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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two Podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Hello, everybody nailed it.

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Speaker 2: He joined as always by our bark.

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Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex bars.

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Speaker 2: All right, well you just went through a sickness, an

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Speaker 2: illness to just go three minutes on Joe Millen. So

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Speaker 2: that's how you know how good he is or how

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Speaker 2: nobody get you interesting?

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Speaker 1: Interesting?

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Speaker 2: I didn't say good, You're right?

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Speaker 1: Is Evan changing his tone on that one?

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Speaker 2: Has he gone from there?

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Speaker 1: Has he gone from interested to end? Has he dropped

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Speaker 1: the tristed when it comes to Joe Milton? We will

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Speaker 1: find out later on in the program. It is Alex

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Speaker 1: Barth and Evan Lazar brand new episode of Catch twenty two.

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Speaker 1: Last week I was virtual because I was sick, didn't

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Speaker 1: have my voice. Evan was in the host chair. This week,

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Speaker 1: Evan is in mobile. He is at the Senior Bowl.

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Speaker 1: So I am in the host chair here in Foxborough,

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Speaker 1: here at Chillette Stadium. Obviously we're going to have a

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Speaker 1: ton of Senior Bowl talk, a ton of prospect talk,

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Speaker 1: a ton of draft talk.

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Speaker 2: Today.

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Speaker 1: Let's take your calls eight five to five Pats five

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Speaker 1: of web radio at Patriots dot com if you want

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Speaker 1: to email in. So it will be mostly draft, mostly

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Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. But the Patriots hired a coordinator and that's

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Speaker 1: a big deal. There's only three on the team. Actually,

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Speaker 1: they've hired two I think since our last show.

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Speaker 2: I think comtitles.

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Speaker 1: I think the Comington hired didn't come until that was

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Speaker 1: over the weekend, right, So ye, We've got a couple

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Speaker 1: of coordinator related notes to get to, and we'll talk

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Speaker 1: about the offensive coordinator as well before we get into

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Speaker 1: the prospect. So Evan, I guess let's start there. The

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Speaker 1: on the longer side. So just what they have in

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Speaker 1: play so far? Or DeMarcus Covington, Jeremy Springer, your thoughts

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Speaker 1: on those two guys starting off Girodmeo's staff.

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Speaker 2: Well, on a positive note with DeMarcus Covington, I feel

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Speaker 2: like this is twofold one. You wanted to see them

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Speaker 2: Obviously they were going to do that already with the

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Speaker 2: that side of the ball really wasn't broken. There was

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Speaker 2: no need to go outside the box and try to

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Speaker 2: fix something that was working. Ninth and DBOA last year,

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Speaker 2: So they're okay on the defense side of the ball.

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Speaker 2: I know, in you're four and thirteen, it feels like

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Speaker 2: everything is bad, but they weren't bad on defenses past year.

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Speaker 2: And DeMarcus Covington has a lot of fans in that

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Speaker 2: And I think DeMarcus Covington has a lot of fans

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Speaker 2: in that respect, I feel a lot of positive jews

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Speaker 2: on this, Alex. You know, there are two things that

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Speaker 2: do worry me. One, this whole entire coaching staff Jeremy

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Speaker 2: DeMarcus Covington has never called plays in an NFL game before.

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Speaker 1: You don't know that I'm not rolling it out yet.

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Speaker 2: I know and I know there's been reports. I think

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Speaker 1: I think if I don't know, how many people are

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Speaker 1: If DD Mayo's worried about the overhanging elements of the

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think Rick Gosling, who does the annual special

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Speaker 2: exactly the schemes that Jeremy Springer is gonna run on

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Speaker 2: it interesting how Gerrodmeo is gonna approach special teams versus

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Speaker 2: because I look at some of those things as opportunities,

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Speaker 2: you know, for players like last year a mere Speed again,

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Speaker 2: those types of players should be playing regularly on special

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Speaker 2: the point where maybe in year two they are contributing

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Speaker 2: give some of the younger players some opportunities to just

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Speaker 2: veteran guys that have played a ton of football that

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Speaker 2: you know didn't help the bottom line of their special

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Speaker 2: give those opportunities to some of the younger players coming in.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's unfair to have one or two

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Speaker 1: a Matthew Slater and a Cody Davis.

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Speaker 1: It's with their two too. You want leaders in that group.

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Speaker 2: You know Nick Kayley has been working with tight ends,

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Speaker 1: So, okay, do you think because the question a lot

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Speaker 2: It's the number one question is which playbook is he

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Speaker 2: I think that where Kaylee's it's mainly just you pick

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Speaker 1: Again, you want to call and join us, We're talking

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah. I honestly, we've been talking about this a

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Speaker 1: That's the one thing I'd urge people with McDaniels, is.

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Speaker 1: We talked about this a lot, Evan. There are some

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Speaker 1: And that's the end of the sentence, right, And if

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Speaker 1: You do?

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Speaker 2: You want me to praise Joe Milton now or later?

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Speaker 1: Hang on? Hang on, We're gonna get to Joe Milton.

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Speaker 1: Let's take some call, in some emails. Then we'll get

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Speaker 1: into prospects. Let's go to Nik in Australia. I gotta

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Speaker 1: figure this thing out. Niek we got you. Hello, I

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Speaker 1: got him Nick. Sorry, this is oh Jake. Okay, we

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Speaker 1: got Jake, It says nieck On here Jake. How are

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Speaker 4: Not today?

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Speaker 1: So tell you.

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Speaker 4: It's a it's been a long time I've been pitching

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Speaker 4: But yeah, on the coordinators that we're just talking about,

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Speaker 1: Sorry, say that again.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they and thanks for the call, Nique. They went

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Speaker 1: All Right, we got a couple emails here. Is there

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Speaker 2: the McVeigh offense, the Patriots old offense with McDaniels and O'Brien,

435
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Speaker 2: those are not offense is typically where you're talking about

436
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,840
Speaker 2: a lot of off script stuff happening. Like there are

437
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Speaker 2: obviously elements of that in every offense. And I'm not

438
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Speaker 2: saying Stafford brock Purty like Jordan Love. Those guys move

439
00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:15,920
Speaker 2: around and those guys make extended plays. But their offense

440
00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:19,160
Speaker 2: is similar to the old Patriots offense and that one respect,

441
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Speaker 2: and that is that they want quarterbacks that are going

442
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Speaker 2: to throw from the pocket on time, with accuracy and

443
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Speaker 2: set up yards after the catch, like it's a West

444
00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,600
Speaker 2: Coast face system. The ball wants. You want the ball out.

445
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,080
Speaker 2: You want it on time, you want it accurately, and

446
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:37,159
Speaker 2: you want it leading guys down the field to run

447
00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:41,000
Speaker 2: after the catch. So when you look at Caleb Williams,

448
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,040
Speaker 2: who wants to improvise, when you look at a Jayden

449
00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:46,720
Speaker 2: Daniels who wants to throw deep and then also obviously

450
00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:51,000
Speaker 2: uses legs, not great fits, I think Drake May between

451
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Speaker 2: the numbers is probably one of the best quarterbacks over

452
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Speaker 2: the last couple of years at throwing in the middle

453
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Speaker 2: of the field. That's exactly where this offense lives. If

454
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Speaker 2: you look at like the top five or seven quarterbacks

455
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:05,640
Speaker 2: in the league in terms of inbreaking routes, you know, crossers,

456
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:10,880
Speaker 2: dig patterns, slants, it's all McVay, Shanahan, Tree type of guys,

457
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:15,080
Speaker 2: Laflor type of guys. It's Stafford, it's Jordan Love, it's

458
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 2: Brock Purty, it's to uh C J. Stroud. You know

459
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,040
Speaker 2: that's the way that this offense is run.

460
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that was Riley with the question, by the way,

461
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Speaker 1: on the email. Thanks to that most the other question

462
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Speaker 1: draft related. So let's get into the Senior Bowl through

463
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:30,639
Speaker 1: two days of practice. You want to start with the quarterbacks.

464
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Speaker 2: Let's start with the quarterbacks.

465
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Speaker 1: I don't know what I've done. I think I've made

466
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Speaker 1: a mistake. Maybe maybe I should not have exposed you

467
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Speaker 1: to Joe Milton, because.

468
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Speaker 2: I mean the Senior Bowl exposed me big time to

469
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Speaker 2: Joe Milton.

470
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Speaker 1: So I thought you were gonna be annoyed by Joe Milton.

471
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Speaker 1: I did not think you were gonna take Joe Milton seriously.

472
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Speaker 1: I don't know that I take Joe Milton seriously.

473
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Speaker 2: I am taking him seriously.

474
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Speaker 1: What has happened? What if you because to me? And

475
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,399
Speaker 1: and look, I'm trying to follow it on TV. The

476
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Speaker 1: quarterbacks probably easy an other position. I mean, I think

477
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,920
Speaker 1: you've gotten yesterday. You definitely got the Joe Milton experience

478
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:09,440
Speaker 1: where he pipes a ball over the middle twenty five

479
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,439
Speaker 1: yards on a frozen rope, right into the tight end,

480
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 1: hits a backflip, and then two plays later there's a

481
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,159
Speaker 1: guy standing stationary ten yards in front of him and

482
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 1: he throws the ball ten feet over his head. That

483
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Speaker 1: is the full on Joe Milton experience. I know he's

484
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,919
Speaker 1: he's crushed all the numbers in terms of ball velocity,

485
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,919
Speaker 1: spin rate that should be expected. He's breaking all the

486
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 1: records on the scoreboard. He might break the scoreboard. We

487
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:34,359
Speaker 1: have to wait and see on that one if they

488
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 1: ever actually let him throw the ball deep. But I

489
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Speaker 1: don't know. I've more or less seen what I expected

490
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,399
Speaker 1: from Joe Milton, which again interesting. I don't know that

491
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Speaker 1: I'm in on him. I just I find him fascinating.

492
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Speaker 1: He's a fascinating player to me. But you seem to

493
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Speaker 1: be willing to take it a step further.

494
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Speaker 2: Okay, So here it's the same thing that you said

495
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Speaker 2: last week. Like nobody is sitting here saying that the

496
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Speaker 2: Patriots should take Joe Milton with a third overall pick.

497
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Speaker 2: I'm not even saying that the Patriot should Joe Milton

498
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 2: with the thirty fourth overall pick. But from what I've

499
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Speaker 2: seen this week, you told me, Alex the very very

500
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,159
Speaker 2: first time that we talked about Joe Milton, if you

501
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 2: need eighty yards to throw in eighty yards, if you

502
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,199
Speaker 2: need five yards to throw in eighty yards, right, the

503
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 2: guy has a cannon. He has very little control of

504
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,200
Speaker 2: the ball, and he's all gas, no breaks, like, there's

505
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,640
Speaker 2: no touch, there's nothing like that. I actually think over

506
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,439
Speaker 2: the last couple of days, he has made it a

507
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 2: point to show that he can read the short part

508
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 2: of the field, and he can throw with some touch

509
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 2: and some timing on the underneath stuff the short game,

510
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,439
Speaker 2: and he's done a decent job of doing it. You know,

511
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:40,679
Speaker 2: today I thought he threw probably the best pass of

512
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 2: the entire day. And it wasn't even like this great

513
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,920
Speaker 2: downfield throw. He just threw a slant to a receiver

514
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,679
Speaker 2: where the post safety's coming down and closing down and

515
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 2: he throws it like a little back shoulder. Jared Goff

516
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 2: made the exact same throw in the NFC Championship game

517
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,479
Speaker 2: last weekend that everybody went Google Googaga over right. So

518
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 2: those types of throws, I just didn't know Joe Milton

519
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 2: had that in his bag. I knew he could throw

520
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 2: at eighty yards. I knew he could throw the deep ball.

521
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 2: I knew he was athletic, I knew he was mobile.

522
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,679
Speaker 2: But the fact that he was showing some ability to

523
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 2: hit five, you know, a five yard slant, to show

524
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,679
Speaker 2: some ability to find the running back in the flat

525
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,880
Speaker 2: and hit a first down throw into the flat. Those

526
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 2: types of things were not things that he did consistently

527
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 2: well in college, and he did them well over the

528
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 2: last two days. And you add that on top of

529
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Speaker 2: the fact that he's got a bazooka as an arm,

530
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:36,680
Speaker 2: and now all of a sudden, you see, well, if

531
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 2: he can be this consistent on the underneath stuff, then

532
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 2: maybe there's really something there. So the comparison that I

533
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:46,440
Speaker 2: continue to use for him is day three Anthony Richardson.

534
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 2: He's not as mobile, he's not as freakish, he's not

535
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 2: an alien like Anthony Richardson was in the combine, but

536
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:57,640
Speaker 2: he has got a similar set of skills, a similar

537
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,359
Speaker 2: ball of clay, just maybe had a lesser to And

538
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 2: if on the Patriots again, you have to him higher

539
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 2: than the Joe Milton's of the world. So don't nobody

540
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 2: take this as me saying they're gonna draft Joe Milton

541
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 2: and all all our problems are fixed. But if they

542
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 2: are going to let's say double dip, if they are

543
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 2: going to sign a veteran quarterback and then maybe take

544
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 2: one in the draft as like a developmental guy as

545
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:26,400
Speaker 2: a project, then I would much rather take a guy

546
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 2: like Joe Milton and has some significant upside than take

547
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 2: a guy like Michael Pratt who's just gonna be another

548
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 2: Bailey Zappy. Right, So that's the way I look at it,

549
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 2: he's got a really high ceiling. And those guys are

550
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 2: I think are fun, they're and are worth developing. Maybe

551
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,199
Speaker 2: you end up finding out down the road that he

552
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,399
Speaker 2: can play and start in the league because of his

553
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 2: physical school tools. Who knows.

554
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean, look the throw you're talking about

555
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 1: on the slant. There aren't that many quarterbacks that can

556
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,160
Speaker 1: make that throw because that window. The arm strength comes

557
00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 1: in there too. It's not you know, throw it, you

558
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 1: need it five yards, third, eighty yards. It's kind of

559
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 1: a hyperbole. He his arm strength is also impressive in

560
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 1: the sense that there are some windows that most quarterbacks

561
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: won't even touch that he can flirt with because I

562
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 1: think they had his ball velossy like seventy six miles

563
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 1: an hour.

564
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,360
Speaker 2: Right, that's so intriguing, Which is it when you watch

565
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 2: these two Sorry to off, but like when you watch

566
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 2: these two quarterbacks for the Patriots all year last year,

567
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 2: Like we are just so programmed to watching quarterbacks that

568
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 2: have no arm talent.

569
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,639
Speaker 1: No, but this is different. This isn't. This isn't going

570
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 1: from a lack of ball velocity to the ball velocities

571
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 1: normal and it looks fast. Seventy six miles an hour

572
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 1: on a football. That's some I'll pull the numbers up here.

573
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 1: I think that would be would make him one of

574
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 1: the five hardest throwing quarterbacks in the league. I know

575
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 1: Mahomes like touches eighty occasionally. If he really gets in

576
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 1: when he touches eighty, it's it's it's different. There's windows

577
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 1: available to him that are not available to other quarterbacks. Now,

578
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 1: the flip side of that, and you say he's been

579
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 1: good about it this week, is he has no problem

580
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 1: testing those windows and that it's a dangerous game because

581
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: it is still tight even if he can get it in.

582
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 1: Sometimes they're not windows. He's going to be able to

583
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: test consistently. In the NFL.

584
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 2: He has been the most poised quarterback down here, which

585
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 2: I think is absolutely shocking when you look at a

586
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 2: guy like Pennix, a guy like Bo Nicks, even somebody

587
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 2: like Spencer Rattler, all but mostly those first two who

588
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 2: have had so much success in college, that have Heisman

589
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 2: Trophy finalist on their resume, national Championship game appearance on

590
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 2: their resume. The fact that Joe Milton has been the

591
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 2: coolest guy on the field. You mentioned the backflip so

592
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 2: he doesn't. Yesterday he does a backflip. Today he threw

593
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 2: a ball into the flat and kind of like, you know,

594
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 2: did like a basketball, like you know, nailed it, type

595
00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 2: of like shot motion. It doesn't matter at the and

596
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 2: a grand scheme of things, but I just kind of

597
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 2: like the swagger.

598
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: I just kind of like he he that's a guy

599
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 1: that loves putting on a show, and there is there

600
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 1: is something to be said for that. So I'm trying

601
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 1: to find the numbers here and I can't find from

602
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 1: this regular season, but the draft last year CJ. Stroud

603
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 1: and Anthony Richardson topped off at sixty two miles an hour.

604
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes they have is over sixty miles an hour.

605
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 1: So say Josh Allen's at sixty two, and it says

606
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 1: that Mahomes was a little fast in him, so maybe

607
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: it's sixty two in a decimal. Joe Milton again seventy

608
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 1: six miles an hour.

609
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it just you look at this just the field.

610
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 2: The difference between what the Patriots have now where we

611
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 2: all are clamoring for is somebody that just has the

612
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 2: physical tools and the addability, mobility, arm talent, and then

613
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 2: just it's a little bit of swagger. It's just it's

614
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 2: it was a much different feel. And you mentioned how

615
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 2: his ability to drive the ball allows him to access

616
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 2: some windows that other quarterbacks can't access. And I feel

617
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 2: like over the last couple of years, the you know,

618
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 2: ten to twenty yard range in the middle of the field,

619
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 2: or even like the fifteen to twenty five in the NFL,

620
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 2: where you have to fit the deep dig in, you

621
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 2: have to fit the seam, you have to fit these

622
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 2: throws into these tight windows. The quarterbacks that they currently

623
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 2: have on the roster just don't have the velocity to

624
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 2: be able to do that. They can't drive a ball

625
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five yards down the field into a closing

626
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 2: NFL sized window, and this guy can. So I'm intrigued.

627
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 2: I don't know what to call it. I'm just intrigued.

628
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 1: I know intrigued. Intrigued is different than in And yeah,

629
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: so the record for the combine, and we'll see what

630
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:51,959
Speaker 1: Milton does at the combine. The record for the combine

631
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Speaker 1: sixty two miles an hour. Joe Milton's seventy six point

632
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 1: four miles an hour initial air speed, So maybe that's

633
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 1: a different measurement, but yeah, all right, moving off a

634
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 1: Joe Milton. We'll get to Penix and Knicks last. But

635
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 1: you mentioned Michael Pratt hasn't really impressed you. I know

636
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 1: you said you've been impressed with Spencer Rattler.

637
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 2: A little bit. Yeah. Spencer Rattler I think has probably

638
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 2: been the the in terms of getting through the reads,

639
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 2: throwing on time, throwing in rhythm. He's been the most

640
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 2: comfortable in that respect, I would say, in these two practices,

641
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 2: and he's controlled the ball pretty well. He basically has

642
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 2: one glaring mistake in two days. There's a bad interception

643
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 2: towards the end of practice yesterday where he was throwing

644
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 2: a crosser from the three by one side and he

645
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 2: just lost the backside corner who had zone eyes and

646
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 2: just read it and jumped the crosser from the backside.

647
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 2: But in general, I think he's thrown with good accuracy.

648
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 2: I think he's latered some good throws, especially like whole shots,

649
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 2: corner rats, things like that into cover two voids. And

650
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 2: he's done a really nice job of you know, getting

651
00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:59,959
Speaker 2: off one, getting to two, getting to three in the progress,

652
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 2: which was something in college that I don't think he

653
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 2: did particularly well. He was somebody that did tend to

654
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 2: hold the football a little bit and struggle with processing speed,

655
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 2: so he's looked comfortable. I think the one thing that

656
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 2: that is a shame almost with him is that he's

657
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 2: only six feet tall. And I'm just I mean.

658
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 1: He doesn't even look he looks small, and I don't

659
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 1: know why he didn't look as small playing in college.

660
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's the jersey or whatever. He

661
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 1: looks small.

662
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know about you, Alex, but I'm I'm

663
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 2: just out on quarterbacks that are under six foot two.

664
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 2: I just I have no time for it. I'm sorry.

665
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 2: I maybe that tight tightest, I don't know what to

666
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 2: call it, but I just give me Joe Milton over

667
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 2: Spencer Ratler all day, every day, simply just because the

668
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 2: guy has got the size and the talent and all

669
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 2: that stuff to maybe develop into an NFL starter. But

670
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 2: I have been intrigued by Spencer Rattler as well, just

671
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:02,479
Speaker 2: another one of those worth round double dip you know,

672
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 2: upside type of potential guys. He's spun the ball pretty

673
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 2: well here this week, and like I said, he's made

674
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 2: some nice throws pretty much all over the field and

675
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 2: really hasn't made a ton of clearing mistakes. So it's

676
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's a good thing or a

677
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 2: bad thing that Spencer Rattler and Joe Milton have probably

678
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 2: been the two best quarterbacks and mobile through the first

679
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 2: two days. But that's just the reality, which I guess

680
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 2: we can get to. You know what that means for

681
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 2: Penix and bon Nicks.

682
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Pennix has been fine. I don't know

683
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 1: that he's been good or bad. I think he's been

684
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 1: more or less you expect. Again, the big thing for

685
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 1: him is handling pressure, which is something he's just not

686
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 1: dealing with. You're not dealing with in a setting like this.

687
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:49,720
Speaker 1: Bonnicks had a rough day today.

688
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, bo Nicks has been rough.

689
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, he dropped a snap, He had a couple of misses.

