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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Favorites, the podcast presented by BET three

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Speaker 1: I am Chad Millman of the Action Network. This is

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Speaker 1: our second day in a row, the rare two first

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Speaker 1: doubleheader talking about the NFL Draft.

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Speaker 2: Today, I'm joined as always buy my co.

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Speaker 1: Host, my companion, Mike and Padre might BFF professional better

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Speaker 2: Hello, Simon, just.

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Speaker 3: Talking football and mate Chad nothing better? Brother?

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Speaker 2: How good is that?

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Speaker 1: That's how much we love it and how much we

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Speaker 1: miss it. We're doing two back to back shows about

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Speaker 1: the NFL Draft.

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Speaker 2: We don't even do.

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Speaker 1: Back to back shows about the Super Bowl, but we're

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Speaker 1: going back to back on the draft. Yesterday we did

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Speaker 1: the NFC. Today we are doing the AFC. And here's

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Speaker 1: what's interesting to me. It's more of an indication of

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Speaker 1: what the public market everybody thinks about the differences between

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Speaker 1: the AFC and the NFC.

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Speaker 2: In the NFC.

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Speaker 1: There was one team that was minus money to win

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Speaker 1: their division. That was the Super Bowl champion Philadelphia Eagles.

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Speaker 1: In the AFC, there are three teams that are minus

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Speaker 1: money to win their division, including the Super Bowl runner

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Speaker 1: up Kansas City Chiefs, including the Baltimore Ravens and the

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Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills, who have the longest odds of any team

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Speaker 1: or the shortest odds of any team. I'm sorry, it's

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Speaker 1: really like, yeah, the shortest dots. They have the largest

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Speaker 1: discrepancy of any team to win their division at minus

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Speaker 1: AFC breakdown today. As a reminder, the Favorites podcast is

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Speaker 1: lot of the storylines yesterday. Today, we're going to go

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Speaker 1: right to the teams, and I do want to start

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Speaker 1: Simon with the Buffalo Bills minus two to seventy five

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Speaker 1: at bet three sixty five to win their division.

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Speaker 2: Before we came on, you know, there.

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Speaker 1: Were radio hosts in Buffalo who were giving Brandon being

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Speaker 1: the Bills GM a hard time because they didn't go

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Speaker 1: after a receiver. And he basically threw up his hands

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Speaker 1: and was like, what.

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Speaker 2: Do you guys want me to do?

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Speaker 1: We averaged thirty points a game last year, Like, I

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Speaker 1: think I know what I'm doing when it comes to

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Speaker 4: I was just listening to the last few minutes of

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Speaker 4: your show before I came home, waiting on here. Sound

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Speaker 4: was like twenty eighteen all.

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Speaker 3: Over with you guys. Well we're very how so well.

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Speaker 4: You guys were bitching in twenty eighteen about Josh Allen.

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Speaker 4: You guys wanted Josh Rosen, and now you guys are

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Speaker 4: bitching that we don't have a receiver I don't get it.

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Speaker 4: We just scored thirty points in a row for eight

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Speaker 4: straight games a year ago. I get you guys asking

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Speaker 4: why we didn't have receivers, but I don't understand it now.

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Speaker 4: You just saw us lead the league in points. When

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Speaker 1: I love that he was basically came came out and said,

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Speaker 1: fuck you guys, like you don't know what the hell

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Speaker 1: you're talking about. They drafted the cornerback Maxwell Harriston in

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Speaker 1: the first round from Kentucky, who, to me, was my

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Speaker 1: favorite player in the draft because he was the guy

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll piggyback off that. Good for Brandon bing to

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Speaker 5: b flexing his muscle. He's a guy that you know,

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Speaker 5: last year we thought there would be a borderline playoff team,

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Speaker 5: and you know, I talked a ton about, you know.

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Speaker 3: The fact that they had so much dead cap.

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Speaker 5: I couldn't believe that much dead cap they had and

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Speaker 3: And then he went out and just drafted a don

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Speaker 5: And I love that move because you know, their offense

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Speaker 3: I love it.

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Speaker 5: So, you know, minus two to seventy five, Chad, we

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Speaker 5: don't bet those type of numbers around here. So if

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Speaker 5: the Chiefs are a big number. You partlay these divisional

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Speaker 1: I wonder if you and I are thinking about the

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Speaker 2: Plus five point fifty at bet three six five.

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Speaker 1: Their first pick was Kenneth Grant, the defensive tackle from Michigan.

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Speaker 1: It didn't feel like they did a ton of things

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Speaker 5: and it's tough to say. I know they don't want

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Speaker 5: That's a good pick, that's a safe pick. Then you

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Speaker 5: So yeah, I think we're on the same page. Plus

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Speaker 5: So to me, Miami, you're I'm with Chad. I think

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Speaker 1: In that plus six point fifty range, the New England Patriots,

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Speaker 1: And that is interesting to me. You and I love Rabel.

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Speaker 1: He has historically being a coach that we always want

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Speaker 1: And then they go out and do the smart thing.

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Speaker 1: They draft Will Campbell, the offensive tackle from LSU, with

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Speaker 5: As a fan, I think Patriots fans should know that

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Speaker 5: all fan bases of football want them to have twenty

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Speaker 5: That being said, I love to hire and Rabel. We

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Speaker 5: both agree. We think Drake May has a ton of upside,

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Speaker 5: a ton of talent. The reason we're betting on them

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Speaker 5: to win this division is because of the year two jump.

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Speaker 5: That's something we see time and time again where a

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Speaker 5: the Patriots division will take that number. But like we

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Speaker 5: this Patriots team. We would need a major, major drump

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Speaker 5: to an another level. Like Chad just said, they basically

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Speaker 5: went offensive tackle, running back, wide receiver, center. Those are

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Speaker 3: Of this draft.

