WEBVTT - LISTEN | Senior Bowl Review & Pre-Draft Evaluation Process (2/2) 0:00:03.640 --> 0:00:06.720 Welcome to another edition of the Official Jets Podcast powered 0:00:06.760 --> 0:00:10.399 by Amazon Web Services. Ethan Greenberg Eric Allen talking about 0:00:10.440 --> 0:00:14.120 the Reese's Senior Ball. You're gonna hear from assistant GM 0:00:14.160 --> 0:00:18.599 rex Hogan, Senior Advisor Phil Savage, and Director of College 0:00:18.600 --> 0:00:21.640 Scouting John Carr. They all three of those guys were 0:00:21.680 --> 0:00:25.360 a part of the ten person contingency down in Mobile 0:00:25.680 --> 0:00:29.520 restricted rules throughout the course of the NFL throughout the 0:00:29.520 --> 0:00:32.720 course of the week in Mobile, Alabama, but still an 0:00:32.720 --> 0:00:36.879 extremely beneficial one and an important one in the draft process. 0:00:36.960 --> 0:00:40.320 So it seems e a Ethan, can I just start 0:00:40.360 --> 0:00:43.000 here by saying that it is Groundhog Day in the 0:00:43.120 --> 0:00:47.800 Groundhog in fact see his shadow. So we got what 0:00:48.040 --> 0:00:50.839 six more weeks of winter, and it does feel like 0:00:50.960 --> 0:00:55.720 Groundhog Day here in Floria Park because we got blitzed 0:00:56.240 --> 0:00:58.880 with snow. I grew up in Buffalo, New York. I 0:00:58.920 --> 0:01:02.160 thought I was seeing Lake effects snow again coming a 0:01:02.160 --> 0:01:05.400 couple of feet out here in Floria Parks. So the guys, 0:01:05.520 --> 0:01:10.920 the Jets contingent who went down to Mobile, Alabama last weekend, Uh, 0:01:10.959 --> 0:01:13.160 they came back and they had a lot of white 0:01:13.160 --> 0:01:16.800 stuff in store for yeah, and down in Mobile I 0:01:16.959 --> 0:01:20.520 we know from our experiences there that the weather is 0:01:20.640 --> 0:01:22.760 very unpredictable, like you could wake up it could be 0:01:22.760 --> 0:01:24.839 thirty degrees and then by the time practice comes around 0:01:24.840 --> 0:01:28.800 it could be And I believe it was Rex Hogan 0:01:28.880 --> 0:01:31.000 that said to you, like, hopefully it's a little warmer 0:01:31.040 --> 0:01:34.440 when he comes back up. Well, sorry to say, Rex, 0:01:34.480 --> 0:01:36.600 it did not get warmer, and in fact got a 0:01:36.600 --> 0:01:39.880 lot colder and you got downs with snow. Yeah, it 0:01:39.959 --> 0:01:44.319 was very interesting, like we're living in odd times or 0:01:44.640 --> 0:01:48.600 very unique times, I should say. We interviewed Phil Savage 0:01:48.600 --> 0:01:52.240 and he took the interview from his car, whereas opposed 0:01:52.280 --> 0:01:56.000 to you've been going to Mobile, Alabama for us the 0:01:56.040 --> 0:01:58.760 past couple of years. I know I started, I don't know, 0:01:58.840 --> 0:02:02.320 maybe a little bit after two thousand and ten, probably 0:02:02.360 --> 0:02:04.920 an eleven twelve range where we decided we were going 0:02:04.960 --> 0:02:07.400 to go down there, and it was a good opportunity 0:02:07.480 --> 0:02:10.200 to not only yeah, of course you want to speak 0:02:10.200 --> 0:02:13.040 to the prospects, but you want to speak to the 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:17.880 Jets contingent and really dive in on the scouting process 0:02:17.919 --> 0:02:20.959 because the calendar changes right right around the time of 0:02:21.000 --> 0:02:24.280 the Super Bowl and between the conference championship games and 0:02:24.400 --> 0:02:27.880 the Super Bowl. You have the Senior Bowl every year, 0:02:27.919 --> 0:02:31.200 and what was different this year is each NFL team 0:02:31.240 --> 0:02:35.919 was only allowed to bring ten representatives, and of course 0:02:36.040 --> 0:02:38.560 we weren't down there with our cameras and we weren't 0:02:38.560 --> 0:02:43.120 interviewing people, but we took advantage of the virtual space again, Uh, 0:02:43.280 --> 0:02:49.239 catching up with Phil Savage, Rex Hogan, John carr Um 0:02:49.480 --> 0:02:52.120 and those guys were tremendous with their time. But like 0:02:52.240 --> 0:02:58.080 you said, UH, very interesting because in the past you'd 0:02:58.080 --> 0:03:01.920 always find out about in four normal interviews what teams 0:03:01.960 --> 0:03:04.560 were talking to prospects and you would see it out 0:03:04.600 --> 0:03:07.800 in front of you. Now everything was formal where I 0:03:07.880 --> 0:03:11.639 believe the Jets in every NFL team, and an opportunity 0:03:11.680 --> 0:03:14.800 to speak to a hundred thirty two prospects, you know, 0:03:14.880 --> 0:03:17.600 at least a hundred and thirty up to a hundred 0:03:17.720 --> 0:03:20.960 forty prospects, but it was in a formal setting. And 0:03:21.840 --> 0:03:26.880 in between plexis plexiglass. You had four Jets representatives on 0:03:26.880 --> 0:03:31.440 one side, four on the other, and two prospects simultaneously. 0:03:31.680 --> 0:03:35.800 Then we're taking place at the same time. The layout 0:03:35.880 --> 0:03:38.400 of the interview space is crazy to me. And what's 0:03:38.440 --> 0:03:42.240 even crazier is that this could be. I think it 0:03:42.320 --> 0:03:46.120 might be the only time that NFL teams will be 0:03:46.120 --> 0:03:50.320 able to interview prospects face to face, because if you 0:03:50.320 --> 0:03:53.880 think about the combine, those rules have changed. Those interviews 0:03:53.880 --> 0:03:57.880 will be virtual. Typically the combine is like speed dating, 0:03:58.000 --> 0:04:00.160 like for the course for the course of the week, 0:04:00.200 --> 0:04:02.640 where you're you're ripping in, players are coming in, you 0:04:02.640 --> 0:04:04.520 throw them on the board, you have you have a plan. 0:04:05.000 --> 0:04:07.040 Now this is all gonna be virtual. But I think 0:04:07.080 --> 0:04:11.440 the benefit in all this maybe not the benefit, but 0:04:11.520 --> 0:04:15.480 the positive news is that each NFL team has experienced 0:04:15.520 --> 0:04:18.800 doing this because of last season. Obviously there was a 0:04:18.880 --> 0:04:22.160 combine last year and then things turned virtual. But at 0:04:22.200 --> 0:04:26.040 least now you can game plan for a virtual process 0:04:26.080 --> 0:04:31.200 and the only other in person exposure, it seems, will 0:04:31.279 --> 0:04:34.520 be pro days for the prospects. Yeah, well it really 0:04:34.600 --> 0:04:39.200 changed was going back to the fall. You'd have scouts 0:04:39.279 --> 0:04:42.080 on the road, and the typical of fall, you would 0:04:42.120 --> 0:04:46.599 have scouts who leave their houses on maybe a Sunday 0:04:46.720 --> 0:04:50.599 night and and and then they go to various colleges 0:04:50.680 --> 0:04:55.200 and who whatever region they covered until maybe a Thursday, 0:04:55.279 --> 0:04:58.760 and then sometimes they'd stay for a game and go 0:04:58.880 --> 0:05:01.000 to a game on the week and well, there was 0:05:01.040 --> 0:05:04.240 no on site visits at the colleges and the universities 0:05:04.279 --> 0:05:09.000 this year. The scouts got an opportunity to see some games, 0:05:09.040 --> 0:05:12.640 but as far as actually being in attendance for games, 0:05:12.680 --> 0:05:16.800 that was down. But on site visits during the week 0:05:17.240 --> 0:05:20.120 there was none of that this year, and that was 0:05:20.160 --> 0:05:22.719 an advantage I think of the Senior Bowl is that 0:05:23.160 --> 0:05:26.559 the guys had an opportunity to watch practice in front 0:05:26.560 --> 0:05:31.240 of them. Miami Dolphins and the Carolina Panthers staff handled that. 0:05:31.320 --> 0:05:35.000 The coaching chores Donomobile Alabama this week, but then they 0:05:35.040 --> 0:05:39.080 had an opportunity to actually sit down with the young 0:05:39.160 --> 0:05:44.279 prospect and look in their rise and talk to them 0:05:44.320 --> 0:05:48.680 about different things and then about systems, about skill sets, 0:05:48.760 --> 0:05:52.840 about various maybe red flags that they've seen on reports 0:05:52.880 --> 0:05:55.360 and stuff like that. So it's always different, and you 0:05:55.839 --> 0:05:58.960 get that chance to talk to somebody in person, and 0:05:59.000 --> 0:06:02.000 then you're all together too. If you really think about it, 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:04.560 