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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,
Speaker 2: my name is Nolan.
Speaker 3: They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our
Speaker 3: super producer Paul, Mission control decand most importantly, you are here.
Speaker 3: That makes this the stuff they don't want you to know.
Speaker 3: Bit of background, folks, fellow conspiracy realists. We are recording
Speaker 3: live ish in our office today on a beautifully British
Speaker 3: Friday morning. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Man, we're in the studio. This thing has underlighting.
Speaker 4: What Yeah, the weather outside matches the town of Ben's computer,
Speaker 4: which is space gray, which is also appropriate for today's episode.
Speaker 3: Wait, darn all of our computers right. Mine is not
Speaker 3: officially space gray.
Speaker 4: Space gray is a colorway patented by Apple. I think
Speaker 4: matthew space gray Apple. All the new ones School silver,
Speaker 4: those are space gray.
Speaker 3: Okay, so the new ones are like Ford Model T's
Speaker 3: any color you want, as long as it's black. Basically,
Speaker 3: I think there were there were three others. There was
Speaker 3: like a rose one.
Speaker 2: It looks almost like bone.
Speaker 3: It does look a bit like apple. They're all great
Speaker 3: to me.
Speaker 4: Oh, I went to an apple store the other day
Speaker 4: that it looks like you're walking into a hospital.
Speaker 3: It's just very clinical. There's something about it that's a
Speaker 3: little sterile, because stuff keeps breaking when I'm on the road.
Speaker 3: I've been in apple stores in other countries and I
Speaker 3: get I say, it's uniformly the same exactly. That's how
Speaker 3: they like it. Yeah, and we're talking today about looking
Speaker 3: at things closely. It's very easy to take things for
Speaker 3: normal and kind of sort of put blinders on, right,
Speaker 3: that's just part of being a human. But when is
Speaker 3: the last last time you really gazed up at the
Speaker 3: night sky? Last night a couple a week about a
Speaker 3: week ago.
Speaker 4: I just remember walking home it was nighttime, looking up
Speaker 4: in my neck of the woods and seeing constellations and
Speaker 4: being kind of impressed by my you know, relative close
Speaker 4: proximity to a giant city, how well I could see
Speaker 4: said constellations. Yeah, Daddy lives a little bit more out
Speaker 4: in the in the mood country of the docks.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I looked up, took my dogs outside, and there she was,
Speaker 2: the big dipper like right, Like I guess where the
Speaker 2: trees are. I looked up in the clearing of the
Speaker 2: trees and the big dipper filled out the entirety of
Speaker 2: that thing, and my brain just said, this is nice, beautiful.
Speaker 3: I've got. I've got a rooftop situation now where I'm
Speaker 3: currently living. And as as a thrifty, brave, clean reverend
Speaker 3: type dude, I love having a bootleg planetarium at home.
Speaker 3: So instead of going out and spending money pretty often
Speaker 3: now I will just go up to this place and
Speaker 3: hang out. And like most people in the world, folks,
Speaker 3: we live in or on the edge of a huge conurbation,
Speaker 3: a lot of urban density. And I love the point
Speaker 3: you're making about lights, because a conturbation is just as
Speaker 3: our fancy way to say, you live around a lot
Speaker 3: of light pollution, a lot of noise pollution. So even
Speaker 3: when we look up and try very hard to see
Speaker 3: what's going on, it can be difficult to see all
Speaker 3: the strange things in orbit. And make no mistake, there
Speaker 3: is a lot up there, especially close to Earth.
Speaker 4: Here are the facts spy satellites. Guys, you know them,
Speaker 4: you love them. They keep you up at night. There's
Speaker 4: been songs written about them. At the very least satellites.
Speaker 4: Who've got the Dave Matthews band, We've got the Counting
Speaker 4: Crows album.
Speaker 3: Was it? What's it called?
Speaker 2: Something the satellites?
Speaker 3: What are they doing to the chasing satellite?
Speaker 4: Chasing them there, discovering uh binking, touching them?
Speaker 3: We're getting closed, gosh, harassing the satellite. That's not cool.
Speaker 3: I didn't say it was cool. I said that might
Speaker 3: be what they named it. It's called old uh oh, gosh.
Speaker 3: I just have to know because there's August and everything after.
Speaker 3: That's right, that's a memorable title.
Speaker 2: It is welcome back to this is important where we
Speaker 2: only talk about the absolutely most important, vital recovering recovery.
Speaker 3: I said, discovering. Okay, we had to put that to bed, Matt.
Speaker 3: We can't just let that.
Speaker 2: Is that a Corona reference?
Speaker 3: Well, it could be, we'd have to ask Adam Duritz.
Speaker 3: But the the it's true that spy satellites are a
Speaker 3: real thing, and they're kind of a conundrum right in
Speaker 3: the world, a conspiracy because they're definitely real. They do
Speaker 3: amazing sci fi level stuff, but they're also definitely not
Speaker 3: as secret as their creators would hope. Because as we've
Speaker 3: discussed in the past. You can't hide the fact that
Speaker 3: they're being launched. You usually can't. There's one case we'll
Speaker 3: talk about that's very interesting. You can't make these things invisible.
Speaker 3: Amateur skywatchers with just prosumer telescopes will be able to
Speaker 3: spot objects in the sky. And they're huge communities online
Speaker 3: that just track these things. Because there are so many
Speaker 3: in the sky right now, it might surprise people. I
Speaker 3: don't know. It's on the edge of where we could
Speaker 3: say this is a recent phenomenon or it's a surprisingly
Speaker 3: old phenomenon because it dates back to like the nineteen fifties.
Speaker 3: It's when the US first started saying, hey, let's elevate
Speaker 3: our spy game. Yeah, literally elevate. I'm doing atmosphere jokes. Well, also,
Speaker 3: spy games are a thing, right, is that a film? Yes?
Speaker 2: I think something like that. But it does make sense
Speaker 2: because it goes back to rockets, right, It goes back
Speaker 2: to Operation paper Clip, It goes back to being able
Speaker 2: to actually keep something stable in a well often did
Speaker 2: you synchronous orbit right, which is like twenty two thousand
Speaker 2: miles above planet Earth?
Speaker 3: A little?
Speaker 2: I think it's twenty twenty three hundred something like that.
Speaker 4: Stable in terms of connection to Earth, or just in
Speaker 4: terms of it in a stable or orbit like it
Speaker 4: won't decay as quickly. I think even more importantly that
Speaker 4: you can predict where.
Speaker 2: It will be at any time exactly, which means you
Speaker 2: can communicate with it, which brings along communication, satellites, all
Speaker 2: the things that we take for granted these days in
Speaker 2: our monern technology. It's because we can talk to something
Speaker 2: in the sky.
Speaker 3: And if you don't care, if you're like I'm a
Speaker 3: surface dweller, why does a satellite matter to me. I'm
Speaker 3: not a billionaire guy interested in space. I don't work
Speaker 3: at NASA or the NRORO. It matters because these satellites
Speaker 3: make the actual world as you know it possible. If
Speaker 3: these things are gone, if they're all damaged in some
Speaker 3: sort of disastrous scenario, it's back to the dark ages
Speaker 3: very very quickly.
Speaker 2: Can we just talk about, like every other technology, satellites
Speaker 2: are a thing because of war or potential war for
Speaker 2: military right?
Speaker 3: Yes? Absolutely?
Speaker 2: And was is it true the first ones were recon
Speaker 2: like the first satellites ever up there?
Speaker 3: Yet the very first satellite is sputn it well, of course, right,
Speaker 3: And that was we can do this. That was successful
Speaker 3: because it got there, yeah, yeah, yeah, but it's it
Speaker 3: didn't stay there long. Yeah. The first satellites that we
Speaker 3: would consider like in a stable orbit were reconnaissance things,
Speaker 3: and they started because the US panicked Sputnik launched like okay,
Speaker 3: in nineteen fifty five. The US Air Force said, we
Speaker 3: got to make satellites. They're going to be reconnaissance satellites
Speaker 3: because we have to figure out what's going on with
Speaker 3: any potential enemy. And they didn't name this potential enemy,
Speaker 3: but it was nineteen fifty five. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4: So my question is what does a reconnaissance satellite in
Speaker 4: nineteen fifty five do?
Speaker 3: Exactly?
Speaker 2: Well, well, that's that's the thing, right, look at your
Speaker 2: enemy's positioning. Because you're so high up, you can actually
Speaker 2: see their territory from a god's eye angle, I guess.
Speaker 2: And now you can actually see if there's a factory,
Speaker 2: what's coming out of that factory. If your enemy isn't
Speaker 2: like concealing its.
Speaker 5: Literal satellite photography in nineteen fifty five, it's they get there,
Speaker 5: that's the idea, because they didn't have, you know, the
Speaker 5: technology to electronically send good visuals.
Speaker 3: So in after spot Nick launches in October nineteen fifty seven,
Speaker 3: the US absolute panics, and they panic for good reason.
Speaker 3: They take this project that have been kind of cooking
Speaker 3: on the back burner, called the Corona Program, and they
Speaker 3: put all the gas of Uncle Sam's military mite behind it.