690
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:55,879
Speaker 1: He also had one I don't know if you could

691
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 1: tell this live, but on TV they kind of had

692
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 1: him miked up and he was having a lot of

693
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 1: trouble relaying the plays with the because in college you

694
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: don't have the plays called into the headset. You get

695
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: a hand signal from the sideline and that translates. He

696
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 1: kind of struggled with that one a little bit. So

697
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 1: I came into the week saying, you know, I don't

698
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: know how much bo Nix has to win or lose

699
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 1: sixty one start to you more or less know who

700
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: he is. It hasn't been a great week for him, though.

701
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 2: No, it hasn't. I agree with you one hundred percent

702
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 2: on Penis. I think that he's been fine. I don't

703
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 2: think that he's hurt his stock. I don't think he's

704
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 2: helped his stock. I think he's made a couple of

705
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 2: good throws. I don't think he's made any real glaring errors, No,

706
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 2: like terrible turnovers or anything like that. The one thing

707
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 2: I would say with Penix just I was looking forward

708
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:46,280
Speaker 2: to watching him live and seeing how much his arm, talent,

709
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 2: and his velocity and all that kind of stuff look live.

710
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 2: I haven't been dazzled by the ball velo or anything

711
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 2: like that. But again, I agree with you that I

712
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 2: think he's been right down the middle, and he'll probably

713
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,959
Speaker 2: come away from this week with everybody in the same

714
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 2: exact thing they thought about him before they came into

715
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 2: the Senior Bowl, which is, if he clears out medically,

716
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 2: he's probably a top fifty pick. If he doesn't, then

717
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 2: who knows how far he's gonna fall down, but it's

718
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 2: gonna because of the medical stuff, not anything to do

719
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 2: with his play with Nicks. He's been bad. I mean,

720
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 2: like he's just been downright bad. I think the biggest

721
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:31,800
Speaker 2: concern with him is not necessarily timing and processing decision making.

722
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 2: His ball accuracy has just been all over the place,

723
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 2: Like he just hasn't made throw an accurate passes.

724
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 1: And that's supposed to be his carrying trait is supposed

725
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 1: to be a short intermediate accuracy.

726
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's exactly And like I saw when I

727
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 2: watched him on film, like some of the deep ball accuracy,

728
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 2: his deep ball is not perfect. He puts air under it,

729
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 2: so guys like Troy Franklin could like run under it

730
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. But he's not like a pinpoint

731
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 2: deep ball guy like Pennix's. But he was really good

732
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 2: in the short and intermediate areas, and those are the

733
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 2: places where he struggled the most. Here is in that

734
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 2: inside the twenty yard range. Let's call it Day one. He's,

735
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 2: you know, got on a bootleg action Tess Walker is

736
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 2: crossing over the middle of the field. He's got him

737
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 2: wide open, and he misses him by like five yards.

738
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 2: He missed a skinny post this today where he just

739
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 2: the guy's just wide open in a middlefield, open coverage,

740
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 2: just splitting the safeties and he just throws it behind him.

741
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,839
Speaker 2: Like those types of misses, you just you wonder if

742
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 2: you just chalk it up to Senior Bowl anomally, I

743
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 2: think that's basically what this is all about, is confirming

744
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 2: or not confirming your priors. But it's definitely something that

745
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,439
Speaker 2: you have to think about it now and maybe even

746
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 2: go back and revisit some of his game film and say,

747
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 2: is he just did I miss this the first time

748
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 2: around that he's not very good at throwing let's say

749
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 2: from like the five to fifteen yard range, or is

750
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 2: that something that was he just had a bad week.

751
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 2: You know, there's two practices. You're not really familiar with

752
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,399
Speaker 2: the receivers, you're not familiar with the offense. So maybe

753
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 2: it's just a bad week, you know, who knows. But

754
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 2: it has been a big, big struggle for him with

755
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,280
Speaker 2: his accurs He's been all over the place in terms

756
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 2: of his ball placement, and that that's a big thing

757
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 2: because in college not Oregon offense, and the same thing

758
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 2: with Justin Herbert, it was all screens, and it was

759
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 2: all vertical routes, right, Like, that's the Oregon offense. It's

760
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 2: either you're throwing the ball out the line of scrimmage

761
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 2: or you're throwing vertical shots. But in the NFL, the

762
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 2: intermediate stuff is where like ninety percent of quarterbacks make

763
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 2: their money, right, that's right. That's such a much bigger

764
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 2: area of emphasis in the league than it is in

765
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 2: college because in college it's these air raid, wide open

766
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 2: schemes and they're just chucking and ducking. In the NFL,

767
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 2: it's that's in structure. Play is short and intermediate, Like

768
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:56,280
Speaker 2: that's how you really move the ball in the NFL.

769
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,760
Speaker 2: So if that's a part of his game that maybe

770
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 2: we just didn't see a ton of volume in that

771
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 2: in college, and now that he's putting in an NFL

772
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 2: offense in the Senior Bowl, it's coming out more and

773
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 2: more that he can't hit those throws. That really hurts

774
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 2: him in terms of his ability to be a starter

775
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 2: in the league.

776
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, and look, I don't think he's gonna fall behind

777
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy or Michael Pratt or Joe Milton. But when

778
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,320
Speaker 1: you're talking about is he worth a first round investment.

779
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 1: That was I think the question he had an answer

780
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 1: this week. And you know he's back in the state

781
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,359
Speaker 1: of Alabama. He's looking a lot more like Auburn bo

782
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,800
Speaker 1: Nicks than he is Oregon Bonnicks. Real quick, you touched

783
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 1: on Pratt. You haven't loved him. I haven't either. He

784
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 1: just looks overwhelmed, and I think the biggest thing with

785
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,399
Speaker 1: him was experienced, kind of like Nicks, where he's kind

786
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,359
Speaker 1: of your day two or day three bow Knicks however

787
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 1: you want. He's the next tier version of bow Knicks,

788
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 1: where he's a guy that is good from the pocket,

789
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: is an accurate passer, is like a little athletic, but

790
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 1: you're not gonna build a run package around him. He's

791
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,799
Speaker 1: not a guy that's gonna overly test the deep part

792
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,320
Speaker 1: of the field or tight windows or anything. He's just

793
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 1: supposed to be consistent kind of quarterback you can set

794
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 1: your watch too, and we haven't seen that from him.

795
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree with that. He's he's been overwhelmed

796
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 2: would be the word I would use. He's thrown it

797
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 2: some some balls into some team meetings. A couple guys

798
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 2: have gotten hands on passes from him, and it hasn't

799
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 2: looked overly consistent. I did think today in seven on

800
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,839
Speaker 2: seven he started to open it up a little bit more.

801
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 2: That's one thing that I've been a little disappointed with

802
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 2: all the quarterbacks, honestly, is when you get into seven

803
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 2: on seven, can we not throw check downs in seven

804
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 2: on seven? Like let's like, let's see you push the

805
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 2: ball down the field a little bit. I thought that

806
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 2: Pratt made a couple of downfield throws in seven. The

807
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:42,840
Speaker 2: one he missed on a go ball. You overthrew it

808
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 2: just a little bit. But the only guy that has

809
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:49,839
Speaker 2: consistently made it a point to really try to push

810
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 2: the ball down the field consistently is Rattler, and.

811
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: You know that's how he plays. I think Milton is

812
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 1: probably trying to prove some things and that's why he's

813
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:03,280
Speaker 1: not doing it. Spencer Rattler has never seen a deep

814
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 1: an open deep receiver. He didn't think he could get

815
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 1: the ball to and most of the time he can't.

816
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 1: But that's just kind of the way. That's his whole

817
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 1: mentality is he's a he's a big play hunter. That's

818
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 1: that's what he does. Yeah, I just un Ratler real quick.

819
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 1: I'm curious how he's interviewing because that's gonna be a

820
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: big thing for him. There were some questions about his

821
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 1: attitude coming out of high school, and uh, the stuff

822
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: that we're not going to see I think is bigger

823
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 1: for him this week than what he does on the field.

824
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 2: Any So much of Spencer, really quick, so much of

825
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 2: Spencer Rattler that you tell me about because you know

826
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 2: so much more about these guys, like in that respect,

827
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,720
Speaker 2: is so much of it. It reminds me of Jared Stidham.

828
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:42,839
Speaker 2: I just don't think that that's a good thing.

829
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know that's an interesting comp I

830
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,720
Speaker 1: politically has the talent, but does he have the drive?

831
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 3: Right?

832
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 2: Like that's the that's what you know. I don't.

833
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: I don't think the problem is that Rattler doesn't have

834
00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:01,240
Speaker 1: the drive. I think he enjoys football. To me, it's more.

835
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: I mean, you go back and you watch the Elite

836
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 1: eleven documentary when he was in and look, it's when

837
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: he was in high school. It was five six years ago,

838
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 1: Like has he grown up? It's very possible, but there's

839
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 1: some questions about what kind of teammate it is he

840
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 1: is and how guys rally around him, and does he

841
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 1: alienate guys, does he rub guys the wrong way? That

842
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 1: sort of thing. I don't think like he definitely cares

843
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 1: about football. I wouldn't say he's a guy that doesn't

844
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 1: care about football. He's not I used to use with

845
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 1: Stidham the he does. I don't think he has the

846
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:35,760
Speaker 1: Alex Moran thing right, but it's there's just some questions

847
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 1: about does he rub people the wrong way, how is

848
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 1: he in the locker room? Things like that, And again

849
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: we won't see that he's just so and he's very small.

850
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 1: He's very small. There's some like the negative elements of

851
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 1: Baker's evaluation, Baker Mayfield's evaluation. I think you see a

852
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 1: lot of Spencer Ratler, another Oklahoma guy by the way,

853
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 1: just real quick, I thought Carter Bradley had the throw

854
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 1: of the day today, that deep out he threw it

855
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 1: on the move. That was pretty much it for him

856
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 1: and Sam Hartman in terms of notable moments. I think

857
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 1: it's funny Sam Hartman shaved his beard to look younger

858
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 1: because he doesn't want scouts to think he's old, because

859
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 1: he looked like thirty five when he had that beard,

860
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:17,320
Speaker 1: and he's like twenty six, twenty seven years old or anyway,

861
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 1: But any thoughts on Hartman or Bradley.

862
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 2: Bradley's not bad, but he's an NFL backup, you know,

863
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 2: he's I don't see him as anything more than that.

864
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 2: But he's made some really good reads, I would say,

865
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 2: in these practices. Like you mentioned the the out round

866
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:36,439
Speaker 2: of the corner route that he threw today. It wasn't

867
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 2: the best most accurate pass in the world, No, it

868
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 2: made the receiver had to go to the ground to

869
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 2: make the catch, but it was the right raid on

870
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 2: the plane. I'll give him credit for that. I think

871
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 2: he's done a nice job of reading the field here

872
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 2: this week. I have no thoughts on the Notre Dame cornerback.

873
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 2: We can move on from that.

874
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:54,439
Speaker 1: All right, Let's suck because we got a couple of calls.

875
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 1: We were talking about the quarterbacks. So let's take these

876
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 1: calls and then we'll get to the other positions here.

877
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 1: Let's go to make in Virginia. I gotta remember how

878
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 1: to take this call. Jake, Do we got youa what

879
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 1: do I hit? I hit? Answer?

880
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 2: You hit the Was it like green? Right now?

881
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:17,800
Speaker 1: I click it again? All right? Jake and Virginia, we

882
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 1: got you. Yeah, there we are right figured it out, Jake, How.

883
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 3: We do good?

884
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:23,359
Speaker 2: Good?

885
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 3: A couple questions for you guys. If we assuming we

886
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:31,919
Speaker 3: take quarterback first, I guess it was our third overall pick.

887
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 3: What do you think of some names like the tackle

888
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:40,280
Speaker 3: from Byu and maybe like Joe and polk Er Xavier Legett,

889
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 3: like in the do you think those guys would be

890
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 3: available in the third round? And do you think they'd

891
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 3: be scheme fits?

892
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 1: All right, let's let's touch on the get and we

893
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 1: can use that transition to the wide receivers here for

894
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 1: the There's gonna be options. I don't know about those

895
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 1: specific players. There's gonna be options at thirty four, at

896
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 1: sixty eight. I think there's some eyes you look at.

897
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: Do you move up from thirty four on the back

898
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 1: end of the first round? A guy like Talisa Fuanga

899
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 1: if he falls, would be a guy that he forgets

900
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,240
Speaker 1: say it the mid twenties. Do you move up for him?

901
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 1: Patrick Paul? Do you move up for a guy like

902
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 1: that in the mid twenties? But I just said we

903
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 1: were gonna do receivers, and then I dipped in the

904
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 1: tackles receivers. Xavier le get did not have a good

905
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:23,919
Speaker 1: day yesterday. I don't know what was up with him,

906
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:28,760
Speaker 1: Like he's open, but he's still like putting on moves

907
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 1: on air. I don't know if he wanted to show

908
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 1: coaches that he had that in his bag, whatever that was.

909
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: But I thought today you saw much more of the

910
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 1: kind of dominant catch point receiver you were hoping to

911
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 1: see from him this week.

912
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's not my cup of tea, you know that

913
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 2: I want. I would much rather take the Roman Wilson's,

914
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 2: the lad Mcconkeye's, the pure solos of the world, Ricky

915
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 2: piersof from Florida. Like those guys run rouse, those guys

916
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 2: know how to get open. Those guys are quick, they're heady.

917
00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:01,800
Speaker 2: They're guys that are nuanced with their movement. Xavier Legett

918
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 2: is a bully receiver that is pretty good at the catchpoint. Now,

919
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 2: I'll give him this, These practices are not for Xavier

920
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 2: leget Like Xavier Lagette. I assume he's gonna play in

921
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 2: the game on Saturday, and those are the opportunities that

922
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 2: he's gonna get to catch and run with the football

923
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 2: to win it. The catchpoints down the field and just

924
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 2: bully guys with his physicality, He's not gonna impress anybody

925
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:27,800
Speaker 2: in one on ones, Like that's just not his game.

926
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 2: But what I saw from him, I feel pretty strongly

927
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 2: that I think in such a deep wide receiver class,

928
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 2: it's just not my cup of tea. Like there's so

929
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 2: many other options at that point in the draft that

930
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 2: I just don't see the need for it. I texted

931
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 2: you this comp, and I feel pretty good about Leaviscus

932
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 2: Chnault as a comp for him. Is he gonna be

933
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 2: able to run routes?

934
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 1: Like?

935
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 2: Is he gonna be able to get open in more

936
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 2: than a couple of different ways? Is he beyond a

937
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:00,839
Speaker 2: scheme touch guy? And he's also only came in at

938
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 2: like six' one or like I think he actually was

939
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 2: like six feet in in a quarter or something like that,

940
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:09,839
Speaker 2: So he's not overly tall. Like it's not like we're

941
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 2: you know, we're talking about like a six four or

942
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 2: six to three receiver. I just it's not not my brand. Now,

943
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 2: if you want to tell me that he's like discount

944
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 2: Deebo Samuel, then like maybe you could like make that argument.

945
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 2: Because he is explosive. He is a huge, huge guy,

946
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 2: Like he looks like a running back, big running back

947
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 2: linebacker type, but he just doesn't run very routes very

948
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 2: well at all.

949
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 1: And then the other ex receiver who there were a

950
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:39,439
Speaker 1: couple of these like true X guys you were looking

951
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 1: at coming into the week, could they have big weeks?

952
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 1: Was sorry? Was tes Walker, who, Yeah, I think had

953
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 1: another rough day to day.

954
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 2: Right overall, I thought he was better in one on ones,

955
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 2: had a couple of good reps, but I think the

956
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 2: biggest issue with him, oh, I guess two issues, But

957
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 2: the real biggest issue is he's had a ton of drops.

958
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 2: Like he's been dropping passes left and right. I think

959
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:08,760
Speaker 2: I had him down for three or four drops today

960
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 2: between you know, one on ones and team drills, Like,

961
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 2: what's up with that? Because he has pretty good body control.

962
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 2: I think he's got a pretty good catch radius for

963
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 2: an outside guy, but he's really struggled this week with drops.

964
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 2: And I think he had three this year at UNC,

965
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:27,319
Speaker 2: which isn't a ton, but the year before that he

966
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 2: had seven, which might have been a little bit more

967
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,839
Speaker 2: indicative of what we've seen. That was a weird thing

968
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 2: that I wasn't expecting to see from him. And he

969
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 2: hasn't created a ton of separation either on a lot

970
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 2: of his routes, so he's been wearing coverage a little bit.

971
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 2: He's been struggling with drops. It's not been a good

972
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 2: week for him.

973
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 1: So let me ask you this then at the X position,

974
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 1: and this guy may be more busy, but I feel

975
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:51,319
Speaker 1: like he's shown X skills and he had a much

976
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 1: better day today. Ricky Piersoll seems to be the guy

977
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 1: that if you're looking for that like six foot plus

978
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 1: catch point winning dominant WIE receiver, I think Ricky Piersall

979
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 1: has probably been the best of those receivers this week.

980
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 2: I really like Ricky Piersall. I think he's quick too,

981
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 2: like I think you're gonna get in and out of

982
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 2: breaks and run routes. He ran a really nice whip

983
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 2: route from the slot and or maybe it was like

984
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 2: a condensed split today. I think he's got a little

985
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 2: bit more route running than those other guys do. He's

986
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:22,399
Speaker 2: not as stiff. He can he can get in out

987
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:27,399
Speaker 2: of the break him. Roman Wilson obviously has been fantastic.

988
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 2: Ladd McConkey Uh from Georgia had a really good day yesterday.

989
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:33,800
Speaker 1: We'll get to your shifty guys, don't worry. Do you

990
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 1: want to jump to that now?

991
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 2: No, I'm just saying, you know, I'm just you know,

992
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 2: I have to get to my guys. Well, no, I was.

993
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 1: My next thing for you is going to be okay,

994
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 1: go ahead, tell us about Roman Wilson. Get it all out.

995
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 2: Oh god, yeah, Roman Wilson. You know, I really liked

996
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 2: Roman Wilson coming into this and he's done nothing but

997
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 2: but proved me right, which is always good to feel

998
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 2: when you watch the film and you're like, this guy

999
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 2: is a little bit underrated and then he comes in

1000
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 2: and has a week like this. I still get so

1001
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 2: many any Aman Rossaint Brown vibes from the way that

1002
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 2: he moves, in the way that he runs routes, just

1003
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 2: silky smooth, efficient, quick, great hands. Made that one handed

1004
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 2: catch today at the end of practice that I know

1005
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 2: is making the rounds like he's just been as advertised,

1006
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 2: if not even better. And it makes you wonder if

1007
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 2: he played in an offense, you know, if he played

1008
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 2: in Washington's offense, for example, right where they're not where

1009
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 2: they're not running the ball a thousand times like they

1010
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 2: do at Michigan. Are we talking about Roman Wilson in

1011
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 2: a much different light. He just wasn't in an offense

1012
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:37,359
Speaker 2: that allowed him to showcase these things that he's doing

1013
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 2: here at the Senior Bowl. So that's been really fun

1014
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 2: to watch. And Alam McConkie wasn't as good today as

1015
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:45,839
Speaker 2: he was yesterday and one on ones, but another one

1016
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:47,959
Speaker 2: of those guys that just knows how to get open

1017
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 2: and understands angles and you know, stems and leverage things

1018
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 2: like that. That's really heady like that, and you know

1019
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 2: to give you one though, one bully ball kind of

1020
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 2: outside hyper. Jerry Rice's son is Benton, kind of been

1021
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 2: kind of impressive. Brendan Rice from usc Is. Jerry Rice's

1022
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 2: son doesn't play like his father at all. Like he's

1023
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 2: like a big six ' two sixty three perimeter receiver.

1024
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 2: Yesterday was like all catch point stuff. He was making

1025
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 2: a lot of really great catches on contested catches down

1026
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 2: the field. Today he separated a little bit on some

1027
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 2: routes though, and I'm intrigued by him if you're looking

1028
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 2: for more of that outside guy. I think Pearsall can

1029
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 2: play on the outside, but it is probably more of

1030
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 2: like a move piece, whereas Lad mcconkee, I think could

1031
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:37,840
Speaker 2: probably you know, if Piersoll is like a fifty to

1032
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 2: fifty guy inside outside, Lad mcconkeye's probably closer to like

1033
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 2: sixty five forty five. Uh, you know in terms of

1034
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:45,839
Speaker 2: that zerole how.

1035
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 1: About roll then how Yeah, because you compare him to

1036
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 1: Alman Ross Saint Brown, but I feel like he has

1037
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:57,399
Speaker 1: more in May. I don't know. Saint Brown could maybe

1038
00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 1: play on the outside too. I mean he's in the scheme,

1039
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 1: he's in a Detroit and that he's him out of

1040
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 1: the slot and he's a weapon there for them. But

1041
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 1: I feel like Roman Wilson can be an outside guy.

1042
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 1: Maybe not one hundred percent of the time, but I

1043
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 1: feel like he can, you know, sixty forty.

