Speaker 1: Think sideways. I don't interesting, you've never known stories of
Speaker 1: things we simply don't know the answer to. Hey, everybody's
Speaker 1: thinking Sideways the podcast. I'm Devin, joined as always by
Speaker 1: and Steve, and we're going to do a group show
Speaker 1: again this week. We do these every once in a while,
Speaker 1: not not too frequently. We don't want to bore you
Speaker 1: with our format, but they bore them. We tend to
Speaker 1: do our group shows on a theme, and this week
Speaker 1: our theme is time travel. Don't worry, it won't be
Speaker 1: the only episode we ever do on time travel. Calm down,
Speaker 1: but we've been getting a lot of time travel requests
Speaker 1: and I can hear you hyperventilating. But we all have
Speaker 1: stories that we really liked that we thought maybe didn't
Speaker 1: make up an entire episode. So we're just gonna each
Speaker 1: talk about our stories. Are you guys ready to do this?
Speaker 1: Let's do it? Okay. Oh and before we get too
Speaker 1: far into this, we always like to say big shout
Speaker 1: out to this listener for suggesting this, but literally all
Speaker 1: of these have literally been suggested like five or six times,
Speaker 1: So if you suggested it, congratulations your a suggestor for
Speaker 1: the Team Sideways Time Travel group show. Special Travaganza. That's
Speaker 1: what we're calling this one, right, travel Travaganza. No, I know,
Speaker 1: it was a longer name than not to try and
Speaker 1: time travel, time travel paloza, time travel ploza. That's okay, alright,
Speaker 1: let's start the time travel plus. So I think Joe
Speaker 1: is going to start first. We're gonna just do chronological right, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: People have been popping into the twentieth century at various times,
Speaker 1: and so we'll start with the earliest one. This one
Speaker 1: starts in nineteen fifty one night in mid June, at
Speaker 1: about ten pm in New York City, witnesses, including a
Speaker 1: police officer, saw a man standing in the middle of
Speaker 1: a busy intersection near Times Square. Some accounts just put
Speaker 1: it right in Times Square, but anyway, somewhere close by there.
Speaker 1: He Nobody had noticed him walking out into the street,
Speaker 1: but they saw him standing there, and he was staring
Speaker 1: around him quote gawking at the signs as if he
Speaker 1: had never seen an electric sign before, unquote, as one
Speaker 1: witness put it, And they seemed to notice that he
Speaker 1: was surrounded by fast moving metal boxes and started to
Speaker 1: started to move towards the sidewalk, but unfortunately was run
Speaker 1: over by a cab and he died at the scene.
Speaker 1: This is why I don't like cabs. Yeah, so a
Speaker 1: short trip for this guy, this time traveler, a policeman.
Speaker 1: The policeman that was there noticed that the man was
Speaker 1: dressed oddly, and then he had some very unstylish mutton
Speaker 1: chopped sideburns, like we're popular like way back when. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's New York, so it's hard to tell when
Speaker 1: they're popular today. But he was wearing old style clothes.
Speaker 1: A suitcoat had a high cut us with lapels. He
Speaker 1: had black and white checked pants and high button shoes,
Speaker 1: and essentially he was wearing nineteenth century clothing in nineteen
Speaker 1: fifties New York. So that seemed a little odd. He
Speaker 1: was taken to the morgue. His body was taken to
Speaker 1: the morgan It was searched and some things were found
Speaker 1: in his pockets. Number one some business cards with the
Speaker 1: name Rudolph Fence was F E N t Z, So
Speaker 1: that is our time traveler, Rudolph Fence. The cards also
Speaker 1: had an address on Fifth Avenue. There was a letter
Speaker 1: to him sent to that Fifth Avenue address, dated June
Speaker 1: eighteen seventy six from Philadelphia, a copper token, and some
Speaker 1: and some accounts of this, I've seen it as a
Speaker 1: brass token, but as as it was a beer token,
Speaker 1: for it was a five five cent beer token from
Speaker 1: a saloon which was unknown, it didn't exist. He also
Speaker 1: had seventy dollars in old currency, old American currency, which
Speaker 1: is no longer in circulation. And he had a bill
Speaker 1: from a livery stable on Lexington Avenue in New York
Speaker 1: would was made out quote to the feeding and stable
Speaker 1: in one horse and the Washington one carriage, and the
Speaker 1: bill was for three dollars. That was a lot cheaper
Speaker 1: back then, way cheaper. And of course the Liberty Stable
Speaker 1: didn't exist either. Of course, that was interesting about the stuff.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like that the letter, for example, wasn't old
Speaker 1: and wasn't aged or anything like that, even though it
Speaker 1: was a seventy five year old letter. But that was
Speaker 1: the one thing I was going to say, is I
Speaker 1: know that that's what stood out in most of the
Speaker 1: accountings of this that I read, is the letter and
Speaker 1: the money. None of it seemed to be stuff that
Speaker 1: ted just stood the test of time. It wasn't all
Speaker 1: antiqued and stuff, and it were they able to actually
Speaker 1: date it to those times or was it just kind
Speaker 1: of like, oh, and has this date on it, so
Speaker 1: it must be from this time. You know, our currency
Speaker 1: does has been changed changed over the years. Sure, and
Speaker 1: most of it's taken out of circulation, So it would
Speaker 1: be fairly long con for somebody to have just had
Speaker 1: these laying around, right, Yeah, I can't see why. What
Speaker 1: what game you would be playing to have that on you? Well,
Speaker 1: you hit it under your shoe box, under your shoe box,
Speaker 1: in your yeah, exactly. No, it is actually um entirely
Speaker 1: possible that this guy, this guy actually got assembled this
Speaker 1: whole thing, very elaborate thing, and then deliberately committed suicide
Speaker 1: but plueing himself in front of a cat. Well, like
Speaker 1: we did talk about this in the Voytage manuscripts. Right,
Speaker 1: is that it's possible that somebody hoarded all of that paper, Right,
Speaker 1: we were having a hard time dating it. Blah blah
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. It's possible that somebody hoarded all that paper.
Speaker 1: It's possible that somebody hoarded old currency, for instance, thinking oh,
Speaker 1: it'll gain value some other time. I mean, that is
Speaker 1: a thing. But it seemed like the clothes seems wrong
Speaker 1: and I don't know. Sorry, I'll let you continue. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna let you finish. But okay, anyway, not back to
Speaker 1: our mystery, our mysterious time traveler. Here. Um, there's a
Speaker 1: captain Hubert rim I'm gonna call him Rim, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: sob the Missing Person's Department of the end yep D
Speaker 1: tried to identify Rudolph fence Um and tried to track
Speaker 1: him down and see where he came from. They looked
Speaker 1: on the phone book and he was not in the
Speaker 1: phone book. Weird. Yeah, we just pull out the old
Speaker 1: phone book here. See this is one of those times
Speaker 1: where Joe's phone book comes in handy. Makes sense, But yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean the eighteen hundreds impersonator. No, that's one thing
Speaker 1: not in the phone book. We can't just find him
Speaker 1: under that. You would look him up in the phone
Speaker 1: book under like eighteen hundreds impersonator. That would be in
Speaker 1: the pages. Hope. I'm so sorry. That's okay, don't worry
Speaker 1: about it. Uh. They were looking at the white pages,
Speaker 1: not the yellow pages. They also ran his fingerprints. They
Speaker 1: couldn't find any any record of his fingerprints, and they
Speaker 1: they would check the missing person's report to see if
Speaker 1: somebody reported him missing and nobody had. He wants to
Speaker 1: the address that was on the fifth the fifth Avenue address. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it says you rim want to that address on Fifth
Speaker 1: Avenue and it was a store and the current owner
Speaker 1: didn't know of any Rudolph Fence. So his next bright
Speaker 1: idea was to go through old phone books, which you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know if the library stores those are the
Speaker 1: police departments it keeps a stash of those or what.
