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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: my name is Nolan.

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Speaker 3: They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our

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Speaker 3: super producer Paul, Mission control decand most importantly, you are here.

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Speaker 3: That makes this the stuff they don't want you to know.

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Speaker 3: Bit of background, folks, fellow conspiracy realists. We are recording

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Speaker 3: live ish in our office today on a beautifully British

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Speaker 3: Friday morning. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Man, we're in the studio. This thing has underlighting.

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Speaker 4: What Yeah, the weather outside matches the town of Ben's computer,

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Speaker 4: which is space gray, which is also appropriate for today's episode.

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Speaker 3: Wait, darn all of our computers right. Mine is not

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Speaker 3: officially space gray.

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Speaker 4: Space gray is a colorway patented by Apple. I think

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Speaker 4: matthew space gray Apple. All the new ones School silver,

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Speaker 4: those are space gray.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so the new ones are like Ford Model T's

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Speaker 3: any color you want, as long as it's black. Basically,

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Speaker 3: I think there were there were three others. There was

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Speaker 3: like a rose one.

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Speaker 2: It looks almost like bone.

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Speaker 3: It does look a bit like apple. They're all great

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Speaker 4: Oh, I went to an apple store the other day

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Speaker 4: that it looks like you're walking into a hospital.

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Speaker 3: It's just very clinical. There's something about it that's a

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Speaker 3: I've been in apple stores in other countries and I

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Speaker 3: get I say, it's uniformly the same exactly. That's how

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Speaker 3: they like it. Yeah, and we're talking today about looking

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Speaker 3: at things closely. It's very easy to take things for

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Speaker 3: normal and kind of sort of put blinders on, right,

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Speaker 3: that's just part of being a human. But when is

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Speaker 3: the last last time you really gazed up at the

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Speaker 4: I just remember walking home it was nighttime, looking up

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Speaker 4: being kind of impressed by my you know, relative close

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Speaker 4: said constellations. Yeah, Daddy lives a little bit more out

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Speaker 4: in the in the mood country of the docks.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I looked up, took my dogs outside, and there she was,

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Speaker 2: the big dipper like right, Like I guess where the

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Speaker 2: trees and the big dipper filled out the entirety of

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Speaker 2: that thing, and my brain just said, this is nice, beautiful.

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Speaker 3: I've got. I've got a rooftop situation now where I'm

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Speaker 3: currently living. And as as a thrifty, brave, clean reverend

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Speaker 3: So instead of going out and spending money pretty often

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Speaker 3: hang out. And like most people in the world, folks,

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Speaker 3: we live in or on the edge of a huge conurbation,

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Speaker 3: our fancy way to say, you live around a lot

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Speaker 3: what's going on, it can be difficult to see all

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Speaker 3: the strange things in orbit. And make no mistake, there

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Speaker 3: is a lot up there, especially close to Earth.

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Speaker 4: Here are the facts spy satellites. Guys, you know them,

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Speaker 4: you love them. They keep you up at night. There's

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Speaker 4: been songs written about them. At the very least satellites.

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Speaker 4: Who've got the Dave Matthews band, We've got the Counting

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Speaker 3: Was it? What's it called?

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Speaker 2: Something the satellites?

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Speaker 3: What are they doing to the chasing satellite?

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Speaker 4: Chasing them there, discovering uh binking, touching them?

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Speaker 3: That's right, that's a memorable title.

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Speaker 2: It is welcome back to this is important where we

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Speaker 2: only talk about the absolutely most important, vital recovering recovery.

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Speaker 3: I said, discovering. Okay, we had to put that to bed, Matt.

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Speaker 2: Is that a Corona reference?

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Speaker 3: Well, it could be, we'd have to ask Adam Duritz.

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Speaker 3: But the the it's true that spy satellites are a

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Speaker 3: as secret as their creators would hope. Because as we've

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Speaker 3: Amateur skywatchers with just prosumer telescopes will be able to

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Speaker 3: don't know. It's on the edge of where we could

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Speaker 3: It's when the US first started saying, hey, let's elevate

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Speaker 3: spy games are a thing, right, is that a film? Yes?

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Speaker 2: I think something like that. But it does make sense

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Speaker 2: because it goes back to rockets, right, It goes back

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Speaker 2: I think it's twenty twenty three hundred something like that.

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Speaker 4: Stable in terms of connection to Earth, or just in

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Speaker 2: It will be at any time exactly, which means you

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Speaker 2: can communicate with it, which brings along communication, satellites, all

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Speaker 2: the things that we take for granted these days in

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Speaker 3: And if you don't care, if you're like I'm a

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Speaker 3: not a billionaire guy interested in space. I don't work

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Speaker 3: at NASA or the NRORO. It matters because these satellites

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Speaker 2: Can we just talk about, like every other technology, satellites

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Speaker 3: Yes? Absolutely?

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Speaker 2: And was is it true the first ones were recon

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Speaker 4: So my question is what does a reconnaissance satellite in

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Speaker 5: Literal satellite photography in nineteen fifty five, it's they get there,

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Speaker 3: So in after spot Nick launches in October nineteen fifty seven,

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Speaker 3: They take this project that have been kind of cooking

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Speaker 3: The first satellites were called Keyhole series, and they were

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Speaker 3: They use physical film cameras and they had no way

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Speaker 2: And not burnt up because there was a flaw in

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Speaker 3: We also hope the pictures are good. Ye have develop

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Speaker 3: The viewfinder hopefully didn't lie. And that's the game Corona

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Speaker 4: Yeah, as long as you do it under our watch,

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Speaker 2: you would have to inspect each satellite that happen. Are

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 4: We talked about that recently in terms of nuclear proliferation,

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Speaker 4: for example, like the logistics of you know, how difficult

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Speaker 4: it is to police that stuff and to do these inspections.

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Speaker 4: Now people can hide and obfuscate those kinds of inspections.

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Speaker 3: What was it in relation to we did? It was

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Speaker 4: It was a recent episode came about Manors nuclear it

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Speaker 4: like research stations for military purposes in Antarctica, and how

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Speaker 4: there's no governing body that could reasonably logistically, you know,

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Speaker 3: I think this is a similar situation, but.

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Speaker 4: I guess because the playing field is equal, because there's

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Speaker 3: The barrier to enter space is literally so high.

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Speaker 4: These key provisions include limiting the use of the moon

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Speaker 4: Got to call it the Department of smash. We've also

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Speaker 3: By all nations. Yes, so long as they can afford it.

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Speaker 4: Well, it get to your point earlier, Ben, the barrier

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Speaker 2: It is a shared domain, right sure, because and it

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Speaker 2: Basically at some point they're like, oh, that is this

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Speaker 3: And then that becomes tricky because you can think of

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Speaker 3: That's it. So yeah, this is and there's an art

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Speaker 3: And that's where we get to the loopholes of the treaty,

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Speaker 3: not ban several things. It does not ban spy or reconnaissance. First,

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Speaker 3: Can you know, like a nice like a glave, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Here's where it gets crazy, all right. So for your

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're usually checking out, uh, they're looking for

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Speaker 3: That's right. Yeah, it's like do you want and people

437
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,399
Speaker 3: bake this in like do you want your satellite to

438
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 3: last ten to fifteen years? Sometimes you might say I

439
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:25,359
Speaker 3: don't want it to last that long because I predict

440
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,159
Speaker 3: that the technology will improve such that this will no

441
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 3: longer be relative.

442
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 4: That's exactly planned obsolescence, But it's planning for it gets close.

443
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's a good distinction.

444
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,160
Speaker 2: So what we're talking about just that EARS one satellite. Yeah,

445
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 2: it's going to take one hundred years for it to

446
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:44,159
Speaker 2: enter Earth's atmosphere, and it's dead and nobody can communicate

447
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 2: with it. It's not doing anything.

448
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 3: We can see what.

449
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 4: It's doing, though, we can track it over that hundred

450
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 4: years to make sure that it's not going to go boom.

451
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a it's a it's a rusting dead car

452
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 3: in the front yard of Earth.

453
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:57,879
Speaker 2: Yes, you could do nothing to it, so if there

454
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 2: is debris or anything that impacts it, there's no to

455
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:01,359
Speaker 2: prevent that kind of thing.