Speaker 3: The first satellites were called Keyhole series, and they were
Speaker 3: amazing at the time. But if you're if you're into
Speaker 3: satellites today, you look back at them, they're mids dude.
Speaker 3: They use physical film cameras and they had no way
Speaker 3: to get the film back to Earth right, so they
Speaker 3: had to air drop it and be like, I hope
Speaker 3: this shows up not in Russian territory.
Speaker 2: And not burnt up because there was a flaw in
Speaker 2: the capsule or the pictures didn't turn out.
Speaker 3: We also hope the pictures are good. Ye have develop
Speaker 3: them literally right, right, Like the many of us in
Speaker 3: the crowd are old enough to remember that sort of
Speaker 3: waiting game you had to play right where you had
Speaker 3: a camera, a role of film or maybe even disposable cameras,
Speaker 3: and you would take pictures and hope it looked good.
Speaker 3: You would drop it off at your I guess the
Speaker 3: old school ones the photo Matt or your local drug store,
Speaker 3: and then you know, you would just spend a few
Speaker 3: days saying, I hope it looked as good as they felt.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the viewfinder hopefully didn't lie.
Speaker 3: The viewfinder hopefully didn't lie. And that's the game Corona
Speaker 3: was playing too. Still, the idea was always this is
Speaker 3: better than nothing. That's been the impetus of all spy satellites. Today,
Speaker 3: you might be surprised to find that spy satellites are
Speaker 3: totally legal. There's the un is, like we can't stop it,
Speaker 3: like the un is, like the cool parents who let
Speaker 3: the high schooler kids drink booze at home.
Speaker 4: Yeah, as long as you do it under our watch,
Speaker 4: under our room, as long as I'm in you know, space.
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to I'm trying to understand how you
Speaker 2: could release something like that, right, I mean, if some
Speaker 2: if you're going to allow a country to launch a satellite, right,
Speaker 2: you would have to inspect each satellite that happen. Are
Speaker 2: there optics on this thing?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 4: We talked about that recently in terms of nuclear proliferation,
Speaker 4: for example, like the logistics of you know, how difficult
Speaker 4: it is to police that stuff and to do these inspections.
Speaker 4: Now people can hide and obfuscate those kinds of inspections.
Speaker 3: What was it in relation to we did? It was
Speaker 3: sort of an allergy.
Speaker 4: It was a recent episode came about Manors nuclear it
Speaker 4: was about it was about Antarctica. It was about doing
Speaker 4: like research stations for military purposes in Antarctica, and how
Speaker 4: there's no governing body that could reasonably logistically, you know,
Speaker 4: pull that off.
Speaker 3: I think this is a similar situation, but.
Speaker 4: I guess because the playing field is equal, because there's
Speaker 4: it's space.
Speaker 3: If you can get there, go with God. Literally, that's
Speaker 3: kind of the best security measure against shenanigans in space.
Speaker 3: The barrier to enter space is literally so high.
Speaker 2: I'm going to keep doing the twenty two thousand miles.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Change, Okay, So wait, you're saying, is outer space
Speaker 3: just some wild West sci fi mad back situation? Kind
Speaker 3: of not really. Since nineteen sixty seven, all of the
Speaker 3: major space powers have agreed at least lip service to
Speaker 3: something called the Outer Space Treaty. Its technical name is
Speaker 3: the Treaty Principles governing the activities of States and the
Speaker 3: exploration and use of outer space comma, including the Moon
Speaker 3: and other celestial bodies. Is there a sexy acronym for that,
Speaker 3: or no outer space treaty right right garment pussy or whatever.
Speaker 3: But this whole agreement is a direct result of the
Speaker 3: fear the world felt of the US and USSR arms race.
Speaker 3: Nations of Earth were rightly worried that they didn't get
Speaker 3: in front of this space would become the new battle
Speaker 3: ground for all sorts of nasty things. That it happened
Speaker 3: because the reason people got scared enough to put aside
Speaker 3: their differences and sign up is because of intercontinental ballistic
Speaker 3: missiles which could just smack you from the other side
Speaker 3: of the world, leveraging outer space. And at the time
Speaker 3: these things were invented, no one could stop them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they do go into space.
Speaker 3: They do.
Speaker 2: That is like the important thing. When you launch one
Speaker 2: of those, it goes away up, travels real quick, and
Speaker 2: then gets down to its intended target if you know
Speaker 2: the targeting system works. Because as we talked about recently
Speaker 2: in our Strange News episode, sometimes that doesn't work and
Speaker 2: it goes way on target.
Speaker 3: The best way to stop at ICBM is to stop
Speaker 3: it from launching in the first place. Hell or high water,
Speaker 3: which gets really I'll say spoopy really quickly.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and when there's also a fear in this time,
Speaker 2: in the nineteen fifties and sixties, that you could have
Speaker 2: a nuclear weapon up in space somewhere and your enemies
Speaker 2: wouldn't know about it, and then you could launch it
Speaker 2: at any time, and everybody is thinking that that's a possibility,
Speaker 2: which is really creepy because it feels like everybody might
Speaker 2: be trying to develop it before their opponents do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like Khrushchev wakes up on the wrong side of
Speaker 3: the bed one day and says, you know what, I think,
Speaker 3: California sucks, and then there's no way to stop it.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, but even I think just that mindset of
Speaker 2: it's better to have it in place than not have
Speaker 2: it in place, just in case we need it.
Speaker 3: And California doesn't suck. We're big fans. I think we're
Speaker 3: safe to see. We're big fans in most states right
Speaker 3: in general?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so, Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 3: All right, there was a pause.
Speaker 2: I was thinking about a couple of places. Okay, I'm
Speaker 2: not going to say.
Speaker 3: All right, all right, we'll be diplomatic, and speaking of diplomacy,
Speaker 3: maybe we talk just real briefly about what this treaty
Speaker 3: in nineteen sixty three, what it actually did, why it
Speaker 3: matters today because there are a couple of important things
Speaker 3: it bans explicitly, but then there are a couple of loopholes. Correct.
Speaker 4: These key provisions include limiting the use of the moon
Speaker 4: and all other celestial bodies to peaceful purposes. Sure that
Speaker 4: tracks the moon seems like a peaceful place. The word celestial,
Speaker 4: it invokes feelings of serenity and peace. I would say,
Speaker 4: surely we can stick to this, guys. We can all
Speaker 4: agree to keep things, you know, copastic in space right
Speaker 4: suit of happiness.
Speaker 2: But in the pursuit of peace, we may need a
Speaker 2: security force to you know, make sure the police.
Speaker 3: Trust but verify security or peace through security whatever it
Speaker 3: was they say in v for Vendetta.
Speaker 4: Yeah, guys, after all, aren't all war is just a
Speaker 4: means to peace?
Speaker 3: I mean, the end of the day, I think it's
Speaker 3: still pretty screwy that we call things the Department of defense,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like, how aggressive is defense?
Speaker 3: Before you're over the line of what that word described, we.
Speaker 4: Got to call it the Department of smash. We've also
Speaker 4: got the idea establishing space as a freely explored and
Speaker 4: usable space.
Speaker 3: By all nations. Yes, so long as they can afford it.
Speaker 4: Well, it get to your point earlier, Ben, the barrier
Speaker 4: to entry in and of itself is its own safeguard
Speaker 4: against well, not necessarily bad actors, but at least against
Speaker 4: actors that we are not aware of, because if you're
Speaker 4: not in the game, chances are you don't have the
Speaker 4: toys that it's going to take to get there.
Speaker 2: It is a shared domain, right sure, because and it
Speaker 2: reminds me of the way I guess the Earth's governing
Speaker 2: bodies have decided to look at international waters, right, and
Speaker 2: oceans kind of that same deal, Like, if it's not
Speaker 2: in your official territory, then it's everybody's. But it doesn't
Speaker 2: make sense to me because you control humans control airspace
Speaker 2: like very closely, right, they also control territories of water,
Speaker 2: you know, certain distance outside of their official land territory.
Speaker 2: It does feel like you would go all the way up.
Speaker 2: Basically at some point they're like, oh, that is this
Speaker 2: is Canadian space. Don't come in here unless we allow
Speaker 2: you to.
Speaker 3: And then that becomes tricky because you can think of
Speaker 3: like if you think of orbits as a series of
Speaker 3: concentric spheres. They're not always geosynchronous. Yeah, so the air,
Speaker 3: the space space over Canada one at one point may
Speaker 3: not be the same space the next point.
Speaker 2: Can we can we we've done this before in another episode.
Speaker 2: I think we talked about this episode geosynchronous right those words.
Speaker 3: Yes, I would love a little clarification.
Speaker 2: Well, it's it's synchronized with with Earth the rotor right
Speaker 2: when we're rotating. So when you put one of those
Speaker 2: up there, it's in the same place relative to the ground.