Speaker 1: I have no idea what the protocol would be at
Speaker 1: that time for for I mean, their their documentation. There's
Speaker 1: something that I imagine at the time we're useful, but
Speaker 1: I have no idea where you would go to find
Speaker 1: those in nineties the library you think it was library, Well,
Speaker 1: that's where they you know, archive all of the old
Speaker 1: newspapers and things like that. I presume you would keep
Speaker 1: records like that as well. That's put him on the
Speaker 1: what's what's the tape that they put it on? Yeah?
Speaker 1: How old is that? That's fifties right, Well, I'm guessing yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it had been around, so already we're way off track,
Speaker 1: by the way. That's just assume that the NYPD had
Speaker 1: a stash of phone books for purposes like this, and
Speaker 1: so I started going through old phone books and finally
Speaker 1: found a from a phone book dated ninety found a
Speaker 1: Rudolph Fence Junior with the New York address. He went
Speaker 1: to that address, this is a room, and our our
Speaker 1: policeman and found it. It It was an apartment building, and
Speaker 1: he found a few residents of the building who remembered Fence.
Speaker 1: Because I remember this is only eleven years before. I
Speaker 1: don't think people moved as off and back in those
Speaker 1: days as they do now. That would make sense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they said when they last they last remembered, it was
Speaker 1: being a man of around sixty years or so who
Speaker 1: worked who had worked at a bank somewhere close by,
Speaker 1: and they said that he moved out after his retirement
Speaker 1: in nineteen forty and moved away and nobody knew where,
Speaker 1: but that that was a clue. Rim contacted the bank
Speaker 1: that Fence had worked at. The banks said that Fence
Speaker 1: had died five years before. But there's what it was
Speaker 1: still alive and living in Florida, isn't it always Florida
Speaker 1: right now? Well, it's down there at the bottom, so
Speaker 1: that's where everything sort of like goes downhill, just sort
Speaker 1: of rolls downhill and winds up there. That's how that works.
Speaker 1: Rim tracked the track the widow down and they had
Speaker 1: they studied stuff. He didn't travel to Florida, but they
Speaker 1: established a correspondence and she told him that Rudolph Fence Senior,
Speaker 1: which would be her late husband's father, had disappeared in
Speaker 1: the spring of eighteen seventy six at the age of
Speaker 1: twenty nine. Very mysterious. Yea seventy or four years before.
Speaker 1: The guy was okay, I was doing the same thing.
Speaker 1: Mental math, not my high stand. Let me get a calculator.
Speaker 1: Rudolph Fence Senior had a wife who did not like
Speaker 1: him smoking his cigars in the house, so he got
Speaker 1: in the habit of taking a stroll around the neighborhood
Speaker 1: while smoking, and he'd always do it at night for
Speaker 1: going to bed. It's his last smoke of the day.
Speaker 1: One night, he left for his walk around ten pm
Speaker 1: and he was never seen or heard from again. Next up,
Speaker 1: our our policeman, Captain Rim checked the NYPD's missing person's
Speaker 1: files for eighteen seventy six, and sure enough, there was
Speaker 1: Rudolph Weird Yeah, and the missing person's reported it. In
Speaker 1: the clothes that he was last seen wearing, we're identical
Speaker 1: to the ones that he was found in nineteen. So
Speaker 1: this is like a dead Ringer match, same guy, Rudolph
Speaker 1: Fence disappears and then reappears and then at the still
Speaker 1: at the age of seventy four years later. So he
Speaker 1: just went wandered into like a wormhole in time and this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I had a time portal and boom hate those things.
Speaker 1: They always That's why I always, you know, just in
Speaker 1: case I get transported into the past. You know, I
Speaker 1: always carry a block nine millimeter in a thousand rounds
Speaker 1: of just in case I'm transported back to medieval times,
Speaker 1: I'll be the king of everything. That's true. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is my boomstick. Yeah but what what movie was
Speaker 1: that from where the guy called it his boomstick? It
Speaker 1: was the sounds like something Arnold would say. Was it
Speaker 1: Evil Dead? Bruce? Bruce Campbell? Yeah it was Bruce Campbell?
Speaker 1: Did it an evil Dead? And he had a he
Speaker 1: had a gun and he called it his boomstick. That's
Speaker 1: the worst thing I ever heard in my entire life.
Speaker 1: That's a great movie. It's a good movie. Soy solved mystery.
Speaker 1: Not so it's a huge mystery. Yeah, it was. You
Speaker 1: got published quite a large number of times. It got
Speaker 1: published all over the place, and then of course after
Speaker 1: the after the Internet arose, it got published even more so.
Speaker 1: Two thousand, the year two thousand of Spanish magazine published
Speaker 1: the same story and the published it as a factual report,
Speaker 1: and that caught the attention of a folklore researcher named
Speaker 1: Chris Aubeck. Wait, so before that, everybody had been printing
Speaker 1: it is kind of an anecdotal story. Yeah, it's basically,
Speaker 1: like you know, it's circulated like an urban legend. It was.
Speaker 1: It was like this story and and a lot of
Speaker 1: a lot of like unsolved mysteries websites and things like that,
Speaker 1: would you know, published period magazines and books and stuff
Speaker 1: like that, fiction stuff like that, tales from the strange. Yeah.
Speaker 1: In two thousand I discovered that the tale actually began
Speaker 1: life as part of a short story that was written
Speaker 1: by a sci fi author named Jack Finney. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you guys have heard of Yeah, so that's
Speaker 1: something interesting about Jack Finney. I didn't know until I
Speaker 1: started researching this is that his book bought the body
Speaker 1: Snatchers was adapted in the movie Invasion of the Body Snatchers. Really, yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. I did not know that. I
Speaker 1: didn't know it was him. I didn't I didn't know
Speaker 1: he was the one who came up with a story
Speaker 1: sci fi classic, right. Yeah, I guess that's what you
Speaker 1: get from for having a mom like mine. I just
Speaker 1: grew up on B movies. Any Way, back to Jack Finney.
Speaker 1: So he published the story a short story in Collier's
Speaker 1: magazine in ninety one that was in September. The story
Speaker 1: was called I'm Scared. Then two years later a guy
Speaker 1: named Terrible title. Yeah, well it must have been from
Speaker 1: the point of view offense, right um. I haven't read
Speaker 1: the story yet. I don't know if I will actually,
Speaker 1: but I probably will at some point. Two years later,
Speaker 1: a guy named Alph Holland came along. He was part
Speaker 1: of a group of people called the Borderland Sciences Research Foundation,
Speaker 1: which was dedicated to the UFOs and you know and
Speaker 1: all sorts of weird phenomenon stuff like that. Half Yeah,
Speaker 1: these guys are still around, and they have a website.
Speaker 1: I've got I've got a link here to their their
Speaker 1: thing on Rudolph fence. I'll click that right here on
Speaker 1: this paper. I just have to put your finger on
Speaker 1: that and go click click. That's how that works right now.
Speaker 1: And you know, on this one after account of the
Speaker 1: whole story of fence, say they explain how these time
Speaker 1: travel events happen, how well, it's like, imagine it's the
Speaker 1: fourth dimension essentially what they say, so the third dimension.
Speaker 1: Imagine the third dimension is a sphere, a rotating sphere
Speaker 1: and circle, and it's nestled inside another sphere, the larger sphere,
Speaker 1: which is a fourth dimension. Both of these spheres have
Speaker 1: holes in the small and large, and when they're all
Speaker 1: they're both turning. And when they on two of those
Speaker 1: holes in line, well you got your time portal, which
Speaker 1: is why it's so in freak went in unheard of. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, time portals could be opening up all over
Speaker 1: the place. But if just say, you know, a piece
Speaker 1: of cloud steps into one, well it's you know, it's
Speaker 1: not a huge thing. Maybe you know, maybe a squirrel
Speaker 1: jumps into a time pork was transported a hundred years
Speaker 1: into the future. Or I certainly loved the idea of
Speaker 1: time traveling squirrels. I didn't find their explanation terribly convincing myself. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Moorland Sciences published a regular pamphlet promoting their views. It
Speaker 1: was called the Journal of Borderland Research, and this story
Speaker 1: appeared in it in nineteen seventy two, and it was
Speaker 1: footnoted if what't The source of the story was a
Speaker 1: book called A Voice from the Gallery, which was published
Speaker 1: in nineteen fifty three by Ralph Holland. He took He
Speaker 1: took the Finney story and essentially reworked it so it
Speaker 1: didn't appear to be an actual short story, made it
Speaker 1: sound like it was the real deal, documented defense and
Speaker 1: of course didn't give Jack Finney any credit, and claimed
Speaker 1: that it was all true and put it in his book.