456
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 3: And it's it doesn't work. It's basically this, this pontiac

457
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 3: is on cinderblocks.

458
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, and we also know that space is just absolutely

459
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 4: lousy with garbage, right, and they're much like I guess,

460
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:18,120
Speaker 4: there's no singular agency to police what people do with space. Likewise,

461
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 4: there isn't one to keep us from ruining space.

462
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 3: There are institutions that have been waving the flag for

463
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,159
Speaker 3: years and they're trying to talk sense into people, but

464
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 3: humans listening to scientists not the best track record, to

465
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 3: be honest. I mean, they do I think the world powers, though,

466
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 3: do recognize the efficacy of these things. Like going back

467
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 3: to those types of spy satellites. You've got things that

468
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 3: will just watch for missiles, that's the old school stuff.

469
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,440
Speaker 3: And then you've got stuff that will just take pictures,

470
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 3: literal pictures of Earth from the top of the sky

471
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 3: survey level. And then the very scary close look telephotos

472
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 3: stuff where you think, oh wow, can they really see

473
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:05,680
Speaker 3: as dilated people said, the face of a dime from

474
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:11,400
Speaker 3: a satellite. That technology is the fighting And yeah, well

475
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 3: it's been here.

476
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 2: For longer than we would ever imagine or publicly admit,

477
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:17,920
Speaker 2: because I was going.

478
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:18,360
Speaker 3: To ask too.

479
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,879
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, like many things, this stuff, this

480
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,360
Speaker 4: text starts in the military sector and then trickles its

481
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:27,120
Speaker 4: way down to the public or whatever. So we obviously

482
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 4: have entertainment companies that have satellites out in space as well,

483
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 4: but that's piggybacked on the discoveries and innovations of the military.

484
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, and when we say also not just the

485
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 3: entertainment companies, but telecoms, right, that's what I meant. Definitely broadcasting.

486
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:47,160
Speaker 3: And then of course nuclear explosion detectors. Their entire job

487
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 3: is to clock stuff like the Vela incident, and they're

488
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 3: pretty good with it.

489
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 2: And that is that is signals intelligence, right, That's more

490
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 2: like you detect the wave basically of energy that occurs

491
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 2: when it nuclear explosion happens, and the people who created

492
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 2: the satellite and the systems understand exactly what that looks

493
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:08,719
Speaker 2: like when you get a pulse.

494
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 3: Yeah. And then that's also related right to the radar

495
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 3: imaging which the Russians pioneered, Yes, which is seeing through

496
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 3: cloud cover seen at night, Sigand though to be honest

497
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 3: to your point, Matt, Siggin's the big one sneaking through

498
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 3: and maybe not interrupting, but eaves dropping on radio waves

499
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 3: and other forms of communication. The problem is that the

500
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 3: ability to eavesdrop gets you really closely to the ability

501
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 3: to intercept, impersonate, to interrupt, and are those are the

502
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,160
Speaker 3: things that keep people up at night. I mean, there's

503
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 3: so much hidden history here. We shouted this out. Oh,

504
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 3: I forgot to write that email back, but someone was

505
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 3: talking with us about this, and we get letters about

506
00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 3: nukes and space pretty often, especially now. A lot of

507
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,639
Speaker 3: us aren't aware of something called starfish Prime, which is

508
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 3: such a cool nickname.

509
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 4: It also sounds like a really fancy Starfish steak there

510
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 4: we go, yeah, or the name of the name of

511
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 4: a new Guardians of the Galaxy character or Transformer, perhaps star.

512
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 3: Wards, Starfish Prime, Yeah, yeah, Transformer. So right before the

513
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 3: Outer Space treaty happens, all the big powers know it's

514
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 3: on the way, and this is a true story. Somewhere

515
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 3: in the Doctor Strange Strange Love Halls of Power in

516
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 3: the US, someone was like, well, guys, if we want

517
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 3: to blow up some nukes in space, we gotta hop

518
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 3: to it now while it's still okay.

519
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, And a nuke in space feels like kind of

520
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 2: a weird idea.

521
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 3: It feels so American, though, well, because.

522
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 2: You're okay, correct me. I don't understand the science fully.

523
00:28:55,120 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 2: But if you launch a nuclear missile well above Earth's

524
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 2: orbit that you're outside of the atmosphere completely.

525
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 3: Would you like be an implosion or something? How would it?

526
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 3: I don't. It feels like that kind of low gravity, you.

527
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 2: Don't have molecules that are existing inside to do anything.

528
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 2: But if you do a high altitude explosion like this,

529
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 2: then you can see, well, what actually happens on the

530
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 2: surface of the planet above or below that explosion.

531
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 4: Could it have effects on things like like we could

532
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 4: it create a black hole or something?

533
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sorry, I mean no, you're right. And

534
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 3: they didn't know they were in an FAFO situation as

535
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 3: we call it. Like they they did not anticipate so

536
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 3: much stuff. The Aurora borealities that came out as a

537
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 3: result the massive emp like this was this was a

538
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 3: weapon and it blacked out radio communication. It wasn't a

539
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,239
Speaker 3: purposeful weapon, though they wanted to see what happened. And

540
00:29:56,360 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 3: I know it sounds like something from Mister Show's sketch,

541
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 3: like the one where they decided to blow up the moon.

542
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 3: Why not? Why it's the right look at exactly. I

543
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 3: think it's so big, Yeah, because it's the first satellite

544
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 3: whatever it did, this Starfish thing an Operation fishbul which

545
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 3: was a part They did provide a lot of data

546
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 3: that would become of increasing importance as space exploration became

547
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 3: more and more of a reality. But it was just

548
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 3: like Oppenheimer, Oppenheimer's team, I should say, detonating the first Bob.

549
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 3: People didn't know, you know, what was going to happen,

550
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 3: but it did teach people what to look for if

551
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:39,479
Speaker 3: nukes debtonate up there in the future, so I don't know.

552
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 4: That's like so, so there are questions around what the

553
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 4: physical conditions of space would do to the behavior of

554
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 4: a nuke, Yes, and.

555
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 3: They were answered. The best answer right now in the

556
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 3: real world was starfish prime. There are a lot of

557
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 3: extensive like simulations and models that are probably leaving pretty

558
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 3: closely to the truth. But that crazy thing classic us.

559
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 3: That crazy thing actually informs some of the better decisions

560
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 3: that are being made today. But the problem is everybody

561
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 3: wants to spy a satellite. Now it's hotter than POGs

562
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 3: in the nineties or beanie babies. But everybody knows when

563
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 3: you launch one. The streets are watching, and they're watching

564
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 3: more and more closely with every satellite that launches. So

565
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 3: you can obscure the abilities of your satellite, you can

566
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 3: classify the specifics of its mission, but everybody's going to

567
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 3: know when a launch occurs. And that's where we get

568
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 3: to maybe some weird examples of satellite conspiracies. What do

569
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 3: you say, should we start like plausible and then go

570
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 3: go to the further end of the spectrum? Sure? All right,

571
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 3: cool name, honorary, coolest name I think up there with

572
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 3: Starfish Prime, Palladium at Night.

573
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 2: What do you think Palladium gets into.

574
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 3: Well, it depends on who you ask. Uh. Palladium at

575
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 3: Night launches in September two thousand and nine. We're not

576
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 3: sure what it gets up to because out of all

577
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 3: this different spy satellites, you know, the US will usually

578
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 3: confirm which agency is in charge of it. Is it

579
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 3: the NRO like most of them in SAA et cetera,

580
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 3: the Navy or Space Force. To this day, the US

581
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 3: has never said who runs Palladium at Night. If you

582
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 3: want to learn more about it and call, it's called

583
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 3: USA two O seven after Dark.

584
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is from like two thousand and eight, two

585
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 2: thousand and nine. Yeah, okay, that's a little while back

586
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 2: from now, but that's still well advanced into the satellite

587
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 2: programs that existed in the technology it does. What do

588
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 2: we already talk about how the NRO, the National Recronaissance

589
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 2: Office runs a lot of the satellites off air.