Speaker 3: It's got to fix latitude but not no, it's got
Speaker 3: to fixed longitude. But yes, fixed latitude.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 3: That's it. So yeah, this is and there's an art
Speaker 3: to making that. Also, the Outer Space Treaty says and
Speaker 3: just in case anybody gets squirrely, you can't land on
Speaker 3: stuff in space and say it belongs to you. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so you can't like, okay, everybody have your little race
Speaker 3: to the moon, but it's not yours just because you
Speaker 3: had a flag. We know they knew about terran Olious,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say, but.
Speaker 4: Then again, you know, with all the conversations who had
Speaker 4: about Aran Aulius and all of the you know, the
Speaker 4: domineering behaviors of invading forces over time. It really all
Speaker 4: comes down to your ability to defend your decision, you know,
Speaker 4: militarily speaking, Like, if it gets to a point where
Speaker 4: someone decides they're gonna claim something in space and they
Speaker 4: have the guns or the space weapons to you know,
Speaker 4: put their money where their mouth is, who's to stop them?
Speaker 3: And that's where we get to the loopholes of the treaty,
Speaker 3: which are mission critical for our exploration. The treaty does
Speaker 3: not ban several things. It does not ban spy or reconnaissance. First,
Speaker 3: how would they to the earlier point? And secondly, everybody
Speaker 3: kind of low key agreed that they were going to
Speaker 3: sneak that stuff up there anyway. It doesn't ban anything
Speaker 3: that vaguely qualifies as research, and research is a huge
Speaker 3: umbrella of a term. Also, surprisingly does not ban all
Speaker 3: military activities. You can still make a space force several
Speaker 3: countries have. You can still put what they call conventional
Speaker 3: weapons in space.
Speaker 2: So just no new space.
Speaker 3: Can you know, like a nice like a glave, Yeah,
Speaker 3: like a morning Star star a battle axe, yeah yeah,
Speaker 3: if you need it, if you needed your battle acts
Speaker 3: and juggle.
Speaker 4: If the rules were Hey, violence in space is fine,
Speaker 4: but we can only.
Speaker 3: Use hand to hand weapons. Yeah, and it's it's paradoxical though,
Speaker 3: that things that are so easily visible in the sky
Speaker 3: are the subject of such conspiracy and secrecy. Still, well
Speaker 3: before the recent news about Russia broke, it was obvious
Speaker 3: to everyone there's a new space race afoot. As of
Speaker 3: twenty twenty, which is now four years ago, one fifth
Speaker 3: of all the satellites up there belong to our military
Speaker 3: satellites and they are used for spy. So imagine satellites
Speaker 3: as the population of a country and one fifth of
Speaker 3: the people living there work for a spy agency. Dude,
Speaker 3: that's a good way to think about. Like, well, I
Speaker 3: don't know if I like that, but I like the analogy.
Speaker 2: Well, like three fifths of them are starlink satellites. Like, seriously,
Speaker 2: they've watched so many in the what past decade or less?
Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty recently, and we're going to see that this
Speaker 3: trend continues. Satellites proliferate because there's economy of scale, there's
Speaker 3: greater interest on the part of frankly billionaires, but then
Speaker 3: also state powers, and they're able to make smaller satellites
Speaker 3: that are much less expensive. So as a result, there
Speaker 3: are more satellites and there are more stories of strange
Speaker 3: satellites than ever before. I want to take a break
Speaker 3: for a word from our responsor while this shoots across space. Louis.
Speaker 2: Oh, guys, the AT and T network is out again.
Speaker 3: Ah, crap, all it a second, there it is, okay,
Speaker 3: just just hit it a couple of times. All right. Break.
Speaker 3: Here's where it gets crazy, all right. So for your
Speaker 3: average like war mongering nation not naming names. Things get
Speaker 3: tricky when you get weapons in space, because we said
Speaker 3: the Space Treaty bands militarization. But there's this massive gray
Speaker 3: area of definition between what's considered reconnaissance, like I'm just
Speaker 3: looking or research and just trying something versus weaponization. I'm
Speaker 3: looking at ways to kill you or I'm trying to
Speaker 3: see if there are new ways to kill you. Don't
Speaker 3: look up here, you keep your eyes on the ground.
Speaker 3: Amateur skywalkers or skywatchers will keep skywalkers. So what we
Speaker 3: can say is that the majority of spy satellites, though
Speaker 3: they're shrouded in operational secrecy and it can be tough
Speaker 3: to know specifically what they're doing, we do know their genres.
Speaker 3: They're usually they're like five general categories of spy satellite,
Speaker 3: so we know about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're usually checking out, uh, they're looking for
Speaker 2: signals right of what could be happening on the ground,
Speaker 2: and or checking out what those signals might mean, right. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And they work together often, so it's not like one
Speaker 2: of these going to describe as just working independently. There's
Speaker 2: usually a system of satellite that goes, Okay, we can
Speaker 2: give you this info from this one. We can give
Speaker 2: you this data from the other one, and with this
Speaker 2: one we can see.
Speaker 3: It as long as we our agencies currently agree because
Speaker 3: the time. Yeah, and the Navy's likenh that's our thing though.
Speaker 3: But also it's like dungeons and dragons multi classing. One
Speaker 3: single satellite can have multiple capabilities, especially the newer ones.
Speaker 4: Are there shared satellites, yes, like like like that are
Speaker 4: space space stations and things like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there are satellites that are launched as a cooperative
Speaker 3: measure between a couple of different countries, especially given how
Speaker 3: expensive they are. And then there are ones where one
Speaker 3: country might flit more of the budget, one country might
Speaker 3: have a specialized component, or they might operate it jointly.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And last thing, I know we hear sometimes about
Speaker 4: decommissioned satellites just kind of floating around in space forever
Speaker 4: and adding to the debris belt there. And what is
Speaker 4: the typical life of a satellite? Is it more about
Speaker 4: the tech or its inability to be updated or upgraded?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a lot of It's about a lot of
Speaker 3: It's about the tech, the design of the of the thing,
Speaker 3: and sometimes the flaws in construction.
Speaker 2: Often is amount of fuel on board to be able
Speaker 2: to boost every so often at an interval to maintain that.
Speaker 3: Or and is it a dummy satellite or can it
Speaker 3: reposition itself?
Speaker 2: And as we talked about in Strange News recently, once
Speaker 2: a satellite has lost all its fuel or its ability
Speaker 2: to boost again, it kind of slowly starts to enter atmosphere,
Speaker 2: which could take years.
Speaker 3: That's right. Yeah, it's like do you want and people
Speaker 3: bake this in like do you want your satellite to
Speaker 3: last ten to fifteen years? Sometimes you might say I
Speaker 3: don't want it to last that long because I predict
Speaker 3: that the technology will improve such that this will no
Speaker 3: longer be relative.
Speaker 4: That's exactly planned obsolescence, But it's planning for it gets close.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's a good distinction.
Speaker 2: So what we're talking about just that EARS one satellite. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's going to take one hundred years for it to
Speaker 2: enter Earth's atmosphere, and it's dead and nobody can communicate
Speaker 2: with it. It's not doing anything.
Speaker 3: We can see what.
Speaker 4: It's doing, though, we can track it over that hundred
Speaker 4: years to make sure that it's not going to go boom.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a it's a it's a rusting dead car
Speaker 3: in the front yard of Earth.
Speaker 2: Yes, you could do nothing to it, so if there
Speaker 2: is debris or anything that impacts it, there's no to
Speaker 2: prevent that kind of thing.
Speaker 3: And it's it doesn't work. It's basically this, this pontiac
Speaker 3: is on cinderblocks.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and we also know that space is just absolutely
Speaker 4: lousy with garbage, right, and they're much like I guess,
Speaker 4: there's no singular agency to police what people do with space. Likewise,
Speaker 4: there isn't one to keep us from ruining space.
Speaker 3: There are institutions that have been waving the flag for
Speaker 3: years and they're trying to talk sense into people, but
Speaker 3: humans listening to scientists not the best track record, to
Speaker 3: be honest. I mean, they do I think the world powers, though,
Speaker 3: do recognize the efficacy of these things. Like going back
Speaker 3: to those types of spy satellites. You've got things that
Speaker 3: will just watch for missiles, that's the old school stuff.
Speaker 3: And then you've got stuff that will just take pictures,
Speaker 3: literal pictures of Earth from the top of the sky
Speaker 3: survey level. And then the very scary close look telephotos
Speaker 3: stuff where you think, oh wow, can they really see
Speaker 3: as dilated people said, the face of a dime from
Speaker 3: a satellite. That technology is the fighting And yeah, well
Speaker 3: it's been here.
Speaker 2: For longer than we would ever imagine or publicly admit,
Speaker 2: because I was going.
Speaker 3: To ask too.
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, like many things, this stuff, this
Speaker 4: text starts in the military sector and then trickles its
Speaker 4: way down to the public or whatever. So we obviously
Speaker 4: have entertainment companies that have satellites out in space as well,
Speaker 4: but that's piggybacked on the discoveries and innovations of the military.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, and when we say also not just the
Speaker 3: entertainment companies, but telecoms, right, that's what I meant. Definitely broadcasting.