Speaker 1: Chris Obb trace the story back as far as the
Speaker 1: nineteen fifty three book and then if you published an
Speaker 1: article about the fence story and what he had found.
Speaker 1: He was contacted by a pastor named George Murphy who
Speaker 1: would recognize the story. I guess, he wrote, I guess
Speaker 1: he was a sci fi fan or a regular reader
Speaker 1: of Colliers whatever, but he'd recognize the story. And he
Speaker 1: told I back about the original Finny story and Collier's
Speaker 1: magazine n the mystery was solved. So it started out
Speaker 1: as a short story, and then a guy, a guy
Speaker 1: plagiarized it two years later, and that's somebody and then
Speaker 1: and then it was circulating around and then it got
Speaker 1: replagiarized in seventy two. But Borderland's guys who Holland was
Speaker 1: affiliated with the next thing. You know, it's this big
Speaker 1: old urban legend. So this is why you don't steal. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well yeah, plagiarism is not it's not a classic thing
Speaker 1: to do. So one further little twist of the story is,
Speaker 1: and I'm not sure if this is true. I didn't,
Speaker 1: I was not able to. Actually I found it as
Speaker 1: me too exactly. But that's it anyway, for fun. In
Speaker 1: two thousand seven, researcher who was working for the Berlin
Speaker 1: Berlin News Archive found a newspaper story in their archives
Speaker 1: in German, of course, but it was from April nineteen
Speaker 1: fifty one, reporting the story almost exactly as it's reported today.
Speaker 1: Now this this would have been printed months prior to
Speaker 1: the finny story appearing in Colliers. Yeah, well, but it's
Speaker 1: entirely likely that the story had been put out several times.
Speaker 1: I mean, writers do that they submitted to more than
Speaker 1: one place, but probably most German language German magazine. I
Speaker 1: don't know, well, was the was the article? Was it?
Speaker 1: It was the story entirely in German? It wasn't. It
Speaker 1: wasn't like they got it somewhere and they translated it
Speaker 1: to reprint it themselves. Is that what I'm to understand?
Speaker 1: You know, it's entirely possible that he actually actually wrote
Speaker 1: the story a couple of years before, and he'd been
Speaker 1: shopping it around to a number of periodicals. And that's
Speaker 1: that's what I'm I'm getting at. Yeah, And as somebody
Speaker 1: ripped him off and finds that somebody, somebody, some of
Speaker 1: some German guys, says, hey, let's translate this to German
Speaker 1: because we're even less likely to get caught, get busted
Speaker 1: for plagiarism. Story got ripped off many times. Yeah. Another
Speaker 1: another odd fact, and this is against something I can't
Speaker 1: I can't corroborate, but researchers have actually claimed to have
Speaker 1: found evidence of the real Rutolf Fense who at a
Speaker 1: real Rutolf Fense who disappeared in eighteen seventy six at nine. Yeah. Again,
Speaker 1: this is I think this is something somebody probably made up,
Speaker 1: but they never know. Yeah, I would want to know
Speaker 1: how they found. That sounds like something we should probably
Speaker 1: set the interns on. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, absolutely. So it's
Speaker 1: just a story. It's just a made up story. But
Speaker 1: maybe not. We'll find out when the interns come back
Speaker 1: with their information. They're gonna dig into it. They'll they'll
Speaker 1: find something. Well, next up is my story, So okay,
Speaker 1: why not. July nineteen fifty four, Tokyo officials are monitoring
Speaker 1: ssengers who are deplaning or maybe also checking passports. It's
Speaker 1: hard to tell. The nineteen fifties security was like, okay,
Speaker 1: not existent. No, I mean it existed. You know, this
Speaker 1: was just post World War Two. It's kind of the
Speaker 1: time when security was higher. Most of the time that
Speaker 1: I've read the story, I've read that the officials were just,
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, watching people deplane, and they spot a
Speaker 1: man that they, for reasons unknown, find suspicious. Um he's
Speaker 1: a fairly conventional looking Caucasian mail but they decide to
Speaker 1: employ the very first line of defense in this situation.
Speaker 1: They check a passport. But on they check his passport.
Speaker 1: That's what you usually do if somebody's looking a little
Speaker 1: suspiciousty excuse me, sir, Can I check your passport? Easy
Speaker 1: way to stop somebody. So it's clearly a passport, a
Speaker 1: real passport that bears all of the typical security indicators
Speaker 1: which I guess you can't forge and aer like international,
Speaker 1: which I think that's true. Most of the passports you
Speaker 1: see look basically the same. They have a different color cover,
Speaker 1: different seal on the front, unt but for the most
Speaker 1: part they're organized basically the same. Yeah, and they country
Speaker 1: they all have very typical security things that you can't
Speaker 1: forge necessarily. I don't know, I'm not you know, like
Speaker 1: they'd have the foil and lays and the seals and
Speaker 1: all of that stuff that you're not passports are not
Speaker 1: forgeable by nature. Well, but this is ninety four. But
Speaker 1: even then, there's no point in issuing something that you
Speaker 1: can easily forge. Actual Yeah, so visa stamps, but also
Speaker 1: you know, the stamps over the picture of the passport,
Speaker 1: things like that, impressions in the Yeah, it looked really official.
Speaker 1: Just to say it wasn't clearly forgery or anything like that.
Speaker 1: It's generally accepted. It looked like it was real. The
Speaker 1: only problem was that the country of issuance was tarad.
Speaker 1: That's how we're saying it. I'm going with either of those.
Speaker 1: And as you're probably aware, I know you guys are,
Speaker 1: most of our listeners probably are. That's not a country, yeah,
Speaker 1: not one that we know I could see in the town. No,
Speaker 1: and not on Earth at least, and definitely not currently
Speaker 1: and not in the fifties either. So obviously they decided
Speaker 1: to take this guy in for a little more questioning.
Speaker 1: He's got a passport from a place that doesn't exist.
Speaker 1: But apparently this man spoke fluent Japanese, and upon further
Speaker 1: inspection of his passport, they found that it had lots
Speaker 1: of those stamps that we were just talking about, the
Speaker 1: visa stamps, many of which were actually from Tokyo. So
Speaker 1: he'd been through Tokyo with no problem before, apparently on
Speaker 1: this passport, which is odd. Right. The officials continue to
Speaker 1: question the man, and they asked him just you know,
Speaker 1: to show him where they're where he's from. You know.
Speaker 1: Maybe I guess the rationale is, maybe he's a speech impediment.
Speaker 1: May maybe he's just saying it weird. Also, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of countries in the world. May we missed one,
Speaker 1: but it wasn't just saying it though it was written
Speaker 1: on his passport. But if, but if English is not
Speaker 1: their first language, they be questioning what, Oh, he was
Speaker 1: in Japanese? You know. I if English is not his
Speaker 1: first language and he's saying a word that they don't know,
Speaker 1: they're going to presume it's something native to him. I
Speaker 1: would guess if Japanese isn't his first language. Correct. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it's possible that he's pronouncing it weird or whatever. Yeah. Sure, although,
Speaker 1: as Joe points out, it is written right. So they
Speaker 1: show him a map or a globe or something, and
Speaker 1: they say, al right, just point tell us where you're from.