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Speaker 5: For of all the same, right, They're all really good,

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Speaker 3: Was Verbel's guy.

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Speaker 5: No one was offered them good enough pick to get

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Speaker 5: right now for this division, it's got to be this

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Speaker 1: What a difference in year makes simon that when the

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Speaker 1: The Jets are now fourteen to one to win the division.

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Speaker 2: No faith in justin fields.

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Speaker 1: The operators are saying the public has they draft an

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Speaker 5: No, And you know, part of me wants to throw

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Speaker 5: reasons why he never won in his career that the

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Speaker 5: to this Jets team, it still feels like a dysfunctional

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Speaker 5: and all this other stuff. So this is just not

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Speaker 5: very telling having them at fourteen.

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Speaker 3: To one right now in this division.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, it's it's great drafts, Like we'll get to

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Speaker 3: They weren't really filling in needs.

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Speaker 5: They didn't feel like they didn't drafted to draft a guy, right,

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Speaker 5: they were taking the best guys they had on their board,

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Speaker 3: For the Jets' future for this season. Does nothing for.

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Speaker 1: Me, by the way, you just said, you guys, what

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Speaker 2: I don't I don't even think about the Jets.

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Speaker 3: Maybe you guys talking to media, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Oh oh, so now I'm just media. Now I'm just

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Speaker 5: It was more, it was more in general. It wasn't

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Speaker 5: directed that you. Usually when I go more to you,

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Speaker 5: I go Chad.

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Speaker 3: I like the ur Chad, you, thank you.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate that. I don't want to be lumped in

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Speaker 1: Just how you generalize, you know, the media people, media

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Speaker 1: under attack every day as an institution. The Baltimore Ravens

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Speaker 1: I know what we're going to say here. Last year,

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Speaker 2: But the Ravens. The Ravens did the Ravens.

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Speaker 1: Like at the end of the first round, they get

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Speaker 1: That defense got better and better as the second half

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Speaker 1: They had a controversial pick with Mike Green, the kid

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I would say that was probably the craziest part

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Speaker 3: Know, another team that we have to say.

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Speaker 5: They're a top five front office or at least top

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Speaker 5: major questions, No doubt about the talent, It's all about

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Speaker 5: So I have there is value right now on this

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Speaker 3: I've thrown a little bit on them at this number,

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Speaker 5: But you know, the Ravens just feel like they're so

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Speaker 3: And you're going through.

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Speaker 5: Their major weaknesses of this team, like we say every year,

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Speaker 1: How much more comfortable can they get? Lamar Jackson should

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Speaker 5: It was, but it was also felt like there were

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Speaker 5: So it's just ton me to see what he does

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Speaker 5: could have won MVP last year, probably should have Kenny

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Speaker 5: just didn't feel like they lost anything from last season.

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati Bengals plus two twenty. I had a long rant

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I hate everything. This Spangles team is just done.

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Speaker 5: I feel like every year they do stupid things and

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Speaker 3: Nothing's changed.

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Speaker 5: They have not addressed a single thing the fre agency.

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Speaker 5: This draft to me, like I'm going through all these guys.

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Speaker 5: You know, I'm glad they went you know, Edge and

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Speaker 5: team would not pay the price. Give me plus three

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Speaker 5: fifty on the Bengals at plus two twenty, no value.

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Speaker 1: Plus two twenty on the Bengals. I'm curious because you

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Speaker 1: I can't imagine it's the Steelers. Why not interesting? Explain yourself.

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Speaker 5: This is just a perfect team of they have, you know,

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Speaker 3: Like you know, TJ.

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Speaker 3: Once he did get comfortable as the season went along.

440
00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:18,920
Speaker 3: So that's my view of a chat.

441
00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:22,240
Speaker 5: I just I'm betting on Tomlin at an insane number,

442
00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:24,160
Speaker 5: Like I have them priced as the second best team

443
00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:27,000
Speaker 5: this division. They have him way down there. Plus five hundred,

444
00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:30,159
Speaker 5: a big drop down for this Pittsburgh team. So I

445
00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:33,119
Speaker 5: think if Rogers comes back, this immediately jumps to what

446
00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:35,840
Speaker 5: plus four hundred plus three fifty, So.

447
00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:37,240
Speaker 3: I'm just trying to get ahead of it. I like

448
00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:39,120
Speaker 3: the number. I'm gonna back Pittsburgh here.

449
00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:41,240
Speaker 1: I had to put on my glasses to make sure

450
00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:44,680
Speaker 1: I was reading the number right. For the Cleveland Browns

451
00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:51,720
Speaker 1: thirty to one. Yeah, to win the division thirty to one.

452
00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:55,200
Speaker 1: You're almost obligated to take a piece of that number

453
00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:59,919
Speaker 1: because it's so outrageous. What if Shador Sanders is as

454
00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,719
Speaker 1: as good as mel kiper thinks he is, and what

455
00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:05,760
Speaker 1: if he should have been the number one overall quarterback?

456
00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:08,400
Speaker 1: And one if he comes in and he takes Kevin

457
00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:11,720
Speaker 1: Stefanski's offense, which we know can be really effective, and

458
00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:12,760
Speaker 1: we know he's a good coach.

459
00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:14,440
Speaker 2: We've seen him do it with Baker, We've seen him

460
00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:15,440
Speaker 2: do it with Joe Flacco.

