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Speaker 2: We're in Sabine County, Texas, walking around the area where

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Speaker 2: Doug Janis was murdered. All I can think about is

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Speaker 2: a passage from Bob Thompson's book, the part where he

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Speaker 2: Bob said that the Fish and Game Department released a

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Speaker 2: but presumably they're still out there. One of Doug's neighbors

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Speaker 2: and from here we have a clear view of Doug's houseboat,

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Speaker 2: the one that burned to the ground. We've talked a

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Speaker 2: what I wonder is, if April did kill Doug, why

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Speaker 2: did she choose that day? December thirteenth, twenty twenty. What

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Speaker 2: Janis's murder starts with figuring out what really happened to

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Speaker 2: April's mother, Anna Thompson on the night she was fatally

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Speaker 2: shot in the early morning hours of September fourth, two

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Speaker 3: I have, you know, conversations I had with Anna. Let

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Speaker 2: night of Anna's death. We have to go way back

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Speaker 2: back to when Yvonne first met Bob and Anna in April.

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Speaker 3: There was just some weird comments. My fiance and myself

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Speaker 3: April was her only outlet, you know, of a fun

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Speaker 2: By now they were both divorced, and that's when they

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Speaker 4: He reached out to shake my hands, same as he

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Speaker 2: they had different life goals. Terry was an educator who

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Speaker 2: But there was another reason why Doug was spending more

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Speaker 4: Doug had begun to go to their house occasionally. They

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Speaker 4: did notice though, that the mobile home park that they

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Speaker 1: So it's like he began to not want me to

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Speaker 2: Terry wasn't the only one. Yvonne and others were noticing

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Speaker 2: After that, Yvaughn said that she and Jay thought maybe

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Speaker 3: this is exactly what she told me. Her words, she said,

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Speaker 3: I mean, you've got to tell you you have to

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Speaker 3: And I said, I was trying to kind of educate her,

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Speaker 2: Yvonne said that later, after three am, Bob called their

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Speaker 3: He said that April told him it was an intruguer.

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Speaker 3: Here's something that I've thought about is I don't think

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Speaker 2: Yvonne began to sense that something was not right at

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Speaker 3: But the one thing I did notice is she was

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Speaker 2: While April was being held in Lufkin and questioned in

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Speaker 4: So and you know, I knew that he went down

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Speaker 1: Happen was that, uh, And I wish I knew the

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Speaker 4: and you just you don't want to even admit that

433
00:24:39,765 --> 00:24:42,805
Speaker 4: it's a possibility, that it's true, and you're hoping to

434
00:24:42,845 --> 00:24:43,405
Speaker 4: God it's not.

435
00:24:44,405 --> 00:24:47,485
Speaker 2: Terry and Doug divorced in two thousand and six. About

436
00:24:47,525 --> 00:24:50,125
Speaker 2: a year later, she moved out of Texas to Colorado,

437
00:24:50,725 --> 00:24:53,605
Speaker 2: but Terry said even after that she and Doug were close.

438
00:24:54,245 --> 00:24:56,765
Speaker 2: The last time that Terry talked to Doug was a

439
00:24:56,805 --> 00:24:58,685
Speaker 2: few days before he married April.

440
00:24:59,245 --> 00:25:02,365
Speaker 1: I thought, okay, I'll use my I'll use my best

441
00:25:02,525 --> 00:25:07,085
Speaker 1: educator skills and talk to this little girl and you know,

442
00:25:07,605 --> 00:25:10,125
Speaker 1: help her to see some reality here. Well, he wouldn't

443
00:25:10,205 --> 00:25:12,405
Speaker 1: let me talk to her. He wouldn't allow me to

444
00:25:12,445 --> 00:25:15,845
Speaker 1: talk to her. He no, no, you don't talk to her.

445
00:25:15,885 --> 00:25:18,845
Speaker 1: So they hung up, that she calls right back again,

446
00:25:19,645 --> 00:25:24,325
Speaker 1: and so that's when I began to suspect there's something

447
00:25:24,445 --> 00:25:27,165
Speaker 1: really going on here. There's something really happening, and there's

448
00:25:27,165 --> 00:25:31,125
Speaker 1: something really going on. The realization really began to hit me.