Speaker 1: Point at it. And he points um at a place,
Speaker 1: confidently at the nation of his origin. It's been there forever.
Speaker 1: That's where he's from, but becomes very confused and angry
Speaker 1: when he actually looks at the map because the country
Speaker 1: that he was pointing out was not Tarude, tired, Tarid, Tarude.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say Tarude because that's how I say in
Speaker 1: my brain. It's not his beloved homeland, but instead it's
Speaker 1: the principality of Dora. And it's really small, you guys,
Speaker 1: this is let's let's talk about Andra for a second. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for those of you who don't know, it's the sixth
Speaker 1: smallest country in Europe and it is a hundred and
Speaker 1: eighty one square miles and has a population of about
Speaker 1: eighty five thousand people in two thousand thirteen. That was
Speaker 1: the last number that I could find. That tiny. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's less people actually that down. Then download this podcast
Speaker 1: every month. That's a good statistic for you. Yeah, and Dora,
Speaker 1: it's land locked between France and Spain. It was formed
Speaker 1: in twelve seventy eight, a D or C, whichever you
Speaker 1: go by, and it seems to be going pretty strong.
Speaker 1: But according to this mysterious man, Tarud should have been there.
Speaker 1: It had existed for a thousand years at least, so
Speaker 1: there's that that would be frustrating. Officials decided to explore
Speaker 1: his story more so they look through his things. They've
Speaker 1: on a lot of different European currencies, because you know
Speaker 1: this is pre euro Remember. I know some of you
Speaker 1: are too young to remember times like that, but even
Speaker 1: I remember the pre eurow everything up well, and this
Speaker 1: man was actually be able to produce a quote valid
Speaker 1: unquote driver's license from Tarud, credit cards, bank documents, and
Speaker 1: business papers a lead, the Japanese investigators shouted. So the
Speaker 1: Japanese investigators followed this lead, which I guess you know,
Speaker 1: you guys don't think. They yelled in excitement, a lead,
Speaker 1: find whatever. I'm telling the story, so I get to
Speaker 1: do whatever I want. Anyway, they contacted this bank, which
Speaker 1: was a real bank, um and though they verified somehow
Speaker 1: that the documents were real, they couldn't verify that his
Speaker 1: account or he existed. That's weird, right, yeah, that's unusual,
Speaker 1: you know. They said, oh, yeah, it's our letterhead, it's
Speaker 1: our seal, it's a blah blah blah. You can't just
Speaker 1: download it from the internet. The nineteen you know, so
Speaker 1: he had this stuff in his possession. But they said, oh,
Speaker 1: it's account number blah blah blah. And they said, oh,
Speaker 1: that doesn't exist. And they said, well it's under this name, which,
Speaker 1: by the way, there's no name actually associated with this story.
Speaker 1: But they said, oh, it's in this name. And they said, well,
Speaker 1: that guy doesn't have an account here, so I don't
Speaker 1: know what you're dealing with. They also then contacted his
Speaker 1: place of work, which was a real business, and again
Speaker 1: they could not explain how the man had so much
Speaker 1: documentation that he worked for him, but they didn't have
Speaker 1: record of him existing or being an employee. This is
Speaker 1: really weird. It's really weird. Right, he has all this
Speaker 1: documentation that should prove that he exists. He's seems to
Speaker 1: be very sincere and cooperative and actually genuinely confused about
Speaker 1: why the place that he is from doesn't exist. But
Speaker 1: everything else seems to be normal to him. You know,
Speaker 1: he's dressed in normal clothes, he speaks fluent Japanese, he
Speaker 1: has actual currency from actual places. I don't know. Maybe
Speaker 1: I presume he did because he was from there, but
Speaker 1: he had a driver's license from there, but they have it. Anyways,
Speaker 1: this this interrogation and fact checking and all of that stuff,
Speaker 1: it took about eight hours, at which point all parties
Speaker 1: were basically just tired. He wasn't being uncooperative. They but
Speaker 1: you know, they weren't getting anywhere. But they weren't getting
Speaker 1: anywhere because they were just they was all dead ends.
Speaker 1: So the police decided to just place the man in
Speaker 1: a guarded hotel room at night. They didn't, you know,
Speaker 1: they didn't want to lock him up in jail. He
Speaker 1: hadn't really actually technically broken any laws hospitality. Technically, he
Speaker 1: didn't break any laws. He was being cooperative, he was
Speaker 1: being sincere. He was genuinely confused and frustrated and scared.
Speaker 1: So they thought, well, we'll just put him in the hotel.
Speaker 1: We'll just you know, have a guard posted outside and
Speaker 1: we'll be fine. Of course, they picked a room. There
Speaker 1: was a small window, allege, no ledge, you know, things
Speaker 1: like that, minor security measures that you would but basically,
Speaker 1: I think they seemed to feel bad for the guy.
Speaker 1: They allowed him to have dinner at the hotel restaurant
Speaker 1: and then escorted him back to his hotel room, and
Speaker 1: all parties agreed, including this man, that they would just
Speaker 1: continue to try and get to the bottom of it
Speaker 1: in the morning, because everybody kind of wanted to know
Speaker 1: what was going on. When they went to go get
Speaker 1: him in the morning, he wasn't there. He was gone.
Speaker 1: He just left. He didn't check out. There was a
Speaker 1: guard posted outside the only door that could get him
Speaker 1: out of the place, and he said the door didn't
Speaker 1: open all night, didn't hear anything unusual, There was no
Speaker 1: suspicious behavior. There was just a small window leading out
Speaker 1: of the room, and there was no ledge or anything,
Speaker 1: and it was on a busy street or something like that.
Speaker 1: Nger than that, It was my impression. It was the
Speaker 1: fifth or six. Were there any great blinding flashes of light?
Speaker 1: Not as far? I mean, you know, the guard said,
Speaker 1: nothing unusual to report, just went to knock on the door,
Speaker 1: and then suddenly there was nobody there. So the Japanese officials,
Speaker 1: of course mounted a search. But then about after a day,
Speaker 1: I did, well, we're not going to find him, so
Speaker 1: they just stopped looking for him, and I guess decide.
Speaker 1: I think they probably just decided it was all too
Speaker 1: weird and they would just believe it be. It's Tokyo, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a gazillion people in Tokyo. Even I can imagine
Speaker 1: trying to find him, even even a white guy. When
Speaker 1: there's enough people around, it's going to be hard to track.
Speaker 1: So they're actually sorry, go ahead. So this guy was
Speaker 1: a time traveler from the future, correct, I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't think it's from the future. He was modern to
Speaker 1: that time, right, it wasn't. It didn't seem as though
Speaker 1: he had been blasted from the future back in you know,
Speaker 1: his clothes were very authentic to the time, things like that.
Speaker 1: So actually There are a couple theories about this. One
Speaker 1: is that he he just came from an alternate reality.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we know that there are in
Speaker 1: infinite possibilities of worlds that exist in in this universe
Speaker 1: or in multiple universe is that is the multiverse theory multiverse,
Speaker 1: so we get it's possible that this man came from
Speaker 1: an alternate dimension, adulterate dimension Earth, even in which the
Speaker 1: only difference was a tiny sovereign country or the only
Speaker 1: difference that they found out about which this falls into
Speaker 1: that same fourth dimension holes lining up, somebody accedentally popping. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's totally possible that he just popped
Speaker 1: into our universe, not from a different time, but from
Speaker 1: a different universe. That was the only really difference that
Speaker 1: again that we could discern. I think that he probably
Speaker 1: would have said other things if if he realized he
Speaker 1: would have maybe said, oh, well, yeah, and then there's
Speaker 1: this war happening, and they would have said what what
Speaker 1: or oh, why are you guys all not wearing green
Speaker 1: right now? You know, things like little things. But if
Speaker 1: there are in the multiverse theory, that is literally a possibility. Literally,
Speaker 1: you know, there could be a universe where the only
Speaker 1: possibility is that, uh, Steve has hair. That's the only
Speaker 1: difference in the universe. I have hair. Well, it's clear,
Speaker 1: I have a full head of hair. It's just clear. Right,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Anyways, there's another theory. But you know,
Speaker 1: actually this actually suggests a way to solve the mystery.
