1 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: Welcome bird Gang. On today's show, Darren Urban joins me 2 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:10,119 Speaker 1: the big news Wednesday, a big payday for DJ Humphries 3 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: who might be next? But first practice observations. It's Cardinals 4 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: Cover two, Episode five seventy five and it starts now. 5 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two. Hitting the backfield and down 6 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 1: he goes for a loss. JJ Watt Nailed it. Cardinals 7 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: Cover two is presented by Hunday, proud partner of the 8 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals and by Arizona Cardinals Podcasts. Visit acy Cardinals 9 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:42,200 Speaker 1: dot com Slash podcasts. He's at the ten half of five, 10 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:48,199 Speaker 1: hes in again. So for Harry Magic, WHOA, here's Craig Grielou. 11 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 1: So the team was nuts in full pads on Wednesday, 12 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 1: But unless Darren you're Ron Wolfley, I don't think it 13 00:00:57,280 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: was that big of a deal. That's just how they 14 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 1: are going this training camp and my understanding, this team 15 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 1: was never scheduled to be in full pads for a 16 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 1: second straight day, and if they were going to be 17 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:09,959 Speaker 1: in pads on Wednesday, they were gonna be missing a 18 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: lot of players because there were several veterans that were 19 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:15,400 Speaker 1: not on the field, But that was by design. According 20 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 1: to the head coach. First of all, I don't know 21 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 1: why you would want to think that I'd ever want 22 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 1: to be Ron Wolflee. That's number one. Um, don't we 23 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: all aspired to be Dave passed, Ron Wolflee and Paul Kalvci. 24 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm comfortable in my own skin. Okay. I 25 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:32,399 Speaker 1: can't speak for all you, sarahcuse want to be people 26 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 1: that want to be Why not I need to pick 27 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 1: up a phone to or not that you're just a Q. 28 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 1: I'm just saying you you if you go there, it 29 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 1: just feels like there's always this this feeling that you're 30 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 1: chasing something. I don't know whether that is, But do 31 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: you think we're entitled? Your your words not made? Um? 32 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: You know there wasn't a whole lot that went on 33 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 1: out there in terms of starters. Um, that was a 34 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 1: whole host of people that was Honestly, Craig, I think 35 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: that might have been the most people significant people non injured, 36 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: that I've ever seen sit out at a training camp practice. 37 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 1: But again, I think they're trying to measure through this. 38 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 1: I honestly, I think a lot of this in the 39 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 1: end is coming back to where we were and COVID 40 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 1: and seeing what God accomplished, what could still be accomplished 41 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 1: even if you don't kill these guys practice wise, and 42 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 1: I think that's this is just kind of filtering, filtering 43 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 1: through that and so yeah, you get you everybody works 44 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:36,799 Speaker 1: hard on the pad day, then you kind of pull 45 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 1: it back. The other thing too, Craig is remember the 46 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 1: end of practice and it was only a very little part, 47 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 1: but the end of practice on Tuesday, the pad of 48 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: practice was cut short because of the fighting. You know, 49 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 1: if you have all these guys resting, maybe you give 50 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:52,640 Speaker 1: some younger guys some reps that they weren't able to 51 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:54,959 Speaker 1: get that because of that end of practice. And that's 52 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: the bright side and all of this aside from the 53 00:02:57,520 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: fans that do come and are disappointed. Not to the 54 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:02,359 Speaker 1: star ours. But I'll say this, if you want to 55 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 1: see your stars in August, or do you want to 56 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 1: see your stars in September, October, November and in the season. 57 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 1: But to your point, when those veterans a Kelvin Beecham 58 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: or Justin pure Not on the football field, then all 59 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: of a sudden someone has the opportunity to take that spot. Now, 60 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:20,080 Speaker 1: Josh Jones, we saw him play a lot of left 61 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 1: tackle with DJ Humphries not on the field. Hump his back. 62 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: Now he's playing right tackle. I think we can eliminate 63 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 1: any discussion of Josh Jones playing guard, as general manner 64 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 1: Steve come hinted at earlier this offseason on ninety eight 65 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: seven FM, Arizona Sports station. But it's the other guard 66 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 1: spot without Pugh. And today was the first time I 67 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: really noticed one of the offensive lineman the rookies, Markis Hayes, 68 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: was splitting first team reps with Danny Izidora. Big deal, 69 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: I don't know, but that's a seventh round draft pick. 70 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 1: Then I was getting his feet wet with the first 71 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 1: team offensive line. Obviously miss in a number of pieces, 72 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 