590
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 3: I think I can't infermde it in but yeah, National

591
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 3: Accrownistance Office.

592
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 2: So it does feel like that that group, that organization

593
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 2: that was only declassified, by the way, was it is

594
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 2: in the nineties when the NRO was officially recognized or

595
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 2: they said, yeah, we're this is a thing.

596
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 3: They were like the US government version of a cryptid.

597
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, a very secretive organization that only a few

598
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 2: people had a need to know basis about even its

599
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 2: very existence. But they're the group that generally controls and

600
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 2: when we say that again, controls the satellites that are

601
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 2: in orbit that have a spy functionality or a let's say,

602
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 2: a close watch functionality. It seems like Palladium at Night

603
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:43,719
Speaker 2: would be controlled by this group. But are there other potential.

604
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We got to look up Edward Snowden.

605
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 2: Remember him, sounds familiar.

606
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 3: He's Russia's Golden Boy. I'm getding. That's unfair. He had

607
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 3: to take refuge in Russia because the US was out

608
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 3: for him after after you release this massive treasure trove

609
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 3: of classified info. His leaks heavily imply that Lady at

610
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 3: Night also sometimes called pick a name, is run by

611
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 3: the NSSA, and we don't know exactly what it's doing.

612
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:19,439
Speaker 3: Whomever does run it again, never officially confirmed, but during

613
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 3: the first five years of its launch, from two thousand

614
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 3: and nine twenty fourteen, we're talking about repositioning. It moved

615
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 3: around in different types of orbits at least nine different times,

616
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 3: which is a lot, and each time it moved to

617
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 3: get closer to a commercial communications satellite, so closer to

618
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 3: your ateend, closer to yeah, just to sneak in.

619
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 2: So dude, Yeah, that's totally an essay that I mean,

620
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 2: that's what we learned about. NSA was doing it like

621
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 2: the long lines buildings in these other places where they're

622
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 2: tapping directly into the phone lines and the internet wires

623
00:34:55,400 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 2: and tubes, but they're literally doubling everything that's going through

624
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 2: and making a copy of it so they've got their

625
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 2: own stream. They're doing it with the satellites.

626
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 3: They could be I mean, it could be monitoring for

627
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 3: terrorist activity. That that probably is true. But that's also

628
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 3: a convenient thing to say, right, just like.

629
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 2: You're gonna say, is so creepy to me? Y'all, y'all

630
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 2: are creeps? You hear me? You're over there, just like

631
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 2: I have to see, oh my god, what they're doing.

632
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 3: Oh my god. Their street name was no such agency.

633
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 3: A bunch of pervy boys.

634
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 2: I'm so gross, y'all.

635
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 3: Get a dog, right, get a get a hobby. You

636
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 3: know play boulders Gate three. Uh, it's awesome and it's

637
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:45,240
Speaker 3: also weirdly horny if that's what you're interested in. People still,

638
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 3: as a result, aren't one hundred percent agreed on what

639
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 3: pan or Pollating mint Night is doing up there, But

640
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 3: they're guessing it's a dedicated calm satellite for intelligence operations

641
00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 3: and enemy territory. It could be a relay station, a

642
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 3: relay center for drone operations, or it could be that's

643
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 3: what my money's on. It could be a craft designed

644
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 3: to spy not really out of Earth but on other satellites,

645
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 3: including friendlies.

646
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,839
Speaker 2: I would I would say, you're on the money there,

647
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:21,760
Speaker 2: and I think this was like second or third generation

648
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 2: of that of that kind of mission up there.

649
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,839
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, And then that would necessarily

650
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 3: mean that because satellite launches have increased, there's a newer

651
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:33,479
Speaker 3: model out there.

652
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 2: Oh there is. Should we should we talk about that

653
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:37,879
Speaker 2: right now? Because I think that's yeah. I think that's good.

654
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 2: I think it's directly related. Okay, Uh, look up something.

655
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 2: If you're around and you have access to the internet,

656
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 2: look up something called Silent Barker or NROL DASH one

657
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 2: O seven. This is at least according to the NRO

658
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 2: itself and the Space Force, which is again a real

659
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:56,879
Speaker 2: thing and it.

660
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 3: Really is not an anime yet. Uh.

661
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 2: This is a series of watchdog satellites, that's how they

662
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 2: describe them, that monitor potential adversaries, not on the ground,

663
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 2: not in the sky, in the atmosphere, not in the oceans.

664
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 2: They monitor exactly what's going on in geosynchronous orbit. And

665
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 2: these these are a series of satellites that have been

666
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,959
Speaker 2: launched there someone were launched in September of twenty twenty three,

667
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 2: and the government is a little open about it.

668
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 3: Yeah there because they're sending messages. There's a sciof aspect

669
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 3: to it.

670
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 2: I think that's exactly what is. And actually, who's this

671
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 2: Guy's the NRO director Chris Scalise, I think is how

672
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 2: you'd say his name. I'm gonna I'm gonna read this

673
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 2: quote quote. The idea of the mission is to put

674
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,760
Speaker 2: a satellite in geosynchronous orbit and then to be looking

675
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 2: at that orbital regime, so all of it, and get

676
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,439
Speaker 2: a sense of what's happening day to day. We also

677
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 2: want to know if there's something going on that is

678
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 2: unexpected or should be going on. They could potentially represent

679
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 2: a threat to a high value asset, either hours or

680
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 2: one of our allies and guys. It's just we're gonna

681
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 2: get to it at the end of this. But I

682
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 2: think that is directly related to what happened very recently

683
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four.

684
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:20,760
Speaker 3: It's all related. I would say, it's all very much related.

685
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 3: And also there's a I love you bringing that quote

686
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 3: because I always have to chuckle when I hear the

687
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 3: description like protecting high value assets. Yeah, because that means

688
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 3: and I'm not joking, this is how this sort of

689
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 3: stuff works. That means there has been someone who asked

690
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 3: for help and was told they were not a high

691
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 3: enough value asset and they got burned.

692
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 4: I'm sure there's a more diplomatic way that they deliver

693
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 4: the news to these individuals that's not to hurt.

694
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 3: Thank you for your service, okay, or something. Here's a

695
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 3: gold watch, right, or here's a here's here's a special

696
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 3: compartment in your tooth. Indeed, I'm getting those days are

697
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 3: bite down. Yeah, but so yeah, silent Barker, they are

698
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 3: being more public about it. And because also there's sort

699
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 3: of a the buttoned up secrecy of old is not

700
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 3: necessarily as useful as it was, because now the capabilities

701
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 3: to suss out what's happening render that kind of skull

702
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 3: and bone stuff increasingly irrelevant.

703
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think just the fact that this was

704
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 2: launched in September of last year, Yes, so like pretty recently,

705
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 2: and its mission is to check out what's going on

706
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 2: up there. And then we have our recent news about

707
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:38,320
Speaker 2: weird stuff going on in the in space. Again, we're

708
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 2: just kind of teasing that right now because we're going

709
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 2: to really get into that in a moment. But it

710
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 2: freaks me out, especially when I think about our discussions

711
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 2: of X thirty seven, B through Z and whatever else

712
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 2: is going on up there with those types of craft

713
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 2: and talking about those high value assets, and then the capabilities.

714
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 2: I do think you could probably connect dots to all

715
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 2: of those systems to basically, I think the United States

716
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 2: is developing a sort of the space force they're talking about.

717
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 3: It's a net exactly, It's a web. Yeah, there's also

718
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 3: like car chase scenes, I don't think in what respect.

719
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 3: You know, like starlink creates a web to allow Internet access,

720
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 3: So this is a web of surveillance. It's the first

721
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 3: step towards that. I guess yeah, yeah, it's very good

722
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 3: steps too. But the car chase thing is okay, these uh,

723
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 3: the US militaries dispatched this was this happened pretty recently too.

724
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 3: The US military dispatch satellites to track these two Chinese

725
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 3: spacecraft that launched. Yes, and just like in a car

726
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 3: chase situation, the uh, the Chinese operators knew what was

727
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 3: going on, so they went opposite directions, right, So like

728
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 3: that's how like that's how you would do a good heist, right.

729
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 3: So there, And I'm not saying they're doing anything bad.