Speaker 3: And then of course nuclear explosion detectors. Their entire job
Speaker 3: is to clock stuff like the Vela incident, and they're
Speaker 3: pretty good with it.
Speaker 2: And that is that is signals intelligence, right, That's more
Speaker 2: like you detect the wave basically of energy that occurs
Speaker 2: when it nuclear explosion happens, and the people who created
Speaker 2: the satellite and the systems understand exactly what that looks
Speaker 2: like when you get a pulse.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And then that's also related right to the radar
Speaker 3: imaging which the Russians pioneered, Yes, which is seeing through
Speaker 3: cloud cover seen at night, Sigand though to be honest
Speaker 3: to your point, Matt, Siggin's the big one sneaking through
Speaker 3: and maybe not interrupting, but eaves dropping on radio waves
Speaker 3: and other forms of communication. The problem is that the
Speaker 3: ability to eavesdrop gets you really closely to the ability
Speaker 3: to intercept, impersonate, to interrupt, and are those are the
Speaker 3: things that keep people up at night. I mean, there's
Speaker 3: so much hidden history here. We shouted this out. Oh,
Speaker 3: I forgot to write that email back, but someone was
Speaker 3: talking with us about this, and we get letters about
Speaker 3: nukes and space pretty often, especially now. A lot of
Speaker 3: us aren't aware of something called starfish Prime, which is
Speaker 3: such a cool nickname.
Speaker 4: It also sounds like a really fancy Starfish steak there
Speaker 4: we go, yeah, or the name of the name of
Speaker 4: a new Guardians of the Galaxy character or Transformer, perhaps star.
Speaker 3: Wards, Starfish Prime, Yeah, yeah, Transformer. So right before the
Speaker 3: Outer Space treaty happens, all the big powers know it's
Speaker 3: on the way, and this is a true story. Somewhere
Speaker 3: in the Doctor Strange Strange Love Halls of Power in
Speaker 3: the US, someone was like, well, guys, if we want
Speaker 3: to blow up some nukes in space, we gotta hop
Speaker 3: to it now while it's still okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And a nuke in space feels like kind of
Speaker 2: a weird idea.
Speaker 3: It feels so American, though, well, because.
Speaker 2: You're okay, correct me. I don't understand the science fully.
Speaker 2: But if you launch a nuclear missile well above Earth's
Speaker 2: orbit that you're outside of the atmosphere completely.
Speaker 3: Would you like be an implosion or something? How would it?
Speaker 3: I don't. It feels like that kind of low gravity, you.
Speaker 2: Don't have molecules that are existing inside to do anything.
Speaker 2: But if you do a high altitude explosion like this,
Speaker 2: then you can see, well, what actually happens on the
Speaker 2: surface of the planet above or below that explosion.
Speaker 4: Could it have effects on things like like we could
Speaker 4: it create a black hole or something?
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sorry, I mean no, you're right. And
Speaker 3: they didn't know they were in an FAFO situation as
Speaker 3: we call it. Like they they did not anticipate so
Speaker 3: much stuff. The Aurora borealities that came out as a
Speaker 3: result the massive emp like this was this was a
Speaker 3: weapon and it blacked out radio communication. It wasn't a
Speaker 3: purposeful weapon, though they wanted to see what happened. And
Speaker 3: I know it sounds like something from Mister Show's sketch,
Speaker 3: like the one where they decided to blow up the moon.
Speaker 3: Why not? Why it's the right look at exactly. I
Speaker 3: think it's so big, Yeah, because it's the first satellite
Speaker 3: whatever it did, this Starfish thing an Operation fishbul which
Speaker 3: was a part They did provide a lot of data
Speaker 3: that would become of increasing importance as space exploration became
Speaker 3: more and more of a reality. But it was just
Speaker 3: like Oppenheimer, Oppenheimer's team, I should say, detonating the first Bob.
Speaker 3: People didn't know, you know, what was going to happen,
Speaker 3: but it did teach people what to look for if
Speaker 3: nukes debtonate up there in the future, so I don't know.
Speaker 4: That's like so, so there are questions around what the
Speaker 4: physical conditions of space would do to the behavior of
Speaker 4: a nuke, Yes, and.
Speaker 3: They were answered. The best answer right now in the
Speaker 3: real world was starfish prime. There are a lot of
Speaker 3: extensive like simulations and models that are probably leaving pretty
Speaker 3: closely to the truth. But that crazy thing classic us.
Speaker 3: That crazy thing actually informs some of the better decisions
Speaker 3: that are being made today. But the problem is everybody
Speaker 3: wants to spy a satellite. Now it's hotter than POGs
Speaker 3: in the nineties or beanie babies. But everybody knows when
Speaker 3: you launch one. The streets are watching, and they're watching
Speaker 3: more and more closely with every satellite that launches. So
Speaker 3: you can obscure the abilities of your satellite, you can
Speaker 3: classify the specifics of its mission, but everybody's going to
Speaker 3: know when a launch occurs. And that's where we get
Speaker 3: to maybe some weird examples of satellite conspiracies. What do
Speaker 3: you say, should we start like plausible and then go
Speaker 3: go to the further end of the spectrum? Sure? All right,
Speaker 3: cool name, honorary, coolest name I think up there with
Speaker 3: Starfish Prime, Palladium at Night.
Speaker 2: What do you think Palladium gets into.
Speaker 3: Well, it depends on who you ask. Uh. Palladium at
Speaker 3: Night launches in September two thousand and nine. We're not
Speaker 3: sure what it gets up to because out of all
Speaker 3: this different spy satellites, you know, the US will usually
Speaker 3: confirm which agency is in charge of it. Is it
Speaker 3: the NRO like most of them in SAA et cetera,
Speaker 3: the Navy or Space Force. To this day, the US
Speaker 3: has never said who runs Palladium at Night. If you
Speaker 3: want to learn more about it and call, it's called
Speaker 3: USA two O seven after Dark.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is from like two thousand and eight, two
Speaker 2: thousand and nine. Yeah, okay, that's a little while back
Speaker 2: from now, but that's still well advanced into the satellite
Speaker 2: programs that existed in the technology it does. What do
Speaker 2: we already talk about how the NRO, the National Recronaissance
Speaker 2: Office runs a lot of the satellites off air.
Speaker 3: I think I can't infermde it in but yeah, National
Speaker 3: Accrownistance Office.
Speaker 2: So it does feel like that that group, that organization
Speaker 2: that was only declassified, by the way, was it is
Speaker 2: in the nineties when the NRO was officially recognized or
Speaker 2: they said, yeah, we're this is a thing.
Speaker 3: They were like the US government version of a cryptid.
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, a very secretive organization that only a few
Speaker 2: people had a need to know basis about even its
Speaker 2: very existence. But they're the group that generally controls and
Speaker 2: when we say that again, controls the satellites that are
Speaker 2: in orbit that have a spy functionality or a let's say,
Speaker 2: a close watch functionality. It seems like Palladium at Night
Speaker 2: would be controlled by this group. But are there other potential.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We got to look up Edward Snowden.
Speaker 2: Remember him, sounds familiar.
Speaker 3: He's Russia's Golden Boy. I'm getding. That's unfair. He had
Speaker 3: to take refuge in Russia because the US was out
Speaker 3: for him after after you release this massive treasure trove
Speaker 3: of classified info. His leaks heavily imply that Lady at
Speaker 3: Night also sometimes called pick a name, is run by
Speaker 3: the NSSA, and we don't know exactly what it's doing.
Speaker 3: Whomever does run it again, never officially confirmed, but during
Speaker 3: the first five years of its launch, from two thousand
Speaker 3: and nine twenty fourteen, we're talking about repositioning. It moved
Speaker 3: around in different types of orbits at least nine different times,
Speaker 3: which is a lot, and each time it moved to
Speaker 3: get closer to a commercial communications satellite, so closer to
Speaker 3: your ateend, closer to yeah, just to sneak in.
Speaker 2: So dude, Yeah, that's totally an essay that I mean,
Speaker 2: that's what we learned about. NSA was doing it like
Speaker 2: the long lines buildings in these other places where they're
Speaker 2: tapping directly into the phone lines and the internet wires
Speaker 2: and tubes, but they're literally doubling everything that's going through
Speaker 2: and making a copy of it so they've got their
Speaker 2: own stream. They're doing it with the satellites.
Speaker 3: They could be I mean, it could be monitoring for
Speaker 3: terrorist activity. That that probably is true. But that's also
Speaker 3: a convenient thing to say, right, just like.
Speaker 2: You're gonna say, is so creepy to me? Y'all, y'all
Speaker 2: are creeps? You hear me? You're over there, just like
Speaker 2: I have to see, oh my god, what they're doing.
Speaker 3: Oh my god. Their street name was no such agency.
Speaker 3: A bunch of pervy boys.
Speaker 2: I'm so gross, y'all.