when's the last time the Jet scouting staff was together. Well, 0:06:04.600 --> 0:06:06.920 at least he had eight eight to ten guys down 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:11.520 their Jets representatives who UH took in practice together, didn't 0:06:11.640 --> 0:06:15.160 interviews and then probably hit and UH that chance to 0:06:15.240 --> 0:06:19.440 catch up as well. I'm sure that this was Phil 0:06:19.480 --> 0:06:21.640 Savage said this in your interview. He said that this 0:06:21.720 --> 0:06:28.760 was the most prospects that he's interviewed in his course 0:06:28.839 --> 0:06:32.120 of being with the Jets, at the Senior Bowl, being 0:06:32.160 --> 0:06:33.960 with any team, and then of course he was the 0:06:34.080 --> 0:06:36.880 executive director of the Senior Bowl. And what he said 0:06:36.920 --> 0:06:41.440 I found very fascinating that teams typically had about like 0:06:41.520 --> 0:06:43.720 fifteen to twenty guys that they in a typical year 0:06:43.760 --> 0:06:45.200 would be like, you know what, I don't need to 0:06:45.200 --> 0:06:47.800 interview them, They're not really on our radar. But because 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:50.440 this could be the first and the only exposure in person, 0:06:50.880 --> 0:06:53.400 at least in an interview setting to the players, they say, 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:56.239 you know what, let bring them on down. Let's interview 0:06:56.320 --> 0:06:58.640 them all, just so we have a little something on 0:06:58.760 --> 0:07:01.880 each individual player, because this could be the first and 0:07:01.880 --> 0:07:05.720 the only time for certain scouts to evaluate players in 0:07:05.760 --> 0:07:09.400 person throughout the course of the college football season and 0:07:09.480 --> 0:07:12.480 the pre draft process. Which is crazy. What is the 0:07:12.560 --> 0:07:15.200 last practices in the last game of the college season. 0:07:15.240 --> 0:07:19.480 The college season is now officially it has its period, 0:07:19.920 --> 0:07:22.200 and the next up for these guys is going to 0:07:22.240 --> 0:07:24.840 be pro days, because like you just mentioned, no combine 0:07:24.840 --> 0:07:27.560 and for us from a contact perspective, everything has been 0:07:27.600 --> 0:07:31.920 so different. Um. You know, like I mentioned before, I 0:07:31.960 --> 0:07:36.360 want you to paint the scene of what the primary 0:07:36.360 --> 0:07:42.400 hotel in Alabama, Mobile, Alabama looks like a Senior Bowl week. Yeah, 0:07:42.440 --> 0:07:45.800 it is the who's who of the NFL. You walk 0:07:45.880 --> 0:07:49.840 into the Renaissance Hotel. There's an escalator directly to your 0:07:49.960 --> 0:07:52.400 left when you walk in, and then you go up. 0:07:52.560 --> 0:07:54.679 As you go up the escalator, you start to see 0:07:54.720 --> 0:07:58.600 what looks to be like a just like a meeting, 0:07:58.680 --> 0:08:03.960 like a huge meeting, And there's players, agents, media just 0:08:04.040 --> 0:08:06.880 walking around. You have your check in desk if you're 0:08:07.040 --> 0:08:08.560 if you want to get your credential or if you 0:08:08.600 --> 0:08:14.600 want to get your Reese the Senior Bowl notepad. And um, 0:08:14.640 --> 0:08:18.920 I would guess probably somewhere between two to three hundred 0:08:18.920 --> 0:08:22.280 people at any given point are on that floor just 0:08:22.360 --> 0:08:26.440 conversing and you know, maybe maybe sharing rumors, sharing gossip, 0:08:26.560 --> 0:08:29.200 or trying to get to know each other, putting, planting 0:08:29.200 --> 0:08:31.720 the seed for different teams in their ears. I mean, 0:08:31.760 --> 0:08:35.160 it is really a fascinating site to see all the 0:08:35.200 --> 0:08:42.000 different aspects of football congregate and operate. Yeah, and these 0:08:42.000 --> 0:08:44.520 guys this year we're talking to Rex, Phil and John 0:08:44.559 --> 0:08:48.120 about this. They were tested every day, so talk about 0:08:48.120 --> 0:08:51.400 a changing dynamic. You get a COVID test in the morning, 0:08:51.880 --> 0:08:54.360 you're wearing the