730
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:02,800
Speaker 3: I'm saying that people are sensitive. Everybody's starting to build

731
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:03,399
Speaker 3: their own web.

732
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,839
Speaker 2: I swear some of that world, Ben is so much

733
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 2: like winking at your opponent and going, I see that,

734
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 2: you see me?

735
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 3: Now watch this exactly like we're talking about with the

736
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 3: conversations with Uncle Gee and Joe Biden. When you're in

737
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 3: a conversation where both people know that they're lying about something,

738
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,280
Speaker 3: and they both know that the other person is lying,

739
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 3: then what they talk about actually ends up being very

740
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 3: close to the truth.

741
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 2: Interesting, it's weird.

742
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,359
Speaker 3: I think it's somewhat unnecessary, But there are all kinds

743
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 3: of reasons we don't run world governments.

744
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 2: I don't know that I've ever experienced that.

745
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 3: Do you guys?

746
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 2: Have you been in that situation where you're like having

747
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 2: a conversation like that that's clandestine?

748
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 3: I guess not to that degree certainly. I mean, I

749
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 3: don't know what. Maybe Ben's more likely to have moved

750
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:55,760
Speaker 3: in some of these circles.

751
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,280
Speaker 4: But you're talking about like sort of saying the loud

752
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 4: part quiet, like just like a failed.

753
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 3: In kind of jargony kind of. Yeah, think of like, uh,

754
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 3: think of like all the you see it all the

755
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 3: time in fiction, right, Like one one thing that epitomizes

756
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 3: a great crime thriller is when you have that dramatic

757
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 3: irony of like, oh you know what a great example

758
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 3: the Nero own paccino and heat. That's wonderful conversation. They're

759
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 3: a little bit honest about it at that.

760
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 4: I guess maybe one version of it too that I'm

761
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 4: thinking is sort of like mafia phone calls when they

762
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 4: know they're being tapped.

763
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,720
Speaker 3: Yes, that stuff like that's a perfect example. Yeah, Middle

764
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 3: Kingdom court intrigues in ancient China. I got you.

765
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 2: That makes more sense I because I'm thinking about like

766
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 2: speaking in code and those kinds of things. I'm trying

767
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 2: to imagine that thing where people are being having that

768
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 2: very serious conversation, like in a diplomatic moment when they're

769
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 2: discussing those two satellites that you describe going off in

770
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 2: two different ways, and the use some US official It

771
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 2: was just across the table, like, hmm, I saw, I

772
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 2: noticed your satellites had an interesting trajectory.

773
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 3: We're grateful for our countries continued cooperation and partnership in

774
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 3: space would be And it's kind of like, you know,

775
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 3: our hearts always go out to the poor scientists doing

776
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:24,359
Speaker 3: the actual science, who are usually friends because they're the

777
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 3: only people they know who are so into their very

778
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 3: niche rarefied activities and they have to hope their parents

779
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 3: let them play together, which is a weird way to

780
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 3: put it. Yeah, and with this strange Joseph Heller Catch

781
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 3: twenty two esque kind of situation in space and on

782
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 3: the surface, we're gonna pause for a word from our sponsors.

783
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 3: We'll be right back with a possible conspiracy within a

784
00:43:52,640 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 3: conspiracy back the zooma latch not zoomba. I forgot what

785
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 3: zooma is.

786
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 4: Also not zoom remember remember.

787
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 2: Yes or zoom that short lived video conference.

788
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 3: I'm just or that excellent uh, that excellent ad jingle

789
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:23,879
Speaker 3: was a Volkswagon zoom zoom zoomzoo Wow. The creepy child

790
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 3: was bring zooms. Do you remember that we're talking instead

791
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 3: about zooma zooma, not Zoombay exactly Sorry, And that was

792
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 3: the same kid from Taste rip Oh boy was ever?

793
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 3: I see that people that could make me so uncomfortable.

794
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 2: Let's talk about this is the most intriguing accident then

795
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:45,399
Speaker 2: I have seen in a long time.

796
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 3: Mm hmm yeah, and we all drive on to eighty five. Gragularly. Uh,

797
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 3: we were saying we see a lot of accidents, but

798
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:58,320
Speaker 3: not many compared to Zuma. So Zooma is the street

799
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 3: name for the USA to A. It was launched by

800
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 3: SpaceX on January eighth, twenty eighteen, or SpaceX launched something

801
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 3: on that day. Here's the conspiracy, the most interesting conspiracy

802
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 3: surrounding the Zuma launch. So our big problem if we

803
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 3: are space spies is that everyone will know when we

804
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 3: launch something. No matter what we do, everybody will see

805
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 3: it because we can't make it invisible.

806
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 2: But they'll just know we launch something.

807
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 3: They'll just know we launch something, so we can we

808
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:35,320
Speaker 3: can try to bury it under paperwork and stuff.

809
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 4: Well, you know, when we launch like a new spacecraft

810
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:40,320
Speaker 4: or like a SpaceX thing, it's a big televiszoo event.

811
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 3: Not so with spy satellites, right.

812
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:46,840
Speaker 2: Sometimes it still is because the payload.

813
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 3: Is that's what they can classify. That's what they can hide.

814
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 3: They can't hide the rocket, but they can hide the

815
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 3: They can hide stuff in the trunk is the best

816
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 3: way to put it. And that's what X thirty seven

817
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 3: B literally does. So here's the conspiracy. What if instead

818
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 3: of what if instead of just trying to hide stuff

819
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 3: in the trunk and knowing that people will know when

820
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,760
Speaker 3: we launch something, what if we fake a failed launch?

821
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 3: What if we fake the death of a satellite?

822
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:21,800
Speaker 2: So it's like a interesting wow, So you get something

823
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 2: up there, you put out that to every all of

824
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 2: your enemies anallies. I like that you've failed. So you've

825
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 2: got a secret, an actual secret spy satellite.

826
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 3: And perhaps small enough to be confused with debris.

827
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 4: Whoa or you could you could hide it aboard one

828
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 4: of those larger profile experimental launches parasite satellite.

829
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, yeah all the time. Oh why not just

830
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 3: call it a para satellite by the way, Oh, if

831
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 3: we're coining new terms here.

832
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, wait, is that you think that's a real thing.

833
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 3: I think it is a real thing. Yes, it would

834
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 3: be in their best interests. Yeah, yes, of course, because

835
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 3: what you can have is you can have like a

836
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 3: component inside a larger satellite that has the capability to

837
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 3: deploy that thing later.

838
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, maybe that's what the NSA thing was doing

839
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 2: that we were just talking about, going around planting little

840
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 2: parasites on the satellite.

841
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 4: And maybe this is a silly question, but how how

842
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 4: physically large are we talking here? Compared to say a

843
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 4: space shuttle or a space station, they're quite small.

844
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 3: They have a lot of variants in size, more like

845
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:29,720
Speaker 3: a drone nowadays, they're going to be smaller nowadays.

846
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 2: It going to be the best example I can give

847
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 2: you from the one that the one we just talked

848
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 2: about that fell to the Earth. That one was I

849
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 2: would estimate the rs the eras two. I would estimate

850
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 2: that that was the size of Gosh, imagine a like

851
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 2: a sixteen wheeler with these big trucks, right, Imagine you

852
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 2: cut that thing in half and then put those two

853
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 2: halves next to each other, so they're in line, does

854
00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:59,760
Speaker 2: that make sense? So the width of those two trucks

855
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 2: and in the length of half of those two trucks,

856
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 2: that's roughly the size.

857
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:05,479
Speaker 3: Of and and that's pretty big.

858
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 2: That is quite Augekay.

859
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:08,319
Speaker 3: Yeah. When I say a drone too.

860
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 4: By the way, I'm not talking about like a personal,

861
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 4: commercially available drone. I mean like those big military right,

862
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 4: but those are still smaller than two giant Yeah. But okay,

863
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 4: this is very helpful for some.

864
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 3: Well, also there's there's tremendous economic economic design pressure to

865
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 3: make them as small as possible.

866
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 2: Yes, and that that one I just described, the size

867
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 2: is significantly older, which means, as you said, Ben, as

868
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:35,720
Speaker 2: we're getting further and further advanced, they're getting smaller.