Speaker 3: Get a dog, right, get a get a hobby. You
Speaker 3: know play boulders Gate three. Uh, it's awesome and it's
Speaker 3: also weirdly horny if that's what you're interested in. People still,
Speaker 3: as a result, aren't one hundred percent agreed on what
Speaker 3: pan or Pollating mint Night is doing up there, But
Speaker 3: they're guessing it's a dedicated calm satellite for intelligence operations
Speaker 3: and enemy territory. It could be a relay station, a
Speaker 3: relay center for drone operations, or it could be that's
Speaker 3: what my money's on. It could be a craft designed
Speaker 3: to spy not really out of Earth but on other satellites,
Speaker 3: including friendlies.
Speaker 2: I would I would say, you're on the money there,
Speaker 2: and I think this was like second or third generation
Speaker 2: of that of that kind of mission up there.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, And then that would necessarily
Speaker 3: mean that because satellite launches have increased, there's a newer
Speaker 3: model out there.
Speaker 2: Oh there is. Should we should we talk about that
Speaker 2: right now? Because I think that's yeah. I think that's good.
Speaker 2: I think it's directly related. Okay, Uh, look up something.
Speaker 2: If you're around and you have access to the internet,
Speaker 2: look up something called Silent Barker or NROL DASH one
Speaker 2: O seven. This is at least according to the NRO
Speaker 2: itself and the Space Force, which is again a real
Speaker 2: thing and it.
Speaker 3: Really is not an anime yet. Uh.
Speaker 2: This is a series of watchdog satellites, that's how they
Speaker 2: describe them, that monitor potential adversaries, not on the ground,
Speaker 2: not in the sky, in the atmosphere, not in the oceans.
Speaker 2: They monitor exactly what's going on in geosynchronous orbit. And
Speaker 2: these these are a series of satellites that have been
Speaker 2: launched there someone were launched in September of twenty twenty three,
Speaker 2: and the government is a little open about it.
Speaker 3: Yeah there because they're sending messages. There's a sciof aspect
Speaker 3: to it.
Speaker 2: I think that's exactly what is. And actually, who's this
Speaker 2: Guy's the NRO director Chris Scalise, I think is how
Speaker 2: you'd say his name. I'm gonna I'm gonna read this
Speaker 2: quote quote. The idea of the mission is to put
Speaker 2: a satellite in geosynchronous orbit and then to be looking
Speaker 2: at that orbital regime, so all of it, and get
Speaker 2: a sense of what's happening day to day. We also
Speaker 2: want to know if there's something going on that is
Speaker 2: unexpected or should be going on. They could potentially represent
Speaker 2: a threat to a high value asset, either hours or
Speaker 2: one of our allies and guys. It's just we're gonna
Speaker 2: get to it at the end of this. But I
Speaker 2: think that is directly related to what happened very recently
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3: It's all related. I would say, it's all very much related.
Speaker 3: And also there's a I love you bringing that quote
Speaker 3: because I always have to chuckle when I hear the
Speaker 3: description like protecting high value assets. Yeah, because that means
Speaker 3: and I'm not joking, this is how this sort of
Speaker 3: stuff works. That means there has been someone who asked
Speaker 3: for help and was told they were not a high
Speaker 3: enough value asset and they got burned.
Speaker 4: I'm sure there's a more diplomatic way that they deliver
Speaker 4: the news to these individuals that's not to hurt.
Speaker 3: Thank you for your service, okay, or something. Here's a
Speaker 3: gold watch, right, or here's a here's here's a special
Speaker 3: compartment in your tooth. Indeed, I'm getting those days are
Speaker 3: bite down. Yeah, but so yeah, silent Barker, they are
Speaker 3: being more public about it. And because also there's sort
Speaker 3: of a the buttoned up secrecy of old is not
Speaker 3: necessarily as useful as it was, because now the capabilities
Speaker 3: to suss out what's happening render that kind of skull
Speaker 3: and bone stuff increasingly irrelevant.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think just the fact that this was
Speaker 2: launched in September of last year, Yes, so like pretty recently,
Speaker 2: and its mission is to check out what's going on
Speaker 2: up there. And then we have our recent news about
Speaker 2: weird stuff going on in the in space. Again, we're
Speaker 2: just kind of teasing that right now because we're going
Speaker 2: to really get into that in a moment. But it
Speaker 2: freaks me out, especially when I think about our discussions
Speaker 2: of X thirty seven, B through Z and whatever else
Speaker 2: is going on up there with those types of craft
Speaker 2: and talking about those high value assets, and then the capabilities.
Speaker 2: I do think you could probably connect dots to all
Speaker 2: of those systems to basically, I think the United States
Speaker 2: is developing a sort of the space force they're talking about.
Speaker 3: It's a net exactly, It's a web. Yeah, there's also
Speaker 3: like car chase scenes, I don't think in what respect.
Speaker 3: You know, like starlink creates a web to allow Internet access,
Speaker 3: So this is a web of surveillance. It's the first
Speaker 3: step towards that. I guess yeah, yeah, it's very good
Speaker 3: steps too. But the car chase thing is okay, these uh,
Speaker 3: the US militaries dispatched this was this happened pretty recently too.
Speaker 3: The US military dispatch satellites to track these two Chinese
Speaker 3: spacecraft that launched. Yes, and just like in a car
Speaker 3: chase situation, the uh, the Chinese operators knew what was
Speaker 3: going on, so they went opposite directions, right, So like
Speaker 3: that's how like that's how you would do a good heist, right.
Speaker 3: So there, And I'm not saying they're doing anything bad.
Speaker 3: I'm saying that people are sensitive. Everybody's starting to build
Speaker 3: their own web.
Speaker 2: I swear some of that world, Ben is so much
Speaker 2: like winking at your opponent and going, I see that,
Speaker 2: you see me?
Speaker 3: Now watch this exactly like we're talking about with the
Speaker 3: conversations with Uncle Gee and Joe Biden. When you're in
Speaker 3: a conversation where both people know that they're lying about something,
Speaker 3: and they both know that the other person is lying,
Speaker 3: then what they talk about actually ends up being very
Speaker 3: close to the truth.
Speaker 2: Interesting, it's weird.
Speaker 3: I think it's somewhat unnecessary, But there are all kinds
Speaker 3: of reasons we don't run world governments.
Speaker 2: I don't know that I've ever experienced that.
Speaker 3: Do you guys?
Speaker 2: Have you been in that situation where you're like having
Speaker 2: a conversation like that that's clandestine?
Speaker 3: I guess not to that degree certainly. I mean, I
Speaker 3: don't know what. Maybe Ben's more likely to have moved
Speaker 3: in some of these circles.
Speaker 4: But you're talking about like sort of saying the loud
Speaker 4: part quiet, like just like a failed.
Speaker 3: In kind of jargony kind of. Yeah, think of like, uh,
Speaker 3: think of like all the you see it all the
Speaker 3: time in fiction, right, Like one one thing that epitomizes
Speaker 3: a great crime thriller is when you have that dramatic
Speaker 3: irony of like, oh you know what a great example
Speaker 3: the Nero own paccino and heat. That's wonderful conversation. They're
Speaker 3: a little bit honest about it at that.
Speaker 4: I guess maybe one version of it too that I'm
Speaker 4: thinking is sort of like mafia phone calls when they
Speaker 4: know they're being tapped.
Speaker 3: Yes, that stuff like that's a perfect example. Yeah, Middle
Speaker 3: Kingdom court intrigues in ancient China. I got you.
Speaker 2: That makes more sense I because I'm thinking about like
Speaker 2: speaking in code and those kinds of things. I'm trying
Speaker 2: to imagine that thing where people are being having that
Speaker 2: very serious conversation, like in a diplomatic moment when they're
Speaker 2: discussing those two satellites that you describe going off in
Speaker 2: two different ways, and the use some US official It
Speaker 2: was just across the table, like, hmm, I saw, I
Speaker 2: noticed your satellites had an interesting trajectory.
Speaker 3: We're grateful for our countries continued cooperation and partnership in
Speaker 3: space would be And it's kind of like, you know,
Speaker 3: our hearts always go out to the poor scientists doing
Speaker 3: the actual science, who are usually friends because they're the
Speaker 3: only people they know who are so into their very
Speaker 3: niche rarefied activities and they have to hope their parents
Speaker 3: let them play together, which is a weird way to
Speaker 3: put it. Yeah, and with this strange Joseph Heller Catch
Speaker 3: twenty two esque kind of situation in space and on
Speaker 3: the surface, we're gonna pause for a word from our sponsors.
Speaker 3: We'll be right back with a possible conspiracy within a
Speaker 3: conspiracy back the zooma latch not zoomba. I forgot what
Speaker 3: zooma is.
Speaker 4: Also not zoom remember remember.
Speaker 2: Yes or zoom that short lived video conference.
Speaker 3: I'm just or that excellent uh, that excellent ad jingle
Speaker 3: was a Volkswagon zoom zoom zoomzoo Wow. The creepy child
Speaker 3: was bring zooms. Do you remember that we're talking instead
Speaker 3: about zooma zooma, not Zoombay exactly Sorry, And that was
Speaker 3: the same kid from Taste rip Oh boy was ever?