Speaker 1: If if these these clods have only thought of it back, then,
Speaker 1: which is that Andorra. If it's the only difference is
Speaker 1: that Andorra in our world was named Tored in the
Speaker 1: other world, then there's got to be a copy of
Speaker 1: this guy living in Andorra. And there's only eight people,
Speaker 1: so it would have been a simple manner to interrogate everybody,
Speaker 1: every single Yeah, yeah, you're totally right. Of course, there's
Speaker 1: another theory here, less metaphysical. It is possible that this
Speaker 1: man was brainwashed, right, he was genuinely confused. It's possible
Speaker 1: that he had been brainwashed and led to believe that
Speaker 1: he was from the country that didn't exist. Maybe for
Speaker 1: a reconmission. It's also possible a recondission into Japan well,
Speaker 1: to see if he could get in, all right, I mean,
Speaker 1: he gets in on a fake passport or how long
Speaker 1: does it take them to actually react or whatever. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you if you are if you're trying to invade
Speaker 1: a country, or if you're trying to like sneak in
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, will people notice something? And how far
Speaker 1: can you push the forgery? For instance, if it was
Speaker 1: a forgery, how far can you push that document? How
Speaker 1: far can you push that before the officials will actually notice?
Speaker 1: So they're testing their Japanese security, Yeah, absolutely they could.
Speaker 1: Also it could also have been a dark government ployd
Speaker 1: on awry. Yeah, I'd be just thinking it could have
Speaker 1: been like some spy con kind of thing. And well,
Speaker 1: once you have a story, you stick to it so
Speaker 1: you can escape. You stick to your story. But if
Speaker 1: you're gonna be, if you're actually gonna be a kind
Speaker 1: of a spy trying to slip into the country, you know,
Speaker 1: doesn't really make a lot of sense to have a
Speaker 1: passport a phony country. Why wouldn't you just do the
Speaker 1: same country. The thing that I actually think is valid
Speaker 1: in this though, is that the passport was stamped a
Speaker 1: number of times. And typically if you're just bringing the
Speaker 1: passport up to somebody for your visa stamp, they see
Speaker 1: it stamped before. They're just going to assume it's a
Speaker 1: good passport. They don't need to check it, stamp it,
Speaker 1: and send you on your way, particularly if you're deplaning
Speaker 1: with hundreds of people, right, it's easier to just get
Speaker 1: lost in that crowd and have them just keep stamping. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: similar to to Joe's story, it's just a story. Uh.
Speaker 1: The original source for the story was a book called
Speaker 1: The Directory of Possibilities. And I've actually read the portion
Speaker 1: of this book that pertains to this, and it's definitely
Speaker 1: literally just a story. Sorry, guys, So that the explicitly
Speaker 1: states in this work this is all just fiction. No,
Speaker 1: but it's clearly it doesn't try and claim oh and
Speaker 1: here's a source for it, and here's another source for it.
Speaker 1: It's just a Directory of Possibilities where they tell a
Speaker 1: bunch of sci fi stories and they say, well these
Speaker 1: this might have happened. I don't know, maybe, so sorry,
Speaker 1: it's just a short story fiction book. Yeah, got out
Speaker 1: back my story. It turned into an urban legend. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Actually that book contains within it a lot of kind
Speaker 1: of popped out of into history dimensions stories. Rudolf Fense
Speaker 1: may even be in there. The next one that we've
Speaker 1: got would be my story, which is the next chronologically next,
Speaker 1: and this one's going to be true. Is John tetor
Speaker 1: or Teeter? I've I've heard that, I've heard it pronounced
Speaker 1: a couple of different ways. I'm I'm just gonna go
Speaker 1: with Teeter. The story of John Teter is. John Teter
Speaker 1: is the name of a self proclaimed time traveler from
Speaker 1: the year six. He first appeared on internet forums for
Speaker 1: the Time Travel Institute on the second of November two thousand,
Speaker 1: but he wasn't calling himself John Teeter. He was instead
Speaker 1: calling himself or using his handle, time traveler Underscore zero. Well,
Speaker 1: I must have gotten on there pretty quick, because, yeah,
Speaker 1: the Time Travel Institute for him. You would think that
Speaker 1: that's probably why he had the zero, Probably because somebody
Speaker 1: else got time traveler trying time travel. Yeah, that's probably
Speaker 1: one of the moderators. Um. Teeter would go on to
Speaker 1: make claims or predictions about future events and provide descriptions
Speaker 1: of how time travel worked, and then he would quote
Speaker 1: unquote leave us. On the March two thousand one, he
Speaker 1: went back to the future apparently, so he came spent
Speaker 1: about five months and in the century and then left.
Speaker 1: Huh yeah, the original posts as the name of the
Speaker 1: forum time Travel Institute or the forum would indicate we're
Speaker 1: we're about time travel. And it wasn't until he started
Speaker 1: using the forums in two thousand and one January, yeah,
Speaker 1: January of two thousand one, for the now defunct art
Speaker 1: Bell forums that the name John Teeter came about. And
Speaker 1: that's that's because they required a name instead of just
Speaker 1: a handle, right, and that is absolutely correct. They required
Speaker 1: an actual name instead of just some made up whatever
Speaker 1: you wanted to use. Now the I just briefly mentioned
Speaker 1: there's the aren't Bell forums aren't in existence anymore. But
Speaker 1: people liked or were so interested in what Teeter said
Speaker 1: that they actually copied them and put them onto other sites,
Speaker 1: and eventually that all got co mingled into one location again.
Speaker 1: But here's here's what he claimed. He said that he
Speaker 1: was a soldier sent from the year six and a
Speaker 1: computer virus and or bug. I never was quite clear,
Speaker 1: is it okay, because I've seen it called the virus?
Speaker 1: Have seen it called the bug? Okay, was going to
Speaker 1: wipe out the computers in his world, and his mission
Speaker 1: was to head back to in order to get an
Speaker 1: IBM fifty one computer, which was necessary have the evidently
Speaker 1: the necessary equipment to fight that bug. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: to fix it. I think you're going to talk about
Speaker 1: this little bit, but it is an actual thing. It
Speaker 1: really was actually happening at that time that very few
Speaker 1: people knew about. Yes, that is correct. Yeah, the bug
Speaker 1: well yeah, here here's what it is. Is is the
Speaker 1: the IBM people say and or we've figured out it
Speaker 1: has the ability to read both a p L, which
Speaker 1: I believe he stands for a programming language actually and
Speaker 1: basic code. No one knew until after Teeters posts had
Speaker 1: stopped that what he was saying was accurate, and indeed
Speaker 1: engineers from IBM confirmed that yes, this computer from was
Speaker 1: able to use both of these codes, both ap L
Speaker 1: and basic. I think, I think almost, I think just
Speaker 1: about any computer can use those things. I don't. I mean,
Speaker 1: the thing about it is it's like I have very
Speaker 1: limited programming knowledge. I will admit that right now. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's actually. Um, the way it works is in a computer,
Speaker 1: the only language it speaks is machine code like hexadscible code.
Speaker 1: And then if you want to run a language like
Speaker 1: C plus plus, then you've got either get an interpreter
Speaker 1: or compiler. So you write your program in C plus
Speaker 1: plus or in basic or in a p L, and
Speaker 1: then you compile it to compile or translates that into
Speaker 1: the machine code that the computer actually knows. That makes
Speaker 1: sense some but but I don't. I'm I'm guessing that
Speaker 1: not every computer can read every other computers compiled code.
Speaker 1: That's why I can't about something from Windows on an
Speaker 1: Apple computer. Yeah, I mean, you've got to get a
Speaker 1: compiler that's specific to that particular type of machine share.
