WEBVTT - Patriots Catch-22 1/31: Takeaways from Senior Bowl Practices, NFL Draft, Coaching Staff Updates 0:00:04.720 --> 0:00:08.080 This is the Patriots Catch twenty two Podcasts with Evan 0:00:08.160 --> 0:00:09.840 Lazar and Alex bart. 0:00:11.560 --> 0:00:11.880 Lazarre. 0:00:11.960 --> 0:00:13.000 Hello, everybody nailed it. 0:00:13.119 --> 0:00:15.800 He joined as always by our bark. 0:00:18.960 --> 0:00:21.560 Here is Evan Lazar and Alex bars. 0:00:21.520 --> 0:00:25.640 All right, well you just went through a sickness, an 0:00:25.680 --> 0:00:28.280 illness to just go three minutes on Joe Millen. So 0:00:28.320 --> 0:00:30.920 that's how you know how good he is or how 0:00:31.080 --> 0:00:32.720 nobody get you interesting? 0:00:33.040 --> 0:00:33.400 Interesting? 0:00:33.880 --> 0:00:35.000 I didn't say good, You're right? 0:00:37.000 --> 0:00:38.839 Is Evan changing his tone on that one? 0:00:39.360 --> 0:00:41.520 Has he gone from there? 0:00:41.920 --> 0:00:46.600 Has he gone from interested to end? Has he dropped 0:00:46.600 --> 0:00:50.760 the tristed when it comes to Joe Milton? We will 0:00:50.840 --> 0:00:53.240 find out later on in the program. It is Alex 0:00:53.240 --> 0:00:56.120 Barth and Evan Lazar brand new episode of Catch twenty two. 0:00:56.760 --> 0:00:59.360 Last week I was virtual because I was sick, didn't 0:00:59.400 --> 0:01:01.840 have my voice. Evan was in the host chair. This week, 0:01:01.880 --> 0:01:04.360 Evan is in mobile. He is at the Senior Bowl. 0:01:04.560 --> 0:01:07.160 So I am in the host chair here in Foxborough, 0:01:07.240 --> 0:01:10.800 here at Chillette Stadium. Obviously we're going to have a 0:01:11.080 --> 0:01:13.800 ton of Senior Bowl talk, a ton of prospect talk, 0:01:13.880 --> 0:01:14.840 a ton of draft talk. 0:01:14.920 --> 0:01:15.240 Today. 0:01:15.760 --> 0:01:17.920 Let's take your calls eight five to five Pats five 0:01:18.040 --> 0:01:21.520 hundred eight five five Pats five hundred again the number 0:01:21.480 --> 0:01:24.200 of web radio at Patriots dot com if you want 0:01:24.200 --> 0:01:27.280 to email in. So it will be mostly draft, mostly 0:01:27.360 --> 0:01:31.160 Senior Bowl. But the Patriots hired a coordinator and that's 0:01:31.920 --> 0:01:34.120 a big deal. There's only three on the team. Actually, 0:01:34.120 --> 0:01:36.160 they've hired two I think since our last show. 0:01:36.520 --> 0:01:37.600 I think comtitles. 0:01:38.680 --> 0:01:41.360 I think the Comington hired didn't come until that was 0:01:41.400 --> 0:01:45.199 over the weekend, right, So ye, We've got a couple 0:01:45.200 --> 0:01:48.040 of coordinator related notes to get to, and we'll talk 0:01:48.080 --> 0:01:51.640 about the offensive coordinator as well before we get into 0:01:51.680 --> 0:01:53.640 the prospect. So Evan, I guess let's start there. The 0:01:53.640 --> 0:01:56.760 offensive coordinator conversation is probably going to be a bit 0:01:56.800 --> 0:01:59.160 on the longer side. So just what they have in 0:01:59.240 --> 0:02:03.240 play so far? Or DeMarcus Covington, Jeremy Springer, your thoughts 0:02:03.240 --> 0:02:05.680 on those two guys starting off Girodmeo's staff. 0:02:06.560 --> 0:02:10.000 Well, on a positive note with DeMarcus Covington, I feel 0:02:10.000 --> 0:02:13.480 like this is twofold one. You wanted to see them 0:02:13.520 --> 0:02:15.520 keep some continuity on the defense side of the ball. 0:02:15.560 --> 0:02:17.560 Obviously they were going to do that already with the 0:02:17.560 --> 0:02:21.080 head coach being an internal promotion, but I felt like 0:02:21.200 --> 0:02:23.520 that side of the ball really wasn't broken. There was 0:02:23.560 --> 0:02:26.560 no need to go outside the box and try to 0:02:26.600 --> 0:02:29.840 fix something that was working. Ninth and DBOA last year, 0:02:30.240 --> 0:02:33.079 top ten finishing DVOA the year before that as well, 0:02:33.560 --> 0:02:36.080 So they're okay on the defense side of the ball. 0:02:36.120 --> 0:02:37.920 I know, in you're four and thirteen, it feels like 0:02:38.000 --> 0:02:42.560 everything is bad, but they weren't bad on defenses past year. 0:02:42.600 --> 0:02:45.880 And DeMarcus Covington has a lot of fans in that 0:02:45.960 --> 0:02:47.680 locker room, and that I think is a big thing 0:02:47.720 --> 0:02:50.600 about the way they're going through this process is making 0:02:50.639 --> 0:02:53.840 sure that the players are on board with the coaches 0:02:53.840 --> 0:02:55.959 that are in place, and that they have a pro 0:02:56.280 --> 0:03:00.960 player coaching staff, you know, a player friend coaching staff. 0:03:01.000 --> 0:03:03.040 And I think DeMarcus Covington has a lot of fans 0:03:03.040 --> 0:03:07.000 in the locker room welly, very well respected, very well 0:03:07.040 --> 0:03:10.160 thought of, and a hot commodity. I think a guy 0:03:10.200 --> 0:03:12.880 that a lot of teams that were interested in as 0:03:12.880 --> 0:03:16.160 a defensive coordinator, interviewed a bunch of different places. So 0:03:16.600 --> 0:03:19.800 in that respect, I feel a lot of positive jews 0:03:19.800 --> 0:03:23.320 from DeMarcus Covington, but I'm interested to hear your take 0:03:23.360 --> 0:03:24.959 on this, Alex. You know, there are two things that 0:03:25.320 --> 0:03:29.239 do worry me. One, this whole entire coaching staff Jeremy 0:03:29.240 --> 0:03:32.840 Springer included the special teams coordinator that they reportedly hired, 0:03:33.639 --> 0:03:36.920 All Young, a lot of first time guys on the job. 0:03:37.440 --> 0:03:40.920 DeMarcus Covington has never called plays in an NFL game before. 0:03:41.560 --> 0:03:44.320 Girod Mayo has never called defensive plays in an NFL 0:03:44.400 --> 0:03:47.680 game before. So they're passing that towards most likely from 0:03:47.720 --> 0:03:52.480 Steve Belichick to DeMarcus Covington. So the inexperience is a 0:03:52.520 --> 0:03:55.800 worrisome factor for me and all this. But I do 0:03:55.960 --> 0:03:58.320 like DeMarcus Covington, like I like Girod. I think they're 0:03:58.360 --> 0:04:01.360 both good coaches. Just going to be a matter of 0:04:01.760 --> 0:04:04.600 is it too much inexperience and do they have enough 0:04:05.160 --> 0:04:08.600 proven sort of commodities on the coaching staff to carry 0:04:08.640 --> 0:04:10.960 them through and how does the play calling thing go? 0:04:11.160 --> 0:04:14.680 Because to me, I don't see how Steve Belichick stays 0:04:14.720 --> 0:04:15.360 in this equation. 0:04:15.760 --> 0:04:17.920 You don't know that I'm not rolling it out yet. 0:04:19.680 --> 0:04:21.880 I know and I know there's been reports. I think 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:26.000 Reese has floated out their potential assistant head coach title 0:04:26.320 --> 0:04:29.680 instead of defensive coordinator. But I just feel like it's weird, 0:04:30.839 --> 0:04:34.120 especially for a young thirty four year old first time 0:04:34.200 --> 0:04:37.640 defensive coordinator, to have the guy that was calling plays 0:04:37.640 --> 0:04:42.000 and essentially Coke defensive coordinating or co coordinating the defense 0:04:42.080 --> 0:04:45.360 last year, last couple of years with Drodmeo, to have 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:48.320 Steve in the building kind of like hanging over his shoulder. 0:04:49.480 --> 0:04:52.520 First couple of signs of trouble rough Waters, like, are 0:04:52.520 --> 0:04:55.160 people going to start asking and questioning why is and 0:04:55.279 --> 0:04:58.520 Steve the play caller? Why is and Steve taking more 0:04:58.600 --> 0:05:01.479 charge of the defense. I just think that a clean 0:05:01.560 --> 0:05:04.560 slate is probably what's best for DeMarcus Covington, even if 0:05:04.720 --> 0:05:08.000 Steve would add value in the building in general, I 0:05:08.040 --> 0:05:09.160 don't know how you feel about that. 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:11.880 I think if I don't know, how many people are 0:05:11.880 --> 0:05:14.600 going to be calling for Steve Belichick to be the 0:05:14.640 --> 0:05:17.039 head coach if it doesn't go well with Gerrod, I 0:05:17.080 --> 0:05:19.719 think people are gonna go right just back to while 0:05:19.720 --> 0:05:22.479 they shouldn't have fired Bill. And that's gonna happen whether 0:05:22.520 --> 0:05:25.560 Steve's in the building or not. So I don't think 0:05:25.600 --> 0:05:28.919 there's too much there. I think if Drowd Mayo thinks 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:31.840 he adds value, and it adds to Mayo's comfort level 0:05:31.880 --> 0:05:34.120 having him in the building. I'd take I'd bring him back. 0:05:34.760 --> 0:05:38.760 If DD Mayo's worried about the overhanging elements of the 0:05:38.760 --> 0:05:41.920 Belichick name, you know, you got it's drawd ship. Let 0:05:41.960 --> 0:05:44.440 him run the ship. You know, that's who should ultimately 0:05:44.480 --> 0:05:46.960 be up to. If he thinks it's beneficial to have 0:05:47.000 --> 0:05:51.400 Steve Belichick back, then I'm all for it. The play 0:05:51.480 --> 0:05:53.640 calling thing is the biggest question here. Because they kept 0:05:53.680 --> 0:05:56.920 the continuity, you figure that they're not going to change much, 0:05:56.960 --> 0:05:59.359 if anything, schematically, it's going to be more or less 0:05:59.360 --> 0:06:03.360 the same core concepts. So the personnel still works all 0:06:03.360 --> 0:06:05.279 of that. It's just what's it gonna look like calling plays? 0:06:05.920 --> 0:06:08.159 And that's the big question for me, And real quick 0:06:08.200 --> 0:06:11.600 on Jeremy Springer. I know a lot of people are 0:06:11.600 --> 0:06:15.040 worried about the RAMS special teams. I don't have the 0:06:15.120 --> 0:06:17.560 DVA numbers in front of me, but they were. 0:06:17.880 --> 0:06:19.400 Dead last, all right, so they were. 0:06:20.360 --> 0:06:23.039 They were also dead last on PFF last year in 0:06:23.120 --> 0:06:24.880 terms of special teams. The year before that they were 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:27.560 thirty first, so or no, sorry, they were thirty first 0:06:27.560 --> 0:06:29.280 in the year before that, dead last. So it hasn't 0:06:29.320 --> 0:06:33.200 been good to which I'll say one at least last 0:06:33.240 --> 0:06:35.279 year they were super young. They had something like twenty 0:06:35.320 --> 0:06:39.720 udfa's on that roster, and the one area they were 0:06:39.760 --> 0:06:42.599 good is their kickers. Their kickers were generally pretty good. 0:06:42.640 --> 0:06:46.000 So I'm not gonna sit here. I know I'm normally 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:47.680 the guy, the special teams guy. I'm not gonna sit 0:06:47.680 --> 0:06:49.239 here and tell you I know all the special teams 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:52.600 candidates that were available right from the people who were 0:06:52.640 --> 0:06:54.800 interviewing around the league. It's not like there were many 0:06:54.839 --> 0:07:00.719 special teams coaches interviewing from successful special teams units. Like 0:07:00.839 --> 0:07:02.839 most of the guys they interviewed. The guy from the 0:07:02.880 --> 0:07:06.080 Giants whose name I'm blanking on, their special teams ranked 0:07:06.160 --> 0:07:08.159 kind of towards the bottom his last two years. They're 0:07:08.480 --> 0:07:10.520 Marquise Williams, who they offered the job to and he 0:07:10.560 --> 0:07:13.480 turned it down. The Falcons were fifteen special teams two 0:07:13.520 --> 0:07:15.239 years ago, but last year they were towards the bottom 0:07:15.280 --> 0:07:17.560 of the league. And most major metrics, these are just 0:07:17.600 --> 0:07:20.400 the coaches who are available. There's more variance with special 0:07:20.440 --> 0:07:22.480 teams than there is with offense or defense. You can 0:07:22.560 --> 0:07:24.800 go from the bottom to the top or the top 0:07:24.840 --> 0:07:29.640 to the bottom. It varies very dramatically year to year. 0:07:29.760 --> 0:07:31.840 So if they put the pieces in place, I think 0:07:31.880 --> 0:07:35.200 Jeremy Springer will be okay. They just have to do that. 0:07:35.840 --> 0:07:37.960 But I do understand, you know, why you bring in 0:07:37.960 --> 0:07:40.160 a guy who was an assistant for the unit that 0:07:40.240 --> 0:07:42.040 ranked dead last in the league last year. It's a 0:07:42.200 --> 0:07:44.280 valid question. I'm not gonna sit here and say it's 0:07:44.280 --> 0:07:45.080 not a valid question. 0:07:45.720 --> 0:07:49.040 Yeah. I think Rick Gosling, who does the annual special 0:07:49.080 --> 0:07:51.640 teams rankings every single year that I know people in 0:07:51.680 --> 0:07:54.600 the league actually do pay attention to and do care 0:07:54.640 --> 0:07:57.800 about a little bit. They were also dead last. The 0:07:57.920 --> 0:08:00.880 Rams were in that statistic as well. The Patriots were 0:08:00.880 --> 0:08:03.360 more middle of the pack last year, I believe it 0:08:03.440 --> 0:08:06.880 or not, despite the kicking issues. So I understand the 0:08:08.120 --> 0:08:11.240 concern with Jeremy Springer based off of what the Rams 0:08:11.240 --> 0:08:14.080 have done. I'm also not gonna sit here and pretend 0:08:14.120 --> 0:08:17.120 like I know every single special teams coordinator or know 0:08:17.400 --> 0:08:21.520 exactly the schemes that Jeremy Springer is gonna run on 0:08:21.600 --> 0:08:24.800 special teams. But I will say this, I do find 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:30.800 it interesting how Gerrodmeo is gonna approach special teams versus 0:08:30.840 --> 0:08:34.199 how Bill Belichick approached special teams. Are they going to 0:08:34.280 --> 0:08:39.160 have the Matthew Slaters, Brendon Schoolers, Chris Boards, Cody Davis's 0:08:39.160 --> 0:08:42.080 of the world all on the roster next year? And 0:08:42.160 --> 0:08:44.960 I wonder, you know, Springer working with a bunch of 0:08:45.000 --> 0:08:47.160 young players last year, we're working with a bunch of 0:08:47.280 --> 0:08:50.560 rookies on special teams. Maybe they look at it and say, 0:08:51.200 --> 0:08:54.000 we're probably gonna be giving those roster spots away to 0:08:54.080 --> 0:08:56.800 guys that we think are gonna contribute in multiple phases 0:08:56.800 --> 0:08:59.440 instead of just in the kicking game. And we don't 0:08:59.440 --> 0:09:01.960 necessarily do it the way that Bill Belichick viewed it 0:09:02.000 --> 0:09:04.880 in terms of having all those special teams only guys 0:09:04.920 --> 0:09:07.840 on the roster. Therefore, there are gonna be some rookies 0:09:07.880 --> 0:09:09.520 that are gonna play in the kicking game. There are 0:09:09.520 --> 0:09:12.400 gonna be some udfas that are gonna play in the 0:09:12.480 --> 0:09:15.000 kicking game. And I think that that's a good thing 0:09:15.040 --> 0:09:17.439 because I look at some of those things as opportunities, 0:09:17.640 --> 0:09:21.880 you know, for players like last year a mere Speed again, 0:09:21.960 --> 0:09:24.000 you know, he was a guy that really they only 0:09:24.080 --> 0:09:26.760 viewed as a special teamer. He gets picked up by 0:09:26.760 --> 0:09:30.480 the Colts when they tried waving him. Marty Mapu, like, 0:09:30.559 --> 0:09:34.319 those types of players should be playing regularly on special 0:09:34.320 --> 0:09:36.640 teams and in the kicking game, and that can get 0:09:36.679 --> 0:09:39.400 players up to speed with the speed of the game, 0:09:39.960 --> 0:09:43.800 tackling live in game situations and things like that to 0:09:43.840 --> 0:09:47.359 the point where maybe in year two they are contributing 0:09:47.360 --> 0:09:50.920 on defense. Maybe they are contributing on defense later on 0:09:51.000 --> 0:09:53.920 in year one if they show out on special teams 0:09:53.920 --> 0:09:56.120 and show that they can handle the physicality and the 0:09:56.160 --> 0:09:59.400 speed and the tackling and the open field and things 0:09:59.400 --> 0:10:02.240 of that. Sure, so I would like to see them 0:10:02.240 --> 0:10:04.720 give some of the younger players some opportunities to just 0:10:04.760 --> 0:10:07.920 get into these games. And maybe that's how Girodmeo looks 0:10:07.960 --> 0:10:11.000 at it. On special teams, No offense to Board and 0:10:11.160 --> 0:10:14.360 Davis and those types of players, But those guys are 0:10:14.440 --> 0:10:16.680 veteran guys that have played a ton of football that 0:10:17.280 --> 0:10:20.000 you know didn't help the bottom line of their special 0:10:20.040 --> 0:10:22.360 teams unit last year all that much. So why not 0:10:22.960 --> 0:10:25.720 give those opportunities to some of the younger players coming in. 0:10:26.120 --> 0:10:28.920 I don't think it's unfair to have one or two 0:10:28.920 --> 0:10:31.160 of those guys on the roster. If you had like 0:10:31.160 --> 0:10:33.439 a Matthew Slater and a Cody Davis. 0:10:33.040 --> 0:10:36.160 And like Matthew Slater is one thing, though Matthew Slader 0:10:36.240 --> 0:10:37.880 is an all time great special teamer. 0:10:38.000 --> 0:10:41.160 Right, But I'm saying, even if you had one or 0:10:41.160 --> 0:10:45.600 two core special teams guys, I think that's that's realistic 0:10:45.600 --> 0:10:48.640 because you want guys that can, it's their primary focus. 0:10:48.720 --> 0:10:51.319 It's with their two too. You want leaders in that group. 0:10:51.440 --> 0:10:53.240 I think there is something to be said where if 0:10:53.240 --> 0:10:56.240 you're just constantly changing eleven guys or ten guys might 0:10:56.280 --> 0:10:59.240 skick or punter in and out, you lose some continuity 0:10:59.240 --> 0:11:01.520 on that side in that phase. I think it helps 0:11:01.880 --> 0:11:04.080 they what was it, it was nine they had this 0:11:04.160 --> 0:11:06.720 year that only played special teams, Like, that's too many. 0:11:07.480 --> 0:11:12.079 I think one or two is fine. I wouldn't want zero. 0:11:12.400 --> 0:11:14.160 I do think it's important to have some leaders in 0:11:14.200 --> 0:11:17.040 that room beyond kicker, punter, long snapper. You don't need 0:11:17.120 --> 0:11:20.000 nine to again. One or two to me is sweet spot. 0:11:20.080 --> 0:11:23.360 All right. Now we have offensive coordinator Yep down to 0:11:24.559 --> 0:11:27.880 so they interviewed eleven candidates, but we are down to 0:11:28.080 --> 0:11:30.400 six in terms of people who they have interviewed who 0:11:30.440 --> 0:11:33.720 have not either taken another job or in the case 0:11:33.720 --> 0:11:35.400 of guy like Jarrad Johnson, I think that was last 0:11:35.480 --> 0:11:37.839 night right that broke with Jarraw Johnson that he's going 0:11:37.960 --> 0:11:40.520 the other night, that he's gonna stay in Houston. So 0:11:40.559 --> 0:11:42.880 the six guys still kind of up in the air 0:11:43.280 --> 0:11:46.000 are I'm just in no particular order. This is the 0:11:46.080 --> 0:11:48.880 order I have them written down. Nick Kayley, who is 0:11:48.920 --> 0:11:50.959 the Rams tight ends coach, obviously was here for eight 0:11:51.000 --> 0:11:54.000 years as a tight ends coach, Tanner Engstrand who's the 0:11:54.080 --> 0:11:57.640 Lions pass game coordinator, former tight ends coach Brian Flurry 0:11:57.679 --> 0:12:00.959 who's the Niners tight ends coach, Luke Getsi who's the 0:12:01.000 --> 0:12:05.640 former Bears offensive coordinator in Packers quarterbacks coach Clint Kubiak 0:12:05.760 --> 0:12:10.080 who's the Niners pass game coordinator, and Scott Turner who 0:12:10.120 --> 0:12:14.720 is the Raiders pass game coordinator. Let's actually let's do 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:17.959 Kaylee last, because Kaylie's kind of been viewed as the favorite, 0:12:18.000 --> 0:12:21.360 So let's let's end it. There a lot of attention 0:12:21.480 --> 0:12:27.520 in that Shanahan, McVeigh, Lafleur category, Angstrand I really like. 0:12:27.640 --> 0:12:31.240 I think Kubiak's an interesting candidate. It does seem like 0:12:31.320 --> 0:12:33.760 whichever direction they go, the only guy, the only Guys 0:12:33.760 --> 0:12:38.160 that aren't from that tree are Angstrand, who's in Detroit 0:12:38.640 --> 0:12:41.360 and has been in Detroit. And is Scott Turner in 0:12:41.400 --> 0:12:43.360 that tree like he's kind of bounced around. I'm not 0:12:43.400 --> 0:12:44.240 really sure what his. 0:12:45.120 --> 0:12:48.480 Is, not not necessarily, I mean he he was in 0:12:48.640 --> 0:12:50.760 Washington for a minute. So it feels like it, right 0:12:50.800 --> 0:12:53.480 because everybody in that tree is from. 0:12:54.480 --> 0:12:57.080 He's never been in any one spot long enough for 0:12:57.160 --> 0:12:58.520 me to look at it and be like, all right, 0:12:58.559 --> 0:13:00.880 that must be where his core for lost he comes from. 0:13:01.600 --> 0:13:03.960 Yeah. So it's interesting because, like you know, Angstream with 0:13:04.000 --> 0:13:08.200 the Lions, for example, and Ben Johnson, they run a 0:13:08.360 --> 0:13:10.960 pass game and a play action pass game that I 0:13:11.000 --> 0:13:13.400 would say has a ton of overlap to what the 0:13:13.520 --> 0:13:17.520 Shanahan Tree is doing. They're all about what's clear out 0:13:17.520 --> 0:13:20.000 the middle of the field and let's create you know, 0:13:20.440 --> 0:13:24.199 intermediate shots into the middle of the field with stretched 0:13:24.280 --> 0:13:27.000 vertical stretch elements in the middle of the field and 0:13:27.040 --> 0:13:30.080 things like that, and then obviously running the football. But 0:13:30.120 --> 0:13:32.840 they run the football differently. They're not an outside zone 0:13:32.880 --> 0:13:35.800 based scheme. They're a downhill scheme. They're a power scheme. 0:13:36.280 --> 0:13:38.400 They run a lot of duo, they run a lot 0:13:38.679 --> 0:13:42.200 of counter trap that type of stuff. So they do 0:13:42.280 --> 0:13:45.400 it a little bit differently than the Niners guys or 0:13:45.440 --> 0:13:48.120 the McVeigh guys do it, but it's the pass game 0:13:48.200 --> 0:13:50.680 is pretty similar in terms of how it marries up 0:13:50.960 --> 0:13:53.600 and things like that. That's and it's why Jared Goff 0:13:53.600 --> 0:13:56.559 has been successful going from the Rams to the Lions, 0:13:56.600 --> 0:13:58.959 and they've built that around Jared Goff a little bit 0:13:59.000 --> 0:14:02.600 as well, I'm sure. So I wouldn't say that Egstrand 0:14:02.720 --> 0:14:07.400 is is Shanahan Try by any means, But it's a branch, 0:14:07.600 --> 0:14:10.320 right Like It's not like a main branch, but it's 0:14:10.400 --> 0:14:13.640 it's kind of like an adjacent in a lot of ways. 0:14:14.280 --> 0:14:17.240 He's a fascinating candidate obviously, just based off of the 0:14:17.280 --> 0:14:21.080 Lions recent success and Ben Johnson staying in Detroit, it 0:14:21.080 --> 0:14:25.520 would be a great higher But at this point I 0:14:25.560 --> 0:14:29.120 think that Nick Kayley, it would be an upset if 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:33.200 it wasn't Nick Kayley as the offensive coordinator. And I 0:14:33.600 --> 0:14:35.880 think that there is a chance though that one of 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:39.400 these names on this list ends up coming in as 0:14:39.640 --> 0:14:43.480 a top assistant as well, like maybe a quarterbacks coach, 0:14:43.600 --> 0:14:47.240 or maybe they give somebody a pass game coordinator title. 