1: but still quality reps and at least showing something when 73 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 1: he's on the field that hey, I can be a 74 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 1: part of this offensive line if needed. I'm gonna be 75 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:15,119 Speaker 1: very I mean, we're going pretty deep into the depth 76 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 1: chart at this point with a lot of things going on, 77 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 1: and let's hope we never have to worry about this depth. Well, again, 78 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 1: it's good to have, but let's hope we don't need it. Right, 79 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: I get it, but again, you're you're gonna get some guy. 80 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not surprised. I think they probably know 81 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 1: what they have in Danny as Adora that he was 82 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 1: around on the practice squad last year, and whereas you 83 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:36,840 Speaker 1: want to see what Marquise Hayes might have, and you're 84 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 1: gonna get ready for a preseason game where none of 85 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 1: these starters are gonna play anyways. So I mean again, 86 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 1: I'm taking anybody who's getting put into the lineup right 87 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 1: now with a certain grain of salt, because I think 88 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:52,720 Speaker 1: even key backups, they're going to be smart with how 89 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: much they play and everything I mean is justin we're 90 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 1: going to be on this team. I don't know. Dealing 91 00:04:56,920 --> 00:05:00,120 Speaker 1: with the ankle injury about a couple of weeks, you 92 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 1: would think he's got a good chance at it. I mean, 93 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 1: you start doing the numbers. I don't know if Barkis 94 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:08,160 Speaker 1: Hayes and Danny zador are battling for much else than 95 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:11,040 Speaker 1: a practice squad spot, no matter what they might be 96 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 1: doing on a Tuesday. In terms of the depth chart, 97 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:20,919 Speaker 1: because you need what at least eight, potentially nine offensive 98 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:23,599 Speaker 1: lineman and as far as how many you dress on 99 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:26,280 Speaker 1: game day, but you have to have that. You need 100 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:30,799 Speaker 1: a backup center. Yeah, and maybe you need another backup 101 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 1: to that backup depending on Rodney Hudson because he got 102 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:37,479 Speaker 1: banged up last season. But it's the interchangeable and guys 103 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:40,599 Speaker 1: being able to play multiple positions along that line. Well, again, 104 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:43,600 Speaker 1: you've got and I don't know who all makes the team, 105 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 1: but you Josh Jones isn't playing a lot of guard 106 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:49,719 Speaker 1: right now, but my guess is he would be somebody 107 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: they look at to play guard in a game in 108 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 1: a pinch. Justin Murray obviously can play guard and tackle. 109 00:05:56,360 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 1: You've got Will Hernandez, You've got Justin Pugh. You know 110 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 1: what happens with Lucida Smith, who's another guy who plays 111 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:07,719 Speaker 1: kind of guard center. Sean Harlow can play guard. So 112 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 1: I don't I think more of this is more about 113 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: testing out if you if you came down the list 114 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:16,719 Speaker 1: of guys that can make this team. You know, again, 115 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 1: we have a long way to go, and the preseason 116 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: games are going to say a lot. But you know, 117 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:23,039 Speaker 1: I try not to get caught up too much in 118 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:25,719 Speaker 1: the depth chart again, especially when guys aren't there. It's 119 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 1: it's tough to tell right now in camp, even when 120 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 1: you start looking at especially the lines because guys are 121 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:36,159 Speaker 1: sitting out. You know, if if Sean Harlowe wasn't having 122 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 1: to play center all the time because Rodney Hudson's barely practicing, 123 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:41,840 Speaker 1: would he get more snaps of guard? I mean, those 124 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:43,919 Speaker 1: are the things that you just don't know. You know, 125 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 1: Josh Jones might have played a little bit of guards 126 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: so far in training camp if DJ Humphries had not 127 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:55,919 Speaker 1: practice the whole time, So you don't know. Before we 128 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:59,719 Speaker 1: get more into Humphries, moving to the skilled position players 129 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 1: because up Onaisy Cardinals dot Com, you're aftermath, you're a 130 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:08,039 Speaker 1: post to practice blog highlighted two players specifically. One is 131 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 1: wide receiver Greg Dortsch and the second is tight end 132 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: Steven Anderson. And when you don't have a Max Williams, 133 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: when Zach Ertz is given a vet day and Tray 134 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: McBride was given a rest day, someone has to play 135 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 1: the tight end position. And I'll say this Steven Anderson, 136 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 1: not just on Wednesday, but different parts now here to 137 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: the first seven days of training camp practice, He's made 138 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 1: plays in the passing game as far as being able 139 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 1: to make those tough catches and in those red zone 140 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 1: catches as well. We don't know what's going to happen 141 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: with Max Williams, and you know he's still