1044
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:16,759
Speaker 2: I just think that his ideal role is playing off

1045
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,799
Speaker 2: the line and running him out of like bunches and

1046
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 2: stacks and things like that, where he's just gonna be

1047
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 2: able to just have a ton of space to maneuver

1048
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:28,799
Speaker 2: and work with. He's a really difficult guy to cover

1049
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 2: when he has a two way go, like if he

1050
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:33,359
Speaker 2: could go in or out like you're you're screwed, like

1051
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:36,239
Speaker 2: you can't. It's really difficult to cover guys like that

1052
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 2: that are so nuanced and shifty, So I think that

1053
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:41,879
Speaker 2: his ideal role is probably still playing, you know, off

1054
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 2: the line, in that Z flanker role. But I saw him,

1055
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 2: you know, win some verticals today and yesterday. I didn't

1056
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 2: necessarily catch that many of them, but I saw him,

1057
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:54,959
Speaker 2: you know, testing DB's and things like that over the top.

1058
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 2: So I'm not ruling it out that he could play

1059
00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:59,279
Speaker 2: a little bit on the outside. But just think of

1060
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 2: the way that you know, a team like the Lions

1061
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 2: use armand Ross Saint Brown, the way the Rams have

1062
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:10,360
Speaker 2: historically used their receivers like Pukakua and h Cooper cup

1063
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 2: just off the line, out of stacks, out of bunches,

1064
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 2: setting picks for him, setting rubs for them, those types

1065
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 2: of things I think Almah and Ross Saint Brown is

1066
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 2: so good at. And I that's why I see so

1067
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 2: much Roman Wilson, you know, so much Aman Rod and

1068
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 2: Romin Wilson. So not not necessarily like gonna run a

1069
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 2: four to three either, Right, He's probably gonna be a

1070
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:33,799
Speaker 2: guy that's if he runs anything faster than a four

1071
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 2: or five, then he's then he's really in a great time.

1072
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 1: I think he could get into the four fource. He

1073
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 1: looks pretty fast to.

1074
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 2: Me, If he does that, then he's I think he's

1075
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 2: really like going to be in the top fifty.

1076
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:47,799
Speaker 1: Conversation that wouldn't surprise me by the time we're all

1077
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:51,840
Speaker 1: sudden done. Yeah, So I think he is. He like

1078
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 1: a four four seven four four eight guy That wouldn't

1079
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:56,320
Speaker 1: be the most surprising to me. Another guy and I

1080
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:57,879
Speaker 1: have one more receiver I want to ask you about,

1081
00:53:57,880 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 1: and then I don't know if you have anybody else

1082
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 1: you want to touch on? Rumor has it runs a

1083
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 1: four to four or at least did in high school,

1084
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 1: And that's Johnny Wilson, that's I think. So he measured

1085
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:08,919
Speaker 1: it at I think six six two thirty five, right,

1086
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:11,359
Speaker 1: so I got to bring those measurements down a little bit.

1087
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 1: That's the same size as Joe Milton. He really is

1088
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 1: the Joe Milton of wide receivers. Johnny Wilson, they were

1089
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 1: talking about him maybe having to move to tight end

1090
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:21,920
Speaker 1: in the NFL, But I think he went out today

1091
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:25,479
Speaker 1: and reminded people why he's a projected top fifty pick.

1092
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:29,399
Speaker 1: A guy that big should not move that nimbly, And

1093
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:31,799
Speaker 1: yesterday he's kind of trimping over his feet a little bit.

1094
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 1: Today he was really good one on ones, and one

1095
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:37,799
Speaker 1: on ones are not usually favorable to the six foot five,

1096
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:39,240
Speaker 1: two hundred and thirty pound receiver.

1097
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 2: I don't know what he is, but he's but he's intriguing.

1098
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 1: He's wide receiver Joe Milton. So the he measured in

1099
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 1: at uh six sixth oh no, wow, he did check

1100
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 1: in at two thirty seven. Okay, so six six. He's

1101
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:00,399
Speaker 1: bigger than some of the tight ends. If I look

1102
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 1: at this, he's bigger than He's not bigger waight wise

1103
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 1: than any of the tight ends. They're at least two forty.

1104
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:08,359
Speaker 2: But okay, so is he and I and I know

1105
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:10,720
Speaker 2: that right now that this is maybe like a sour

1106
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 2: comparison from when it's come up from the year he

1107
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:15,719
Speaker 2: had last year at the Patriots. But is he Mike

1108
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:19,359
Speaker 2: ASICKI because that's sort of how I feel and that's

1109
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 2: not not no.

1110
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 1: But I think he's much care what if he runs

1111
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 1: a four to four?

1112
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 2: Oh so you think he's like DK Metcalf.

1113
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 1: Supposedly, the like college football people who track this like

1114
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 1: what what we are to the draft, The people in

1115
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 1: college football who do that with high school recruits claim

1116
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 1: he was running like four four, not in four fourths,

1117
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,760
Speaker 1: like four four four four oh that he was running

1118
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 1: a four four oh in high school.

1119
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 2: If he puts down anything like that, then then maybe

1120
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 2: I'll I'll change that compy just the way. I'm just

1121
00:55:56,719 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 2: confused as to like what exactly how I would vision

1122
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 2: his ideal NFL role because I watched him this week

1123
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:06,240
Speaker 2: and he's.

1124
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:07,320
Speaker 1: Four four two. He ran a four to four to

1125
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:10,239
Speaker 1: two supposedly supposedly he ran a four four to two

1126
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:10,800
Speaker 1: in high school.

1127
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:13,439
Speaker 2: I just feel like he kind of struggled a little

1128
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 2: bit with not necessarily stacking defenders but then like pulling

1129
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:21,879
Speaker 2: away from them in the second and third phase down

1130
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 2: the field. I thought, I don't know, I'm intrigued by

1131
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:27,840
Speaker 2: the skill set though, Like they're not that many guys

1132
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:30,759
Speaker 2: that are that big, that move that well. You know,

1133
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 2: he moves like a wide receiver, but he's built like

1134
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:35,400
Speaker 2: a tight end, which is why I kind of use

1135
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 2: the Kasiki type because I don't think that he's he's

1136
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:40,239
Speaker 2: not shifty right for his.

1137
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:42,400
Speaker 1: But he kind of is is. I don't know, I

1138
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 1: think he look, he's not Julian Edelman.

1139
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:49,839
Speaker 2: No, no, but relatively speaking for a guy that's six six,

1140
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:51,240
Speaker 2: two thirty seven.

1141
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:54,359
Speaker 1: I think he moves pretty well. And he's also I mean,

1142
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:56,239
Speaker 1: you're not gonna line him up in line, You're not,

1143
00:56:56,400 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 1: because he's not physical. You're gonna pu him at the Like,

1144
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 1: I don't what would you call a tight end that

1145
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:06,279
Speaker 1: ex exclusively lines up at the X? Is that a

1146
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 1: tight end or is that a wide receiver?

1147
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:11,959
Speaker 2: I see, I see him. I agree I that he's

1148
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 2: definitely not gonna put his hand in the dirt ye

1149
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 2: at any time in his NFL career. So like maybe

1150
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 2: he's more of like a jumbo slot, you know, I

1151
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 2: just don't know if he's necessarily.

1152
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 1: But it's not that kind of route runner.

1153
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 2: But is he like a guy that can run like

1154
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 2: seams and in cuts? Like yeah, I so.

1155
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 1: Maybe trying to tab him with the position is dumb,

1156
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:42,920
Speaker 1: Like he's gonna have to you. You're drafting, You're drafting

1157
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 1: Johnny Wilson, I think, and these are these are my

1158
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 1: favorite kind of players in the draft. And Evan, you

1159
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 1: hear me talk about this all the time, the guys

1160
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:53,560
Speaker 1: that you know, Roman Wilson is a really good player. Right,

1161
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 1: But like you just said, I'm and Ross Saint Brown,

1162
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 1: Like you're gonna find Roman Wilson. A guy like Roman

1163
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:00,680
Speaker 1: Wilson in most drafts doesn't mean he's not a good player,

1164
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 1: doesn't mean Patrick didn't take him. But there's only so

1165
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 1: many skills sets to go around Johnny Wilson. You're not

1166
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 1: gonna find Johnny Wilson any other year. Like, if you

1167
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 1: see that guy, you draft him, and you have a

1168
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:15,960
Speaker 1: plan specifically built for Johnny Wilson, we are going to

1169
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 1: use him like this. I don't think he's a guy

1170
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 1: you're drafting and saying, all right, we're gonna put him

1171
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 1: in this pre existing role we have in our offense,

1172
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 1: because I don't think that role exists in an NFL

1173
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 1: offense right now.

1174
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 2: I just look at him, and this is not a knock,

1175
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 2: but I just look at him, and I say, how

1176
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 2: great would it be to have this guy running the

1177
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 2: seam in my offense right stretching the middle of the field,

1178
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:40,480
Speaker 2: running the seam. Throw him, throw the ball up to him,

1179
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 2: and let him play basketball that you know, in the

1180
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 2: middle of the field, right, Like whether it's high pointing it,

1181
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:49,000
Speaker 2: back shoulder seams, like all the type of stuff. I

1182
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 2: just see that as a I don't know if he's

1183
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 2: a true X. I like that role. But regardless, he's

1184
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 2: got skills that are rare, you know, for a guy

1185
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 2: that size, and I'm willing to at least like give

1186
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 2: it a chance. You know, worst case scenario, he's like

1187
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 2: Scottie Washington or something like that. Best scenario, he turns

1188
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:11,120
Speaker 2: out to be somebody that can really contribue.

1189
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 1: I think, I mean ceiling Ceiling is DK like again,

1190
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 1: that big, that athletic. Now the knock it. You may

1191
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:20,200
Speaker 1: be asking why he's not a first time pick, raving

1192
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 1: about him. His hands are suspect, and it's funny because.

1193
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 2: Well, that's why I feel like I struggle with him

1194
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 2: as an ex because I don't but you know, it

1195
00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:31,919
Speaker 2: doesn't really win that at the catch point.

1196
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:33,320
Speaker 1: But here's the thing. I think he does win at

1197
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:35,800
Speaker 1: the catchpoint. To me, he is he He drops the

1198
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 1: ball when he's open, like he'll go up and win

1199
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 1: fifty to fifty balls. But when he's running like a

1200
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:43,840
Speaker 1: slant and the defender loses him and he's all alone,

1201
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 1: those are the ones to me, he drops like they're

1202
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 1: just focus drops. And I think that's coachable. It doesn't

1203
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:52,040
Speaker 1: mean you'll automatically fix it. But he's he is weird

1204
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 1: it's really weird with him because it is such a

1205
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:56,080
Speaker 1: unique skill set and so much of what we do

1206
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:58,440
Speaker 1: is based on, Hey, this guy can be this player.

1207
00:59:58,440 --> 00:59:59,480
Speaker 1: This guy can be this player.

1208
00:59:59,640 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 2: Right.

1209
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 1: Somebody said tall or heavier Quinton Johnson for Johnny Wilson.

1210
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:07,840
Speaker 1: How do you feel about that because you didn't like her,

1211
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:09,240
Speaker 1: you didn't like Quinton Johnson.

1212
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 2: I'm not a Quinton Johnson guy. I love players like

1213
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 2: Johnny Wilson too, because I feel like it's a challenge,

1214
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:18,160
Speaker 2: like find a way to use this guy because he's

1215
01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:20,360
Speaker 2: a unique player. But at the same time, when you

1216
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:22,960
Speaker 2: get into those types of players, sometimes there is no

1217
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:25,160
Speaker 2: way to use him, right. There is no way to

1218
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:27,600
Speaker 2: really maximize it, and he doesn't really have a position,

1219
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 2: and he's not really great enough at one thing to

1220
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 2: highlight this one trade or whatever. So there's a chance,

1221
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 2: you know, he's a boomer bus player to me because

1222
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:38,600
Speaker 2: of that, Like there's a chance that he just doesn't

1223
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 2: really have a position in the NFL.

1224
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:42,959
Speaker 1: Any other receivers stand out to you at Jamari Thrash

1225
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:46,720
Speaker 1: from Louisville's had a couple of good days. Ania Smith

1226
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:50,480
Speaker 1: is kind of the day three shifty slot receiver. I

1227
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 1: think he's a fun player. Luke McCaffrey, we already talked

1228
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:56,400
Speaker 1: about Brendon Rice, who's been the better family member of

1229
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 1: an NFL legend. Anybody else stand out to you?

1230
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 2: Luke mccays made some plays, you know. Yeah, he's he's

1231
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:05,920
Speaker 2: got a little bit of like the McCaffrey quickness. You know.

1232
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:07,880
Speaker 1: We know he was a quarterback, right.

1233
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:10,520
Speaker 2: Oh okay, Well then he's Jacoby Myers.

1234
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:12,840
Speaker 1: That's I was going to say, how much does he

1235
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 1: look like Jacoby? Because he played quarterback at right? He

1236
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:17,120
Speaker 1: played quarterback at right, so I think for a year

1237
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:18,960
Speaker 1: he didn't it was a backup. I think he made

1238
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:19,960
Speaker 1: like four starts.

1239
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:22,480
Speaker 2: You know, I respect Jacoby a lot, So I'm not

1240
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 2: going to sit here and say that, you know, everybody's Jacoby,

1241
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 2: but you know, I I think that he's he's got

1242
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:30,760
Speaker 2: a little bit of that like kind of heady route run,

1243
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 2: a little bit of quickness, you know, a little bit

1244
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 2: of size. Yeah, I could see that.

1245
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:37,720
Speaker 1: He's a little bit on the bigger side. I think, right,

1246
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:41,200
Speaker 1: isn't he he's Yeah, where is he here? Six one

1247
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:44,919
Speaker 1: two oh two? So I mean that's solid size. Any

1248
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:47,440
Speaker 1: other any other thoughts on the wide receiver position.

1249
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:50,920
Speaker 2: H no, but if you want to stick with the

1250
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:52,920
Speaker 2: skill positions. Though for a second, I do have some

1251
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:55,360
Speaker 2: running backs, which I know is going to shock you.

1252
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:57,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, we got a couple more calls, will

1253
01:01:57,720 --> 01:01:59,240
Speaker 1: mix them in, but let's let's talk. Oh yeah, we

1254
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:01,040
Speaker 1: got to talk about till the Lobby. Of course. I'm

1255
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:02,680
Speaker 1: assuming that's who you have the thoughts on, or one

1256
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 1: of the guys.

1257
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:08,960
Speaker 2: Dylan Dylan Lobby's this guy. Guy's legit man, Like you know,

1258
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:12,520
Speaker 2: I am anti running back. I am as anti running

1259
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:16,440
Speaker 2: back as you could possibly be. But Dylan Lobby intrigues

1260
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 2: me because they just don't have They've been searching for

1261
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 2: that type of player for a while now, really since

1262
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:25,960
Speaker 2: James White hung it up. And he's a sub package back.

1263
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:28,040
Speaker 2: Whether you want to use him by handing him the

1264
01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:30,800
Speaker 2: ball at a gun out of spread formations or you

1265
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:33,560
Speaker 2: want to throw him the ball, he's he's a sub

1266
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:36,280
Speaker 2: package back like that's exactly what he is in the NFL,

1267
01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:39,320
Speaker 2: and they definite desperately need a guy like that, especially

1268
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:41,840
Speaker 2: if they're not going to have a super mobile quarterback

1269
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:44,840
Speaker 2: again or something like that, then they really could use

1270
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:48,000
Speaker 2: like a checkdown guy, a safety valve and somebody that

1271
01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:51,080
Speaker 2: can run out of spread and things of that nature.

1272
01:02:51,160 --> 01:02:53,880
Speaker 2: And I think Dylan Lobby is really you know, he

1273
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:56,360
Speaker 2: comes from un h right, So yeah, you want to

1274
01:02:56,360 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 2: see is does it translate against better competition in the NFL.

1275
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:02,360
Speaker 2: Caliber guy absolutely has, absolutely.

1276
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:04,680
Speaker 1: Has the initial burst when he gets the ball and

1277
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:07,640
Speaker 1: puts his foot in the ground against going And there's

1278
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:09,920
Speaker 1: one play he made yesterday, Evan, I'm sure you know

1279
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:11,960
Speaker 1: which one I'm talking about. It's a shotgun hand off

1280
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:14,360
Speaker 1: and he actually gets the ball late because if there

1281
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:16,200
Speaker 1: was an issue with the snap of the handoff or something,

1282
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:19,720
Speaker 1: and he still gets out of the backfield so fast.

1283
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:23,520
Speaker 1: Whether or not the defensive end had the ability to

1284
01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:26,440
Speaker 1: set the edge was irrelevant. He's around it, he's gone,

1285
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:29,520
Speaker 1: like you needed to set that edge so quickly in

1286
01:03:29,640 --> 01:03:31,959
Speaker 1: order to contain him. And that's such a dangerous skill

1287
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:34,200
Speaker 1: set for running back to have. So I have been

1288
01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:38,280
Speaker 1: incredibly impressed with Dylan Lobby and that is absolutely a

1289
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:41,040
Speaker 1: guy like you said, you put him in the James

1290
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:44,560
Speaker 1: White role. Is he gonna be James White? I don't know.

1291
01:03:44,560 --> 01:03:46,840
Speaker 1: I mean, James White was a great, great player, But

1292
01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:49,080
Speaker 1: you talk about a guy that can truly impact the

1293
01:03:49,120 --> 01:03:52,240
Speaker 1: game on third downs in a number of ways from

1294
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:54,439
Speaker 1: the running back role. We haven't or they haven't shout

1295
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:56,000
Speaker 1: it on TV. I don't know if you've seen Evan

1296
01:03:56,240 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 1: him in any one on ones or pass pro situations,

1297
01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:01,200
Speaker 1: but with the all in his hands, yeah, he looks

1298
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:01,800
Speaker 1: very legit.

1299
01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:05,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, in what I wants. He's done a really nice

1300
01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:08,240
Speaker 2: job really all around. You know, blitz pick up, they've

1301
01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:11,200
Speaker 2: done a little bit of that where they have real

1302
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:14,200
Speaker 2: blitz pick up one on one type of matchups, blitzing

1303
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:18,360
Speaker 2: linebackers against the backs, and he's done okay, And he's

1304
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:21,400
Speaker 2: had really good hands, you know, really reliable hands. He's

1305
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:24,160
Speaker 2: got some quickness at the top of the row. Trying

1306
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:26,400
Speaker 2: to think of like Patriot Coms, like he's probably a

1307
01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:29,520
Speaker 2: little bit more Rex Burkhead than James White, or maybe

1308
01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:32,000
Speaker 2: like a little more like a bigger Danny Woodhead or

1309
01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:36,280
Speaker 2: something like that than a James White type. But I

1310
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:37,960
Speaker 2: you know, I'm not a running back guy, and I

1311
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:41,160
Speaker 2: would be okay with a Day three pick on Dylan Lobby.

1312
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:41,880
Speaker 2: I'd be cool with that.

1313
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:45,080
Speaker 1: And I don't think he's gonna go that high because

1314
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:47,720
Speaker 1: it is a good running back draft. I think that. Yeah,

1315
01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:50,160
Speaker 1: uh so they're sixty eight and the third I don't

1316
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:51,600
Speaker 1: even know what they are on the fourth off the top.

1317
01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:53,200
Speaker 1: Oh well, we don't know yet. Actually we don't know,

1318
01:04:53,240 --> 01:04:56,800
Speaker 1: but it'll be somewhere around like one ten fifteen.

1319
01:04:57,720 --> 01:04:58,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1320
01:04:59,080 --> 01:05:01,320
Speaker 1: I think that's not taking him any earlier than that.

1321
01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:04,720
Speaker 1: Maybe you can wait till the fifth round, but early

1322
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:07,960
Speaker 1: day three I would not have a problem at all.

1323
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:10,680
Speaker 1: I think that would be a great, great pick. Did

1324
01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:12,920
Speaker 1: you have any other running backs that stood out?

1325
01:05:13,240 --> 01:05:16,880
Speaker 2: So Marshawn Lloyd from USC's made some really good sketches. Yeah,

1326
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:20,080
Speaker 2: he can catch the ball. I win on vertical routes too,

1327
01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:21,960
Speaker 2: which if you're going to be a running back in

1328
01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:23,640
Speaker 2: my in my world, right.

1329
01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:25,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh you almost said it. You almost said the

1330
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:27,280
Speaker 1: M word, the m O word.

1331
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:30,400
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, no, I wasn't going there. I've learned

1332
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:35,120
Speaker 2: my lesson in my world in running backs in your offense,

1333
01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:37,960
Speaker 2: if you can't win on a wheel route, I have

1334
01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:38,840
Speaker 2: no time for you.

1335
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:40,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's been crushing the wheel routes, right.

1336
01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:43,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he can run a wheel route. He can

1337
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:45,320
Speaker 2: get up the field a little bit like if you

1338
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:47,520
Speaker 2: want to run him up the seam, you know, make

1339
01:05:47,560 --> 01:05:49,560
Speaker 2: it three strong for strong with the wheel or the

1340
01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:52,120
Speaker 2: seam like. He can definitely do that. And he's he's

1341
01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:54,280
Speaker 2: been able to catch some passes out of the back

1342
01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:56,400
Speaker 2: that he probably caught Bo Nicks his best throw of

1343
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:58,760
Speaker 2: the week so far on a wheel route on a

1344
01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:01,640
Speaker 2: mesh concept. So he's he's caught the ball pretty well.

1345
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:05,080
Speaker 2: And uh day John Edwards, I hope I'm saying his

1346
01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:06,400
Speaker 2: first name correctly from Georgia.

1347
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:06,920
Speaker 3: Uh.