masks and stuff like that. So there's 0:08:54.440 --> 0:08:58.920 no oh two d people around each other on the 0:08:58.960 --> 0:09:02.080 floor anymore. It's that interview process. I think what they 0:09:02.120 --> 0:09:06.600 said in between around six at night and eleven thirty, 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:09.920 where they would talk to those prospects and you would 0:09:09.920 --> 0:09:13.000 have the dual interview was going on at the same time. Um. 0:09:13.040 --> 0:09:17.480 But yeah, for us, this has totally changed because I 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:19.000 don't know how many years in a row I've been 0:09:19.000 --> 0:09:21.800 going to the combine. While that certainly is changing this 0:09:21.920 --> 0:09:24.800 year and you know it. It just even in your 0:09:24.840 --> 0:09:28.640 time here, Ethan, it's changed so much. The media presence. 0:09:28.679 --> 0:09:31.480 I mean, there are thousands of people who are typically 0:09:31.520 --> 0:09:36.840 credential for the Indianapolis Combine and now that will no 0:09:36.920 --> 0:09:39.800 longer be. I guess n c A tournaments taking taking 0:09:39.840 --> 0:09:42.960 place in Indianapolis this year, but I think, uh, the 0:09:43.080 --> 0:09:46.280 NFL is going to have various sites where you still 0:09:46.320 --> 0:09:50.080 can do the medical testing. Um, but the Combine as 0:09:50.120 --> 0:09:53.840 we know it for two thoe no longer. All right, Well, 0:09:53.920 --> 0:09:57.240 let's hear from Rex Hogan, Phil Savage, and John Carr 0:09:57.280 --> 0:09:59.600 about the Reese's Senior Bowl and what lives have had 0:09:59.600 --> 0:10:02.920 for this scouting department. Rex. Just how different has the 0:10:02.960 --> 0:10:09.280 scouting process been this year? UM? From the combines, not 0:10:09.360 --> 0:10:11.880 even from the combined perspective or the Senior Bowl, but 0:10:12.480 --> 0:10:14.480 just moving through the whole aspect of the of the 0:10:14.520 --> 0:10:18.120 fall has been you know, significant challenge for all of us. 0:10:18.320 --> 0:10:22.200 UM without having access to the campus has been you know, 0:10:22.240 --> 0:10:25.079 some of the games are not able to attend. UM. 0:10:25.120 --> 0:10:26.960 You know, our scouts haven't been able to get on 0:10:27.000 --> 0:10:29.200 campuses and get in front of the coaching staffs and 0:10:29.240 --> 0:10:32.679 support staff. So it's been a huge huge change for us. 0:10:33.000 --> 0:10:34.520 But our guys have done a really good job in 0:10:34.600 --> 0:10:37.520 terms of adapting to that. A lot of virtual calls 0:10:37.600 --> 0:10:41.000 for all of us that we have availability and each 0:10:41.000 --> 0:10:44.640 one of the schools and colleges and programs, so you 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:47.199 know that that's been an opportunity for us to to 0:10:47.360 --> 0:10:51.640 really get more in depth information that way. UM, but 0:10:52.000 --> 0:10:54.200 you know we're definitely missing out and not being able 0:10:54.240 --> 0:10:56.760 to be on campus and seeing practices and getting that 0:10:56.840 --> 0:10:59.720 much exposure compared to just what the games are. Yeah, 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:03.320 that's that is typically all over the country throughout the year. 0:11:03.800 --> 0:11:08.160 How many of those visits were eliminated and how many 0:11:08.240 --> 0:11:12.120 games would you estimate that these guys were actually able 0:11:12.120 --> 0:11:16.800 to go out to and be there on site? Man, 0:11:17.600 --> 0:11:19.360 I can't give you the exact number off the top 0:11:19.360 --> 0:11:21.679 of my head, e A. But I know it's significantly 0:11:21.760 --> 0:11:23.840 less than than what we've done in the past. Just 0:11:23.880 --> 0:11:27.280 because of the travel aspect, guys weren't is able to 0:11:27.280 --> 0:11:30.120 get on many flights and make the trip or make 0:11:30.120 --> 0:11:32.080 the commute to be able to go see the games. 