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Speaker 3: When I make a list of the most popular things

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Speaker 3: we do on this show over the years, having done

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Speaker 3: this for twenty years now, playing a Paul Harvey clip

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Speaker 3: Are those are things? And then I will discover in

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Speaker 3: my meanderings. Usually somebody will send it to me, someone

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Speaker 3: talking about a book of the Bible, a character in

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Speaker 3: He's teaching the Bible, and from what I understand, he's

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Speaker 1: And I am honored to say he's with us now.

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Speaker 2: Michael. Good to talk to you.

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Speaker 3: So take me from in in ninety two, You're drafted

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Speaker 2: What does that mean?

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Speaker 4: And notice that Paul's writing to the Philippians. He doesn't say,

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Speaker 4: y'all can do all things through Christy strengthens y'all. He

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Speaker 4: could have said that, So what does he mean when

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Speaker 2: So? Really?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, what he's talking about in the whole letter

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Speaker 4: it's a very alive in wealth theology today that if

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Speaker 4: you serve the Lord, right, if you serve whatever God

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Speaker 4: it is you serve, he will bless you physically and financially. Now,

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Speaker 4: and of course that's not the gospel, that's not Paul's reality.

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Speaker 4: Paul had everything you know that a religious leader would

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Speaker 4: and persecuted and shipwrecked, and everywhere he goes it's turning

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Speaker 4: terrible for him. And he's concerned with these Philippians who

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Speaker 4: have participated with him in the gospel from the first

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Speaker 4: Day until now they've been with him in his defense

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Speaker 4: of the gospel, and he's concerned that they're going to

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Speaker 4: leave him because of the persecution that's coming. And so

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Speaker 4: they sent him a gift, and he's thankful for the gift.

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Speaker 4: He's writing this in chapter four and he says, I'm

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Speaker 4: thankful for the gift, but I don't need it. I've

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Speaker 4: learned how to get along with plenty, and I've learned

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Speaker 4: how to get along with nothing. I'm amply supplied. I

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Speaker 4: can do all things through Cristy strengthency. He can endure

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Speaker 4: all suffering, he can endure all hardship because his hope

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Speaker 4: prosperity now. And so once you put it in that context,

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Speaker 4: now the reader, the Philippians who are to adopt Paul's

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Speaker 4: theology to think the same way Paul thinks, can say, now,

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Speaker 4: I understand what he's saying, and we too can do

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Speaker 4: all things through We can endure all things through Christ,

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Speaker 4: he strengthens us.

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Speaker 2: And that's really the the reality of life, isn't it

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Speaker 2: that you know, we were talking, we were texting tack

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Speaker 2: well you have great I know I'm not.

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Speaker 1: Quite as old as you. Gray hair give way.

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Speaker 3: We'll continue our conversation with David Klingler. The website is

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Speaker 3: Teach Me the Bible dot Com. Teach Me the Bible

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Speaker 3: David Klingler was once known as a star quarterback at

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Speaker 3: Stratford High School and then at the University of Houston,

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Speaker 3: his first round draft pick for the Cincinnati Bengals, and

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Speaker 3: after his career was over, or as he said, even

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Speaker 3: before that, he started looking for more meaning in life

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Speaker 3: and he wanted to learn the Bible, not to preach,

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Speaker 3: not for a living. He didn't need to worry about that,

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Speaker 3: but he wanted to understand learned the Word of God.

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Speaker 1: So he went to.

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Speaker 3: The Dallas Theological Seminary and ended up getting his PhD.

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Speaker 3: And now teach me the Bible dot Com and the

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Speaker 3: podcast teach me the Bible and with us. Now, let

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Speaker 3: me give you this segment if you would, and you've

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Speaker 3: got about eight minutes, and I want you to teach

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Speaker 3: me the Bible of the Birth of Christ as you would,

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Speaker 3: and I'll give you a one minute wrap up.

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Speaker 1: But my guessing is you got your clock down pretty good.

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Speaker 2: All right, So the assignment the birth of would have been.

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Speaker 1: Nice if I gave boy the lead time, I know.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, well.

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Speaker 4: That's okay, Well, no, well, it's an Old Testament story,

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Speaker 4: you know it, really, the birth of Christ is an

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Speaker 4: Old Testament story. The whole story is an anticipation. So

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Speaker 4: we you know, we go back to creation, we go

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Speaker 4: back to the garden, and you know, and God has

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Speaker 4: this mandate to where he says, let us make man

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Speaker 4: in our image and in our lightnings.

