Speaker 1: On the Bechdel Cast.
Speaker 2: The questions asked if movies have.
Speaker 3: Women and them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands,
Speaker 3: or do they have individualism? It's the patriarchy, zeph and
Speaker 3: best start changing it with the Bechdel Cast.
Speaker 1: Oi, it's the Roy Lane episode, isn't it.
Speaker 4: I don't want to participate in this.
Speaker 5: I think that this is quite frankly disrespectful and I'll
Speaker 5: say it problematic, leaving me out to when I just
Speaker 5: want to apologize to the British community for what has
Speaker 5: taken place.
Speaker 4: On this show today.
Speaker 6: And then the episode just ends hard cutout. No, I
Speaker 6: thought it was funny, grow up Britz thinks. Welcome to
Speaker 6: the Bechdel Cast. My name is Jamie Loftus.
Speaker 1: My name is Caitlin Derntae. This is our podcast where
Speaker 1: we examine movies through an intersectional feminist lens, using the
Speaker 1: Bechdel test simply as a jumping off point. What's the
Speaker 1: though in it?
Speaker 4: Well, here's what it in it.
Speaker 6: It is a media metric created by queer cartoonist Alison
Speaker 6: Bechtel back in I Believe the eighties for her famous
Speaker 6: comic collection Digs to Watch Out For, often called the
Speaker 6: Bechdel Wallace Test because it was co created with her
Speaker 6: friend Liz Wallace.
Speaker 4: That makes sense.
Speaker 6: It was originally intended as a way of talking about
Speaker 6: how little queer representation of queer women there was in movies,
Speaker 6: but has since evolved to be compheaded to death. The
Speaker 6: version that we use of this test requires that there
Speaker 6: be two characters with names of a marginalized gender who
Speaker 6: speak to each other about something other than a man
Speaker 6: for two lines of dialogue or more. Should be a
Speaker 6: meaningful interaction, not super worried. Today, we don't need to
Speaker 6: get into it much further because today we don't just
Speaker 6: have a wonderful movie to discuss. We have an incredible
Speaker 6: returning guest.
Speaker 4: Let's get to it.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, she's a culture writer. You've seen her
Speaker 1: work in Architectural Digest Vogue as well as her substeck
Speaker 1: Hi Shelley, and you remember her from such episodes as
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, what's that Detroit Buffalo?
Speaker 4: Buffaloed Buffalo? Do you say Detroited?
Speaker 1: I almost said Detroitters?
Speaker 4: Detroitters?
Speaker 2: Oh great, the show that I still refuse to watch. Okay, well,
Speaker 2: look I guess I'll watch it. I've never seen it
Speaker 2: and think it's funny to watch it.
Speaker 1: I guess I'll start anyway. It's Shelley Nicole. Welcome back,
Speaker 1: welcome back, welcome back.
Speaker 2: Hi, how are you?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 4: You know, thanks for being here. Always a pleasure.
Speaker 2: Thank you. I love the accent slipping out. Honestly, I
Speaker 2: love it.
Speaker 4: And we are talking about Rye Lane today. I'm so
Speaker 4: excited you you introduced me to this movie. So did
Speaker 4: I really? Yes?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's my favorite thing.
Speaker 1: It's so good.
Speaker 2: I will not start talking about it straight away. I'll
Speaker 2: let you finish your statement.
Speaker 4: No, No, it's just it's it's so good.
Speaker 6: And I know that all of our histories will be
Speaker 6: relatively short because this movie came out very recently. It
Speaker 6: came out in twenty twenty three, directed by Rain Allen Miller,
Speaker 6: written by Nathan Brian and Tom.
Speaker 4: Malia and Shelly. What's your history with this movie? How'd
Speaker 4: you come across it?
Speaker 2: Okay, here's the thing. So it was my You know
Speaker 2: in movies where they're like they're about to start saying
Speaker 2: a memory and then that the screen gets hazy, that's
Speaker 2: what's happening now, So in a hazy moment. It was
Speaker 2: my first ever Sundance, and this was God, I think
Speaker 2: Sundance that will be Sundance twenty twenty three, because I
Speaker 2: went to twenty twenty four and I did not go
Speaker 2: this year. Yeah, So it was twenty twenty three and
Speaker 2: it was my first ever Sundance and I had asked
Speaker 2: somebody who really loves film. Of course I knew about Sundance,
Speaker 2: but I never dreamed that I I don't know, I
Speaker 2: just never dreamed that i'd be there. Right like then
Speaker 2: I got invited. I got into this like one program
Speaker 2: where they invite like marginalized critics and they put you
Speaker 2: up and all this kind of stuff, and I had
Speaker 2: free reign to see any movies that I wanted to.
Speaker 2: It was great, you know, like the film programs and
Speaker 2: all that stuff. But I made it a point not
Speaker 2: to read too much into what the movies are about.
Speaker 2: But I focused on the pictures and I wanted to
Speaker 2: see as much black shit as I possibly could. So
Speaker 2: I did not know about ry Lane. I did not
Speaker 2: know all the history of it, which will like get
Speaker 2: into with the cast and crew and all that kind
Speaker 2: of stuff. I just saw two black people and I
Speaker 2: saw that they were like smiling, right, and they weren't
Speaker 2: like sad Or in Slavery period close, and I was like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, that feels like I should go. And
Speaker 2: I went to go see it. It was like my
Speaker 2: last film of that day, which was like my second
Speaker 2: or third day, and I saw it in saw Lake
Speaker 2: Versus in Park City because it was just like full up,
Speaker 2: and immediately when it first started, I was like this,
Speaker 2: this movie is going to change my life. I sat
Speaker 2: smack center of it, and I was just like, this
Speaker 2: is great. I saw it it played through. I gave
Speaker 2: it like five million stars on letterbox immediately because I
Speaker 2: am the person that takes that letterbox. As the credits roll,
Speaker 2: I don't care, and I knew that I was going
Speaker 2: to write about it and make it like the star
Speaker 2: of my Sundance coverage. But then two days later, I
Speaker 2: was at Sudence for like seven days or eight days,
Speaker 2: and I had kind of seen everything I wanted to
Speaker 2: see by day five. So I saw this movie three
Speaker 2: more times, like god, and then they give you access
Speaker 2: to it like digitally, especially like if you're like writing
Speaker 2: about it and stuff like that, because they want you
Speaker 2: to be able to really write about it. Went home
Speaker 2: immediately after the first screening put it on while I
Speaker 2: was like eating terrible food and Salt Lake City terrible takeout,
Speaker 2: and was like watching.