Speaker 3: I see that people that could make me so uncomfortable.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about this is the most intriguing accident then
Speaker 2: I have seen in a long time.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm yeah, and we all drive on to eighty five. Gragularly. Uh,
Speaker 3: we were saying we see a lot of accidents, but
Speaker 3: not many compared to Zuma. So Zooma is the street
Speaker 3: name for the USA to A. It was launched by
Speaker 3: SpaceX on January eighth, twenty eighteen, or SpaceX launched something
Speaker 3: on that day. Here's the conspiracy, the most interesting conspiracy
Speaker 3: surrounding the Zuma launch. So our big problem if we
Speaker 3: are space spies is that everyone will know when we
Speaker 3: launch something. No matter what we do, everybody will see
Speaker 3: it because we can't make it invisible.
Speaker 2: But they'll just know we launch something.
Speaker 3: They'll just know we launch something, so we can we
Speaker 3: can try to bury it under paperwork and stuff.
Speaker 4: Well, you know, when we launch like a new spacecraft
Speaker 4: or like a SpaceX thing, it's a big televiszoo event.
Speaker 3: Not so with spy satellites, right.
Speaker 2: Sometimes it still is because the payload.
Speaker 3: Is that's what they can classify. That's what they can hide.
Speaker 3: They can't hide the rocket, but they can hide the
Speaker 3: They can hide stuff in the trunk is the best
Speaker 3: way to put it. And that's what X thirty seven
Speaker 3: B literally does. So here's the conspiracy. What if instead
Speaker 3: of what if instead of just trying to hide stuff
Speaker 3: in the trunk and knowing that people will know when
Speaker 3: we launch something, what if we fake a failed launch?
Speaker 3: What if we fake the death of a satellite?
Speaker 2: So it's like a interesting wow, So you get something
Speaker 2: up there, you put out that to every all of
Speaker 2: your enemies anallies. I like that you've failed. So you've
Speaker 2: got a secret, an actual secret spy satellite.
Speaker 3: And perhaps small enough to be confused with debris.
Speaker 4: Whoa or you could you could hide it aboard one
Speaker 4: of those larger profile experimental launches parasite satellite.
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, yeah all the time. Oh why not just
Speaker 3: call it a para satellite by the way, Oh, if
Speaker 3: we're coining new terms here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, wait, is that you think that's a real thing.
Speaker 3: I think it is a real thing. Yes, it would
Speaker 3: be in their best interests. Yeah, yes, of course, because
Speaker 3: what you can have is you can have like a
Speaker 3: component inside a larger satellite that has the capability to
Speaker 3: deploy that thing later.
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, maybe that's what the NSA thing was doing
Speaker 2: that we were just talking about, going around planting little
Speaker 2: parasites on the satellite.
Speaker 4: And maybe this is a silly question, but how how
Speaker 4: physically large are we talking here? Compared to say a
Speaker 4: space shuttle or a space station, they're quite small.
Speaker 3: They have a lot of variants in size, more like
Speaker 3: a drone nowadays, they're going to be smaller nowadays.
Speaker 2: It going to be the best example I can give
Speaker 2: you from the one that the one we just talked
Speaker 2: about that fell to the Earth. That one was I
Speaker 2: would estimate the rs the eras two. I would estimate
Speaker 2: that that was the size of Gosh, imagine a like
Speaker 2: a sixteen wheeler with these big trucks, right, Imagine you
Speaker 2: cut that thing in half and then put those two
Speaker 2: halves next to each other, so they're in line, does
Speaker 2: that make sense? So the width of those two trucks
Speaker 2: and in the length of half of those two trucks,
Speaker 2: that's roughly the size.
Speaker 3: Of and and that's pretty big.
Speaker 2: That is quite Augekay.
Speaker 3: Yeah. When I say a drone too.
Speaker 4: By the way, I'm not talking about like a personal,
Speaker 4: commercially available drone. I mean like those big military right,
Speaker 4: but those are still smaller than two giant Yeah. But okay,
Speaker 4: this is very helpful for some.
Speaker 3: Well, also there's there's tremendous economic economic design pressure to
Speaker 3: make them as small as possible.
Speaker 2: Yes, and that that one I just described, the size
Speaker 2: is significantly older, which means, as you said, Ben, as
Speaker 2: we're getting further and further advanced, they're getting smaller.
Speaker 3: So okay, so here's what happens. The official story. We
Speaker 3: know the n ro is in charge of Zuma and
Speaker 3: the satellite and the ZOOMA launch, but we don't know
Speaker 3: what it was doing. However, if you're playing along at home,
Speaker 3: let's just diplomatically point out the name of the n
Speaker 3: ro O is the National Reconnaissance Office. So you can
Speaker 3: make some guesses. You make a couple of guesses you
Speaker 3: know what I mean. They're not there to steal cable
Speaker 3: or watch in HK for free, dude.
Speaker 2: No, but although I would love.
Speaker 3: That because that would be a terrible plan. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Okay, so the official story should we do we talk
Speaker 2: about that?
Speaker 3: Yet?
Speaker 2: What what officially happened according to the sources?
Speaker 3: Okay, so it launches, but then the the satellite deployment fails, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and at least initially it was stated that the
Speaker 2: satellite just fell back to Earth, right, but then the
Speaker 2: story started changing from all the different outfits that were
Speaker 2: in charge of the launch itself and who created the assets?
Speaker 2: Is this the one that Northrop Grumming? So like Northrop's
Speaker 2: given a different story the uh, the NRO is just
Speaker 2: like it didn't work, and then somebody else was given
Speaker 2: another story.
Speaker 3: And there were a lot of unnamed official sources in
Speaker 3: the mix, which should always be red flag, right because
Speaker 3: that means that they got greenlit to say something, and
Speaker 3: they don't want anybody to be accountable for what was
Speaker 3: being said because it's probably information or it's yeah, I
Speaker 3: don't know, it could be a couple of things, but
Speaker 3: none of them are very upfront or transparent. And also
Speaker 3: it's interesting because they were like three main players. So
Speaker 3: there's SpaceX North of Grumman and the n RO n
Speaker 3: ROW famously not a talkative group. They're somewhat taciturn.
Speaker 2: And this is right before Space Force.
Speaker 3: Right before Space Force.
Speaker 4: SpaceX famously loudmouthed SpaceX all over the place in terms
Speaker 4: of yeah, the leadership and because those are both private
Speaker 4: ish industry players, SpaceX.
Speaker 3: Is because there's subsidies. They I mean, there's SpaceX and
Speaker 3: North of Grumman both want to put it out in
Speaker 3: the public that they didn't do anything wrong. They held
Speaker 3: up their part of the thing. SpaceX is like the
Speaker 3: launch was normal, We're good at this, we know what
Speaker 3: we're doing. And North of Grumman's like, we built it
Speaker 3: the way we're told to. We're good at this, we
Speaker 3: know what we're doing. Give us more government contracts, please,
Speaker 3: three spider Man pointing at each other exactly.
Speaker 2: But it really was the SpaceX. They use the term
Speaker 2: nominally or it functioned nominally yeah, and.
Speaker 3: What does that mean? Sort of as expected?
Speaker 4: Yeah, but not great but like predictably.
Speaker 3: Not super positively surprising, Yes, yes, but did what we
Speaker 3: thought it was designed to do.
Speaker 4: I think of nominally as being sort of a disclaimer
Speaker 4: almost nomenerally mids thank you.
Speaker 2: So, so what that means is SpaceX's rocket shot up
Speaker 2: in you know, through the atmosphere to its intended altitude.
Speaker 2: Then it's and along the way it separated from the
Speaker 2: rocket parts that have the fuel in it, that were
Speaker 2: boosting it up, the boosters.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: Then once it got to the correct altitude, it allowed
Speaker 2: whatever is attached to it and it's payload to detach
Speaker 2: from the main part of the rocket. And then in
Speaker 2: twenty eighteen, is this when the rockets are returning to
Speaker 2: the at this point or.
Speaker 3: Trying to make the reusable rockets.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just can't remember if that's right in that
Speaker 2: window when the reasonable rockets were happening or right before.
Speaker 2: But either way, SpaceX is saying all of those steps.
Speaker 3: Occurred correctly, right, yeah, And so what what's happening here
Speaker 3: is that everybody involved is saying this is not on us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, because it was. It was a it was
Speaker 2: billions of dollars, right or.
Speaker 3: A couple, It was a lot of It was a lot.
Speaker 3: You're right at the reusable the reusable piece of SpaceX
Speaker 3: and Falcon nine was already in play. I think that
Speaker 3: was like twenty eleven ers. Okay. Wow.
Speaker 2: So yeah, they're saying everything's fine, and it was exactly
Speaker 2: a billion dollars or at least according to ABC News,
Speaker 2: and it just burned up in the atmosphere, corning the
Speaker 2: official story.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So the NRO is saying, you guys ask a
Speaker 3: lot of questions. It's like every time with you people
Speaker 3: just move on, okay and trust us peace through security
Speaker 3: and spying. And the odds are right now that Zoom
Speaker 3: properly did crash or not saying that out of some
Speaker 3: conspiratorial or skeptical bent. It's more that observers would be
Speaker 3: able to see some new addition to the sky.