449
00:25:31,165 --> 00:25:34,725
Speaker 4: But he would not. He always denied that there was

450
00:25:34,805 --> 00:25:39,685
Speaker 4: anything going on that shouldn't have been going on, you know,

451
00:25:39,725 --> 00:25:43,725
Speaker 4: and this was I'd say right up until December of

452
00:25:43,725 --> 00:25:44,605
Speaker 4: two thousand and.

453
00:25:44,565 --> 00:25:49,525
Speaker 1: Eight that you know, here.

454
00:25:49,405 --> 00:25:52,805
Speaker 4: They run off together to go get married after her birthday.

455
00:25:54,205 --> 00:25:56,645
Speaker 2: Doug in April married in December of two thousand and eight,

456
00:25:57,125 --> 00:26:01,485
Speaker 2: on or right after April's eighteenth birthday. Terry said that

457
00:26:01,565 --> 00:26:04,005
Speaker 2: this move blindsided her, that she was shocked.

458
00:26:04,485 --> 00:26:07,125
Speaker 4: I really couldn't believe that he married her. He and

459
00:26:07,165 --> 00:26:11,325
Speaker 4: I had been either talking by phone or emailing, and.

460
00:26:12,205 --> 00:26:15,525
Speaker 1: He gave no indication that he was about to get married.

461
00:26:15,885 --> 00:26:18,045
Speaker 4: I had to wonder if he did it on the

462
00:26:18,085 --> 00:26:22,445
Speaker 4: spur of the moment, if it was poor planning or

463
00:26:22,445 --> 00:26:25,485
Speaker 4: no planning, or if it was something that had been

464
00:26:25,765 --> 00:26:29,405
Speaker 4: in the works. I couldn't imagine why he would marry

465
00:26:30,085 --> 00:26:33,965
Speaker 4: a girl who was eighteen, because that's a lot of

466
00:26:34,005 --> 00:26:38,885
Speaker 4: responsibility for a man that's heading into retirement. I thought, Okay,

467
00:26:39,605 --> 00:26:42,605
Speaker 4: she's gonna end up wanting children, you know. And I

468
00:26:42,645 --> 00:26:46,365
Speaker 4: didn't think that that was something that he wanted. That

469
00:26:46,405 --> 00:26:49,245
Speaker 4: he wouldn't have wanted that responsibility. He wouldn't have wanted

470
00:26:49,285 --> 00:26:50,925
Speaker 4: to raise another family.

471
00:26:51,685 --> 00:26:55,565
Speaker 2: After Anna's death, Bob claimed that he reported April and

472
00:26:55,565 --> 00:26:59,085
Speaker 2: Doug's relationship to police, but he says that he was

473
00:26:59,125 --> 00:27:02,605
Speaker 2: shut down. This is a theme that comes up over

474
00:27:02,685 --> 00:27:05,485
Speaker 2: and over a lot of times we hear about conspiracy

475
00:27:05,765 --> 00:27:07,845
Speaker 2: theories and how scared people are to report things to

476
00:27:07,885 --> 00:27:12,605
Speaker 2: local law enforcement. And sometimes people do have overactive imaginations.

477
00:27:13,325 --> 00:27:16,525
Speaker 2: But on the other hand, paranoid people are not always wrong.

478
00:27:17,085 --> 00:27:19,605
Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong. I still think that, given everything

479
00:27:19,645 --> 00:27:22,925
Speaker 2: we know about Bob and about Doug Janie, that Bob,

480
00:27:23,165 --> 00:27:26,125
Speaker 2: in my opinion, did not do enough to protect his daughter.