Speaker 1: It in bed.
Speaker 2: And then it came out on Hulu and it didn't
Speaker 2: come out in theaters, like not by me anyway in Chicago.
Speaker 6: Yeah, which is why I think I missed it. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I have a lot to say about that, but yeah, continuous.
Speaker 2: It was straight to Hulu, which was a surprise to me.
Speaker 2: But I was also super happy about it because then
Speaker 2: I meant I got to watch it whenever the fuck
Speaker 2: I wanted came out on Hulu. Watched it immediately, and
Speaker 2: then I reached out to search like Pictures who is
Speaker 2: the distributor, And I was like, Hi, I would love
Speaker 2: for you to give me money to show this to
Speaker 2: a bunch of black people in Chicago. And they did
Speaker 2: the like they gave me, and they gave me like
Speaker 2: they connected me with like a local person here, because
Speaker 2: you know, when you go to screenings and stuff like that,
Speaker 2: like there's usually a representative in the city, and Chicago
Speaker 2: is a pretty big movie city. So I'm lucky enough
Speaker 2: reached out and I was like, I think I reached
Speaker 2: I sent like four emails before I heard back and
Speaker 2: then they think they were like okay, and they gave
Speaker 2: me a bunch of money and I put together a
Speaker 2: private screening for thirty I think black folks here in Chicago,
Speaker 2: and I turned this one person's place called lit Bilex
Speaker 2: to Candle Place into a living room because I wanted
Speaker 2: it to be like when you just kick back with
Speaker 2: your friends and you watch movie in the living room.
Speaker 2: And I had like couches and all this stuff put
Speaker 2: on this screening. It was really awesome. I specifically picked
Speaker 2: the place that had windows that was on the street
Speaker 2: so that when you walked by, people could see it
Speaker 2: because I wanted people to take pictures and like, what's
Speaker 2: this movie? Posted about it on Twitter, which I don't
Speaker 2: have Twitter anymore, but I still have these posts, and
Speaker 2: the writers were fucking with it. They were like, this
Speaker 2: is so cool. They like responded, it was really cool.
Speaker 2: This movie just means like a lot to me. I
Speaker 2: promised myself that I wouldn't overtalk this time. That's not
Speaker 2: gonna happens funk away.
Speaker 4: That's a story. That's amazing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love this movie so much. I love this movie.
Speaker 2: I love this movie. I love this movie.
Speaker 4: Oh that makes me so happy, Jamie, what about you?
Speaker 6: That is incredible? I nothing even remotely close. I wish
Speaker 6: I didn't know about this movie. I think that I
Speaker 6: was gonna say, I was like, whoa, I really haven't
Speaker 6: missed a lot of like movies in theaters that I've
Speaker 6: been excited about in the last couple of years. I'm
Speaker 6: surprised that I missed this, and it's because it wasn't
Speaker 6: really theatrically in the US, and I think that, you know,
Speaker 6: it is kind of a stigma everywhere, but it often
Speaker 6: ends up being true that straight to streamer movies are
Speaker 6: like I don't rush to watch them as much unless
Speaker 6: it's a lazy, sebt Christmas movie, and then I run
Speaker 6: and I don't want.
Speaker 4: I feel like we're conditioned.
Speaker 6: While it is in no way always true, but to
Speaker 6: see them more as TV movies and not things to
Speaker 6: like rush to see, which I think is a real
Speaker 6: shame and crime in the case of this Boofy, because
Speaker 6: I would have. I'm so jealous you got to see
Speaker 6: it in theaters because it is just so enveloping but
Speaker 6: also rewatchable, and the second you see you're like, oh,
Speaker 6: this is gonna be a comfort movie. For a really
Speaker 6: long time. It's just like I really really really loved it,
Speaker 6: and I am mad that it wasn't released theatrically because
Speaker 6: I feel like this is the kind of thing that
Speaker 6: if it were released theatrically in the US, would even
Speaker 6: if it didn't like do huge numbers, would have gotten
Speaker 6: a lot of positive word of mouth.
Speaker 2: Hell yeah yeah, and definitely would have given what I
Speaker 2: like to call it is like the British Love Jones
Speaker 2: with a happier ending, Like it would have definitely given
Speaker 2: that sort of millennial black couple like comfort rom com.
Speaker 2: But so many people like haven't really seen it, and
Speaker 2: I think it's still on Hulu but still haven't watched it.
Speaker 1: Yeah it is.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Also, I mentioned this to you over text the other day, Kitlin,
Speaker 6: but I was like, oh, and I love when I
Speaker 6: have a thought about a movie and then I read
Speaker 6: reviews and someone much smarter than we also had the
Speaker 6: same thought.
Speaker 4: I'm like, we just covered the Before trilogy.
Speaker 6: On our Patreon aka Maatreon, and so we just rewatched
Speaker 6: that trilogy and like, there's so much of the first
Speaker 6: movie and that trilogy that feels like present in there
Speaker 6: where it's just I love a movie where two people
Speaker 6: are walking around and falling in love. I've learned it's
Speaker 6: just really really sweet, except this is like a much
Speaker 6: more stylized, like more hard comedy in a way.
Speaker 4: I really like it doesn't meander at all, Like I.
Speaker 6: Was like blown away and I had all the notes
Speaker 6: I needed after my first viewing, but I watched it
Speaker 6: again because it's just very rewatchable.
Speaker 4: It's so much fun. The performances are great, and I
Speaker 4: can't wait to talk about it more.