0:14:47.480 --> 0:14:49.400 You know Nick Kayley has been working with tight ends, 0:14:49.440 --> 0:14:51.360 so he does a little bit of bold pass game 0:14:51.440 --> 0:14:54.040 run game, but I'd say he might steer a little 0:14:54.080 --> 0:14:57.240 bit more towards run game in his background. So is 0:14:57.280 --> 0:14:59.880 there a chance that they bring in a Clinton, Kooby 0:15:00.400 --> 0:15:04.400 or Getsi, who both have experience with quarterbacks as a 0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:09.160 quarterbacks coach slash pass game coordinator, and that brings in 0:15:09.280 --> 0:15:12.720 somebody in the building that has worked closely with a quarterback, 0:15:13.000 --> 0:15:15.120 because I think that is really important. 0:15:15.320 --> 0:15:17.760 So, okay, do you think because the question a lot 0:15:17.800 --> 0:15:19.960 of people have with Kaylee is is he coming back? 0:15:20.800 --> 0:15:23.880 He has a year in mcveigh's system, so he's exposed 0:15:23.880 --> 0:15:27.240 to it. But that's compared to eight years in Josh 0:15:27.320 --> 0:15:30.600 McDaniel's system. Which one is he coming back to run? 0:15:30.640 --> 0:15:32.840 Which one are you bring him back to run? How 0:15:32.920 --> 0:15:36.360 much does just one year of exposure give him when 0:15:36.400 --> 0:15:38.760 it comes to actually implementing that McVeigh offense. 0:15:39.640 --> 0:15:42.840 It's the number one question is which playbook is he 0:15:42.920 --> 0:15:45.920 coming in to run? And I look at it and 0:15:45.920 --> 0:15:51.000 I don't think that you can. Your roots are in 0:15:51.040 --> 0:15:53.200 the system that they're in, right, So I don't think 0:15:53.200 --> 0:15:56.560 that you can completely reinvent yourself in one year now, 0:15:56.600 --> 0:16:00.160 can he pull from the Shanahan McVay stuff and maybe 0:16:00.200 --> 0:16:02.400 they bring a little bit more motion, Maybe they bring 0:16:02.440 --> 0:16:05.360 a little bit more outside zone, maybe they bring a 0:16:05.360 --> 0:16:09.240 little bit more of the boot actions and things like that. Yeah, 0:16:09.280 --> 0:16:11.960 absolutely that that could be a bigger part of the 0:16:12.000 --> 0:16:14.280 offense compared to what we've seen it over the last 0:16:14.280 --> 0:16:17.120 twenty four years. But I would have to imagine that 0:16:17.160 --> 0:16:20.400 there's going to be more overlap with the Patriots playbook 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:23.440 than the McVay playbook. With that being said, though, if 0:16:23.440 --> 0:16:27.240 they bring a Getzi who is with Lafleur in Green Bay, 0:16:27.680 --> 0:16:30.440 or they bring Koobiak who's in San Francisco right now, 0:16:31.000 --> 0:16:33.160 it does give you two people that have been in 0:16:33.200 --> 0:16:35.600 that system. So if they want to go more towards 0:16:35.600 --> 0:16:38.960 that thing, that line of thinking, then those two guys 0:16:39.040 --> 0:16:41.400 can then help. One of those two guys can could 0:16:41.480 --> 0:16:45.400 help a Nick Kaylee implement more of those things. But 0:16:45.520 --> 0:16:50.000 I think that where Kaylee's it's mainly just you pick 0:16:50.080 --> 0:16:52.320 up little things here and there. I don't think you're 0:16:52.320 --> 0:16:55.560 going to completely reinvent yourself from one year with Sean McVay. 0:16:55.840 --> 0:16:57.880 Again, you want to call and join us, We're talking 0:16:57.920 --> 0:16:59.720 coordinators right now, we'll get into the Senior Bowl in 0:16:59.720 --> 0:17:01.840 the little bit and want to ask us about prospects 0:17:01.880 --> 0:17:05.480 eight five five pats five hundred, So eight five five 0:17:06.359 --> 0:17:11.480 seven to eight seven five hundred. My one thing, Look, 0:17:11.800 --> 0:17:18.200 if Kaylee's gonna come here and implement McVeigh style things 0:17:18.480 --> 0:17:24.600 into the pre existing Patriots offense, that's one thing. If 0:17:24.640 --> 0:17:27.399 you're bringing him back just to run the Josh McDaniels offense, 0:17:27.640 --> 0:17:29.000 I know people aren't gonna want to hear this one 0:17:29.080 --> 0:17:31.199 to say it. Just just bring back Josh McDaniels at 0:17:31.240 --> 0:17:31.560 that point. 0:17:31.720 --> 0:17:34.960 Oh yeah. I honestly, we've been talking about this a 0:17:35.000 --> 0:17:39.480 little bit out here. Why they're there seems so reluctant, 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:42.600 at least at this moment, to bring back Josh McDaniels. 0:17:42.640 --> 0:17:45.719 I think it's a little surprising. Maybe him and Gerrodmeo 0:17:45.800 --> 0:17:49.600 didn't have the tightest of relationships. Maybe they want to 0:17:49.640 --> 0:17:52.840 distance themselves from the Belichick thing. I get that, But 0:17:53.920 --> 0:17:55.520 I don't know about you, Alex, But like if you 0:17:55.600 --> 0:17:58.040 just look at the names that they're interviewing and the 0:17:58.080 --> 0:18:00.959 guys that are available right now, I mean, is there 0:18:00.960 --> 0:18:04.680 any question that Josh McDaniels is the most qualified candidate 0:18:04.800 --> 0:18:07.440 on the market to be the offensive coordinator. And when 0:18:07.440 --> 0:18:09.640 I say on the market, I mean guys that would 0:18:09.720 --> 0:18:14.639 realistically take the job. And I understand that Josh McDaniels 0:18:14.640 --> 0:18:17.399 is not perfect. He's not a good head coach. We 0:18:17.520 --> 0:18:21.520 know that, but just in terms of his offensive actimen, 0:18:21.600 --> 0:18:25.840 his experience, his experience running an offense, calling plays in 0:18:25.920 --> 0:18:29.040 an offense, I just think that you'd be hard pressed 0:18:29.040 --> 0:18:32.000 to find a better candidate that is available and that 0:18:32.040 --> 0:18:34.240 would take the gig. And I know that he has 0:18:34.280 --> 0:18:36.800 all sorts of ties, but to the New England area. 0:18:36.880 --> 0:18:39.520 His family is in New England, like he wants to. 0:18:40.160 --> 0:18:43.560 I think would much rather be home base in New 0:18:43.600 --> 0:18:46.360 England than anywhere else in the country. Yeah, those things 0:18:46.400 --> 0:18:46.959 are rare. 0:18:47.720 --> 0:18:50.960 That's the one thing I'd urge people with McDaniels, is. 0:18:52.359 --> 0:18:52.399 It. 0:18:53.800 --> 0:18:55.680 We talked about this a lot, Evan. There are some 0:18:55.760 --> 0:18:57.960 guys that are great coordinators and that's what they are. 0:18:58.000 --> 0:19:00.960 And that's the end of the sentence, right, And if 0:19:01.280 --> 0:19:04.960 there are reasons to hesitate about McDaniels, and I get it, 0:19:05.000 --> 0:19:07.720 and we've talked about them, he stunk as a head 0:19:07.720 --> 0:19:09.520 coach is not a reason to not hire him as 0:19:09.520 --> 0:19:13.840 a coordinator. That's because it's you're you're, it's a completely 0:19:13.880 --> 0:19:18.760 different job, and he was better as a coordinator. So 0:19:18.880 --> 0:19:20.920 I just I it is a little interesting that I 0:19:21.000 --> 0:19:23.720 brought him up. It may be, like you said something, 0:19:23.880 --> 0:19:26.960 just with the with the Belichick era and trying to 0:19:27.119 --> 0:19:28.639 move on a little bit. All right, let's take a 0:19:28.680 --> 0:19:30.680 call or are you good on the coordinators? 0:19:31.240 --> 0:19:31.480 Yeah? 0:19:31.640 --> 0:19:31.879 You do? 0:19:31.880 --> 0:19:34.320 You want me to praise Joe Milton now or later? 0:19:34.480 --> 0:19:36.320 Hang on? Hang on, We're gonna get to Joe Milton. 0:19:36.400 --> 0:19:38.040 Let's take some call, in some emails. Then we'll get 0:19:38.040 --> 0:19:41.400 into prospects. Let's go to Nik in Australia. I gotta 0:19:41.400 --> 0:19:47.240 figure this thing out. Niek we got you. Hello, I 0:19:47.320 --> 0:19:56.280 got him Nick. Sorry, this is oh Jake. Okay, we 0:19:56.359 --> 0:19:58.480 got Jake, It says nieck On here Jake. How are 0:19:58.480 --> 0:19:59.440 we doing today? 0:20:00.240 --> 0:20:00.720 Not today? 0:20:00.880 --> 0:20:01.840 So tell you. 0:20:03.600 --> 0:20:05.480 It's a it's been a long time I've been pitching 0:20:05.520 --> 0:20:07.000 a call with But you guys on so early? 0:20:08.440 --> 0:20:09.640 What time is it called the cat? 0:20:11.280 --> 0:20:12.560 About eight thirty in the morning. 0:20:13.080 --> 0:20:14.480 Okay, Yeah, so that's that's. 0:20:14.280 --> 0:20:17.120 So really, So I just want to give a big 0:20:17.160 --> 0:20:19.880 place to you guys, because you guys absolutely do an 0:20:19.920 --> 0:20:22.400 awesome job, especially this time of the year. 0:20:22.680 --> 0:20:23.000 Dang you. 0:20:25.000 --> 0:20:28.560 But yeah, on the coordinators that we're just talking about, 0:20:28.720 --> 0:20:31.960 I just missed the special teams who were talking about, 0:20:32.040 --> 0:20:34.800 but just wondering if we could use one of our 0:20:35.040 --> 0:20:36.480 to get us through this year. 0:20:38.560 --> 0:20:39.399 Sorry, say that again. 0:20:40.720 --> 0:20:45.720 The safe the special teams to coordinators, Yep, just seeing 0:20:45.800 --> 0:20:48.080 if we could get away with one of ours. Boar, 0:20:48.119 --> 0:20:50.159 do you reckon? We need to go outside of the 0:20:50.160 --> 0:20:51.960 building for special teams this year? 0:20:52.600 --> 0:20:52.719 Oh? 0:20:52.800 --> 0:20:55.679 Yeah, they and thanks for the call, Nique. They went 0:20:55.720 --> 0:20:59.160 outside the building. They hired Jeremy Springer, but they are 0:20:59.160 --> 0:21:00.840 going to need an assistant, and I think they go 0:21:00.880 --> 0:21:02.520 outside the building for that as well. I don't think 0:21:02.560 --> 0:21:05.679 Cam acquardor Joe Judge is coming back from that. 0:21:05.920 --> 0:21:07.360 Joe Houston's going to Florida. 0:21:07.480 --> 0:21:08.320 Yeah he's gone. 0:21:08.240 --> 0:21:11.719 Yeah, I don't see. I'm with you hundred percent that 0:21:11.880 --> 0:21:14.800 I don't see Cam a Corridor Joe Judge back here 0:21:14.920 --> 0:21:17.959 next year, certainly not as an assistant, right. I mean, 0:21:18.000 --> 0:21:19.640 you're not going to hire either one of those guys 0:21:19.680 --> 0:21:23.240 an assistant Special Teams coach. So they'll have somebody else there. 0:21:23.400 --> 0:21:25.440 I don't know who will be, but they'll have they'll 0:21:25.440 --> 0:21:27.480 have an assistant at least one for sure. 0:21:27.760 --> 0:21:31.680 All Right, we got a couple emails here. Is there 0:21:31.680 --> 0:21:36.000 a possible offensive coordinator rookie quarterback combination that would be 0:21:36.000 --> 0:21:39.280 exciting Evan. If they are going to run the McVeigh 0:21:39.359 --> 0:21:42.760 offense with Nick Hayley, who's the best quarterback fit for that? 0:21:44.160 --> 0:21:46.520 Yeah, I've been saying this whole time that that's Drake May. 0:21:47.160 --> 0:21:49.840 Drake May is the best system fit. I think for 0:21:50.560 --> 0:21:53.879 a lot of these traditional offenses. When I say traditional, 0:21:54.600 --> 0:21:58.520 the McVeigh offense, the Patriots old offense with McDaniels and O'Brien, 0:21:58.920 --> 0:22:02.200 those are not offense is typically where you're talking about 0:22:02.200 --> 0:22:04.840 a lot of off script stuff happening. Like there are 0:22:04.840 --> 0:22:08.480 obviously elements of that in every offense. And I'm not 0:22:08.520 --> 0:22:12.120 saying Stafford brock Purty like Jordan Love. Those guys move 0:22:12.160 --> 0:22:15.920 around and those guys make extended plays. But their offense 0:22:16.040 --> 0:22:19.160 is similar to the old Patriots offense and that one respect, 0:22:19.200 --> 0:22:22.000 and that is that they want quarterbacks that are going 0:22:22.080 --> 0:22:27.199 to throw from the pocket on time, with accuracy and 0:22:27.359 --> 0:22:29.840 set up yards after the catch, like it's a West 0:22:29.880 --> 0:22:32.600 Coast face system. The ball wants. You want the ball out. 0:22:32.640 --> 0:22:35.080 You want it on time, you want it accurately, and 0:22:35.160 --> 0:22:37.159 you want it leading guys down the field to run 0:22:37.240 --> 0:22:41.000 after the catch. So when you look at Caleb Williams, 0:22:41.040 --> 0:22:43.040 who wants to improvise, when you look at a Jayden 0:22:43.119 --> 0:22:46.720 Daniels who wants to throw deep and then also obviously 0:22:46.800 --> 0:22:51.000 uses legs, not great fits, I think Drake May between 0:22:51.080 --> 0:22:53.800 the numbers is probably one of the best quarterbacks over 0:22:53.800 --> 0:22:55.840 the last couple of years at throwing in the middle 0:22:55.840 --> 0:22:58.920 of the field. That's exactly where this offense lives. If 0:22:58.920 --> 0:23:01.800 you look at like the top five or seven quarterbacks 0:23:01.800 --> 0:23:05.640 in the league in terms of inbreaking routes, you know, crossers, 0:23:05.720 --> 0:23:10.880 dig patterns, slants, it's all McVay, Shanahan, Tree type of guys, 0:23:10.960 --> 0:23:15.080 Laflor type of guys. It's Stafford, it's Jordan Love, it's 0:23:15.080 --> 0:23:18.280 Brock Purty, it's to uh C J. Stroud. You know 0:23:18.320 --> 0:23:20.040 that's the way that this offense is run. 0:23:21.000 --> 0:23:23.320 Yeah, and that was Riley with the question, by the way, 0:23:23.400 --> 0:23:25.040 on the email. Thanks to that most the other question 0:23:25.160 --> 0:23:28.520 draft related. So let's get into the Senior Bowl through 0:23:28.520 --> 0:23:30.639 two days of practice. You want to start with the quarterbacks. 0:23:31.280 --> 0:23:32.600 Let's start with the quarterbacks. 0:23:33.160 --> 0:23:35.640 I don't know what I've done. I think I've made 0:23:35.640 --> 0:23:39.000 a mistake. Maybe maybe I should not have exposed you 0:23:39.040 --> 0:23:41.280 to Joe Milton, because. 0:23:41.000 --> 0:23:43.399 I mean the Senior Bowl exposed me big time to 0:23:43.480 --> 0:23:44.080 Joe Milton. 0:23:44.200 --> 0:23:46.879 So I thought you were gonna be annoyed by Joe Milton. 0:23:47.680 --> 0:23:49.920 I did not think you were gonna take Joe Milton seriously. 0:23:50.480 --> 0:23:52.640 I don't know that I take Joe Milton seriously. 0:23:52.840 --> 0:23:54.280 I am taking him seriously. 0:23:54.520 --> 0:23:56.440 What has happened? What if you because to me? And 0:23:56.440 --> 0:23:58.399 and look, I'm trying to follow it on TV. The 0:23:58.480 --> 0:24:01.360 quarterbacks probably easy an other position. I mean, I think 0:24:01.359 --> 0:24:04.920 you've gotten yesterday. You definitely got the Joe Milton experience 0:24:05.040 --> 0:24:09.440 where he pipes a ball over the middle twenty five 0:24:09.520 --> 0:24:11.439 yards on a frozen rope, right into the tight end, 0:24:11.520 --> 0:24:14.800 hits a backflip, and then two plays later there's a 0:24:14.800 --> 0:24:17.159 guy standing stationary ten yards in front of him and 0:24:17.160 --> 0:24:19.600 he throws the ball ten feet over his head. That 0:24:19.760 --> 0:24:22.600 is the full on Joe Milton experience. I know he's 0:24:22.680 --> 0:24:25.919 he's crushed all the numbers in terms of ball velocity, 0:24:26.000 --> 0:24:29.919 spin rate that should be expected. He's breaking all the 0:24:29.920 --> 0:24:32.600 records on the scoreboard. He might break the scoreboard. We 0:24:32.640 --> 0:24:34.359 have to wait and see on that one if they 0:24:34.359 --> 0:24:37.320 ever actually let him throw the ball deep. But I 0:24:37.320 --> 0:24:39.920 don't know. I've more or less seen what I expected 0:24:40.240 --> 0:24:43.399 from Joe Milton, which again interesting. I don't know that 0:24:43.480 --> 0:24:46.440 I'm in on him. I just I find him fascinating. 0:24:46.440 --> 0:24:48.840 He's a fascinating player to me. But you seem to 0:24:48.880 --> 0:24:50.320 be willing to take it a step further. 0:24:51.240 --> 0:24:53.880 Okay, So here it's the same thing that you said 0:24:53.960 --> 0:24:55.960 last week. Like nobody is sitting here saying that the 0:24:56.000 --> 0:24:58.400 Patriots should take Joe Milton with a third overall pick. 0:24:58.520 --> 0:25:00.760 I'm not even saying that the Patriot should Joe Milton 0:25:00.960 --> 0:25:03.840 with the thirty fourth overall pick. But from what I've 0:25:03.840 --> 0:25:06.440 seen this week, you told me, Alex the very very 0:25:06.440 --> 0:25:09.159 first time that we talked about Joe Milton, if you 0:25:09.200 --> 0:25:11.040 need eighty yards to throw in eighty yards, if you 0:25:11.080 --> 0:25:13.199 need five yards to throw in eighty yards, right, the 0:25:13.240 --> 0:25:16.520 guy has a cannon. He has very little control of 0:25:16.560 --> 0:25:19.200 the ball, and he's all gas, no breaks, like, there's 0:25:19.240 --> 0:25:22.640 no touch, there's nothing like that. I actually think over 0:25:22.680 --> 0:25:25.439 the last couple of days, he has made it a 0:25:25.520 --> 0:25:28.520 point to show that he can read the short part 0:25:28.520 --> 0:25:30.720 of the field, and he can throw with some touch 0:25:30.720 --> 0:25:33.720 and some timing on the underneath stuff the short game, 0:25:34.040 --> 0:25:36.439 and he's done a decent job of doing it. You know, 0:25:36.520 --> 0:25:40.679 today I thought he threw probably the best pass of 0:25:40.760 --> 0:25:43.840 the entire day. And it wasn't even like this great 0:25:44.240 --> 0:25:47.920 downfield throw. He just threw a slant to a receiver 0:25:48.400 --> 0:25:51.679 where the post safety's coming down and closing down and 0:25:51.720 --> 0:25:54.760 he throws it like a little back shoulder. Jared Goff 0:25:54.800 --> 0:25:57.840 made the exact same throw in the NFC Championship game 0:25:57.920 --> 0:26:01.479 last weekend that everybody went Google Googaga over right. So 0:26:01.560 --> 0:26:04.520 those types of throws, I just didn't know Joe Milton 0:26:04.600 --> 0:26:06.600 had that in his bag. I knew he could throw 0:26:06.640 --> 0:26:09.080 at eighty yards. I knew he could throw the deep ball. 0:26:09.119 --> 0:26:11.240 I knew he was athletic, I knew he was mobile. 0:26:11.760 --> 0:26:14.679 But the fact that he was showing some ability to 0:26:14.800 --> 0:26:18.040 hit five, you know, a five yard slant, to show 0:26:18.119 --> 0:26:20.679 some ability to find the running back in the flat 0:26:20.760 --> 0:26:23.880 and hit a first down throw into the flat. Those 0:26:23.920 --> 0:26:26.800 types of things were not things that he did consistently 0:26:26.840 --> 0:26:29.280 well in college, and he did them well over the 0:26:29.320 --> 0:26:31.760 last two days. And you add that on top of 0:26:31.760 --> 0:26:34.560 the fact that he's got a bazooka as an arm, 0:26:35.080 --> 0:26:36.680 and now all of a sudden, you see, well, if 0:26:36.680 --> 0:26:39.200 he can be this consistent on the underneath stuff, then 0:26:39.240 --> 0:26:42.600 maybe there's really something there. So the comparison that I 0:26:42.760 --> 0:26:46.440 continue to use for him is day three Anthony Richardson. 0:26:46.520 --> 0:26:49.240 He's not as mobile, he's not as freakish, he's not 0:26:49.320 --> 0:26:53.080 an alien like Anthony Richardson was in the combine, but 0:26:53.240 --> 0:26:57.640 he has got a similar set of skills, a similar 0:26:57.680 --> 0:27:00.359 ball of clay, just maybe had a lesser to And 0:27:00.400 --> 0:27:03.879 if on the Patriots again, you have to him higher 0:27:03.920 --> 0:27:07.000 than the Joe Milton's of the world. So don't nobody 0:27:07.080 --> 0:27:09.240 take this as me saying they're gonna draft Joe Milton 0:27:09.280 --> 0:27:12.480 and all all our problems are fixed. But if they 0:27:12.480 --> 0:27:15.720 are going to let's say double dip, if they are 0:27:15.760 --> 0:27:19.359 going to sign a veteran quarterback and then maybe take 0:27:19.400 --> 0:27:22.560 one in the draft as like a developmental guy as 0:27:22.600 --> 0:27:26.400 a project, then I would much rather take a guy 0:27:26.480 --> 0:27:30.040 like Joe Milton and has some significant upside than take 0:27:30.080 --> 0:27:32.680 a guy like Michael Pratt who's just gonna be another 0:27:32.720 --> 0:27:36.040 Bailey Zappy. Right, So that's the way I look at it, 0:27:36.160 --> 0:27:39.440 he's got a really high ceiling. And those guys are 0:27:39.480 --> 0:27:42.639 I think are fun, they're and are worth developing. Maybe 0:27:42.680 --> 0:27:45.199 you end up finding out down the road that he 0:27:45.240 --> 0:27:47.399 can play and start in the league because of his 0:27:47.480 --> 0:27:49.480 physical school tools. Who knows. 0:27:49.840 --> 0:27:52.040 Yeah, And I mean, look the throw you're talking about 0:27:52.080 --> 0:27:54.119 on the slant. There aren't that many quarterbacks that can 0:27:54.160 --> 0:27:57.160 make that throw because that window. The arm strength comes 0:27:57.160 --> 0:28:00.399 in there too. It's not you know, throw it, you 0:28:00.440 --> 0:28:02.240 need it five yards, third, eighty yards. It's kind of 0:28:02.280 --> 0:28:05.560 a hyperbole. He his arm strength is also impressive in 0:28:05.600 --> 0:28:08.520 the sense that there are some windows that most quarterbacks 0:28:08.560 --> 0:28:13.320 won't even touch that he can flirt with because I 0:28:13.320 --> 0:28:15.800 think they had his ball velossy like seventy six miles 0:28:15.800 --> 0:28:16.400 an hour. 0:28:17.000 --> 0:28:20.360 Right, that's so intriguing, Which is it when you watch 0:28:20.440 --> 0:28:22.520 these two Sorry to off, but like when you watch 0:28:22.560 --> 0:28:25.800 these two quarterbacks for the Patriots all year last year, 0:28:26.119 --> 0:28:29.280 Like we are just so programmed to watching quarterbacks that 0:28:29.320 --> 0:28:30.280 have no arm talent. 