1348
01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:09,080
Speaker 2: He has caught the ball a little bit too, and

1349
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:11,600
Speaker 2: has shown some ability to catch the full ball. I

1350
01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:14,640
Speaker 2: think both Lloyd and and Edwards I think are more

1351
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:17,880
Speaker 2: you know, they're stouter, like, they're stockier guys than than

1352
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:20,640
Speaker 2: Dylan Lobby. So I'm not sure they're pure third down backs,

1353
01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:23,000
Speaker 2: but I'm looking for guys that can catch the ball

1354
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:24,560
Speaker 2: a little bit out of the backfield. I think that

1355
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:25,960
Speaker 2: they could use that for sure.

1356
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:28,480
Speaker 1: I'll give you one more guy. This is the one

1357
01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:33,160
Speaker 1: you're gonna hate because ramondrous Evenson is entering a contract year.

1358
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:35,400
Speaker 1: Do you get, you know, the next early down guy.

1359
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:37,680
Speaker 1: I don't think they need to take him until late.

1360
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:40,040
Speaker 1: I mean you're talking six or seventh round, and look,

1361
01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:42,439
Speaker 1: it's easy to do this in a practice where there's

1362
01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:47,280
Speaker 1: no live tackling. But Rashena Ali from Marshall was highly highly,

1363
01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:50,560
Speaker 1: highly productive in college, and you can see why he doesn't.

1364
01:06:51,040 --> 01:06:53,240
Speaker 1: He doesn't wait around. He gets the ball and he

1365
01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:56,760
Speaker 1: is boomed north south like he does. He just attacks

1366
01:06:56,800 --> 01:07:00,320
Speaker 1: the hole with with with a purpose. That's kind all

1367
01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:02,800
Speaker 1: all he does. And I think there's a role for

1368
01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:05,880
Speaker 1: that in the NFL. I get just before we freak out,

1369
01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:09,280
Speaker 1: sixth round, seventh round. I do think he'll get drafted.

1370
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:12,160
Speaker 1: I don't think he'll be u DFA. But it's you

1371
01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:15,040
Speaker 1: see the production in college and then you go by

1372
01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:18,240
Speaker 1: the way. Also played for Jeremy Springer was the special

1373
01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:20,560
Speaker 1: teams coordinator at Marshall when Rashina Lee was the kicker.

1374
01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:23,080
Speaker 1: Was the kick with the kick return of there. But

1375
01:07:23,640 --> 01:07:26,200
Speaker 1: I don't like the running backs that do the little

1376
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:28,800
Speaker 1: jitterbug that like it's one thing if you're deng Lewis

1377
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:31,640
Speaker 1: and you're great at it, but if you're running back

1378
01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:34,760
Speaker 1: and you're over two hundred and ten pounds, hit the hole.

1379
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:38,440
Speaker 1: Just get the ball, hit the hole, fall forward. Rashiin

1380
01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:40,600
Speaker 1: Ali hits the hole with purpose. So I don't know

1381
01:07:40,600 --> 01:07:43,000
Speaker 1: if you have any thoughts on him, but sign me

1382
01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:45,080
Speaker 1: up for him late on day three to come in

1383
01:07:45,120 --> 01:07:48,440
Speaker 1: and just be a be a early down rotational running back.

1384
01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:52,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're not a fan of Barry Sanders, Apparently he

1385
01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:52,680
Speaker 2: does too much.

1386
01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:56,400
Speaker 1: Again, if you're Barry Sanders, great, go for it. I'm

1387
01:07:56,480 --> 01:07:58,600
Speaker 1: saying the guys like, you know, not to pick on

1388
01:07:58,640 --> 01:08:01,080
Speaker 1: a former Patriot, but like Lauren Smerni would sit back

1389
01:08:01,120 --> 01:08:03,160
Speaker 1: there all day and wait for a hole that was

1390
01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:06,680
Speaker 1: never going to open. If you're Barry Sanders, also, wasn't

1391
01:08:06,680 --> 01:08:08,560
Speaker 1: over two hundred pounds and put that qualifier on it.

1392
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:11,600
Speaker 1: If you're especially in the modern NFL where you're gonna

1393
01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:14,640
Speaker 1: have these smaller linebackers and the safeties playing in the box,

1394
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:17,320
Speaker 1: and you have the size advantage, get ahead of steam

1395
01:08:17,360 --> 01:08:19,800
Speaker 1: and go. Don't waste time, get ahead of steam and go.

1396
01:08:20,160 --> 01:08:22,000
Speaker 1: And it felt like Rashina Lee did a good job

1397
01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:22,679
Speaker 1: of showing that.

1398
01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:26,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, you think Barry Sanders sucks, That's what I heard.

1399
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:29,320
Speaker 1: I get. No, he's not over two hundred Was Barry

1400
01:08:29,360 --> 01:08:30,599
Speaker 1: Sanders over two hundred and ten pounds?

1401
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:34,240
Speaker 2: There's no way I know we can move on. I've

1402
01:08:34,240 --> 01:08:36,680
Speaker 2: already done enough, wasted enough time on running back.

1403
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:44,160
Speaker 1: No, but Dylan Lobby's a guy, local guy. Yeah, and

1404
01:08:44,280 --> 01:08:47,120
Speaker 1: he would he would make the football team better. Yeah,

1405
01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:48,840
Speaker 1: and that's ultimately this is all about all right, let's

1406
01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:49,400
Speaker 1: get some calls.

1407
01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:51,280
Speaker 2: That's big of me to say, by the way, that

1408
01:08:51,320 --> 01:08:52,200
Speaker 2: I agree with that.

1409
01:08:52,320 --> 01:08:55,360
Speaker 1: Well, he's like a hybrid receiver like you were always

1410
01:08:55,360 --> 01:08:58,040
Speaker 1: gonna kind of like again, if you would like Rashena Lee,

1411
01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:01,840
Speaker 1: I'd be a little more surprised. I'm more surprised you're

1412
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:05,439
Speaker 1: as eager about Joe Milton. I'm more surprised you're as

1413
01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:07,120
Speaker 1: eager about Joe Milton. And I knew you were gonna

1414
01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:09,360
Speaker 1: like to a lobby. That was an easy one. Let's

1415
01:09:09,400 --> 01:09:11,000
Speaker 1: go to and we'll take some calls. Then we'll get

1416
01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:14,479
Speaker 1: to the tackles. Tyler in South Carolina has been hanging

1417
01:09:14,520 --> 01:09:16,160
Speaker 1: on for quite a bit. Tyler, thanks for that.

1418
01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:22,000
Speaker 5: Hey, any guys doing Hey good. So as far as

1419
01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:23,439
Speaker 5: the draft graft, I got two things.

1420
01:09:24,080 --> 01:09:25,920
Speaker 4: One I would have my eyes.

1421
01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:28,799
Speaker 5: On Jaj McCarthy. He's kind of that like a hybrid

1422
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:32,040
Speaker 5: quarterback as the Washington Group his Michigan Daves. And he's

1423
01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:34,559
Speaker 5: got a great place now. He can throw that ball

1424
01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:39,160
Speaker 5: at least forty yards And if we don't go for

1425
01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:42,080
Speaker 5: a quarterback in the draft. Do you think we go

1426
01:09:42,120 --> 01:09:46,559
Speaker 5: out get a vet, keep Zappy has that train kind

1427
01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:50,720
Speaker 5: of motivate. Zachy makes Jappie better, So that way even

1428
01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:54,360
Speaker 5: comes time where our vet quarterback goes Zappies rates at

1429
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:56,519
Speaker 5: then and see like.

1430
01:09:56,560 --> 01:10:00,759
Speaker 1: The next Brady, Yeah, I I don't know about Thanks

1431
01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:04,879
Speaker 1: for the call real quick on Zappi. You're not keeping

1432
01:10:05,400 --> 01:10:07,960
Speaker 1: Zappy and signing a veteran and having Zampi as the

1433
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:09,920
Speaker 1: backup with the planet. Hand the keys over to him.

1434
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:13,040
Speaker 1: He's in his third year. Either he's your starting quarterback

1435
01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:17,280
Speaker 1: or he's your backup quarterback. Brady, Right, Yeah, we need

1436
01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:20,040
Speaker 1: to need to calm down with that. And we've all

1437
01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:23,599
Speaker 1: talked about JJ McCarthy. I just he's so I'm higher

1438
01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:26,200
Speaker 1: on him than you I think at this point, which

1439
01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:29,920
Speaker 1: is I didn't see coming. Does he do some things

1440
01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:34,479
Speaker 1: that interest me? Yes, Like I think his athleticism, I

1441
01:10:34,479 --> 01:10:39,240
Speaker 1: think his size. Okay, there's something there. He's so far

1442
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:41,160
Speaker 1: away from being able to win games in the NFL.

1443
01:10:41,640 --> 01:10:46,160
Speaker 1: The discipline, the field, vision, the consistency. Look, he just

1444
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:49,280
Speaker 1: turned twenty one earlier this month. He has time. That's

1445
01:10:49,320 --> 01:10:51,040
Speaker 1: a guy that needs to sit for a year or two.

1446
01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:54,400
Speaker 1: That's the guy. If it's twenty eighteen and Tom Brady's

1447
01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:57,960
Speaker 1: still here and you have you know, all right, we

1448
01:10:58,040 --> 01:11:00,599
Speaker 1: got a couple of years left, that's guy you take

1449
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:02,599
Speaker 1: like he needs to be on a Jordan Love path.

1450
01:11:03,320 --> 01:11:05,679
Speaker 1: And the Patriots don't have the starting quarterback, they don't

1451
01:11:05,680 --> 01:11:08,360
Speaker 1: have the Tom Brady Aaron Rodgers to do that. You

1452
01:11:08,479 --> 01:11:11,680
Speaker 1: hand that key, that kid the key's day one. I

1453
01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:16,280
Speaker 1: don't think it's gonna go. Well, so there is I understand.

1454
01:11:16,760 --> 01:11:18,479
Speaker 1: I've come around more on like, all right, if you

1455
01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:20,519
Speaker 1: want to talk to me about JJ McCarty in the

1456
01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:25,040
Speaker 1: second round for a certain kind of team, sure, I

1457
01:11:25,040 --> 01:11:27,240
Speaker 1: don't think the Patriots are that kind of team.

1458
01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:30,519
Speaker 2: Yeah. I've actually asked a few people that you know,

1459
01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:35,040
Speaker 2: I've talked to here about JJ McCarthy because I am

1460
01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:39,400
Speaker 2: so low on JJ McCarthy. It seems like compared to

1461
01:11:39,400 --> 01:11:42,519
Speaker 2: the league, like you know, guys like Daniel Jeremiah for example,

1462
01:11:42,520 --> 01:11:44,920
Speaker 2: who's plugged into the league and has you know, so

1463
01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:47,720
Speaker 2: many friends in scouting, how's this guy as like a

1464
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:50,400
Speaker 2: first round pick, you know, a top twenty five player

1465
01:11:50,439 --> 01:11:52,840
Speaker 2: in the class. You know that type of thing. Dame

1466
01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:55,720
Speaker 2: Brugler similar like has him like close to the first round,

1467
01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:58,559
Speaker 2: if not in the first round. So I think the

1468
01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:02,559
Speaker 2: thing that with McCarthy is that, yeah, you can make

1469
01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:06,120
Speaker 2: a cut up film of like five minutes of him

1470
01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:08,400
Speaker 2: making all sorts of NFL throws right, Like, you can

1471
01:12:08,479 --> 01:12:12,840
Speaker 2: do that, but it's that's just a snapshot of the

1472
01:12:13,000 --> 01:12:16,120
Speaker 2: entire picture with him. So yeah, it's in there like that.

1473
01:12:16,280 --> 01:12:19,240
Speaker 2: You can see all right, he throws this, you know,

1474
01:12:19,840 --> 01:12:22,840
Speaker 2: a scene with zip He throws a slant with a

1475
01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:25,439
Speaker 2: good touch and timing on that crossing route that everybody

1476
01:12:25,439 --> 01:12:28,280
Speaker 2: shows against the hiding as Ohio State. Right, he can

1477
01:12:28,280 --> 01:12:30,040
Speaker 2: get out of the pocket, he can run around a

1478
01:12:30,080 --> 01:12:32,160
Speaker 2: little bit, like you can show all those types of things,

1479
01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:35,559
Speaker 2: but is any of it consistent? Has any of it developed? Like,

1480
01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:39,040
Speaker 2: absolutely not, And that's that's just the difference between it

1481
01:12:39,080 --> 01:12:42,200
Speaker 2: for me, a first round pick versus maybe some other people.

1482
01:12:42,360 --> 01:12:44,439
Speaker 2: To be a first round pick should be ready to

1483
01:12:44,479 --> 01:12:47,000
Speaker 2: play tomorrow, Like he should be able to walk onto

1484
01:12:47,080 --> 01:12:49,479
Speaker 2: the team and be the best quarterback on the field.

1485
01:12:49,880 --> 01:12:52,320
Speaker 2: I don't think Jajon McCarthy is is going to be that,

1486
01:12:52,720 --> 01:12:54,479
Speaker 2: So that to me is more of like a Day

1487
01:12:54,479 --> 01:12:57,720
Speaker 2: two guy. That's worth developing, but isn't someone that I'm

1488
01:12:57,760 --> 01:13:00,280
Speaker 2: taking in the first round. So I guess that where

1489
01:13:00,280 --> 01:13:01,400
Speaker 2: I'm at with Danie McCartney.

1490
01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:03,960
Speaker 1: Let's go to Matt in Washington and then we'll get

1491
01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:09,639
Speaker 1: into the big boys, the tackles. Matt, how are we going, Matt?

1492
01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:10,040
Speaker 1: You got me?

1493
01:13:11,680 --> 01:13:15,439
Speaker 6: Hey, guys, Hey, any concern that the Juju in Parker

1494
01:13:15,479 --> 01:13:19,479
Speaker 6: contracts make it hard to really attack the wide receiver position?

1495
01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:22,840
Speaker 6: And what a good offseason for it? You know, I'd

1496
01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:25,439
Speaker 6: love to see them sign one and draft one early

1497
01:13:25,479 --> 01:13:28,240
Speaker 6: on or double dip in a great class. But do

1498
01:13:28,360 --> 01:13:31,240
Speaker 6: you start to run into like a rep tissue where

1499
01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:34,639
Speaker 6: you either aren't giving a highly drafted rookie enough playing

1500
01:13:34,680 --> 01:13:37,040
Speaker 6: time or you're setting up a tough situation where you're

1501
01:13:37,560 --> 01:13:41,200
Speaker 6: trying to minimize the role of two veterans account almost

1502
01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:42,760
Speaker 6: like twenty million dollars against.

1503
01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:44,920
Speaker 1: The cop Yeah, Matt, thanks to God. Look, it's a

1504
01:13:44,920 --> 01:13:47,519
Speaker 1: great question. It's a great question. What do you do

1505
01:13:47,960 --> 01:13:50,000
Speaker 1: when you need to add to the wide receiver position,

1506
01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:53,240
Speaker 1: but you have two players who maybe aren't starting caliber

1507
01:13:53,280 --> 01:13:56,559
Speaker 1: players right now that you owe a lot of money too.

1508
01:13:57,439 --> 01:13:59,599
Speaker 1: I do think they need to be cognizant of the reps.

1509
01:13:59,640 --> 01:14:01,160
Speaker 1: I think the worst thing they can do is draft

1510
01:14:01,160 --> 01:14:04,080
Speaker 1: a guy high and sit them, especially when wide receiver

1511
01:14:04,200 --> 01:14:08,639
Speaker 1: more than any other position. The correlation between year one

1512
01:14:08,720 --> 01:14:12,439
Speaker 1: and overall success or lack thereof, is legit. If you're

1513
01:14:12,439 --> 01:14:14,760
Speaker 1: a good wide receiver, you produce in your one. If

1514
01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:17,560
Speaker 1: you're not, you don't. There's just not really who is

1515
01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:20,680
Speaker 1: the last wide receiver that didn't really burst on the

1516
01:14:20,720 --> 01:14:23,200
Speaker 1: scene until two, three, four years in his career. You

1517
01:14:23,240 --> 01:14:25,720
Speaker 1: don't see that anymore. You know who these guys are

1518
01:14:25,720 --> 01:14:30,120
Speaker 1: from the jump, So I think they should be open

1519
01:14:30,160 --> 01:14:33,479
Speaker 1: to moving one, if not both of them, because it's

1520
01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:35,599
Speaker 1: gonna be expensive. It's gonna be a tough contract to eat.

1521
01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:38,960
Speaker 1: When we talk about cap space, really what we're talking

1522
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:40,880
Speaker 1: about is how easy it is to maneuver your roster.

1523
01:14:41,439 --> 01:14:43,519
Speaker 1: And that can be signing for agents, but it can

1524
01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:46,880
Speaker 1: also be, hey, we can you know if you have

1525
01:14:46,920 --> 01:14:49,320
Speaker 1: a wide receiver or two you love in the draft,

1526
01:14:49,439 --> 01:14:52,599
Speaker 1: Roman Wilson, right, and you're probably gonna use Roman Wilson

1527
01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:55,200
Speaker 1: that Z type role we saw Jujus and the Shuster

1528
01:14:55,320 --> 01:14:58,639
Speaker 1: in all right, we can afford to have. I don't

1529
01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:00,160
Speaker 1: know how much the dead money is on Juju off

1530
01:15:00,160 --> 01:15:01,360
Speaker 1: the top of my head, but I think it's like

1531
01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:05,439
Speaker 1: eleven million. We can afford to have eleven million in

1532
01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:08,760
Speaker 1: dead money because we're gonna be paying Roman Wilson nine

1533
01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:12,200
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars and we're gonna have our starting wide receiver.

1534
01:15:12,320 --> 01:15:15,519
Speaker 1: So we're allocating twelve million dollars over all of this position,

1535
01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:18,439
Speaker 1: which is about right for a starting zet. Now for

1536
01:15:18,520 --> 01:15:20,880
Speaker 1: that to work, you have to have to have to

1537
01:15:20,960 --> 01:15:23,320
Speaker 1: hit on the pick, and that this is basically what

1538
01:15:23,360 --> 01:15:26,719
Speaker 1: the Rams did. It's a little different because they already

1539
01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:30,280
Speaker 1: had the dead money from a number of different things

1540
01:15:30,360 --> 01:15:31,800
Speaker 1: they did with their roster. It's not like they were

1541
01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:34,720
Speaker 1: just cutting guys to reset the roster, but they had

1542
01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:36,760
Speaker 1: to ball on a budget, for lack of a better term,

1543
01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:38,920
Speaker 1: they had to win on the margins they drafted. Well, right,

1544
01:15:38,920 --> 01:15:40,599
Speaker 1: if you end up with a guy like Pouk and Akua,

1545
01:15:41,320 --> 01:15:44,040
Speaker 1: the twelve million dollars in dead money for jujus from

1546
01:15:44,040 --> 01:15:47,280
Speaker 1: the shoster doesn't hurt that bad. Now, if you miss

1547
01:15:47,280 --> 01:15:49,000
Speaker 1: on the pick, you miss on the pick, and that sucks.

1548
01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:52,960
Speaker 1: But it's that's the position they've put themselves in. So

1549
01:15:53,439 --> 01:15:55,759
Speaker 1: I do think it's something that they certainly should consider

1550
01:15:55,800 --> 01:15:58,519
Speaker 1: I'm not saying cut every bad player and have fifty

1551
01:15:58,560 --> 01:16:01,719
Speaker 1: million in dead cap, but I do think there should

1552
01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:04,120
Speaker 1: be spots they should look to pick. Whether it is

1553
01:16:04,120 --> 01:16:06,120
Speaker 1: a guy like Juju Smith Schuster, whether it is a

1554
01:16:06,160 --> 01:16:09,479
Speaker 1: guy like Devonte Parker, you know, on the defensive side

1555
01:16:09,479 --> 01:16:11,240
Speaker 1: of the ball. Davon Gotcha actually doesn't have a lot

1556
01:16:11,240 --> 01:16:13,040
Speaker 1: of dead money. He has some, but it's not a lot.

1557
01:16:13,080 --> 01:16:15,240
Speaker 1: They can open up a lot of money if they're

1558
01:16:15,240 --> 01:16:18,280
Speaker 1: confident they can address those holes and improve the roster.

1559
01:16:18,360 --> 01:16:20,720
Speaker 1: You eating money is not a bad thing to do

1560
01:16:20,760 --> 01:16:21,480
Speaker 1: this offseason.

1561
01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:25,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that. I'm with you on the eating

1562
01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:28,360
Speaker 2: money thing. I do think that should be on the table.

1563
01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:32,519
Speaker 1: Is it's by the way, it's twelve million for Juju

1564
01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:35,120
Speaker 1: if they caught him nine dead money, twelve million if

1565
01:16:35,160 --> 01:16:36,640
Speaker 1: they caught him nine million if they trade him. So

1566
01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:38,320
Speaker 1: if you can find like the John of Smith trade

1567
01:16:38,360 --> 01:16:40,240
Speaker 1: where you just move him for like a seventh round

1568
01:16:40,240 --> 01:16:42,840
Speaker 1: pick swap, you save three million, and I think they

1569
01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:44,560
Speaker 1: could be able to do that. I bet think he

1570
01:16:44,600 --> 01:16:46,720
Speaker 1: gets somebody to take them for you know, you're you're

1571
01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:49,280
Speaker 1: not gonna be paying him anything, and I bet they

1572
01:16:49,320 --> 01:16:50,080
Speaker 1: you trade him.