481
00:27:27,045 --> 00:27:29,805
Speaker 2: But I also wonder if both things could have been true,

482
00:27:30,445 --> 00:27:34,325
Speaker 2: if Bob could have been willfully clueless, but also if

483
00:27:34,365 --> 00:27:37,965
Speaker 2: there were people in power, specifically men in power who

484
00:27:38,085 --> 00:27:41,405
Speaker 2: knew that April Janis was being abused and did nothing

485
00:27:41,485 --> 00:27:50,925
Speaker 2: about it. A lot of people were wondering the same

486
00:27:50,965 --> 00:27:54,405
Speaker 2: thing after Doug Janis was murdered. They wondered if men

487
00:27:54,485 --> 00:27:58,005
Speaker 2: in power in Sabine County knew April was being abused

488
00:27:58,285 --> 00:28:02,725
Speaker 2: and did nothing about it. April was arrested, charged, given

489
00:28:02,765 --> 00:28:06,405
Speaker 2: a ten million dollar bond, and then released. Why was

490
00:28:06,445 --> 00:28:10,045
Speaker 2: she released? Maybe it was because there wasn't enough evidence,

491
00:28:10,725 --> 00:28:12,965
Speaker 2: but a lot of people close to the case wonder

492
00:28:13,525 --> 00:28:17,045
Speaker 2: could it have been something else. We talked to someone

493
00:28:17,045 --> 00:28:19,845
Speaker 2: who grew up with April, someone who said that people

494
00:28:19,885 --> 00:28:23,245
Speaker 2: in power will never charge April with Doug's murder. This

495
00:28:23,285 --> 00:28:26,525
Speaker 2: person believes it's because April, in their words, knows too much,

496
00:28:27,045 --> 00:28:29,645
Speaker 2: and that the police department in Sabine County have a

497
00:28:29,725 --> 00:28:33,565
Speaker 2: law under themselves so much so they say that the

498
00:28:33,605 --> 00:28:37,365
Speaker 2: county is broke after dealing with sexual assault claims. We

499
00:28:37,405 --> 00:28:40,045
Speaker 2: took a look into court records and I want to

500
00:28:40,085 --> 00:28:43,245
Speaker 2: take a minute to talk about a case Tyson versus

501
00:28:43,245 --> 00:28:46,285
Speaker 2: Sabine County because it is shocking and it makes me

502
00:28:46,445 --> 00:28:50,805
Speaker 2: understand why people there, especially women, could be terrified to

503
00:28:50,845 --> 00:28:55,485
Speaker 2: report anything. It started back on September eighteenth, twenty eighteen,

504
00:28:55,885 --> 00:28:58,725
Speaker 2: when a man named Wade Tyson called the Sheriff's department

505
00:28:58,725 --> 00:29:02,325
Speaker 2: in Sabine County to request a welfare check on his wife, Melissa.

506
00:29:03,365 --> 00:29:05,725
Speaker 2: Wade said he was out of town, his wife was

507
00:29:05,765 --> 00:29:09,725
Speaker 2: home alone and distressed. Deputy David Boyd called Waite and

508
00:29:09,765 --> 00:29:11,325
Speaker 2: told him he would go over to their home and

509
00:29:11,365 --> 00:29:14,485
Speaker 2: do a welfare check. So Deputy Boyd went to their house.

510
00:29:15,005 --> 00:29:17,965
Speaker 2: Melissa was home alone. She answered the door and he

511
00:29:18,005 --> 00:29:21,765
Speaker 2: introduced himself as a sheriff and quote told her that

512
00:29:21,845 --> 00:29:24,365
Speaker 2: he handled welfare checks because he was a preacher.

513
00:29:24,645 --> 00:29:25,125
Speaker 4: End quote.

514
00:29:25,725 --> 00:29:29,645
Speaker 2: That day, Deputy Boyd told other officers not to respond

515
00:29:29,685 --> 00:29:32,005
Speaker 2: to Wade's request. He said that he would be handling

516
00:29:32,085 --> 00:29:35,285
Speaker 2: that call personally. Deputy Boyd left the house after the

517
00:29:35,285 --> 00:29:37,845
Speaker 2: welfare check, but the next morning he showed up again

518
00:29:38,285 --> 00:29:42,845
Speaker 2: alone at the Tyson home. Again, Melissa was home alone.