869
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 3: So okay, so here's what happens. The official story. We

870
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:43,800
Speaker 3: know the n ro is in charge of Zuma and

871
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,839
Speaker 3: the satellite and the ZOOMA launch, but we don't know

872
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:50,439
Speaker 3: what it was doing. However, if you're playing along at home,

873
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 3: let's just diplomatically point out the name of the n

874
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 3: ro O is the National Reconnaissance Office. So you can

875
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 3: make some guesses. You make a couple of guesses you

876
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 3: know what I mean. They're not there to steal cable

877
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 3: or watch in HK for free, dude.

878
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:07,720
Speaker 2: No, but although I would love.

879
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 3: That because that would be a terrible plan. Yeah.

880
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 2: Okay, so the official story should we do we talk

881
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:14,360
Speaker 2: about that?

882
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 3: Yet?

883
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 2: What what officially happened according to the sources?

884
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:25,240
Speaker 3: Okay, so it launches, but then the the satellite deployment fails, right.

885
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and at least initially it was stated that the

886
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 2: satellite just fell back to Earth, right, but then the

887
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 2: story started changing from all the different outfits that were

888
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:40,280
Speaker 2: in charge of the launch itself and who created the assets?

889
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 2: Is this the one that Northrop Grumming? So like Northrop's

890
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:49,799
Speaker 2: given a different story the uh, the NRO is just

891
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 2: like it didn't work, and then somebody else was given

892
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 2: another story.

893
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 3: And there were a lot of unnamed official sources in

894
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:01,240
Speaker 3: the mix, which should always be red flag, right because

895
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 3: that means that they got greenlit to say something, and

896
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 3: they don't want anybody to be accountable for what was

897
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 3: being said because it's probably information or it's yeah, I

898
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 3: don't know, it could be a couple of things, but

899
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 3: none of them are very upfront or transparent. And also

900
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:18,319
Speaker 3: it's interesting because they were like three main players. So

901
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 3: there's SpaceX North of Grumman and the n RO n

902
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 3: ROW famously not a talkative group. They're somewhat taciturn.

903
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 2: And this is right before Space Force.

904
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:30,919
Speaker 3: Right before Space Force.

905
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:35,799
Speaker 4: SpaceX famously loudmouthed SpaceX all over the place in terms

906
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 4: of yeah, the leadership and because those are both private

907
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 4: ish industry players, SpaceX.

908
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 3: Is because there's subsidies. They I mean, there's SpaceX and

909
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 3: North of Grumman both want to put it out in

910
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 3: the public that they didn't do anything wrong. They held

911
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 3: up their part of the thing. SpaceX is like the

912
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 3: launch was normal, We're good at this, we know what

913
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 3: we're doing. And North of Grumman's like, we built it

914
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 3: the way we're told to. We're good at this, we

915
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 3: know what we're doing. Give us more government contracts, please,

916
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 3: three spider Man pointing at each other exactly.

917
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 2: But it really was the SpaceX. They use the term

918
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 2: nominally or it functioned nominally yeah, and.

919
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 3: What does that mean? Sort of as expected?

920
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:18,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, but not great but like predictably.

921
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:23,359
Speaker 3: Not super positively surprising, Yes, yes, but did what we

922
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 3: thought it was designed to do.

923
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 4: I think of nominally as being sort of a disclaimer

924
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:30,799
Speaker 4: almost nomenerally mids thank you.

925
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 2: So, so what that means is SpaceX's rocket shot up

926
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 2: in you know, through the atmosphere to its intended altitude.

927
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:42,280
Speaker 2: Then it's and along the way it separated from the

928
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 2: rocket parts that have the fuel in it, that were

929
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:45,800
Speaker 2: boosting it up, the boosters.

930
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:46,359
Speaker 3: Right.

931
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 2: Then once it got to the correct altitude, it allowed

932
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 2: whatever is attached to it and it's payload to detach

933
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:56,759
Speaker 2: from the main part of the rocket. And then in

934
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 2: twenty eighteen, is this when the rockets are returning to

935
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:00,879
Speaker 2: the at this point or.

936
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 3: Trying to make the reusable rockets.

937
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just can't remember if that's right in that

938
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 2: window when the reasonable rockets were happening or right before.

939
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:12,840
Speaker 2: But either way, SpaceX is saying all of those steps.

940
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 3: Occurred correctly, right, yeah, And so what what's happening here

941
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:21,359
Speaker 3: is that everybody involved is saying this is not on us.

942
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:23,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, because it was. It was a it was

943
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 2: billions of dollars, right or.

944
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 3: A couple, It was a lot of It was a lot.

945
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:32,839
Speaker 3: You're right at the reusable the reusable piece of SpaceX

946
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:35,800
Speaker 3: and Falcon nine was already in play. I think that

947
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 3: was like twenty eleven ers. Okay. Wow.

948
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 2: So yeah, they're saying everything's fine, and it was exactly

949
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 2: a billion dollars or at least according to ABC News,

950
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 2: and it just burned up in the atmosphere, corning the

951
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 2: official story.

952
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 3: Yeah. So the NRO is saying, you guys ask a

953
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,880
Speaker 3: lot of questions. It's like every time with you people

954
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 3: just move on, okay and trust us peace through security

955
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 3: and spying. And the odds are right now that Zoom

956
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 3: properly did crash or not saying that out of some

957
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 3: conspiratorial or skeptical bent. It's more that observers would be

958
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 3: able to see some new addition to the sky.

959
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:15,800
Speaker 2: Unless it's designed to not be seen.

960
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 3: Ben. But if it's designed to not be seen, then

961
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 3: people would have already launched invisible satellites.

962
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,800
Speaker 2: Well what if this is the one man, this is

963
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 2: the onealth satellite they made stealth everything else.

964
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we should come up. You know, they're doing

965
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 3: new flavors of Coca cola. Uh yeah, did you see her, buddy, Alex, Yeah,

966
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:44,360
Speaker 3: the testimonial video. Yeah, I see Raspberry or yeah, I

967
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 3: tried Coca Cola dream and it's just gross, and you know,

968
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 3: to be fair, they never said it was a good dream.

969
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 3: Uh so that's what I get. But but like what

970
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 3: if we had I should my pitch Coca Cola stealth Yeah, oh,

971
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:00,359
Speaker 3: what is that? I don't want to over thick.

972
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:07,799
Speaker 4: It's it's an empty bottles, nothing in it.

973
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 3: But hey, I know you've been drinking a lot more

974
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 3: water lately. Good job, Thank you.

975
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:15,239
Speaker 2: Ben is literally taking a sip from a box of

976
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:16,399
Speaker 2: drinking water colors.

977
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 3: That's a waterly Yeah, yeah, it's that's also in the name,

978
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 3: but I think it's actually the full like logo that is. Yeah,

979
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:28,360
Speaker 3: they've got a little that's a drop. Yeah, okay, but

980
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:33,279
Speaker 3: the I just wanted to see that spicy face. No,

981
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 3: that's that's not too sharp. I think that's label has

982
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:39,720
Speaker 3: a high explosives before.

983
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 4: Yeah.

984
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, four Energy Midnight cherry Boy, that's at midnight.

985
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, that's weird with people throw midnight and those things.

986
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 3: But speaking of that's still not the sketchiest satellite. I

987
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 3: suggest we spend a little bit of time on something

988
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 3: our long time conspiracy realist will enjoy. So we talked

989
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 3: about all air oh for many years. We did a

990
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 3: video on this in YouTube days Black Night satellite. What

991
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 3: if the one most important spy satellite up there isn't

992
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:15,920
Speaker 3: man made at all? Who would have made it?

993
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 1: Then?

994
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 3: Who would have made who? Indeed, well, the ruse, the kangaroos.

995
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 2: Wait, are we talking about the heat shield? It's just

996
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 2: flooding around the space. I'm just joking. I'm just joking.

997
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:28,360
Speaker 2: That's not what it is, you guys.

