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 1: collection of life threatening illness than I ever did anything

1009
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 1: on the ice. Right. But here's the crazy thing was

1010
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 1: when they went in they did the biops. You have

1011
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 1: to dig a hole in your skull and go through

1012
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 1: and take a piece. And they came back and they

1013
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:56,280
Speaker 1: handed my wife Um all the information on the brain tumor,

1014
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,840
Speaker 1: and my Tracy goes, oh, listen to this. Cranio fringio

1015
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 1: was are usually detected early in a child's life. I

1016
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 1: was born with a sprain tumor due to a lack

1017
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 1: of growth and development. And so it's like, see you now,

1018
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 1: if you live long enough, all questions will be figured out.

1019
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 1: So they're all trying to go why did it stop?

1020
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 1: And maybe it was when I crashed Gary Walker's bike

1021
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 1: into the telephone pole. Maybe I just, you know, the

1022
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 1: brain tumor just got pummeled or something. I don't know,

1023
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 1: you know, it's just we don't know how things happened.

1024
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 1: But for those years that I I skated, I didn't

1025
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 1: have any of the symptoms anymore. But the second I stopped,

1026
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 1: the brain tumor showed itself. And it was like, wow,

1027
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 1: that's crazy. And so the last time you were here,

1028
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 1: I think you had been maybe read two thousand sixteen.

1029
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:45,399
Speaker 1: It's many a year and a half. Did they rediagnosed

1030
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 1: that they found? Yeah, there's another one. Yeah, two thousand

1031
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 1: four was radiation. It came back in two thousand ten surgery,

1032
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 1: and then it came back in two thousand and sixteen.

1033
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 1: Do we have a pattern here? You know? It's like, yeah,

1034
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,359
Speaker 1: this is gonna be every dingy years. But this time

1035
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 1: I just sort of tapped the brakes and I just said,

1036
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 1: you know what, I just something in me is just

1037
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 1: telling me to get strong. And I didn't know if

1038
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,760
Speaker 1: it was physical, mental, emotional, spiritual. I had no idea.

1039
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 1: So I decided, yes, I'm gonna get strong every way

1040
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 1: I possibly can get strong, and and I just cut

1041
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 1: out things in my diet. I added some things that

1042
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 1: were more you know, healthy, and and I just, you know,

1043
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 1: I just got to work. And I went back for

1044
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 1: the first scan and they they said it it hasn't grown,

1045
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 1: and I'm like, wow, that's miraculous, and I go, I'm

1046
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 1: gonna keep doing what I'm doing. So I kept doing

1047
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:36,959
Speaker 1: what I was doing. I went back months later and

1048
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 1: they pulled me in. They go, um, it's shrunk, and

1049
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 1: I go, as has one ever shrunk before without treatment?

1050
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:51,399
Speaker 1: And they go no, And I go, can you explain that?

1051
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 1: And they go, god, I don't know, and I go, okay,

1052
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:59,240
Speaker 1: it's good enough for me. So um it was wild.

1053
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 1: I mean, I just was. And my endochronologists had the

1054
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 1: same brain tumor as me, taken out the same surgery,

1055
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 1: same surgeon, everything. When she was fourteen, only became an

1056
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 1: end of chronologist because she was underserved. And my first

1057
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 1: visit with her, she changed all my meds and I

1058
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:18,720
Speaker 1: felt like a normal person in four days. It was perfect.

1059
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 1: It was unbelievable. And I called her and I go,

1060
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:23,240
Speaker 1: have you ever heard of a crania fingeroma shrinking without treatment?

1061
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 1: She goes, no, okay. Then I went on the Doctorage

1062
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 1: show and I'm like talking to him and I go,

1063
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 1: you don want a crania French Joma's right? He goes,

1064
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 1: of course I do. I go, have you ever heard

1065
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 1: of one that shrank? Without treatment, he goes never So

1066
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 1: then I went back months later and it shrunk again.

1067
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:44,400
Speaker 1: It's insane. No one can explain it. But it's like,

1068
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 1: I'm so grateful that I get a pass, like I

1069
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:49,239
Speaker 1: don't have to deal with it, like I haven't. It's

1070
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 1: it's really invasive and it's your brain, right, so you

1071
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 1: don't want anybody touching it. And uh so I'm just

1072
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:59,240
Speaker 1: you know, just trying to stay in my lane and

1073
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 1: and um, you know again, trying to be light and

1074
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 1: encourage people and and do the best I can to

1075
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 1: advance UM cancer research and and to do good while

1076
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 1: I'm here. You know, i'd much really do that then

1077
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 1: you know anything else. You know, I've got a great wife,

1078
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 1: I've got phenomenal healthy kids, and um, if I if

1079
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 1: this is something I have to take on so they

1080
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 1: don't get it, I'm okay with that too. So um

1081
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:28,840
Speaker 1: you know here we are. So tell me, after you