Speaker 2: Really, that's happy you dug it?
Speaker 4: Oh it was? It's yes, I loved it. Yeah, Kaitlyn,
Speaker 4: what was your history with this movie?
Speaker 1: I heard about it as we met via you, Shelley.
Speaker 1: I think you mentioned it at the end of our
Speaker 1: episode on Buffaloed aka the Detroiters, And I think I
Speaker 1: said that because I know that you used to live in.
Speaker 2: Detroit, right, Yeah, I'm from Detroit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so I associate Detroit with you, and then
Speaker 1: I just my brain.
Speaker 2: The best thing anybody has ever said to me in
Speaker 2: my whole life, I associate Detroit with you, is like
Speaker 2: that's the point. So yes, I will like fight on
Speaker 2: all of my bios to be like she is a
Speaker 2: detroiter living in.
Speaker 3: X y Z.
Speaker 2: So oh yeah, sorry interrupt.
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, I'm happy to pay you the compliment.
Speaker 1: But yeah, you mentioned it at the end of that episode,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, I didn't. I've never heard
Speaker 1: of that. What's that? Because it, I think only got
Speaker 1: a theatrical release in the UK, and so I looked
Speaker 1: it up and I was like, okay, And then I
Speaker 1: made a little mental note of that as like, oh,
Speaker 1: that could be a movie we could cover later on
Speaker 1: with Shelley and look at us now, look at us.
Speaker 4: But I'm so happy we're talking about it. It's so good.
Speaker 1: So I looked it up and then I saw that
Speaker 1: actor David Johnson in Alien What the hell is it called?
Speaker 2: The New One? That's where I know I'm from.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, that's how I recognize him as well. It
Speaker 6: seems like he's like on the verge of blowing up.
Speaker 6: I want them to both be on the verge of
Speaker 6: blowing up, please, But it seems like David Johnson definitely is.
Speaker 1: He's in the most recent Alien Romulus.
Speaker 4: Okay, I haven't seen.
Speaker 1: He plays one of the cyborg robot I forget what
Speaker 1: they call them in the Alien franchise, but anyway, he's
Speaker 1: he's that. I was like, oh, that's the same guy
Speaker 1: from that movie ry Lane, and then finally watched it
Speaker 1: to prep for this episode, and I similarly really liked it.
Speaker 1: I am not a big rom com head, but I
Speaker 1: do like them when they feel grounded and they actually
Speaker 1: have comedy in them, which most rom coms aren't grounded.
Speaker 1: They're very like, look at this ridiculous premise that would
Speaker 1: never happen in real life, and they don't have jokes
Speaker 1: in them. They're not actually funny, they're just like tonally light.
Speaker 1: But this movie has jokes. This movie feels grounded, and
Speaker 1: I really dug it for those reasons.
Speaker 6: Yay. I was also thinking, like, I've seen this like
Speaker 6: bemoaned in pieces I've read on letterbox, but just in general,
Speaker 6: how I feel like, especially since algorithms started deciding which
Speaker 6: movies get made and which don't, there's been no shortage
Speaker 6: of rom coms, most of which go straight to streaming,
Speaker 6: but there has been a shortage of rom com leads
Speaker 6: having actual chemistry. Like there's just so many rom coms
Speaker 6: I can think of from the last ten years that
Speaker 6: are like, well, this person is popular and this person
Speaker 6: is popular. If we make them kiss, maybe it'll be good.
Speaker 6: And it is rarely good and less the like, but
Speaker 6: oh my god, this movie is the exception, the rare
Speaker 6: exception Dad, where the two leads have incredible chemistry. It's
Speaker 6: such a believable pairing and you can't help but root
Speaker 6: for them in a way that I haven't felt in
Speaker 6: a round common a really really long time.
Speaker 4: We're back. Chemistry is back.
Speaker 2: I'm so excited to talk about this, and I'm so
Speaker 2: excited that both of y'all like, actually dug it, because
Speaker 2: I know that you are also like hella honest when
Speaker 2: it comes to movies that you fuck with and that
Speaker 2: you don't. So I was kind of nervous because you know,
Speaker 2: you kind of feel like you sometimes. I feel like
Speaker 2: I overhype a film and then someone watches it and
Speaker 2: they're like, like five stars, and I'm like yes.
Speaker 4: To me, so me, no, this movie is so it's
Speaker 4: so special. I don't know.
Speaker 6: I was in a great mood and I watched it
Speaker 6: at the beginning of a day and then again at
Speaker 6: the end of the day.
Speaker 2: Same. It's good, just randomly for no reason. Weekly nice
Speaker 2: love it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's take a quick break and then we'll come
Speaker 1: back to do the recap, shall we in it? All right,
Speaker 1: We're back in it, and sorry, I'm not gonna let
Speaker 1: that go. Also, I watch a lot of staff Lets
Speaker 1: Flats and the characters say in knit after like every sentence, And.
Speaker 6: You turned me on as stath Lets Flats, Caitlin, and
Speaker 6: I'm eternally grateful.
Speaker 2: You know what I said, I was gonna watch and
Speaker 2: did it, and now this makes me feel you have
Speaker 2: to won't regret it? Okay? Well then yeah, okay, great
Speaker 2: slid Okay, perfect, Okay.
Speaker 1: The recap of Rye Lane. So we meet Dom played
Speaker 1: by David Johnson in a bathroom stall at an art gallery.
Speaker 1: He is crying over a recent breakup. He's like scrolling
Speaker 1: through Instagram and looking at photos of his ex and
Speaker 1: her new boyfriend.
Speaker 4: He's wearing pink converses.
Speaker 6: He's so like Tumblr boyfriend losing.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I was like, yeah, my god, emoting in pink Chuck Taylors.
Speaker 2: With high vibrant colors just like it's Tumblr.
Speaker 6: Yeah, fifteen year old me would have been shitting herself,
Speaker 6: like just yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, the costuming in general in this movie is
Speaker 1: terrific because everything that Yaz is wearing and like her
Speaker 1: accessories and shoes, and it's just incredible.