it seems 142 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 1: like a ways from from getting back on the field, 143 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 1: and you're gonna need three good tight ends. And I've 144 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 1: thought a long time that when they signed Steven Anderson, 145 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 1: that was pretty solid signing. And even with Trey McBride, 146 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 1: you're gonna need a Steven Anderson. You don't know how 147 00:07:56,280 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: healthy everybody's gonna be. And in fact, Trey McBride gets 148 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 1: a rest day because he came in early and he's 149 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 1: been getting a ton of reps. And but I like 150 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: what I've seen out of Steven Anderson so far, and 151 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 1: I I like the resume that he has a little 152 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 1: bit of a veteran knows some stuff. You know. Obviously, 153 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 1: in a perfect world, Max Williams is able to come 154 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 1: back and give them something, But right now, I like 155 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: the idea. Again I've said this before, especially if Max 156 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: Williams is healthy, it's undoubtedly the strongest tight end room 157 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 1: they've ever had. And even if he isn't able to 158 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 1: come back soon, I still really like what that room 159 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 1: looks like. Did see Max a little bit later in practice, 160 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 1: working out with assistant trainer Chad Cook on the sideline. 161 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 1: So how far along is Max Williams? Who knows, But 162 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: at least you've got depth at that position now. Greg Dortch, 163 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:50,680 Speaker 1: as far as Sean Jefferson called him five foot nothing, 164 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 1: and it is five foot seven. I mean, Paul Calbisi 165 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:58,079 Speaker 1: towers over Greg Dortch, does he not? Well, I can't 166 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:00,080 Speaker 1: speak for that. I've never actually seen the two of 167 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 1: them in the same room, So that would be a 168 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:06,559 Speaker 1: good something to set up. Get those two, I'm sure. 169 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 1: But here's another player without Hollywood Brown, without d Hop, 170 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 1: without aj Green, someone who is making the most of 171 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 1: his reps as a pass catcher. I think we are 172 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 1: all know what he can do in the return game. 173 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 1: And he's in the mix at both kickoff and punt 174 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 1: right now and probably is going to be that guy 175 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: if rondel Moore is not. But Greg Nortsch and he's 176 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 1: got a little fight in him as Walt not afraid 177 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 1: to mix it up with a dB. I mean, he's 178 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 1: one of those typical and I've seen some of the 179 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 1: things he said on Twitter about himself. I mean, he's 180 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 1: a guy that nobody's going to give a second thought 181 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:48,680 Speaker 1: too because of his size, and he's had to fight 182 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: for everything he's gotten. Sean Jefferson told a great story 183 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 1: about how he went down and gave him a private 184 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 1: workout and he just couldn't break him. He kept trying 185 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:01,680 Speaker 1: to do every drill that he could think of, and UM, 186 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 1: he just did everything and ultimately, UM at one point, 187 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 1: Sean Jefferson's because I think he left school early. And 188 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 1: he said, why why are you leaving school early? You 189 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: know you're you may not even get drafted, and Greg 190 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 1: Dortch was basically like, I'm not going to get any 191 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 1: bigger and and that's a great point. So you know, 192 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 1: it's just it's funny to UM to see a guy 193 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 1: like that have some uh success on the field. I 194 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 1: liked what he gave them at the end of last year. 195 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 1: He was kind of linger around the the practice squad, 196 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 1: got some chances to do stuff late in the season. 197 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 1: I think I think he could help this team. But 198 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 1: at some point you've got to make choices. I don't 199 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 1: I don't think you need a wide receiver lineup, but 200 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 1: I don't think you're gonna have one. But I don't 201 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: think you need a wide receiver lineup with Rondale Moore 202 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 1: and Greg Dortch and any Andy Isabella and Victor Bolden. 203 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 1: They're all like five eight five nine. They're all the 204 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 1: same wide receiver as far as what their case. That's 205 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:03,200 Speaker 1: what I see now on the flip side. Something to 206 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: keep an eye on, burg Gang is Antoine Wesley. He 207 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: kind of had an up and down day at practice 208 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 1: earlier in practice that I think he had the wind 209 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 1: knocked out of him on a sideline reception early in practice, 210 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: only missed one rep, was back out there, but then 211 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 1: later during eleven on eleven cut a touchdown pass from 212 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 1: Colte McCoy down the middle. So that was good to 213 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: see seven on seven though, however, he got shaken up, 214 