0:28:31.119 --> 0:28:33.639 No, but this is different. This isn't. This isn't going 0:28:33.680 --> 0:28:37.720 from a lack of ball velocity to the ball velocities 0:28:37.760 --> 0:28:40.160 normal and it looks fast. Seventy six miles an hour 0:28:40.960 --> 0:28:45.080 on a football. That's some I'll pull the numbers up here. 0:28:45.120 --> 0:28:46.720 I think that would be would make him one of 0:28:46.760 --> 0:28:49.280 the five hardest throwing quarterbacks in the league. I know 0:28:49.320 --> 0:28:52.880 Mahomes like touches eighty occasionally. If he really gets in 0:28:53.000 --> 0:28:58.360 when he touches eighty, it's it's it's different. There's windows 0:28:58.400 --> 0:29:01.440 available to him that are not available to other quarterbacks. Now, 0:29:01.440 --> 0:29:03.000 the flip side of that, and you say he's been 0:29:03.000 --> 0:29:06.320 good about it this week, is he has no problem 0:29:06.400 --> 0:29:10.480 testing those windows and that it's a dangerous game because 0:29:10.520 --> 0:29:12.920 it is still tight even if he can get it in. 0:29:13.000 --> 0:29:16.680 Sometimes they're not windows. He's going to be able to 0:29:16.680 --> 0:29:18.440 test consistently. In the NFL. 0:29:18.520 --> 0:29:22.120 He has been the most poised quarterback down here, which 0:29:22.160 --> 0:29:25.160 I think is absolutely shocking when you look at a 0:29:25.200 --> 0:29:28.520 guy like Pennix, a guy like Bo Nicks, even somebody 0:29:28.560 --> 0:29:32.000 like Spencer Rattler, all but mostly those first two who 0:29:32.040 --> 0:29:35.360 have had so much success in college, that have Heisman 0:29:35.440 --> 0:29:39.640 Trophy finalist on their resume, national Championship game appearance on 0:29:39.720 --> 0:29:43.120 their resume. The fact that Joe Milton has been the 0:29:43.240 --> 0:29:47.520 coolest guy on the field. You mentioned the backflip so 0:29:47.560 --> 0:29:50.680 he doesn't. Yesterday he does a backflip. Today he threw 0:29:50.680 --> 0:29:53.200 a ball into the flat and kind of like, you know, 0:29:53.560 --> 0:29:56.720 did like a basketball, like you know, nailed it, type 0:29:56.720 --> 0:30:00.120 of like shot motion. It doesn't matter at the and 0:30:00.240 --> 0:30:03.280 a grand scheme of things, but I just kind of 0:30:03.360 --> 0:30:04.120 like the swagger. 0:30:05.080 --> 0:30:08.160 I just kind of like he he that's a guy 0:30:08.160 --> 0:30:12.160 that loves putting on a show, and there is there 0:30:12.200 --> 0:30:14.520 is something to be said for that. So I'm trying 0:30:14.520 --> 0:30:18.120 to find the numbers here and I can't find from 0:30:18.160 --> 0:30:22.680 this regular season, but the draft last year CJ. Stroud 0:30:22.680 --> 0:30:26.720 and Anthony Richardson topped off at sixty two miles an hour. 0:30:27.520 --> 0:30:30.560 Patrick Mahomes they have is over sixty miles an hour. 0:30:30.720 --> 0:30:33.840 So say Josh Allen's at sixty two, and it says 0:30:33.880 --> 0:30:36.040 that Mahomes was a little fast in him, so maybe 0:30:36.080 --> 0:30:40.640 it's sixty two in a decimal. Joe Milton again seventy 0:30:40.800 --> 0:30:41.960 six miles an hour. 0:30:43.200 --> 0:30:47.200 Yeah, it just you look at this just the field. 0:30:47.240 --> 0:30:51.240 The difference between what the Patriots have now where we 0:30:51.320 --> 0:30:54.160 all are clamoring for is somebody that just has the 0:30:54.240 --> 0:30:59.800 physical tools and the addability, mobility, arm talent, and then 0:30:59.840 --> 0:31:02.080 just it's a little bit of swagger. It's just it's 0:31:02.120 --> 0:31:05.040 it was a much different feel. And you mentioned how 0:31:05.840 --> 0:31:08.640 his ability to drive the ball allows him to access 0:31:08.680 --> 0:31:11.840 some windows that other quarterbacks can't access. And I feel 0:31:11.840 --> 0:31:15.200 like over the last couple of years, the you know, 0:31:15.280 --> 0:31:17.680 ten to twenty yard range in the middle of the field, 0:31:17.760 --> 0:31:20.160 or even like the fifteen to twenty five in the NFL, 0:31:20.600 --> 0:31:23.040 where you have to fit the deep dig in, you 0:31:23.080 --> 0:31:25.120 have to fit the seam, you have to fit these 0:31:25.200 --> 0:31:28.480 throws into these tight windows. The quarterbacks that they currently 0:31:28.480 --> 0:31:31.360 have on the roster just don't have the velocity to 0:31:31.400 --> 0:31:34.080 be able to do that. They can't drive a ball 0:31:34.680 --> 0:31:37.880 twenty twenty five yards down the field into a closing 0:31:38.000 --> 0:31:42.480 NFL sized window, and this guy can. So I'm intrigued. 0:31:42.680 --> 0:31:44.880 I don't know what to call it. I'm just intrigued. 0:31:45.320 --> 0:31:48.240 I know intrigued. Intrigued is different than in And yeah, 0:31:48.280 --> 0:31:50.120 so the record for the combine, and we'll see what 0:31:50.160 --> 0:31:51.959 Milton does at the combine. The record for the combine 0:31:52.000 --> 0:31:55.040 sixty two miles an hour. Joe Milton's seventy six point 0:31:55.040 --> 0:31:58.760 four miles an hour initial air speed, So maybe that's 0:31:58.760 --> 0:32:01.920 a different measurement, but yeah, all right, moving off a 0:32:02.000 --> 0:32:06.200 Joe Milton. We'll get to Penix and Knicks last. But 0:32:06.320 --> 0:32:09.480 you mentioned Michael Pratt hasn't really impressed you. I know 0:32:09.520 --> 0:32:11.560 you said you've been impressed with Spencer Rattler. 0:32:12.200 --> 0:32:15.880 A little bit. Yeah. Spencer Rattler I think has probably 0:32:15.920 --> 0:32:20.080 been the the in terms of getting through the reads, 0:32:20.440 --> 0:32:23.960 throwing on time, throwing in rhythm. He's been the most 0:32:24.000 --> 0:32:27.320 comfortable in that respect, I would say, in these two practices, 0:32:27.360 --> 0:32:30.240 and he's controlled the ball pretty well. He basically has 0:32:30.520 --> 0:32:34.040 one glaring mistake in two days. There's a bad interception 0:32:34.160 --> 0:32:36.880 towards the end of practice yesterday where he was throwing 0:32:36.960 --> 0:32:39.280 a crosser from the three by one side and he 0:32:39.400 --> 0:32:42.320 just lost the backside corner who had zone eyes and 0:32:42.360 --> 0:32:45.080 just read it and jumped the crosser from the backside. 0:32:45.600 --> 0:32:48.280 But in general, I think he's thrown with good accuracy. 0:32:48.360 --> 0:32:52.080 I think he's latered some good throws, especially like whole shots, 0:32:52.120 --> 0:32:55.160 corner rats, things like that into cover two voids. And 0:32:55.200 --> 0:32:57.520 he's done a really nice job of you know, getting 0:32:57.520 --> 0:32:59.959 off one, getting to two, getting to three in the progress, 0:33:00.280 --> 0:33:02.160 which was something in college that I don't think he 0:33:02.960 --> 0:33:05.680 did particularly well. He was somebody that did tend to 0:33:05.720 --> 0:33:09.240 hold the football a little bit and struggle with processing speed, 0:33:10.080 --> 0:33:12.720 so he's looked comfortable. I think the one thing that 0:33:12.720 --> 0:33:16.040 that is a shame almost with him is that he's 0:33:16.080 --> 0:33:19.000 only six feet tall. And I'm just I mean. 0:33:19.480 --> 0:33:21.880 He doesn't even look he looks small, and I don't 0:33:21.920 --> 0:33:23.720 know why he didn't look as small playing in college. 0:33:23.720 --> 0:33:25.720 I don't know if it's the jersey or whatever. He 0:33:25.800 --> 0:33:26.880 looks small. 0:33:27.880 --> 0:33:30.400 Yeah. I don't know about you, Alex, but I'm I'm 0:33:30.480 --> 0:33:33.600 just out on quarterbacks that are under six foot two. 0:33:33.920 --> 0:33:36.800 I just I have no time for it. I'm sorry. 0:33:37.080 --> 0:33:40.120 I maybe that tight tightest, I don't know what to 0:33:40.160 --> 0:33:44.280 call it, but I just give me Joe Milton over 0:33:44.320 --> 0:33:46.920 Spencer Ratler all day, every day, simply just because the 0:33:46.960 --> 0:33:50.560 guy has got the size and the talent and all 0:33:50.560 --> 0:33:53.920 that stuff to maybe develop into an NFL starter. But 0:33:54.000 --> 0:33:57.560 I have been intrigued by Spencer Rattler as well, just 0:33:58.040 --> 0:34:02.479 another one of those worth round double dip you know, 0:34:03.520 --> 0:34:06.080 upside type of potential guys. He's spun the ball pretty 0:34:06.080 --> 0:34:08.400 well here this week, and like I said, he's made 0:34:08.440 --> 0:34:12.040 some nice throws pretty much all over the field and 0:34:12.160 --> 0:34:15.880 really hasn't made a ton of clearing mistakes. So it's 0:34:16.320 --> 0:34:17.680 I don't know if it's a good thing or a 0:34:17.719 --> 0:34:21.160 bad thing that Spencer Rattler and Joe Milton have probably 0:34:21.160 --> 0:34:23.680 been the two best quarterbacks and mobile through the first 0:34:23.719 --> 0:34:26.560 two days. But that's just the reality, which I guess 0:34:26.560 --> 0:34:28.360 we can get to. You know what that means for 0:34:28.440 --> 0:34:29.400 Penix and bon Nicks. 0:34:29.880 --> 0:34:34.480 Yeah, I think Pennix has been fine. I don't know 0:34:34.520 --> 0:34:36.880 that he's been good or bad. I think he's been 0:34:36.920 --> 0:34:39.400 more or less you expect. Again, the big thing for 0:34:39.520 --> 0:34:44.880 him is handling pressure, which is something he's just not 0:34:44.920 --> 0:34:46.880 dealing with. You're not dealing with in a setting like this. 0:34:48.360 --> 0:34:49.720 Bonnicks had a rough day today. 0:34:50.400 --> 0:34:52.040 Yeah, bo Nicks has been rough. 0:34:52.200 --> 0:34:54.240 Yeah, he dropped a snap, He had a couple of misses. 0:34:54.239 --> 0:34:55.879 He also had one I don't know if you could 0:34:55.880 --> 0:34:58.440 tell this live, but on TV they kind of had 0:34:58.480 --> 0:35:00.160 him miked up and he was having a lot of 0:35:00.160 --> 0:35:03.759 trouble relaying the plays with the because in college you 0:35:03.760 --> 0:35:05.560 don't have the plays called into the headset. You get 0:35:05.800 --> 0:35:09.200 a hand signal from the sideline and that translates. He 0:35:09.320 --> 0:35:11.160 kind of struggled with that one a little bit. So 0:35:12.320 --> 0:35:14.319 I came into the week saying, you know, I don't 0:35:14.320 --> 0:35:16.560 know how much bo Nix has to win or lose 0:35:17.080 --> 0:35:19.080 sixty one start to you more or less know who 0:35:19.080 --> 0:35:22.640 he is. It hasn't been a great week for him, though. 0:35:23.200 --> 0:35:25.200 No, it hasn't. I agree with you one hundred percent 0:35:25.239 --> 0:35:28.080 on Penis. I think that he's been fine. I don't 0:35:28.120 --> 0:35:30.560 think that he's hurt his stock. I don't think he's 0:35:30.600 --> 0:35:32.560 helped his stock. I think he's made a couple of 0:35:32.560 --> 0:35:36.000 good throws. I don't think he's made any real glaring errors, No, 0:35:36.160 --> 0:35:39.480 like terrible turnovers or anything like that. The one thing 0:35:39.480 --> 0:35:42.000 I would say with Penix just I was looking forward 0:35:42.080 --> 0:35:46.280 to watching him live and seeing how much his arm, talent, 0:35:46.400 --> 0:35:49.400 and his velocity and all that kind of stuff look live. 0:35:49.480 --> 0:35:54.160 I haven't been dazzled by the ball velo or anything 0:35:54.280 --> 0:35:57.400 like that. But again, I agree with you that I 0:35:57.440 --> 0:36:00.000 think he's been right down the middle, and he'll probably 0:36:00.120 --> 0:36:02.959 come away from this week with everybody in the same 0:36:03.040 --> 0:36:06.360 exact thing they thought about him before they came into 0:36:06.400 --> 0:36:09.120 the Senior Bowl, which is, if he clears out medically, 0:36:09.320 --> 0:36:12.239 he's probably a top fifty pick. If he doesn't, then 0:36:12.280 --> 0:36:14.319 who knows how far he's gonna fall down, but it's 0:36:14.360 --> 0:36:16.799 gonna because of the medical stuff, not anything to do 0:36:16.880 --> 0:36:21.920 with his play with Nicks. He's been bad. I mean, 0:36:22.000 --> 0:36:25.400 like he's just been downright bad. I think the biggest 0:36:25.440 --> 0:36:31.800 concern with him is not necessarily timing and processing decision making. 0:36:32.239 --> 0:36:35.160 His ball accuracy has just been all over the place, 0:36:35.320 --> 0:36:38.080 Like he just hasn't made throw an accurate passes. 0:36:38.080 --> 0:36:40.360 And that's supposed to be his carrying trait is supposed 0:36:40.400 --> 0:36:41.920 to be a short intermediate accuracy. 0:36:42.120 --> 0:36:45.600 Yeah, and that's exactly And like I saw when I 0:36:45.600 --> 0:36:48.520 watched him on film, like some of the deep ball accuracy, 0:36:48.920 --> 0:36:51.040 his deep ball is not perfect. He puts air under it, 0:36:51.080 --> 0:36:53.759 so guys like Troy Franklin could like run under it 0:36:53.800 --> 0:36:56.319 and stuff like that. But he's not like a pinpoint 0:36:56.400 --> 0:36:59.520 deep ball guy like Pennix's. But he was really good 0:36:59.520 --> 0:37:01.960 in the short and intermediate areas, and those are the 0:37:02.000 --> 0:37:04.360 places where he struggled the most. Here is in that 0:37:04.920 --> 0:37:09.040 inside the twenty yard range. Let's call it Day one. He's, 0:37:09.080 --> 0:37:12.279 you know, got on a bootleg action Tess Walker is 0:37:12.280 --> 0:37:14.040 crossing over the middle of the field. He's got him 0:37:14.040 --> 0:37:16.440 wide open, and he misses him by like five yards. 0:37:16.880 --> 0:37:20.440 He missed a skinny post this today where he just 0:37:20.719 --> 0:37:23.719 the guy's just wide open in a middlefield, open coverage, 0:37:23.760 --> 0:37:27.080 just splitting the safeties and he just throws it behind him. 0:37:27.200 --> 0:37:29.839 Like those types of misses, you just you wonder if 0:37:29.880 --> 0:37:34.000 you just chalk it up to Senior Bowl anomally, I 0:37:34.040 --> 0:37:36.759 think that's basically what this is all about, is confirming 0:37:36.840 --> 0:37:39.960 or not confirming your priors. But it's definitely something that 0:37:40.000 --> 0:37:42.439 you have to think about it now and maybe even 0:37:42.480 --> 0:37:45.040 go back and revisit some of his game film and say, 0:37:45.880 --> 0:37:48.799 is he just did I miss this the first time 0:37:48.840 --> 0:37:52.319 around that he's not very good at throwing let's say 0:37:52.320 --> 0:37:55.680 from like the five to fifteen yard range, or is 0:37:55.719 --> 0:37:58.040 that something that was he just had a bad week. 0:37:58.120 --> 0:38:01.279 You know, there's two practices. You're not really familiar with 0:38:01.320 --> 0:38:04.399 the receivers, you're not familiar with the offense. So maybe 0:38:04.440 --> 0:38:06.920 it's just a bad week, you know, who knows. But 0:38:07.239 --> 0:38:09.600 it has been a big, big struggle for him with 0:38:09.719 --> 0:38:12.280 his accurs He's been all over the place in terms 0:38:12.280 --> 0:38:15.600 of his ball placement, and that that's a big thing 0:38:16.040 --> 0:38:20.279 because in college not Oregon offense, and the same thing 0:38:20.320 --> 0:38:23.000 with Justin Herbert, it was all screens, and it was 0:38:23.040 --> 0:38:25.560 all vertical routes, right, Like, that's the Oregon offense. It's 0:38:25.560 --> 0:38:27.680 either you're throwing the ball out the line of scrimmage 0:38:27.920 --> 0:38:30.920 or you're throwing vertical shots. But in the NFL, the 0:38:32.040 --> 0:38:35.600 intermediate stuff is where like ninety percent of quarterbacks make 0:38:35.640 --> 0:38:39.040 their money, right, that's right. That's such a much bigger 0:38:39.160 --> 0:38:41.440 area of emphasis in the league than it is in 0:38:41.480 --> 0:38:44.640 college because in college it's these air raid, wide open 0:38:44.719 --> 0:38:47.640 schemes and they're just chucking and ducking. In the NFL, 0:38:47.840 --> 0:38:52.880 it's that's in structure. Play is short and intermediate, Like 0:38:52.960 --> 0:38:56.280 that's how you really move the ball in the NFL. 0:38:56.400 --> 0:38:58.760 So if that's a part of his game that maybe 0:38:58.880 --> 0:39:01.279 we just didn't see a ton of volume in that 0:39:01.440 --> 0:39:03.440 in college, and now that he's putting in an NFL 0:39:03.520 --> 0:39:06.319 offense in the Senior Bowl, it's coming out more and 0:39:06.360 --> 0:39:09.080 more that he can't hit those throws. That really hurts 0:39:09.120 --> 0:39:11.000 him in terms of his ability to be a starter 0:39:11.080 --> 0:39:11.520 in the league. 0:39:11.600 --> 0:39:14.160 Yeah, and look, I don't think he's gonna fall behind 0:39:14.280 --> 0:39:17.960 JJ McCarthy or Michael Pratt or Joe Milton. But when 0:39:17.960 --> 0:39:20.320 you're talking about is he worth a first round investment. 0:39:21.200 --> 0:39:23.480 That was I think the question he had an answer 0:39:23.520 --> 0:39:26.239 this week. And you know he's back in the state 0:39:26.239 --> 0:39:28.359 of Alabama. He's looking a lot more like Auburn bo 0:39:28.480 --> 0:39:31.800 Nicks than he is Oregon Bonnicks. Real quick, you touched 0:39:31.840 --> 0:39:34.279 on Pratt. You haven't loved him. I haven't either. He 0:39:34.320 --> 0:39:37.440 just looks overwhelmed, and I think the biggest thing with 0:39:37.520 --> 0:39:40.399 him was experienced, kind of like Nicks, where he's kind 0:39:40.400 --> 0:39:42.359 of your day two or day three bow Knicks however 0:39:42.360 --> 0:39:44.960 you want. He's the next tier version of bow Knicks, 0:39:44.960 --> 0:39:47.560 where he's a guy that is good from the pocket, 0:39:47.640 --> 0:39:51.040 is an accurate passer, is like a little athletic, but 0:39:51.600 --> 0:39:55.000 you're not gonna build a run package around him. He's 0:39:55.040 --> 0:39:57.799 not a guy that's gonna overly test the deep part 0:39:57.840 --> 0:40:00.320 of the field or tight windows or anything. He's just 0:40:00.360 --> 0:40:02.640 supposed to be consistent kind of quarterback you can set 0:40:02.640 --> 0:40:06.040 your watch too, and we haven't seen that from him. 0:40:06.239 --> 0:40:10.000 Yeah, I would agree with that. He's he's been overwhelmed 0:40:10.080 --> 0:40:12.640 would be the word I would use. He's thrown it 0:40:12.800 --> 0:40:16.600 some some balls into some team meetings. A couple guys 0:40:16.640 --> 0:40:19.880 have gotten hands on passes from him, and it hasn't 0:40:19.920 --> 0:40:23.400 looked overly consistent. I did think today in seven on 0:40:23.520 --> 0:40:25.839 seven he started to open it up a little bit more. 0:40:26.080 --> 0:40:28.239 That's one thing that I've been a little disappointed with 0:40:28.280 --> 0:40:32.080 all the quarterbacks, honestly, is when you get into seven 0:40:32.120 --> 0:40:34.400 on seven, can we not throw check downs in seven 0:40:34.440 --> 0:40:36.520 on seven? Like let's like, let's see you push the 0:40:36.520 --> 0:40:38.640 ball down the field a little bit. I thought that 0:40:38.680 --> 0:40:40.880 Pratt made a couple of downfield throws in seven. The 0:40:40.920 --> 0:40:42.840 one he missed on a go ball. You overthrew it 0:40:42.920 --> 0:40:45.160 just a little bit. But the only guy that has 0:40:45.239 --> 0:40:49.839 consistently made it a point to really try to push 0:40:49.840 --> 0:40:52.880 the ball down the field consistently is Rattler, and. 0:40:53.040 --> 0:40:56.000 You know that's how he plays. I think Milton is 0:40:56.160 --> 0:40:58.279 probably trying to prove some things and that's why he's 0:40:58.320 --> 0:41:03.280 not doing it. Spencer Rattler has never seen a deep 0:41:03.320 --> 0:41:05.319 an open deep receiver. He didn't think he could get 0:41:05.320 --> 0:41:07.520 the ball to and most of the time he can't. 0:41:07.600 --> 0:41:10.000 But that's just kind of the way. That's his whole 0:41:10.040 --> 0:41:12.759 mentality is he's a he's a big play hunter. That's 0:41:12.840 --> 0:41:16.680 that's what he does. Yeah, I just un Ratler real quick. 0:41:16.680 --> 0:41:19.200 I'm curious how he's interviewing because that's gonna be a 0:41:19.200 --> 0:41:21.520 big thing for him. There were some questions about his 0:41:21.600 --> 0:41:24.480 attitude coming out of high school, and uh, the stuff 0:41:24.520 --> 0:41:26.160 that we're not going to see I think is bigger 0:41:26.160 --> 0:41:27.920 for him this week than what he does on the field. 0:41:28.280 --> 0:41:31.600 Any So much of Spencer, really quick, so much of 0:41:31.600 --> 0:41:34.279 Spencer Rattler that you tell me about because you know 0:41:34.360 --> 0:41:36.880 so much more about these guys, like in that respect, 0:41:37.560 --> 0:41:40.720 is so much of it. It reminds me of Jared Stidham. 0:41:41.239 --> 0:41:42.839 I just don't think that that's a good thing. 0:41:42.960 --> 0:41:47.520 I don't. I don't know that's an interesting comp I 0:41:48.320 --> 0:41:51.720 politically has the talent, but does he have the drive? 0:41:51.880 --> 0:41:52.080 Right? 0:41:52.120 --> 0:41:54.040 Like that's the that's what you know. I don't. 0:41:54.400 --> 0:41:57.160 I don't think the problem is that Rattler doesn't have 0:41:57.160 --> 0:42:01.240 the drive. I think he enjoys football. To me, it's more. 0:42:01.480 --> 0:42:04.000 I mean, you go back and you watch the Elite 0:42:04.000 --> 0:42:06.080 eleven documentary when he was in and look, it's when 0:42:06.080 --> 0:42:08.080 he was in high school. It was five six years ago, 0:42:08.320 --> 0:42:11.640 Like has he grown up? It's very possible, but there's 0:42:11.719 --> 0:42:13.960 some questions about what kind of teammate it is he 0:42:14.120 --> 0:42:18.000 is and how guys rally around him, and does he 0:42:18.040 --> 0:42:21.040 alienate guys, does he rub guys the wrong way? That 0:42:21.320 --> 0:42:24.400 sort of thing. I don't think like he definitely cares 0:42:24.440 --> 0:42:27.000 about football. I wouldn't say he's a guy that doesn't 0:42:27.000 --> 0:42:29.279 care about football. He's not I used to use with 0:42:29.280 --> 0:42:31.279 Stidham the he does. I don't think he has the 0:42:31.280 --> 0:42:35.760 Alex Moran thing right, but it's there's just some questions 0:42:35.800 --> 0:42:38.920 about does he rub people the wrong way, how is 0:42:38.960 --> 0:42:40.600 he in the locker room? Things like that, And again 0:42:40.640 --> 0:42:44.640 we won't see that he's just so and he's very small. 0:42:44.760 --> 0:42:50.080 He's very small. There's some like the negative elements of 0:42:50.160 --> 0:42:53.120 Baker's evaluation, Baker Mayfield's evaluation. I think you see a 0:42:53.120 --> 0:42:56.200 lot of Spencer Ratler, another Oklahoma guy by the way, 0:42:56.960 --> 0:42:58.960 just real quick, I thought Carter Bradley had the throw 0:42:59.000 --> 0:43:02.799 of the day today, that deep out he threw it 0:43:02.840 --> 0:43:05.200 on the move. That was pretty much it for him 0:43:05.200 --> 0:43:07.120 and Sam Hartman in terms of notable moments. I think 0:43:07.120 --> 0:43:09.880 it's funny Sam Hartman shaved his beard to look younger 0:43:09.880 --> 0:43:11.680 because he doesn't want scouts to think he's old, because 0:43:11.719 --> 0:43:14.160 he looked like thirty five when he had that beard, 0:43:14.200 --> 0:43:17.320 and he's like twenty six, twenty seven years old or anyway, 0:43:17.400 --> 0:43:19.360 But any thoughts on Hartman or Bradley. 