519
00:29:42,925 --> 00:29:45,565
Speaker 2: This time, Deputy Boyd wasn't in a police cruiser, just

520
00:29:45,565 --> 00:29:49,485
Speaker 2: a plain vehicle, but he was wearing a shirt identifying

521
00:29:49,525 --> 00:29:53,165
Speaker 2: himself as a sheriff. Melissa reached out to shake his hand,

522
00:29:53,325 --> 00:29:55,645
Speaker 2: but Deputy Boyd hugged her and asked if there was

523
00:29:55,685 --> 00:29:58,365
Speaker 2: a place where they could talk privately, so they went

524
00:29:58,405 --> 00:30:01,765
Speaker 2: out to a side porch. During this time, Deputy Boyd

525
00:30:01,805 --> 00:30:05,085
Speaker 2: asked if she had security cameras or neighbors. She said no,

526
00:30:05,085 --> 00:30:08,845
Speaker 2: no can and her neighbors were usually not home. Then

527
00:30:09,005 --> 00:30:11,485
Speaker 2: he made a comment about her being lonely because her

528
00:30:11,565 --> 00:30:13,685
Speaker 2: husband was gone and because she lived all the way

529
00:30:13,685 --> 00:30:16,405
Speaker 2: out there on that dead end road. Melissa said she

530
00:30:16,485 --> 00:30:20,245
Speaker 2: wasn't lonely, she was fine. She later testified she thought

531
00:30:20,245 --> 00:30:23,605
Speaker 2: that Deputy Boyd's behavior was strange, but she said she

532
00:30:23,685 --> 00:30:25,925
Speaker 2: gave him the benefit of the doubt because she believed

533
00:30:25,925 --> 00:30:28,925
Speaker 2: that he was there to help her. Deputy Boyd then

534
00:30:29,005 --> 00:30:32,525
Speaker 2: told Melissa he and some other officers had recently seen

535
00:30:32,565 --> 00:30:36,205
Speaker 2: her at a restaurant. He repeated sexual comments the officers

536
00:30:36,205 --> 00:30:39,765
Speaker 2: made about her body, saying they talked about quote what

537
00:30:39,805 --> 00:30:41,525
Speaker 2: they would like to do to her if they could.

538
00:30:42,525 --> 00:30:44,765
Speaker 2: He talked about her breasts and how they compared to

539
00:30:44,805 --> 00:30:47,525
Speaker 2: his wife's breast and asked her if her and her

540
00:30:47,565 --> 00:30:50,405
Speaker 2: husband would consider a threesome and whether her husband would

541
00:30:50,405 --> 00:30:54,325
Speaker 2: allow someone to watch them having sex end quote. Deputy

542
00:30:54,365 --> 00:30:59,045
Speaker 2: Boyd then allegedly sexually assaulted Melissa. He forced her to

543
00:30:59,125 --> 00:31:02,445
Speaker 2: masturbate in front of him. He then masturbated in front

544
00:31:02,485 --> 00:31:07,085
Speaker 2: of her and left. Melissa said she was horrified afterwards.

545
00:31:07,805 --> 00:31:11,125
Speaker 2: Then it got worse because Deputy Boyd started texting her.

546
00:31:11,805 --> 00:31:14,125
Speaker 2: She reached out to a friend, telling the friend she

547
00:31:14,205 --> 00:31:17,045
Speaker 2: was scared that he was going to hurt her. According

548
00:31:17,085 --> 00:31:20,965
Speaker 2: to court documents, quote, she began frequently seeing a psychotherapist

549
00:31:21,045 --> 00:31:25,125
Speaker 2: and a hypnotherapist. Her intimacy with her husband significantly decreased.

550
00:31:25,525 --> 00:31:28,685
Speaker 2: She gained thirty pounds, She started carrying a gun, She

551
00:31:28,805 --> 00:31:31,965
Speaker 2: put cameras up, and she generally stopped leaving her home.