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Speaker 2: Let him rule over the bird's ear and the fish

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Speaker 2: and the sea. At the beast of the field.

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Speaker 4: He creates man and gives him, creates the woman to

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Speaker 4: help her. They were to be fruitful and multiply image bears.

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Speaker 4: And the serpent comes into this scene. The antagonists or

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Speaker 4: adversary comes in and deceies the woman, and the man's

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Speaker 4: and they're kicked out.

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Speaker 2: Of the garden. They're removed from the tree of life.

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Speaker 4: And so now man, you know, Adam's name is a

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Speaker 4: he comes from the adamah Adama means ground. He was

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Speaker 4: raised up out of the ground to never return.

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Speaker 2: To it, to rule over the birds, the ear, the fish,

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Speaker 4: And now he's going back to the ground. And that

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Speaker 4: creates the problem. And it's our problem, right, We think

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Speaker 4: we've got a lot of problems. Our problem them is

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Speaker 4: you're you know, your days are numbered, and you don't

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Speaker 4: know if today's your last day. And so this introduces

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Speaker 4: the problem, and the Lord declares right there in Genesis three.

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Speaker 4: The Church has always recognized what we call the proto Evangelium,

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Speaker 4: the first proclamation of the Gospel, that the Lord was

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Speaker 4: going to bring through this woman, this one who would

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Speaker 4: be born, who would die for sin. We're reading a

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Speaker 4: the story. And so the whole story of Genesis is

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Speaker 4: tracking this promise and really nothing else practical attracts this

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Speaker 4: promise down through the genealogies, through Noah, through Abraham, through Isaac,

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Speaker 4: through Jacob, through Israel, through Judah, through the family line

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Speaker 4: of Paris to the to the house of David the King,

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Speaker 4: and this promise is given to him, and it's going

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Speaker 4: to come through this kingly line of David, and Isaiah

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Speaker 4: and says, a virgin will give birth, that I don't

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Speaker 4: need you, King a has I don't need you. The

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Speaker 4: Diavidic line I don't need is I'll do it by

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Speaker 2: And so all of.

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Speaker 4: Creation, all of the hope of the world waits for

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Speaker 2: At the right time to the day, as Daniel.

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Speaker 4: The prophet prophesies, Christ is born, the promised One appears,

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Speaker 2: Creation, all of the.

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Speaker 4: he walks onto the scene and does exactly what was foretold, crucified, buried,

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Speaker 4: And you know, and that's the gospel story. That's the

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Speaker 4: it's the it's the story of the births of Christ.

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Speaker 4: So it's it's a thirty nine books building towards the gospels.

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Speaker 4: Everything is pointing towards this morn and when he's born.

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Speaker 5: It is just.

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Speaker 2: You know, the hope of the world has appeared. And

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Speaker 3: What you know you mentioned Philippians four thirteen and how

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Speaker 3: You know, I can do all things through Christ, who

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Speaker 3: strengthened me. What are things about Christ's birth or life

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Speaker 3: or I don't want to get to teachings per se

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Speaker 4: Well, I think that the from the very beginning. You know,

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Speaker 4: God or whatever it is, you'll be blessed. Now you say, well,

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Speaker 4: that doesn't make any sense. It certainly didn't work for Paul,

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Speaker 4: You know, Abel was the righteous one, but Cain kills Abel.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it didn't work for Abel, it didn't work

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Speaker 2: Paul.

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Speaker 4: So Paul is going to say things like, all who

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Speaker 2: Will suffer, will be persecuted.

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Speaker 4: And so this was Jesus's life, and so often I

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Speaker 4: think that and we kind of learned this through through

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Speaker 4: the Gospel and americanized it so that the means by

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Speaker 4: which you can experience the American dream is Christ.

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Speaker 2: He will help you, you know.

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Speaker 4: Achieve all you want to achieve. I know, the plans

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Speaker 4: I have for you, declares the Lord of future and hope.

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Speaker 4: And so we go in there, we grab that verse

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Speaker 4: and I don't think that we focus on that near

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Speaker 4: But once the you know, Christianity kind of becomes the

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Speaker 4: now you know, it's yeah, and it becomes a means

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not and we we we thank Jesus because

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Speaker 3: You know, there's this idea that you know, if I,

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Speaker 3: awards and all those things. And it's always it's always

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Speaker 1: I don't know that that one's always bothered me a

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Speaker 1: David Klingler is our guest.

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Speaker 2: He is.

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Speaker 1: And he'll be our guest or more I mean