0:11:32.280 --> 0:11:34.120 So you know, there was nothing in the week to 0:11:34.160 --> 0:11:36.280 really set it up where they could go to make 0:11:36.320 --> 0:11:37.920 a couple of school of visits and then go to 0:11:38.040 --> 0:11:41.720 see a game. So significant reduction in terms of that 0:11:41.800 --> 0:11:44.640 and exposure. And I know I'll probably use that word frequently, 0:11:44.679 --> 0:11:47.720 but there's you know, we've had a lot of reduced 0:11:47.760 --> 0:11:50.840 number of exposure to two players in terms of the 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:54.200 practices and games, and then face to face interaction with 0:11:54.240 --> 0:11:57.719 coaching staffs. You have a close knit staff there at 0:11:57.760 --> 0:12:00.720 the Jets. How have the guys responded to all these 0:12:00.800 --> 0:12:05.439 changes in terms of the preparation leading up to what 0:12:05.520 --> 0:12:09.400 could be the second virtual draft in NFL history. Yeah, 0:12:09.400 --> 0:12:11.600 they've they've been great. And we always talk about adapting, 0:12:11.640 --> 0:12:14.000 adjusting and improvising on the move. That's what we have 0:12:14.080 --> 0:12:17.400 to do in scouting and player personnel in general. You know, 0:12:17.480 --> 0:12:19.959 thinks things happen, we have to adjust to that and 0:12:20.360 --> 0:12:22.600 make the best of the situation. And you know, our 0:12:22.600 --> 0:12:25.679 college scouts have done done a tremendous job with that 0:12:25.880 --> 0:12:29.560 and just being flexible and giving us, you know, the 0:12:29.600 --> 0:12:32.200 options to be able to make different or try to 0:12:32.200 --> 0:12:34.720 find different you know, routes, to be able to communicate 0:12:34.760 --> 0:12:38.160 with with coaches or people on on the staff on 0:12:38.200 --> 0:12:43.480 the staffs around the country. So, yeah, it's been it's 0:12:43.520 --> 0:12:45.960 been good. Guys are great with that. The pro guys 0:12:46.000 --> 0:12:47.640 that have done a really good job in terms of 0:12:47.640 --> 0:12:50.960 being able to do advances um without you know a 0:12:51.000 --> 0:12:54.040 lot of exposure other than the tape from what they've seen. 0:12:54.280 --> 0:12:57.679 So all right, you might rex listen, you've been going 0:12:57.720 --> 0:13:01.280 to a lot of senior balls. How different was this 0:13:01.400 --> 0:13:07.360 week compared to what you would previously previously experienced? The 0:13:07.360 --> 0:13:09.920 biggest change of all of them, this is number eighteen 0:13:09.960 --> 0:13:12.600 for me, and this is the most unique because of 0:13:13.320 --> 0:13:17.160 there's no opportunity to have informal interviews with players, So 0:13:17.679 --> 0:13:20.880 there's been minimal time we have the formal interviews or 0:13:20.880 --> 0:13:23.480 a whole new different you know, set up in system 0:13:23.520 --> 0:13:27.679 and how things have been done previously. So though you know, 0:13:27.920 --> 0:13:30.200 the lack of face to face interaction with these guys 0:13:30.200 --> 0:13:32.760 and the ability to to talk to him and get 0:13:32.760 --> 0:13:37.000 to know him better has has been significantly reduced. Again, 0:13:37.200 --> 0:13:40.520 so um, we're adapting with it. We're just doing what 0:13:40.559 --> 0:13:43.320 we can in terms of the format of the week. 0:13:43.440 --> 0:13:45.400 But you know, senior ROWL staff has done a great 0:13:45.480 --> 0:13:49.320 job of having everything logistically set up for us, um 0:13:49.320 --> 0:13:53.800 from from getting no swabs and COVID tested early in 0:13:53.840 --> 0:13:57.280 the morning here and just for the whole operation because 0:13:57.400 --> 0:14:02.760 anybody who's attended the game, yeah to attendant practices from 0:14:02.760 --> 0:14:05.480 the NFL has to get tested. So it's a huge 0:14:05.559 --> 0:14:09.320 ordeal and process. But you know, just the reduction in 0:14:09.320 --> 0:14:12.040 the in the number of informal interviews that you can 0:14:12.080 --> 0:14:16.720 have has been significant. But every night we we go 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:20.240 and we interview from six five until eleven thirty, and 0:14:20.280 --> 0:14:22.440 