Speaker 2: Unless it's designed to not be seen.
Speaker 3: Ben. But if it's designed to not be seen, then
Speaker 3: people would have already launched invisible satellites.
Speaker 2: Well what if this is the one man, this is
Speaker 2: the onealth satellite they made stealth everything else.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we should come up. You know, they're doing
Speaker 3: new flavors of Coca cola. Uh yeah, did you see her, buddy, Alex, Yeah,
Speaker 3: the testimonial video. Yeah, I see Raspberry or yeah, I
Speaker 3: tried Coca Cola dream and it's just gross, and you know,
Speaker 3: to be fair, they never said it was a good dream.
Speaker 3: Uh so that's what I get. But but like what
Speaker 3: if we had I should my pitch Coca Cola stealth Yeah, oh,
Speaker 3: what is that? I don't want to over thick.
Speaker 4: It's it's an empty bottles, nothing in it.
Speaker 3: But hey, I know you've been drinking a lot more
Speaker 3: water lately. Good job, Thank you.
Speaker 2: Ben is literally taking a sip from a box of
Speaker 2: drinking water colors.
Speaker 3: That's a waterly Yeah, yeah, it's that's also in the name,
Speaker 3: but I think it's actually the full like logo that is. Yeah,
Speaker 3: they've got a little that's a drop. Yeah, okay, but
Speaker 3: the I just wanted to see that spicy face. No,
Speaker 3: that's that's not too sharp. I think that's label has
Speaker 3: a high explosives before.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, four Energy Midnight cherry Boy, that's at midnight.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, that's weird with people throw midnight and those things.
Speaker 3: But speaking of that's still not the sketchiest satellite. I
Speaker 3: suggest we spend a little bit of time on something
Speaker 3: our long time conspiracy realist will enjoy. So we talked
Speaker 3: about all air oh for many years. We did a
Speaker 3: video on this in YouTube days Black Night satellite. What
Speaker 3: if the one most important spy satellite up there isn't
Speaker 3: man made at all? Who would have made it?
Speaker 1: Then?
Speaker 3: Who would have made who? Indeed, well, the ruse, the kangaroos.
Speaker 2: Wait, are we talking about the heat shield? It's just
Speaker 2: flooding around the space. I'm just joking. I'm just joking.
Speaker 2: That's not what it is, you guys.
Speaker 3: I mean, okay, So the idea is that there's this
Speaker 3: these extraterrestrials got together thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands,
Speaker 3: indeed maybe millions of years ago, and they launched a
Speaker 3: satellite to Earth and it's been hanging out there in
Speaker 3: like a near polar orbit for twelve to thirteen thousand
Speaker 3: years now, and for one reason or another, absolutely everybody
Speaker 3: who can get into space, despite their differences, has cooperated
Speaker 3: to cover it up. Yeah, pensive out breath.
Speaker 2: I mean, look, there is a documentary. I cannot remember
Speaker 2: the name of the gentleman that hosts this documentary, but
Speaker 2: I was watching a clip of it the other day
Speaker 2: and I think I sent it to you guys. I
Speaker 2: was like, we gotta talk about Black Night again, because
Speaker 2: there's an entire documentary on about this concept that you're
Speaker 2: describing that potentially some civilization at some point parked this
Speaker 2: thing up there as a way to monitor what's going
Speaker 2: on on Earth.
Speaker 3: To signal to or whatever.
Speaker 2: Again, Yeah, in combination with whatever other technology we don't
Speaker 2: yet know about, over a timescale that we cannot fathom.
Speaker 2: And it's it's just been that way forever, which gets
Speaker 2: my wheels turning. I think you guys probably too, Like
Speaker 2: when you conceptualize the possibilities there, it's exciting, Yeah, it is,
Speaker 2: but it's probably not true.
Speaker 3: It's probably well, yeah, what is the truth? As the
Speaker 3: NRO would say, you're living in a post truth society. Yes,
Speaker 3: so this is an example of modern folklore like, oh,
Speaker 3: it's been there for thirteen thousand years, someone comes out
Speaker 3: and says, oh, and there are photos of it. Oh,
Speaker 3: and also it's related to whatever my previous pet conspiracy
Speaker 3: theory was.
Speaker 4: So this is like in the same vein as ancient
Speaker 4: aliens type stuff.
Speaker 3: This is telephone game ancient aliens. Yeah, because people kept
Speaker 3: threading together the basic concept with pre existing unrelated stories
Speaker 3: and then adding their own thing on the way. What
Speaker 3: we do know is the the big moment for the
Speaker 3: true believers occurs in Oh gosh, ISS. It was the
Speaker 3: STS eighty eight, the first shuttle mission to the ISS,
Speaker 3: and they publish photos and if you look at the photos,
Speaker 3: you can see what appears to be a small black
Speaker 3: object hovering in low Earth orbit above the planet, and
Speaker 3: then boom, it went all around the.
Speaker 2: World Peoplember nineteen eight, nineteen ninety eight.
Speaker 3: By the way, yes, thank you, yes, And the idea
Speaker 3: was boom in one photograph, we've proved aliens are real,
Speaker 3: they visited Earth, they've been interested enough in life to
Speaker 3: study it. But there is an answer to what it is.
Speaker 2: Well, there's six I think there's six. Yeah, there's six
Speaker 2: photos of this thing from different angles. Right, which is where?
Speaker 2: Which is why what you're getting to right now, Ben,
Speaker 2: That's why it's so important this thing. The shape changes
Speaker 2: as the shuttle is passing by its location, right, so immediately.
Speaker 3: Shape changes in the shape change because of the perspective.
Speaker 2: Which which means it But you'd have to look at it.
Speaker 2: I think one of the reasons they call it Black
Speaker 2: Knight satellite, which this is maybe a complete conjuring in
Speaker 2: my imagination, but there's one photo that I swear it
Speaker 2: looks like Batman with the wings with the wings out.
Speaker 2: I swear that's what it looks like. Ye yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: But the other photo is it just looks like this
Speaker 2: weirdly shaped, kind of curved on one side thing.
Speaker 3: It looks like a regular space chunk.
Speaker 2: Yeah, or a piece of a chip that ripped.
Speaker 3: Off or something. It looks like cosmic flotsam. Right. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's because the answer would you choose to accept it, folks,
Speaker 3: is that the satellite is indeed man made. It's a
Speaker 3: thermal cover, one of four that was meant to clamp
Speaker 3: onto a thing to prevent heat loss. So it's like
Speaker 3: it's like a little jacket for a satellite component. So
Speaker 3: it's cozy, yeah, and also appeared yeah, and they couldn't.
Speaker 3: The thing is on the spacewalk. Spacewalks are amazing and
Speaker 3: terrified and pretty difficult. It's a high stress situation. So
Speaker 3: one of these four thermal covers got away, and you
Speaker 3: can see the video of when it goes wrong. It's online.
Speaker 3: It's just not as popular as the alien satellite videos.
Speaker 2: I have not seen this video, Ben.
Speaker 3: You can see it. You can see a courtesy of
Speaker 3: our friends at space dot com and they link to it,
Speaker 3: and then you can also hear the commander of the
Speaker 3: st S eighty eight mission saying, hey, I think one
Speaker 3: of those thermal covers got away from you, Bud. And
Speaker 3: then they watch it go away. But again they can't
Speaker 3: It's not like you know, when you have a piece
Speaker 3: of paper blow away on a sidewalk. You can't turn
Speaker 3: around and run after it. So they have to kind
Speaker 3: of like watch it go into space. Yeah, exactly, very slowly. Reachy.
Speaker 2: I'm watching the video right now and I'm trying to
Speaker 2: find this moment. I'm just it looks like it's upside
Speaker 2: down from my point of view, so I haven't even
Speaker 2: turned my computer. Okay, this looks more normal. It's definitely
Speaker 2: astronauts working on the outside, and they've got these things
Speaker 2: you're describing. Yeah, yeah, but they look way smaller than
Speaker 2: the object than the size of the object, at least
Speaker 2: my mind perceives in the photos from.
Speaker 3: SDS eighty eight, because again, the the perspective is so tricky. Yeah,
Speaker 3: because depending on the distance of the object from the
Speaker 3: standpoint of the photography, it'll look very big in comparison
Speaker 3: to Earth.
Speaker 2: They're very small, but because of the resolution of the photographs,
Speaker 2: and the resolution is pretty high that it exists that
Speaker 2: it feels the resolution of the actual object feels very
Speaker 2: it's like blurry, I guess, and I don't, man, I'm
Speaker 2: trying to just think back through memory. But it does
Speaker 2: feel way larger because of the focus for some reason.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's sort of similar, I would say, to
Speaker 3: the face on Mars photos because of the perspective that
Speaker 3: gets forced there. It's not a one to one comparison,
Speaker 3: and it's a bit apples to bananas. M That doesn't
Speaker 3: make sense either. I just made that up. That doesn't.