Speaker 6: It's such a good balance of like the outfits are
Speaker 6: incredible and they still look like people you would see
Speaker 6: and actual people, Like you're like, oh, we probably actually
Speaker 6: could get that outfit if we want to do, which
Speaker 6: is great.
Speaker 2: It's nice.
Speaker 1: I think I own everything that Dom is wearing, Like
Speaker 1: I own those pink chucks you do, so, yeah, maybe
Speaker 1: Halloween costume. Anyway, So he's crying in the bathroom. Then
Speaker 1: a woman named Yeah played by Vivian Apara comes into
Speaker 1: the bathroom and hears him crying, and they interact briefly
Speaker 1: through the stall doors. She doesn't see his face, but
Speaker 1: she does see his pink converse shoes. The art show
Speaker 1: that they're both at is for Dom's friend Nathan's photos
Speaker 1: of people's mouths, which his all of the galleries and
Speaker 1: like the shows that we see of his are very
Speaker 1: funny and it's.
Speaker 2: Just very well done because like, I know so many
Speaker 2: artists who are just like I don't know so many
Speaker 2: artists like personally, but like whenever I see so many
Speaker 2: artists like promoting something on Instagram or something like that,
Speaker 2: the shows, there's something that is like this, which is
Speaker 2: so it Somehow I loved that show like I would
Speaker 2: go to his show.
Speaker 1: Like I it seemed fun.
Speaker 6: And also it is so like I had it in
Speaker 6: my notes, like it is so rom com canon that
Speaker 6: they have to have a cute an at an art
Speaker 6: gallery they had any rom Com If one of them
Speaker 6: doesn't work there, they know someone who does.
Speaker 4: It's just genre cannon.
Speaker 2: And also like there will be a lot of this
Speaker 2: that I do say, like throughout us talking about this film,
Speaker 2: but putting blackness in those spaces, in this space of
Speaker 2: a rom com, do you know what I mean? Like
Speaker 2: that layered, like having this black artist who is still
Speaker 2: very himself, but in this very black film featuring this
Speaker 2: very black art with this black artist who is the
Speaker 2: black listeners will get it, but like very black, you
Speaker 2: get what I mean. Like, but putting those layers of
Speaker 2: people into this world of rom com is so nice
Speaker 2: because the trauma is not there. And I feel like
Speaker 2: with blackness and in rom com they can be funny,
Speaker 2: but then there's some something has bad, has to happen
Speaker 2: to somebody somewhere sometime, and it just doesn't happen in
Speaker 2: this movie.
Speaker 4: Everyone's going really nice.
Speaker 2: Sorry spoil this movie is very happy.
Speaker 1: Oh dare you spoil? No, it's it's very true. And
Speaker 1: because we've seen time and time again representations of like
Speaker 1: a woman in a rom com works at a gallery
Speaker 1: or works at a magazine, but it's like such a
Speaker 1: white version of that.
Speaker 4: Judy Greer is usually there.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah she is.
Speaker 4: It's shocking she doesn't pop up here. But but there
Speaker 4: is a very famous actor who pops up in this
Speaker 4: movie that you're like, wait, what shocking? So good? And
Speaker 4: I like that he bravely looks like shit in this movie.
Speaker 2: It does not look good at all.
Speaker 4: Looks I was like, what happened there?
Speaker 6: But maybe he just like he just breathed through hair
Speaker 6: and makeup. He's like, I'm going in raw.
Speaker 2: Yeah, anyway, I'm here. I got a few hours, so yeah.
Speaker 4: I was like, I want to know that story so badly.
Speaker 6: But I feel like there's been a lot of comedy
Speaker 6: movies that make commentary on rom com tropes in a
Speaker 6: way that feels very, very kind of ham fisted in
Speaker 6: the way that it does it. But everything about this
Speaker 6: movie is so effortless, because like you were just saying, Kitlin,
Speaker 6: like we're so used to seeing these very white tropes
Speaker 6: in this genre of like the quirky white art gallery
Speaker 6: director blah blah blah, And this didn't even occur to
Speaker 6: me till the second viewing. But even the like quirkiness
Speaker 6: of our main.
Speaker 4: Characters are put on probably because they've watched too many.
Speaker 6: Movies like it, and like, I just I loved it,
Speaker 6: and it doesn't feel like it bangs you over the
Speaker 6: head with it. It's just like, oh, this is something
Speaker 6: that could actually happen, like yas being like I just
Speaker 6: liked that.
Speaker 4: You thought I was like a cool girl who among us?
Speaker 6: You know, I know, you just usually just really hope
Speaker 6: you don't get caught in the line. But yeah, it's
Speaker 6: just I can't say enough good things. But yes, anyways,
Speaker 6: the movie starts at an art gallery.
Speaker 1: Yes, and Dom is there because he's supporting his friend
Speaker 1: Nathan in his mouth pictures. Yaz is there because she's
Speaker 1: friends with Nathan's girlfriend Cass. Then Dom comes out of
Speaker 1: the bathroom and talks to Nathan, who admits that he
Speaker 1: went to a party thrown by Dom's ex girlfriend Gea
Speaker 1: and her new boyfriend Eric, so Dom feels very betrayed.
Speaker 1: By his friend, which.
Speaker 6: The more you learn about that situation, the more I'm like,
Speaker 6: I'm really mad at him.
Speaker 4: Why would you do that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, what the hell? What the hell? Indeed, then Dom
Speaker 1: and Yaz kind of link back up. She sees his
Speaker 1: pink converses and realizes it's the same guy from the bathroom,
Speaker 1: so she kind of like strikes up a conversation with him,
Speaker 1: though he doesn't realize that she recognizes him, I think.