Speaker 1: And I think that's what basically what the IBM was
Speaker 1: all about. But but here's the reason that they're after
Speaker 1: it is that there is an issue with Unix or
Speaker 1: Unix based code, which is everything, which is just to
Speaker 1: clarify most everything, every every operating system we use at
Speaker 1: this point is Unix? Is it? Now? Okay again, I'm programming,
Speaker 1: not my wheelhouse. The thing is is everybody will remember
Speaker 1: the whole ker buffle of Y two K and how
Speaker 1: it's going to screw up the banking system because of
Speaker 1: the way the numbers go. Well, there's the same issue
Speaker 1: with Unix. It's called the year eight problem. Simple this again,
Speaker 1: I had to simplify this, just to wrap my head
Speaker 1: around it. What it means is that there's gonna be
Speaker 1: an issue at three hours, fourteen seconds or fourteen minutes
Speaker 1: seven seconds universal time code is that what UTC stands for, Okay,
Speaker 1: on the nineteenth of January, at which point, because of
Speaker 1: the way that Unix encodes the date time in binary format,
Speaker 1: it's not going to be able to record it properly anymore,
Speaker 1: and it's clocks are gonna jump back to one. Um
Speaker 1: it runs out of space? Is it runs out of
Speaker 1: space where it starts over to what those old Well,
Speaker 1: so it only hasn't a specific number of slots right, correct, right,
Speaker 1: So it can't be an infinite Oh, we'll just have
Speaker 1: all of this binary code go on forever. So I
Speaker 1: from what I understand from the research that I did
Speaker 1: about this, is that what happens at that very second
Speaker 1: is that you hit the limit. So it's going to restart, yeah,
Speaker 1: or whatever the computer things. But really the main problem
Speaker 1: is it runs out of out of things. It can't
Speaker 1: go to the next second. Yes, exactly, that's my understanding.
Speaker 1: But again I'm not that I've used unix. Is actually
Speaker 1: my jobs in the past. I don't recall we're hearing
Speaker 1: about this in particular, is well, it's because it's been
Speaker 1: solved at this point. It's not. It's not it's a
Speaker 1: non issue. But at this time in programming history, it
Speaker 1: was an issue that IBM actually knew about and that
Speaker 1: they were not advertising for reasons that are probably fairly clear.
Speaker 1: And actually that you know, as he was saying, IBM
Speaker 1: knew about it, and they confirmed it after this story
Speaker 1: because a bunch of people were saying, well, IBM, is
Speaker 1: this true? Can you validate this? And they said, well,
Speaker 1: we're really going to tell anybody, but yes, And apparently
Speaker 1: it was one of those things that very a few
Speaker 1: people knew about outside of IBM. Apparently that's what I've read,
Speaker 1: and and in Teeter's time as well as ours. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, like Devil was talking about, everything was Unix space.
Speaker 1: So it was going to cause this huge problem because
Speaker 1: they hadn't figured out how to fix it in his time,
Speaker 1: so they had to reset it with this new computer. Right.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest, I still don't understand what the
Speaker 1: IBM gonna do. That doesn't make a lot of sense. Well,
Speaker 1: it actually, I don't know. When you go out and
Speaker 1: read it at Yeah, you can read it and if
Speaker 1: if code makes sense to you, you'll get it. It
Speaker 1: doesn't to me as many times as I read it
Speaker 1: in many versions. It's just that I just don't think
Speaker 1: that way. But but back to Teter, he he said
Speaker 1: that his reason for being in the year two thousand
Speaker 1: was for personal reasons. Over the period of about four months,
Speaker 1: he responded to questions from people who were pasting on
Speaker 1: the forums. He described future events. But he always and
Speaker 1: I gotta admit this is a pretty good thing that
Speaker 1: he did for himself. Yeah, is He always kind of
Speaker 1: gave the general disclaimer that there are multiple realities and
Speaker 1: alternate realities do exist, and so it's possible that we
Speaker 1: might not be in the same timeline as where he
Speaker 1: came from. Well, didn't he describe the way that you
Speaker 1: have to time travel to without paradoxes in that way? Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're definitely gonna get to that. And obviously he's not
Speaker 1: at the same time on his US because the first
Speaker 1: thing that comes up there. Yeah, but he he talks
Speaker 1: about some things. He gives some dire warnings for everybody
Speaker 1: to learn first aid and stop eating beef because well
Speaker 1: mad cow disease is a huge, terrible problem in his time.
Speaker 1: In fairness, it was a little bit of a thing
Speaker 1: for us. It was a little bit of a thing
Speaker 1: for us. But evidently in his time is knocking people
Speaker 1: out left, right and center. Although again, in fairness, I'm
Speaker 1: not totally sure how first aid like helps with mad
Speaker 1: cow disease. But okay, he was talking about an apocalypse. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's where that's coming from. It. We're going to
Speaker 1: get into that just in a moment. I just want
Speaker 1: to get a couple of other things that he gave
Speaker 1: information on. He provided a bunch of tactical specs regarding
Speaker 1: how time travel worked, which were I read through a
Speaker 1: little bit of it. It's pretty interesting. He used some
Speaker 1: really complex algorithms. He gave some hard to understand images
Speaker 1: of his time machine. And his time machine was pretty
Speaker 1: awesome because it was well, the first one was in
Speaker 1: uh god, what was it? It was a car? Well know,
Speaker 1: it eventually into yeah, yeah, he moved it to a suburban,
Speaker 1: but it was in some kind of seventies sports car.
Speaker 1: I want to say it was like a Camaro or
Speaker 1: a core of I love this thing, man. I love
Speaker 1: also that you know, you need a car for it,
Speaker 1: but you can just move it from car to car. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just you know, it's like the Dolorean future, except
Speaker 1: for that the Dorian was integral to that time machine, right,
Speaker 1: it was embedded in the DeLorean, whereas this thing was
Speaker 1: a huge box. Right do you have to do you
Speaker 1: have to like have a car so you can plug
Speaker 1: this thing into the cigarette lighter and like to make
Speaker 1: it move with you. That that's like connection. So did
Speaker 1: he go to it like a museum and get himself
Speaker 1: a classic seventies car? Or why didn't he just didn't
Speaker 1: you grab a futuristic car and bring that back? That
Speaker 1: would have been much more cool. I think he wanted
Speaker 1: to blend in, right, if your time travel, you want
Speaker 1: to blend in a little. Yeah, you don't want to
Speaker 1: have a twenty seven car. But also maybe cars didn't
Speaker 1: really maybe he could find one, right, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's a hard thing is is he showed
Speaker 1: a lot of things that we're plausible, but there isn't
Speaker 1: a whole lot there to to really back up. The
Speaker 1: other thing that he showed, of course, was his his
Speaker 1: awesomely cool futuristic military insignia. I think it's kind of cool.
Speaker 1: It is. It's it makes me think of something that's
Speaker 1: a cross between stargate and NASA. Yeah. Yeah, it totally
Speaker 1: does look like a kind of a space insignia that
Speaker 1: somebody would have come up with in the eighties. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, or you know, ripped off from an Air
Speaker 1: Force group or something like that. I mean, it's it's
Speaker 1: hard to say, but but like I said, Teeter, he
Speaker 1: made a lot of predictions, uh that that don't appear
Speaker 1: to have come true, and there's there there were some
Speaker 1: great ones. He's got one left, which is that in
Speaker 1: this year, World War three is going to break out,
Speaker 1: which I'm really hoping doesn't happen. Yeah, I hope it
Speaker 1: doesn't happen to Actually, when you look at the world
Speaker 1: is kind of going up in flames easday. Well there's
Speaker 1: here's I just want to call out a couple that
Speaker 1: a handful that he gave note of. First one is
Speaker 1: that a civil war would break out in the US
Speaker 1: and it would start with civil unrest and take off
Speaker 1: in two thousand five and would split the US eventually
Speaker 1: into five separate regions with different leaders and objectives, which
Speaker 1: obviously hasn't happened. We didn't break up in two thousand
Speaker 1: and eight. The two thousand eight Olympics would be canceled.