Speaker 3: What I'm saying is it's not a perfect comparison. But
Speaker 3: but from everything we can find, the Black the Black
Speaker 3: Night satellite is or was technically a real thing for
Speaker 3: a minute until it went into the atmosphere and burned up.
Speaker 2: Tway, do we know that that happened.
Speaker 3: That appears to be the case. Yes, it was. It
Speaker 3: was called the cap NASA cataloged it. They call it.
Speaker 3: It was number zero two five five seven zero. And
Speaker 3: then because you know, it can't adjust its orbit because
Speaker 3: it's space trash, Yeah, it's orbit decays rapidly and a
Speaker 3: few days later it hits the atmosphere, it burns up. Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, dang, I was really excited. I thought it was
Speaker 2: still up there.
Speaker 3: It would have been cooler it was still up there.
Speaker 2: What if it is, man, what if this is another
Speaker 2: zooma situation? What if this thing was a spent Panspermia
Speaker 2: delivery system capsule.
Speaker 3: And panspermia so like a space condom.
Speaker 2: No, no, not a propyleactic.
Speaker 3: What I mean is like an IV kind of thing.
Speaker 3: Kind of Yeah, it.
Speaker 2: Gets to the like close to the atmosphere, releases its payload,
Speaker 2: and it drops in it.
Speaker 3: Then call it a spaceload.
Speaker 4: Space guys, I propose that we get Adam Durrett's and
Speaker 4: the Boys and Counting Crows on the case to recover
Speaker 4: these satellites.
Speaker 3: Recover these spaceloads. Uh. It's it's true though, because the again,
Speaker 3: like if you just look at the photographs as Matt's describing,
Speaker 3: it does seem really compelling. At least, it seems so
Speaker 3: unusual that there must be something awry. However, that has
Speaker 3: been pretty pretty thoroughly debunked. We would of course love
Speaker 3: to hear evidence otherwise, if you've got something, if you
Speaker 3: think there's something that needs more exploration. Please let us know.
Speaker 3: We got a shout out to X thirty seven B
Speaker 3: check out our episodes on that. Here's how I think
Speaker 3: we have to end because everybody, like us has been
Speaker 3: consumed with this idea. As we were talking off air
Speaker 3: about this episode and having some very very strange conversations
Speaker 3: about spy satellites that would later become terrifyingly relevant, a
Speaker 3: weird piece of synchronicity hit. Representative Michael laur Turner, a
Speaker 3: Republican of Ohio and chairman of the House Intelligence Committee
Speaker 3: here in the US, went on XFK Twitter is no
Speaker 3: likes to say and claimed Russia had a new space
Speaker 3: based nuclear weapon designed to threaten the satellite web of
Speaker 3: the US. But he didn't say that at first. He
Speaker 3: did the worst thing that the Internet does. He did
Speaker 3: a vague post and he said, hey, Biden administration, I
Speaker 3: can't say what terrifying thing is happening, but it's true,
Speaker 3: and you have to declassify it so that we can
Speaker 3: talk about it to the public, which is such a tear.
Speaker 3: Like you ever get the text where it's like call.
Speaker 4: Me, yeah, I hate those emergency call god no, all right,
Speaker 4: Boomer because he calls anybody anymore.
Speaker 3: It's like when your bank sends something and go, we
Speaker 3: send something to your email, check your inbox, and you
Speaker 3: click on it and it's like, hey, we just want
Speaker 3: to let you know we're your bank. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Wait, do you guys not FaceTime with anybody or like yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 4: That's different though, And that's something you do with friends
Speaker 4: that are very close or family members. But you get
Speaker 4: permission first. You don't just do it sight out the scene.
Speaker 4: That's aggressive nobody. Oh well, look, I literally only do
Speaker 4: it with my kid or someone that I've agreed upon
Speaker 4: in advance. To send someone an unsolicited FaceTime this day
Speaker 4: and age, I would argue as an active war.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna try it with Chuck later and just love that.
Speaker 3: I love that. Are you really?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I'm going all right, let us know. Well he is
Speaker 3: a boomer though, see, maybe he might accept it as
Speaker 3: an act of love.
Speaker 2: No, I'm not quite a boomer X No, dude, boomers
Speaker 2: are old.
Speaker 3: Boomers are like grew.
Speaker 2: Up in the sixties in my soul is what I'm
Speaker 2: talking about.
Speaker 3: I see, Well, I'm sad, guys, I didn't know about
Speaker 3: the wide world of FaceTime. No, no, it's a literally
Speaker 3: FaceTime with my kid. And that's what. And so current
Speaker 3: and former officials came out and they said, here's the
Speaker 3: here's what's really happening. There is reliable, actionable intelligence that
Speaker 3: Russia is possibly going to violate the Open Space Treaty. Uh,
Speaker 3: the outer space treaty. Excuse me. There's open skies, which
Speaker 3: Russia already pulled out of, and there's outer space.
Speaker 2: Open skis is a thing where we monitor each other's
Speaker 2: nuclear capabilities, right.
Speaker 3: And monitored by anybody. No, no, no, no, it's all
Speaker 3: the Iron Curtain for a reason. They prefer a one
Speaker 3: way streak when it comes to spy, and to be honest,
Speaker 3: most places do. But what they said here, if true,
Speaker 3: would be terrifying. It's the idea of deploying a nuclear
Speaker 3: weapon in space. This is okay, this gets Russian trouble
Speaker 3: with the UN as if they care at this point.
Speaker 3: But even more importantly, this could be enormously dangerous for
Speaker 3: everybody on the planet.
Speaker 2: And this isn't starfish. This isn't when we say deploying
Speaker 2: a nuclear weapon from space. It's not exploding it in space.
Speaker 2: It's shooting it towards the ground right right, you.
Speaker 3: Know, pick your favorite menu item of disaster, right. It
Speaker 3: could it composed existential threat to a huge amount of
Speaker 3: satellites if it disables the satellite networks and boom back
Speaker 3: to the dark ages. It could deploy onto the surface,
Speaker 3: in which case we've already seen what happens with a
Speaker 3: nuclear detonation over a populated area. We also know that
Speaker 3: just like with shooting any satellite out of the sky
Speaker 3: or forcibly exploding them, it creates so much debris, and
Speaker 3: that debris creates so much more debris, and we get
Speaker 3: really quickly into a feedback loop that could render space
Speaker 3: exploration just not feasible. Yeah, and it's over, and it's over.
Speaker 2: You know what we need up there, guys, We need
Speaker 2: to build a new harp, but in space.
Speaker 3: I like it, Yeah right, yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't know what it would do up there, but
Speaker 2: we need it.
Speaker 3: We don't really know what it did down here.
Speaker 4: We really exactly sent reptilian signals or something like that.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 3: Sure.
Speaker 2: The idea is it shoots energy into the atosphere and
Speaker 2: then it goes in a trajectory that's like an arc
Speaker 2: back down to a target, and it can have effects
Speaker 2: allegedly allegedly.
Speaker 3: Check out our video and our episode on ARP, and
Speaker 3: if you used to work for HARP, hit us up.
Speaker 3: Let us know when you're in town. Let's go get
Speaker 3: some chicken wings.
Speaker 2: That's the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yeah, the two a's. So there are also
Speaker 3: other things, like we've proven. One part of these conspiracy
Speaker 3: theories is indeed conspiracy fact. World powers do conspire to
Speaker 3: use space as a spying ground. But the thing is
Speaker 3: they pretty much have to because if they don't, everybody
Speaker 3: else will. It's keeping up with the Joneses on a
Speaker 3: macro scale, and since the days of Corona, Eyes and
Speaker 3: the Skies have been a non negotiable part of any
Speaker 3: military strategy. But then the idea of taking space nuclear
Speaker 3: means that it's a step further deploying weapons that have
Speaker 3: consequences we as a civilization do not fully comprehend. Is existential.
Speaker 3: Is an existential threat. It affects every single living being,
Speaker 3: regardless of where you live on this planet. And that's
Speaker 3: the precipice upon which we stand collectively today. It's terrifying stuff,
Speaker 3: it really is. So we're gonna end with some mendes
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Speaker 3: Uh, let us know what you think about this how much.
Speaker 3: Of course, there are many things we didn't mention. One
Speaker 3: of those is the threat of the threat of defense
Speaker 3: industries magnifying paranoia and fear because it's good for their
Speaker 3: bottom line. That's a piece of this. But I think
Speaker 3: this is also a real conspiracy and a clearer and
Speaker 3: present danger.
Speaker 2: Yes, what's the thing we talk about all the time
Speaker 2: when there's an election, especially in the United States, but
Speaker 2: anywhere in any country, when war is like we're on
Speaker 2: the precipice of war, war's looming, it's gonna happen. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the incumbent president generally has a much better chance of
Speaker 2: continuing or to be re elected.
Speaker 3: The devil, you know, yeah. Yeah, oh man, So wheels
Speaker 3: within wheels, webs within space. Even though this is occurring
Speaker 3: in a vacuum, yeah, it's not really happening in vacuum.
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