Speaker 1: But they leave the gallery at the same time and
Speaker 1: they end up walking together. They cut through Rye Lane. Hey,
Speaker 1: that's the name of the movie, market think because they're
Speaker 1: in the movie takes place in different neighborhoods in South London.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about that and like why the director wanted
Speaker 1: those to be the locations. But anyway, so they're walking
Speaker 1: around these neighborhoods. Yes, asks Dom about himself. We learned
Speaker 1: that he's an accountant.
Speaker 6: She's like boring, and he's like, it's my dream.
Speaker 2: Which, like, I think that's awesome too, the fact that
Speaker 2: like this person, this black person gets to have an average,
Speaker 2: normal ass dream of being an accounting and having a
Speaker 2: regular ass life when going to his job and then
Speaker 2: having his girlfriend and like having a family, you know,
Speaker 2: like just normal, standard, cool, average people dreams. I love that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was like a thing like a wrongcom trip.
Speaker 6: I hadn't even thought about it in a long time.
Speaker 6: But it's like the well I'm doing this now, but
Speaker 6: what I really to do this?
Speaker 4: Yes, He's like, this is what I'm doing now, and
Speaker 4: it's all I ever really want to do.
Speaker 6: I'm pretty happy, I'm happy to say, right, which makes
Speaker 6: his heartbreak even more sad because it's like he had
Speaker 6: his life was the way he wanted it to be,
Speaker 6: but he had to meet.
Speaker 4: Yes, it's just how it had to go.
Speaker 2: He just had to.
Speaker 6: I also love that, just the idea of like a
Speaker 6: gender neutral bathroom being around meeting space. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 6: and it's not commented on. It is just a gender
Speaker 6: neutral bathroom. They're everywhere, you know. I just thought that
Speaker 6: was really cool.
Speaker 2: I did too, and I'm glad you pointed that out.
Speaker 2: Plus there's also some other like stuff that like they
Speaker 2: usually hit us over the head with in films like
Speaker 2: ones especially after like what twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, But
Speaker 2: this whole like they just happened to meet that. No
Speaker 2: one talks about it, No one has to say it again, like, oh,
Speaker 2: I saw this guy with pink converses in the gender
Speaker 2: neutral bathroom, and it's like, no, you knew that it
Speaker 2: happened there and that was it, Like okay, and it
Speaker 2: was so great.
Speaker 1: I love Yes.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of recent movies that are
Speaker 1: making attempts to include things like that are like really
Speaker 1: like patting themselves.
Speaker 6: On the back.
Speaker 4: You're like, it's a bathroom.
Speaker 2: She's a potty, everybody relaxed, a shitter.
Speaker 1: It's not that big idea.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's like, if your goal is realism, who would
Speaker 6: be like here we are in the gender neutral bathroom,
Speaker 6: Like right, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: So we've learned that he's an accountant. We also learned
Speaker 1: that he recently moved back in with his parents, I
Speaker 1: think because of the breakup. We learned that Yeah, works
Speaker 1: as a fashion buyer, but her dream is to be
Speaker 1: a costume designer for movies, TV entertainment. We learn also
Speaker 1: that Dom is on his way to meet up with
Speaker 1: his ex girlfriend for the first time since their breakup.
Speaker 4: That is such a bad walk. I was really like
Speaker 4: put into a very specific state of mind. You're like,
Speaker 4: this is one of the most miserable walks of his life.
Speaker 4: How lucky that the love of his life is there
Speaker 4: with him.
Speaker 1: Right, and so that's what he's on his way to do.
Speaker 1: Yes reveals that she also recently went through a breakup,
Speaker 1: though for her she was the dumper rather than the dumpy,
Speaker 1: and she's like, yeah, he sucked and I walked away.
Speaker 1: And Dom is like, oh, that's so iconic. Good for you,
Speaker 1: and she's like, right right, She's like, yes, exactly, that's.
Speaker 4: So me and I would do it again.
Speaker 6: I just I love her. I've done that where you're like,
Speaker 6: I'm never gonna see this guy again. Why not be
Speaker 6: the coolest person in the world to this person will
Speaker 6: never see again.
Speaker 1: And make up a huge fabricated story.
Speaker 4: Oh, it's the person you end up in a long
Speaker 4: term relationship.
Speaker 1: So Dom tells her more about his breakup, how he
Speaker 1: his girlfriend cheating on him with his best mate Eric,
Speaker 1: who will also be present for this meeting. To clear
Speaker 1: the air, I.
Speaker 4: Hate Eric, I hate Eric, I.
Speaker 2: Hate both of them.
Speaker 6: Pile of rocks for brains in that air, everyone is
Speaker 6: I really like Dom has this and I mean this
Speaker 6: in the nicest way.
Speaker 4: He has this like Charlie Brown quality, to him. Yes,
Speaker 4: where he just like no one respects him and there's
Speaker 4: no reason why. He's a very sweet person, and I'm
Speaker 4: just it just feels like people are just yanking footballs
Speaker 4: from beneath this guy. Left and right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hate bothom and I hate that he agreed
Speaker 2: to this meeting, Like I hate that he's going here.
Speaker 2: I hated every second of it. I mean like loved, hated,
Speaker 2: but like, why are you doing this? Because this was
Speaker 2: not for him? This was one hundred percent for her
Speaker 2: to make her feel better about what.
Speaker 4: She did, and she's bringing Eric.
Speaker 6: I would be like, even I would have enough dignity
Speaker 6: to be like, well, no, you can't bring him.
Speaker 2: What do you mean by all you can eat restaurant?
Speaker 6: Oh my god, have I Theraphy been to a place
Speaker 6: like that. I had like a work functions that took
Speaker 6: place at I think then MICUs. It was like it
Speaker 6: was a Korean barbecue, but there are no a Brazilian
Speaker 6: barbecue with the cards and it is one of the
Speaker 6: most stressful eating environments I've ever been in because I
Speaker 6: was working Kitlin and was when I was working at
Speaker 6: the Comedy Theater in Boston, and it's like a very
Speaker 6: male dominated space and they were competitively like getting.
Speaker 4: The meat sweats. They were like, don't turn the card
Speaker 4: to red.