0:43:20.560 --> 0:43:24.520 Bradley's not bad, but he's an NFL backup, you know, 0:43:24.760 --> 0:43:27.160 he's I don't see him as anything more than that. 0:43:27.920 --> 0:43:31.279 But he's made some really good reads, I would say, 0:43:31.320 --> 0:43:34.040 in these practices. Like you mentioned the the out round 0:43:34.040 --> 0:43:36.439 of the corner route that he threw today. It wasn't 0:43:36.480 --> 0:43:39.080 the best most accurate pass in the world, No, it 0:43:39.120 --> 0:43:41.239 made the receiver had to go to the ground to 0:43:41.280 --> 0:43:43.719 make the catch, but it was the right raid on 0:43:43.800 --> 0:43:45.440 the plane. I'll give him credit for that. I think 0:43:45.480 --> 0:43:47.520 he's done a nice job of reading the field here 0:43:47.560 --> 0:43:51.160 this week. I have no thoughts on the Notre Dame cornerback. 0:43:51.200 --> 0:43:52.680 We can move on from that. 0:43:52.719 --> 0:43:54.439 All right, Let's suck because we got a couple of calls. 0:43:54.440 --> 0:43:56.040 We were talking about the quarterbacks. So let's take these 0:43:56.080 --> 0:43:58.000 calls and then we'll get to the other positions here. 0:43:58.480 --> 0:44:02.719 Let's go to make in Virginia. I gotta remember how 0:44:02.719 --> 0:44:08.200 to take this call. Jake, Do we got youa what 0:44:08.280 --> 0:44:09.440 do I hit? I hit? Answer? 0:44:10.520 --> 0:44:14.040 You hit the Was it like green? Right now? 0:44:14.080 --> 0:44:17.800 I click it again? All right? Jake and Virginia, we 0:44:17.880 --> 0:44:21.319 got you. Yeah, there we are right figured it out, Jake, How. 0:44:21.320 --> 0:44:23.000 We do good? 0:44:23.120 --> 0:44:23.359 Good? 0:44:23.480 --> 0:44:28.120 A couple questions for you guys. If we assuming we 0:44:28.239 --> 0:44:31.919 take quarterback first, I guess it was our third overall pick. 0:44:32.520 --> 0:44:35.160 What do you think of some names like the tackle 0:44:35.239 --> 0:44:40.280 from Byu and maybe like Joe and polk Er Xavier Legett, 0:44:41.360 --> 0:44:42.960 like in the do you think those guys would be 0:44:42.960 --> 0:44:44.719 available in the third round? And do you think they'd 0:44:44.760 --> 0:44:45.480 be scheme fits? 0:44:46.200 --> 0:44:49.400 All right, let's let's touch on the get and we 0:44:49.400 --> 0:44:52.200 can use that transition to the wide receivers here for 0:44:52.239 --> 0:44:54.960 the There's gonna be options. I don't know about those 0:44:55.000 --> 0:44:58.480 specific players. There's gonna be options at thirty four, at 0:44:58.560 --> 0:45:01.040 sixty eight. I think there's some eyes you look at. 0:45:01.400 --> 0:45:03.160 Do you move up from thirty four on the back 0:45:03.200 --> 0:45:07.520 end of the first round? A guy like Talisa Fuanga 0:45:07.600 --> 0:45:10.160 if he falls, would be a guy that he forgets 0:45:10.160 --> 0:45:12.240 say it the mid twenties. Do you move up for him? 0:45:12.640 --> 0:45:14.360 Patrick Paul? Do you move up for a guy like 0:45:14.400 --> 0:45:16.319 that in the mid twenties? But I just said we 0:45:16.360 --> 0:45:17.840 were gonna do receivers, and then I dipped in the 0:45:17.840 --> 0:45:21.080 tackles receivers. Xavier le get did not have a good 0:45:21.120 --> 0:45:23.919 day yesterday. I don't know what was up with him, 0:45:24.239 --> 0:45:28.760 Like he's open, but he's still like putting on moves 0:45:28.920 --> 0:45:30.520 on air. I don't know if he wanted to show 0:45:30.560 --> 0:45:33.080 coaches that he had that in his bag, whatever that was. 0:45:33.480 --> 0:45:35.680 But I thought today you saw much more of the 0:45:35.760 --> 0:45:38.799 kind of dominant catch point receiver you were hoping to 0:45:38.800 --> 0:45:39.719 see from him this week. 0:45:40.680 --> 0:45:42.840 Yeah, he's not my cup of tea, you know that 0:45:43.640 --> 0:45:47.239 I want. I would much rather take the Roman Wilson's, 0:45:47.280 --> 0:45:50.680 the lad Mcconkeye's, the pure solos of the world, Ricky 0:45:50.680 --> 0:45:53.960 piersof from Florida. Like those guys run rouse, those guys 0:45:54.040 --> 0:45:57.000 know how to get open. Those guys are quick, they're heady. 0:45:57.120 --> 0:46:01.800 They're guys that are nuanced with their movement. Xavier Legett 0:46:02.080 --> 0:46:05.880 is a bully receiver that is pretty good at the catchpoint. Now, 0:46:06.080 --> 0:46:09.160 I'll give him this, These practices are not for Xavier 0:46:09.200 --> 0:46:12.279 leget Like Xavier Lagette. I assume he's gonna play in 0:46:12.280 --> 0:46:15.920 the game on Saturday, and those are the opportunities that 0:46:15.960 --> 0:46:18.680 he's gonna get to catch and run with the football 0:46:18.800 --> 0:46:20.880 to win it. The catchpoints down the field and just 0:46:21.000 --> 0:46:25.440 bully guys with his physicality, He's not gonna impress anybody 0:46:25.480 --> 0:46:27.800 in one on ones, Like that's just not his game. 0:46:28.480 --> 0:46:33.080 But what I saw from him, I feel pretty strongly 0:46:33.160 --> 0:46:36.000 that I think in such a deep wide receiver class, 0:46:36.200 --> 0:46:38.640 it's just not my cup of tea. Like there's so 0:46:38.680 --> 0:46:41.200 many other options at that point in the draft that 0:46:41.239 --> 0:46:43.880 I just don't see the need for it. I texted 0:46:43.920 --> 0:46:47.840 you this comp, and I feel pretty good about Leaviscus 0:46:47.920 --> 0:46:51.520 Chnault as a comp for him. Is he gonna be 0:46:51.520 --> 0:46:52.400 able to run routes? 0:46:52.440 --> 0:46:52.520 Like? 0:46:52.600 --> 0:46:54.400 Is he gonna be able to get open in more 0:46:54.840 --> 0:46:57.600 than a couple of different ways? Is he beyond a 0:46:57.640 --> 0:47:00.839 scheme touch guy? And he's also only came in at 0:47:00.880 --> 0:47:03.319 like six' one or like I think he actually was 0:47:03.360 --> 0:47:06.960 like six feet in in a quarter or something like that, 0:47:07.480 --> 0:47:09.839 So he's not overly tall. Like it's not like we're 0:47:09.920 --> 0:47:11.680 you know, we're talking about like a six four or 0:47:11.760 --> 0:47:16.160 six to three receiver. I just it's not not my brand. Now, 0:47:16.200 --> 0:47:18.600 if you want to tell me that he's like discount 0:47:18.600 --> 0:47:22.440 Deebo Samuel, then like maybe you could like make that argument. 0:47:22.440 --> 0:47:27.200 Because he is explosive. He is a huge, huge guy, 0:47:27.280 --> 0:47:29.520 Like he looks like a running back, big running back 0:47:29.600 --> 0:47:33.640 linebacker type, but he just doesn't run very routes very 0:47:33.640 --> 0:47:34.239 well at all. 0:47:34.960 --> 0:47:37.480 And then the other ex receiver who there were a 0:47:37.520 --> 0:47:39.439 couple of these like true X guys you were looking 0:47:39.440 --> 0:47:42.080 at coming into the week, could they have big weeks? 0:47:42.880 --> 0:47:47.520 Was sorry? Was tes Walker, who, Yeah, I think had 0:47:47.520 --> 0:47:48.440 another rough day to day. 0:47:48.520 --> 0:47:52.880 Right overall, I thought he was better in one on ones, 0:47:53.360 --> 0:47:56.360 had a couple of good reps, but I think the 0:47:56.400 --> 0:47:59.480 biggest issue with him, oh, I guess two issues, But 0:47:59.760 --> 0:48:03.120 the real biggest issue is he's had a ton of drops. 0:48:03.320 --> 0:48:05.960 Like he's been dropping passes left and right. I think 0:48:06.360 --> 0:48:08.760 I had him down for three or four drops today 0:48:09.280 --> 0:48:12.120 between you know, one on ones and team drills, Like, 0:48:12.160 --> 0:48:15.680 what's up with that? Because he has pretty good body control. 0:48:15.719 --> 0:48:18.560 I think he's got a pretty good catch radius for 0:48:18.640 --> 0:48:22.600 an outside guy, but he's really struggled this week with drops. 0:48:22.640 --> 0:48:25.080 And I think he had three this year at UNC, 0:48:25.160 --> 0:48:27.319 which isn't a ton, but the year before that he 0:48:27.360 --> 0:48:30.000 had seven, which might have been a little bit more 0:48:30.000 --> 0:48:32.839 indicative of what we've seen. That was a weird thing 0:48:32.840 --> 0:48:35.400 that I wasn't expecting to see from him. And he 0:48:35.440 --> 0:48:38.480 hasn't created a ton of separation either on a lot 0:48:38.520 --> 0:48:40.719 of his routes, so he's been wearing coverage a little bit. 0:48:40.760 --> 0:48:43.120 He's been struggling with drops. It's not been a good 0:48:43.160 --> 0:48:43.759 week for him. 0:48:43.800 --> 0:48:45.640 So let me ask you this then at the X position, 0:48:45.760 --> 0:48:48.640 and this guy may be more busy, but I feel 0:48:48.640 --> 0:48:51.319 like he's shown X skills and he had a much 0:48:51.320 --> 0:48:55.319 better day today. Ricky Piersoll seems to be the guy 0:48:55.360 --> 0:48:57.520 that if you're looking for that like six foot plus 0:48:58.280 --> 0:49:01.560 catch point winning dominant WIE receiver, I think Ricky Piersall 0:49:01.600 --> 0:49:04.880 has probably been the best of those receivers this week. 0:49:05.960 --> 0:49:08.719 I really like Ricky Piersall. I think he's quick too, 0:49:08.760 --> 0:49:10.160 like I think you're gonna get in and out of 0:49:10.200 --> 0:49:12.799 breaks and run routes. He ran a really nice whip 0:49:12.920 --> 0:49:15.360 route from the slot and or maybe it was like 0:49:15.400 --> 0:49:18.480 a condensed split today. I think he's got a little 0:49:18.480 --> 0:49:20.640 bit more route running than those other guys do. He's 0:49:20.680 --> 0:49:22.399 not as stiff. He can he can get in out 0:49:22.440 --> 0:49:27.399 of the break him. Roman Wilson obviously has been fantastic. 0:49:28.080 --> 0:49:31.960 Ladd McConkey Uh from Georgia had a really good day yesterday. 0:49:32.000 --> 0:49:33.800 We'll get to your shifty guys, don't worry. Do you 0:49:33.840 --> 0:49:34.719 want to jump to that now? 0:49:35.600 --> 0:49:37.560 No, I'm just saying, you know, I'm just you know, 0:49:37.800 --> 0:49:39.440 I have to get to my guys. Well, no, I was. 0:49:39.600 --> 0:49:41.200 My next thing for you is going to be okay, 0:49:41.200 --> 0:49:43.640 go ahead, tell us about Roman Wilson. Get it all out. 0:49:43.840 --> 0:49:47.279 Oh god, yeah, Roman Wilson. You know, I really liked 0:49:47.360 --> 0:49:50.560 Roman Wilson coming into this and he's done nothing but 0:49:50.560 --> 0:49:53.440 but proved me right, which is always good to feel 0:49:53.440 --> 0:49:55.239 when you watch the film and you're like, this guy 0:49:55.320 --> 0:49:57.440 is a little bit underrated and then he comes in 0:49:57.400 --> 0:49:59.799 and has a week like this. I still get so 0:49:59.840 --> 0:50:02.600 many any Aman Rossaint Brown vibes from the way that 0:50:02.680 --> 0:50:04.920 he moves, in the way that he runs routes, just 0:50:05.040 --> 0:50:10.640 silky smooth, efficient, quick, great hands. Made that one handed 0:50:10.680 --> 0:50:12.400 catch today at the end of practice that I know 0:50:12.520 --> 0:50:15.960 is making the rounds like he's just been as advertised, 0:50:15.960 --> 0:50:19.640 if not even better. And it makes you wonder if 0:50:19.640 --> 0:50:22.680 he played in an offense, you know, if he played 0:50:22.719 --> 0:50:26.000 in Washington's offense, for example, right where they're not where 0:50:26.000 --> 0:50:28.680 they're not running the ball a thousand times like they 0:50:28.719 --> 0:50:31.960 do at Michigan. Are we talking about Roman Wilson in 0:50:32.000 --> 0:50:34.680 a much different light. He just wasn't in an offense 0:50:34.760 --> 0:50:37.359 that allowed him to showcase these things that he's doing 0:50:37.400 --> 0:50:40.120 here at the Senior Bowl. So that's been really fun 0:50:40.160 --> 0:50:43.160 to watch. And Alam McConkie wasn't as good today as 0:50:43.160 --> 0:50:45.839 he was yesterday and one on ones, but another one 0:50:45.920 --> 0:50:47.959 of those guys that just knows how to get open 0:50:48.040 --> 0:50:52.400 and understands angles and you know, stems and leverage things 0:50:52.480 --> 0:50:55.640 like that. That's really heady like that, and you know 0:50:55.760 --> 0:50:58.719 to give you one though, one bully ball kind of 0:50:58.719 --> 0:51:03.799 outside hyper. Jerry Rice's son is Benton, kind of been 0:51:03.920 --> 0:51:07.640 kind of impressive. Brendan Rice from usc Is. Jerry Rice's 0:51:07.719 --> 0:51:10.640 son doesn't play like his father at all. Like he's 0:51:10.680 --> 0:51:14.600 like a big six ' two sixty three perimeter receiver. 0:51:15.400 --> 0:51:17.759 Yesterday was like all catch point stuff. He was making 0:51:17.800 --> 0:51:20.319 a lot of really great catches on contested catches down 0:51:20.360 --> 0:51:23.239 the field. Today he separated a little bit on some 0:51:23.360 --> 0:51:26.480 routes though, and I'm intrigued by him if you're looking 0:51:26.480 --> 0:51:29.000 for more of that outside guy. I think Pearsall can 0:51:29.000 --> 0:51:31.080 play on the outside, but it is probably more of 0:51:31.239 --> 0:51:35.040 like a move piece, whereas Lad mcconkee, I think could 0:51:35.040 --> 0:51:37.840 probably you know, if Piersoll is like a fifty to 0:51:37.840 --> 0:51:41.520 fifty guy inside outside, Lad mcconkeye's probably closer to like 0:51:41.560 --> 0:51:44.560 sixty five forty five. Uh, you know in terms of 0:51:44.640 --> 0:51:45.839 that zerole how. 0:51:45.760 --> 0:51:51.160 About roll then how Yeah, because you compare him to 0:51:51.160 --> 0:51:54.279 Alman Ross Saint Brown, but I feel like he has 0:51:54.440 --> 0:51:57.399 more in May. I don't know. Saint Brown could maybe 0:51:57.400 --> 0:51:59.560 play on the outside too. I mean he's in the scheme, 0:51:59.600 --> 0:52:01.759 he's in a Detroit and that he's him out of 0:52:01.760 --> 0:52:03.360 the slot and he's a weapon there for them. But 0:52:03.920 --> 0:52:06.600 I feel like Roman Wilson can be an outside guy. 0:52:07.080 --> 0:52:08.759 Maybe not one hundred percent of the time, but I 0:52:08.760 --> 0:52:11.640 feel like he can, you know, sixty forty. 0:52:12.960 --> 0:52:16.759 I just think that his ideal role is playing off 0:52:16.800 --> 0:52:19.799 the line and running him out of like bunches and 0:52:19.920 --> 0:52:23.080 stacks and things like that, where he's just gonna be 0:52:23.120 --> 0:52:25.480 able to just have a ton of space to maneuver 0:52:25.600 --> 0:52:28.799 and work with. He's a really difficult guy to cover 0:52:28.960 --> 0:52:30.640 when he has a two way go, like if he 0:52:30.640 --> 0:52:33.359 could go in or out like you're you're screwed, like 0:52:33.400 --> 0:52:36.239 you can't. It's really difficult to cover guys like that 0:52:36.239 --> 0:52:38.920 that are so nuanced and shifty, So I think that 0:52:39.000 --> 0:52:41.879 his ideal role is probably still playing, you know, off 0:52:41.880 --> 0:52:45.000 the line, in that Z flanker role. But I saw him, 0:52:45.040 --> 0:52:48.560 you know, win some verticals today and yesterday. I didn't 0:52:48.600 --> 0:52:51.960 necessarily catch that many of them, but I saw him, 0:52:51.960 --> 0:52:54.959 you know, testing DB's and things like that over the top. 0:52:55.040 --> 0:52:57.000 So I'm not ruling it out that he could play 0:52:57.239 --> 0:52:59.279 a little bit on the outside. But just think of 0:52:59.320 --> 0:53:02.960 the way that you know, a team like the Lions 0:53:03.040 --> 0:53:06.080 use armand Ross Saint Brown, the way the Rams have 0:53:06.200 --> 0:53:10.360 historically used their receivers like Pukakua and h Cooper cup 0:53:10.800 --> 0:53:13.560 just off the line, out of stacks, out of bunches, 0:53:13.600 --> 0:53:16.759 setting picks for him, setting rubs for them, those types 0:53:16.800 --> 0:53:19.080 of things I think Almah and Ross Saint Brown is 0:53:19.120 --> 0:53:21.560 so good at. And I that's why I see so 0:53:21.600 --> 0:53:24.520 much Roman Wilson, you know, so much Aman Rod and 0:53:24.600 --> 0:53:27.960 Romin Wilson. So not not necessarily like gonna run a 0:53:28.000 --> 0:53:30.880 four to three either, Right, He's probably gonna be a 0:53:30.920 --> 0:53:33.799 guy that's if he runs anything faster than a four 0:53:33.920 --> 0:53:37.160 or five, then he's then he's really in a great time. 0:53:37.160 --> 0:53:39.080 I think he could get into the four fource. He 0:53:39.120 --> 0:53:40.040 looks pretty fast to. 0:53:40.000 --> 0:53:43.560 Me, If he does that, then he's I think he's 0:53:43.600 --> 0:53:45.160 really like going to be in the top fifty. 0:53:45.200 --> 0:53:47.799 Conversation that wouldn't surprise me by the time we're all 0:53:47.800 --> 0:53:51.840 sudden done. Yeah, So I think he is. He like 0:53:51.880 --> 0:53:53.960 a four four seven four four eight guy That wouldn't 0:53:53.960 --> 0:53:56.320 be the most surprising to me. Another guy and I 0:53:56.320 --> 0:53:57.879 have one more receiver I want to ask you about, 0:53:57.880 --> 0:53:59.000 and then I don't know if you have anybody else 0:53:59.040 --> 0:54:01.440 you want to touch on? Rumor has it runs a 0:54:01.440 --> 0:54:03.400 four to four or at least did in high school, 0:54:04.040 --> 0:54:06.680 And that's Johnny Wilson, that's I think. So he measured 0:54:06.719 --> 0:54:08.919 it at I think six six two thirty five, right, 0:54:09.320 --> 0:54:11.359 so I got to bring those measurements down a little bit. 0:54:11.440 --> 0:54:14.040 That's the same size as Joe Milton. He really is 0:54:14.040 --> 0:54:16.920 the Joe Milton of wide receivers. Johnny Wilson, they were 0:54:16.920 --> 0:54:20.239 talking about him maybe having to move to tight end 0:54:20.280 --> 0:54:21.920 in the NFL, But I think he went out today 0:54:22.560 --> 0:54:25.479 and reminded people why he's a projected top fifty pick. 0:54:26.200 --> 0:54:29.399 A guy that big should not move that nimbly, And 0:54:29.880 --> 0:54:31.799 yesterday he's kind of trimping over his feet a little bit. 0:54:32.000 --> 0:54:34.160 Today he was really good one on ones, and one 0:54:34.200 --> 0:54:37.799 on ones are not usually favorable to the six foot five, 0:54:37.880 --> 0:54:39.240 two hundred and thirty pound receiver. 0:54:41.080 --> 0:54:45.040 I don't know what he is, but he's but he's intriguing. 0:54:45.320 --> 0:54:52.160 He's wide receiver Joe Milton. So the he measured in 0:54:52.200 --> 0:54:55.040 at uh six sixth oh no, wow, he did check 0:54:55.080 --> 0:54:58.040 in at two thirty seven. Okay, so six six. He's 0:54:58.040 --> 0:55:00.399 bigger than some of the tight ends. If I look 0:55:00.440 --> 0:55:02.960 at this, he's bigger than He's not bigger waight wise 0:55:03.000 --> 0:55:04.680 than any of the tight ends. They're at least two forty. 0:55:04.760 --> 0:55:08.359 But okay, so is he and I and I know 0:55:08.440 --> 0:55:10.720 that right now that this is maybe like a sour 0:55:10.800 --> 0:55:13.120 comparison from when it's come up from the year he 0:55:13.200 --> 0:55:15.719 had last year at the Patriots. But is he Mike 0:55:15.800 --> 0:55:19.359 ASICKI because that's sort of how I feel and that's 0:55:19.400 --> 0:55:20.040 not not no. 0:55:20.000 --> 0:55:22.680 But I think he's much care what if he runs 0:55:22.680 --> 0:55:23.200 a four to four? 0:55:24.920 --> 0:55:27.000 Oh so you think he's like DK Metcalf. 0:55:28.040 --> 0:55:34.000 Supposedly, the like college football people who track this like 0:55:34.480 --> 0:55:37.120 what what we are to the draft, The people in 0:55:37.160 --> 0:55:40.960 college football who do that with high school recruits claim 0:55:42.160 --> 0:55:45.000 he was running like four four, not in four fourths, 0:55:45.000 --> 0:55:47.760 like four four four four oh that he was running 0:55:47.760 --> 0:55:48.960 a four four oh in high school. 0:55:50.640 --> 0:55:53.560 If he puts down anything like that, then then maybe 0:55:53.640 --> 0:55:56.480 I'll I'll change that compy just the way. I'm just 0:55:56.719 --> 0:56:00.560 confused as to like what exactly how I would vision 0:56:00.640 --> 0:56:04.080 his ideal NFL role because I watched him this week 0:56:04.120 --> 0:56:06.240 and he's. 0:56:05.719 --> 0:56:07.320 Four four two. He ran a four to four to 0:56:07.320 --> 0:56:10.239 two supposedly supposedly he ran a four four to two 0:56:10.280 --> 0:56:10.800 in high school. 0:56:11.480 --> 0:56:13.439 I just feel like he kind of struggled a little 0:56:13.480 --> 0:56:19.480 bit with not necessarily stacking defenders but then like pulling 0:56:19.520 --> 0:56:21.879 away from them in the second and third phase down 0:56:21.920 --> 0:56:25.600 the field. I thought, I don't know, I'm intrigued by 0:56:25.600 --> 0:56:27.840 the skill set though, Like they're not that many guys 0:56:28.080 --> 0:56:30.759 that are that big, that move that well. You know, 0:56:30.880 --> 0:56:33.040 he moves like a wide receiver, but he's built like 0:56:33.040 --> 0:56:35.400 a tight end, which is why I kind of use 0:56:35.440 --> 0:56:38.200 the Kasiki type because I don't think that he's he's 0:56:38.200 --> 0:56:40.239 not shifty right for his. 0:56:40.520 --> 0:56:42.400 But he kind of is is. I don't know, I 0:56:42.400 --> 0:56:45.600 think he look, he's not Julian Edelman. 0:56:46.000 --> 0:56:49.839 No, no, but relatively speaking for a guy that's six six, 0:56:50.200 --> 0:56:51.240 two thirty seven. 0:56:51.280 --> 0:56:54.359 I think he moves pretty well. And he's also I mean, 0:56:54.360 --> 0:56:56.239 you're not gonna line him up in line, You're not, 0:56:56.400 --> 0:57:00.480 because he's not physical. You're gonna pu him at the Like, 0:57:00.680 --> 0:57:04.120 I don't what would you call a tight end that 0:57:04.160 --> 0:57:06.279 ex exclusively lines up at the X? Is that a 0:57:06.320 --> 0:57:07.600 tight end or is that a wide receiver? 0:57:08.640 --> 0:57:11.959 I see, I see him. I agree I that he's 0:57:12.080 --> 0:57:13.960 definitely not gonna put his hand in the dirt ye 0:57:13.960 --> 0:57:16.880 at any time in his NFL career. So like maybe 0:57:16.920 --> 0:57:19.720 he's more of like a jumbo slot, you know, I 0:57:20.120 --> 0:57:23.400 just don't know if he's necessarily. 0:57:22.840 --> 0:57:25.080 But it's not that kind of route runner. 