998
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:32,359
Speaker 3: I mean, okay, So the idea is that there's this

999
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:37,360
Speaker 3: these extraterrestrials got together thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands,

1000
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 3: indeed maybe millions of years ago, and they launched a

1001
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:43,360
Speaker 3: satellite to Earth and it's been hanging out there in

1002
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 3: like a near polar orbit for twelve to thirteen thousand

1003
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:51,760
Speaker 3: years now, and for one reason or another, absolutely everybody

1004
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 3: who can get into space, despite their differences, has cooperated

1005
00:55:55,480 --> 00:56:00,400
Speaker 3: to cover it up. Yeah, pensive out breath.

1006
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 2: I mean, look, there is a documentary. I cannot remember

1007
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 2: the name of the gentleman that hosts this documentary, but

1008
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 2: I was watching a clip of it the other day

1009
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:12,400
Speaker 2: and I think I sent it to you guys. I

1010
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:15,360
Speaker 2: was like, we gotta talk about Black Night again, because

1011
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 2: there's an entire documentary on about this concept that you're

1012
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:25,359
Speaker 2: describing that potentially some civilization at some point parked this

1013
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:28,759
Speaker 2: thing up there as a way to monitor what's going

1014
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:30,360
Speaker 2: on on Earth.

1015
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:32,400
Speaker 3: To signal to or whatever.

1016
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 2: Again, Yeah, in combination with whatever other technology we don't

1017
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:39,760
Speaker 2: yet know about, over a timescale that we cannot fathom.

1018
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:44,880
Speaker 2: And it's it's just been that way forever, which gets

1019
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 2: my wheels turning. I think you guys probably too, Like

1020
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:52,920
Speaker 2: when you conceptualize the possibilities there, it's exciting, Yeah, it is,

1021
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 2: but it's probably not true.

1022
00:56:56,600 --> 00:57:00,359
Speaker 3: It's probably well, yeah, what is the truth? As the

1023
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 3: NRO would say, you're living in a post truth society. Yes,

1024
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:07,640
Speaker 3: so this is an example of modern folklore like, oh,

1025
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:09,920
Speaker 3: it's been there for thirteen thousand years, someone comes out

1026
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 3: and says, oh, and there are photos of it. Oh,

1027
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 3: and also it's related to whatever my previous pet conspiracy

1028
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 3: theory was.

1029
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 4: So this is like in the same vein as ancient

1030
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:20,440
Speaker 4: aliens type stuff.

1031
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 3: This is telephone game ancient aliens. Yeah, because people kept

1032
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:29,920
Speaker 3: threading together the basic concept with pre existing unrelated stories

1033
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 3: and then adding their own thing on the way. What

1034
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 3: we do know is the the big moment for the

1035
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 3: true believers occurs in Oh gosh, ISS. It was the

1036
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 3: STS eighty eight, the first shuttle mission to the ISS,

1037
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 3: and they publish photos and if you look at the photos,

1038
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 3: you can see what appears to be a small black

1039
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 3: object hovering in low Earth orbit above the planet, and

1040
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 3: then boom, it went all around the.

1041
00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 2: World Peoplember nineteen eight, nineteen ninety eight.

1042
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 3: By the way, yes, thank you, yes, And the idea

1043
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 3: was boom in one photograph, we've proved aliens are real,

1044
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 3: they visited Earth, they've been interested enough in life to

1045
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 3: study it. But there is an answer to what it is.

1046
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:21,439
Speaker 2: Well, there's six I think there's six. Yeah, there's six

1047
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 2: photos of this thing from different angles. Right, which is where?

1048
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 2: Which is why what you're getting to right now, Ben,

1049
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:31,280
Speaker 2: That's why it's so important this thing. The shape changes

1050
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 2: as the shuttle is passing by its location, right, so immediately.

1051
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 3: Shape changes in the shape change because of the perspective.

1052
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:47,440
Speaker 2: Which which means it But you'd have to look at it.

1053
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 2: I think one of the reasons they call it Black

1054
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 2: Knight satellite, which this is maybe a complete conjuring in

1055
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 2: my imagination, but there's one photo that I swear it

1056
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:59,400
Speaker 2: looks like Batman with the wings with the wings out.

1057
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 2: I swear that's what it looks like. Ye yeah, yeah.

1058
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 2: But the other photo is it just looks like this

1059
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 2: weirdly shaped, kind of curved on one side thing.

1060
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 3: It looks like a regular space chunk.

1061
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, or a piece of a chip that ripped.

1062
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 3: Off or something. It looks like cosmic flotsam. Right. Yeah. Yeah,

1063
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:24,120
Speaker 3: that's because the answer would you choose to accept it, folks,

1064
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 3: is that the satellite is indeed man made. It's a

1065
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 3: thermal cover, one of four that was meant to clamp

1066
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 3: onto a thing to prevent heat loss. So it's like

1067
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:38,680
Speaker 3: it's like a little jacket for a satellite component. So

1068
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 3: it's cozy, yeah, and also appeared yeah, and they couldn't.

1069
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 3: The thing is on the spacewalk. Spacewalks are amazing and

1070
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 3: terrified and pretty difficult. It's a high stress situation. So

1071
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 3: one of these four thermal covers got away, and you

1072
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:59,360
Speaker 3: can see the video of when it goes wrong. It's online.

1073
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:03,439
Speaker 3: It's just not as popular as the alien satellite videos.

1074
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:05,080
Speaker 2: I have not seen this video, Ben.

1075
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 3: You can see it. You can see a courtesy of

1076
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:09,440
Speaker 3: our friends at space dot com and they link to it,

1077
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:15,600
Speaker 3: and then you can also hear the commander of the

1078
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:19,960
Speaker 3: st S eighty eight mission saying, hey, I think one

1079
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:23,960
Speaker 3: of those thermal covers got away from you, Bud. And

1080
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:27,080
Speaker 3: then they watch it go away. But again they can't

1081
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:30,120
Speaker 3: It's not like you know, when you have a piece

1082
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Speaker 3: of paper blow away on a sidewalk. You can't turn

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01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 3: around and run after it. So they have to kind

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01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:38,920
Speaker 3: of like watch it go into space. Yeah, exactly, very slowly. Reachy.

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Speaker 2: I'm watching the video right now and I'm trying to

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01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:46,040
Speaker 2: find this moment. I'm just it looks like it's upside

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01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 2: down from my point of view, so I haven't even

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01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:51,400
Speaker 2: turned my computer. Okay, this looks more normal. It's definitely

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01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:54,200
Speaker 2: astronauts working on the outside, and they've got these things

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01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 2: you're describing. Yeah, yeah, but they look way smaller than

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Speaker 2: the object than the size of the object, at least

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Speaker 2: my mind perceives in the photos from.

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Speaker 3: SDS eighty eight, because again, the the perspective is so tricky. Yeah,

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01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:15,120
Speaker 3: because depending on the distance of the object from the

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01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:20,000
Speaker 3: standpoint of the photography, it'll look very big in comparison

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Speaker 3: to Earth.

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Speaker 2: They're very small, but because of the resolution of the photographs,

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Speaker 2: and the resolution is pretty high that it exists that

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Speaker 2: it feels the resolution of the actual object feels very

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01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 2: it's like blurry, I guess, and I don't, man, I'm

1101
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 2: trying to just think back through memory. But it does

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01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 2: feel way larger because of the focus for some reason.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's sort of similar, I would say, to

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01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:50,040
Speaker 3: the face on Mars photos because of the perspective that

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01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:54,640
Speaker 3: gets forced there. It's not a one to one comparison,

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01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:58,000
Speaker 3: and it's a bit apples to bananas. M That doesn't

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01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 3: make sense either. I just made that up. That doesn't.

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Speaker 3: What I'm saying is it's not a perfect comparison. But

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01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:08,680
Speaker 3: but from everything we can find, the Black the Black

1110
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:13,240
Speaker 3: Night satellite is or was technically a real thing for

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01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:17,640
Speaker 3: a minute until it went into the atmosphere and burned up.

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Speaker 2: Tway, do we know that that happened.

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01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 3: That appears to be the case. Yes, it was. It

1114
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:27,400
Speaker 3: was called the cap NASA cataloged it. They call it.