1573
01:16:50,840 --> 01:16:53,800
Speaker 2: Maybe, But I'm with you. I think that you have to.

1574
01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:56,400
Speaker 2: That's some cost at this point, and the worst thing

1575
01:16:56,439 --> 01:16:58,479
Speaker 2: that you can do, like you said, was create a

1576
01:16:58,520 --> 01:17:01,800
Speaker 2: long jam at those positions and then be forced to

1577
01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:05,360
Speaker 2: May this regime doesn't feel as forced to pay the

1578
01:17:05,439 --> 01:17:08,439
Speaker 2: experienced guy over the rookie year or whatever. But I

1579
01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:10,360
Speaker 2: just don't even want to give him that option. And

1580
01:17:10,680 --> 01:17:13,519
Speaker 2: I would just cut my losses if I could with

1581
01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:15,439
Speaker 2: both of those guys. Even if you have to eat

1582
01:17:15,479 --> 01:17:17,360
Speaker 2: some of the dead cap, I'd be okay with that.

1583
01:17:17,800 --> 01:17:20,439
Speaker 2: And maybe wait, you know, maybe wait until you get

1584
01:17:20,479 --> 01:17:23,680
Speaker 2: into camp. Got you know, team This happens every year

1585
01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:26,200
Speaker 2: teams around the league. Guys that get injured. Teams don't

1586
01:17:26,280 --> 01:17:28,160
Speaker 2: like their wide receiver room as much as they thought

1587
01:17:28,200 --> 01:17:30,800
Speaker 2: they would, and they are looking to add veterans and

1588
01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:33,640
Speaker 2: things like that, and that's where Parker or Juju is

1589
01:17:33,680 --> 01:17:35,840
Speaker 2: able to get moved. I don't know if they're gonna

1590
01:17:36,280 --> 01:17:39,000
Speaker 2: be able to the Juju or the John who excuse me.

1591
01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:42,720
Speaker 2: Some situation was unique because Arthur Smith coached him in

1592
01:17:42,760 --> 01:17:45,200
Speaker 2: Tennessee and got the most out room with the Titans

1593
01:17:45,240 --> 01:17:49,040
Speaker 2: and wanted them back. I don't know if they're maybe Kansas.

1594
01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:54,080
Speaker 1: City or or Washington, Eric p enemy. Yeah right, because

1595
01:17:54,080 --> 01:17:57,720
Speaker 1: the enemy was the OC there that year, right, Yeah, yeah,

1596
01:17:57,800 --> 01:18:00,559
Speaker 1: so maybe maybe Washington. I mean they need they could

1597
01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:02,599
Speaker 1: use a guy like that, right, They've got Terry McLaurin

1598
01:18:02,640 --> 01:18:05,240
Speaker 1: on the outside. They've got Tammy Brown kind of as

1599
01:18:05,240 --> 01:18:07,200
Speaker 1: a speech or they could use a chain mover, certainly,

1600
01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:10,240
Speaker 1: especially for a for a young quarterbacks. So all right,

1601
01:18:10,240 --> 01:18:13,120
Speaker 1: you'ready getting the big guys because this has probably been

1602
01:18:13,160 --> 01:18:15,559
Speaker 1: the most Has this been the most fun group of

1603
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:16,280
Speaker 1: any down there?

1604
01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:20,800
Speaker 2: I think it's been the best group. You know, the

1605
01:18:21,320 --> 01:18:23,800
Speaker 2: receivers have been really good too, But I would say

1606
01:18:23,800 --> 01:18:26,400
Speaker 2: that in terms of top to bottom the best group.

1607
01:18:26,439 --> 01:18:29,800
Speaker 2: I mean, there's probably eight or nine guys that we

1608
01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:32,479
Speaker 2: could discuss in this conversation at the tackle position. But

1609
01:18:32,520 --> 01:18:34,320
Speaker 2: I will say one thing, and there is nothing against

1610
01:18:34,320 --> 01:18:37,479
Speaker 2: an anyway. Some of these names are like giving me

1611
01:18:37,520 --> 01:18:40,880
Speaker 2: a tough time, Alex. You know, I really we could.

1612
01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:42,920
Speaker 2: I could appreciate some easier names on these.

1613
01:18:43,160 --> 01:18:48,679
Speaker 1: I have them all except uh Sua Madiata, the kid

1614
01:18:48,760 --> 01:18:52,400
Speaker 1: from from by the rest of them, so they had.

1615
01:18:53,439 --> 01:18:55,639
Speaker 1: He goes by Tally. I think his full name is Talise,

1616
01:18:55,680 --> 01:18:58,680
Speaker 1: but he goes by Tali Fuanga there's no en in there,

1617
01:18:58,720 --> 01:19:01,760
Speaker 1: but it's like the tongue of ie, right like tua. Yeah,

1618
01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:05,360
Speaker 1: so it's helped us. They've had these guys on NFL network,

1619
01:19:05,479 --> 01:19:09,040
Speaker 1: So Tali Fuanga. There's been two guys I think that

1620
01:19:09,120 --> 01:19:11,559
Speaker 1: have really stood out as in a group that's been

1621
01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:15,200
Speaker 1: good overall. Talifuanga. I'm just gonna say it as many

1622
01:19:15,200 --> 01:19:16,559
Speaker 1: time as I can to flex that I know how

1623
01:19:16,600 --> 01:19:19,280
Speaker 1: to say it. And a little bit easier name Tyler Guidon.

1624
01:19:19,439 --> 01:19:24,600
Speaker 1: So it's Oregon State, Oklahoma. Those two guys just dominant,

1625
01:19:24,920 --> 01:19:27,720
Speaker 1: just dominant, and they they win in different ways. I

1626
01:19:27,760 --> 01:19:32,719
Speaker 1: think Fuanga's more the big stout. He's just gonna envelop

1627
01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:34,519
Speaker 1: you like you come at him. You can try to spin,

1628
01:19:34,600 --> 01:19:36,760
Speaker 1: you can try to do this or that. He's just

1629
01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:40,000
Speaker 1: too big. Whereas Tyler Gidon, what impresses me about him

1630
01:19:40,120 --> 01:19:43,200
Speaker 1: so much is when we talk about these big tackles.

1631
01:19:43,200 --> 01:19:46,240
Speaker 1: We did this a lot last year, Evan with my

1632
01:19:46,280 --> 01:19:49,160
Speaker 1: guy from Ohio State, Dwan Jones. Was the concern is

1633
01:19:49,200 --> 01:19:52,559
Speaker 1: when you're that big, can you move? Can you get

1634
01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:54,519
Speaker 1: to the outside? Because when you see a three hundred

1635
01:19:55,000 --> 01:19:56,960
Speaker 1: called three hundred and thirty plus pound tackle, I think

1636
01:19:57,000 --> 01:19:58,640
Speaker 1: when you're lining up across from a three hundred and

1637
01:19:58,640 --> 01:20:01,400
Speaker 1: thirty plus pound tackle. The first instinct, the first thing

1638
01:20:01,400 --> 01:20:05,240
Speaker 1: that the defensive game planners, defensive edge rushers will come

1639
01:20:05,280 --> 01:20:07,120
Speaker 1: up with, is all right, what can I run around him?

1640
01:20:07,360 --> 01:20:09,320
Speaker 1: Can he get to the edge? And I think the

1641
01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:11,599
Speaker 1: coaching staff and Jim Naggy have done a very good

1642
01:20:11,640 --> 01:20:14,559
Speaker 1: job in this of They've shown what happens when you

1643
01:20:14,600 --> 01:20:17,200
Speaker 1: try to go you know, five tech seven, tech wide

1644
01:20:17,320 --> 01:20:21,360
Speaker 1: nine around Tyler Goeyden. You're not running around Tyler Guyden.

1645
01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:24,000
Speaker 1: Dude is such a good athlete. He moves so well

1646
01:20:24,320 --> 01:20:27,000
Speaker 1: at six seven three twenty eight. You're not running around

1647
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:28,439
Speaker 1: that guy. And they're trying to spin on him and

1648
01:20:28,439 --> 01:20:30,840
Speaker 1: this and that, and once he gets his hands on

1649
01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:33,519
Speaker 1: you too, you're not getting away. He's too strong, He's

1650
01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:37,960
Speaker 1: too big, fast, strong tackles. So I don't know where

1651
01:20:37,960 --> 01:20:41,600
Speaker 1: you are Fuanga versus Geyiten. But I think in a

1652
01:20:41,600 --> 01:20:44,439
Speaker 1: group that's been good, those who have really stood out

1653
01:20:44,439 --> 01:20:45,400
Speaker 1: as the winners.

1654
01:20:46,080 --> 01:20:48,840
Speaker 2: I agree. I think Floga is more of the technician.

1655
01:20:49,080 --> 01:20:52,680
Speaker 2: You know, he's a little bit more a season than experienced,

1656
01:20:52,720 --> 01:20:55,840
Speaker 2: and you can tell that his plan is a little

1657
01:20:55,840 --> 01:20:58,040
Speaker 2: bit more developed. I think that's the biggest thing. Whether

1658
01:20:58,120 --> 01:21:01,200
Speaker 2: it's pass rushers or tackles, you have to have a

1659
01:21:01,200 --> 01:21:04,680
Speaker 2: plan of how you're gonna first, you know, initial contact,

1660
01:21:04,720 --> 01:21:07,760
Speaker 2: initial point, at the apex point of the rush, and

1661
01:21:07,920 --> 01:21:10,920
Speaker 2: obviously to handle counters as well and in need. There

1662
01:21:10,960 --> 01:21:13,120
Speaker 2: are some good edge rushers in this group as well.

1663
01:21:13,200 --> 01:21:16,519
Speaker 2: You know late to lat Too from UCLA is gonna

1664
01:21:16,520 --> 01:21:19,839
Speaker 2: be a dude like that guy is really good, awesome speed,

1665
01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:22,400
Speaker 2: cross chop, all of it. And I think that when

1666
01:21:22,439 --> 01:21:24,880
Speaker 2: you face those types of guys, you have to be

1667
01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:27,639
Speaker 2: able to have a lot of different ways and bury

1668
01:21:27,720 --> 01:21:30,200
Speaker 2: your sets in your hand placement, your usage. I think

1669
01:21:30,200 --> 01:21:32,880
Speaker 2: that's more fun. Say his name again, because I'm gonna

1670
01:21:32,880 --> 01:21:38,280
Speaker 2: freaking butcher it the whole season. That's more Fuanga's game

1671
01:21:38,520 --> 01:21:42,639
Speaker 2: is more technician chess match, you know that sort of thing.

1672
01:21:43,400 --> 01:21:47,120
Speaker 2: Tyler Goeyton right now is all raw athleticism and potential.

1673
01:21:47,320 --> 01:21:50,280
Speaker 2: I if I was a team that felt really really

1674
01:21:50,280 --> 01:21:53,200
Speaker 2: good about my offensive line coach and my offensive line

1675
01:21:53,200 --> 01:21:56,799
Speaker 2: coach being able to develop a guy like Tyler Geiton,

1676
01:21:57,160 --> 01:21:59,600
Speaker 2: I would draft Tyler Gouyiton in the first round, no

1677
01:21:59,720 --> 01:22:02,680
Speaker 2: question ask and hand him off to Dante Scarnaki and

1678
01:22:02,720 --> 01:22:04,920
Speaker 2: watch him turn into an all pro, right, Like, I

1679
01:22:05,080 --> 01:22:08,160
Speaker 2: really feel he's got that kind of potential. But he's

1680
01:22:08,200 --> 01:22:10,479
Speaker 2: a little bit green in terms of his hand placement

1681
01:22:10,560 --> 01:22:12,719
Speaker 2: and some of the things I've seen with his set

1682
01:22:12,720 --> 01:22:16,000
Speaker 2: points in his pass pro. But he's really really good

1683
01:22:16,360 --> 01:22:20,000
Speaker 2: at being patient and understanding, Hey, I can mirror guys.

1684
01:22:20,040 --> 01:22:22,479
Speaker 2: I have the footspeed to do this, and I have

1685
01:22:22,600 --> 01:22:25,080
Speaker 2: the power and the strength and the body composition to

1686
01:22:25,160 --> 01:22:28,000
Speaker 2: just catch guys as well. So I think that he's

1687
01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:30,400
Speaker 2: got that ability to be patient, sit back in his

1688
01:22:30,520 --> 01:22:34,559
Speaker 2: chair and just mirror guys in past protection. That's gonna

1689
01:22:34,600 --> 01:22:37,280
Speaker 2: lend itself really well to the next level. That's number

1690
01:22:37,280 --> 01:22:40,559
Speaker 2: one thing then we look at. Also is run blocking

1691
01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:45,360
Speaker 2: with Biton Yea, the Yukon guard. I'm begging on his name.

1692
01:22:45,560 --> 01:22:48,519
Speaker 2: I'll look it up. Him and the entire guy and

1693
01:22:48,600 --> 01:22:53,080
Speaker 2: have had some dominant dominant reps. Christian Haynes, who's from Yukon.

1694
01:22:53,560 --> 01:22:56,120
Speaker 2: He's had a nice week down here and he's done

1695
01:22:56,160 --> 01:22:58,519
Speaker 2: a great job with Tyler guyon on some double team

1696
01:22:58,560 --> 01:23:01,400
Speaker 2: blocks based blocks things like that. That those two guys

1697
01:23:01,400 --> 01:23:04,400
Speaker 2: have been moving people on the right side. So both

1698
01:23:04,439 --> 01:23:07,240
Speaker 2: these guys are right tackles. You should mention that you

1699
01:23:07,280 --> 01:23:08,120
Speaker 2: know they're both these guys.

1700
01:23:08,200 --> 01:23:10,599
Speaker 1: So I want to ask you, do you think because

1701
01:23:10,600 --> 01:23:13,080
Speaker 1: they asked Suwanga today on NFL Network if I mean,

1702
01:23:13,080 --> 01:23:14,559
Speaker 1: obviously he's going to say yes, but they asked him

1703
01:23:14,560 --> 01:23:16,799
Speaker 1: about playing left tackle. He said yes. I think Geiton

1704
01:23:17,240 --> 01:23:19,880
Speaker 1: he's so raw, he's early in his development. Like, do

1705
01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:25,759
Speaker 1: you see either of those guys as potential left tackles.

1706
01:23:27,080 --> 01:23:29,559
Speaker 2: I would say Giton more just because of the foot

1707
01:23:29,560 --> 01:23:30,400
Speaker 2: speed in the range.

1708
01:23:30,439 --> 01:23:30,560
Speaker 3: You know.

1709
01:23:30,600 --> 01:23:33,320
Speaker 2: The one thing about playing left tackle, you're facing a

1710
01:23:33,360 --> 01:23:35,559
Speaker 2: lot of the same rushers no matter which sides you

1711
01:23:35,640 --> 01:23:39,439
Speaker 2: play on. Some guys actually prefer, you know, like if TJ.

1712
01:23:39,560 --> 01:23:41,960
Speaker 2: Watt prefers to rush on the right tackle, so like

1713
01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:45,280
Speaker 2: you're gonna face high end competition on both sides. But

1714
01:23:45,280 --> 01:23:47,200
Speaker 2: I think about left tackle is that you get left

1715
01:23:47,280 --> 01:23:49,760
Speaker 2: one on one a whole lot more on the back

1716
01:23:49,800 --> 01:23:52,120
Speaker 2: side of pass pro, and so that makes it a

1717
01:23:52,160 --> 01:23:54,800
Speaker 2: little bit harder. And I think Geyon is a guy

1718
01:23:54,840 --> 01:23:57,840
Speaker 2: that has the athleticism to do that. I don't. I

1719
01:23:57,880 --> 01:24:01,080
Speaker 2: think could easily be a left tackel probably too, just

1720
01:24:01,120 --> 01:24:04,240
Speaker 2: with his technique and trusting himself over there. But I

1721
01:24:04,280 --> 01:24:06,760
Speaker 2: think that he's someone that's been pretty entrenched on the

1722
01:24:06,840 --> 01:24:08,559
Speaker 2: right side, and I would leave him over there.

1723
01:24:09,120 --> 01:24:12,040
Speaker 1: All right, other guys in this group that have stood out,

1724
01:24:12,320 --> 01:24:14,439
Speaker 1: we'll get We'll get to the standouts in a good win.

1725
01:24:14,479 --> 01:24:17,840
Speaker 1: And then there's a couple guys who have struggled. So no,

1726
01:24:17,920 --> 01:24:19,519
Speaker 1: let's do this. So the rest of that talk group,

1727
01:24:19,520 --> 01:24:22,479
Speaker 1: we talked about this coming in Evan, that there's seven

1728
01:24:22,560 --> 01:24:26,679
Speaker 1: tackles expected to go somewhere between like twenty and fifty

1729
01:24:27,520 --> 01:24:29,120
Speaker 1: six of them were going to be there. That number

1730
01:24:29,160 --> 01:24:32,200
Speaker 1: got cut to five. Fatanu from Washington ended up not going,

1731
01:24:32,560 --> 01:24:35,000
Speaker 1: So I f Wanga and Geiton were the two guys

1732
01:24:35,000 --> 01:24:39,439
Speaker 1: in that group. The other three Kingsley, Sue Mattilla again

1733
01:24:39,479 --> 01:24:43,440
Speaker 1: that's the one I'm still working on, Jordan Morgan from Arizona,

1734
01:24:43,800 --> 01:24:48,080
Speaker 1: and Patrick Paul from Houston. Those three guys, how have

1735
01:24:48,120 --> 01:24:50,840
Speaker 1: they stacked up compared to fu Wanghan Geiton.

1736
01:24:51,920 --> 01:24:54,839
Speaker 2: So I would say that Pulanga and Geiton have definitely

1737
01:24:54,840 --> 01:24:58,080
Speaker 2: been in their own tier. Yeah, But Patrick Paul is

1738
01:24:58,240 --> 01:25:00,639
Speaker 2: just a monster like that. He he is just an

1739
01:25:00,680 --> 01:25:03,720
Speaker 2: absolutely large human and I know he's been killing the

1740
01:25:03,760 --> 01:25:06,599
Speaker 2: athletic testing here, you know, all like the zebra stuff

1741
01:25:06,600 --> 01:25:10,520
Speaker 2: and things like that he's like six seven three thirty.

1742
01:25:10,680 --> 01:25:13,120
Speaker 2: I think he has thirty six in charms, which is

1743
01:25:13,160 --> 01:25:14,200
Speaker 2: just absolutely.

1744
01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:16,559
Speaker 1: Gonna have it right here, six seven three thirty three

1745
01:25:17,840 --> 01:25:21,519
Speaker 1: thirty six and two eh in arms, two eighths inch arms,

1746
01:25:21,800 --> 01:25:25,320
Speaker 1: eighty six and six eighth wingspan, nine and three eighths hands.

1747
01:25:25,880 --> 01:25:31,240
Speaker 2: So a thirty six and two as arm length is

1748
01:25:31,280 --> 01:25:35,200
Speaker 2: gonna put him well over the ninetieth percentile at the Yeah.

1749
01:25:35,000 --> 01:25:40,680
Speaker 1: He's nobody else. Sua Mattia is at thirty four and

1750
01:25:40,760 --> 01:25:45,960
Speaker 1: two eighths. Christian Jones, who's a big guy, is at

1751
01:25:45,960 --> 01:25:48,920
Speaker 1: thirty four and seven eighths, but he's also he's about

1752
01:25:48,920 --> 01:25:52,759
Speaker 1: the same height. Yeah, nobody else is really over thirty four.

1753
01:25:53,200 --> 01:25:56,040
Speaker 1: Ethan Driscoll's at thirty five, but he's six ' nine.

1754
01:25:57,240 --> 01:26:00,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that he's a big, big dude, and he

1755
01:26:00,439 --> 01:26:02,679
Speaker 2: can move and he can move people off the ball.

1756
01:26:03,080 --> 01:26:05,280
Speaker 2: I've been pretty impressed with him. He has caught a

1757
01:26:05,320 --> 01:26:07,439
Speaker 2: lot of guys and been bull rushed a little bit

1758
01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:10,280
Speaker 2: in pass protection. He plays a little bit tall, and

1759
01:26:10,560 --> 01:26:13,519
Speaker 2: you know, his flexibility and his lowers isn't great. That

1760
01:26:13,560 --> 01:26:15,519
Speaker 2: would be the one knock I would have on him.