461
00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:21,520
Speaker 1: Like if he's got a accurate, careful quarterback who can

462
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:24,840
Speaker 1: make the plays that he asked them to make. What

463
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:28,439
Speaker 1: if Shador Sanders is those things? Don't we have to

464
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:30,119
Speaker 1: take the Browns at thirty to one just for a

465
00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:30,720
Speaker 1: little taste.

466
00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:33,200
Speaker 3: I mean, I'll throw a hundred on it, and it's fun.

467
00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:36,439
Speaker 5: It'd be fun to make this bet and have a

468
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,680
Speaker 5: three K come back off one hundred dollars bet.

469
00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:39,520
Speaker 3: That'd be insane.

470
00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:43,399
Speaker 5: But you know, to me, I loved how they started

471
00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,840
Speaker 5: this draft, Like I thought they were going to make

472
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:49,120
Speaker 5: the stupid mistake of taking Travis Hunter with that second pick,

473
00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:53,879
Speaker 5: and thank god they didn't. They traded down, took this smart,

474
00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:59,120
Speaker 5: safe pick, Mason Graham, brilliant pair him, you know up front,

475
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:01,760
Speaker 5: Like that's that's their biggest strengths, their defense, And I

476
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:05,200
Speaker 5: love that they went Dtackle linebacker, Like to start the draft,

477
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:06,800
Speaker 5: They're like, we're gonna keep adding to this strength to

478
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:08,879
Speaker 5: this defense. And I think what you said was kind

479
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:13,080
Speaker 5: of sneaky of the Joe Flacco thing, you know, I

480
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,439
Speaker 5: you don't remember. But another bet I gave out at

481
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:17,920
Speaker 5: our live show was the over four and a half

482
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:22,240
Speaker 5: for this Browns team to win their win total, and it.

483
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 3: Was just because they have the defense.

484
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:26,760
Speaker 5: The thing that was missing last year was just a

485
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:30,879
Speaker 5: stable player at that quarterback position. And in my mind,

486
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 5: I thought, even if it was a guy they drafted

487
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:38,000
Speaker 5: or an Aaron Rodgers Joe Flacco type, it's gonna be

488
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:39,920
Speaker 5: so much better than it was last year.

489
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:41,600
Speaker 3: It was just so bad.

490
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 5: Like Winston had one good game then just had four

491
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 5: games in a row of just nothing, just train wreck

492
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 5: in every game. They were kind of in it because

493
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:52,200
Speaker 5: their defense is so good. Like Chad said, Stefanski is

494
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 5: such a good coach. So yeah, I just like this team.

495
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:57,960
Speaker 5: I like their win total. The only reason I'm not

496
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:01,480
Speaker 5: taking them to visional odds is I know they're gonna

497
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,640
Speaker 5: peter out come November, like they just won't last.

498
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,360
Speaker 3: With the Ravens or these or Pittsburgh.

499
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 5: I just think eventually they're gonnaet figured out and kind

500
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:13,200
Speaker 5: of get caught up. But yeah, like you're saying thirty

501
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 5: to one, how do you not throw a penny on that?

502
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:16,920
Speaker 5: That's that's crazy, long shot.

503
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,200
Speaker 2: They have to throw a penny, little little bit of

504
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 2: a taste.

505
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 1: The only team in the AFC who uh the only

506
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:27,159
Speaker 1: division in the AFC where the odds on favorite is

507
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:31,119
Speaker 1: plus money are the Houston Texans in the AFC South

508
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 1: at plus one oh five. They had a lot of

509
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:40,160
Speaker 1: offensive line needs last year. They have receiver needs and

510
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 1: to their credit, first pick wide receiver, second pick offensive tackle,

511
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,119
Speaker 1: third pick wide receiver.

512
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:50,159
Speaker 2: They took both.

513
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:55,119
Speaker 1: Receivers from Iowa State, so they are clearly going after

514
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 1: the things that they felt they needed the most last year.

515
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 1: Stefan Diggs injured, Nico Collins was injured, tanked Oll injured.

516
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 1: They don't know when he'll be back. He had that

517
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,640
Speaker 1: gruesome knee injury. So they're trying to get themselves back

518
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 1: in a position to get some weapons for CJ.

519
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,159
Speaker 2: Stroud plus one oh five to win the division. Signing.

520
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 3: This division's really tough.

521
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 5: It's one of the divisions where it's like, I'm kind

522
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 5: of at this point throwing my hands up and I'm

523
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,119
Speaker 5: gonna need more guidance on what they do with this

524
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 5: division because I just don't trust Houston like I did

525
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,160
Speaker 5: come into last season in the sense that last year

526
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:34,879
Speaker 5: I wanted to fade Houston, and then I remember I

527
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:36,880
Speaker 5: broke right before the season. I was just like, all right,

528
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,879
Speaker 5: I'm gonna go with Houston. I just cannot trust the Jags,

529
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 5: couldn't trust the Colts, and I sure as all didn't

530
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:45,360
Speaker 5: trust Tennessee. So I was okay taking Houston last year.

531
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 5: This year, I see the upside of the Jaguars, I

532
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 5: see the upside of the Colts. I even see the

533
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,879
Speaker 5: upside of Tennessee. I don't really see the upside of

534
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 5: this Texans team, Like I feel like they're tapped out

535
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,440
Speaker 5: and they're in kind of a rebuild mode. Here, especially

536
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 5: that offensive line, Like did I dream that they moved

537
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 5: Larry and Tunsil, Like I envisioned them moving their best

538
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 5: offensive player that's on their offensive line, their biggest weakness,

539
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 5: to a different team because what they don't want to

540
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,399
Speaker 5: pay him, he's too old. Very bizarre move of them

541
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 5: getting rid of him. So yeah, great that they got Higgins.