0:57:26.920 --> 0:57:28.760 But is he like a guy that can run like 0:57:28.880 --> 0:57:33.240 seams and in cuts? Like yeah, I so. 0:57:35.080 --> 0:57:38.760 Maybe trying to tab him with the position is dumb, 0:57:39.680 --> 0:57:42.920 Like he's gonna have to you. You're drafting, You're drafting 0:57:42.960 --> 0:57:46.200 Johnny Wilson, I think, and these are these are my 0:57:46.200 --> 0:57:48.360 favorite kind of players in the draft. And Evan, you 0:57:48.360 --> 0:57:50.560 hear me talk about this all the time, the guys 0:57:50.600 --> 0:57:53.560 that you know, Roman Wilson is a really good player. Right, 0:57:53.560 --> 0:57:55.040 But like you just said, I'm and Ross Saint Brown, 0:57:55.080 --> 0:57:58.040 Like you're gonna find Roman Wilson. A guy like Roman 0:57:58.080 --> 0:58:00.680 Wilson in most drafts doesn't mean he's not a good player, 0:58:00.720 --> 0:58:03.040 doesn't mean Patrick didn't take him. But there's only so 0:58:03.080 --> 0:58:06.040 many skills sets to go around Johnny Wilson. You're not 0:58:06.080 --> 0:58:09.720 gonna find Johnny Wilson any other year. Like, if you 0:58:09.840 --> 0:58:12.400 see that guy, you draft him, and you have a 0:58:12.440 --> 0:58:15.960 plan specifically built for Johnny Wilson, we are going to 0:58:16.080 --> 0:58:17.760 use him like this. I don't think he's a guy 0:58:17.800 --> 0:58:20.040 you're drafting and saying, all right, we're gonna put him 0:58:20.040 --> 0:58:22.280 in this pre existing role we have in our offense, 0:58:22.520 --> 0:58:24.840 because I don't think that role exists in an NFL 0:58:24.880 --> 0:58:25.760 offense right now. 0:58:26.800 --> 0:58:29.320 I just look at him, and this is not a knock, 0:58:29.440 --> 0:58:31.840 but I just look at him, and I say, how 0:58:31.840 --> 0:58:33.800 great would it be to have this guy running the 0:58:33.840 --> 0:58:37.280 seam in my offense right stretching the middle of the field, 0:58:37.360 --> 0:58:40.480 running the seam. Throw him, throw the ball up to him, 0:58:40.480 --> 0:58:43.040 and let him play basketball that you know, in the 0:58:43.040 --> 0:58:46.040 middle of the field, right, Like whether it's high pointing it, 0:58:46.200 --> 0:58:49.000 back shoulder seams, like all the type of stuff. I 0:58:49.080 --> 0:58:52.040 just see that as a I don't know if he's 0:58:52.080 --> 0:58:56.000 a true X. I like that role. But regardless, he's 0:58:56.040 --> 0:58:59.240 got skills that are rare, you know, for a guy 0:58:59.280 --> 0:59:02.640 that size, and I'm willing to at least like give 0:59:02.680 --> 0:59:04.920 it a chance. You know, worst case scenario, he's like 0:59:04.960 --> 0:59:08.840 Scottie Washington or something like that. Best scenario, he turns 0:59:08.920 --> 0:59:11.120 out to be somebody that can really contribue. 0:59:11.160 --> 0:59:14.560 I think, I mean ceiling Ceiling is DK like again, 0:59:14.640 --> 0:59:18.120 that big, that athletic. Now the knock it. You may 0:59:18.120 --> 0:59:20.200 be asking why he's not a first time pick, raving 0:59:20.200 --> 0:59:24.160 about him. His hands are suspect, and it's funny because. 0:59:24.480 --> 0:59:26.840 Well, that's why I feel like I struggle with him 0:59:26.840 --> 0:59:29.560 as an ex because I don't but you know, it 0:59:29.560 --> 0:59:31.919 doesn't really win that at the catch point. 0:59:31.920 --> 0:59:33.320 But here's the thing. I think he does win at 0:59:33.320 --> 0:59:35.800 the catchpoint. To me, he is he He drops the 0:59:35.800 --> 0:59:39.000 ball when he's open, like he'll go up and win 0:59:39.080 --> 0:59:41.240 fifty to fifty balls. But when he's running like a 0:59:41.280 --> 0:59:43.840 slant and the defender loses him and he's all alone, 0:59:43.880 --> 0:59:46.280 those are the ones to me, he drops like they're 0:59:46.280 --> 0:59:48.760 just focus drops. And I think that's coachable. It doesn't 0:59:48.760 --> 0:59:52.040 mean you'll automatically fix it. But he's he is weird 0:59:52.120 --> 0:59:54.160 it's really weird with him because it is such a 0:59:54.240 --> 0:59:56.080 unique skill set and so much of what we do 0:59:56.560 --> 0:59:58.440 is based on, Hey, this guy can be this player. 0:59:58.440 --> 0:59:59.480 This guy can be this player. 0:59:59.640 --> 0:59:59.920 Right. 1:00:00.080 --> 1:00:05.720 Somebody said tall or heavier Quinton Johnson for Johnny Wilson. 1:00:05.760 --> 1:00:07.840 How do you feel about that because you didn't like her, 1:00:07.920 --> 1:00:09.240 you didn't like Quinton Johnson. 1:00:09.400 --> 1:00:12.720 I'm not a Quinton Johnson guy. I love players like 1:00:13.280 --> 1:00:15.760 Johnny Wilson too, because I feel like it's a challenge, 1:00:15.840 --> 1:00:18.160 like find a way to use this guy because he's 1:00:18.160 --> 1:00:20.360 a unique player. But at the same time, when you 1:00:20.400 --> 1:00:22.960 get into those types of players, sometimes there is no 1:00:23.040 --> 1:00:25.160 way to use him, right. There is no way to 1:00:25.240 --> 1:00:27.600 really maximize it, and he doesn't really have a position, 1:00:28.080 --> 1:00:30.840 and he's not really great enough at one thing to 1:00:31.040 --> 1:00:34.520 highlight this one trade or whatever. So there's a chance, 1:00:34.560 --> 1:00:36.520 you know, he's a boomer bus player to me because 1:00:36.520 --> 1:00:38.600 of that, Like there's a chance that he just doesn't 1:00:38.600 --> 1:00:40.480 really have a position in the NFL. 1:00:40.640 --> 1:00:42.959 Any other receivers stand out to you at Jamari Thrash 1:00:43.000 --> 1:00:46.720 from Louisville's had a couple of good days. Ania Smith 1:00:46.800 --> 1:00:50.480 is kind of the day three shifty slot receiver. I 1:00:50.520 --> 1:00:53.400 think he's a fun player. Luke McCaffrey, we already talked 1:00:53.440 --> 1:00:56.400 about Brendon Rice, who's been the better family member of 1:00:56.400 --> 1:00:58.640 an NFL legend. Anybody else stand out to you? 1:00:59.440 --> 1:01:03.200 Luke mccays made some plays, you know. Yeah, he's he's 1:01:03.200 --> 1:01:05.920 got a little bit of like the McCaffrey quickness. You know. 1:01:06.240 --> 1:01:07.880 We know he was a quarterback, right. 1:01:08.520 --> 1:01:10.520 Oh okay, Well then he's Jacoby Myers. 1:01:10.800 --> 1:01:12.840 That's I was going to say, how much does he 1:01:12.880 --> 1:01:15.320 look like Jacoby? Because he played quarterback at right? He 1:01:15.560 --> 1:01:17.120 played quarterback at right, so I think for a year 1:01:17.440 --> 1:01:18.960 he didn't it was a backup. I think he made 1:01:18.960 --> 1:01:19.960 like four starts. 1:01:20.640 --> 1:01:22.480 You know, I respect Jacoby a lot, So I'm not 1:01:22.480 --> 1:01:25.000 going to sit here and say that, you know, everybody's Jacoby, 1:01:25.040 --> 1:01:27.840 but you know, I I think that he's he's got 1:01:27.880 --> 1:01:30.760 a little bit of that like kind of heady route run, 1:01:30.920 --> 1:01:32.720 a little bit of quickness, you know, a little bit 1:01:32.760 --> 1:01:35.480 of size. Yeah, I could see that. 1:01:35.520 --> 1:01:37.720 He's a little bit on the bigger side. I think, right, 1:01:37.800 --> 1:01:41.200 isn't he he's Yeah, where is he here? Six one 1:01:41.280 --> 1:01:44.919 two oh two? So I mean that's solid size. Any 1:01:44.920 --> 1:01:47.440 other any other thoughts on the wide receiver position. 1:01:48.760 --> 1:01:50.920 H no, but if you want to stick with the 1:01:50.960 --> 1:01:52.920 skill positions. Though for a second, I do have some 1:01:53.000 --> 1:01:55.360 running backs, which I know is going to shock you. 1:01:55.760 --> 1:01:57.720 Yeah, all right, we got a couple more calls, will 1:01:57.720 --> 1:01:59.240 mix them in, but let's let's talk. Oh yeah, we 1:01:59.280 --> 1:02:01.040 got to talk about till the Lobby. Of course. I'm 1:02:01.040 --> 1:02:02.680 assuming that's who you have the thoughts on, or one 1:02:02.720 --> 1:02:03.400 of the guys. 1:02:03.960 --> 1:02:08.960 Dylan Dylan Lobby's this guy. Guy's legit man, Like you know, 1:02:09.040 --> 1:02:12.520 I am anti running back. I am as anti running 1:02:12.520 --> 1:02:16.440 back as you could possibly be. But Dylan Lobby intrigues 1:02:16.480 --> 1:02:19.680 me because they just don't have They've been searching for 1:02:19.760 --> 1:02:22.320 that type of player for a while now, really since 1:02:22.360 --> 1:02:25.960 James White hung it up. And he's a sub package back. 1:02:26.000 --> 1:02:28.040 Whether you want to use him by handing him the 1:02:28.080 --> 1:02:30.800 ball at a gun out of spread formations or you 1:02:30.840 --> 1:02:33.560 want to throw him the ball, he's he's a sub 1:02:33.600 --> 1:02:36.280 package back like that's exactly what he is in the NFL, 1:02:36.600 --> 1:02:39.320 and they definite desperately need a guy like that, especially 1:02:39.320 --> 1:02:41.840 if they're not going to have a super mobile quarterback 1:02:41.840 --> 1:02:44.840 again or something like that, then they really could use 1:02:44.880 --> 1:02:48.000 like a checkdown guy, a safety valve and somebody that 1:02:48.080 --> 1:02:51.080 can run out of spread and things of that nature. 1:02:51.160 --> 1:02:53.880 And I think Dylan Lobby is really you know, he 1:02:53.920 --> 1:02:56.360 comes from un h right, So yeah, you want to 1:02:56.360 --> 1:02:59.400 see is does it translate against better competition in the NFL. 1:02:59.440 --> 1:03:02.360 Caliber guy absolutely has, absolutely. 1:03:01.880 --> 1:03:04.680 Has the initial burst when he gets the ball and 1:03:04.720 --> 1:03:07.640 puts his foot in the ground against going And there's 1:03:07.800 --> 1:03:09.920 one play he made yesterday, Evan, I'm sure you know 1:03:09.960 --> 1:03:11.960 which one I'm talking about. It's a shotgun hand off 1:03:12.320 --> 1:03:14.360 and he actually gets the ball late because if there 1:03:14.400 --> 1:03:16.200 was an issue with the snap of the handoff or something, 1:03:16.720 --> 1:03:19.720 and he still gets out of the backfield so fast. 1:03:20.640 --> 1:03:23.520 Whether or not the defensive end had the ability to 1:03:23.600 --> 1:03:26.440 set the edge was irrelevant. He's around it, he's gone, 1:03:26.600 --> 1:03:29.520 like you needed to set that edge so quickly in 1:03:29.640 --> 1:03:31.959 order to contain him. And that's such a dangerous skill 1:03:32.000 --> 1:03:34.200 set for running back to have. So I have been 1:03:34.840 --> 1:03:38.280 incredibly impressed with Dylan Lobby and that is absolutely a 1:03:38.280 --> 1:03:41.040 guy like you said, you put him in the James 1:03:41.480 --> 1:03:44.560 White role. Is he gonna be James White? I don't know. 1:03:44.560 --> 1:03:46.840 I mean, James White was a great, great player, But 1:03:47.160 --> 1:03:49.080 you talk about a guy that can truly impact the 1:03:49.120 --> 1:03:52.240 game on third downs in a number of ways from 1:03:52.240 --> 1:03:54.439 the running back role. We haven't or they haven't shout 1:03:54.480 --> 1:03:56.000 it on TV. I don't know if you've seen Evan 1:03:56.240 --> 1:03:59.000 him in any one on ones or pass pro situations, 1:03:59.040 --> 1:04:01.200 but with the all in his hands, yeah, he looks 1:04:01.280 --> 1:04:01.800 very legit. 1:04:02.600 --> 1:04:05.160 Yeah, in what I wants. He's done a really nice 1:04:05.240 --> 1:04:08.240 job really all around. You know, blitz pick up, they've 1:04:08.280 --> 1:04:11.200 done a little bit of that where they have real 1:04:11.360 --> 1:04:14.200 blitz pick up one on one type of matchups, blitzing 1:04:14.240 --> 1:04:18.360 linebackers against the backs, and he's done okay, And he's 1:04:18.560 --> 1:04:21.400 had really good hands, you know, really reliable hands. He's 1:04:21.400 --> 1:04:24.160 got some quickness at the top of the row. Trying 1:04:24.200 --> 1:04:26.400 to think of like Patriot Coms, like he's probably a 1:04:26.440 --> 1:04:29.520 little bit more Rex Burkhead than James White, or maybe 1:04:29.600 --> 1:04:32.000 like a little more like a bigger Danny Woodhead or 1:04:32.040 --> 1:04:36.280 something like that than a James White type. But I 1:04:36.400 --> 1:04:37.960 you know, I'm not a running back guy, and I 1:04:38.680 --> 1:04:41.160 would be okay with a Day three pick on Dylan Lobby. 1:04:41.200 --> 1:04:41.880 I'd be cool with that. 1:04:42.000 --> 1:04:45.080 And I don't think he's gonna go that high because 1:04:45.080 --> 1:04:47.720 it is a good running back draft. I think that. Yeah, 1:04:48.120 --> 1:04:50.160 uh so they're sixty eight and the third I don't 1:04:50.160 --> 1:04:51.600 even know what they are on the fourth off the top. 1:04:51.680 --> 1:04:53.200 Oh well, we don't know yet. Actually we don't know, 1:04:53.240 --> 1:04:56.800 but it'll be somewhere around like one ten fifteen. 1:04:57.720 --> 1:04:58.800 Yeah. 1:04:59.080 --> 1:05:01.320 I think that's not taking him any earlier than that. 1:05:01.520 --> 1:05:04.720 Maybe you can wait till the fifth round, but early 1:05:04.880 --> 1:05:07.960 day three I would not have a problem at all. 1:05:08.000 --> 1:05:10.680 I think that would be a great, great pick. Did 1:05:10.720 --> 1:05:12.920 you have any other running backs that stood out? 1:05:13.240 --> 1:05:16.880 So Marshawn Lloyd from USC's made some really good sketches. Yeah, 1:05:16.920 --> 1:05:20.080 he can catch the ball. I win on vertical routes too, 1:05:20.080 --> 1:05:21.960 which if you're going to be a running back in 1:05:22.040 --> 1:05:23.640 my in my world, right. 1:05:23.560 --> 1:05:25.760 Yeah, Oh you almost said it. You almost said the 1:05:25.920 --> 1:05:27.280 M word, the m O word. 1:05:27.840 --> 1:05:30.400 Oh no, no, no, no, I wasn't going there. I've learned 1:05:30.400 --> 1:05:35.120 my lesson in my world in running backs in your offense, 1:05:35.960 --> 1:05:37.960 if you can't win on a wheel route, I have 1:05:38.120 --> 1:05:38.840 no time for you. 1:05:39.000 --> 1:05:40.920 Yeah, he's been crushing the wheel routes, right. 1:05:41.120 --> 1:05:43.680 Yeah, yeah, he can run a wheel route. He can 1:05:43.720 --> 1:05:45.320 get up the field a little bit like if you 1:05:45.360 --> 1:05:47.520 want to run him up the seam, you know, make 1:05:47.560 --> 1:05:49.560 it three strong for strong with the wheel or the 1:05:49.600 --> 1:05:52.120 seam like. He can definitely do that. And he's he's 1:05:52.160 --> 1:05:54.280 been able to catch some passes out of the back 1:05:54.320 --> 1:05:56.400 that he probably caught Bo Nicks his best throw of 1:05:56.400 --> 1:05:58.760 the week so far on a wheel route on a 1:05:58.840 --> 1:06:01.640 mesh concept. So he's he's caught the ball pretty well. 1:06:01.960 --> 1:06:05.080 And uh day John Edwards, I hope I'm saying his 1:06:05.080 --> 1:06:06.400 first name correctly from Georgia. 1:06:06.800 --> 1:06:06.920 Uh. 1:06:07.080 --> 1:06:09.080 He has caught the ball a little bit too, and 1:06:09.120 --> 1:06:11.600 has shown some ability to catch the full ball. I 1:06:11.640 --> 1:06:14.640 think both Lloyd and and Edwards I think are more 1:06:14.960 --> 1:06:17.880 you know, they're stouter, like, they're stockier guys than than 1:06:17.960 --> 1:06:20.640 Dylan Lobby. So I'm not sure they're pure third down backs, 1:06:20.680 --> 1:06:23.000 but I'm looking for guys that can catch the ball 1:06:23.000 --> 1:06:24.560 a little bit out of the backfield. I think that 1:06:24.640 --> 1:06:25.960 they could use that for sure. 1:06:26.480 --> 1:06:28.480 I'll give you one more guy. This is the one 1:06:28.520 --> 1:06:33.160 you're gonna hate because ramondrous Evenson is entering a contract year. 1:06:33.280 --> 1:06:35.400 Do you get, you know, the next early down guy. 1:06:35.760 --> 1:06:37.680 I don't think they need to take him until late. 1:06:37.760 --> 1:06:40.040 I mean you're talking six or seventh round, and look, 1:06:40.080 --> 1:06:42.439 it's easy to do this in a practice where there's 1:06:42.440 --> 1:06:47.280 no live tackling. But Rashena Ali from Marshall was highly highly, 1:06:47.360 --> 1:06:50.560 highly productive in college, and you can see why he doesn't. 1:06:51.040 --> 1:06:53.240 He doesn't wait around. He gets the ball and he 1:06:53.360 --> 1:06:56.760 is boomed north south like he does. He just attacks 1:06:56.800 --> 1:07:00.320 the hole with with with a purpose. That's kind all 1:07:00.680 --> 1:07:02.800 all he does. And I think there's a role for 1:07:02.840 --> 1:07:05.880 that in the NFL. I get just before we freak out, 1:07:06.200 --> 1:07:09.280 sixth round, seventh round. I do think he'll get drafted. 1:07:09.280 --> 1:07:12.160 I don't think he'll be u DFA. But it's you 1:07:12.200 --> 1:07:15.040 see the production in college and then you go by 1:07:15.040 --> 1:07:18.240 the way. Also played for Jeremy Springer was the special 1:07:18.280 --> 1:07:20.560 teams coordinator at Marshall when Rashina Lee was the kicker. 1:07:21.600 --> 1:07:23.080 Was the kick with the kick return of there. But 1:07:23.640 --> 1:07:26.200 I don't like the running backs that do the little 1:07:26.280 --> 1:07:28.800 jitterbug that like it's one thing if you're deng Lewis 1:07:28.960 --> 1:07:31.640 and you're great at it, but if you're running back 1:07:31.680 --> 1:07:34.760 and you're over two hundred and ten pounds, hit the hole. 1:07:35.200 --> 1:07:38.440 Just get the ball, hit the hole, fall forward. Rashiin 1:07:38.480 --> 1:07:40.600 Ali hits the hole with purpose. So I don't know 1:07:40.600 --> 1:07:43.000 if you have any thoughts on him, but sign me 1:07:43.080 --> 1:07:45.080 up for him late on day three to come in 1:07:45.120 --> 1:07:48.440 and just be a be a early down rotational running back. 1:07:49.160 --> 1:07:52.160 Yeah, you're not a fan of Barry Sanders, Apparently he 1:07:52.160 --> 1:07:52.680 does too much. 1:07:52.720 --> 1:07:56.400 Again, if you're Barry Sanders, great, go for it. I'm 1:07:56.480 --> 1:07:58.600 saying the guys like, you know, not to pick on 1:07:58.640 --> 1:08:01.080 a former Patriot, but like Lauren Smerni would sit back 1:08:01.120 --> 1:08:03.160 there all day and wait for a hole that was 1:08:03.160 --> 1:08:06.680 never going to open. If you're Barry Sanders, also, wasn't 1:08:06.680 --> 1:08:08.560 over two hundred pounds and put that qualifier on it. 1:08:08.840 --> 1:08:11.600 If you're especially in the modern NFL where you're gonna 1:08:11.600 --> 1:08:14.640 have these smaller linebackers and the safeties playing in the box, 1:08:14.880 --> 1:08:17.320 and you have the size advantage, get ahead of steam 1:08:17.360 --> 1:08:19.800 and go. Don't waste time, get ahead of steam and go. 1:08:20.160 --> 1:08:22.000 And it felt like Rashina Lee did a good job 1:08:22.040 --> 1:08:22.679 of showing that. 1:08:23.439 --> 1:08:26.519 Yeah, you think Barry Sanders sucks, That's what I heard. 1:08:27.000 --> 1:08:29.320 I get. No, he's not over two hundred Was Barry 1:08:29.360 --> 1:08:30.599 Sanders over two hundred and ten pounds? 1:08:30.600 --> 1:08:34.240 There's no way I know we can move on. I've 1:08:34.240 --> 1:08:36.680 already done enough, wasted enough time on running back. 1:08:36.960 --> 1:08:44.160 No, but Dylan Lobby's a guy, local guy. Yeah, and 1:08:44.280 --> 1:08:47.120 he would he would make the football team better. Yeah, 1:08:47.160 --> 1:08:48.840 and that's ultimately this is all about all right, let's 1:08:48.840 --> 1:08:49.400 get some calls. 1:08:49.680 --> 1:08:51.280 That's big of me to say, by the way, that 1:08:51.320 --> 1:08:52.200 I agree with that. 1:08:52.320 --> 1:08:55.360 Well, he's like a hybrid receiver like you were always 1:08:55.360 --> 1:08:58.040 gonna kind of like again, if you would like Rashena Lee, 1:08:58.800 --> 1:09:01.840 I'd be a little more surprised. I'm more surprised you're 1:09:01.880 --> 1:09:05.439 as eager about Joe Milton. I'm more surprised you're as 1:09:05.439 --> 1:09:07.120 eager about Joe Milton. And I knew you were gonna 1:09:07.120 --> 1:09:09.360 like to a lobby. That was an easy one. Let's 1:09:09.400 --> 1:09:11.000 go to and we'll take some calls. Then we'll get 1:09:11.040 --> 1:09:14.479 to the tackles. Tyler in South Carolina has been hanging 1:09:14.520 --> 1:09:16.160 on for quite a bit. Tyler, thanks for that. 1:09:17.200 --> 1:09:22.000 Hey, any guys doing Hey good. So as far as 1:09:22.040 --> 1:09:23.439 the draft graft, I got two things. 1:09:24.080 --> 1:09:25.920 One I would have my eyes. 1:09:25.760 --> 1:09:28.799 On Jaj McCarthy. He's kind of that like a hybrid 1:09:28.880 --> 1:09:32.040 quarterback as the Washington Group his Michigan Daves. And he's 1:09:32.520 --> 1:09:34.559 got a great place now. He can throw that ball 1:09:35.080 --> 1:09:39.160 at least forty yards And if we don't go for 1:09:39.200 --> 1:09:42.080 a quarterback in the draft. Do you think we go 1:09:42.120 --> 1:09:46.559 out get a vet, keep Zappy has that train kind 1:09:46.560 --> 1:09:50.720 of motivate. Zachy makes Jappie better, So that way even 1:09:50.760 --> 1:09:54.360 comes time where our vet quarterback goes Zappies rates at 1:09:54.400 --> 1:09:56.519 then and see like. 1:09:56.560 --> 1:10:00.759 The next Brady, Yeah, I I don't know about Thanks 1:10:00.760 --> 1:10:04.879 for the call real quick on Zappi. You're not keeping 1:10:05.400 --> 1:10:07.960 Zappy and signing a veteran and having Zampi as the 1:10:07.960 --> 1:10:09.920 backup with the planet. Hand the keys over to him. 1:10:10.000 --> 1:10:13.040 He's in his third year. Either he's your starting quarterback 1:10:13.120 --> 1:10:17.280 or he's your backup quarterback. Brady, Right, Yeah, we need 1:10:17.360 --> 1:10:20.040 to need to calm down with that. And we've all 1:10:20.080 --> 1:10:23.599 talked about JJ McCarthy. I just he's so I'm higher 1:10:23.600 --> 1:10:26.200 on him than you I think at this point, which 1:10:26.240 --> 1:10:29.920 is I didn't see coming. Does he do some things 1:10:29.920 --> 1:10:34.479 that interest me? Yes, Like I think his athleticism, I 1:10:34.479 --> 1:10:39.240 think his size. Okay, there's something there. He's so far 1:10:39.280 --> 1:10:41.160 away from being able to win games in the NFL. 1:10:41.640 --> 1:10:46.160 The discipline, the field, vision, the consistency. Look, he just 1:10:46.200 --> 1:10:49.280 turned twenty one earlier this month. He has time. That's 1:10:49.320 --> 1:10:51.040 a guy that needs to sit for a year or two. 1:10:51.400 --> 1:10:54.400 That's the guy. If it's twenty eighteen and Tom Brady's 1:10:54.400 --> 1:10:57.960 still here and you have you know, all right, we 1:10:58.040 --> 1:11:00.599 got a couple of years left, that's guy you take 1:11:00.640 --> 1:11:02.599 like he needs to be on a Jordan Love path. 1:11:03.320 --> 1:11:05.679 And the Patriots don't have the starting quarterback, they don't 1:11:05.680 --> 1:11:08.360 have the Tom Brady Aaron Rodgers to do that. You 1:11:08.479 --> 1:11:11.680 hand that key, that kid the key's day one. I 1:11:11.680 --> 1:11:16.280 don't think it's gonna go. Well, so there is I understand. 1:11:16.760 --> 1:11:18.479 I've come around more on like, all right, if you 1:11:18.520 --> 1:11:20.519 want to talk to me about JJ McCarty in the 1:11:20.560 --> 1:11:25.040 second round for a certain kind of team, sure, I 1:11:25.040 --> 1:11:27.240 don't think the Patriots are that kind of team. 1:11:27.680 --> 1:11:30.519 Yeah. I've actually asked a few people that you know, 1:11:30.600 --> 1:11:35.040 I've talked to here about JJ McCarthy because I am 1:11:35.120 --> 1:11:39.400 so low on JJ McCarthy. It seems like compared to 1:11:39.400 --> 1:11:42.519 the league, like you know, guys like Daniel Jeremiah for example, 1:11:42.520 --> 1:11:44.920 who's plugged into the league and has you know, so 1:11:44.960 --> 1:11:47.720 many friends in scouting, how's this guy as like a 1:11:47.760 --> 1:11:50.400 first round pick, you know, a top twenty five player 1:11:50.439 --> 1:11:52.840 in the class. You know that type of thing. Dame 1:11:52.880 --> 1:11:55.720 Brugler similar like has him like close to the first round, 1:11:55.760 --> 1:11:58.559 if not in the first round. So I think the 1:11:58.640 --> 1:12:02.559 thing that with McCarthy is that, yeah, you can make 1:12:02.600 --> 1:12:06.120 a cut up film of like five minutes of him 1:12:06.120 --> 1:12:08.400 making all sorts of NFL throws right, Like, you can 1:12:08.479 --> 1:12:12.840 do that, but it's that's just a snapshot of the 1:12:13.000 --> 1:12:16.120 entire picture with him. So yeah, it's in there like that. 1:12:16.280 --> 1:12:19.240 You can see all right, he throws this, you know, 1:12:19.840 --> 1:12:22.840 a scene with zip He throws a slant with a 1:12:22.880 --> 1:12:25.439 good touch and timing on that crossing route that everybody 1:12:25.439 --> 1:12:28.280 shows against the hiding as Ohio State. Right, he can 1:12:28.280 --> 1:12:30.040 get out of the pocket, he can run around a 1:12:30.080 --> 1:12:32.160 little bit, like you can show all those types of things, 1:12:32.680 --> 1:12:35.559 but is any of it consistent? Has any of it developed? Like, 1:12:35.640 --> 1:12:39.040 absolutely not, And that's that's just the difference between it 1:12:39.080 --> 1:12:42.200 for me, a first round pick versus maybe some other people. 