1761
01:26:15,960 --> 01:26:18,960
Speaker 2: Sue Matia has been ex like, that's exactly what a

1762
01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:23,559
Speaker 2: Patriots right tackle looks like. Typically, wide body can't get

1763
01:26:23,600 --> 01:26:25,960
Speaker 2: through him get a move people in the run game,

1764
01:26:26,400 --> 01:26:28,960
Speaker 2: like if they're looking at it and saying, we just

1765
01:26:29,040 --> 01:26:31,240
Speaker 2: want somebody that we're gonna plug and play as a

1766
01:26:31,280 --> 01:26:34,759
Speaker 2: starter and not necessarily thinking about let's get the higher

1767
01:26:34,840 --> 01:26:38,200
Speaker 2: upside left tackle taking. I think Sue Matia coming in

1768
01:26:38,240 --> 01:26:41,200
Speaker 2: as the right tackle would would easily be able to

1769
01:26:41,200 --> 01:26:44,240
Speaker 2: hold down that position in their traditional schemes, like if

1770
01:26:44,280 --> 01:26:46,160
Speaker 2: they're going to be a downhill run team still and

1771
01:26:46,200 --> 01:26:49,320
Speaker 2: not going outside zone or anything like that. If it's

1772
01:26:49,320 --> 01:26:52,960
Speaker 2: like Kayley, then I think that Sue Matia I fits

1773
01:26:52,960 --> 01:26:55,720
Speaker 2: that bill perfectly for what they usually like on the

1774
01:26:55,800 --> 01:26:59,160
Speaker 2: right side. I've been impressed with the kid from Texas,

1775
01:26:59,439 --> 01:27:03,800
Speaker 2: Christian Joe Zones. He's a big tackle too, but he

1776
01:27:03,880 --> 01:27:07,200
Speaker 2: moves well. He's got great hand placement, really a good

1777
01:27:07,280 --> 01:27:12,479
Speaker 2: inside strike to leverage blocks and control engagements with his hands. Yeah,

1778
01:27:12,520 --> 01:27:14,679
Speaker 2: I think that he can play and uh and I'm

1779
01:27:14,680 --> 01:27:16,720
Speaker 2: intrigued by him too. I think, you know, I looked

1780
01:27:16,760 --> 01:27:18,920
Speaker 2: at the art consensus board that we used Alex and

1781
01:27:18,960 --> 01:27:22,120
Speaker 2: he was like an early Day three guy, like a

1782
01:27:22,160 --> 01:27:25,360
Speaker 2: fourth round projection. I think he might be playing himself

1783
01:27:25,400 --> 01:27:28,120
Speaker 2: into the into the third round conversation here this week.

1784
01:27:28,160 --> 01:27:30,880
Speaker 1: So think about Christian Jones. I've kind of called him

1785
01:27:30,920 --> 01:27:35,160
Speaker 1: like a Day three Trent Brown. A lot of penalties, yeah,

1786
01:27:35,240 --> 01:27:38,040
Speaker 1: a lot of penalties. And he's probably only he could

1787
01:27:38,040 --> 01:27:39,439
Speaker 1: see on the right side.

1788
01:27:40,320 --> 01:27:42,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, So he he likes to really grip guys like

1789
01:27:42,840 --> 01:27:46,240
Speaker 2: with his hands, and so if guys feel that, then

1790
01:27:46,280 --> 01:27:49,719
Speaker 2: they might try to like move like, you know, quickly,

1791
01:27:49,800 --> 01:27:51,960
Speaker 2: like to the left or right, and then it looks

1792
01:27:51,960 --> 01:27:54,960
Speaker 2: like holding. So I could see that. But he he's

1793
01:27:55,000 --> 01:27:57,400
Speaker 2: got really good inside hand placement. Like a lot of

1794
01:27:57,439 --> 01:27:59,160
Speaker 2: these guys and we'll talk about a few of them

1795
01:27:59,800 --> 01:28:03,280
Speaker 2: on on the con side or the downside. A lot

1796
01:28:03,320 --> 01:28:05,680
Speaker 2: of these guys, you can tell, just really struggle with

1797
01:28:05,720 --> 01:28:08,479
Speaker 2: their hand placement, and they got wide hands. They're like

1798
01:28:08,600 --> 01:28:11,680
Speaker 2: bear hugging people. They're touching them like this. And I

1799
01:28:11,840 --> 01:28:13,880
Speaker 2: the one thing I'll give Christian Jones is I think

1800
01:28:13,880 --> 01:28:17,360
Speaker 2: he's got a really good inward, like proper strike in

1801
01:28:17,400 --> 01:28:20,160
Speaker 2: between the shoulder blades that's done a good job of

1802
01:28:20,280 --> 01:28:22,240
Speaker 2: latching onto guys and controlling things.

1803
01:28:22,280 --> 01:28:24,640
Speaker 1: I've been impressed with his footwork. He's lost it a

1804
01:28:24,680 --> 01:28:27,519
Speaker 1: couple times, but I think upper body he's really good.

1805
01:28:27,560 --> 01:28:30,800
Speaker 1: When he struggled in college, it was lower body. It

1806
01:28:30,880 --> 01:28:33,559
Speaker 1: was his feet maybe getting narrow, or just him not

1807
01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:36,679
Speaker 1: getting into his set quickly enough and lowering his anchor

1808
01:28:36,760 --> 01:28:38,639
Speaker 1: quickly enough. I think he's done a really good job

1809
01:28:38,640 --> 01:28:41,640
Speaker 1: of that this week. So that's something where again you

1810
01:28:41,680 --> 01:28:43,439
Speaker 1: talk about he's moving up boards. By the way, I

1811
01:28:43,439 --> 01:28:46,559
Speaker 1: looked at up Patrick Paul has the wings span of

1812
01:28:46,560 --> 01:28:51,759
Speaker 1: somebody who is seven foot three. Yeah, and he's sing seven.

1813
01:28:51,960 --> 01:28:55,439
Speaker 2: So he's another one of those guys that if again

1814
01:28:55,960 --> 01:28:59,080
Speaker 2: Sam similar to Tyler Dighton. Yeah, if you feel really

1815
01:28:59,080 --> 01:29:01,840
Speaker 2: good about coaching, and you feel good about your line coach,

1816
01:29:01,880 --> 01:29:03,519
Speaker 2: and you think that you can just hand this guy

1817
01:29:03,600 --> 01:29:07,200
Speaker 2: off to you know, somebody, and you know Bill Callahan

1818
01:29:07,240 --> 01:29:09,719
Speaker 2: and Cleveland is just gonna turn this guy into a stud,

1819
01:29:10,320 --> 01:29:12,479
Speaker 2: then I would draft both those guys.

1820
01:29:12,479 --> 01:29:14,840
Speaker 1: Well, you put Patrick Paul on one side, Dawan Jones

1821
01:29:14,840 --> 01:29:17,559
Speaker 1: on the other. Cleveland, Yeah, I mean, look, good luck

1822
01:29:17,560 --> 01:29:19,760
Speaker 1: getting around the edge. A couple more depth guys I

1823
01:29:19,760 --> 01:29:21,960
Speaker 1: thought were good. Javon Foster for Missouri had a really

1824
01:29:22,040 --> 01:29:24,439
Speaker 1: nice day yesterday. Took a little bit of a step

1825
01:29:24,479 --> 01:29:26,400
Speaker 1: back today, but I thought he was good. And then

1826
01:29:26,479 --> 01:29:30,840
Speaker 1: Roger Rosengarten, who would still imprinted in my brain what

1827
01:29:31,479 --> 01:29:35,080
Speaker 1: him just getting beat like a Drummond National Championship. He's

1828
01:29:35,080 --> 01:29:37,680
Speaker 1: been good, and the interesting thing about him is he

1829
01:29:37,800 --> 01:29:40,519
Speaker 1: was a right tackle at Washington, but he was a

1830
01:29:40,600 --> 01:29:44,639
Speaker 1: right tackle for a lefty quarterback, so he has that

1831
01:29:44,680 --> 01:29:47,800
Speaker 1: blindside experience and he's gone against a lot of great

1832
01:29:47,840 --> 01:29:50,640
Speaker 1: edge rushers. So those two guys stood out. And then

1833
01:29:50,640 --> 01:29:51,800
Speaker 1: the one guy. I don't know if you have any

1834
01:29:51,840 --> 01:29:53,439
Speaker 1: thoughts on them, but the one guy wanted to ask

1835
01:29:53,520 --> 01:29:55,960
Speaker 1: you about because they haven't shown him a ton on

1836
01:29:56,040 --> 01:29:59,960
Speaker 1: TV for whatever reason. Ethan Driscoll from Marshall. I'll be honest,

1837
01:30:00,080 --> 01:30:02,200
Speaker 1: he wasn't totally on my radar coming into this. And

1838
01:30:02,240 --> 01:30:05,000
Speaker 1: then I heard them say, you know, you see guys

1839
01:30:05,040 --> 01:30:07,800
Speaker 1: measure in in college at six ' nine and then

1840
01:30:07,840 --> 01:30:09,839
Speaker 1: they get to this event and they do the official

1841
01:30:09,880 --> 01:30:13,040
Speaker 1: way and they're like six seven and whatever, uh six

1842
01:30:13,160 --> 01:30:16,880
Speaker 1: eight three twelve thirty six inch arms Ethan Driscoll. I

1843
01:30:17,320 --> 01:30:19,040
Speaker 1: don't know how's he looked. Again. I haven't gotten to

1844
01:30:19,080 --> 01:30:20,720
Speaker 1: see much of him, but you know, six ' eight

1845
01:30:20,840 --> 01:30:22,800
Speaker 1: is who's the guy last year from Baylor at the

1846
01:30:22,800 --> 01:30:24,840
Speaker 1: Shrine Bowl that we saw, and he was just so

1847
01:30:25,000 --> 01:30:28,920
Speaker 1: much bigger than everybody else under Galvin. Yeah, and I

1848
01:30:28,920 --> 01:30:30,559
Speaker 1: think he ended up like sticking around the league, at

1849
01:30:30,600 --> 01:30:32,920
Speaker 1: least as a rookie. He's just so much bigger than

1850
01:30:32,920 --> 01:30:35,559
Speaker 1: everybody else. You can't help but see him.

1851
01:30:35,960 --> 01:30:38,679
Speaker 2: That's a good comp I would say. For what I've

1852
01:30:38,680 --> 01:30:39,160
Speaker 2: seen him.

1853
01:30:39,080 --> 01:30:42,040
Speaker 1: Drisk Gallon's on the lines, he stuck around, So.

1854
01:30:42,680 --> 01:30:45,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I worry about those guys almost being too tall

1855
01:30:46,120 --> 01:30:49,360
Speaker 2: because of the leverage battle and the pad level and

1856
01:30:49,400 --> 01:30:52,480
Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff. I remember talking to Sebastian

1857
01:30:52,520 --> 01:30:56,000
Speaker 2: Volmer and I he said that Nate's older is a

1858
01:30:56,000 --> 01:30:59,640
Speaker 2: great player, but Nates older was almost too tall for

1859
01:30:59,680 --> 01:31:02,960
Speaker 2: his own good, where he just had so much height

1860
01:31:03,400 --> 01:31:06,920
Speaker 2: that he just was never the lower guy in any engagement.

1861
01:31:06,960 --> 01:31:09,160
Speaker 2: And I feel like that was what I've seen a

1862
01:31:09,200 --> 01:31:12,240
Speaker 2: little bit from Driscoll is just a struggle of you know,

1863
01:31:12,360 --> 01:31:15,400
Speaker 2: leverage and guys getting underneath him. But he's a big

1864
01:31:15,439 --> 01:31:18,360
Speaker 2: guy and he moves pretty well on run blocks from

1865
01:31:18,400 --> 01:31:21,240
Speaker 2: what I've seen too. So someone that I have definitely

1866
01:31:21,400 --> 01:31:24,680
Speaker 2: jotted down to look at a little bit closer. Not

1867
01:31:25,920 --> 01:31:28,960
Speaker 2: a top one hundred player by any means, but somebody

1868
01:31:28,960 --> 01:31:31,400
Speaker 2: that might be available later on in the draft.

1869
01:31:31,439 --> 01:31:33,880
Speaker 1: All right, so we talked about that talk group. It

1870
01:31:33,920 --> 01:31:36,639
Speaker 1: feels like most of them have delivered. I know you're

1871
01:31:36,640 --> 01:31:38,680
Speaker 1: not high on Jordan Morgan. I think he struggled. He

1872
01:31:38,760 --> 01:31:40,880
Speaker 1: might be a guard in where you're at with we'll

1873
01:31:40,880 --> 01:31:42,240
Speaker 1: call him Kingsley from BYU.

1874
01:31:43,880 --> 01:31:47,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I would say Jordan Morgan. The couple of

1875
01:31:47,680 --> 01:31:50,000
Speaker 2: things that I have seen from him on the positive

1876
01:31:50,080 --> 01:31:53,640
Speaker 2: side have been like his ability to kick out in

1877
01:31:53,680 --> 01:31:56,600
Speaker 2: the run game or work up in time up to

1878
01:31:56,680 --> 01:31:59,519
Speaker 2: the second level in the run game, which typically when

1879
01:31:59,560 --> 01:32:02,599
Speaker 2: you see that those two things, you think that's more

1880
01:32:02,640 --> 01:32:06,519
Speaker 2: translatable to inside play, like yeah, guard right, you know

1881
01:32:06,560 --> 01:32:09,879
Speaker 2: you're a better run blocker. You're good in confined areas,

1882
01:32:10,000 --> 01:32:12,519
Speaker 2: you're good in the phone booth, like play a guard

1883
01:32:12,760 --> 01:32:15,240
Speaker 2: when he gets out in space. I was mentioning hand

1884
01:32:15,240 --> 01:32:17,519
Speaker 2: placement things like that. The one thing that you see

1885
01:32:17,600 --> 01:32:19,760
Speaker 2: with his hands is he carries them wide and he

1886
01:32:19,840 --> 01:32:22,400
Speaker 2: carries them low, which is not what you want to do, right,

1887
01:32:22,439 --> 01:32:26,360
Speaker 2: You want your hands up. I remember talking to Adrian

1888
01:32:26,400 --> 01:32:29,559
Speaker 2: Clem last year and he said, your your chest is everything, right,

1889
01:32:29,600 --> 01:32:32,479
Speaker 2: Like if you give up your chest in past protection

1890
01:32:32,600 --> 01:32:34,960
Speaker 2: as a as alignment, you're you're going to have a

1891
01:32:35,000 --> 01:32:38,000
Speaker 2: long day. It's really difficult if you can't control your

1892
01:32:38,080 --> 01:32:39,960
Speaker 2: chest and keep your chest out your guys out of

1893
01:32:40,000 --> 01:32:42,439
Speaker 2: your your frame. And I look at a guy like

1894
01:32:42,560 --> 01:32:44,840
Speaker 2: Jordan Morgan and I think he's struggled with doing that

1895
01:32:45,040 --> 01:32:47,679
Speaker 2: a little bit in these practices. But he does run

1896
01:32:47,720 --> 01:32:50,040
Speaker 2: block really well. And he's also measured in with shorter

1897
01:32:50,200 --> 01:32:53,559
Speaker 2: arms and expected over under three or three inches. So

1898
01:32:53,600 --> 01:32:56,040
Speaker 2: maybe he's someone that ends up translating to guard, like

1899
01:32:56,040 --> 01:32:57,880
Speaker 2: if you put him at guard in like an outside

1900
01:32:57,960 --> 01:33:00,879
Speaker 2: zone scheme, I think he'd be really good there tackle.

1901
01:33:01,000 --> 01:33:02,520
Speaker 2: I'm not so sold.

1902
01:33:02,280 --> 01:33:05,439
Speaker 1: On any other thought. I think we talked about pretty

1903
01:33:05,520 --> 01:33:07,360
Speaker 1: much everybody. I know there are some guys that are

1904
01:33:07,400 --> 01:33:09,799
Speaker 1: like a late scratch from the roster, but I think.

1905
01:33:09,680 --> 01:33:13,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, we talked a little bit about Kingsleys right with

1906
01:33:13,560 --> 01:33:16,720
Speaker 2: talks to the BYU guy a little bit again. I yeah,

1907
01:33:16,760 --> 01:33:19,439
Speaker 2: I think that he's, you know, wide body, someone that

1908
01:33:19,439 --> 01:33:21,799
Speaker 2: would be really a fit for them at ride tackle

1909
01:33:21,840 --> 01:33:24,679
Speaker 2: if they want to stick with that typical Marcus Cannon,

1910
01:33:24,800 --> 01:33:27,960
Speaker 2: Mike on WNU. You know that type of body type.

1911
01:33:29,240 --> 01:33:31,439
Speaker 1: So let me ask you this. A lot of people

1912
01:33:31,439 --> 01:33:32,800
Speaker 1: and I know he got hurt today. I don't know

1913
01:33:32,800 --> 01:33:36,479
Speaker 1: if you've heard any update on this. Jackson Powers Johnson,

1914
01:33:36,680 --> 01:33:40,080
Speaker 1: center from Oregon looks. I mean, he's going to be

1915
01:33:40,080 --> 01:33:41,519
Speaker 1: a top ten center in the league for most of

1916
01:33:41,560 --> 01:33:44,040
Speaker 1: his career, if not top five. He's a hell of

1917
01:33:44,120 --> 01:33:46,960
Speaker 1: a player. Probably he should end up al a first

1918
01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:48,960
Speaker 1: round pick. He's projected a little lower right now. I

1919
01:33:49,000 --> 01:33:51,160
Speaker 1: think he's gonna come away from this week with some

1920
01:33:51,160 --> 01:33:53,160
Speaker 1: first round buzz and a lot of Some people have

1921
01:33:53,240 --> 01:33:56,240
Speaker 1: said as good as uh Fuanga's been, as good as

1922
01:33:56,240 --> 01:33:58,559
Speaker 1: Tyler Guiten's been, that, Jackson Powers Johnson has been the

1923
01:33:58,560 --> 01:34:02,360
Speaker 1: best lineman and mobile. So some people here say some

1924
01:34:02,400 --> 01:34:04,120
Speaker 1: people hear that and say, well, what if the Patriots

1925
01:34:04,160 --> 01:34:07,439
Speaker 1: drafted him and moved him to tackle. I wouldn't. I

1926
01:34:07,520 --> 01:34:09,000
Speaker 1: there's good tackles.

1927
01:34:08,600 --> 01:34:11,760
Speaker 2: In the draft. Does he have the trades to do that.

1928
01:34:11,920 --> 01:34:14,240
Speaker 1: No, he's under at the arm size. But I think

1929
01:34:14,240 --> 01:34:16,599
Speaker 1: some people just here for the people who maybe aren't

1930
01:34:16,600 --> 01:34:19,679
Speaker 1: as familiar with how this works, who just hear, oh, hey,

1931
01:34:19,880 --> 01:34:21,720
Speaker 1: you know this guy's really good, Let's draft him, kick

1932
01:34:21,760 --> 01:34:26,360
Speaker 1: him outside. Could he play guard? Yeah? Probably he'd be

1933
01:34:26,360 --> 01:34:28,559
Speaker 1: great on the Patriots. I think having a good center

1934
01:34:28,600 --> 01:34:30,240
Speaker 1: is valuable, but you're gonna need to use a first

1935
01:34:30,280 --> 01:34:32,360
Speaker 1: round pick to get him. They have a good center

1936
01:34:32,360 --> 01:34:35,120
Speaker 1: in David Andrews. They invested a decently high draftic in

1937
01:34:35,120 --> 01:34:39,240
Speaker 1: the center last year, and Jake Andrews tremendous player. And

1938
01:34:39,240 --> 01:34:41,679
Speaker 1: then I say this a lot, even if the players good,

1939
01:34:42,120 --> 01:34:43,800
Speaker 1: when you draft the player, there's gonna be a plan.

1940
01:34:44,240 --> 01:34:47,360
Speaker 1: How's he gonna contribute, Especially you're drafting guy that high.

1941
01:34:47,720 --> 01:34:49,439
Speaker 1: I don't know what the plan is on jack You're

1942
01:34:49,439 --> 01:34:52,200
Speaker 1: you're gonna sit him behind David Andrews where I guess

1943
01:34:52,240 --> 01:34:55,360
Speaker 1: if Andrews retires, you're gonna make that You're It's nothing

1944
01:34:55,400 --> 01:34:57,160
Speaker 1: against David Andrews, but I don't know that center can

1945
01:34:57,160 --> 01:34:59,640
Speaker 1: be their number one priority. I just don't see the

1946
01:34:59,680 --> 01:35:02,639
Speaker 1: path to Jackson powers Johnson and the Patriots happening.

1947
01:35:03,840 --> 01:35:07,200
Speaker 2: No, absolutely not. But he's been fantastic. He's been the

1948
01:35:07,240 --> 01:35:11,120
Speaker 2: best lineman by far. I would say down here, and

1949
01:35:11,479 --> 01:35:17,560
Speaker 2: he's just the how just kind of powerful and compact,

1950
01:35:17,680 --> 01:35:23,519
Speaker 2: and he was named unreal. Unreal just kind of like

1951
01:35:23,960 --> 01:35:28,599
Speaker 2: ability to redirect with power and the ability to mirror guys.

1952
01:35:28,600 --> 01:35:31,120
Speaker 2: When I say redirect, you know mirror pass rushers on

1953
01:35:31,160 --> 01:35:34,280
Speaker 2: the inside, but to do it with like powerful strides

1954
01:35:34,320 --> 01:35:36,760
Speaker 2: and like knock guys off off their rail and things

1955
01:35:36,800 --> 01:35:39,479
Speaker 2: like that. He had a one on one matchup with

1956
01:35:39,720 --> 01:35:42,000
Speaker 2: Michael Hall from Ohio State, who's probably one of the

1957
01:35:42,040 --> 01:35:45,200
Speaker 2: best interior rushers in the in the Senior Bowl this year,

1958
01:35:45,560 --> 01:35:48,720
Speaker 2: and just absolutely shut him down, not only shut down

1959
01:35:48,760 --> 01:35:51,080
Speaker 2: the initial move, but then shut down the counter and

1960
01:35:51,240 --> 01:35:54,240
Speaker 2: just watching the quick you know, ability to move side

1961
01:35:54,280 --> 01:35:56,720
Speaker 2: to side and things like that. It's impressive. He's going

1962
01:35:56,800 --> 01:35:59,080
Speaker 2: to be a really good player for a long time,

1963
01:35:59,200 --> 01:36:01,040
Speaker 2: just not not for the Patriots.