1115
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:31,600
Speaker 3: It was number zero two five five seven zero. And

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01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:35,000
Speaker 3: then because you know, it can't adjust its orbit because

1117
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:38,520
Speaker 3: it's space trash, Yeah, it's orbit decays rapidly and a

1118
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:41,680
Speaker 3: few days later it hits the atmosphere, it burns up. Wow.

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01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:44,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, dang, I was really excited. I thought it was

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Speaker 2: still up there.

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01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:48,200
Speaker 3: It would have been cooler it was still up there.

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Speaker 2: What if it is, man, what if this is another

1123
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:56,800
Speaker 2: zooma situation? What if this thing was a spent Panspermia

1124
01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 2: delivery system capsule.

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01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:02,320
Speaker 3: And panspermia so like a space condom.

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01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:04,800
Speaker 2: No, no, not a propyleactic.

1127
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:08,520
Speaker 3: What I mean is like an IV kind of thing.

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Speaker 3: Kind of Yeah, it.

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Speaker 2: Gets to the like close to the atmosphere, releases its payload,

1130
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:16,800
Speaker 2: and it drops in it.

1131
01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:18,360
Speaker 3: Then call it a spaceload.

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Speaker 4: Space guys, I propose that we get Adam Durrett's and

1133
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:26,640
Speaker 4: the Boys and Counting Crows on the case to recover

1134
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:28,520
Speaker 4: these satellites.

1135
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:34,120
Speaker 3: Recover these spaceloads. Uh. It's it's true though, because the again,

1136
01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:37,440
Speaker 3: like if you just look at the photographs as Matt's describing,

1137
01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:41,760
Speaker 3: it does seem really compelling. At least, it seems so

1138
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:48,680
Speaker 3: unusual that there must be something awry. However, that has

1139
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:52,320
Speaker 3: been pretty pretty thoroughly debunked. We would of course love

1140
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:55,880
Speaker 3: to hear evidence otherwise, if you've got something, if you

1141
01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 3: think there's something that needs more exploration. Please let us know.

1142
01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:01,720
Speaker 3: We got a shout out to X thirty seven B

1143
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:04,800
Speaker 3: check out our episodes on that. Here's how I think

1144
01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:08,000
Speaker 3: we have to end because everybody, like us has been

1145
01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:11,320
Speaker 3: consumed with this idea. As we were talking off air

1146
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:18,520
Speaker 3: about this episode and having some very very strange conversations

1147
01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:23,120
Speaker 3: about spy satellites that would later become terrifyingly relevant, a

1148
01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:28,520
Speaker 3: weird piece of synchronicity hit. Representative Michael laur Turner, a

1149
01:04:28,560 --> 01:04:32,080
Speaker 3: Republican of Ohio and chairman of the House Intelligence Committee

1150
01:04:32,080 --> 01:04:35,840
Speaker 3: here in the US, went on XFK Twitter is no

1151
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:39,520
Speaker 3: likes to say and claimed Russia had a new space

1152
01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:44,720
Speaker 3: based nuclear weapon designed to threaten the satellite web of

1153
01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:47,560
Speaker 3: the US. But he didn't say that at first. He

1154
01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:50,560
Speaker 3: did the worst thing that the Internet does. He did

1155
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:56,600
Speaker 3: a vague post and he said, hey, Biden administration, I

1156
01:04:56,680 --> 01:05:00,000
Speaker 3: can't say what terrifying thing is happening, but it's true,

1157
01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:02,800
Speaker 3: and you have to declassify it so that we can

1158
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:06,040
Speaker 3: talk about it to the public, which is such a tear.

1159
01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:08,080
Speaker 3: Like you ever get the text where it's like call.

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01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:12,000
Speaker 4: Me, yeah, I hate those emergency call god no, all right,

1161
01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:15,000
Speaker 4: Boomer because he calls anybody anymore.

1162
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:18,800
Speaker 3: It's like when your bank sends something and go, we

1163
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:22,080
Speaker 3: send something to your email, check your inbox, and you

1164
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:23,680
Speaker 3: click on it and it's like, hey, we just want

1165
01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:27,080
Speaker 3: to let you know we're your bank. Yeah, I don't know.

1166
01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:29,880
Speaker 2: Wait, do you guys not FaceTime with anybody or like yeah.

1167
01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:30,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely.

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01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:32,720
Speaker 4: That's different though, And that's something you do with friends

1169
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:36,720
Speaker 4: that are very close or family members. But you get

1170
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:40,560
Speaker 4: permission first. You don't just do it sight out the scene.

1171
01:05:40,560 --> 01:05:46,480
Speaker 4: That's aggressive nobody. Oh well, look, I literally only do

1172
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:49,720
Speaker 4: it with my kid or someone that I've agreed upon

1173
01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:53,320
Speaker 4: in advance. To send someone an unsolicited FaceTime this day

1174
01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:55,439
Speaker 4: and age, I would argue as an active war.

1175
01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:59,360
Speaker 2: I'm gonna try it with Chuck later and just love that.

1176
01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:02,840
Speaker 3: I love that. Are you really?

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01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:03,520
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1178
01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:06,400
Speaker 3: I'm going all right, let us know. Well he is

1179
01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:09,680
Speaker 3: a boomer though, see, maybe he might accept it as

1180
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:10,360
Speaker 3: an act of love.

1181
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:16,560
Speaker 2: No, I'm not quite a boomer X No, dude, boomers

1182
01:06:16,560 --> 01:06:16,840
Speaker 2: are old.

1183
01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:18,040
Speaker 3: Boomers are like grew.

1184
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:20,240
Speaker 2: Up in the sixties in my soul is what I'm

1185
01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:20,680
Speaker 2: talking about.

1186
01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:23,400
Speaker 3: I see, Well, I'm sad, guys, I didn't know about

1187
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:25,640
Speaker 3: the wide world of FaceTime. No, no, it's a literally

1188
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:29,960
Speaker 3: FaceTime with my kid. And that's what. And so current

1189
01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:33,600
Speaker 3: and former officials came out and they said, here's the

1190
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:38,680
Speaker 3: here's what's really happening. There is reliable, actionable intelligence that

1191
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:44,720
Speaker 3: Russia is possibly going to violate the Open Space Treaty. Uh,

1192
01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:48,360
Speaker 3: the outer space treaty. Excuse me. There's open skies, which

1193
01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:51,200
Speaker 3: Russia already pulled out of, and there's outer space.

1194
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:54,160
Speaker 2: Open skis is a thing where we monitor each other's

1195
01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:56,280
Speaker 2: nuclear capabilities, right.

1196
01:06:56,160 --> 01:07:02,360
Speaker 3: And monitored by anybody. No, no, no, no, it's all

1197
01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:05,200
Speaker 3: the Iron Curtain for a reason. They prefer a one

1198
01:07:05,240 --> 01:07:08,080
Speaker 3: way streak when it comes to spy, and to be honest,

1199
01:07:08,120 --> 01:07:10,920
Speaker 3: most places do. But what they said here, if true,

1200
01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:14,440
Speaker 3: would be terrifying. It's the idea of deploying a nuclear

1201
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:19,880
Speaker 3: weapon in space. This is okay, this gets Russian trouble

1202
01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:22,640
Speaker 3: with the UN as if they care at this point.

1203
01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:26,760
Speaker 3: But even more importantly, this could be enormously dangerous for

1204
01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:28,000
Speaker 3: everybody on the planet.

1205
01:07:28,800 --> 01:07:32,280
Speaker 2: And this isn't starfish. This isn't when we say deploying

1206
01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:36,680
Speaker 2: a nuclear weapon from space. It's not exploding it in space.

1207
01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:41,080
Speaker 2: It's shooting it towards the ground right right, you.

1208
01:07:41,040 --> 01:07:46,080
Speaker 3: Know, pick your favorite menu item of disaster, right. It

1209
01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:50,560
Speaker 3: could it composed existential threat to a huge amount of

1210
01:07:50,600 --> 01:07:54,160
Speaker 3: satellites if it disables the satellite networks and boom back

1211
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:57,160
Speaker 3: to the dark ages. It could deploy onto the surface,

1212
01:07:57,200 --> 01:08:00,320
Speaker 3: in which case we've already seen what happens with a

1213
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:04,840
Speaker 3: nuclear detonation over a populated area. We also know that

1214
01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:08,680
Speaker 3: just like with shooting any satellite out of the sky

1215
01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:14,040
Speaker 3: or forcibly exploding them, it creates so much debris, and

1216
01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:17,479
Speaker 3: that debris creates so much more debris, and we get

1217
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:21,320
Speaker 3: really quickly into a feedback loop that could render space

1218
01:08:21,400 --> 01:08:25,479
Speaker 3: exploration just not feasible. Yeah, and it's over, and it's over.