1:12:42.360 --> 1:12:44.439 To be a first round pick should be ready to 1:12:44.479 --> 1:12:47.000 play tomorrow, Like he should be able to walk onto 1:12:47.080 --> 1:12:49.479 the team and be the best quarterback on the field. 1:12:49.880 --> 1:12:52.320 I don't think Jajon McCarthy is is going to be that, 1:12:52.720 --> 1:12:54.479 So that to me is more of like a Day 1:12:54.479 --> 1:12:57.720 two guy. That's worth developing, but isn't someone that I'm 1:12:57.760 --> 1:13:00.280 taking in the first round. So I guess that where 1:13:00.280 --> 1:13:01.400 I'm at with Danie McCartney. 1:13:01.760 --> 1:13:03.960 Let's go to Matt in Washington and then we'll get 1:13:03.960 --> 1:13:09.639 into the big boys, the tackles. Matt, how are we going, Matt? 1:13:09.640 --> 1:13:10.040 You got me? 1:13:11.680 --> 1:13:15.439 Hey, guys, Hey, any concern that the Juju in Parker 1:13:15.479 --> 1:13:19.479 contracts make it hard to really attack the wide receiver position? 1:13:20.080 --> 1:13:22.840 And what a good offseason for it? You know, I'd 1:13:22.880 --> 1:13:25.439 love to see them sign one and draft one early 1:13:25.479 --> 1:13:28.240 on or double dip in a great class. But do 1:13:28.360 --> 1:13:31.240 you start to run into like a rep tissue where 1:13:31.280 --> 1:13:34.639 you either aren't giving a highly drafted rookie enough playing 1:13:34.680 --> 1:13:37.040 time or you're setting up a tough situation where you're 1:13:37.560 --> 1:13:41.200 trying to minimize the role of two veterans account almost 1:13:41.280 --> 1:13:42.760 like twenty million dollars against. 1:13:42.520 --> 1:13:44.920 The cop Yeah, Matt, thanks to God. Look, it's a 1:13:44.920 --> 1:13:47.519 great question. It's a great question. What do you do 1:13:47.960 --> 1:13:50.000 when you need to add to the wide receiver position, 1:13:50.040 --> 1:13:53.240 but you have two players who maybe aren't starting caliber 1:13:53.280 --> 1:13:56.559 players right now that you owe a lot of money too. 1:13:57.439 --> 1:13:59.599 I do think they need to be cognizant of the reps. 1:13:59.640 --> 1:14:01.160 I think the worst thing they can do is draft 1:14:01.160 --> 1:14:04.080 a guy high and sit them, especially when wide receiver 1:14:04.200 --> 1:14:08.639 more than any other position. The correlation between year one 1:14:08.720 --> 1:14:12.439 and overall success or lack thereof, is legit. If you're 1:14:12.439 --> 1:14:14.760 a good wide receiver, you produce in your one. If 1:14:14.760 --> 1:14:17.560 you're not, you don't. There's just not really who is 1:14:17.600 --> 1:14:20.680 the last wide receiver that didn't really burst on the 1:14:20.720 --> 1:14:23.200 scene until two, three, four years in his career. You 1:14:23.240 --> 1:14:25.720 don't see that anymore. You know who these guys are 1:14:25.720 --> 1:14:30.120 from the jump, So I think they should be open 1:14:30.160 --> 1:14:33.479 to moving one, if not both of them, because it's 1:14:33.520 --> 1:14:35.599 gonna be expensive. It's gonna be a tough contract to eat. 1:14:35.920 --> 1:14:38.960 When we talk about cap space, really what we're talking 1:14:39.000 --> 1:14:40.880 about is how easy it is to maneuver your roster. 1:14:41.439 --> 1:14:43.519 And that can be signing for agents, but it can 1:14:43.560 --> 1:14:46.880 also be, hey, we can you know if you have 1:14:46.920 --> 1:14:49.320 a wide receiver or two you love in the draft, 1:14:49.439 --> 1:14:52.599 Roman Wilson, right, and you're probably gonna use Roman Wilson 1:14:52.640 --> 1:14:55.200 that Z type role we saw Jujus and the Shuster 1:14:55.320 --> 1:14:58.639 in all right, we can afford to have. I don't 1:14:58.640 --> 1:15:00.160 know how much the dead money is on Juju off 1:15:00.160 --> 1:15:01.360 the top of my head, but I think it's like 1:15:01.360 --> 1:15:05.439 eleven million. We can afford to have eleven million in 1:15:05.520 --> 1:15:08.760 dead money because we're gonna be paying Roman Wilson nine 1:15:08.880 --> 1:15:12.200 hundred thousand dollars and we're gonna have our starting wide receiver. 1:15:12.320 --> 1:15:15.519 So we're allocating twelve million dollars over all of this position, 1:15:15.560 --> 1:15:18.439 which is about right for a starting zet. Now for 1:15:18.520 --> 1:15:20.880 that to work, you have to have to have to 1:15:20.960 --> 1:15:23.320 hit on the pick, and that this is basically what 1:15:23.360 --> 1:15:26.719 the Rams did. It's a little different because they already 1:15:26.760 --> 1:15:30.280 had the dead money from a number of different things 1:15:30.360 --> 1:15:31.800 they did with their roster. It's not like they were 1:15:31.840 --> 1:15:34.720 just cutting guys to reset the roster, but they had 1:15:34.760 --> 1:15:36.760 to ball on a budget, for lack of a better term, 1:15:37.040 --> 1:15:38.920 they had to win on the margins they drafted. Well, right, 1:15:38.920 --> 1:15:40.599 if you end up with a guy like Pouk and Akua, 1:15:41.320 --> 1:15:44.040 the twelve million dollars in dead money for jujus from 1:15:44.040 --> 1:15:47.280 the shoster doesn't hurt that bad. Now, if you miss 1:15:47.280 --> 1:15:49.000 on the pick, you miss on the pick, and that sucks. 1:15:49.000 --> 1:15:52.960 But it's that's the position they've put themselves in. So 1:15:53.439 --> 1:15:55.759 I do think it's something that they certainly should consider 1:15:55.800 --> 1:15:58.519 I'm not saying cut every bad player and have fifty 1:15:58.560 --> 1:16:01.719 million in dead cap, but I do think there should 1:16:01.760 --> 1:16:04.120 be spots they should look to pick. Whether it is 1:16:04.120 --> 1:16:06.120 a guy like Juju Smith Schuster, whether it is a 1:16:06.160 --> 1:16:09.479 guy like Devonte Parker, you know, on the defensive side 1:16:09.479 --> 1:16:11.240 of the ball. Davon Gotcha actually doesn't have a lot 1:16:11.240 --> 1:16:13.040 of dead money. He has some, but it's not a lot. 1:16:13.080 --> 1:16:15.240 They can open up a lot of money if they're 1:16:15.240 --> 1:16:18.280 confident they can address those holes and improve the roster. 1:16:18.360 --> 1:16:20.720 You eating money is not a bad thing to do 1:16:20.760 --> 1:16:21.480 this offseason. 1:16:22.880 --> 1:16:25.920 Yeah, I think that. I'm with you on the eating 1:16:25.960 --> 1:16:28.360 money thing. I do think that should be on the table. 1:16:28.880 --> 1:16:32.519 Is it's by the way, it's twelve million for Juju 1:16:32.560 --> 1:16:35.120 if they caught him nine dead money, twelve million if 1:16:35.160 --> 1:16:36.640 they caught him nine million if they trade him. So 1:16:36.640 --> 1:16:38.320 if you can find like the John of Smith trade 1:16:38.360 --> 1:16:40.240 where you just move him for like a seventh round 1:16:40.240 --> 1:16:42.840 pick swap, you save three million, and I think they 1:16:42.880 --> 1:16:44.560 could be able to do that. I bet think he 1:16:44.600 --> 1:16:46.720 gets somebody to take them for you know, you're you're 1:16:46.720 --> 1:16:49.280 not gonna be paying him anything, and I bet they 1:16:49.320 --> 1:16:50.080 you trade him. 1:16:50.840 --> 1:16:53.800 Maybe, But I'm with you. I think that you have to. 1:16:54.000 --> 1:16:56.400 That's some cost at this point, and the worst thing 1:16:56.439 --> 1:16:58.479 that you can do, like you said, was create a 1:16:58.520 --> 1:17:01.800 long jam at those positions and then be forced to 1:17:02.760 --> 1:17:05.360 May this regime doesn't feel as forced to pay the 1:17:05.439 --> 1:17:08.439 experienced guy over the rookie year or whatever. But I 1:17:08.520 --> 1:17:10.360 just don't even want to give him that option. And 1:17:10.680 --> 1:17:13.519 I would just cut my losses if I could with 1:17:13.680 --> 1:17:15.439 both of those guys. Even if you have to eat 1:17:15.479 --> 1:17:17.360 some of the dead cap, I'd be okay with that. 1:17:17.800 --> 1:17:20.439 And maybe wait, you know, maybe wait until you get 1:17:20.479 --> 1:17:23.680 into camp. Got you know, team This happens every year 1:17:23.800 --> 1:17:26.200 teams around the league. Guys that get injured. Teams don't 1:17:26.280 --> 1:17:28.160 like their wide receiver room as much as they thought 1:17:28.200 --> 1:17:30.800 they would, and they are looking to add veterans and 1:17:30.840 --> 1:17:33.640 things like that, and that's where Parker or Juju is 1:17:33.680 --> 1:17:35.840 able to get moved. I don't know if they're gonna 1:17:36.280 --> 1:17:39.000 be able to the Juju or the John who excuse me. 1:17:39.040 --> 1:17:42.720 Some situation was unique because Arthur Smith coached him in 1:17:42.760 --> 1:17:45.200 Tennessee and got the most out room with the Titans 1:17:45.240 --> 1:17:49.040 and wanted them back. I don't know if they're maybe Kansas. 1:17:48.640 --> 1:17:54.080 City or or Washington, Eric p enemy. Yeah right, because 1:17:54.080 --> 1:17:57.720 the enemy was the OC there that year, right, Yeah, yeah, 1:17:57.800 --> 1:18:00.559 so maybe maybe Washington. I mean they need they could 1:18:00.600 --> 1:18:02.599 use a guy like that, right, They've got Terry McLaurin 1:18:02.640 --> 1:18:05.240 on the outside. They've got Tammy Brown kind of as 1:18:05.240 --> 1:18:07.200 a speech or they could use a chain mover, certainly, 1:18:07.680 --> 1:18:10.240 especially for a for a young quarterbacks. So all right, 1:18:10.240 --> 1:18:13.120 you'ready getting the big guys because this has probably been 1:18:13.160 --> 1:18:15.559 the most Has this been the most fun group of 1:18:15.600 --> 1:18:16.280 any down there? 1:18:18.400 --> 1:18:20.800 I think it's been the best group. You know, the 1:18:21.320 --> 1:18:23.800 receivers have been really good too, But I would say 1:18:23.800 --> 1:18:26.400 that in terms of top to bottom the best group. 1:18:26.439 --> 1:18:29.800 I mean, there's probably eight or nine guys that we 1:18:29.840 --> 1:18:32.479 could discuss in this conversation at the tackle position. But 1:18:32.520 --> 1:18:34.320 I will say one thing, and there is nothing against 1:18:34.320 --> 1:18:37.479 an anyway. Some of these names are like giving me 1:18:37.520 --> 1:18:40.880 a tough time, Alex. You know, I really we could. 1:18:41.000 --> 1:18:42.920 I could appreciate some easier names on these. 1:18:43.160 --> 1:18:48.679 I have them all except uh Sua Madiata, the kid 1:18:48.760 --> 1:18:52.400 from from by the rest of them, so they had. 1:18:53.439 --> 1:18:55.639 He goes by Tally. I think his full name is Talise, 1:18:55.680 --> 1:18:58.680 but he goes by Tali Fuanga there's no en in there, 1:18:58.720 --> 1:19:01.760 but it's like the tongue of ie, right like tua. Yeah, 1:19:01.760 --> 1:19:05.360 so it's helped us. They've had these guys on NFL network, 1:19:05.479 --> 1:19:09.040 So Tali Fuanga. There's been two guys I think that 1:19:09.120 --> 1:19:11.559 have really stood out as in a group that's been 1:19:11.600 --> 1:19:15.200 good overall. Talifuanga. I'm just gonna say it as many 1:19:15.200 --> 1:19:16.559 time as I can to flex that I know how 1:19:16.600 --> 1:19:19.280 to say it. And a little bit easier name Tyler Guidon. 1:19:19.439 --> 1:19:24.600 So it's Oregon State, Oklahoma. Those two guys just dominant, 1:19:24.920 --> 1:19:27.720 just dominant, and they they win in different ways. I 1:19:27.760 --> 1:19:32.719 think Fuanga's more the big stout. He's just gonna envelop 1:19:32.800 --> 1:19:34.519 you like you come at him. You can try to spin, 1:19:34.600 --> 1:19:36.760 you can try to do this or that. He's just 1:19:36.800 --> 1:19:40.000 too big. Whereas Tyler Gidon, what impresses me about him 1:19:40.120 --> 1:19:43.200 so much is when we talk about these big tackles. 1:19:43.200 --> 1:19:46.240 We did this a lot last year, Evan with my 1:19:46.280 --> 1:19:49.160 guy from Ohio State, Dwan Jones. Was the concern is 1:19:49.200 --> 1:19:52.559 when you're that big, can you move? Can you get 1:19:52.560 --> 1:19:54.519 to the outside? Because when you see a three hundred 1:19:55.000 --> 1:19:56.960 called three hundred and thirty plus pound tackle, I think 1:19:57.000 --> 1:19:58.640 when you're lining up across from a three hundred and 1:19:58.640 --> 1:20:01.400 thirty plus pound tackle. The first instinct, the first thing 1:20:01.400 --> 1:20:05.240 that the defensive game planners, defensive edge rushers will come 1:20:05.280 --> 1:20:07.120 up with, is all right, what can I run around him? 1:20:07.360 --> 1:20:09.320 Can he get to the edge? And I think the 1:20:09.360 --> 1:20:11.599 coaching staff and Jim Naggy have done a very good 1:20:11.640 --> 1:20:14.559 job in this of They've shown what happens when you 1:20:14.600 --> 1:20:17.200 try to go you know, five tech seven, tech wide 1:20:17.320 --> 1:20:21.360 nine around Tyler Goeyden. You're not running around Tyler Guyden. 1:20:21.560 --> 1:20:24.000 Dude is such a good athlete. He moves so well 1:20:24.320 --> 1:20:27.000 at six seven three twenty eight. You're not running around 1:20:27.000 --> 1:20:28.439 that guy. And they're trying to spin on him and 1:20:28.439 --> 1:20:30.840 this and that, and once he gets his hands on 1:20:30.880 --> 1:20:33.519 you too, you're not getting away. He's too strong, He's 1:20:33.520 --> 1:20:37.960 too big, fast, strong tackles. So I don't know where 1:20:37.960 --> 1:20:41.600 you are Fuanga versus Geyiten. But I think in a 1:20:41.600 --> 1:20:44.439 group that's been good, those who have really stood out 1:20:44.439 --> 1:20:45.400 as the winners. 1:20:46.080 --> 1:20:48.840 I agree. I think Floga is more of the technician. 1:20:49.080 --> 1:20:52.680 You know, he's a little bit more a season than experienced, 1:20:52.720 --> 1:20:55.840 and you can tell that his plan is a little 1:20:55.840 --> 1:20:58.040 bit more developed. I think that's the biggest thing. Whether 1:20:58.120 --> 1:21:01.200 it's pass rushers or tackles, you have to have a 1:21:01.200 --> 1:21:04.680 plan of how you're gonna first, you know, initial contact, 1:21:04.720 --> 1:21:07.760 initial point, at the apex point of the rush, and 1:21:07.920 --> 1:21:10.920 obviously to handle counters as well and in need. There 1:21:10.960 --> 1:21:13.120 are some good edge rushers in this group as well. 1:21:13.200 --> 1:21:16.519 You know late to lat Too from UCLA is gonna 1:21:16.520 --> 1:21:19.839 be a dude like that guy is really good, awesome speed, 1:21:19.920 --> 1:21:22.400 cross chop, all of it. And I think that when 1:21:22.439 --> 1:21:24.880 you face those types of guys, you have to be 1:21:24.880 --> 1:21:27.639 able to have a lot of different ways and bury 1:21:27.720 --> 1:21:30.200 your sets in your hand placement, your usage. I think 1:21:30.200 --> 1:21:32.880 that's more fun. Say his name again, because I'm gonna 1:21:32.880 --> 1:21:38.280 freaking butcher it the whole season. That's more Fuanga's game 1:21:38.520 --> 1:21:42.639 is more technician chess match, you know that sort of thing. 1:21:43.400 --> 1:21:47.120 Tyler Goeyton right now is all raw athleticism and potential. 1:21:47.320 --> 1:21:50.280 I if I was a team that felt really really 1:21:50.280 --> 1:21:53.200 good about my offensive line coach and my offensive line 1:21:53.200 --> 1:21:56.799 coach being able to develop a guy like Tyler Geiton, 1:21:57.160 --> 1:21:59.600 I would draft Tyler Gouyiton in the first round, no 1:21:59.720 --> 1:22:02.680 question ask and hand him off to Dante Scarnaki and 1:22:02.720 --> 1:22:04.920 watch him turn into an all pro, right, Like, I 1:22:05.080 --> 1:22:08.160 really feel he's got that kind of potential. But he's 1:22:08.200 --> 1:22:10.479 a little bit green in terms of his hand placement 1:22:10.560 --> 1:22:12.719 and some of the things I've seen with his set 1:22:12.720 --> 1:22:16.000 points in his pass pro. But he's really really good 1:22:16.360 --> 1:22:20.000 at being patient and understanding, Hey, I can mirror guys. 1:22:20.040 --> 1:22:22.479 I have the footspeed to do this, and I have 1:22:22.600 --> 1:22:25.080 the power and the strength and the body composition to 1:22:25.160 --> 1:22:28.000 just catch guys as well. So I think that he's 1:22:28.000 --> 1:22:30.400 got that ability to be patient, sit back in his 1:22:30.520 --> 1:22:34.559 chair and just mirror guys in past protection. That's gonna 1:22:34.600 --> 1:22:37.280 lend itself really well to the next level. That's number 1:22:37.280 --> 1:22:40.559 one thing then we look at. Also is run blocking 1:22:40.800 --> 1:22:45.360 with Biton Yea, the Yukon guard. I'm begging on his name. 1:22:45.560 --> 1:22:48.519 I'll look it up. Him and the entire guy and 1:22:48.600 --> 1:22:53.080 have had some dominant dominant reps. Christian Haynes, who's from Yukon. 1:22:53.560 --> 1:22:56.120 He's had a nice week down here and he's done 1:22:56.160 --> 1:22:58.519 a great job with Tyler guyon on some double team 1:22:58.560 --> 1:23:01.400 blocks based blocks things like that. That those two guys 1:23:01.400 --> 1:23:04.400 have been moving people on the right side. So both 1:23:04.439 --> 1:23:07.240 these guys are right tackles. You should mention that you 1:23:07.280 --> 1:23:08.120 know they're both these guys. 1:23:08.200 --> 1:23:10.599 So I want to ask you, do you think because 1:23:10.600 --> 1:23:13.080 they asked Suwanga today on NFL Network if I mean, 1:23:13.080 --> 1:23:14.559 obviously he's going to say yes, but they asked him 1:23:14.560 --> 1:23:16.799 about playing left tackle. He said yes. I think Geiton 1:23:17.240 --> 1:23:19.880 he's so raw, he's early in his development. Like, do 1:23:19.920 --> 1:23:25.759 you see either of those guys as potential left tackles. 1:23:27.080 --> 1:23:29.559 I would say Giton more just because of the foot 1:23:29.560 --> 1:23:30.400 speed in the range. 1:23:30.439 --> 1:23:30.560 You know. 1:23:30.600 --> 1:23:33.320 The one thing about playing left tackle, you're facing a 1:23:33.360 --> 1:23:35.559 lot of the same rushers no matter which sides you 1:23:35.640 --> 1:23:39.439 play on. Some guys actually prefer, you know, like if TJ. 1:23:39.560 --> 1:23:41.960 Watt prefers to rush on the right tackle, so like 1:23:42.000 --> 1:23:45.280 you're gonna face high end competition on both sides. But 1:23:45.280 --> 1:23:47.200 I think about left tackle is that you get left 1:23:47.280 --> 1:23:49.760 one on one a whole lot more on the back 1:23:49.800 --> 1:23:52.120 side of pass pro, and so that makes it a 1:23:52.160 --> 1:23:54.800 little bit harder. And I think Geyon is a guy 1:23:54.840 --> 1:23:57.840 that has the athleticism to do that. I don't. I 1:23:57.880 --> 1:24:01.080 think could easily be a left tackel probably too, just 1:24:01.120 --> 1:24:04.240 with his technique and trusting himself over there. But I 1:24:04.280 --> 1:24:06.760 think that he's someone that's been pretty entrenched on the 1:24:06.840 --> 1:24:08.559 right side, and I would leave him over there. 1:24:09.120 --> 1:24:12.040 All right, other guys in this group that have stood out, 1:24:12.320 --> 1:24:14.439 we'll get We'll get to the standouts in a good win. 1:24:14.479 --> 1:24:17.840 And then there's a couple guys who have struggled. So no, 1:24:17.920 --> 1:24:19.519 let's do this. So the rest of that talk group, 1:24:19.520 --> 1:24:22.479 we talked about this coming in Evan, that there's seven 1:24:22.560 --> 1:24:26.679 tackles expected to go somewhere between like twenty and fifty 1:24:27.520 --> 1:24:29.120 six of them were going to be there. That number 1:24:29.160 --> 1:24:32.200 got cut to five. Fatanu from Washington ended up not going, 1:24:32.560 --> 1:24:35.000 So I f Wanga and Geiton were the two guys 1:24:35.000 --> 1:24:39.439 in that group. The other three Kingsley, Sue Mattilla again 1:24:39.479 --> 1:24:43.440 that's the one I'm still working on, Jordan Morgan from Arizona, 1:24:43.800 --> 1:24:48.080 and Patrick Paul from Houston. Those three guys, how have 1:24:48.120 --> 1:24:50.840 they stacked up compared to fu Wanghan Geiton. 1:24:51.920 --> 1:24:54.839 So I would say that Pulanga and Geiton have definitely 1:24:54.840 --> 1:24:58.080 been in their own tier. Yeah, But Patrick Paul is 1:24:58.240 --> 1:25:00.639 just a monster like that. He he is just an 1:25:00.680 --> 1:25:03.720 absolutely large human and I know he's been killing the 1:25:03.760 --> 1:25:06.599 athletic testing here, you know, all like the zebra stuff 1:25:06.600 --> 1:25:10.520 and things like that he's like six seven three thirty. 1:25:10.680 --> 1:25:13.120 I think he has thirty six in charms, which is 1:25:13.160 --> 1:25:14.200 just absolutely. 1:25:13.840 --> 1:25:16.559 Gonna have it right here, six seven three thirty three 1:25:17.840 --> 1:25:21.519 thirty six and two eh in arms, two eighths inch arms, 1:25:21.800 --> 1:25:25.320 eighty six and six eighth wingspan, nine and three eighths hands. 