1964
01:36:01,320 --> 01:36:03,720
Speaker 1: All right. I think that pretty much covers offense. We

1965
01:36:03,960 --> 01:36:06,240
Speaker 1: didn't really talk about, I guess outside of Powers Johnson,

1966
01:36:06,240 --> 01:36:09,840
Speaker 1: any interior offensive lineman, nobody's really stood out to me

1967
01:36:09,920 --> 01:36:13,479
Speaker 1: as that. You know. I like the kid eq Wacoun

1968
01:36:13,560 --> 01:36:17,120
Speaker 1: from Florida just because he plays nasty, but yeah he does.

1969
01:36:17,360 --> 01:36:20,719
Speaker 1: He's grab him in the seventh round, grabbing his UDFA

1970
01:36:21,479 --> 01:36:25,759
Speaker 1: interior line depth. Great. Are you good on that that front?

1971
01:36:25,760 --> 01:36:27,599
Speaker 1: The offensive front? I do want to talk about defense

1972
01:36:27,600 --> 01:36:28,280
Speaker 1: a little bit here.

1973
01:36:29,280 --> 01:36:33,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, just quickly though. Ben Sinnett from Kansas City, Oh.

1974
01:36:33,280 --> 01:36:35,599
Speaker 1: That's right, we're gonna come back to tight ends. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1975
01:36:36,360 --> 01:36:39,200
Speaker 2: He's been pretty good. I've been intrigued by him. I

1976
01:36:39,240 --> 01:36:41,000
Speaker 2: think you can get open. I think he catches the

1977
01:36:41,000 --> 01:36:43,040
Speaker 2: ball well and then you can block a little bit,

1978
01:36:43,160 --> 01:36:47,559
Speaker 2: can play some fullback linemans. Yeah, I'm intrigued. I don't

1979
01:36:47,600 --> 01:36:49,200
Speaker 2: love this tight end class.

1980
01:36:49,640 --> 01:36:53,280
Speaker 1: Oh this is not good class. None of the not

1981
01:36:53,360 --> 01:36:54,519
Speaker 1: a lot of them are at the or do you

1982
01:36:54,560 --> 01:36:55,639
Speaker 1: just mean the Senior Bowl group?

1983
01:36:57,080 --> 01:37:01,640
Speaker 2: I just mean, like so yeah, Brockauer, right, obviously, but

1984
01:37:01,760 --> 01:37:05,320
Speaker 2: let's just you have Brack Bowers, and you have Jatavian Sanders,

1985
01:37:05,680 --> 01:37:08,880
Speaker 2: the kid from Texas at the Shrine Bowl, and then

1986
01:37:08,960 --> 01:37:11,720
Speaker 2: what like then everything else is probably you're talking about

1987
01:37:11,800 --> 01:37:13,439
Speaker 2: late day three. No, I don't know.

1988
01:37:13,439 --> 01:37:16,080
Speaker 1: I think Cade Stover could be a top one hundred pick.

1989
01:37:16,360 --> 01:37:19,080
Speaker 1: I think Dalen Hawker from Colorado State is a guy

1990
01:37:19,120 --> 01:37:21,360
Speaker 1: that could maybe play a little bit. He's gonna go

1991
01:37:21,400 --> 01:37:23,840
Speaker 1: middle of day three. I like Jared Wiley. I know

1992
01:37:23,880 --> 01:37:25,120
Speaker 1: he had a rough day to day. I thought he

1993
01:37:25,160 --> 01:37:26,960
Speaker 1: had a good day yesterday. But I think he's like

1994
01:37:27,040 --> 01:37:30,240
Speaker 1: a decent project tight end. I want to ask you

1995
01:37:30,280 --> 01:37:31,800
Speaker 1: about some of these guys because they're not showing him

1996
01:37:31,800 --> 01:37:33,960
Speaker 1: a ton on TV. So I guess, I.

1997
01:37:33,880 --> 01:37:36,320
Speaker 2: Guess maybe it's just compared to you know, you're coming

1998
01:37:36,360 --> 01:37:40,000
Speaker 2: off last year. It's just it's not quite class.

1999
01:37:40,520 --> 01:37:43,280
Speaker 1: No, But I wouldn't say it's that it's better than

2000
01:37:43,280 --> 01:37:45,360
Speaker 1: that twenty twenty class that was like cole Comet and

2001
01:37:45,400 --> 01:37:46,000
Speaker 1: then nobody.

2002
01:37:46,800 --> 01:37:50,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, especially when you have black Bowers in

2003
01:37:50,360 --> 01:37:52,120
Speaker 2: the class like obviously, but even't like, I.

2004
01:37:52,720 --> 01:37:54,840
Speaker 1: Think there's a couple of NFL starters here. Maybe not

2005
01:37:55,320 --> 01:37:57,719
Speaker 1: you know, pro bowlers, but I think there's a couple

2006
01:37:57,680 --> 01:38:00,240
Speaker 1: of NFL starters here. Uh So you mentioned Senate, who's

2007
01:38:00,280 --> 01:38:01,960
Speaker 1: kind of that you know, they're throwing Kyle used Check

2008
01:38:02,000 --> 01:38:04,000
Speaker 1: around left and right when they're talking about him, and

2009
01:38:04,280 --> 01:38:08,040
Speaker 1: oh really yeah, if that surprising, I see, I.

2010
01:38:07,960 --> 01:38:11,760
Speaker 2: See, uh yeah a little bit because I love use check.

2011
01:38:12,160 --> 01:38:14,519
Speaker 2: We all love the use check. But I think Senate's

2012
01:38:14,560 --> 01:38:16,960
Speaker 2: a little bit more of like a pure receiving tight

2013
01:38:17,080 --> 01:38:18,920
Speaker 2: end than the use check is. Like, I think he's

2014
01:38:18,920 --> 01:38:22,040
Speaker 2: got a little bit more uh new. I just kind

2015
01:38:22,040 --> 01:38:24,320
Speaker 2: of I don't look at you as used Check as

2016
01:38:24,320 --> 01:38:26,519
Speaker 2: the guy that really you're going to run like routes

2017
01:38:26,520 --> 01:38:29,040
Speaker 2: from a tight end alignment. And and but.

2018
01:38:29,320 --> 01:38:31,439
Speaker 1: I think, you know, Senate's a guy that can give

2019
01:38:31,479 --> 01:38:35,920
Speaker 1: you some of those full back h back type, which

2020
01:38:36,280 --> 01:38:37,840
Speaker 1: so here's what I'm saying. If the Patriots are going

2021
01:38:37,920 --> 01:38:41,479
Speaker 1: to go McVeigh and they need their Kyle used check

2022
01:38:42,320 --> 01:38:45,200
Speaker 1: Ben Sinnett. I think you could say could be the guy.

2023
01:38:45,800 --> 01:38:47,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, Am I wrong there?

2024
01:38:48,000 --> 01:38:48,080
Speaker 3: No?

2025
01:38:48,360 --> 01:38:52,559
Speaker 2: And he he had a run block today that had

2026
01:38:52,600 --> 01:38:56,360
Speaker 2: the whole UH team, you know, I was the whole

2027
01:38:56,360 --> 01:38:59,479
Speaker 2: American team just going crazy and dapping him up for

2028
01:38:59,640 --> 01:39:02,479
Speaker 2: it and like that. So he can definitely block. And

2029
01:39:02,479 --> 01:39:04,240
Speaker 2: I think he's caught the ball pretty well down here

2030
01:39:04,280 --> 01:39:04,599
Speaker 2: as well.

2031
01:39:04,680 --> 01:39:06,559
Speaker 1: So the other guy I like in that kind of role,

2032
01:39:06,920 --> 01:39:10,559
Speaker 1: and he's I try not to be a sizest in

2033
01:39:10,640 --> 01:39:12,519
Speaker 1: terms of players, Like if a player is good and

2034
01:39:12,560 --> 01:39:15,880
Speaker 1: he's big enough, the one position of the sizes is

2035
01:39:15,920 --> 01:39:17,559
Speaker 1: tight end, I play mad. And if I see a

2036
01:39:17,560 --> 01:39:19,160
Speaker 1: tight ends under six to five, I want nothing to

2037
01:39:19,200 --> 01:39:23,439
Speaker 1: do with him. But Jaheim bell As that kind of

2038
01:39:23,560 --> 01:39:27,000
Speaker 1: moved tight end. I just his athleticism and they have

2039
01:39:27,000 --> 01:39:28,439
Speaker 1: even shown him a ton on TV. So this is

2040
01:39:28,439 --> 01:39:32,000
Speaker 1: again right, need you at Florida State, his athleticism jumped

2041
01:39:32,000 --> 01:39:35,439
Speaker 1: off the charts. He can play true tight end. He

2042
01:39:35,520 --> 01:39:38,320
Speaker 1: played a little like slot receiver kind of role. We

2043
01:39:38,479 --> 01:39:41,439
Speaker 1: saw him at the I did see briefly today they

2044
01:39:41,439 --> 01:39:43,720
Speaker 1: were using him from a full back alignment. What have

2045
01:39:43,760 --> 01:39:45,320
Speaker 1: you thought of him as that kind of player?

2046
01:39:46,320 --> 01:39:49,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, he hasn't really done much that stood out. You know.

2047
01:39:49,640 --> 01:39:52,320
Speaker 2: It's really been a lot of Senate on the American team,

2048
01:39:52,360 --> 01:39:54,120
Speaker 2: and then the national team has been a lot of

2049
01:39:54,120 --> 01:39:56,720
Speaker 2: THEO Johnson from Penn State. Like those are the two

2050
01:39:56,760 --> 01:39:59,320
Speaker 2: guys that have really stood out in terms of catching

2051
01:39:59,360 --> 01:40:01,400
Speaker 2: the football. So I can't say I've seen a ton

2052
01:40:01,439 --> 01:40:03,400
Speaker 2: of bell, you know. THEO john I think is a

2053
01:40:03,400 --> 01:40:05,479
Speaker 2: guy though, that can run. You know, he's they keep

2054
01:40:05,520 --> 01:40:07,720
Speaker 2: on putting up his like zebra numbers and stuff on

2055
01:40:07,760 --> 01:40:10,200
Speaker 2: the scoreboard. He's a fast guy to n killed time

2056
01:40:10,200 --> 01:40:12,519
Speaker 2: well in the forty for a tight end, and he

2057
01:40:12,560 --> 01:40:17,920
Speaker 2: can move a little bit. I think, guy, Yeah, and

2058
01:40:17,960 --> 01:40:20,400
Speaker 2: I do. I agree with you on Wiley. By the way,

2059
01:40:20,560 --> 01:40:23,920
Speaker 2: I actually very rare for me. I actually saw Wiley

2060
01:40:24,080 --> 01:40:26,760
Speaker 2: live right because I went to that TCU game when

2061
01:40:26,760 --> 01:40:29,519
Speaker 2: we were down there in Dallas and I was like, oh,

2062
01:40:29,640 --> 01:40:32,479
Speaker 2: you know, I said to our good friend Bradley Amos.

2063
01:40:32,520 --> 01:40:34,640
Speaker 2: I was like, Hey, who is this this tight end

2064
01:40:34,640 --> 01:40:35,559
Speaker 2: that you you forget?

2065
01:40:35,640 --> 01:40:38,120
Speaker 1: Actually when you were watching Colorado when you were locked

2066
01:40:38,160 --> 01:40:40,519
Speaker 1: in the early days of Colorado and they played TCU.

2067
01:40:40,600 --> 01:40:42,759
Speaker 1: I remember you text me, who's this tight end for TCU?

2068
01:40:42,880 --> 01:40:45,760
Speaker 2: So maybe that was before we went to the game.

2069
01:40:45,880 --> 01:40:47,120
Speaker 1: It was Yeah, it was like the first week of

2070
01:40:47,120 --> 01:40:48,679
Speaker 1: the year. But a couple of times you've kind.

2071
01:40:48,479 --> 01:40:51,680
Speaker 2: Of yeah, yeah, he can play a little bit. I'm mean,

2072
01:40:51,800 --> 01:40:52,760
Speaker 2: I'm intrigued by him.

2073
01:40:52,880 --> 01:40:55,360
Speaker 1: The one other guy I'll ask you about. And I

2074
01:40:55,360 --> 01:41:00,280
Speaker 1: don't know that this guy has like tight end one offside,

2075
01:41:00,479 --> 01:41:05,599
Speaker 1: but as a really good red zone run game, specially

2076
01:41:05,600 --> 01:41:07,400
Speaker 1: Pharaoh Brown, I think would be a good comp for

2077
01:41:07,439 --> 01:41:09,920
Speaker 1: me for this guy. And like I said, sizes to

2078
01:41:10,000 --> 01:41:14,160
Speaker 1: tight end. Six foot seven, two hundred sixty seven pound

2079
01:41:14,280 --> 01:41:18,560
Speaker 1: Brevin span Ford for Minnesota. You really haven't shown a

2080
01:41:18,560 --> 01:41:20,240
Speaker 1: lot of him. I know he had one nice catch today.

2081
01:41:20,280 --> 01:41:25,200
Speaker 1: But if the Patriots don't re sign Pharaoh Brown, can

2082
01:41:25,240 --> 01:41:28,280
Speaker 1: you go and get Brevin's span Ford late on day

2083
01:41:28,320 --> 01:41:31,000
Speaker 1: three to be just that kind of maller tight end.

2084
01:41:31,400 --> 01:41:32,439
Speaker 1: You'll catch a pass or two.

2085
01:41:32,640 --> 01:41:37,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. I definitely can see that. And you

2086
01:41:37,120 --> 01:41:38,960
Speaker 2: watch him and line up at the end of the

2087
01:41:38,960 --> 01:41:41,080
Speaker 2: line and it looks like he's another tackle, Like he's

2088
01:41:41,160 --> 01:41:43,559
Speaker 2: like that that type of size, and sometimes you have

2089
01:41:43,640 --> 01:41:45,519
Speaker 2: to do a double take and be like, oh wait,

2090
01:41:45,520 --> 01:41:48,720
Speaker 2: there's there's six guys lined up, not just five. So

2091
01:41:48,760 --> 01:41:51,000
Speaker 2: he's a big dude and he can definitely block, and

2092
01:41:51,760 --> 01:41:54,639
Speaker 2: that's something you know. Look, and the tight ends in need.

2093
01:41:55,040 --> 01:41:57,880
Speaker 2: It's in need on the board for the Patriots, they

2094
01:41:57,880 --> 01:42:00,519
Speaker 2: have nobody signed. I think they'll probably bring back Hunter

2095
01:42:00,600 --> 01:42:03,200
Speaker 2: Henry in some way, shape or form, but in general,

2096
01:42:03,280 --> 01:42:05,599
Speaker 2: it's in need. And I also just look at their

2097
01:42:05,680 --> 01:42:08,360
Speaker 2: run game last year in particular, but even a little

2098
01:42:08,400 --> 01:42:11,720
Speaker 2: bit in twenty two. They struggled, I think at the

2099
01:42:11,760 --> 01:42:14,160
Speaker 2: tight end position with blocking at the point of attack,

2100
01:42:14,200 --> 01:42:16,439
Speaker 2: and I think it really hurt what they were able

2101
01:42:16,439 --> 01:42:19,400
Speaker 2: to do from a run game perspective. So I'm all

2102
01:42:19,479 --> 01:42:23,080
Speaker 2: for trying to upgrade not just the pass catching ability

2103
01:42:23,640 --> 01:42:25,360
Speaker 2: because I think they did get a little bit out

2104
01:42:25,360 --> 01:42:27,960
Speaker 2: of those guys as pass catchers. It's more about the

2105
01:42:28,120 --> 01:42:29,879
Speaker 2: run blocking for me at that position.

2106
01:42:30,160 --> 01:42:31,280
Speaker 1: All right, I am going to make you talk a

2107
01:42:31,280 --> 01:42:34,960
Speaker 1: little defense. You ready, Yeah, Yeah, let's start with the

2108
01:42:35,200 --> 01:42:37,400
Speaker 1: one position that I think we both agree if there

2109
01:42:37,479 --> 01:42:40,960
Speaker 1: is a need, not first round, not even top fifty,

2110
01:42:41,280 --> 01:42:44,000
Speaker 1: but if you're gonna flirt with defense in the top

2111
01:42:44,000 --> 01:42:45,920
Speaker 1: one hundred. Maybe you make the pick at sixty eight

2112
01:42:45,920 --> 01:42:48,000
Speaker 1: and then trade back in the third round. Something like that,

2113
01:42:48,800 --> 01:42:53,280
Speaker 1: A real free safety like actually going out and getting

2114
01:42:53,280 --> 01:42:56,439
Speaker 1: a potential Devin mccordy replacement. You know how much I

2115
01:42:56,479 --> 01:42:59,000
Speaker 1: love Cameron Kitchens, and I know he's there. I think

2116
01:42:59,040 --> 01:43:01,720
Speaker 1: that I'm playing some linebacker today too, which which is

2117
01:43:01,880 --> 01:43:05,120
Speaker 1: fascinating to me. But the guy I have circled is

2118
01:43:05,120 --> 01:43:08,479
Speaker 1: is George's Javon Bullard? And what if you thought of him?

2119
01:43:08,560 --> 01:43:10,519
Speaker 1: And is there anybody else who stood out? There's been

2120
01:43:10,560 --> 01:43:13,599
Speaker 1: some there's some interesting box safeties there, ol Adopo from

2121
01:43:13,600 --> 01:43:17,360
Speaker 1: Oregon State, Josh Proctor from Ohio State. But I've really

2122
01:43:17,400 --> 01:43:21,160
Speaker 1: liked Bullard. One other sleeper free safety, Evan Williams from Oregon,

2123
01:43:21,240 --> 01:43:23,200
Speaker 1: has popped a little bit for me. But what have

2124
01:43:23,240 --> 01:43:25,800
Speaker 1: you thought of those guys or any other potential Devin

2125
01:43:25,880 --> 01:43:26,960
Speaker 1: mccordy like safeties.

2126
01:43:28,120 --> 01:43:30,800
Speaker 2: Well, it kind of stinks because these quarterbacks, and I

2127
01:43:31,160 --> 01:43:33,360
Speaker 2: think we talked about at the time, just off the

2128
01:43:33,439 --> 01:43:37,320
Speaker 2: context for so different. There hasn't been a whole lot

2129
01:43:36,640 --> 01:43:40,439
Speaker 2: of of deep balls thrown in these two practices. There

2130
01:43:40,520 --> 01:43:42,320
Speaker 2: just hasn't been a ton of testing the ball down

2131
01:43:42,400 --> 01:43:45,880
Speaker 2: the field. So I haven't necessarily noticed their ball skills

2132
01:43:46,200 --> 01:43:49,080
Speaker 2: all that much, but just listening to some people around

2133
01:43:49,120 --> 01:43:51,479
Speaker 2: me and some of the scouts that are here, there

2134
01:43:51,760 --> 01:43:53,800
Speaker 2: is a lot of talk about how some of these

2135
01:43:53,840 --> 01:43:56,080
Speaker 2: guys do maybe favor a little bit more of the

2136
01:43:56,120 --> 01:43:59,240
Speaker 2: box safety types. It just seems like that's becoming so

2137
01:43:59,360 --> 01:44:02,400
Speaker 2: much more regular in the college game. They play so

2138
01:44:02,439 --> 01:44:05,599
Speaker 2: much split safety, so it's more like left and right

2139
01:44:05,640 --> 01:44:08,320
Speaker 2: than it is like true free and strong safety nowadays,

2140
01:44:08,760 --> 01:44:10,200
Speaker 2: So you have to be able to do a little

2141
01:44:10,240 --> 01:44:12,519
Speaker 2: bit of everything, you know, like a Kyle Duggart type

2142
01:44:12,600 --> 01:44:15,040
Speaker 2: or things like that. But I would say the best

2143
01:44:15,040 --> 01:44:18,200
Speaker 2: center fielder is probably your guy Bullard right now that

2144
01:44:18,320 --> 01:44:22,360
Speaker 2: I have seen. But I know it's not a major

2145
01:44:22,880 --> 01:44:27,799
Speaker 2: need for the Patriots necessarily, but there are those two corners,

2146
01:44:28,080 --> 01:44:31,000
Speaker 2: you know, Mitchell and cam Hart can really really play.