you'll get two players at the same time. You get 0:14:22.440 --> 0:14:26.240 thirty two guys throughout each night. Then you get coverage 0:14:26.320 --> 0:14:28.440 or of every guy he gets at least fifteen minutes 0:14:28.480 --> 0:14:32.440 face to face with them. So if you're interviewing thirty 0:14:32.440 --> 0:14:36.000 two guys each night, how many are you able to 0:14:36.320 --> 0:14:40.320 actually talk to throughout this week? And let me ask 0:14:40.320 --> 0:14:44.800 you too, well, what is that setting like, because we've 0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:48.560 heard your interview and guys actually through plexi glass plexiglass. Yeah, 0:14:48.600 --> 0:14:52.320 it's exactly right, so you know they're there's thirty two 0:14:52.360 --> 0:14:54.720 like I said, and you get two guys at each time. 0:14:54.840 --> 0:14:58.720 So it's a forty ft area. That's two tables are 0:14:58.720 --> 0:15:01.640 spread out. There's two eight at tables with a three 0:15:01.640 --> 0:15:04.880 ft tall plexiglass that divides the table, so there there's 0:15:04.920 --> 0:15:08.320 four of us on on each side spread out, and 0:15:08.360 --> 0:15:12.320 then twenty ft away is another table that both these 0:15:12.320 --> 0:15:15.920 guys these interviews are going simultaneously. So our group is 0:15:15.960 --> 0:15:19.000 split up four and four to interview each each one 0:15:19.000 --> 0:15:22.920 of the prospects simultaneously. So that that's unique because you've 0:15:22.920 --> 0:15:25.720 got some guys who who speak very loudly and some 0:15:25.760 --> 0:15:28.760 guys who are extremely quiet. So I had to stand 0:15:28.840 --> 0:15:31.800 up and talk over the plexiglass a few times just 0:15:31.840 --> 0:15:34.440 to be able to hear guys, and had the challenges 0:15:34.480 --> 0:15:36.400 of having to wear the masks while it's going on, 0:15:36.480 --> 0:15:38.440 and it can be a little frustrated to because you 0:15:38.440 --> 0:15:40.920 can't hear guys and or can't even read lips and 0:15:40.960 --> 0:15:45.440 responses to impact you, guys, with some players opting out 0:15:45.440 --> 0:15:49.400 of the season and some teams unfortunately having your schedule 0:15:49.480 --> 0:15:53.240 greatly reduced because of well, I think for the players 0:15:53.280 --> 0:15:56.680 that opted out, you know, during before the season or 0:15:56.720 --> 0:15:59.880 even during the season. You know, we we had graded 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:03.480 them last summer ahead of the season anyway, for our 0:16:03.520 --> 0:16:07.600 spring grades, and so we had information on virtually every 0:16:07.640 --> 0:16:10.720 player that did opt out. For some of the opt 0:16:10.760 --> 0:16:13.640 outs to show up here in mobile and and practice. 0:16:13.640 --> 0:16:17.320 You know, we interviewed one young man whose entire season 0:16:17.480 --> 0:16:20.400 was canceled. He opted out and decided not to go 0:16:20.480 --> 0:16:23.760 back for one. But this event was the first time 0:16:23.800 --> 0:16:29.120 he's had on full pads in thirteen months. So you know, 0:16:29.200 --> 0:16:32.000 you've got a temper a little bit what you see here, 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:35.120 because these guys are just kind of working themselves back 0:16:35.120 --> 0:16:38.320 into football mode. And it's been a challenge for some 0:16:38.400 --> 0:16:40.640 of these players who did not play at all of 0:16:40.680 --> 0:16:43.200 this season, whether they opted out or their school canceled 0:16:43.240 --> 0:16:45.560 their season or what have you. So that is a 0:16:46.160 --> 0:16:48.760 little bit of of something from a from a scout 0:16:48.840 --> 0:16:51.240 side that you've got to manage in terms of your 0:16:51.280 --> 0:16:55.200 expectations for a Tuesday practice when a when a player 0:16:55.240 --> 0:16:57.080 hadn't even been on the field, and over a year 0:16:57.480 --> 0:17:00.200 you you've really got to take that into account. This 0:17:00.240 --> 0:17:02.640 week is complete. What are the next steps in the 0:17:02.680 --> 0:17:08.199 college scouting process, because typically we'd be targeting the combine. 