Speaker 1: That obviously didn't happen. They were in Beijing. He made
Speaker 1: a comment, I believe the comment was something along the
Speaker 1: lines of have you figured out the overheating problem with
Speaker 1: your space plane? He called it a space plan, which
Speaker 1: people have said was a reference to the space Shuttle. Well,
Speaker 1: if you know your history, Columbia space a disaster of
Speaker 1: two thousand three was caused because a piece of insulating
Speaker 1: foam on the which rocket is it? It was the
Speaker 1: main rocket that lifts it off from the Earth, the
Speaker 1: booster rocket, I think it is, which one it was.
Speaker 1: Chunk of foam came off, hit the tip of the wing,
Speaker 1: caused a hole which, when the shuttle re entered the atmosphere,
Speaker 1: began to disintegrate because of the friction and the heat
Speaker 1: and the pressure, which of course then caused the whole
Speaker 1: thing to disintegrate and kill everybody. I'm not willing to
Speaker 1: overheating issue. That's that's more like overheating and bursting and
Speaker 1: the bursting into flames, And no, it's not. It's an
Speaker 1: issue of faulty equipment. It's just not secured, right. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: and they've they obviously fixed this for all future missions.
Speaker 1: But people have pointed to that as well. Looked he
Speaker 1: was right. We've got another one where he said China
Speaker 1: would put a man into orbit, which was an easy one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just a matter of time. He did it in
Speaker 1: two thousand and three. Uh. This one that didn't come
Speaker 1: through was that cern would discover time travel in the
Speaker 1: year two thousand and one. You don't know that, and
Speaker 1: as far as we know that, it hasn't happened. You
Speaker 1: don't know. Well, though, you're right, I don't about why
Speaker 1: would day Oh my god, can you imagine? Well you
Speaker 1: think about this if you if you want to keep
Speaker 1: the existence of time travel under wraps, and some guy
Speaker 1: goes out and blabs, you just get in the timechine,
Speaker 1: go back to the day before he blabs and kill
Speaker 1: him exactly. Isn't that we'd never know? Wow, he slipped
Speaker 1: on a banana? Better? Better still, you know you go
Speaker 1: back to you go back to a day before whoever
Speaker 1: briefed this guy on the time travel thing and just
Speaker 1: a whisper to somebody, Hey, don't tell him he's a
Speaker 1: blabber mouth. Yeah, that's a much nicer way to go
Speaker 1: about it. Wow, Joe going the moral route. I don't
Speaker 1: usually do that. No, you better not doing anymore. The
Speaker 1: one thing that he did say, and and he well,
Speaker 1: and he did really well as we talked about, was
Speaker 1: he talked about the fact that there was the multiple
Speaker 1: timeline theory is real, and that is why some of
Speaker 1: the things that he saw weren't the same at the time,
Speaker 1: is what he knew should have been happening in two
Speaker 1: thousands and just if if you haven't seen a sci
Speaker 1: fi show that talks about alternate reality or how time
Speaker 1: can quote unquote split into different realities, here's a very
Speaker 1: simplified version. You've got a coin in your hand and
Speaker 1: you flip it and it lands on heads, and your
Speaker 1: timeline continues on as you know it, but in an
Speaker 1: alternate one, the coin lands on tails, and the timeline
Speaker 1: jogs off and it splits off from itself, and from
Speaker 1: there you know that it's landed from tails. So now
Speaker 1: there's two. That's a very very basic basic sums it
Speaker 1: up though, and what it means a sense, a sense
Speaker 1: that things are things are happening. One following one direction
Speaker 1: or there all the time, millions of times every second
Speaker 1: around the world will strains. We've got a lot of
Speaker 1: universes out there. Yeah, there's I mean, there's the quantum
Speaker 1: physics theory, right, is that like all possibilities are happening
Speaker 1: at all time until your brain focuses on one and
Speaker 1: decides to see that one. Right, you can watch Oh god,
Speaker 1: what's the movie? What the bleep do we know? Do
Speaker 1: you guys? Did you guys ever see that? It's like
Speaker 1: a pretty metaphysical telling of quantum physics, but also super
Speaker 1: accessible if you're interested and anyways, it's you know, like
Speaker 1: I said, it's just really easy accessible way too, I
Speaker 1: guess kind of start to wrap your head. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: if if that's something that may interest you. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying it's you know, comprehensive in any way, but you know,
Speaker 1: so in that universe, in that theory that you know,
Speaker 1: the flip of the coin, the coin is literally impinite
Speaker 1: until it's Schrodinger right, Yeah, yeah, right, same thing. So
Speaker 1: all those millions of different universes all out there in
Speaker 1: the same time. This is a solid solid explanation for Yeah.
Speaker 1: The thing about this that the implication of the multiverse
Speaker 1: thing is though, is that is that so many new
Speaker 1: universes are being created every second by all the different
Speaker 1: all the different changes that go on. It means just
Speaker 1: sooner or later we're gonna run. Essentially, we're gonna run
Speaker 1: of ram. This is going to get real Medici is
Speaker 1: going to end real quick. But there's a lot of
Speaker 1: stuff out there about time is just how your brain
Speaker 1: experiences your life. It's not actually linear. Therefore, I won't
Speaker 1: run out of everything. Everything that could have ever possibly
Speaker 1: happened is happening all at once. Yeah, that's true. There
Speaker 1: is that theory, and that's there's a time travel theory
Speaker 1: from that is that you can because everything is happening
Speaker 1: all at the same time, and then we just just
Speaker 1: time is just an illusion that helps us keep track
Speaker 1: of things and make sense of things. That means that
Speaker 1: all you need to do is jump over to a
Speaker 1: multiverse to travel to a different point in time. And
Speaker 1: that's what Peter did. Yeah, and that's and that's uh
Speaker 1: so essentially all you need to do is in a
Speaker 1: teleportation device. And we've already and actually we were already
Speaker 1: working on teleportation right here on planet Earth. Well, you
Speaker 1: actually announced, so that could happen. Maybe he did. Maybe
Speaker 1: maybe he did. The one thing that I and and
Speaker 1: I didn't really I didn't grasp a lot of what
Speaker 1: you guys just talking about. But the one thing that
Speaker 1: I really liked was the way that this applied and
Speaker 1: he explained. Also, everybody I'm hoping has heard of the
Speaker 1: grandfather paradox. Futura addresses it pretty solidly, so the grand
Speaker 1: if you have again, if you haven't heard of it,
Speaker 1: The grandfather paradox was first described in n says a
Speaker 1: time traveler goes back in time and he kills his
Speaker 1: grandfather before his grandfather meets his grandmother. Problem is, of course,
Speaker 1: as a result of the time traveler can't have been born,
Speaker 1: so then his grandfather can't have been killed. So it's
Speaker 1: just it's just paradox. If to have one, you can't
Speaker 1: have the other. So that the alter reality thing solves
Speaker 1: that well, actually, and it doesn't need to need to
Speaker 1: be solved by alternate reality, because you can go back.
Speaker 1: You can go back in time murder your grandfather and
Speaker 1: not cease to exists because your grandmother had an affair
Speaker 1: and he's not actually your grandfather. Yeah, that's what you
Speaker 1: can and just be your own grandfather. There is that.
Speaker 1: There is that, okay, um, But essentially, yeah, he's from
Speaker 1: a different timeline, so that's why everything's not gonna work.