552
00:31:32,725 --> 00:31:36,045
Speaker 2: In short, the incident changed her whole life and she

553
00:31:36,165 --> 00:31:40,485
Speaker 2: isn't who she used to be end quote. Melissa testified

554
00:31:40,525 --> 00:31:44,245
Speaker 2: she felt forced to submit to Deputy Boyd's assault because

555
00:31:44,285 --> 00:31:47,525
Speaker 2: she was isolated and alone, She was intimidated by his authority,

556
00:31:48,205 --> 00:31:51,005
Speaker 2: and she was frightened that the sexual harassment would escalate

557
00:31:51,125 --> 00:31:54,485
Speaker 2: if she did not comply. Basically, she was terrified, and

558
00:31:54,525 --> 00:31:57,045
Speaker 2: she was also terrified to report the sexual assault to

559
00:31:57,085 --> 00:32:00,605
Speaker 2: local law enforcement because, of course, she remembered the comments

560
00:32:00,645 --> 00:32:04,125
Speaker 2: Deputy Boyd had made about talking to the other officers

561
00:32:04,165 --> 00:32:06,805
Speaker 2: about what they all wanted to do her. This must

562
00:32:06,805 --> 00:32:10,005
Speaker 2: have been terrifying for Melissa, but she did something that,

563
00:32:10,045 --> 00:32:13,725
Speaker 2: in my opinion, is extremely brave. She called the Texas

564
00:32:13,805 --> 00:32:17,485
Speaker 2: Rangers and later she found out that this was not

565
00:32:17,765 --> 00:32:20,485
Speaker 2: the first complaint that had been made against Deputy Boyd.

566
00:32:20,485 --> 00:32:23,365
Speaker 2: There were other victims out there. At least three other

567
00:32:23,405 --> 00:32:27,765
Speaker 2: complaints had been made against him. In April twenty nineteen,

568
00:32:27,885 --> 00:32:30,685
Speaker 2: Deputy boy was indicted by the State of Texas. He

569
00:32:30,765 --> 00:32:34,405
Speaker 2: was charged with sexual assault in decent exposure and official oppression.

570
00:32:35,165 --> 00:32:40,685
Speaker 2: Melissa Tyson sued Sabine County, the sheriff and Deputy Boyd. Initially,

571
00:32:40,725 --> 00:32:43,165
Speaker 2: the district court ruled against her. It's a bit complicated,

572
00:32:43,205 --> 00:32:45,405
Speaker 2: but we talked before about how hard it is to

573
00:32:45,485 --> 00:32:49,525
Speaker 2: sue police officers because they have something called qualified immunity.

574
00:32:49,605 --> 00:32:52,045
Speaker 2: It's meant to be there, so people can't sue police

575
00:32:52,085 --> 00:32:54,485
Speaker 2: officers for things they do during the course of duty.

576
00:32:55,445 --> 00:32:59,005
Speaker 2: But Melissa Tyson won on appeal. The Court of Appeals

577
00:32:59,045 --> 00:33:02,725
Speaker 2: found even though Deputy boy did not use physical force,

578
00:33:03,405 --> 00:33:07,605
Speaker 2: he used mental coercion to sexually assag Melissa. They ruled

579
00:33:07,605 --> 00:33:11,205
Speaker 2: that it was psychological abuse and that he was not

580
00:33:11,445 --> 00:33:14,325
Speaker 2: entitled to any kind of qualified immunity after forcing her

581
00:33:14,365 --> 00:33:17,245
Speaker 2: to masturbate in front of him. This case shocked me.

582
00:33:17,885 --> 00:33:21,765
Speaker 2: Imagine a scenario where people are literally more afraid of

583
00:33:21,765 --> 00:33:25,805
Speaker 2: the police than the bad guys. That's what Melissa Tyson experienced,

584
00:33:25,845 --> 00:33:28,685
Speaker 2: and I am sure many other women in Sabine County

585
00:33:28,685 --> 00:33:33,965
Speaker 2: have experienced the same thing. April's records are sealed, so

586
00:33:34,045 --> 00:33:36,925
Speaker 2: we don't know exactly what happened during the jury trial

587
00:33:37,405 --> 00:33:39,405
Speaker 2: in order for them to find her not guilty of

588
00:33:39,445 --> 00:33:42,685
Speaker 2: her mother's murder. So I wonder what the judge or

589
00:33:42,765 --> 00:33:45,725
Speaker 2: jury knew. Did they ever know that Doug was having

590
00:33:45,765 --> 00:33:49,045
Speaker 2: an affair with April's mother, and that Anna had just

591
00:33:49,125 --> 00:33:52,245
Speaker 2: found out about Doug and April's relationship on the night

592
00:33:52,365 --> 00:33:57,405
Speaker 2: she was killed. After Anna's death, Yvonne said that Bob's

593
00:33:57,405 --> 00:34:00,805
Speaker 2: attitude toward his wife seemed to change. He went from

594
00:34:00,885 --> 00:34:04,165
Speaker 2: talking about her really lovingly to being kind of cold.