542
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 5: You know, you think he's a solid receiver, you know,

543
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 5: like you said it pick seventy nine, they wouldn't.

544
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:23,479
Speaker 3: Got another receiver.

545
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 5: That's great, But at the same time, it's like, I

546
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 5: don't know if that's the really the needle mover, like

547
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 5: they they just they so much.

548
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 3: Other They need to attack.

549
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 5: They need to attack that defense and to me, that

550
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 5: offensive line, they really did not answer those questions. I'm

551
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 5: you know, you're getting the forty eighth pick, taking the

552
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 5: OFFENSI attack from Minnesota could work out. He could be

553
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 5: a hitter, but the odds are saying and most likely not,

554
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 5: he's gonna be a two or three year kind of

555
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 5: thing where they're gonna maybe have to start him because

556
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 5: they have a choice, but he's not gonna be polishing anyway.

557
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 5: So yeah, I just don't think there's any value there

558
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 5: chet up plus one oh five, and I'm not shocked

559
00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:58,920
Speaker 5: the books that made them a plus number. I thought

560
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 5: this would be close for a plus one plus one

561
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 5: twenty five. So yeah, I just I don't think there's

562
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 5: any value on this Houston team.

563
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 2: You were you didn't dream it.

564
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 1: By the way, Larry Mntunstall, left tackle who a lot

565
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,360
Speaker 1: of people consider to be grading out as the best

566
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 1: left tackle in football, was traded from Houston to the

567
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 1: Washington Commanders. So next up in that division the Jacksonville

568
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 1: Jaguars plus three hundred. They made the biggest Day one move.

569
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 1: They're young GM who came from the Rams. Traded up

570
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 1: from number five to number two so he could get

571
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 1: Travis Hunter.

572
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:39,880
Speaker 2: I don't know if you've.

573
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 1: Watched this guy's press conferences in the first couple of

574
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 1: days after the draft, both when he explained the trade

575
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:50,440
Speaker 1: for Travis Hunter and when Travis Hunter was introduced.

576
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:55,719
Speaker 2: But they're not They're not just platitudes, man.

577
00:27:56,080 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 1: This guy is preaching about what this team is going

578
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 1: to be and looking at it from sixty thousand feet

579
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:06,360
Speaker 1: as if.

580
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,160
Speaker 2: We are in the middle of church.

581
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,439
Speaker 1: Like the way he is talking about this, it feels

582
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,119
Speaker 1: so much bigger. To him, then we're just trying to

583
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 1: build a good football team, which it should be. He's

584
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,160
Speaker 1: the youngest GM in football and he's getting a big

585
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 1: chance and he's taking big swings. But I'm enjoying that

586
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 1: more than I'm enjoying trying to figure out what this

587
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 1: team is going to be with a quarterback that neither

588
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:26,439
Speaker 1: of us believe in.

589
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:29,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a thirty four year old.

590
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 5: That, you know, is basically why older generations fucking hate millennials.

591
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 6: Like when he speaks, he's so confident, yeah, and why

592
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 6: why It's it's bizarre where it's like, Okay, make a

593
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 6: playoff run and then give that speech after the season.

594
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 5: Okay, shock us first, Like, to me, it's all horrible

595
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 5: trade for an overrated player, but great situation to me

596
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 5: for Travis Hunter. Like he's got a team that is

597
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 5: totally all and believes the bullshit he's selling that he's

598
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 5: gonna play defense and offense. It's like, even though any

599
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 5: guy who's ever played in the league and current players

600
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 5: in the league are just like, he is going to

601
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 5: die if he tries to play defense and offense. And

602
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 5: I gave that that analogy to Chad, you know, the

603
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 5: other week. If he got drafted by Cleveland, I can

604
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 5: only imagine he gets laid out by Kyle Hamilton and

605
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 5: then the next drive they have him thrown in there

606
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 5: and he has to make a tackle on Derrick Henry Will.

607
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 5: He was going to die if he went to the

608
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 5: NFC North, So AFC North, so maybe he can get

609
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 5: away with it. Right, he's in the AFC South now

610
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 5: no one really cares.

611
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 3: Maybe they can get away with it.

612
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 5: But like this GM holy shit, talk about just thinking

613
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 5: he's got all the answers to the test and he

614
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,239
Speaker 5: doesn't even know the fucking subject. Like this kid just

615
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 5: seems like he is always going to set the Jags

616
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 5: back another five or ten years. So I'm excited, Like

617
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 5: it's gonna be fun watching, you know, the house burned down,

618
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,719
Speaker 5: or it could be this guy is a genius. Travis

619
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 5: Hunter can play both sides of the ball. And it's

620
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 5: like you nailed the pick then, because Brian Thomas Junior

621
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 5: to me is a great pick from last year I picked.

622
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 5: This kid did not make so they got to the

623
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 5: one receiver. If Trevor Hunter could be the number two

624
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 5: receiver and be an absolutely stud great, Like that's that's fantastic.

625
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 5: But me, me and you talk all the time. The

626
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 5: biggest issue we've had with the Jaguars is they can't

627
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 5: block for Trevor Lawrence, and they didn't address that. Like

628
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 5: they got an offensive guard from West Virginia at pick

629
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,959
Speaker 5: eighty nine. That ain't gonna that ain't gonna change much

630
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 5: for that offensive line. So excited for them, high hopes

631
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 5: for the Jaguars. But yeah, plus three hundred, no, thank you.

632
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 5: I'm happy to wait and see how this crazy experiment

633
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 5: goes with this kid.