Speaker 6: And I was like one of two women there and
Speaker 6: I was like, this is my nightmare. It's like men
Speaker 6: trying to eat meat until they die to prove a point.
Speaker 4: It was, Oh my god. It's a great place to
Speaker 4: set a scene.
Speaker 6: I loved because it just adds tension of like, and
Speaker 6: the most annoying person in this scene will be eating
Speaker 6: meat the whole time.
Speaker 1: Why it's I mean, it adds to the humor. I
Speaker 1: can't complain. So Dom and Yes arrive at this meeting
Speaker 1: spot at this restaurant. She offers to go in with him,
Speaker 1: and he's like, no offense, but this is important and
Speaker 1: you're basically a random person, so no, thank you, fair
Speaker 1: And she says fair and they part ways. So Dom
Speaker 1: goes in Gia his ex, and Eric his best mate
Speaker 1: or formerly best mate.
Speaker 4: Let's hope.
Speaker 1: So, but then is it not Eric who helps him move?
Speaker 2: Ye?
Speaker 1: Later in the it is so they're hanging out again.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I know that Eric is a puzzle to me.
Speaker 6: He's a total cipher.
Speaker 4: I'm like, what is good? What is going on in
Speaker 4: this man's head has to be nothing for anything. He
Speaker 4: makes sense.
Speaker 6: I do feel like I've met a handful of people
Speaker 6: like this in my life, where he's like, well, I
Speaker 6: like them both, so I guess without thinking about the
Speaker 6: traumatic interpersonal stuff, He's like, what, they're both fine in
Speaker 6: my book, they didn't do anything to me.
Speaker 2: Like he also gets fired for peeing in bottles and
Speaker 2: leaving them in his work locker and then being like,
Speaker 2: that's not what that is.
Speaker 1: He's like, they're so political there, I can't believe it.
Speaker 6: My brother had a roommate like that once. He had
Speaker 6: a peepea bottle roommate pepe bottle. I'm wondering how common
Speaker 6: an experience this is for CIS men, because when my
Speaker 6: brother brought it up, he's like, it's happened to my
Speaker 6: friend too.
Speaker 4: I was like, what, Oh, but there's a lot of
Speaker 4: peep bottle guys out there.
Speaker 2: I think I remember. Isn't like, what's the peepee bottle guy?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: Wait, it's Frank.
Speaker 6: I think it's Frank, because this is the type of
Speaker 6: guy that's out that we believe they walk among us.
Speaker 2: Don't see that. That's terrifying. You could walk fast one
Speaker 2: and not even know it.
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's happened more times than.
Speaker 4: One could be your friend.
Speaker 6: I did did a guy once that had an emergency
Speaker 6: bottle in his car and cause he had to pee
Speaker 6: too much. And I'm just like, not suffer, suffer, I
Speaker 6: guess at the end of the just just suffer.
Speaker 4: And also if that is so necessary, please don't tell
Speaker 4: me about it.
Speaker 6: No, but yeah, I like again, just like such a
Speaker 6: good specific of like an he's.
Speaker 4: A Peea bottle guy, and.
Speaker 6: Of course and none of them ever think a thing
Speaker 6: of it. They're like, it's good for the environment. And
Speaker 6: it was like, no, that wasn't that Frank's thing, the.
Speaker 2: Peep bottle guys. Yeah, because he was making sun tea
Speaker 2: he said, like rockets.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he was like watering his plants with them,
Speaker 1: something I forget.
Speaker 4: But it's like a survivalist thing too.
Speaker 6: I feel like it's this weird, hyper macho survivalist like
Speaker 6: bear grills lived, like, don't do that.
Speaker 1: At least in water World, Kevin Costner peas into this
Speaker 1: apparatus that like filters his pee into drinkable water afterward, So.
Speaker 6: We should do water I've never seen I've only seen
Speaker 6: the live show at Universal.
Speaker 4: Syd which I'm saying is not canon. That's really cool.
Speaker 1: It takes the vibes from water World the Future film
Speaker 1: and really emulates them. Water World the movie is not
Speaker 1: good and I hate Kevin Costner, so I have no
Speaker 1: wish to cover water World, but I would.
Speaker 6: It's my brother in law's favorite movie, which like whoa.
Speaker 6: My cousin told me this. She like said it in
Speaker 6: a low voice. She was like, she was like, it's
Speaker 6: Justin's favor movie. I was like, what She's like, I
Speaker 6: don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I kind of want to watch it now. I've never
Speaker 2: seen anything.
Speaker 4: Don't they drink pea in Dune? I haven't seen those mean,
Speaker 4: oh you.
Speaker 1: Know they might. I kind of forget. I have seen
Speaker 1: the available Dune movies. Oh not the David Lynch one,
Speaker 1: but the Dinny ones, and I could not tell you
Speaker 1: a single thing that happens in any of them. I
Speaker 1: don't understand what those movies are about anyway.
Speaker 6: Anyways, Yeah, I mean in general, like, if you could
Speaker 6: avoid putting your pea and bottles, you should think that's
Speaker 6: a fair boundary.
Speaker 1: I agree.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Anyway, so Eric, the peepea bottle guy is there, as
Speaker 1: is Gia, and they basically ask for permission from Dom
Speaker 1: to not feel guilty anymore about the huge betrayal they
Speaker 1: committed against him. They just like don't want to hold
Speaker 1: themselves accountable at all. And just then Yas comes in
Speaker 1: pretending to be Dom's new lover, saying that they met
Speaker 1: recently at this epic karaoke night they hit it off
Speaker 1: their you know, sexual chemistry was rippling throughout the room
Speaker 1: love and Shea is like very jealous, and.
Speaker 6: Yeah, because Gia is I feel like the darkest side
Speaker 6: of many of us, where she's like this dinner to
Speaker 6: basically humiliate her ex who is already like she's just
Speaker 6: kicking him while she's down, but the idea of him
Speaker 6: moving on makes her so upset.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and like I just feel like.
Speaker 6: This is a very dark part that exists in everyone personified.