595
00:34:04,805 --> 00:34:07,805
Speaker 2: He didn't visit much at the hospital, and then after

596
00:34:07,845 --> 00:34:09,925
Speaker 2: she died, he would talk about her in kind of

597
00:34:09,965 --> 00:34:13,725
Speaker 2: a disparaging way, A complete one eighty from his attitude

598
00:34:13,765 --> 00:34:18,165
Speaker 2: toward his wife before. Yvonne wondered why. She wondered, did

599
00:34:18,205 --> 00:34:22,045
Speaker 2: Bob know about Anna's involvement with Doug or could there

600
00:34:22,085 --> 00:34:23,125
Speaker 2: be something else going on?

601
00:34:23,845 --> 00:34:26,485
Speaker 3: I feel bad rehashing this comes. I'm like, oh my gosh,

602
00:34:26,485 --> 00:34:28,405
Speaker 3: I can't believe I didn't just like call somebody, but

603
00:34:28,405 --> 00:34:30,805
Speaker 3: I said, who are you gonna call? I mean, anyway,

604
00:34:30,845 --> 00:34:31,805
Speaker 3: this town is so weird.

605
00:34:32,525 --> 00:34:35,525
Speaker 2: Yvonne said that April came over to her house and

606
00:34:35,685 --> 00:34:38,845
Speaker 2: that while she was there that April told Yvonn that

607
00:34:38,925 --> 00:34:43,205
Speaker 2: she had shot her mother, and Yvonne said April told

608
00:34:43,285 --> 00:34:46,125
Speaker 2: her why she did it. April said that she and

609
00:34:46,165 --> 00:34:49,125
Speaker 2: Doug were in love, that they were having sex, and

610
00:34:49,165 --> 00:34:51,445
Speaker 2: that her mother, Anna would not let them be together,

611
00:34:51,885 --> 00:34:54,125
Speaker 2: so Yvonn went to the police to tell them what

612
00:34:54,205 --> 00:34:58,645
Speaker 2: she knew. But she also explained that April told her

613
00:34:59,205 --> 00:35:02,485
Speaker 2: that her father had said April had to confess because

614
00:35:02,525 --> 00:35:04,645
Speaker 2: she was young and if he was involved, he would

615
00:35:04,645 --> 00:35:07,685
Speaker 2: go away for a long time, which led Evonne to

616
00:35:07,725 --> 00:35:12,165
Speaker 2: wonder was this true. Did April do this alone or

617
00:35:12,645 --> 00:35:15,965
Speaker 2: could Bob have been involved and pressured April into taking

618
00:35:16,005 --> 00:35:20,245
Speaker 2: the fall due to her age.

619
00:35:18,965 --> 00:35:23,085
Speaker 3: That night having sex. He has a place over in Manny,

620
00:35:23,365 --> 00:35:26,525
Speaker 3: which I didn't know he had another residence. Doug had

621
00:35:26,565 --> 00:35:28,965
Speaker 3: another residence on the other side of the bridge, because

622
00:35:28,965 --> 00:35:30,565
Speaker 3: it was right there at the cut off, you know,

623
00:35:30,605 --> 00:35:35,925
Speaker 3: at the Louisiana line, And that her mother would not

624
00:35:36,005 --> 00:35:39,165
Speaker 3: allow her to see him, and that, yeah, that her

625
00:35:39,165 --> 00:35:41,565
Speaker 3: mother was so mean and wouldn't let her be with Doug,

626
00:35:42,565 --> 00:35:45,245
Speaker 3: and that that's why she shot her. But she never

627
00:35:45,285 --> 00:35:48,365
Speaker 3: would say that Bob hadn't even know she did. That's

628
00:35:48,405 --> 00:35:51,005
Speaker 3: what she said, Bob. Well, she didn't say Bob did it.