634
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 1: It's so funny you mentioned the play in both ways

635
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 1: thing because I watched the draft coverage and I feel

636
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 1: like I'm being punked. Like watching a lot of the

637
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 1: analysts talk about Travis Hunter and how he's going to

638
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 1: be able to do that and how it might be

639
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:04,239
Speaker 1: easier in the NFL because they play fewer plays, I'm like,

640
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 1: what the fuck is happening here? Am I not watching

641
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: the same league?

642
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's fun. It's fun to make up in your

643
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 3: own mind that this is gonna work and he's gonna be.

644
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: But it's so dumb, and by the way, all of

645
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: this comes down to Trevor Lawrence.

646
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, like that's it.

647
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 1: That's the ballgame is Trevor Lawrence and his ability to

648
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 1: be accurate and run the playbook and get the ball

649
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,719
Speaker 1: into his weapons hands. By the way, with a brand

650
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 1: new coach, brand new coaching staff, like I am not

651
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 1: sold on this situation at all. I think the Browns

652
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: put themselves in a really good spot. I don't know

653
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 1: that the Jaguars are going to be playoff quality next year,

654
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 1: whereas like the next team we're talking about, the Indianapolis Colts,

655
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 1: they get Tyler Warren, who knows who their quarterback is

656
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 1: going to be, but either one of those guys, Daniel

657
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: Jones or Anthony Richardson are going to be in a

658
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 1: better position because they got a guy who a lot

659
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 1: of people thought could have been a maybe the fifth

660
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 1: to sixth best player in the draft. The Colts are

661
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: plus three twenty five, so not that far off from

662
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 1: the Jaguars. The market doesn't think there's much of a

663
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 1: difference between these two teams, I know.

664
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 5: And people are gonna be shocked. This is not the

665
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 5: team I'm been in this division. So there's only one

666
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 5: team left, so it kind of gives it away. But

667
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 5: I liked the draft by the Colts. I Honestly, it's

668
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 5: it's a good, solid, boring draft, right. They took the

669
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 5: best available players I had on their board and.

670
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 3: Didn't reach for people like Warren.

671
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 5: To me, shout out to Anthony Dubundo, he predicted it,

672
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 5: you know, three two, three weeks before the draft, that

673
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 5: that's who they were gonna get, and I was shocked

674
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 5: the Bears pass on them. But again, the more you

675
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 5: dove into it, it makes sense, right, Like there's there are

676
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 5: questions that Warren won't but get any separation. If this

677
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 5: kid was a freaking college now he's in a different

678
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 5: level and that you know, he's not gonna project out

679
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 5: to keep getting better. So you know, fun interesting pick there.

680
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 5: The hope is obviously Dallas Clark, Like that's the dream scenarios.

681
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 5: They get the guy they've been looking for for forever.

682
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 5: But yeah, the fact they went tight end and then

683
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 5: went edge went d back, like we all like it.

684
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 5: You know, this is a team that it all comes

685
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 5: down to the quarterback position. So Daniel Jones, Anthony Richardson,

686
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 5: I don't feel like putting any money on them at

687
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 5: this point of the year, but maybe that will change

688
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 5: come August. But we're sitting right now, Chad, I don't

689
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 5: have really confidence to put money on those either, quarterback.

690
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 2: And you do want the Tennessee Titans at eight to one,

691
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 2: let's go.

692
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 3: You do. You don't love it, look at that face.

693
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 1: So I'm just curious. I don't actually have a strong

694
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: opinion on this one.

695
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 5: So my view of it is this team that historically

696
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 5: was the worst team we've ever seen from a gambling perspective.

697
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 3: Last season like biggest, biggest blind spot, biggest miss by

698
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 3: far of the season for me and you.

699
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 5: Chad was not just fading them every week and every

700
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 5: week I kept saying that to myself, and I just

701
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 5: couldn't do it because it was like, but they're getting

702
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 5: literally four or five points for free here and it

703
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 5: didn't matter.

704
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 3: That's how bad Will Levis was. So when you really go.

705
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 5: Back through and break down this team, he was such

706
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 5: a net negative for them. That their defense was actually

707
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,959
Speaker 5: pretty good, especially against explosive plays, like they're actually really

708
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 5: good at stopping teams from explosive plays. They just got

709
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 5: grinded out by a lot of teams, right, They just

710
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 5: got worn down because tons of short fields, tons of

711
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 5: three and outs from their offense, and they just got

712
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 5: worn out defensively, offensively, there's a lot to work with here.

713
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 5: Like their offensive line, you saw, you know, you made

714
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 5: a big deal effect that the dad came over from Cleveland.

715
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 2: What's his name, Bill Callahan?

716
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 3: Bill Callahan.

717
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 5: He came over and you immediately saw that he did

718
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 5: make a difference to a terrible offensive line. Like by

719
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 5: the end of the season, their blocking teams were actually

720
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 5: pretty good.

721
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:47,280
Speaker 3: They weren't.

722
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 5: You know, Will Levis was dying early on, but the

723
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 5: season went along. A lot of it fell onto him

724
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 5: just holding on the ball too long, him just being

725
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 5: a bad quarterback. I just don't see the same happening here,

726
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 5: Like this is a team that, you know.

727
00:34:59,160 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 3: Say what you want.

728
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,320
Speaker 5: If cam Ward's a little bit overdrafted, you know, I

729
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 5: think people kept saying he had been the fifth or

730
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 5: sixth quarterback in the previous draft. I didn't think he

731
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 5: was that bad. I had him right there, right behind

732
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 5: Drake May. I view him as a guy that was

733
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 5: underrated to come out of high school. I think he

734
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 5: was like a one star as you were, star recruit zero.

735
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 5: That's crazy, and he just worked for everything he's gotten

736
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:26,879
Speaker 5: and he just keeps getting better every stage of his life.