Speaker 6: And You're just like sitting at Gia their soulmates, and
Speaker 6: you're dating pee Pee bottle guys.
Speaker 1: Right, it's the thing of like I am over them,
Speaker 1: but I don't want them to be over me, or like.
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, it's like a narcissistic thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like I don't really like them, but I want
Speaker 1: them to have a crush on me, Like I've definitely
Speaker 1: felt that and.
Speaker 4: I've done it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean it's like who among us hasn't been
Speaker 6: like if this person I'm disinterested in doesn't want to
Speaker 6: marry me, I'll die And like what is that? I've
Speaker 6: definitely been guilty of it. But it's like you just
Speaker 6: want to win for Dom so bad at this point.
Speaker 6: That is so awesome when Yas comes in.
Speaker 1: Right, because she comes in again, their chemistry palpable, and
Speaker 1: also Yes quickly abandons any sense of pleasantries and be
Speaker 1: rates Gia for cheating on Dom with you know, peepee
Speaker 1: bottle dipshit Eric.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And she's a neutral party. She could just be like,
Speaker 6: clearly he sucks and you're mad about.
Speaker 2: It, like and you shows him like please.
Speaker 4: Oh, I love it.
Speaker 1: Right, And so she comes in with this very like
Speaker 1: mic drop moment and then Dom and Yes run out
Speaker 1: afterward and they're high on the energy. They get some
Speaker 1: food together, which are burritos served to them by Colin
Speaker 1: Firth at a place called Love Guactually.
Speaker 2: So many layers to this bit, so many, and it's
Speaker 2: a perfect bit. Like I I was in the theater
Speaker 2: and I called myself the Leonardo DiCaprio meme like, because
Speaker 2: I was just very much like, oh my gosh. And
Speaker 2: then I did it again. When I saw the name
Speaker 2: of the place, I was like, oh my god, are
Speaker 2: you kidding?
Speaker 6: Like it is so I mean, if you're a fan
Speaker 6: of rom coms at all, it's very clear what's happening here.
Speaker 4: But I was curious, Yeah, like what how this happened?
Speaker 6: Because it's so wrong com. It's also so British, so
Speaker 6: it's there's just multiple layers. So yeah, but the most
Speaker 6: I was able to find was Rain Allen. Miller explained
Speaker 6: how this came together sort of in our radio interview.
Speaker 6: So she says, I decided I really want to do
Speaker 6: this thing where we have a shop that's like about
Speaker 6: a burrito or something. I said it to my partner
Speaker 6: and I was like, it has to be somebody like
Speaker 6: you know who in there, and my partner just suddenly
Speaker 6: came out and went, what about love quactually, and I
Speaker 6: was like, oh my god. And it was the best
Speaker 6: thing ever.
Speaker 1: And so I guess they just like reached out reverse
Speaker 1: engineered yea.
Speaker 6: And yeah, it was so cool. And she viewed this
Speaker 6: as sort of like a baton pass. David Johnson also,
Speaker 6: I don't know, like they.
Speaker 4: Were superstarstruck because it's such a weird thing that happened.
Speaker 1: They also call him callin. Yeah, I wonder if he's
Speaker 1: playing himself.
Speaker 2: What are you doing here? Why don't you have a
Speaker 2: bored tell me what's going on?
Speaker 4: I don't know, and.
Speaker 6: I guess that they like all it sounds like it
Speaker 6: was like a very magical day on set.
Speaker 4: And like David Johnson said, I just thought it was
Speaker 4: you know, he's absolutely incredible and he was so humble,
Speaker 4: so kind and giving, and it was just like a dream.
Speaker 4: And he gave us the best spits of advice for
Speaker 4: our career, like a real career, and hopefully we used them.
Speaker 4: I was like, oh my god, it's so sweet.
Speaker 2: I'm glad he was nice, because if he was mean,
Speaker 2: I would be damn.
Speaker 4: Hopefully, I mean never say never. Hopefully if he was
Speaker 4: a horrible person, we would know by now. I don't know,
Speaker 4: but I just I just love that.
Speaker 6: Like every recollection of this is like everyone's gushing like woooo,
Speaker 6: this was so fun and it's such a sweet, weird
Speaker 6: moment that is not replicated anywhere else.
Speaker 4: In the movie.
Speaker 1: Right, this seems like the type of thing that could
Speaker 1: be like a running bit if like later they run
Speaker 1: into like Hugh Grant or something.
Speaker 4: I mean, I wouldn't be mad. I wouldn't be mad, right,
Speaker 4: but uh no, it was.
Speaker 1: It was a great little one off joke. Also, love guactually,
Speaker 1: I mean that's how I would pronounce it. It makes
Speaker 1: me wonder if, like with an English accent.
Speaker 2: I think they might say they.
Speaker 4: Do actually, Yeah, it actually doesn't work here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it is love actually actually, which just hurts
Speaker 1: my feelings that way.
Speaker 2: Love guacchole, Yeah, guacasole.
Speaker 4: Guacachole doesn't quite work here in the same way.
Speaker 6: But anyways, just a very very sweet moment in the
Speaker 6: sweetest movie ever.
Speaker 1: Yes, So they get their burritos and then they walk
Speaker 1: through a park they talk talk a little bit more
Speaker 1: about their recent breakups. Yes says that one of the
Speaker 1: reasons she broke up with her boyfriend is that she's like,
Speaker 1: you know, when there's a bunch of tourists on a
Speaker 1: boat and they wave at you, Well, he was the
Speaker 1: type of person who wouldn't wave back, and I want
Speaker 1: someone who will waves back.
Speaker 4: This is like such a perfect rom com line because.
Speaker 2: It makes sense too, Like you want someone who like
Speaker 2: waves beadind because it shows that you're just kind, you're playful,
Speaker 2: you're like sweet, and you're not just like, ugh, that's
Speaker 2: just not cute.
Speaker 4: You're not too good for anything, Like, no, it's so cute.