0:17:08.480 --> 0:17:12.399 Now it seems like the focus is going to shift 0:17:12.440 --> 0:17:16.280 the produce. Yeah, I think Eric really in the in 0:17:16.320 --> 0:17:18.960 the immediacy after the Senior Bowl, of course, we'll go 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:21.520 back and watch all the take from these practices and 0:17:21.560 --> 0:17:24.439 filling the blanks of things that you couldn't see live. 0:17:25.119 --> 0:17:28.760 And then of course, the the junior list is now available. 0:17:28.760 --> 0:17:30.920 We know who all the juniors are that are entering 0:17:30.920 --> 0:17:34.280 the draft, so that'll be uh some catch up on 0:17:34.560 --> 0:17:37.600 juniors that declared that maybe we didn't expect or don't 0:17:37.640 --> 0:17:40.080 have a grade on yet. So we'll be doing that 0:17:40.119 --> 0:17:41.840 here over the next few weeks. And then of course 0:17:41.920 --> 0:17:45.000 we have our first major round of meetings in the 0:17:45.040 --> 0:17:48.280 month of February ahead of what will be a you know, 0:17:48.359 --> 0:17:52.679 a compromised combine in terms of evaluations. The on the 0:17:52.720 --> 0:17:56.360 field testing and all there will be medicals of some kind, 0:17:56.400 --> 0:17:59.000 which is always the most important aspect of the combine. 0:17:59.400 --> 0:18:02.359 And then really after that, I would say probably from March, 0:18:02.480 --> 0:18:07.040 for March one going forward, everyone will be building out 0:18:07.080 --> 0:18:10.040 the schedules for these pro days, and you know, we 0:18:10.080 --> 0:18:12.520 don't know yet if there's going to be some limitations 0:18:12.560 --> 0:18:14.760 in terms of which pro days we can go to. 0:18:15.560 --> 0:18:19.320 Uh you know, how many NFL people can attend those 0:18:19.359 --> 0:18:22.680 pro days, So that's gonna be another work in progress 0:18:22.680 --> 0:18:25.480 over the month of March, and of course for for 0:18:25.600 --> 0:18:29.760 Joe Douglas and our coaching staff, trying to integrate them into, 0:18:30.160 --> 0:18:32.680 uh some of the college evaluations so that we can 0:18:32.720 --> 0:18:36.760 merge those two tracks between scouting and coaching by the 0:18:36.800 --> 0:18:40.000 time we really get to early April ahead of the draft. 0:18:40.119 --> 0:18:42.399 So there's a lot of work to be done. I 0:18:42.440 --> 0:18:44.800 think that our guys and our staff have done a 0:18:44.800 --> 0:18:48.959 ton of work. I know it's been totally different working 0:18:49.040 --> 0:18:52.840 from home in many many respects, but at the same time, 0:18:53.160 --> 0:18:56.359 the volume of work has still been relatively the same 0:18:56.800 --> 0:18:59.199 because we've all continued to watch the tapes and do 0:18:59.240 --> 0:19:01.359 the zoom call and those sorts of things. We just 0:19:01.359 --> 0:19:03.400 haven't been able to do them on campus. What does 0:19:03.440 --> 0:19:05.560 it mean to you, Phil and the rest of the 0:19:05.600 --> 0:19:10.160 scouts when you see the coaching staff changes. Robert Sala 0:19:10.359 --> 0:19:13.840 taken over a new offensive coordinator, Mike la Fleur. He's 0:19:13.840 --> 0:19:18.080 gonna implement a new system. Solis talked about uh handling 0:19:18.800 --> 0:19:22.440 uh handing the defense over to Jeff Albright, but uh 0:19:22.720 --> 0:19:26.320 more traditional four three fronts. So can you talk about 0:19:26.359 --> 0:19:29.000 the system changes that are on the horizon for this 0:19:29.040 --> 0:19:32.159 team and how it impacts the Scouty's death. Yeah, I 0:19:32.200 --> 0:19:34.560 would say that that all of us over the next 0:19:34.560 --> 0:19:38.359 few weeks ahead of those first meetings in the middle 0:19:38.359 --> 0:19:41.359 of February, we'll have to go back and maybe tweak 0:19:41.480 --> 0:19:46.000 some of our evaluations from the fall. Now, because of 0:19:46.080 --> 0:19:48.520 the experience I've had and and being part of a 0:19:48.600 --> 0:19:52.520 three four team and a four three team, I've typically 0:19:52.720 --> 0:19:55.480 on