737
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 5: So maybe he hits the wall. Maybe what we just

738
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 5: saw him in Miami that is as good as it's

739
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 5: ever gonna get, or you believe and project out that

740
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 5: this kid is really smart football wise and he's gonna

741
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 5: transition really well into the next level, just like we

742
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 5: saw Jane Daniels do. Where these guys who are cool,

743
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,839
Speaker 5: comp collective in the pocket, confident in the pocket, those

744
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 5: are the ones who can't transition the best into the NFL.

745
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,439
Speaker 3: So I know, I got crazy high opes here.

746
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 5: I got a long rope. It's eight to one for

747
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 5: them to win this division. So that's that's my view

748
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 5: of it is. I think I got to take a

749
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,839
Speaker 5: position here and come November they're all the way down

750
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 5: to you know, four to one or three to one,

751
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 5: and then maybe if I like you STI at that point,

752
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 5: I'll take a position on them. But I think you're

753
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 5: just getting way too long of odds for this team

754
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 5: that defensively is as bad as people think they're on offensively,

755
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 5: just with the quarterback change, I think we're gonna see

756
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 5: a major leap for this team. So get right for

757
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 5: a chet, We're gonna bet in Tennessee a lot.

758
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 2: Brother Tennessee and Carolina.

759
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 1: That's going to be our Super Bowl pick. AFC West

760
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:29,359
Speaker 1: Kansas City Chiefs minus one thirty. Like, I don't know

761
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 1: that we'll ever not want to bet on the Chiefs

762
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 1: as long as this division exists. With Patrick Mahomes and

763
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 1: they did things that we thought they needed to do right.

764
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: They drafted Josh Simmons, the offensive tackle from Ohio State.

765
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: They drafted for speed at the edge. They drafted a

766
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 1: wide receiver later on, a guy who a lot of

767
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 1: people thought could have been a much higher pick. He

768
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 1: came in the fourth round, Jalen Royals from Utah State,

769
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 1: but he was injured and so people thought if he

770
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: could replicate his twenty twenty three production, then he would

771
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 1: have been drafted maybe second round. So they got guys

772
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: that can probably play immediately that they need to contribute immediately.

773
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 1: Plus they're going to have Hollywood Brown, Plus they're going

774
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,760
Speaker 1: to have Rashi Rice, Like they're going to be better

775
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 1: by virtue of addition of players who had been injured

776
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: not coming back.

777
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,359
Speaker 5: Yeah, and definitely Rice as the biggest one, like them

778
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 5: losing him and the fact that they didn't really miss

779
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 5: it beat and they still just make it all work.

780
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 5: Just shows the level of greatness of Andrew reading this

781
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 5: team where they can just keep adjusting like chameleon and

782
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 5: changing their colors into whatever they need to be to

783
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,439
Speaker 5: make it work for that team. And you know, offensively,

784
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 5: on paper, I look at this team as this might

785
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 5: be the best team they've had offensively since.

786
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 3: The Tyreek Kelsey years.

787
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 5: Like they've been winning all these championships basically off makeshift

788
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 5: offenses with a really good defense, and like Chad just said,

789
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:01,800
Speaker 5: you know, adjusting the offensive line right with the first pick. Great,

790
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,359
Speaker 5: that's what we all think they should do. Because they've

791
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 5: done a total reshuffle this off season over that offensive line.

792
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,359
Speaker 5: They've let guys go, They've traded guys. I mean, they

793
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 5: traded a guy to Chad's Bears. Like they're just they're

794
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 5: moving pieces and then paying guys and trying to make

795
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 5: it all.

796
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 3: Work because it's tough, right.

797
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 5: It's like they paid Mahomes all this money. Now they're

798
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 5: trying to make it all work across the board, and

799
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 5: it's like, you know, that's the magic of all these

800
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 5: teams where like you know, the Eagles, they've had to

801
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 5: let a ton of guys go because they can't affording

802
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 5: when after the Super Bowls. That's what's so impressible with

803
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 5: the Chiefs is they keep making these super Bowls and

804
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 5: losing all these guys, and they keep going back, they

805
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 5: keep making work and it's just when are they gonna

806
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:41,800
Speaker 5: get caught? Like it's that old uh you know, Aaron

807
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 5: Paul screamed with this guy. They can't keep getting away

808
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 5: from this. It's true. It's like, I can't believe the

809
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 5: Chiefs just keep getting away from this and this this draft,

810
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 5: I'm with you.

811
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 3: I think they nailed it like that.

812
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 5: In fact, they drafted offensive lineman then went two defensive

813
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 5: linemen right after. I love that for them, Like, just

814
00:38:58,320 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 5: keep reloading.

815
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 3: In the trenches. They're just they're so smart and savvy.

816
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 5: So yeah, this is a team that, you know, great

817
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 5: value in my opinion, minus one thirty. This is a

818
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 5: team that's won the division seven eight years in a row,

819
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 5: something crazy like that. And it's because every year everyone

820
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 5: thinks in their mind that this is the year that

821
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 5: they take a step back, this is the year the

822
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 5: Chargers take the next step, this is the year the

823
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:27,399
Speaker 5: Broncos finally step up. So it's a rare opportunity. Chib

824
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 5: minus one thirty for the Chiefs. To me, I have

825
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 5: a surprice that wont minus one seventy five. I really

826
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 5: liked this early value here on this Chiefs number and

827
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 5: minus one thirty.