1219
01:08:25,840 --> 01:08:28,280
Speaker 2: You know what we need up there, guys, We need

1220
01:08:28,320 --> 01:08:31,280
Speaker 2: to build a new harp, but in space.

1221
01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:33,720
Speaker 3: I like it, Yeah right, yeah.

1222
01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:36,160
Speaker 2: I don't know what it would do up there, but

1223
01:08:36,200 --> 01:08:36,800
Speaker 2: we need it.

1224
01:08:36,920 --> 01:08:38,439
Speaker 3: We don't really know what it did down here.

1225
01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:43,519
Speaker 4: We really exactly sent reptilian signals or something like that.

1226
01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:43,800
Speaker 2: No.

1227
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:44,200
Speaker 3: Sure.

1228
01:08:44,439 --> 01:08:48,080
Speaker 2: The idea is it shoots energy into the atosphere and

1229
01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:50,960
Speaker 2: then it goes in a trajectory that's like an arc

1230
01:08:51,280 --> 01:08:53,839
Speaker 2: back down to a target, and it can have effects

1231
01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:56,120
Speaker 2: allegedly allegedly.

1232
01:08:56,320 --> 01:08:59,040
Speaker 3: Check out our video and our episode on ARP, and

1233
01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:01,280
Speaker 3: if you used to work for HARP, hit us up.

1234
01:09:01,400 --> 01:09:03,120
Speaker 3: Let us know when you're in town. Let's go get

1235
01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:03,960
Speaker 3: some chicken wings.

1236
01:09:04,120 --> 01:09:07,840
Speaker 2: That's the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program.

1237
01:09:08,280 --> 01:09:13,759
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yeah, the two a's. So there are also

1238
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:18,000
Speaker 3: other things, like we've proven. One part of these conspiracy

1239
01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:22,760
Speaker 3: theories is indeed conspiracy fact. World powers do conspire to

1240
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:25,840
Speaker 3: use space as a spying ground. But the thing is

1241
01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:29,639
Speaker 3: they pretty much have to because if they don't, everybody

1242
01:09:29,720 --> 01:09:32,400
Speaker 3: else will. It's keeping up with the Joneses on a

1243
01:09:32,479 --> 01:09:35,880
Speaker 3: macro scale, and since the days of Corona, Eyes and

1244
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:39,120
Speaker 3: the Skies have been a non negotiable part of any

1245
01:09:39,160 --> 01:09:44,719
Speaker 3: military strategy. But then the idea of taking space nuclear

1246
01:09:45,320 --> 01:09:48,400
Speaker 3: means that it's a step further deploying weapons that have

1247
01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:53,840
Speaker 3: consequences we as a civilization do not fully comprehend. Is existential.

1248
01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:57,679
Speaker 3: Is an existential threat. It affects every single living being,

1249
01:09:57,760 --> 01:10:01,760
Speaker 3: regardless of where you live on this planet. And that's

1250
01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:07,240
Speaker 3: the precipice upon which we stand collectively today. It's terrifying stuff,

1251
01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:12,360
Speaker 3: it really is. So we're gonna end with some mendes

1252
01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:15,439
Speaker 3: ad gosh, I still subscribe to me Undies. You guys

1253
01:10:15,439 --> 01:10:17,519
Speaker 3: do that their quality, it's good stuff. They last a

1254
01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:19,800
Speaker 3: long time. The last pair I got had really cute

1255
01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:23,920
Speaker 3: lamas on them. I just think Mendi's works because we're

1256
01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:30,040
Speaker 3: talking about such a thoroughly pants crapping situation. Absolutely, and literally,

1257
01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:32,960
Speaker 3: you can crap right in them. They're self cleaning when

1258
01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:35,760
Speaker 3: you crap your pants, crap in me Undies.

1259
01:10:35,640 --> 01:10:43,000
Speaker 2: Us, Yes, because I'm wearing them and I just did so.

1260
01:10:43,400 --> 01:10:46,040
Speaker 3: Uh, let us know what you think about this how much.

1261
01:10:46,360 --> 01:10:48,360
Speaker 3: Of course, there are many things we didn't mention. One

1262
01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:53,639
Speaker 3: of those is the threat of the threat of defense

1263
01:10:53,680 --> 01:10:58,840
Speaker 3: industries magnifying paranoia and fear because it's good for their

1264
01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:01,120
Speaker 3: bottom line. That's a piece of this. But I think

1265
01:11:01,160 --> 01:11:05,400
Speaker 3: this is also a real conspiracy and a clearer and

1266
01:11:05,439 --> 01:11:06,160
Speaker 3: present danger.

1267
01:11:06,439 --> 01:11:08,960
Speaker 2: Yes, what's the thing we talk about all the time

1268
01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:12,320
Speaker 2: when there's an election, especially in the United States, but

1269
01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:15,479
Speaker 2: anywhere in any country, when war is like we're on

1270
01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:19,160
Speaker 2: the precipice of war, war's looming, it's gonna happen. Yeah,

1271
01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:22,960
Speaker 2: the incumbent president generally has a much better chance of

1272
01:11:23,439 --> 01:11:25,200
Speaker 2: continuing or to be re elected.

1273
01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:30,759
Speaker 3: The devil, you know, yeah. Yeah, oh man, So wheels

1274
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:35,400
Speaker 3: within wheels, webs within space. Even though this is occurring

1275
01:11:35,439 --> 01:11:39,000
Speaker 3: in a vacuum, yeah, it's not really happening in vacuum.

1276
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:41,439
Speaker 3: This is all connected. We posit. We want to hear

1277
01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:43,519
Speaker 3: your thoughts. We can't wait to hear from you. Tell

1278
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:45,400
Speaker 3: us what's on your mind. We try to be easy

1279
01:11:45,439 --> 01:11:47,439
Speaker 3: to find online. Oh we sure do.

1280
01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:49,600
Speaker 4: You can find to the handle Conspiracy Stuff, or we

1281
01:11:49,640 --> 01:11:52,040
Speaker 4: exist on Facebook, or we have our Facebook group. Here's

1282
01:11:52,040 --> 01:11:55,040
Speaker 4: where it gets crazy. We also exist and then handle

1283
01:11:55,240 --> 01:11:59,040
Speaker 4: on YouTube, where we're rolling out new video content every week,

1284
01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:02,280
Speaker 4: absolutely delight stuff. You can also find us on x

1285
01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:06,000
Speaker 4: FKA and Twitter. We are Conspiracy Stuff Show, however on

1286
01:12:06,439 --> 01:12:08,559
Speaker 4: Instagram and tick doc bewieve it's more.

1287
01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:13,080
Speaker 2: Yes, we have a phone number, guys, ready call one

1288
01:12:13,360 --> 01:12:17,120
Speaker 2: eight three three STDWYTK.

1289
01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:18,760
Speaker 3: We're bringing it back.

1290
01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:22,080
Speaker 2: Oh good man, oh good that was deep in my soul.

1291
01:12:22,240 --> 01:12:24,320
Speaker 2: A ritual and a half. Everybody. I hope you did

1292
01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:28,280
Speaker 2: that in your car too. When you call in, you've

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Speaker 2: got three minutes. Say whatever you'd like. It is a voicemail.

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Speaker 2: Give yourself a cool nickname and let us know if

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Speaker 2: we can use your name and message on the air.

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Speaker 2: If you've got more to say that you can fit

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Speaker 2: in a three minute voicemail message, why not instead shoot

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Speaker 2: us an email.

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Speaker 3: We read every email we get at conspiracy at iHeartRadio

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Speaker 3: dot com.

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Speaker 2: Stuff they don't want you to know. Is a production

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