629
00:35:51,405 --> 00:35:55,605
Speaker 3: She was just saying that Bob said she needed to

630
00:35:55,845 --> 00:35:59,725
Speaker 3: confess to it because he would go to because that

631
00:35:59,845 --> 00:36:02,485
Speaker 3: they would think he did it. Basically, you see what

632
00:36:02,525 --> 00:36:04,965
Speaker 3: I'm getting that like, you never said he did it,

633
00:36:05,765 --> 00:36:08,965
Speaker 3: but he did say that. He was telling her she

634
00:36:09,165 --> 00:36:11,525
Speaker 3: needs to say she did it because he'll never get

635
00:36:11,525 --> 00:36:12,085
Speaker 3: out of jail.

636
00:36:12,685 --> 00:36:15,685
Speaker 2: I Vonn said that she told the police about Doug

637
00:36:15,725 --> 00:36:19,925
Speaker 2: molesting Anna. That's when things took a turn for the bizarre.

638
00:36:20,805 --> 00:36:24,365
Speaker 2: Yvonne claims the police officer she talked to was not

639
00:36:24,525 --> 00:36:27,445
Speaker 2: surprised when she told them about Doug and aples relationship.

640
00:36:28,725 --> 00:36:30,005
Speaker 4: He said, is he from Philsey?

641
00:36:30,085 --> 00:36:33,325
Speaker 3: And I said yeah. He said, yep, yep, he sure is.

642
00:36:33,445 --> 00:36:35,645
Speaker 3: He said, you know why he's here on Filido Bend.

643
00:36:36,165 --> 00:36:38,805
Speaker 3: I said, no, I don't. He said, well, because he

644
00:36:38,845 --> 00:36:41,165
Speaker 3: got caught messing with some little girls and Philsney too.

645
00:36:44,005 --> 00:36:48,245
Speaker 3: He said yep, he said, and mommy and daddy you know,

646
00:36:49,205 --> 00:36:52,005
Speaker 3: paid them off or whatever he said. And of course

647
00:36:52,085 --> 00:36:54,925
Speaker 3: he ran down and got hisself married a little quick

648
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Speaker 3: to Terry. He said, they don't live together. I said, no,

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Speaker 3: they don't. So how does this guy know all this?

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00:37:01,685 --> 00:37:04,965
Speaker 3: It's the sheriff. I never talked to him again, and

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00:37:05,005 --> 00:37:07,845
Speaker 3: they wouldn't. I looked for him and couldn't even find it.

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Speaker 3: I'm telling you the truth.

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Speaker 2: Yvonne said that when she tried to follow up. The

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00:37:12,885 --> 00:37:17,005
Speaker 2: officer she spoke to wasn't there anymore. Not only that,

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00:37:17,125 --> 00:37:19,965
Speaker 2: she was told there was no record of him working there.

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00:37:20,205 --> 00:37:23,765
Speaker 3: Like, I don't know where he went, how he went,

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00:37:23,885 --> 00:37:27,605
Speaker 3: I don't know. It's so bizarre. I told him his

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00:37:27,685 --> 00:37:29,445
Speaker 3: name and everything, and they were like, ma'am, he does.

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00:37:29,725 --> 00:37:31,245
Speaker 3: We don't have anybody here it works by here but

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00:37:31,365 --> 00:37:34,165
Speaker 3: a name, and I'm just like, oh my gosh, I mean,

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Speaker 3: I am the hell out of here. I am like,

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00:37:36,005 --> 00:37:41,565
Speaker 3: let people at that. What I can't remember. I have

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00:37:41,605 --> 00:37:43,365
Speaker 3: to realize I didn't write any of this down at

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Speaker 3: the time. It wasn't like I was planning on ever

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Speaker 3: talking about it again. Honestly, I don't remember his name.

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Speaker 3: I just know he was a white sheriff. I don't know,

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00:37:53,325 --> 00:37:56,525
Speaker 3: but I felt like, y'all are lying. He probably said

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00:37:56,525 --> 00:37:59,965
Speaker 3: stuff he wasn't supposed to say, and either y'all fired

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Speaker 3: him or I don't know what she did with him.