828
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 1: Sansas City Chiefs professionals. Los Angeles Chargers are trying to

829
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 1: be professionals, and I think they're getting closer. They're at

830
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 1: plus three hundred. They drafted mari and Hampton in the

831
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 1: first round. I know that Evan loved Hampton and we

832
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,439
Speaker 1: had a lot of conversations about that last week when

833
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 1: we had him in raybaon On. I think they had

834
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: a totally good draft. Did they put themselves in a

835
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 1: position to be better than the Chiefs? Probably not, But

836
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 1: you can't get there unless you have Patrick Mahomes. The

837
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 1: real question for them is just another year playing with Harbaugh,

838
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 1: and he did a miraculous turnaround with them last year.

839
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 1: His team's always get that much better in the second year.

840
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:18,399
Speaker 1: So if you're gonna bet on them, it's because you're

841
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 1: betting on Harbaugh and sort of the value of his system.

842
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 1: What's interesting to me is justin Herbert would get crushed

843
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 1: from the center of his offensive line, the middle of

844
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: that offensive line. Last year, they kind of didn't do

845
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 1: much in the draft to improve that.

846
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, and like, honestly, I didn't think the Church would

847
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 5: be that good last year. And what I relooked was

848
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 5: this kid Minter, like this DC they brought in that

849
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 5: totally changed the team. Like as much you want to

850
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 5: give credit to Horrorball, it was the defense that carried

851
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:55,360
Speaker 5: them that entire season. Like they just basically ran it

852
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 5: first a second down, then you know Herbert would make

853
00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:59,879
Speaker 5: a nice plan third down. That was their offense, where

854
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 5: defense they kept getting stops and even against good teams

855
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 5: early on, Like I remember the Chiefs when they played

856
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 5: early on, they were really stout against them. And you know,

857
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 5: I get why the public is fascinating this team, but

858
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:13,320
Speaker 5: I think they were a year early.

859
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 3: And it's moved the number two much.

860
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 5: I don't think there's any value here plus three hundred,

861
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 5: no value for me on this Chargers team. Like you

862
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 5: just said, this draft it was good, but it was

863
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 5: good in the sense that it's like, does it really

864
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 5: help them be so much better than they were last year?

865
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 5: Their run game was pretty stylid last year with a

866
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 5: bunch of nobody, so obviously Hampton should be a big uptick.

867
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 5: This kid seems like an absolute stud, you know, such

868
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 5: a horrorball pick and at that spot like taking a

869
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 5: running back where I didn't see it coming just because

870
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,919
Speaker 5: they already have guys. But after they make the pick,

871
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 5: it makes total sense because he is so good. But

872
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 5: you know, looking at it over, the more I look

873
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 5: at their draft, I'm just like, Okay, it is a

874
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 5: horriball draft. Right he went running back, wide receiver, and

875
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 5: then a couple of guys in the D line like

876
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 5: they're just filling it out, trying to get better, like

877
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 5: you just said, trying to get more of his identity

878
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 5: as they go along here.

879
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,399
Speaker 3: But a plus three hundred that just feels like.

880
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 5: Way too much respect for what they did last year

881
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 5: or last year felt very flukey based on the schedule

882
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:14,399
Speaker 5: they had, and very fluke in the sense that Mint

883
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 5: during this defense was just out of this world how

884
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:20,359
Speaker 5: good they were for the first twelve weeks. So yeah,

885
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 5: for value wise, I wouldn't bet them for this division.

886
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting with the Broncos. Sean Payton

887
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:31,479
Speaker 1: was really vocal all weekend defending Shador Sanders, talking about

888
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 1: how he knew the family. You know, he had been

889
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 1: in Dallas when Shador was in Texas and has a

890
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 1: relationship with them, and was truly saying teams are going

891
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 1: to regret passing on Shad Door Sanders. He didn't draft

892
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 1: Shad Door Sanders to be a backup to bo Nicks

893
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 1: at any point, no matter how valuable he thought the

894
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 1: placement might.

895
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 2: Have been might have been. In the draft.

896
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: They did draft that cornerback from Texas, Baron, who you know,

897
00:42:56,280 --> 00:43:00,360
Speaker 1: is crazy fast. To me, they're more interesting as a

898
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:03,840
Speaker 1: play at plus three twenty five then the Chargers at

899
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 1: plus three hundred because we saw how good this defense was,

900
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 1: and we saw bo Knicks get better and better every

901
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 1: single week. So now all of a sudden they've got

902
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 1: another weapon in that secondary that makes them that much

903
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: more challenging for a team like Kansas City, which has

904
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 1: the best quarterback in the NFL.

905
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're gonna like it even more.

906
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 4: Chet.

907
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 3: It's plus three seventy five plus four hundred, so even better.

908
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 2: Ma, dude should have put my glasses on for that one.

909
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:33,320
Speaker 5: No, it's to me, that's the value in this division,

910
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 5: right Like, I feel like you just nailed it. Where

911
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 5: we're banking on the year two jump from bow Knicks,

912
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 5: which we I know it's annoying people, but it's a

913
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 5: it's a real thing that year two jump with these

914
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 5: quarterbacks go through. You know Mahomes first MVP season, that

915
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 5: was this first year as a start, it was a

916
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 5: year two jump. Lamar first year's MVP year two jump,

917
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 5: you know, second season as a starter. So this draft,

918
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,720
Speaker 5: to me, they nailed it. Like I love the quarterback

919
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 5: that got out of Texas and now you know your

920
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 5: secondary is one of your biggest straints. Now it's like

921
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 5: even more insane, like it's just another team that they

922
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 5: didn't force a draft pick. They didn't force a D

923
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,439
Speaker 5: lineman that they do need. They took the best player

924
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 5: available on their draft board. And I loved it. And

925
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 5: you know, Harvey the running back from UFC. It'll be

926
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 5: unknown how good he'll be in the NFL, but he's

927
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 5: got all these free qualities to him. And I love

928
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 5: those type of running backs where it's like, yes see

929
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 5: the vision and a guy that you know, Peyton is

930
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 5: just like out of this world. He the stuff he

931
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 5: can do with running backs. You know, Darren Sproll is

932
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 5: the first one that pops on the mind what he

933
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 5: was able to do with him once he came down

934
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 5: there and Reggie Bush. Yeah right, Reggie Bush. He just

935
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 5: he can he can keep going. He no, but seriously,

936
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 5: he gets this vision for these guys and he can

937
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:52,879
Speaker 5: mold the offense around them as well, which is something

938
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 5: very unique to Sean Payton and his offensive schemes.