Speaker 1: He could also he could also argue that because he's
Speaker 1: back here, you know, shooting his mouth off and saying stuff,
Speaker 1: he probably shouldn't be saying the timeline and I don't
Speaker 1: know that he wasn't wanting to do that. But let's
Speaker 1: get into the there's really kind of like the other ones,
Speaker 1: really just two theories about this whole thing. Ye. Of course,
Speaker 1: A is that he really was a time traveler. And
Speaker 1: I did, of course look at the specs and they
Speaker 1: make sense to me from a guy who doesn't know
Speaker 1: how time travel works. So it's impressively detailed, and there's
Speaker 1: there's some stuff in there that seems accurate. He he
Speaker 1: did kind of hit the mark on a few things,
Speaker 1: but like I said, the multiverse thing really defends him,
Speaker 1: so he could have been real. The problem actually that
Speaker 1: I read about the whole you know, the science behind
Speaker 1: it and all that stuff. With the specs that he described,
Speaker 1: that that unit that he would have moved from car
Speaker 1: to car, I think they said would have weighed somewhere
Speaker 1: like in the neighborhood of pounds, and that he claimed
Speaker 1: to have just moved it himself. He never said he
Speaker 1: didn't have a forkliff. Perhaps there are really strong he
Speaker 1: is a soldier, But so that was That was a
Speaker 1: problem that I thought presented fairly frequently, was that people
Speaker 1: did look at the specs and kind of trying to
Speaker 1: do the math and crunch the numbers on what that
Speaker 1: thing would have weighed at that point, and it was
Speaker 1: just the right. Yeah. The other thing is that he
Speaker 1: wasn't a scientist from his time. He was a soldier
Speaker 1: and then a farmer according to him, who then got
Speaker 1: into the time travel program as an adult and was
Speaker 1: sent back. So he's grasp of it might not have
Speaker 1: been accurate. The specs that he posted were supposedly pictures
Speaker 1: that he took of the user manual, so that it
Speaker 1: doesn't have to be his understanding was wrong. Good point
Speaker 1: posted specs that he ostensibly had, and he didn't have
Speaker 1: to understand what it meant. Yes, uh, well, let's do
Speaker 1: the second theory on which is it's a hoax. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: he turns Teter didn't appear for the first time ever
Speaker 1: in the year two thousand. He first appeared in nine
Speaker 1: Namee turned up in with with facts is that were
Speaker 1: sent to the Art Bell. At least the first one,
Speaker 1: I believe was on the twenty nine of July, and
Speaker 1: it claimed to be from someone who was a time
Speaker 1: traveler from the year twenty four. The year difference two
Speaker 1: years difference confused from the process of time traveling. Could
Speaker 1: be he forgot what he wasn't completely materialized. I don't
Speaker 1: know figured out how this fact machine thing worked. Maybe
Speaker 1: he maybe he actually was in the year four. Maybe
Speaker 1: that was the first time or the second time that
Speaker 1: he went back. I don't know. But the person who
Speaker 1: said the facts made many similar claims about a few
Speaker 1: teacher But instead of talking about the year twenty eight issue,
Speaker 1: the units issue, was making all kinds of claims about
Speaker 1: the white two K issues that everybody was worried about
Speaker 1: at the time. That's a problem if you're going to
Speaker 1: go public in two thousands. Yes, uh, there is a
Speaker 1: TV show called Voyager. It's an Italian TV show and
Speaker 1: they investigated this. Yeah, in two thousand and eight they
Speaker 1: got a hold of a private detective named Mike Lynch
Speaker 1: who found that there was no registry traces uh present
Speaker 1: or past of a John Teeter or Teeter family. That's okay,
Speaker 1: he's from a different universe. But the thing is Teeter
Speaker 1: said that he was from Florida, and nobody in that
Speaker 1: red that area that he looked for that family name
Speaker 1: wasn't registered. But he did find a for profit company
Speaker 1: called the John Teeter found Dation which was formed on
Speaker 1: the sixteenth September two three. It had no office, it
Speaker 1: was it had a p O box in kissimme? Is
Speaker 1: that how you say that? Kissing me? I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: for kissing me alright, kissing me Florida. There's there's no
Speaker 1: evidence anywhere of Teeter to be found, and the only
Speaker 1: person who happens to be the CEO of the John
Speaker 1: Teeter Foundation by the name of Larry Haber, is the
Speaker 1: only person who ever seems to have met Teeter or
Speaker 1: have any encounters with life in real life. In I
Speaker 1: R L scary, I was about to make the same joke. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the private detective kind of. He came to the conclusion
Speaker 1: that likely Teeter was a guy by the name of
Speaker 1: John Rick Haber, who was the lawyer's brother. He was
Speaker 1: a computer scientist. He would have known about some of
Speaker 1: the things with the IBM and the Unix issue. And
Speaker 1: his name evidently is on a post office box application,
Speaker 1: uh for the John Dieter Foundation. Okay, so there's a problem.
Speaker 1: So I'm while I love the multiverse idea and that
Speaker 1: makes so much of this plausible, that private investigator for
Speaker 1: me at least kind of put the cap on this. Well.
Speaker 1: I think the reason that it's important for us to
Speaker 1: do these stories, and specifically for us as the skeptics
Speaker 1: I guess, to do these stories is that I think
Speaker 1: that at least one of us, but maybe all three
Speaker 1: of us, believe in time travel and believe that the
Speaker 1: multiverse theory is that, Yeah, what you just do as
Speaker 1: an existence human being, But you know, that's the sort
Speaker 1: of thing. It's the same thing with those really bogus
Speaker 1: claims of aliens. Is it's really important to take head
Speaker 1: on the issues of time travel when somebody is just
Speaker 1: clearly just lying about it, when it just debases any
Speaker 1: kind of real claims that may or may not come up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm very skeptical about time travel. I mean, but you
Speaker 1: never know. Things that we thought were impossible a hundred
Speaker 1: years ago, they're happening now, So who the hell knows? Yeah,
Speaker 1: we have little devices in our phone that let us
Speaker 1: talk to people halfway across the world. Years ago didn't
Speaker 1: even exist, and you couldn't even have conceived conversations with
Speaker 1: my ninety seven year old grandmother fairly frequently where you know,
Speaker 1: we talked about the podcast sometimes and it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: we're starting, all right, you know the radio, but it's
Speaker 1: the internet. Do you know the Internet? No, okay, all right,
Speaker 1: let's just so we put it on tape and we
Speaker 1: mail it to everybody. Yeah, that's how we you know
Speaker 1: it's true, it's who knows? Who knows? Yeah, we'll find
Speaker 1: out someday. I'll live to easily. You guys probably will
Speaker 1: I'm I'm guessing I probably will. You get hit by
Speaker 1: a bus cab. And unless nuclear war breaks out this year, yeah,
Speaker 1: pretty big trouble will be poking our heads out of
Speaker 1: the rubble. And hey, titter was right? Does exist? Oh
Speaker 1: my god? So yeah, I mean, I guess if you
Speaker 1: if you really want time travel to be a reality,
Speaker 1: then you've got to be hoping for nuclear war this year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess. Or it's a different universe, it doesn't really matter. Multiverse.
Speaker 1: It's multiverse, different multiverse. Yeah. Anyways, the other thing about
Speaker 1: you would think if time travel existed in the future
Speaker 1: and they were sending people back to do things that
Speaker 1: that retrieve things or for whatever on special missions, you
Speaker 1: would think that they would have briefed them and say, hey,
Speaker 1: by the way, don't change, don't change the future, don't
Speaker 1: don't go to say thing they'll tell you know. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: you think you get that. That would be the basis. Well,
Speaker 1: that's if time is truly linear. If it's a multiverse scenario,
Speaker 1: then who cares. It doesn't matter. As long as you
Speaker 1: come back to the right one. It doesn't matter. But
Speaker 1: you can screw up other timelines, but it doesn't matter
Speaker 1: your timeline. It's not your paramox exactly. I guess with that,
Speaker 1: we're going to wrap it up. It's been an awesome
Speaker 1: adventure your time and space. I still don't see why
Speaker 1: you needed an I I just go google it. I'm
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Speaker 1: and Ted. We really kind of like to know. I mean,
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Speaker 1: with that, I think we're going to scoot on out
Speaker 1: of here back to the future just in time be
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