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 1: limped off the field, in fact, went into the locker 215 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:34,679 Speaker 1: room with head athletic trainer Tom Reid. And now all 216 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 1: of a sudden, that's something to keep an eye on, 217 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 1: because that's a receiver that gives you something that only 218 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 1: aj Green gives you, and that's six foot four the 219 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 1: height and the size. Yeah, I mean, I think there's 220 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:50,440 Speaker 1: another guy Wesley. I think he did some things last year, 221 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 1: and I've liked what he's done in camp so far. 222 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:56,439 Speaker 1: As funny, I was joking with somebody right away when 223 00:11:56,520 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 1: in the first practice he dropped one, maybe two early passes, 224 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 1: and I'm like, this is not the kind of start 225 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 1: he wanted. And since then he's played pretty well, and 226 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 1: I do think he gives them an element that they need. 227 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 1: And he's got his comfort level with Cliff Kingsbury in 228 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 1: the offense because he played for him in college, and 229 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:20,560 Speaker 1: you know, I think that's kind of an underradar thing. 230 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:23,560 Speaker 1: Now again when we talk about these things, and I 231 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 1: quote tweeted a play from him early in camp saying 232 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: he was going to be crucial with hop out and 233 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:30,560 Speaker 1: I get all these responses about it is he's starting 234 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 1: for going to start and steady A J. Greene and 235 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 1: what are you talking about? He's not like it's funny 236 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:40,199 Speaker 1: that you can't praise a guy within the context of 237 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 1: what he's going to be, rather than people see you 238 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 1: praise him and then they make some kind of leap 239 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:47,839 Speaker 1: that that means he's going to be their number one 240 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 1: target or in this case or something like that, or 241 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 1: even the Dorge stuff. When I wrote about Greg Dorche today, 242 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 1: I certainly wasn't meaning, Okay, he's all of a sudden 243 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 1: gonna be getting a bunch of snaps in the regular offense. 244 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:03,199 Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean he can't help you. And ultimately 245 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 1: I feel like that with Wesley, like he's going to 246 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 1: be able to help you, especially bridging that time when 247 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 1: you don't have Hopkins and you need that kind of size, 248 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:13,559 Speaker 1: And that's all it means. Again, it doesn't mean he's 249 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 1: a second coming of Larry Fitzgerald or anything like that, 250 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 1: and I sometimes I think people lose that a little bit. Well, 251 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 1: what there's nuance here, Craig. What's the purpose of training camp. 252 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 1: It's to get ready for the regular season, but it's 253 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 1: also to find those backups, those reserves, to figure out 254 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 1: who can perform when called upon. And if we're not 255 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 1: talking about it here on Cardinals cover two presented by 256 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 1: Hunday Proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals, or writing about 257 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 1: it on Easy Cardinals dot com, then on Wednesday, what 258 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 1: are you writing about it? If you're not noting what 259 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 1: Greg Dortch did during practice, that's you're reporting and you're 260 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 1: analyzing in the moment. We're not going from August third 261 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 1: to week sixteen. Well, and there's always nuance Again, Praising 262 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 1: somebody within their context is not the same as saying 263 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 1: they're the best player ever. I mean, I can say 264 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 1: Greg Dortch had a good a good practice, but that 265 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 1: doesn't mean he had a good practice like DeAndre Hopkins 266 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 1: might have a good practice, and well, you know who 267 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 1: Greg Dortsch is, for instance. You know, it's just you 268 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 1: know so much of this. I know, people thirst for 269 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: what's going on, and then you can go over you 270 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 1: can go over depth charts and who's playing what like 271 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 1: who might be starting. But I've just done this for 272 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 1: too long and I you know, I've seen this and 273 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 1: we talk about camp surprises, and every once in a 274 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 1: while you have a guy that's a surprise and maybe 275 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 1: he makes the team. Most of the time, they don't 276 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 1: have a huge impact during the season. You know, Dennis 277 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 1: Gardeck a few years ago made the team. He had 278 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 1: a great camp for what he was and then he 279 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 1: played special teams and then he never took a defensive 280 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 1: snap and that's okay. But again, that's the kinds of 281 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 1: things we're talking about. When when we get to the 282 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 1: regular season, this team is going to go as far 283 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 1: as Kyler Murray takes them and JJ Watt takes them, 284 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 1: and Marcus Golden takes them. It's not going to be 285 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 1: the guys that are battling for spots in the roster. 