939
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 3: So you know, big big deal. They've done all this,

940
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 3: and our.

941
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 5: View of it is just okay, the defense takes another step,

942
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 5: if bon next tacks another step, it's all there.

943
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 3: Right.

944
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 5: They have a coach who, in my mind, is on

945
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 5: the same type of level offensively as Andy Reid is.

946
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 5: And you saw that last year, like Bo Nicks. I

947
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 5: wish people could heard Man Mitchell talk about him coming

948
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 5: to the season this. I think most college fans buried that.

949
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:19,359
Speaker 3: Man.

950
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 5: They're just like, who the hell are they taking their

951
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 5: first round and bone Knicks and he saw his year

952
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 5: went along like he fits so perfectly.

953
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 3: Into that scheme that he was running.

954
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 5: So really excited to see if they have a year

955
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 5: to jump or a team that could just be like

956
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 5: what they were last year they overachieved and just fall

957
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 5: in their face because bone Knicks is overrated and he

958
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:39,320
Speaker 5: just got lucky after one fluke year in the NFL

959
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 5: so high upside team, huge floor, like really could drop

960
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:48,320
Speaker 5: down to five six wins this up coming season just because.

961
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 3: They were so ahead of the child. I remember they

962
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:50,479
Speaker 3: had a run.

963
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 5: At one point they had won like seven straight road games,

964
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,879
Speaker 5: like very bizarre, how damnant they were. So yeah, this

965
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 5: is this is a team that you know, really out

966
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 5: kicked their cover left last season.

967
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 3: We took them and take another step. We're gonna bet

968
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:05,800
Speaker 3: on it, but I am nervous making this bet on Bonnicks.

969
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 1: How do you feel about the Las Vegas Raiders at

970
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 1: sixteen to one with Gino Smith and Ashton Genty and

971
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: Pete Carroll as the head coach, I'd be tempted to

972
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 1: take their over season win total. Tempted because I do

973
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 1: think there's enough talent with Gino Smith and brought Bauers

974
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:30,359
Speaker 1: and Ashton Genty, they will just be so much better

975
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 1: than last year offensively, and the market will keep them

976
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 1: being depressed.

977
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 5: Well, something really depressing is I got this at twenty

978
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 5: to one, and then when they added Gino it only moved.

979
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 3: To sixteen to one, So it just shows the books just.

980
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 5: Don't respect Gino at all. I'm with you though, this

981
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 5: number feels insane. Like, like we said before, this is

982
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 5: a physical game. We've already seen Mahomes. You know, he

983
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:56,959
Speaker 5: got injured on a touch push. That's why he doesn't

984
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 5: even do QB sneaks anymore, like his knee. Last time

985
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 5: he did a q YOU sneak, his knee popped out.

986
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 5: I remember that, and there's a reason they don't do

987
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:04,800
Speaker 5: that with him anymore.

988
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 3: You know, this is a fickle league.

989
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 5: So it's like this, this Raiders team is going to

990
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:14,760
Speaker 5: take such a huge jump going from Minshew to Gino Smith,

991
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 5: a guy who is smart and his patient in the

992
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 5: pocket and can read a defense. Yeah, like I hate

993
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:24,800
Speaker 5: that genty win here, but maybe that pick saved my ass.

994
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 5: Like if he would have went after pick six, that

995
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 5: would have.

996
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 3: Cost me an insane amount of money. So yeah, I

997
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 3: got really lucky he went there.

998
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 5: Don't know if I love the fit for gent, but

999
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 5: it's like that's an instant a plus move for their

1000
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 5: offense right Like this already this is already going to

1001
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 5: let it be that the box if they ever even

1002
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 5: try a stack against Gino.

1003
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:44,879
Speaker 3: We've seen Geno.

1004
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 5: Maybe that was part of the DK effect, but to me,

1005
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 5: Gino is best downfield, like him pushing the ball down

1006
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 5: field is when he's at his best. For some reason,

1007
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 5: it's when he's like you know, taking his time too

1008
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 5: long in the pocket, trying to go through all his

1009
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 5: motions that he struggles. So I'm with you, Chad. The

1010
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 5: fact that this is sixteen to one. Still it's just

1011
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 5: like Cleveland. We'll throw a little bet on it, just

1012
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,399
Speaker 5: because the crazy things that have happened. My big, big

1013
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 5: bet like that, I'm gonna take a large position on

1014
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 5: It's going to be the chiefs in this division at

1015
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 5: minus one thirty. That's where if you want to lock

1016
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 5: up your money now, that's where I would go with it.

1017
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 5: But if you're like us, you love madness and the

1018
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 5: crazy upside.

1019
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 3: Sixteen to one. Geno Smith, come on, let's throw a

1020
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 3: little piece on that.

1021
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:29,239
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1024
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:46,880
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1025
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 1: Geno Smith. We end it talking about how we believe

1026
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:54,000
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1027
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:58,080
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