1:25:25.880 --> 1:25:31.240 So a thirty six and two as arm length is 1:25:31.280 --> 1:25:35.200 gonna put him well over the ninetieth percentile at the Yeah. 1:25:35.000 --> 1:25:40.680 He's nobody else. Sua Mattia is at thirty four and 1:25:40.760 --> 1:25:45.960 two eighths. Christian Jones, who's a big guy, is at 1:25:45.960 --> 1:25:48.920 thirty four and seven eighths, but he's also he's about 1:25:48.920 --> 1:25:52.759 the same height. Yeah, nobody else is really over thirty four. 1:25:53.200 --> 1:25:56.040 Ethan Driscoll's at thirty five, but he's six ' nine. 1:25:57.240 --> 1:26:00.400 Yeah, So that he's a big, big dude, and he 1:26:00.439 --> 1:26:02.679 can move and he can move people off the ball. 1:26:03.080 --> 1:26:05.280 I've been pretty impressed with him. He has caught a 1:26:05.320 --> 1:26:07.439 lot of guys and been bull rushed a little bit 1:26:08.000 --> 1:26:10.280 in pass protection. He plays a little bit tall, and 1:26:10.560 --> 1:26:13.519 you know, his flexibility and his lowers isn't great. That 1:26:13.560 --> 1:26:15.519 would be the one knock I would have on him. 1:26:15.960 --> 1:26:18.960 Sue Matia has been ex like, that's exactly what a 1:26:19.000 --> 1:26:23.559 Patriots right tackle looks like. Typically, wide body can't get 1:26:23.600 --> 1:26:25.960 through him get a move people in the run game, 1:26:26.400 --> 1:26:28.960 like if they're looking at it and saying, we just 1:26:29.040 --> 1:26:31.240 want somebody that we're gonna plug and play as a 1:26:31.280 --> 1:26:34.759 starter and not necessarily thinking about let's get the higher 1:26:34.840 --> 1:26:38.200 upside left tackle taking. I think Sue Matia coming in 1:26:38.240 --> 1:26:41.200 as the right tackle would would easily be able to 1:26:41.200 --> 1:26:44.240 hold down that position in their traditional schemes, like if 1:26:44.280 --> 1:26:46.160 they're going to be a downhill run team still and 1:26:46.200 --> 1:26:49.320 not going outside zone or anything like that. If it's 1:26:49.320 --> 1:26:52.960 like Kayley, then I think that Sue Matia I fits 1:26:52.960 --> 1:26:55.720 that bill perfectly for what they usually like on the 1:26:55.800 --> 1:26:59.160 right side. I've been impressed with the kid from Texas, 1:26:59.439 --> 1:27:03.800 Christian Joe Zones. He's a big tackle too, but he 1:27:03.880 --> 1:27:07.200 moves well. He's got great hand placement, really a good 1:27:07.280 --> 1:27:12.479 inside strike to leverage blocks and control engagements with his hands. Yeah, 1:27:12.520 --> 1:27:14.679 I think that he can play and uh and I'm 1:27:14.680 --> 1:27:16.720 intrigued by him too. I think, you know, I looked 1:27:16.760 --> 1:27:18.920 at the art consensus board that we used Alex and 1:27:18.960 --> 1:27:22.120 he was like an early Day three guy, like a 1:27:22.160 --> 1:27:25.360 fourth round projection. I think he might be playing himself 1:27:25.400 --> 1:27:28.120 into the into the third round conversation here this week. 1:27:28.160 --> 1:27:30.880 So think about Christian Jones. I've kind of called him 1:27:30.920 --> 1:27:35.160 like a Day three Trent Brown. A lot of penalties, yeah, 1:27:35.240 --> 1:27:38.040 a lot of penalties. And he's probably only he could 1:27:38.040 --> 1:27:39.439 see on the right side. 1:27:40.320 --> 1:27:42.840 Yeah, So he he likes to really grip guys like 1:27:42.840 --> 1:27:46.240 with his hands, and so if guys feel that, then 1:27:46.280 --> 1:27:49.719 they might try to like move like, you know, quickly, 1:27:49.800 --> 1:27:51.960 like to the left or right, and then it looks 1:27:51.960 --> 1:27:54.960 like holding. So I could see that. But he he's 1:27:55.000 --> 1:27:57.400 got really good inside hand placement. Like a lot of 1:27:57.439 --> 1:27:59.160 these guys and we'll talk about a few of them 1:27:59.800 --> 1:28:03.280 on on the con side or the downside. A lot 1:28:03.320 --> 1:28:05.680 of these guys, you can tell, just really struggle with 1:28:05.720 --> 1:28:08.479 their hand placement, and they got wide hands. They're like 1:28:08.600 --> 1:28:11.680 bear hugging people. They're touching them like this. And I 1:28:11.840 --> 1:28:13.880 the one thing I'll give Christian Jones is I think 1:28:13.880 --> 1:28:17.360 he's got a really good inward, like proper strike in 1:28:17.400 --> 1:28:20.160 between the shoulder blades that's done a good job of 1:28:20.280 --> 1:28:22.240 latching onto guys and controlling things. 1:28:22.280 --> 1:28:24.640 I've been impressed with his footwork. He's lost it a 1:28:24.680 --> 1:28:27.519 couple times, but I think upper body he's really good. 1:28:27.560 --> 1:28:30.800 When he struggled in college, it was lower body. It 1:28:30.880 --> 1:28:33.559 was his feet maybe getting narrow, or just him not 1:28:33.600 --> 1:28:36.679 getting into his set quickly enough and lowering his anchor 1:28:36.760 --> 1:28:38.639 quickly enough. I think he's done a really good job 1:28:38.640 --> 1:28:41.640 of that this week. So that's something where again you 1:28:41.680 --> 1:28:43.439 talk about he's moving up boards. By the way, I 1:28:43.439 --> 1:28:46.559 looked at up Patrick Paul has the wings span of 1:28:46.560 --> 1:28:51.759 somebody who is seven foot three. Yeah, and he's sing seven. 1:28:51.960 --> 1:28:55.439 So he's another one of those guys that if again 1:28:55.960 --> 1:28:59.080 Sam similar to Tyler Dighton. Yeah, if you feel really 1:28:59.080 --> 1:29:01.840 good about coaching, and you feel good about your line coach, 1:29:01.880 --> 1:29:03.519 and you think that you can just hand this guy 1:29:03.600 --> 1:29:07.200 off to you know, somebody, and you know Bill Callahan 1:29:07.240 --> 1:29:09.719 and Cleveland is just gonna turn this guy into a stud, 1:29:10.320 --> 1:29:12.479 then I would draft both those guys. 1:29:12.479 --> 1:29:14.840 Well, you put Patrick Paul on one side, Dawan Jones 1:29:14.840 --> 1:29:17.559 on the other. Cleveland, Yeah, I mean, look, good luck 1:29:17.560 --> 1:29:19.760 getting around the edge. A couple more depth guys I 1:29:19.760 --> 1:29:21.960 thought were good. Javon Foster for Missouri had a really 1:29:22.040 --> 1:29:24.439 nice day yesterday. Took a little bit of a step 1:29:24.479 --> 1:29:26.400 back today, but I thought he was good. And then 1:29:26.479 --> 1:29:30.840 Roger Rosengarten, who would still imprinted in my brain what 1:29:31.479 --> 1:29:35.080 him just getting beat like a Drummond National Championship. He's 1:29:35.080 --> 1:29:37.680 been good, and the interesting thing about him is he 1:29:37.800 --> 1:29:40.519 was a right tackle at Washington, but he was a 1:29:40.600 --> 1:29:44.639 right tackle for a lefty quarterback, so he has that 1:29:44.680 --> 1:29:47.800 blindside experience and he's gone against a lot of great 1:29:47.840 --> 1:29:50.640 edge rushers. So those two guys stood out. And then 1:29:50.640 --> 1:29:51.800 the one guy. I don't know if you have any 1:29:51.840 --> 1:29:53.439 thoughts on them, but the one guy wanted to ask 1:29:53.520 --> 1:29:55.960 you about because they haven't shown him a ton on 1:29:56.040 --> 1:29:59.960 TV for whatever reason. Ethan Driscoll from Marshall. I'll be honest, 1:30:00.080 --> 1:30:02.200 he wasn't totally on my radar coming into this. And 1:30:02.240 --> 1:30:05.000 then I heard them say, you know, you see guys 1:30:05.040 --> 1:30:07.800 measure in in college at six ' nine and then 1:30:07.840 --> 1:30:09.839 they get to this event and they do the official 1:30:09.880 --> 1:30:13.040 way and they're like six seven and whatever, uh six 1:30:13.160 --> 1:30:16.880 eight three twelve thirty six inch arms Ethan Driscoll. I 1:30:17.320 --> 1:30:19.040 don't know how's he looked. Again. I haven't gotten to 1:30:19.080 --> 1:30:20.720 see much of him, but you know, six ' eight 1:30:20.840 --> 1:30:22.800 is who's the guy last year from Baylor at the 1:30:22.800 --> 1:30:24.840 Shrine Bowl that we saw, and he was just so 1:30:25.000 --> 1:30:28.920 much bigger than everybody else under Galvin. Yeah, and I 1:30:28.920 --> 1:30:30.559 think he ended up like sticking around the league, at 1:30:30.600 --> 1:30:32.920 least as a rookie. He's just so much bigger than 1:30:32.920 --> 1:30:35.559 everybody else. You can't help but see him. 1:30:35.960 --> 1:30:38.679 That's a good comp I would say. For what I've 1:30:38.680 --> 1:30:39.160 seen him. 1:30:39.080 --> 1:30:42.040 Drisk Gallon's on the lines, he stuck around, So. 1:30:42.680 --> 1:30:45.800 Yeah, I worry about those guys almost being too tall 1:30:46.120 --> 1:30:49.360 because of the leverage battle and the pad level and 1:30:49.400 --> 1:30:52.480 all that kind of stuff. I remember talking to Sebastian 1:30:52.520 --> 1:30:56.000 Volmer and I he said that Nate's older is a 1:30:56.000 --> 1:30:59.640 great player, but Nates older was almost too tall for 1:30:59.680 --> 1:31:02.960 his own good, where he just had so much height 1:31:03.400 --> 1:31:06.920 that he just was never the lower guy in any engagement. 1:31:06.960 --> 1:31:09.160 And I feel like that was what I've seen a 1:31:09.200 --> 1:31:12.240 little bit from Driscoll is just a struggle of you know, 1:31:12.360 --> 1:31:15.400 leverage and guys getting underneath him. But he's a big 1:31:15.439 --> 1:31:18.360 guy and he moves pretty well on run blocks from 1:31:18.400 --> 1:31:21.240 what I've seen too. So someone that I have definitely 1:31:21.400 --> 1:31:24.680 jotted down to look at a little bit closer. Not 1:31:25.920 --> 1:31:28.960 a top one hundred player by any means, but somebody 1:31:28.960 --> 1:31:31.400 that might be available later on in the draft. 1:31:31.439 --> 1:31:33.880 All right, so we talked about that talk group. It 1:31:33.920 --> 1:31:36.639 feels like most of them have delivered. I know you're 1:31:36.640 --> 1:31:38.680 not high on Jordan Morgan. I think he struggled. He 1:31:38.760 --> 1:31:40.880 might be a guard in where you're at with we'll 1:31:40.880 --> 1:31:42.240 call him Kingsley from BYU. 1:31:43.880 --> 1:31:47.680 Yeah, so I would say Jordan Morgan. The couple of 1:31:47.680 --> 1:31:50.000 things that I have seen from him on the positive 1:31:50.080 --> 1:31:53.640 side have been like his ability to kick out in 1:31:53.680 --> 1:31:56.600 the run game or work up in time up to 1:31:56.680 --> 1:31:59.519 the second level in the run game, which typically when 1:31:59.560 --> 1:32:02.599 you see that those two things, you think that's more 1:32:02.640 --> 1:32:06.519 translatable to inside play, like yeah, guard right, you know 1:32:06.560 --> 1:32:09.879 you're a better run blocker. You're good in confined areas, 1:32:10.000 --> 1:32:12.519 you're good in the phone booth, like play a guard 1:32:12.760 --> 1:32:15.240 when he gets out in space. I was mentioning hand 1:32:15.240 --> 1:32:17.519 placement things like that. The one thing that you see 1:32:17.600 --> 1:32:19.760 with his hands is he carries them wide and he 1:32:19.840 --> 1:32:22.400 carries them low, which is not what you want to do, right, 1:32:22.439 --> 1:32:26.360 You want your hands up. I remember talking to Adrian 1:32:26.400 --> 1:32:29.559 Clem last year and he said, your your chest is everything, right, 1:32:29.600 --> 1:32:32.479 Like if you give up your chest in past protection 1:32:32.600 --> 1:32:34.960 as a as alignment, you're you're going to have a 1:32:35.000 --> 1:32:38.000 long day. It's really difficult if you can't control your 1:32:38.080 --> 1:32:39.960 chest and keep your chest out your guys out of 1:32:40.000 --> 1:32:42.439 your your frame. And I look at a guy like 1:32:42.560 --> 1:32:44.840 Jordan Morgan and I think he's struggled with doing that 1:32:45.040 --> 1:32:47.679 a little bit in these practices. But he does run 1:32:47.720 --> 1:32:50.040 block really well. And he's also measured in with shorter 1:32:50.200 --> 1:32:53.559 arms and expected over under three or three inches. So 1:32:53.600 --> 1:32:56.040 maybe he's someone that ends up translating to guard, like 1:32:56.040 --> 1:32:57.880 if you put him at guard in like an outside 1:32:57.960 --> 1:33:00.879 zone scheme, I think he'd be really good there tackle. 1:33:01.000 --> 1:33:02.520 I'm not so sold. 1:33:02.280 --> 1:33:05.439 On any other thought. I think we talked about pretty 1:33:05.520 --> 1:33:07.360 much everybody. I know there are some guys that are 1:33:07.400 --> 1:33:09.799 like a late scratch from the roster, but I think. 1:33:09.680 --> 1:33:13.360 Yeah, we talked a little bit about Kingsleys right with 1:33:13.560 --> 1:33:16.720 talks to the BYU guy a little bit again. I yeah, 1:33:16.760 --> 1:33:19.439 I think that he's, you know, wide body, someone that 1:33:19.439 --> 1:33:21.799 would be really a fit for them at ride tackle 1:33:21.840 --> 1:33:24.679 if they want to stick with that typical Marcus Cannon, 1:33:24.800 --> 1:33:27.960 Mike on WNU. You know that type of body type. 1:33:29.240 --> 1:33:31.439 So let me ask you this. A lot of people 1:33:31.439 --> 1:33:32.800 and I know he got hurt today. I don't know 1:33:32.800 --> 1:33:36.479 if you've heard any update on this. Jackson Powers Johnson, 1:33:36.680 --> 1:33:40.080 center from Oregon looks. I mean, he's going to be 1:33:40.080 --> 1:33:41.519 a top ten center in the league for most of 1:33:41.560 --> 1:33:44.040 his career, if not top five. He's a hell of 1:33:44.120 --> 1:33:46.960 a player. Probably he should end up al a first 1:33:47.040 --> 1:33:48.960 round pick. He's projected a little lower right now. I 1:33:49.000 --> 1:33:51.160 think he's gonna come away from this week with some 1:33:51.160 --> 1:33:53.160 first round buzz and a lot of Some people have 1:33:53.240 --> 1:33:56.240 said as good as uh Fuanga's been, as good as 1:33:56.240 --> 1:33:58.559 Tyler Guiten's been, that, Jackson Powers Johnson has been the 1:33:58.560 --> 1:34:02.360 best lineman and mobile. So some people here say some 1:34:02.400 --> 1:34:04.120 people hear that and say, well, what if the Patriots 1:34:04.160 --> 1:34:07.439 drafted him and moved him to tackle. I wouldn't. I 1:34:07.520 --> 1:34:09.000 there's good tackles. 1:34:08.600 --> 1:34:11.760 In the draft. Does he have the trades to do that. 1:34:11.920 --> 1:34:14.240 No, he's under at the arm size. But I think 1:34:14.240 --> 1:34:16.599 some people just here for the people who maybe aren't 1:34:16.600 --> 1:34:19.679 as familiar with how this works, who just hear, oh, hey, 1:34:19.880 --> 1:34:21.720 you know this guy's really good, Let's draft him, kick 1:34:21.760 --> 1:34:26.360 him outside. Could he play guard? Yeah? Probably he'd be 1:34:26.360 --> 1:34:28.559 great on the Patriots. I think having a good center 1:34:28.600 --> 1:34:30.240 is valuable, but you're gonna need to use a first 1:34:30.280 --> 1:34:32.360 round pick to get him. They have a good center 1:34:32.360 --> 1:34:35.120 in David Andrews. They invested a decently high draftic in 1:34:35.120 --> 1:34:39.240 the center last year, and Jake Andrews tremendous player. And 1:34:39.240 --> 1:34:41.679 then I say this a lot, even if the players good, 1:34:42.120 --> 1:34:43.800 when you draft the player, there's gonna be a plan. 1:34:44.240 --> 1:34:47.360 How's he gonna contribute, Especially you're drafting guy that high. 1:34:47.720 --> 1:34:49.439 I don't know what the plan is on jack You're 1:34:49.439 --> 1:34:52.200 you're gonna sit him behind David Andrews where I guess 1:34:52.240 --> 1:34:55.360 if Andrews retires, you're gonna make that You're It's nothing 1:34:55.400 --> 1:34:57.160 against David Andrews, but I don't know that center can 1:34:57.160 --> 1:34:59.640 be their number one priority. I just don't see the 1:34:59.680 --> 1:35:02.639 path to Jackson powers Johnson and the Patriots happening. 1:35:03.840 --> 1:35:07.200 No, absolutely not. But he's been fantastic. He's been the 1:35:07.240 --> 1:35:11.120 best lineman by far. I would say down here, and 1:35:11.479 --> 1:35:17.560 he's just the how just kind of powerful and compact, 1:35:17.680 --> 1:35:23.519 and he was named unreal. Unreal just kind of like 1:35:23.960 --> 1:35:28.599 ability to redirect with power and the ability to mirror guys. 1:35:28.600 --> 1:35:31.120 When I say redirect, you know mirror pass rushers on 1:35:31.160 --> 1:35:34.280 the inside, but to do it with like powerful strides 1:35:34.320 --> 1:35:36.760 and like knock guys off off their rail and things 1:35:36.800 --> 1:35:39.479 like that. He had a one on one matchup with 1:35:39.720 --> 1:35:42.000 Michael Hall from Ohio State, who's probably one of the 1:35:42.040 --> 1:35:45.200 best interior rushers in the in the Senior Bowl this year, 1:35:45.560 --> 1:35:48.720 and just absolutely shut him down, not only shut down 1:35:48.760 --> 1:35:51.080 the initial move, but then shut down the counter and 1:35:51.240 --> 1:35:54.240 just watching the quick you know, ability to move side 1:35:54.280 --> 1:35:56.720 to side and things like that. It's impressive. He's going 1:35:56.800 --> 1:35:59.080 to be a really good player for a long time, 1:35:59.200 --> 1:36:01.040 just not not for the Patriots. 1:36:01.320 --> 1:36:03.720 All right. I think that pretty much covers offense. We 1:36:03.960 --> 1:36:06.240 didn't really talk about, I guess outside of Powers Johnson, 1:36:06.240 --> 1:36:09.840 any interior offensive lineman, nobody's really stood out to me 1:36:09.920 --> 1:36:13.479 as that. You know. I like the kid eq Wacoun 1:36:13.560 --> 1:36:17.120 from Florida just because he plays nasty, but yeah he does. 1:36:17.360 --> 1:36:20.719 He's grab him in the seventh round, grabbing his UDFA 1:36:21.479 --> 1:36:25.759 interior line depth. Great. Are you good on that that front? 1:36:25.760 --> 1:36:27.599 The offensive front? I do want to talk about defense 1:36:27.600 --> 1:36:28.280 a little bit here. 1:36:29.280 --> 1:36:33.400 Yeah, just quickly though. Ben Sinnett from Kansas City, Oh. 1:36:33.280 --> 1:36:35.599 That's right, we're gonna come back to tight ends. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1:36:36.360 --> 1:36:39.200 He's been pretty good. I've been intrigued by him. I 1:36:39.240 --> 1:36:41.000 think you can get open. I think he catches the 1:36:41.000 --> 1:36:43.040 ball well and then you can block a little bit, 1:36:43.160 --> 1:36:47.559 can play some fullback linemans. Yeah, I'm intrigued. I don't 1:36:47.600 --> 1:36:49.200 love this tight end class. 1:36:49.640 --> 1:36:53.280 Oh this is not good class. None of the not 1:36:53.360 --> 1:36:54.519 a lot of them are at the or do you 1:36:54.560 --> 1:36:55.639 just mean the Senior Bowl group? 1:36:57.080 --> 1:37:01.640 I just mean, like so yeah, Brockauer, right, obviously, but 1:37:01.760 --> 1:37:05.320 let's just you have Brack Bowers, and you have Jatavian Sanders, 1:37:05.680 --> 1:37:08.880 the kid from Texas at the Shrine Bowl, and then 1:37:08.960 --> 1:37:11.720 what like then everything else is probably you're talking about 1:37:11.800 --> 1:37:13.439 late day three. No, I don't know. 1:37:13.439 --> 1:37:16.080 I think Cade Stover could be a top one hundred pick. 1:37:16.360 --> 1:37:19.080 I think Dalen Hawker from Colorado State is a guy 1:37:19.120 --> 1:37:21.360 that could maybe play a little bit. He's gonna go 1:37:21.400 --> 1:37:23.840 middle of day three. I like Jared Wiley. I know 1:37:23.880 --> 1:37:25.120 he had a rough day to day. I thought he 1:37:25.160 --> 1:37:26.960 had a good day yesterday. But I think he's like 1:37:27.040 --> 1:37:30.240 a decent project tight end. I want to ask you 1:37:30.280 --> 1:37:31.800 about some of these guys because they're not showing him 1:37:31.800 --> 1:37:33.960 a ton on TV. So I guess, I. 1:37:33.880 --> 1:37:36.320 Guess maybe it's just compared to you know, you're coming 1:37:36.360 --> 1:37:40.000 off last year. It's just it's not quite class. 1:37:40.520 --> 1:37:43.280 No, But I wouldn't say it's that it's better than 1:37:43.280 --> 1:37:45.360 that twenty twenty class that was like cole Comet and 1:37:45.400 --> 1:37:46.000 then nobody. 1:37:46.800 --> 1:37:50.360 Yeah, I agree, especially when you have black Bowers in 1:37:50.360 --> 1:37:52.120 the class like obviously, but even't like, I. 1:37:52.720 --> 1:37:54.840 Think there's a couple of NFL starters here. Maybe not 1:37:55.320 --> 1:37:57.719 you know, pro bowlers, but I think there's a couple 1:37:57.680 --> 1:38:00.240 of NFL starters here. Uh So you mentioned Senate, who's 1:38:00.280 --> 1:38:01.960 kind of that you know, they're throwing Kyle used Check 1:38:02.000 --> 1:38:04.000 around left and right when they're talking about him, and 1:38:04.280 --> 1:38:08.040 oh really yeah, if that surprising, I see, I. 1:38:07.960 --> 1:38:11.760 See, uh yeah a little bit because I love use check. 1:38:12.160 --> 1:38:14.519 We all love the use check. But I think Senate's 1:38:14.560 --> 1:38:16.960 a little bit more of like a pure receiving tight 1:38:17.080 --> 1:38:18.920 end than the use check is. Like, I think he's 1:38:18.920 --> 1:38:22.040 got a little bit more uh new. I just kind 1:38:22.040 --> 1:38:24.320 of I don't look at you as used Check as 1:38:24.320 --> 1:38:26.519 the guy that really you're going to run like routes 1:38:26.520 --> 1:38:29.040 from a tight end alignment. And and but. 1:38:29.320 --> 1:38:31.439 I think, you know, Senate's a guy that can give 1:38:31.479 --> 1:38:35.920 you some of those full back h back type, which 1:38:36.280 --> 1:38:37.840 so here's what I'm saying. If the Patriots are going 1:38:37.920 --> 1:38:41.479 to go McVeigh and they need their Kyle used check 1:38:42.320 --> 1:38:45.200 Ben Sinnett. I think you could say could be the guy. 1:38:45.800 --> 1:38:47.120 I don't know, Am I wrong there? 1:38:48.000 --> 1:38:48.080 No? 1:38:48.360 --> 1:38:52.559 And he he had a run block today that had 1:38:52.600 --> 1:38:56.360 the whole UH team, you know, I was the whole 1:38:56.360 --> 1:38:59.479 American team just going crazy and dapping him up for 1:38:59.640 --> 1:39:02.479 it and like that. So he can definitely block. And 1:39:02.479 --> 1:39:04.240 I think he's caught the ball pretty well down here 1:39:04.280 --> 1:39:04.599 as well. 1:39:04.680 --> 1:39:06.559 So the other guy I like in that kind of role, 1:39:06.920 --> 1:39:10.559 and he's I try not to be a sizest in 1:39:10.640 --> 1:39:12.519 terms of players, Like if a player is good and 1:39:12.560 --> 1:39:15.880 he's big enough, the one position of the sizes is 1:39:15.920 --> 1:39:17.559 tight end, I play mad. And if I see a 1:39:17.560 --> 1:39:19.160 tight ends under six to five, I want nothing to 1:39:19.200 --> 1:39:23.439 do with him. But Jaheim bell As that kind of 1:39:23.560 --> 1:39:27.000 moved tight end. I just his athleticism and they have 1:39:27.000 --> 1:39:28.439 even shown him a ton on TV. So this is 1:39:28.439 --> 1:39:32.000 again right, need you at Florida State, his athleticism jumped 1:39:32.000 --> 1:39:35.439 off the charts. He can play true tight end. He 1:39:35.520 --> 1:39:38.320 played a little like slot receiver kind of role. We 1:39:38.479 --> 1:39:41.439 saw him at the I did see briefly today they 1:39:41.439 --> 1:39:43.720 were using him from a full back alignment. What have 1:39:43.760 --> 1:39:45.320 you thought of him as that kind of player? 