286 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 1: That's just not how it works. And again, if you 287 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 1: want to pay attention or see what's happening here at 288 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 1: State Farm Stadium, Cardinals Training Camp powered by Cox Open 289 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 1: practices the rest of the week in the morning Saturday, 290 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 1: the Red and White practice in the afternoon. Godasy Cardinals 291 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 1: dot com for more information and details on how you 292 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 1: can be a part of the action here at State 293 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 1: Farm Stadium. Speaking of practice, man, I'm going to avoid 294 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 1: the Alan iverson m quotes why you're good at that? 295 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 1: DJ Humphrey's practicing on Wednesday for the first time since 296 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 1: training camp. Coincidence perhaps, or it's just you know, it 297 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 1: is what it is. But he gets that three year contract. 298 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 1: Were moving on, Craig, We're just moving on. The contract 299 00:15:56,760 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: is done. Whatever might have kept him out of practice 300 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: has kept him out of practice. As as hump said, 301 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 1: his stomach was hurting and now it's not. So he's 302 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 1: in a good spot and the Cardinals are as well. 303 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 1: And I think more important anything else is the fact 304 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: that you have locked up a left tackle for the 305 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 1: next three seasons. After this year and it's still a 306 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 1: huge part of your offense. And DJ Humphers say what 307 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 1: you want about how he played last season, he did 308 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 1: make the Pro Bowl and he is one of the 309 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: better left tackles in the game, and it does speak 310 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 1: to I think though this might be the first time 311 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 1: outside of Larry Fitzgerald, but now you've got someone who 312 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 1: was drafted, gets one contract, gets a second contract. That 313 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 1: speaks volumes not only to the team, but also for 314 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 1: Humphers as well. I agree, although it also speaks to 315 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 1: kind of where it speaks to where I think some 316 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: contract negotiations these days, and maybe even where the Cardinal's 317 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 1: head is with contract negotiations these days. You know, fitz 318 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:09,120 Speaker 1: did it. Fitz was weird in a couple of ways, 319 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 1: Like they tried to do longer deals with him early 320 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 1: in his career, and he smartly did shorter ones because 321 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 1: he wanted to get another bite at the apple. Whereas 322 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 1: Humphries when he signed his last extension when it wasn't 323 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 1: really an extension. I mean, he signed it in February 324 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:22,360 Speaker 1: and he was going to be a free agent like 325 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 1: three weeks later, so it was right before he became 326 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:27,440 Speaker 1: a free agent. But it was only for three years. 327 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 1: I mean, we knew he was going to have to 328 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 1: come back to the table and he's only played two 329 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 1: of those years, so you know, part of it is 330 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 1: the structure of the other extension that he would get 331 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 1: one right now. And I think both sides wanted to. 332 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:41,640 Speaker 1: You know, Humphries wanted another bite at the apple when 333 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 1: he was still young. He hasn't even turned twenty nine yet, 334 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:46,679 Speaker 1: and you know, the team wanted to make sure that 335 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 1: he was going to continue being what he was after 336 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 1: he got his big extensions. So I think both sides 337 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:55,879 Speaker 1: are happy with where that went, and I think it 338 00:17:55,960 --> 00:18:00,439 Speaker 1: says a lot about again, where contract negotiation might be 339 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 1: these days, when you want to do a little shorter 340 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:03,919 Speaker 1: of a deal so you can get back to the table. 341 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:06,159 Speaker 1: That said, I think it's super important that they have 342 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:09,639 Speaker 1: DJ Humphries for another four seasons, this one to finish 343 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 1: out the current contract, and then the extra three years 344 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 1: and you can settle that left tackle that's blocking Kyler 345 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: Murray's blindside. And we've talked about in a million times 346 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,920 Speaker 1: about the contract status of the rest of the offensive line, 347 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 1: nobody else who's going to be playing significant time this 348 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:29,399 Speaker 1: year at this point, the starters are under contract except 349 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:32,680 Speaker 1: for Rodney Hudson, and Rodney Hudson is probably going to 350 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 1: be year to year anyways because he's thinking about retirement, 351 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:37,399 Speaker 1: so it's something you need to do. They got a 352 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 1: bunch of other guys that still are set to be 353 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 1: free agents after the season, so there still could be 354 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 1: another extension or two at some point, but this one 