the defensive side of things, tried to kind of 0:19:55.520 --> 0:19:59.960 talk about a player fitting either or system because, unfortunately 0:20:00.040 --> 0:20:03.520 the NFL, there are enough coaching changes that you know, 0:20:03.640 --> 0:20:07.600 this happens unfortunately on a regular basis. So I think 0:20:07.640 --> 0:20:11.639 you have to scout each individual defensive player for both 0:20:11.960 --> 0:20:15.040 schemes and in many ways, whether you start in a 0:20:15.119 --> 0:20:18.960 three four or a four three. Ultimately everybody ends up 0:20:19.040 --> 0:20:21.560 in a in a four man front with two linebackers 0:20:21.560 --> 0:20:24.880 and five defensive backs, so that won't be as much 0:20:24.880 --> 0:20:28.960 of a change. I do think, though, that the definition 0:20:29.200 --> 0:20:32.280 of what Robert Sali and Jeff Albrick will bring to 0:20:32.320 --> 0:20:35.800 the table from a defensive standpoint will really help our 0:20:35.840 --> 0:20:39.879 scouting staff. I've always felt like it was an easier 0:20:40.000 --> 0:20:44.800 projection to make from college to pro when you are 0:20:44.880 --> 0:20:48.040 running a four three, because most of the schools in 0:20:48.080 --> 0:20:51.800 college run four man fronts. They have a couple of 0:20:51.800 --> 0:20:55.200 off the line linebackers, and they have five defensive backs 0:20:55.200 --> 0:20:58.399 on the field. Because the college game is a spread game, 0:20:58.880 --> 0:21:01.960 that's the style of dfense that's being played, and so 0:21:02.080 --> 0:21:06.360 I think the transition is just a little bit. It's 0:21:06.400 --> 0:21:09.320 not as much of a guess as it is in 0:21:09.359 --> 0:21:11.280 the three four and the three four you almost have 0:21:11.320 --> 0:21:14.040 to project every single player. He is he a nose? 0:21:14.680 --> 0:21:17.160 Is he a defensive end? Is he an outside backer? 0:21:17.640 --> 0:21:20.640 Is an off the line linebacker? Uh, it can get 0:21:20.800 --> 0:21:24.520 more complicated. I think I'm not gonna say it simplifies, 0:21:24.600 --> 0:21:26.600 but I think it gives us more of a clear 0:21:26.800 --> 0:21:30.600 vision of what we really need in this four three defense. 0:21:30.640 --> 0:21:33.720 So I'm I'm really looking forward to it. I think 0:21:33.720 --> 0:21:38.159 our scouts are gonna thrive and having some specific definitions 0:21:38.200 --> 0:21:40.919 in terms of what they're really looking for, uh in 0:21:40.960 --> 0:21:42.840 players on the defensive side of the ball. And then 0:21:43.119 --> 0:21:46.399 you know, offensively, last year we had made somewhat of 0:21:46.440 --> 0:21:49.479 a shift to the wide zone run game, so I 0:21:49.520 --> 0:21:52.800 think everybody is comfortable with that, and then you know 0:21:52.840 --> 0:21:56.399 that the next step is, you know, running backs, wide receivers, 0:21:56.480 --> 0:21:59.760 what's the what's the flavor that this coaching staff is 0:21:59.800 --> 0:22:03.919 look and for because as we know, successful runners, successful 0:22:04.000 --> 0:22:07.639 receivers come in all shapes and sizes, sizes, it's just 0:22:07.680 --> 0:22:11.160 a matter of you like chocolate, vanilla, strawberry, what's your flavor? 0:22:11.520 --> 0:22:13.440 And that's really what we're gonna have to figure out 0:22:13.480 --> 0:22:15.960 here over these next couple of months. You go into 0:22:16.280 --> 0:22:18.680 the two thousand twenty one season. Yeah, it was very 0:22:18.720 --> 0:22:21.000 tough for the scouts not being able to come to 0:22:21.600 --> 0:22:24.600 Flooring Park for training camp. That's extremely hard because a 0:22:24.680 --> 0:22:27.640 lot of guys their used to structure in their life 0:22:27.640 --> 0:22:29.159 and being able to set a schedule and now you 0:22:29.240 --> 0:22:31.280 have to change that. Where we couldn't see our team 0:22:31.320 --> 0:22:35.040 in person. And then when you know, the college decided that, 0:22:35.720 --> 0:22:37.840 you know, when the NFL n C double A decide 0:22:37.880 --> 0:22:40.399 that we cannot take visits on the school, you know, 0:22:40.400 --> 0:22:42.760