2147
01:44:31,120 --> 01:44:34,920
Speaker 1: Cam harten ma very good. I mean, Mitchell's been good,

2148
01:44:34,920 --> 01:44:37,040
Speaker 1: but he's first round pick, you know, he's good. Although

2149
01:44:37,040 --> 01:44:39,080
Speaker 1: I will say this, so I wanted to talk about

2150
01:44:39,080 --> 01:44:41,640
Speaker 1: Mitchell and I had this kind of little intro. The

2151
01:44:41,680 --> 01:44:44,400
Speaker 1: biggest development for the Patriots that has nothing to do

2152
01:44:44,439 --> 01:44:47,400
Speaker 1: with the Patriots this week has been the play of

2153
01:44:47,479 --> 01:44:49,920
Speaker 1: queny and Mitchell because the Patriots are not gonna take

2154
01:44:50,000 --> 01:44:51,760
Speaker 1: Quinny and Mitchell in the first round. I don't think

2155
01:44:51,760 --> 01:44:53,479
Speaker 1: they're gonna take Quinia Mitchell in the first round. Wouldn't

2156
01:44:53,479 --> 01:44:55,679
Speaker 1: make a lot of sense. But yeah, you know, coming

2157
01:44:55,720 --> 01:44:57,840
Speaker 1: from Toledo, coming from the mac, how does he match

2158
01:44:57,920 --> 01:44:59,960
Speaker 1: up against some of the you know, power five receiver

2159
01:45:00,200 --> 01:45:02,280
Speaker 1: And that was a question is he really a first

2160
01:45:02,360 --> 01:45:04,000
Speaker 1: round pick or is he gonna need some time to

2161
01:45:04,040 --> 01:45:05,960
Speaker 1: adjust and is he is he a second round pick?

2162
01:45:06,439 --> 01:45:09,360
Speaker 1: Quinnyan Mitchell moving up draft boards is good news for

2163
01:45:09,400 --> 01:45:14,120
Speaker 1: the Patriots because if he's going twenty twenty one, twenty two, like,

2164
01:45:14,360 --> 01:45:17,800
Speaker 1: that's the prime range for tackles. So it's pushing it

2165
01:45:18,000 --> 01:45:21,720
Speaker 1: some tackle because a guy like Quinyan Mitchell is showing out,

2166
01:45:21,880 --> 01:45:23,559
Speaker 1: is gonna fall down the board a little bit. So

2167
01:45:24,320 --> 01:45:26,599
Speaker 1: I've been watching Quinyan Mitchell through that lens, but he's

2168
01:45:26,600 --> 01:45:29,840
Speaker 1: been that dude can play. He's like six ' three right,

2169
01:45:30,160 --> 01:45:35,400
Speaker 1: and he's got speed and just really good understanding of

2170
01:45:35,400 --> 01:45:37,519
Speaker 1: what wide receivers are trying to do to him. I

2171
01:45:37,520 --> 01:45:41,720
Speaker 1: think he truly understands the approach to route running and

2172
01:45:41,800 --> 01:45:43,519
Speaker 1: he's been he's been a ton of fun to watch.

2173
01:45:44,479 --> 01:45:46,840
Speaker 2: I think he's been you can make the case. I mean,

2174
01:45:46,880 --> 01:45:49,920
Speaker 2: he's definitely on the in the he definitely is podiuming

2175
01:45:49,960 --> 01:45:52,559
Speaker 2: in this category. He's top three for sure. I think

2176
01:45:52,640 --> 01:45:54,240
Speaker 2: you can make the case that he's been the best

2177
01:45:54,240 --> 01:45:58,240
Speaker 2: player on the field so far this week. He's been phenomenal.

2178
01:45:58,280 --> 01:46:03,560
Speaker 2: I mean, his coverage ability is off the charts, sticky, competitive, physical,

2179
01:46:03,800 --> 01:46:07,839
Speaker 2: great ball skills, great route anticipation like this the whole gamut.

2180
01:46:08,040 --> 01:46:10,120
Speaker 2: And Cam Hart from Notre Dame has been pretty good

2181
01:46:10,120 --> 01:46:12,400
Speaker 2: as well. And I think that cam Hart is somebody

2182
01:46:12,439 --> 01:46:15,040
Speaker 2: that they could maybe get on Day two of the draft.

2183
01:46:15,080 --> 01:46:17,519
Speaker 2: I don't think he's the first round guy, so maybe

2184
01:46:17,560 --> 01:46:19,680
Speaker 2: you get him a little bit later. We've talked so

2185
01:46:19,760 --> 01:46:24,280
Speaker 2: much about the Jason mccordy, you know, third corner. You know,

2186
01:46:24,320 --> 01:46:25,920
Speaker 2: you probably are going to go into next year with

2187
01:46:26,000 --> 01:46:29,559
Speaker 2: Christian Zales and Jonathan Jones pretty locked into top two

2188
01:46:29,600 --> 01:46:32,760
Speaker 2: corner spots. But Jonathan Jones ideally is you know that

2189
01:46:32,880 --> 01:46:36,440
Speaker 2: move slot corner, you know, shadowing z's and slot receivers

2190
01:46:36,479 --> 01:46:38,400
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. So who's going to be the

2191
01:46:38,439 --> 01:46:40,840
Speaker 2: other guy on the perimeter. Is it Alex Austin, is

2192
01:46:40,880 --> 01:46:44,519
Speaker 2: it Sean Wade like that's that's a low key need.

2193
01:46:44,560 --> 01:46:46,639
Speaker 2: It's not a big one, but it's a low key need.

2194
01:46:47,120 --> 01:46:49,680
Speaker 2: And I would say that cam Hart maybe is one

2195
01:46:49,680 --> 01:46:51,720
Speaker 2: of those guys that you could get, yeah, you know,

2196
01:46:52,000 --> 01:46:55,360
Speaker 2: in a more reasonable category, reasonable spot. I also think

2197
01:46:55,400 --> 01:47:02,240
Speaker 2: that Show Smith Wade from Washington State even an unreal Yeah.

2198
01:47:02,360 --> 01:47:03,599
Speaker 2: So he's another guy.

2199
01:47:03,520 --> 01:47:04,880
Speaker 1: Well more corner. I want to ask you about. This

2200
01:47:04,880 --> 01:47:06,120
Speaker 1: is another guy where you got to help ou because

2201
01:47:06,120 --> 01:47:08,200
Speaker 1: they haven't shown him a ton is Chris abrams Strain

2202
01:47:08,280 --> 01:47:11,280
Speaker 1: for Missouri. I wanted him last year. He was supposed

2203
01:47:11,280 --> 01:47:12,759
Speaker 1: to come out last year and he went back to school.

2204
01:47:13,040 --> 01:47:15,280
Speaker 1: You know how I love the converted receivers at corner.

2205
01:47:15,680 --> 01:47:17,719
Speaker 1: You know how, give me the guy that has spent

2206
01:47:17,760 --> 01:47:19,640
Speaker 1: his whole life tracking the football and put him on

2207
01:47:19,680 --> 01:47:22,759
Speaker 1: the other side. Abrams Strain went to Missouri's wide receiver,

2208
01:47:22,800 --> 01:47:24,639
Speaker 1: played it for a year and then moved over kind

2209
01:47:24,680 --> 01:47:26,800
Speaker 1: of a tweener. He's five to eleven, so he can

2210
01:47:26,840 --> 01:47:29,360
Speaker 1: play on the boundary, he can play on the inside.

2211
01:47:29,479 --> 01:47:31,240
Speaker 1: We don't know how their draft tendencies are going to

2212
01:47:31,280 --> 01:47:35,040
Speaker 1: carry over, but the Bill Belichick kind of thing where

2213
01:47:35,160 --> 01:47:36,439
Speaker 1: this is the guy you put him in the Miles

2214
01:47:36,479 --> 01:47:38,639
Speaker 1: Bryant role. I think he'd be excellent, and he'd give

2215
01:47:38,640 --> 01:47:40,320
Speaker 1: you a little more on the boundary as well, because

2216
01:47:40,360 --> 01:47:43,680
Speaker 1: he's bigger. That's based on his tape this year. I

2217
01:47:43,680 --> 01:47:45,519
Speaker 1: don't know if he stood out good or bad for

2218
01:47:45,560 --> 01:47:47,360
Speaker 1: you this week, but I'm a fan.

2219
01:47:47,560 --> 01:47:50,240
Speaker 2: Yet, not like strong in one way or the other,

2220
01:47:50,280 --> 01:47:52,240
Speaker 2: but I would agree with you just looking at him

2221
01:47:52,240 --> 01:47:54,280
Speaker 2: in terms of his size and things like that. He's

2222
01:47:54,360 --> 01:47:57,519
Speaker 2: matched up a couple of times with Lad McConkie. He

2223
01:47:57,600 --> 01:48:00,759
Speaker 2: definitely is someone that I could see being a pretty

2224
01:48:00,800 --> 01:48:05,400
Speaker 2: good nickel in the league, and that's been coming. It's

2225
01:48:05,439 --> 01:48:08,360
Speaker 2: such an important spot in your defense because of how

2226
01:48:08,439 --> 01:48:11,679
Speaker 2: much teams play out of eleven personnel with three receivers

2227
01:48:11,680 --> 01:48:14,280
Speaker 2: on the field, how important the slot is in the

2228
01:48:14,280 --> 01:48:15,960
Speaker 2: middle of the field and being able to fit the

2229
01:48:16,040 --> 01:48:19,479
Speaker 2: run from that spot. The nickels spot is really becoming

2230
01:48:19,520 --> 01:48:22,040
Speaker 2: one of the more important places to play in your defense.

2231
01:48:22,080 --> 01:48:23,839
Speaker 2: So I think those guys are valuable.

2232
01:48:24,040 --> 01:48:26,720
Speaker 1: All Right, we got like five minutes here to really

2233
01:48:26,800 --> 01:48:29,320
Speaker 1: quick talk about the guys up front, and I gotta

2234
01:48:29,360 --> 01:48:33,000
Speaker 1: start you, said Quinnan Mitchell's in the conversation for the

2235
01:48:33,000 --> 01:48:35,800
Speaker 1: best player there this week. I gotta give you. I

2236
01:48:35,800 --> 01:48:38,479
Speaker 1: gotta give you my and fair you said podium, I'll

2237
01:48:38,479 --> 01:48:40,640
Speaker 1: put another guy up at the podium and hopefully it

2238
01:48:40,640 --> 01:48:43,559
Speaker 1: doesn't break under him. And that's Devandre Sweat, the defensive

2239
01:48:43,600 --> 01:48:48,200
Speaker 1: tackle from Texas. Didn't weigh in love that move. He's

2240
01:48:48,240 --> 01:48:51,599
Speaker 1: big enough. I can tell probably three seventy don't care.

2241
01:48:51,680 --> 01:48:56,800
Speaker 1: I'm good. He doesn't like he's always dominant. Sometimes he's

2242
01:48:56,880 --> 01:49:01,400
Speaker 1: hilariously dominant. Like he took a center from Houston today

2243
01:49:01,400 --> 01:49:03,439
Speaker 1: whose name on a scale is escaping me. And I

2244
01:49:03,479 --> 01:49:06,080
Speaker 1: don't think this guy's gonna mind not being named. He

2245
01:49:06,120 --> 01:49:09,320
Speaker 1: didn't drive him into the backfield. He picked him up

2246
01:49:09,479 --> 01:49:13,800
Speaker 1: off his feet and just walked him back. This is

2247
01:49:13,840 --> 01:49:16,240
Speaker 1: a guy that Texas had running routes. Is a tight

2248
01:49:16,320 --> 01:49:19,000
Speaker 1: end in their goal line package, not complicated routes, but

2249
01:49:19,000 --> 01:49:21,920
Speaker 1: they throw him the ball in the Big twelve Championship game.

2250
01:49:22,600 --> 01:49:24,240
Speaker 1: I don't see how he ends up as a Patriot.

2251
01:49:24,240 --> 01:49:26,880
Speaker 1: He's gonna be a top fifty pick. Uh, definitely some

2252
01:49:26,960 --> 01:49:29,719
Speaker 1: Vince will Fork shades. But like four or five years

2253
01:49:29,720 --> 01:49:32,840
Speaker 1: from now, when he's a free agent, I want Devandre Sweat.

2254
01:49:33,320 --> 01:49:36,760
Speaker 1: He's so fun to watch. He's so fun to watch.

2255
01:49:36,800 --> 01:49:40,519
Speaker 1: He just he takes over and he did it at Texas,

2256
01:49:40,640 --> 01:49:42,720
Speaker 1: like he took over games at Texas, and he has

2257
01:49:42,720 --> 01:49:44,719
Speaker 1: taken over the Senior Bowl when they give him chances.

2258
01:49:46,000 --> 01:49:47,400
Speaker 2: We've seen quite it.

2259
01:49:47,479 --> 01:49:47,640
Speaker 1: You know.

2260
01:49:47,680 --> 01:49:49,519
Speaker 2: We were at the Shrine Bowl last year and we

2261
01:49:49,560 --> 01:49:51,600
Speaker 2: saw a bunch of Texas guys like that Texas de

2262
01:49:51,800 --> 01:49:52,920
Speaker 2: Hine just pumps.

2263
01:49:52,600 --> 01:49:57,080
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but sweats on another level, he's I mean,

2264
01:49:57,120 --> 01:49:59,439
Speaker 1: it's it looks when's the last time he saw a

2265
01:49:59,439 --> 01:50:01,559
Speaker 1: defensive tack look like that at that size.

2266
01:50:02,400 --> 01:50:04,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a big dude. I think Michael Hall I

2267
01:50:04,840 --> 01:50:07,240
Speaker 2: mentioned him a little bit earlier. He's been really good too.

2268
01:50:08,280 --> 01:50:11,000
Speaker 2: This is a perfect setup for him. You know, these

2269
01:50:11,040 --> 01:50:15,160
Speaker 2: twitched up inside rushers that just can win with really

2270
01:50:15,200 --> 01:50:18,800
Speaker 2: good you know, suddenness, explosiveness off the line, you want

2271
01:50:18,840 --> 01:50:21,479
Speaker 2: to I'm sure you know. This is not like he

2272
01:50:21,640 --> 01:50:23,679
Speaker 2: played at Florida State. I'm not saying he's a deep

2273
01:50:23,680 --> 01:50:27,719
Speaker 2: sleep or anything like that, but Brandon Fisky from Florida

2274
01:50:27,760 --> 01:50:30,439
Speaker 2: State is just I'll take that guy on my team

2275
01:50:30,439 --> 01:50:33,160
Speaker 2: any day. What a what a freaking motor on that guy?

2276
01:50:33,280 --> 01:50:36,759
Speaker 2: That guy just off the ball in an instant bowling

2277
01:50:36,840 --> 01:50:40,760
Speaker 2: a china shop, always wrecking plays. He's in the backfield

2278
01:50:40,760 --> 01:50:43,640
Speaker 2: a ton, and it's not as much as I We

2279
01:50:43,680 --> 01:50:46,160
Speaker 2: all love watching the one on ones and things like that,

2280
01:50:46,840 --> 01:50:48,839
Speaker 2: when you get at the team like that's real football,

2281
01:50:48,920 --> 01:50:51,720
Speaker 2: right eleven and eleven is is real football, and he's

2282
01:50:51,720 --> 01:50:54,360
Speaker 2: the type of guy that is wrecking things. The other

2283
01:50:54,400 --> 01:50:56,800
Speaker 2: guys are having the flashy pass rush moves and one

2284
01:50:56,840 --> 01:50:58,559
Speaker 2: on ones, and Fisky is the one that's in the

2285
01:50:58,560 --> 01:50:59,960
Speaker 2: backfield when it comes to team drill.

2286
01:51:00,439 --> 01:51:03,720
Speaker 1: How about so I talked before where Davon Gotcha is

2287
01:51:03,760 --> 01:51:05,320
Speaker 1: in a contract year and they can open up some

2288
01:51:05,360 --> 01:51:07,040
Speaker 1: money if they move on from him. Lawrence guy's in

2289
01:51:07,080 --> 01:51:10,040
Speaker 1: a contract here, So I'm looking at run stoppers. Fiskey's

2290
01:51:10,040 --> 01:51:11,960
Speaker 1: one of them. Another guy who I think has had

2291
01:51:11,960 --> 01:51:14,519
Speaker 1: a great week who kind of projects is he's gonna

2292
01:51:14,560 --> 01:51:17,320
Speaker 1: go later. You can probably get him onto a three.

2293
01:51:17,760 --> 01:51:20,200
Speaker 1: I don't know that he might be a pass rusher

2294
01:51:20,320 --> 01:51:22,639
Speaker 1: later in his career, but right now I think could

2295
01:51:22,680 --> 01:51:24,519
Speaker 1: come in on first and second downs and play the run.

2296
01:51:24,560 --> 01:51:27,160
Speaker 1: In the NFL is Dwayne Carter from Duke, and I

2297
01:51:27,560 --> 01:51:29,840
Speaker 1: think he's I liked him coming in and I think

2298
01:51:29,880 --> 01:51:33,720
Speaker 1: he's better yesterday and better yesterday than today. But I

2299
01:51:33,800 --> 01:51:36,640
Speaker 1: think he's had a pretty good week overall.

2300
01:51:36,880 --> 01:51:40,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a powerful guy like you definitely can can

2301
01:51:40,360 --> 01:51:41,439
Speaker 2: hold up at the point of a.

2302
01:51:41,800 --> 01:51:45,000
Speaker 1: Kind of the day three Tovandre sweat kind of thing.

2303
01:51:45,840 --> 01:51:48,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, definitely. And you know, if they're going to

2304
01:51:48,720 --> 01:51:51,439
Speaker 2: continue to play odd front like, they're gonna need some

2305
01:51:51,439 --> 01:51:54,479
Speaker 2: some pure nose tackles, some guys that can two gap

2306
01:51:54,479 --> 01:51:57,360
Speaker 2: and take on double teams and absorb contact. And I

2307
01:51:57,360 --> 01:52:00,160
Speaker 2: can definitely see him being able to do that. What

2308
01:52:00,439 --> 01:52:02,880
Speaker 2: do you think that you know, where do you eventually

2309
01:52:02,880 --> 01:52:05,679
Speaker 2: think that A Law Too from UCLA goes because he's

2310
01:52:05,680 --> 01:52:06,559
Speaker 2: going in the first round.

2311
01:52:06,640 --> 01:52:11,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's had an interesting week high. Yeah, it's

2312
01:52:11,600 --> 01:52:16,360
Speaker 1: tough because the edge class is so good, right, so

2313
01:52:16,840 --> 01:52:19,479
Speaker 1: because he's been really good, but there's still Dallas Turner,

2314
01:52:19,560 --> 01:52:23,880
Speaker 1: Jared Versus and Chop Robinson. So he could go in

2315
01:52:23,920 --> 01:52:27,519
Speaker 1: the top ten, he could go fifteenth, sixteenth. I think

2316
01:52:27,520 --> 01:52:29,800
Speaker 1: it's gonna be And we're not obviously doing edge this

2317
01:52:29,880 --> 01:52:32,840
Speaker 1: year from the Patriots. But that's another one of those things.

2318
01:52:32,880 --> 01:52:34,479
Speaker 1: You know how much I love talking about sorting out

2319
01:52:34,520 --> 01:52:36,679
Speaker 1: the teers, right, how do they sort out in that tier?

2320
01:52:37,040 --> 01:52:39,720
Speaker 1: Dallas Turner laid to Law too Jared Robinson might be

2321
01:52:39,720 --> 01:52:42,920
Speaker 1: a tier below, but Turner Law two verse all in

2322
01:52:42,920 --> 01:52:46,200
Speaker 1: that tier. They're all really good. They're all probably top

2323
01:52:46,240 --> 01:52:49,160
Speaker 1: ten picks. You have so much offensive talent, how much

2324
01:52:49,200 --> 01:52:50,840
Speaker 1: do they get pushed down the board? Does somebody move

2325
01:52:50,920 --> 01:52:52,800
Speaker 1: up from one of them? It's gonna be a flavor thing,

2326
01:52:52,800 --> 01:52:55,040
Speaker 1: all right, before we wrap it up, Evan, they have

2327
01:52:55,160 --> 01:52:58,920
Speaker 1: not shown us a single special team snap every time

2328
01:52:58,960 --> 01:53:01,599
Speaker 1: they go right to commercial. I need my Tory Taylor fix.

2329
01:53:01,600 --> 01:53:04,200
Speaker 1: I need my Tory Taylor fix. How does toy do?

2330
01:53:04,360 --> 01:53:06,880
Speaker 1: Please tell me you stop? Watched Tory Taylor.

2331
01:53:08,280 --> 01:53:15,880
Speaker 2: I did not stop. I'll tell you this, they haven't

2332
01:53:15,920 --> 01:53:19,439
Speaker 2: really done a whole lot of special teams. They really

2333
01:53:19,479 --> 01:53:21,960
Speaker 2: haven't kicked a ton on the TV.

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Speaker 1: That they're doing it too much, Oh.

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Speaker 2: I disagree. I have a lot of it's been off

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Speaker 2: the jugs, like they haven't done have not kicked done

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Speaker 2: a whole lot of kicking. I would think tomorrow they're

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Speaker 2: following a pretty similar script to what an NFL team

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Speaker 2: would follow, which is, you know, Wednesday, Thursday, big install days,

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Speaker 2: Fridays kind of the clean up day and everything like that.

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Speaker 1: So I think tomorrow on the broadcast tomorrow's the red zone.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I haven't been in the red zone at all,

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Speaker 2: so that makes sense.

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Speaker 1: I wanted a Tory Taylor update all right, Well I

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Speaker 1: might have to get that from you next week when

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Speaker 1: you get back here. Yeah, so that'll do it for us.

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Speaker 1: Thanks everybody for tuning in. We were kind of late,

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Speaker 1: a different time than usual, and then we relate the

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Speaker 1: traffic and practice wrapped up a little late as well,

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Speaker 1: so that put us both behind. But thanks so much

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