355 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 1: is a good one to get out of the way well, 356 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 1: and Humphries could get another bite of the apple as well. 357 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:51,639 Speaker 1: If you look three years down the road, he'll be 358 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 1: thirty one, thirty two. Justin Pugh turns thirty two later 359 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 1: this month, Hudson is thirty three, Kelvin Beecham is thirty three, 360 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 1: So it's not out of the realm of possibility that 361 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:05,159 Speaker 1: the Cardinals and Humphries are back at the table. And 362 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 1: interesting to notes that it was actually DJ Humphries who 363 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 1: did this contract with the Arizona Cardinals, something that we've 364 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 1: seen rarely. DeAndre Hopkins did it not too long ago, 365 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 1: but for Humphries Darren, it was important for him to 366 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:23,640 Speaker 1: sit down face to face with general manager Steve come 367 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 1: and do this. Nothing against his agents who have worked 368 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:29,640 Speaker 1: within them in the past, but now to be able 369 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 1: to say all right, fullward thinking post football career, I 370 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:37,959 Speaker 1: need I need to experience this. And he made it 371 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 1: sound like there was some awkward moments here and there, 372 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 1: but that's going to happen. But otherwise, they got the 373 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 1: deal done. They got the deal done. He feels like 374 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: it was fair the moment. We don't know the exact 375 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 1: details of the money, but it did look like it's 376 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 1: it's fairly when the official contract comes through and a 377 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:58,880 Speaker 1: bunch of people break it down, and I'm hoping that happens. 378 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 1: I don't know if DJ Humphreys is a big enough 379 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 1: name for Pro Football Talk to take a bite at 380 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 1: it or whatever. I am curious to know how it 381 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:08,639 Speaker 1: would be assessed. You know, whether they feel like the 382 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 1: team did write on their side, or if DJ got 383 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:15,440 Speaker 1: a really good deal, or if it was just strictly 384 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:17,479 Speaker 1: market value all the way around. I don't know, but 385 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:21,719 Speaker 1: the fact that the player is happy, the players certainly 386 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 1: isn't gonna be hurting for money anytime soon. It was 387 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 1: funny somebody said, is it nice to take care of 388 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:30,679 Speaker 1: your family? And as you noted, he already got one 389 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 1: giant extension, so he said Yeah, my family was already 390 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:36,160 Speaker 1: taking care of pretty well. I think this one's for me. 391 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:40,399 Speaker 1: I love that line, and it's well deserved because, again, 392 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:42,920 Speaker 1: coming off his first Pro Bowl season, he protects the 393 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 1: quarterbacks blindside and selfishly. Darren and I know you agree 394 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 1: with this one. DJ is such a good dude and 395 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 1: a great guy to speak to as far as getting 396 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 1: information and just giving you those quotes that are not 397 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: the cliches. He doesn't speak in cliche and that goes 398 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 1: all the way back to when he first got here 399 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 1: in twenty fifteen, that initial introductory press conference. The man 400 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 1: always has a smile on his face. He's always joking, 401 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:14,639 Speaker 1: but then he's always put it in the work as well, 402 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:19,479 Speaker 1: because let's not forget that twenty fifteen season did not 403 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 1: see a single snap, was in the doghouse in training camp, 404 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:26,160 Speaker 1: and now here he is the longest tenured Arizona Cardinals player. 405 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 1: I will say, I will say it's fairly clear that 406 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:36,160 Speaker 1: you know, sometimes I think DJ Humphreys absolutely had to mature. 407 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 1: He'll say he had to mature. I also think that 408 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 1: there are definitely times when certain players and certain coaches 409 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 1: don't mix. And I think the best thing that ever 410 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 1: happened to DJ Humphries in a lot of ways, was 411 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:55,920 Speaker 1: having Sean Coogler show up. I think he's really helped 412 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 1: DJ Humphries in a lot of ways. And again DJ's 413 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:02,360 Speaker 1: grown up, he's got a kid, he's older now. I mean, 414 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:05,199 Speaker 1: he's not the goofy. He still can be goofy, but 415 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: he's figured it out. The Cliff Kingsbury called himself aware, 416 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 1: and it's true and I do feel that way. But 417 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 1: that happens. That happens with everybody. I mean, I've told 418 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: the story before. I mean the Larry Fitzgerald I knew 419 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 1: when he was twenty years old and when he showed up, 420 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 1: and the Larry Fitzgerald that I knew and like before 421 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:24,239 Speaker 1: he retired. Those are two totally different people, which they 422 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:27,640 Speaker 1: would be when one's twenty and one's thirty seven. But 423 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:32,199 Speaker 1: I just think that, you