1082
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:32,839
Speaker 1: come out of your first brain surgery, do you start

1083
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 1: to go, let me see what I feel. Do I

1084
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:37,479
Speaker 1: feel the same? Do I I know? I I knew

1085
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:42,320
Speaker 1: um first because what happens with radiation is they pretty

1086
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,399
Speaker 1: much radiation goes through your whole brain and I really

1087
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 1: feel like sometimes I'm in a fog, you know, I

1088
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 1: had chemo, and the chemo brain from that, you know,

1089
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 1: where you can't remember things, and you know, I'll be

1090
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:55,839
Speaker 1: talking about somebody I've known for twenty years and it's like, oh,

1091
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:58,879
Speaker 1: what's his name, name name, and I'll do that right,

1092
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 1: and so I remember, you know, kind of how I

1093
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 1: was before radiation. And I feel like I've lost more

1094
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 1: than a step, you know, but I'm still here and

1095
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 1: that's great. And I'm still doing the work to advance

1096
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 1: the science so that you know, there isn't so much

1097
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:18,880
Speaker 1: collateral damage as the status quo, you know. And so

1098
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 1: that's why you know Cares is Cares. That's my cancer foundation.

1099
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 1: I'm gonna continue to do the work until you know,

1100
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 1: we can find enough science to change the game. And

1101
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 1: and right now there's enough science out there that you know,

1102
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 1: it's the the game is being changed. You know. Cart therapy,

1103
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 1: which is a immunotherapy, is working on lymphoma, and we

1104
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 1: just need to create more for every kind of cancer. Mr. Inspiration,

1105
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 1: That's why I call you never to your face. It's

1106
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 1: someone call you something behind your back that's better than

1107
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 1: what they would call you to your face. I've been

1108
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 1: calling a lot of things to my face. Man. Okay,

1109
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 1: so the book, check out the book finished first, Winning

1110
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:02,360
Speaker 1: changes every thing. The true story is when I started

1111
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 1: your book, I had to stop because I was writing

1112
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 1: my book, and I was like, were too similar? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

1113
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:08,879
Speaker 1: computer virus. You can't. Yeah, you put it down, You'll

1114
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:10,279
Speaker 1: pick stuff up. And I do this in stand up.

1115
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 1: You'll pick stuff off and not know you picked it

1116
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 1: up until someone goes, oh, that's similar to go no,

1117
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 1: it's not the sequel. You go, oh it is. So

1118
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:20,279
Speaker 1: I didn't put it down. No, no, no no, it's good.

1119
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 1: But I'm done now, so now I can get back

1120
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 1: to it. But I did have to stop, and I

1121
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 1: would be honest with you, I would say I finish

1122
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 1: it in lof That was a great ted talk. Thanks.

1123
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:32,399
Speaker 1: You know, I just feel like I've only learned because

1124
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:36,839
Speaker 1: I've lost a lot. You know. You tell your stories

1125
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:38,919
Speaker 1: about falling. I feel like that's, you know, my whole life,

1126
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,359
Speaker 1: and people see the glamor of it all and go, oh,

1127
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 1: you're good at something, so you're at the top. No way, man,

1128
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 1: do you know how many times I saw all the times,

1129
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 1: all the time, like winning is not glamorous. The only

1130
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 1: part of glamor is that you get to see the

1131
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 1: Instagram picture or the on TV part or that you know,

1132
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:57,879
Speaker 1: and so, but if you're rooted in that, you know,

1133
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:00,839
Speaker 1: if you're rooted in that the idea that this came

1134
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:04,319
Speaker 1: out of a lot of that, it has so much

1135
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 1: more value, you know, because you work through it, you

1136
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:10,240
Speaker 1: didn't give up, you didn't allow your conditions to knock

1137
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 1: you down, and stronger once we get to maintain, you know,

1138
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 1: it's like some of these kids, these viral kids, with

1139
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 1: these people that get on a TV show with all

1140
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 1: of a sudden they're thrust up and they didn't put

1141
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 1: all It's not the fact that they didn't put the

1142
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 1: work into get there, it's that they don't have the

1143
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:28,800
Speaker 1: work ethic embedded into them to continue at that level

1144
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 1: more so than it is well and then you know

1145
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 1: all the other stuff. You know. I tell people all

1146
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:37,399
Speaker 1: the time that we're wired for challenge much more than

1147
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:40,360
Speaker 1: good fortune, you know, because I've seen so many people

1148
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 1: that are, you know, given really a horrific situations and

1149
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 1: they rise up and they're better than it's stronger, more

1150
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 1: in touch and everything they've ever been. And then you

1151
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 1: see people that come across great fortune all at once,

1152
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 1: you know, whether it being an entertainment or winning the

1153
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 1: lottery or whatever, and all of a sudden, all these

1154
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:58,359
Speaker 1: demons come flying out and they're doing things that they