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Speaker 2: Yvonne said that I've or that weird incident with a

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Speaker 2: disappearing sheriff. She decided to get out of town. Right

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Speaker 2: before she left, she had another disturbing running with Bob,

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Speaker 2: and he said this to her.

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Speaker 3: Be a shame. You're after fishing in that fishing out

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Speaker 3: there in the boat and a bullet flies out of

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Speaker 3: the National Force and hits you in the head. You

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00:38:25,325 --> 00:38:27,885
Speaker 3: know what happens around here quite a bit. Yeah, I

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Speaker 3: mean you know. And so Jason Jay just come on,

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Speaker 3: we're leaving, and I get about halfway into the truck

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Speaker 3: and I just just so pissed off. I just turned

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Speaker 3: around and I said, yeah, but there's one big difference

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Speaker 3: between me and Anna. You want to know if that

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00:38:40,525 --> 00:38:43,445
Speaker 3: is Bob, I said, I got Stanley. That gives a shit,

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00:38:43,765 --> 00:38:45,205
Speaker 3: I said, And they will be back up here so

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00:38:45,245 --> 00:38:46,845
Speaker 3: fast they'll make your head spin, and they will turn

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Speaker 3: everything here upside down to find out exactly where I

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Speaker 3: am and exactly who did it to me.

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Speaker 2: Yvonne left the area but never forgot about what happened.

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Speaker 2: Her story has never been told publicly until.

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Speaker 3: Now because periodically I always think about it, you know,

691
00:39:03,885 --> 00:39:07,765
Speaker 3: And I thought, whatever happened to those people? And so

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00:39:07,885 --> 00:39:13,885
Speaker 3: I google the name and it pops up, and I

693
00:39:13,925 --> 00:39:18,325
Speaker 3: about fell out when I saw that Doug died in

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00:39:18,405 --> 00:39:21,245
Speaker 3: a fire on that houseboat, and that when they recovered

695
00:39:21,245 --> 00:39:23,125
Speaker 3: the body, there was two bullet holds in his head.

696
00:39:23,765 --> 00:39:26,325
Speaker 3: I'm like, well, there you go, there is your karma.

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Speaker 4: You taught her how.

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00:39:27,925 --> 00:39:30,685
Speaker 3: To do it, she did it to you. That's really

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00:39:30,685 --> 00:39:33,525
Speaker 3: what I think. So no, I don't feel good for

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00:39:33,565 --> 00:39:37,485
Speaker 3: the man. Sorry, I don't. I feel like karma, perfect karma.

701
00:39:38,765 --> 00:39:42,605
Speaker 3: But I think it's just that small town in hell.

702
00:39:42,765 --> 00:39:46,805
Speaker 3: Yeah it is. Yeah, it's very weird. So I will

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00:39:47,205 --> 00:39:50,245
Speaker 3: love her somehow Anna to have justice. I know that

704
00:39:50,565 --> 00:39:54,005
Speaker 3: no one's ever gonna everybody's dead now, So I'm gonna

705
00:39:54,005 --> 00:39:55,845
Speaker 3: tell you because I really feel like that the only

706
00:39:55,885 --> 00:39:58,205
Speaker 3: two victims out of all of it was April and

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00:39:58,845 --> 00:40:01,845
Speaker 3: her mother. I think they both are victims. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's what I believe.

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Speaker 2: Even though Doug Janis may have been imperfect, it's important

710
00:40:09,525 --> 00:40:13,565
Speaker 2: to remember he's still left behind children and grandchildren, a

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00:40:13,605 --> 00:40:17,485
Speaker 2: family who loved him, and he deserves justice just like

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Speaker 2: any other victim. Was April involved in Doug's murder and

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00:40:22,325 --> 00:40:25,125
Speaker 2: if so, did she do it alone or was someone

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00:40:25,125 --> 00:40:28,605
Speaker 2: else involved? Was there really ten thousand dollars on the

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00:40:28,605 --> 00:40:31,525
Speaker 2: boat or could there have been a lot more money?

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Speaker 2: And what are the connections between Doug Janis and people

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Speaker 2: in positions of power in Sabine County? Are there still

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Speaker 2: people there getting away with murder. I'm Catherine Townsend. This

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