know, there has to be 424 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:35,399 Speaker 1: time given to all these guys in certain ways, and 425 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,680 Speaker 1: sometimes it's really hard to wait, and sometimes they don't 426 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 1: ever figure it out. But I think it's clear that 427 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 1: DJ Humphries figured it out. It was funny though, listening 428 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 1: to Humphries earlier on Wednesday, you talk about, you know, 429 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 1: eighth year in the league and twenty eight years old, 430 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:51,879 Speaker 1: yet in his own offensive line room, and I mentioned 431 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 1: the ages of his other fellow starters, he still considers 432 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: himself the baby of the group, and to a certain extent, 433 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:03,120 Speaker 1: he is. But he's always learning because he's got Hugh Hudson, 434 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 1: Beach him, guys in there that have played a little 435 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:08,920 Speaker 1: bit longer than he has. So he's in that age 436 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:12,160 Speaker 1: where he's still he's being that young player, yet he's 437 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 1: also being that veteran to the younger offensive lineman. It's 438 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:19,400 Speaker 1: funny because that just comes with whatever group you're around. 439 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 1: I mean, I think Buddha Baker still sees himself as 440 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 1: I think Buddha Baker now feels pretty old, but that's 441 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 1: because he's playing a bunch around a bunch of young players. 442 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:28,679 Speaker 1: If all of a sudden, there was an influx of 443 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 1: young offensive lineman DJ Humphries would feel completely different, and 444 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 1: I that's understandable. So I just again, I think his 445 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 1: trend of where he's gotten in his career, I think 446 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 1: he's deserving in this contract. I think they desperately needed 447 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 1: to re up him, and because I think you needed 448 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 1: to make sure and I still think there's a couple 449 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 1: other guys that you need to seriously think about getting done, 450 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 1: both because you need them around and I hope that 451 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 1: this team isn't going to go into the season with 452 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 1: as many free agents as they stand to have right now, 453 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 1: because that can get really dicey. You could it could 454 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:08,920 Speaker 1: work out fine for you, but it also could work 455 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 1: out poorly for you in terms of all of a 456 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 1: sudden missing all these people and having to do something 457 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:15,919 Speaker 1: about it. Well, Cliff mentioned it, and I believe it 458 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 1: was your question, as was my question, Craig. I as 459 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 1: some good questions. Kind of toss that ball up for 460 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,120 Speaker 1: you and have you knocked it out of the park 461 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:27,160 Speaker 1: and do it so well? But those homegrown players, in 462 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:31,199 Speaker 1: other words, those players that you drafted, Ie Byron Murphy, 463 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:34,680 Speaker 1: Jalen Thompson, Zach Allen, and if you want to include, 464 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 1: and it's even though he left and came back, but 465 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 1: Marcus Golden one of those players, and all of those 466 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 1: players that I just named are going to be unrestricted 467 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:47,399 Speaker 1: free agents. Is there another player or two that gets 468 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,879 Speaker 1: done between now and the start of the regular season. 469 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 1: Extensions don't typically happen once the season begins. It's a 470 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:57,200 Speaker 1: little bit more rare. Cardinals historically have done a very 471 00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 1: good job of extending players win training camp is going 472 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:04,640 Speaker 1: on lately. It's funny because I can remember some in 473 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 1: season extensions. I'm sorry I got to mention this name, 474 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,440 Speaker 1: but Daryl Washington got an in season extension once. Stop 475 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 1: the presses, ladies and gentlemen. Darren Urban on his own 476 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 1: is bringing up d wash not someone else on social media, 477 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 1: but it's a good Darnell Docke. Donnell Dockett got an 478 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:26,879 Speaker 1: in season extension one year. I remember, So it does happen. 479 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:29,479 Speaker 1: But you're right, it feels like they try and get 480 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 1: these done in camp and then after that they're trying 481 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 1: to to move on with the business of the season, 482 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,200 Speaker 1: and so could there be something in the next three 483 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 1: weeks There still could be maybe, but I don't know 484 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:44,120 Speaker 1: if there will be. Is there someone all right play 485 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:49,440 Speaker 1: general manager? Yeah? Of those young homegrown talents, yeah, are 486 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,879 Speaker 1: you counting Marcus Golden is one of those? I do 487 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,120 Speaker 1: will I put a little asterix just because he left 488 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 1: him came back, but he wasn't. But he is a 489 00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 1: draft he wouldn't be my honestly. Of the guys right now, now, 490 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 1: the two people at the top of my list would 491 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 1: be Byron Murphy and Jayalen Thompson. Right