1155
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 1: never could have imagined doing back when they were, you know,

1156
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:04,879
Speaker 1: fighting so hard to you know, kind of just stay alive. So,

1157
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 1: you know, I I'll encourage anybody that's going through it

1158
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:11,399
Speaker 1: right now. I mean, if you're really struggling, you're way

1159
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 1: better off than if you're just at that at you know,

1160
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:16,800
Speaker 1: standing on the podium shaking your fast right now, without

1161
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 1: all that other stuff that allows you to be fortified

1162
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 1: for that moment, Because once you at that moment, man,

1163
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:27,319
Speaker 1: it changes everything. You know. I agree, I couldn't do

1164
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 1: what I do now at the level and with the

1165
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 1: sincerity that I do it now without all the crap

1166
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:35,239
Speaker 1: that happened to be before, and without me being able

1167
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 1: to have the sincerity that I have, I wouldn't be

1168
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 1: able to maintain it. So I'm grateful. What I used

1169
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:41,839
Speaker 1: to look at as a setback, I now see as

1170
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:44,759
Speaker 1: a strength because I go, oh, what was me? You know,

1171
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:48,720
Speaker 1: you know, my mom died early was by my grandma

1172
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 1: was adopted like you know, like you oh, I feel bad,

1173
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 1: but then you go, do you know all the strength

1174
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 1: I've gathered from that, And that's why I'm staying where

1175
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 1: I am. And it's made me a better person. Do

1176
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 1: you know, have you ever heard of Barry Gibbs first

1177
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:08,439
Speaker 1: fame thing? So from from the Barry GiB the last

1178
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 1: remaining brother of the bgs. Uh. You know, he just said,

1179
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 1: first fame. If you can survive first fame, you're gonna

1180
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:21,919
Speaker 1: be great. It's just getting through that first taste of

1181
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 1: all that coming at you. If you can survive that,

1182
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 1: you're probably gonna be okay. And I was blessed that

1183
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 1: when I came home from that Olympics, you know, I

1184
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 1: get the parade and all this other stuff. The government,

1185
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:35,400
Speaker 1: the government, the governor of Colorado called me into his

1186
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 1: office and I thought it was, you know, in my

1187
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:38,959
Speaker 1: jacket and tie, I thought it was a photo op,

1188
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:41,319
Speaker 1: you know. And I walk in and there was a

1189
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:43,239
Speaker 1: guy in the office with him, and he goes, um,

1190
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:45,759
Speaker 1: just wait outside, I'm just gonna talk to Scott. And

1191
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 1: he gave me a lecture on hometown hero syndrome. He said,

1192
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 1: you know, I go, what is that and he goes,

1193
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:53,719
Speaker 1: it's when you're the captain of the quarterback of the

1194
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 1: high school football team and you throw that strike into

1195
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:58,320
Speaker 1: the end zone to win the state championship, and everybody

1196
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 1: carries you off the field and their should yours, and

1197
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:03,720
Speaker 1: you expect the rest of your life to be that way.

1198
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:06,240
Speaker 1: He says, I don't want that to happen to you.

1199
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 1: I just want to make you aware of it. Enjoy

1200
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 1: the fruits of your labor, enjoy everything that comes to you.

1201
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:13,879
Speaker 1: But I want you to know that it will end

1202
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 1: some day, and when it doesn't, want you to be

1203
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 1: prepared for it, and I want to. I just think

1204
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 1: about what a generous gift that was at that time

1205
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 1: of my life, and it's like wow, I think about

1206
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 1: that all the time. It's like, yeah, all just go

1207
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 1: away in a heartbeat, all of it. And that's okay,

1208
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 1: because that's so that's supposed to be my journey. But

1209
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna work as hard as I can to do

1210
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 1: everything I can until that moment happens. We shall say

1211
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 1: no more. I shall leave inspired yet again. Scott, It's

1212
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:46,440
Speaker 1: always a pleasure of mind. You're a good man. Thanks

1213
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 1: for doing this, Thanks for having me. Are you kidding me.

1214
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 1: I haven't tried to get you off for we've been

1215
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 1: bouncing and you're out of town. I'm out of town,

1216
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 1: like I've been looking forward this one for months. We've

1217
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 1: been trieding to this for months. Well, you know, let

1218
00:57:57,320 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 1: me know how I can help you in any way.

1219
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 1: A perform and I'm you know, I'm here to serve alright,

1220
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 1: Scott Hamilton's check out the book finished first and uh wow,

1221
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 1: wow wow, there you go. There you got another episode.

1222
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 1: I appreciate your time. There's a good that's an hour.

1223
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 1: We did an hour. Look look at us. How are

1224
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 1: you gonna edit that? There's no there's no editing? Right up?

1225
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 1: All right, thank you. We'll see you next time on

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Speaker 1: the Bodycast