1:39:46.320 --> 1:39:49.600 Yeah, he hasn't really done much that stood out. You know. 1:39:49.640 --> 1:39:52.320 It's really been a lot of Senate on the American team, 1:39:52.360 --> 1:39:54.120 and then the national team has been a lot of 1:39:54.120 --> 1:39:56.720 THEO Johnson from Penn State. Like those are the two 1:39:56.760 --> 1:39:59.320 guys that have really stood out in terms of catching 1:39:59.360 --> 1:40:01.400 the football. So I can't say I've seen a ton 1:40:01.439 --> 1:40:03.400 of bell, you know. THEO john I think is a 1:40:03.400 --> 1:40:05.479 guy though, that can run. You know, he's they keep 1:40:05.520 --> 1:40:07.720 on putting up his like zebra numbers and stuff on 1:40:07.760 --> 1:40:10.200 the scoreboard. He's a fast guy to n killed time 1:40:10.200 --> 1:40:12.519 well in the forty for a tight end, and he 1:40:12.560 --> 1:40:17.920 can move a little bit. I think, guy, Yeah, and 1:40:17.960 --> 1:40:20.400 I do. I agree with you on Wiley. By the way, 1:40:20.560 --> 1:40:23.920 I actually very rare for me. I actually saw Wiley 1:40:24.080 --> 1:40:26.760 live right because I went to that TCU game when 1:40:26.760 --> 1:40:29.519 we were down there in Dallas and I was like, oh, 1:40:29.640 --> 1:40:32.479 you know, I said to our good friend Bradley Amos. 1:40:32.520 --> 1:40:34.640 I was like, Hey, who is this this tight end 1:40:34.640 --> 1:40:35.559 that you you forget? 1:40:35.640 --> 1:40:38.120 Actually when you were watching Colorado when you were locked 1:40:38.160 --> 1:40:40.519 in the early days of Colorado and they played TCU. 1:40:40.600 --> 1:40:42.759 I remember you text me, who's this tight end for TCU? 1:40:42.880 --> 1:40:45.760 So maybe that was before we went to the game. 1:40:45.880 --> 1:40:47.120 It was Yeah, it was like the first week of 1:40:47.120 --> 1:40:48.679 the year. But a couple of times you've kind. 1:40:48.479 --> 1:40:51.680 Of yeah, yeah, he can play a little bit. I'm mean, 1:40:51.800 --> 1:40:52.760 I'm intrigued by him. 1:40:52.880 --> 1:40:55.360 The one other guy I'll ask you about. And I 1:40:55.360 --> 1:41:00.280 don't know that this guy has like tight end one offside, 1:41:00.479 --> 1:41:05.599 but as a really good red zone run game, specially 1:41:05.600 --> 1:41:07.400 Pharaoh Brown, I think would be a good comp for 1:41:07.439 --> 1:41:09.920 me for this guy. And like I said, sizes to 1:41:10.000 --> 1:41:14.160 tight end. Six foot seven, two hundred sixty seven pound 1:41:14.280 --> 1:41:18.560 Brevin span Ford for Minnesota. You really haven't shown a 1:41:18.560 --> 1:41:20.240 lot of him. I know he had one nice catch today. 1:41:20.280 --> 1:41:25.200 But if the Patriots don't re sign Pharaoh Brown, can 1:41:25.240 --> 1:41:28.280 you go and get Brevin's span Ford late on day 1:41:28.320 --> 1:41:31.000 three to be just that kind of maller tight end. 1:41:31.400 --> 1:41:32.439 You'll catch a pass or two. 1:41:32.640 --> 1:41:37.040 Yeah, I agree. I definitely can see that. And you 1:41:37.120 --> 1:41:38.960 watch him and line up at the end of the 1:41:38.960 --> 1:41:41.080 line and it looks like he's another tackle, Like he's 1:41:41.160 --> 1:41:43.559 like that that type of size, and sometimes you have 1:41:43.640 --> 1:41:45.519 to do a double take and be like, oh wait, 1:41:45.520 --> 1:41:48.720 there's there's six guys lined up, not just five. So 1:41:48.760 --> 1:41:51.000 he's a big dude and he can definitely block, and 1:41:51.760 --> 1:41:54.639 that's something you know. Look, and the tight ends in need. 1:41:55.040 --> 1:41:57.880 It's in need on the board for the Patriots, they 1:41:57.880 --> 1:42:00.519 have nobody signed. I think they'll probably bring back Hunter 1:42:00.600 --> 1:42:03.200 Henry in some way, shape or form, but in general, 1:42:03.280 --> 1:42:05.599 it's in need. And I also just look at their 1:42:05.680 --> 1:42:08.360 run game last year in particular, but even a little 1:42:08.400 --> 1:42:11.720 bit in twenty two. They struggled, I think at the 1:42:11.760 --> 1:42:14.160 tight end position with blocking at the point of attack, 1:42:14.200 --> 1:42:16.439 and I think it really hurt what they were able 1:42:16.439 --> 1:42:19.400 to do from a run game perspective. So I'm all 1:42:19.479 --> 1:42:23.080 for trying to upgrade not just the pass catching ability 1:42:23.640 --> 1:42:25.360 because I think they did get a little bit out 1:42:25.360 --> 1:42:27.960 of those guys as pass catchers. It's more about the 1:42:28.120 --> 1:42:29.879 run blocking for me at that position. 1:42:30.160 --> 1:42:31.280 All right, I am going to make you talk a 1:42:31.280 --> 1:42:34.960 little defense. You ready, Yeah, Yeah, let's start with the 1:42:35.200 --> 1:42:37.400 one position that I think we both agree if there 1:42:37.479 --> 1:42:40.960 is a need, not first round, not even top fifty, 1:42:41.280 --> 1:42:44.000 but if you're gonna flirt with defense in the top 1:42:44.000 --> 1:42:45.920 one hundred. Maybe you make the pick at sixty eight 1:42:45.920 --> 1:42:48.000 and then trade back in the third round. Something like that, 1:42:48.800 --> 1:42:53.280 A real free safety like actually going out and getting 1:42:53.280 --> 1:42:56.439 a potential Devin mccordy replacement. You know how much I 1:42:56.479 --> 1:42:59.000 love Cameron Kitchens, and I know he's there. I think 1:42:59.040 --> 1:43:01.720 that I'm playing some linebacker today too, which which is 1:43:01.880 --> 1:43:05.120 fascinating to me. But the guy I have circled is 1:43:05.120 --> 1:43:08.479 is George's Javon Bullard? And what if you thought of him? 1:43:08.560 --> 1:43:10.519 And is there anybody else who stood out? There's been 1:43:10.560 --> 1:43:13.599 some there's some interesting box safeties there, ol Adopo from 1:43:13.600 --> 1:43:17.360 Oregon State, Josh Proctor from Ohio State. But I've really 1:43:17.400 --> 1:43:21.160 liked Bullard. One other sleeper free safety, Evan Williams from Oregon, 1:43:21.240 --> 1:43:23.200 has popped a little bit for me. But what have 1:43:23.240 --> 1:43:25.800 you thought of those guys or any other potential Devin 1:43:25.880 --> 1:43:26.960 mccordy like safeties. 1:43:28.120 --> 1:43:30.800 Well, it kind of stinks because these quarterbacks, and I 1:43:31.160 --> 1:43:33.360 think we talked about at the time, just off the 1:43:33.439 --> 1:43:37.320 context for so different. There hasn't been a whole lot 1:43:36.640 --> 1:43:40.439 of of deep balls thrown in these two practices. There 1:43:40.520 --> 1:43:42.320 just hasn't been a ton of testing the ball down 1:43:42.400 --> 1:43:45.880 the field. So I haven't necessarily noticed their ball skills 1:43:46.200 --> 1:43:49.080 all that much, but just listening to some people around 1:43:49.120 --> 1:43:51.479 me and some of the scouts that are here, there 1:43:51.760 --> 1:43:53.800 is a lot of talk about how some of these 1:43:53.840 --> 1:43:56.080 guys do maybe favor a little bit more of the 1:43:56.120 --> 1:43:59.240 box safety types. It just seems like that's becoming so 1:43:59.360 --> 1:44:02.400 much more regular in the college game. They play so 1:44:02.439 --> 1:44:05.599 much split safety, so it's more like left and right 1:44:05.640 --> 1:44:08.320 than it is like true free and strong safety nowadays, 1:44:08.760 --> 1:44:10.200 So you have to be able to do a little 1:44:10.240 --> 1:44:12.519 bit of everything, you know, like a Kyle Duggart type 1:44:12.600 --> 1:44:15.040 or things like that. But I would say the best 1:44:15.040 --> 1:44:18.200 center fielder is probably your guy Bullard right now that 1:44:18.320 --> 1:44:22.360 I have seen. But I know it's not a major 1:44:22.880 --> 1:44:27.799 need for the Patriots necessarily, but there are those two corners, 1:44:28.080 --> 1:44:31.000 you know, Mitchell and cam Hart can really really play. 1:44:31.120 --> 1:44:34.920 Cam harten ma very good. I mean, Mitchell's been good, 1:44:34.920 --> 1:44:37.040 but he's first round pick, you know, he's good. Although 1:44:37.040 --> 1:44:39.080 I will say this, so I wanted to talk about 1:44:39.080 --> 1:44:41.640 Mitchell and I had this kind of little intro. The 1:44:41.680 --> 1:44:44.400 biggest development for the Patriots that has nothing to do 1:44:44.439 --> 1:44:47.400 with the Patriots this week has been the play of 1:44:47.479 --> 1:44:49.920 queny and Mitchell because the Patriots are not gonna take 1:44:50.000 --> 1:44:51.760 Quinny and Mitchell in the first round. I don't think 1:44:51.760 --> 1:44:53.479 they're gonna take Quinia Mitchell in the first round. Wouldn't 1:44:53.479 --> 1:44:55.679 make a lot of sense. But yeah, you know, coming 1:44:55.720 --> 1:44:57.840 from Toledo, coming from the mac, how does he match 1:44:57.920 --> 1:44:59.960 up against some of the you know, power five receiver 1:45:00.200 --> 1:45:02.280 And that was a question is he really a first 1:45:02.360 --> 1:45:04.000 round pick or is he gonna need some time to 1:45:04.040 --> 1:45:05.960 adjust and is he is he a second round pick? 1:45:06.439 --> 1:45:09.360 Quinnyan Mitchell moving up draft boards is good news for 1:45:09.400 --> 1:45:14.120 the Patriots because if he's going twenty twenty one, twenty two, like, 1:45:14.360 --> 1:45:17.800 that's the prime range for tackles. So it's pushing it 1:45:18.000 --> 1:45:21.720 some tackle because a guy like Quinyan Mitchell is showing out, 1:45:21.880 --> 1:45:23.559 is gonna fall down the board a little bit. So 1:45:24.320 --> 1:45:26.599 I've been watching Quinyan Mitchell through that lens, but he's 1:45:26.600 --> 1:45:29.840 been that dude can play. He's like six ' three right, 1:45:30.160 --> 1:45:35.400 and he's got speed and just really good understanding of 1:45:35.400 --> 1:45:37.519 what wide receivers are trying to do to him. I 1:45:37.520 --> 1:45:41.720 think he truly understands the approach to route running and 1:45:41.800 --> 1:45:43.519 he's been he's been a ton of fun to watch. 1:45:44.479 --> 1:45:46.840 I think he's been you can make the case. I mean, 1:45:46.880 --> 1:45:49.920 he's definitely on the in the he definitely is podiuming 1:45:49.960 --> 1:45:52.559 in this category. He's top three for sure. I think 1:45:52.640 --> 1:45:54.240 you can make the case that he's been the best 1:45:54.240 --> 1:45:58.240 player on the field so far this week. He's been phenomenal. 1:45:58.280 --> 1:46:03.560 I mean, his coverage ability is off the charts, sticky, competitive, physical, 1:46:03.800 --> 1:46:07.839 great ball skills, great route anticipation like this the whole gamut. 1:46:08.040 --> 1:46:10.120 And Cam Hart from Notre Dame has been pretty good 1:46:10.120 --> 1:46:12.400 as well. And I think that cam Hart is somebody 1:46:12.439 --> 1:46:15.040 that they could maybe get on Day two of the draft. 1:46:15.080 --> 1:46:17.519 I don't think he's the first round guy, so maybe 1:46:17.560 --> 1:46:19.680 you get him a little bit later. We've talked so 1:46:19.760 --> 1:46:24.280 much about the Jason mccordy, you know, third corner. You know, 1:46:24.320 --> 1:46:25.920 you probably are going to go into next year with 1:46:26.000 --> 1:46:29.559 Christian Zales and Jonathan Jones pretty locked into top two 1:46:29.600 --> 1:46:32.760 corner spots. But Jonathan Jones ideally is you know that 1:46:32.880 --> 1:46:36.440 move slot corner, you know, shadowing z's and slot receivers 1:46:36.479 --> 1:46:38.400 and stuff like that. So who's going to be the 1:46:38.439 --> 1:46:40.840 other guy on the perimeter. Is it Alex Austin, is 1:46:40.880 --> 1:46:44.519 it Sean Wade like that's that's a low key need. 1:46:44.560 --> 1:46:46.639 It's not a big one, but it's a low key need. 1:46:47.120 --> 1:46:49.680 And I would say that cam Hart maybe is one 1:46:49.680 --> 1:46:51.720 of those guys that you could get, yeah, you know, 1:46:52.000 --> 1:46:55.360 in a more reasonable category, reasonable spot. I also think 1:46:55.400 --> 1:47:02.240 that Show Smith Wade from Washington State even an unreal Yeah. 1:47:02.360 --> 1:47:03.599 So he's another guy. 1:47:03.520 --> 1:47:04.880 Well more corner. I want to ask you about. This 1:47:04.880 --> 1:47:06.120 is another guy where you got to help ou because 1:47:06.120 --> 1:47:08.200 they haven't shown him a ton is Chris abrams Strain 1:47:08.280 --> 1:47:11.280 for Missouri. I wanted him last year. He was supposed 1:47:11.280 --> 1:47:12.759 to come out last year and he went back to school. 1:47:13.040 --> 1:47:15.280 You know how I love the converted receivers at corner. 1:47:15.680 --> 1:47:17.719 You know how, give me the guy that has spent 1:47:17.760 --> 1:47:19.640 his whole life tracking the football and put him on 1:47:19.680 --> 1:47:22.759 the other side. Abrams Strain went to Missouri's wide receiver, 1:47:22.800 --> 1:47:24.639 played it for a year and then moved over kind 1:47:24.680 --> 1:47:26.800 of a tweener. He's five to eleven, so he can 1:47:26.840 --> 1:47:29.360 play on the boundary, he can play on the inside. 1:47:29.479 --> 1:47:31.240 We don't know how their draft tendencies are going to 1:47:31.280 --> 1:47:35.040 carry over, but the Bill Belichick kind of thing where 1:47:35.160 --> 1:47:36.439 this is the guy you put him in the Miles 1:47:36.479 --> 1:47:38.639 Bryant role. I think he'd be excellent, and he'd give 1:47:38.640 --> 1:47:40.320 you a little more on the boundary as well, because 1:47:40.360 --> 1:47:43.680 he's bigger. That's based on his tape this year. I 1:47:43.680 --> 1:47:45.519 don't know if he stood out good or bad for 1:47:45.560 --> 1:47:47.360 you this week, but I'm a fan. 1:47:47.560 --> 1:47:50.240 Yet, not like strong in one way or the other, 1:47:50.280 --> 1:47:52.240 but I would agree with you just looking at him 1:47:52.240 --> 1:47:54.280 in terms of his size and things like that. He's 1:47:54.360 --> 1:47:57.519 matched up a couple of times with Lad McConkie. He 1:47:57.600 --> 1:48:00.759 definitely is someone that I could see being a pretty 1:48:00.800 --> 1:48:05.400 good nickel in the league, and that's been coming. It's 1:48:05.439 --> 1:48:08.360 such an important spot in your defense because of how 1:48:08.439 --> 1:48:11.679 much teams play out of eleven personnel with three receivers 1:48:11.680 --> 1:48:14.280 on the field, how important the slot is in the 1:48:14.280 --> 1:48:15.960 middle of the field and being able to fit the 1:48:16.040 --> 1:48:19.479 run from that spot. The nickels spot is really becoming 1:48:19.520 --> 1:48:22.040 one of the more important places to play in your defense. 1:48:22.080 --> 1:48:23.839 So I think those guys are valuable. 1:48:24.040 --> 1:48:26.720 All Right, we got like five minutes here to really 1:48:26.800 --> 1:48:29.320 quick talk about the guys up front, and I gotta 1:48:29.360 --> 1:48:33.000 start you, said Quinnan Mitchell's in the conversation for the 1:48:33.000 --> 1:48:35.800 best player there this week. I gotta give you. I 1:48:35.800 --> 1:48:38.479 gotta give you my and fair you said podium, I'll 1:48:38.479 --> 1:48:40.640 put another guy up at the podium and hopefully it 1:48:40.640 --> 1:48:43.559 doesn't break under him. And that's Devandre Sweat, the defensive 1:48:43.600 --> 1:48:48.200 tackle from Texas. Didn't weigh in love that move. He's 1:48:48.240 --> 1:48:51.599 big enough. I can tell probably three seventy don't care. 1:48:51.680 --> 1:48:56.800 I'm good. He doesn't like he's always dominant. Sometimes he's 1:48:56.880 --> 1:49:01.400 hilariously dominant. Like he took a center from Houston today 1:49:01.400 --> 1:49:03.439 whose name on a scale is escaping me. And I 1:49:03.479 --> 1:49:06.080 don't think this guy's gonna mind not being named. He 1:49:06.120 --> 1:49:09.320 didn't drive him into the backfield. He picked him up 1:49:09.479 --> 1:49:13.800 off his feet and just walked him back. This is 1:49:13.840 --> 1:49:16.240 a guy that Texas had running routes. Is a tight 1:49:16.320 --> 1:49:19.000 end in their goal line package, not complicated routes, but 1:49:19.000 --> 1:49:21.920 they throw him the ball in the Big twelve Championship game. 1:49:22.600 --> 1:49:24.240 I don't see how he ends up as a Patriot. 1:49:24.240 --> 1:49:26.880 He's gonna be a top fifty pick. Uh, definitely some 1:49:26.960 --> 1:49:29.719 Vince will Fork shades. But like four or five years 1:49:29.720 --> 1:49:32.840 from now, when he's a free agent, I want Devandre Sweat. 1:49:33.320 --> 1:49:36.760 He's so fun to watch. He's so fun to watch. 1:49:36.800 --> 1:49:40.519 He just he takes over and he did it at Texas, 1:49:40.640 --> 1:49:42.720 like he took over games at Texas, and he has 1:49:42.720 --> 1:49:44.719 taken over the Senior Bowl when they give him chances. 1:49:46.000 --> 1:49:47.400 We've seen quite it. 1:49:47.479 --> 1:49:47.640 You know. 1:49:47.680 --> 1:49:49.519 We were at the Shrine Bowl last year and we 1:49:49.560 --> 1:49:51.600 saw a bunch of Texas guys like that Texas de 1:49:51.800 --> 1:49:52.920 Hine just pumps. 1:49:52.600 --> 1:49:57.080 Oh yeah, but sweats on another level, he's I mean, 1:49:57.120 --> 1:49:59.439 it's it looks when's the last time he saw a 1:49:59.439 --> 1:50:01.559 defensive tack look like that at that size. 1:50:02.400 --> 1:50:04.800 Yeah, he's a big dude. I think Michael Hall I 1:50:04.840 --> 1:50:07.240 mentioned him a little bit earlier. He's been really good too. 1:50:08.280 --> 1:50:11.000 This is a perfect setup for him. You know, these 1:50:11.040 --> 1:50:15.160 twitched up inside rushers that just can win with really 1:50:15.200 --> 1:50:18.800 good you know, suddenness, explosiveness off the line, you want 1:50:18.840 --> 1:50:21.479 to I'm sure you know. This is not like he 1:50:21.640 --> 1:50:23.679 played at Florida State. I'm not saying he's a deep 1:50:23.680 --> 1:50:27.719 sleep or anything like that, but Brandon Fisky from Florida 1:50:27.760 --> 1:50:30.439 State is just I'll take that guy on my team 1:50:30.439 --> 1:50:33.160 any day. What a what a freaking motor on that guy? 1:50:33.280 --> 1:50:36.759 That guy just off the ball in an instant bowling 1:50:36.840 --> 1:50:40.760 a china shop, always wrecking plays. He's in the backfield 1:50:40.760 --> 1:50:43.640 a ton, and it's not as much as I We 1:50:43.680 --> 1:50:46.160 all love watching the one on ones and things like that, 1:50:46.840 --> 1:50:48.839 when you get at the team like that's real football, 1:50:48.920 --> 1:50:51.720 right eleven and eleven is is real football, and he's 1:50:51.720 --> 1:50:54.360 the type of guy that is wrecking things. The other 1:50:54.400 --> 1:50:56.800 guys are having the flashy pass rush moves and one 1:50:56.840 --> 1:50:58.559 on ones, and Fisky is the one that's in the 1:50:58.560 --> 1:50:59.960 backfield when it comes to team drill. 1:51:00.439 --> 1:51:03.720 How about so I talked before where Davon Gotcha is 1:51:03.760 --> 1:51:05.320 in a contract year and they can open up some 1:51:05.360 --> 1:51:07.040 money if they move on from him. Lawrence guy's in 1:51:07.080 --> 1:51:10.040 a contract here, So I'm looking at run stoppers. Fiskey's 1:51:10.040 --> 1:51:11.960 one of them. Another guy who I think has had 1:51:11.960 --> 1:51:14.519 a great week who kind of projects is he's gonna 1:51:14.560 --> 1:51:17.320 go later. You can probably get him onto a three. 1:51:17.760 --> 1:51:20.200 I don't know that he might be a pass rusher 1:51:20.320 --> 1:51:22.639 later in his career, but right now I think could 1:51:22.680 --> 1:51:24.519 come in on first and second downs and play the run. 1:51:24.560 --> 1:51:27.160 In the NFL is Dwayne Carter from Duke, and I 1:51:27.560 --> 1:51:29.840 think he's I liked him coming in and I think 1:51:29.880 --> 1:51:33.720 he's better yesterday and better yesterday than today. But I 1:51:33.800 --> 1:51:36.640 think he's had a pretty good week overall. 1:51:36.880 --> 1:51:40.320 Yeah, he's a powerful guy like you definitely can can 1:51:40.360 --> 1:51:41.439 hold up at the point of a. 1:51:41.800 --> 1:51:45.000 Kind of the day three Tovandre sweat kind of thing. 1:51:45.840 --> 1:51:48.600 Yeah, yeah, definitely. And you know, if they're going to 1:51:48.720 --> 1:51:51.439 continue to play odd front like, they're gonna need some 1:51:51.439 --> 1:51:54.479 some pure nose tackles, some guys that can two gap 1:51:54.479 --> 1:51:57.360 and take on double teams and absorb contact. And I 1:51:57.360 --> 1:52:00.160 can definitely see him being able to do that. What 1:52:00.439 --> 1:52:02.880 do you think that you know, where do you eventually 1:52:02.880 --> 1:52:05.679 think that A Law Too from UCLA goes because he's 1:52:05.680 --> 1:52:06.559 going in the first round. 1:52:06.640 --> 1:52:11.519 Yeah, but he's had an interesting week high. Yeah, it's 1:52:11.600 --> 1:52:16.360 tough because the edge class is so good, right, so 1:52:16.840 --> 1:52:19.479 because he's been really good, but there's still Dallas Turner, 1:52:19.560 --> 1:52:23.880 Jared Versus and Chop Robinson. So he could go in 1:52:23.920 --> 1:52:27.519 the top ten, he could go fifteenth, sixteenth. I think 1:52:27.520 --> 1:52:29.800 it's gonna be And we're not obviously doing edge this 1:52:29.880 --> 1:52:32.840 year from the Patriots. But that's another one of those things. 1:52:32.880 --> 1:52:34.479 You know how much I love talking about sorting out 1:52:34.520 --> 1:52:36.679 the teers, right, how do they sort out in that tier? 1:52:37.040 --> 1:52:39.720 Dallas Turner laid to Law too Jared Robinson might be 1:52:39.720 --> 1:52:42.920 a tier below, but Turner Law two verse all in 1:52:42.920 --> 1:52:46.200 that tier. They're all really good. They're all probably top 1:52:46.240 --> 1:52:49.160 ten picks. You have so much offensive talent, how much 1:52:49.200 --> 1:52:50.840 do they get pushed down the board? Does somebody move 1:52:50.920 --> 1:52:52.800 up from one of them? It's gonna be a flavor thing, 1:52:52.800 --> 1:52:55.040 all right, before we wrap it up, Evan, they have 1:52:55.160 --> 1:52:58.920 not shown us a single special team snap every time 1:52:58.960 --> 1:53:01.599 they go right to commercial. I need my Tory Taylor fix. 1:53:01.600 --> 1:53:04.200 I need my Tory Taylor fix. How does toy do? 1:53:04.360 --> 1:53:06.880 Please tell me you stop? Watched Tory Taylor. 1:53:08.280 --> 1:53:15.880 I did not stop. I'll tell you this, they haven't 1:53:15.920 --> 1:53:19.439 really done a whole lot of special teams. They really 1:53:19.479 --> 1:53:21.960 haven't kicked a ton on the TV. 1:53:22.080 --> 1:53:24.759 That they're doing it too much, Oh. 1:53:24.640 --> 1:53:27.599 I disagree. I have a lot of it's been off 1:53:27.640 --> 1:53:30.519 the jugs, like they haven't done have not kicked done 1:53:30.560 --> 1:53:33.719 a whole lot of kicking. I would think tomorrow they're 1:53:33.760 --> 1:53:36.360 following a pretty similar script to what an NFL team 1:53:36.360 --> 1:53:39.960 would follow, which is, you know, Wednesday, Thursday, big install days, 1:53:40.040 --> 1:53:43.080 Fridays kind of the clean up day and everything like that. 1:53:43.240 --> 1:53:47.040 So I think tomorrow on the broadcast tomorrow's the red zone. 1:53:47.200 --> 1:53:50.080 Yeah, I haven't been in the red zone at all, 1:53:50.080 --> 1:53:50.840 so that makes sense. 1:53:51.560 --> 1:53:53.600 I wanted a Tory Taylor update all right, Well I 1:53:53.680 --> 1:53:56.040 might have to get that from you next week when 1:53:56.040 --> 1:53:58.599 you get back here. Yeah, so that'll do it for us. 1:53:58.840 --> 1:54:00.840 Thanks everybody for tuning in. 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