now, Byron Murphy 492 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 1: is essentially your number one cornerback. Jayalen Thompson is an 493 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 1: up and coming potential star safety. And you've got you 494 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 1: You've benefited by those draft picks. You want to make 495 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 1: those payoff. Now you've already paid Buddha Baker. This is 496 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:27,439 Speaker 1: where it starts to get a little tougher because if 497 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,159 Speaker 1: these guys are wanting top of the market deals, I 498 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,200 Speaker 1: don't know if Jayalen Thompson would ask for that at 499 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 1: this point. But this is one of those things where 500 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 1: that's why it might behoove them to do something now. 501 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:39,640 Speaker 1: It might cost you a little bit more now than 502 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 1: you're thinking. But it's like with a Christian Kirk thing. 503 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 1: They decided not to do anything and then all of 504 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,920 Speaker 1: a sudden you get to the free agency and one 505 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,679 Speaker 1: takes one team. And so I would Jayalen Thompson and 506 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:52,360 Speaker 1: Byron Murphy would be a couple of guys. I think 507 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,919 Speaker 1: Byron Murphy would get a lot of a lot of 508 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,680 Speaker 1: attraction from the open market, and I think you need 509 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:00,639 Speaker 1: him around and those are two guys I'd rather not 510 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 1: worry about going into the offseason. Now, you do have 511 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 1: a franchise tag that you could use on somebody. But 512 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,719 Speaker 1: that's just what I'm thinking off the top of my head. 513 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 1: I mean, there's other guys. We mentioned Golden, there's Zach Allen. 514 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,439 Speaker 1: I don't think you do Zach Allen right now. You 515 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 1: got to see if he can stay healthy now, and 516 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 1: I think that would be the big I keep bringing 517 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 1: up Zach Allen, but it's it's been one season. By 518 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 1: his own admission, it's been one season. Can he do 519 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 1: it again? Or do you need to wait? And in 520 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 1: the case of Bayern Murphy, if you wait, are you 521 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 1: costing yourself money down the road, because as you get 522 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 1: closer and closer to free agency. Unless're DJ Humphries, you 523 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:43,280 Speaker 1: signed in February and don't wait until March. But cornerbacks 524 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 1: cost more than safeties number one, they cost more number two. 525 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 1: I think at this point this goes for most players. 526 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:55,439 Speaker 1: The Humphries signing in February extension, although he got a 527 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 1: good deal, and I guess that is always possible, that's 528 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 1: a big risk or a team to me, because it 529 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 1: feels like once you get through the season and you 530 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 1: can't get hurt anymore, then why wouldn't you go and 531 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:11,440 Speaker 1: look at the open market? Now? I know teams sometimes say, okay, 532 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,920 Speaker 1: if this is our offer, and if you go onto 533 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 1: the open market, it may not be there anymore. But 534 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:18,879 Speaker 1: I don't know if they play chicken like that, I 535 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 1: don't know. But and there's a lot that goes into it. 536 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,680 Speaker 1: We don't even know what humphries cap number is if 537 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 1: if they were able to lower it all it was 538 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,880 Speaker 1: it was over nineteen million dollars right now. Now did 539 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,679 Speaker 1: they just add the extension on or did they actually 540 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,400 Speaker 1: rejigger all four years so they could lower the cap 541 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 1: number a little bit and actually get a little space back. 542 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 1: I don't know, but I would think they they they're 543 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 1: going to seriously give these things some thought. And honestly, 544 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 1: we didn't know they were talking to Humphreeze. Now. One 545 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 1: of the readings we didn't know is because he didn't 546 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 1: have an agent to leak it everywhere. So it became 547 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 1: it was like super secret when that all came together. 548 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 1: And it's always possible they're working on something, so we'll see. 549 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 1: Nicely done, Darren on how you maneuvered secret in there, 550 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 1: because the title of the article up on asy cardinals 551 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 1: dot com. Secret Agent Man from Darren Urban. So you 552 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 1: can read more on DJ Humphers' contract extension up on 553 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 1: asy cardinals dot com and say, well, well written story, 554 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 1: as it always is when the author is Darren Urban. 555 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 1: And on that note, as I butter them up out 556 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 1: the door, Yes, we'll put a lid on this edition 557 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 1: of Cardinals Cover two presented by Hunday probably partner of 558 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals. As always, special thanks to our executive 559 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 1: producer Joe Momandro For Darren Urban, I'm Greig Rayel Lou. 560 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 1: We'll talk to you next time here on Cardinals Cover 561 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 1: two