Speaker 2: And then we get oh, I don't want to Well,
Speaker 2: keep going.
Speaker 1: It pays off later. Yeah, it's so.
Speaker 4: It's perfect realm com writing. It's perfect roalm com writing.
Speaker 1: I love it, Yeah, for sure. So then they head
Speaker 1: to a bar. Yes gets a call about a costume
Speaker 1: designer job interview, which she blows off like it's supposed
Speaker 1: to be that day and she's just like, can't make
Speaker 1: a sorry buy. She then tells Dom more about her
Speaker 1: relationship ending Her ex boyfriend Jules was this like self righteous,
Speaker 1: joyless guy who was unkind to her. So she pretended
Speaker 1: like she was about to give him head and then
Speaker 1: instead dumped a bunch of hummus that she made on
Speaker 1: his dick and got the fuck out. That's how they
Speaker 1: broke up.
Speaker 6: The way that that scene is shot, I mean, we'll
Speaker 6: talk about the cinematography and a bit, but like the
Speaker 6: way it's especially when you learn what happens later in
Speaker 6: the movie, it makes even more sense because it shot
Speaker 6: like a dream sequence.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I just ugh the way this movie is.
Speaker 6: I saw some people being like I normally wouldn't like
Speaker 6: Fish Eye View, but this movie is so good that
Speaker 6: I quickly forgot about it. And I mean, I don't
Speaker 6: have any As a former MySpace girly, I have no
Speaker 6: issue with a fish Eye lent absolutely and I I
Speaker 6: was like, yes, this is closed, this is my culture
Speaker 6: limography anyone Boca affect anybody.
Speaker 4: But like it's just so cool and a word. I
Speaker 4: was telling my fiance about this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, her fiance I love ram, I love comm.
Speaker 4: But but I was telling him. I was like, it's just.
Speaker 6: So cool to see a like current rom com that
Speaker 6: is actually stylized and isn't just so again, like when
Speaker 6: you think about a rom com streaming on Hulu, which
Speaker 6: this shouldn't have been exclusively, but like you just think
Speaker 6: of total flat no color editing, like just Ai looking
Speaker 6: kind of an editing style, And this.
Speaker 4: Movie is so visually cool in a way that all
Speaker 4: rom coms deserve to be and are not.
Speaker 1: Totally right because like it's like the artistry of film
Speaker 1: the I think gives a lot of like film bros.
Speaker 1: What they think is permission to discard movies that like
Speaker 1: don't have very stylized things, and because rom coms usually don't,
Speaker 1: they're like.
Speaker 4: Well, that's not real cinema.
Speaker 6: I like, dude, even though it right, name one thing
Speaker 6: that happens in Dude, your.
Speaker 1: End, but you know it's not tho all movies have
Speaker 1: to be super super stylized or anything like that. But
Speaker 1: I do appreciate that this one is because it just
Speaker 1: it elevates it so plus they.
Speaker 2: Needed to for the we'll probably get into this, but
Speaker 2: they needed to film it so stylized without the color
Speaker 2: and the lighting and stuff because both leads and most
Speaker 2: people in the movie are dark skin and like they
Speaker 2: really makes them pop. Like in most rhyme coms, you
Speaker 2: don't have to worry about the lighting and the colors
Speaker 2: because you usually have just two pale white people or
Speaker 2: like some like interracial couple or something like that. But
Speaker 2: this one, like everyone is most of the cast is
Speaker 2: like dark skinned folks, so even background actors and like
Speaker 2: extra like. So I think that added into why they
Speaker 2: needed to shoot it such a way or like specifically,
Speaker 2: it also helped bring out the beauty in the story
Speaker 2: and the people all at the same time by shooting
Speaker 2: it such a stylized way. It reminds me of Insecure,
Speaker 2: Like everyone always talks about if you ever need to
Speaker 2: see like no one in the world can ever say
Speaker 2: you can't shoot black people a certain way, because just
Speaker 2: look at Insecure, Like there's nighttime scenes, there's scenes where
Speaker 2: it's really dark inside the house and it's still so
Speaker 2: vibrant and like, so yeah.
Speaker 6: It's like if you say you can't do it's because
Speaker 6: you're fucking's lazy exactly at best, exactly just like some
Speaker 6: of my favorite background acting I've ever seen where it's
Speaker 6: just so like I'm so curious, like how casting worked
Speaker 6: for this movie, because every background actor is doing something
Speaker 6: specific and funny and just like draws you like doesn't
Speaker 6: distract from the story, but also like makes you feel
Speaker 6: a real love for the communities that they're walking through,
Speaker 6: because it's just like people.
Speaker 4: Going about their business, but in like a very i
Speaker 4: don't know, like sweet wholesome way.
Speaker 6: I think about like the two school kids who were
Speaker 6: playing some weird game in the background of one scene,
Speaker 6: You're just like.
Speaker 2: Think about the balloon lady when they're.
Speaker 1: Going, yeah, she's like popping all over balloons trying to
Speaker 1: get out.
Speaker 4: The door right right, Like it's just like a more
Speaker 4: magical version of the real world. It's so special. Anyways,
Speaker 4: what's happening in the movie?
Speaker 1: Oh, let me tell you?
Speaker 3: So?
Speaker 1: She has just dumped her boyfriend by pouring hummus on
Speaker 1: his penis, but in her haste to leave, she accidentally
Speaker 1: leaves behind her cherished a tribe called quest Record Damn.
Speaker 1: So Dom is like, well, you helped me, now I'm
Speaker 1: gonna help you get your record back.
Speaker 4: It's also partially so that they don't have to stop
Speaker 4: stopping out.
Speaker 6: She's just such a sweet thing where it's like they
Speaker 6: have to keep finding these excuses before one of them
Speaker 6: finally has to be like, I like you, please don't.
Speaker 1: Leave before sunrise.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 4: It's so great.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Anyway, so they try to get into the ex boyfriend,
Speaker 1: Jules's place because he's out of town right now, but
Speaker 1: when they try to get in via the key that
Speaker 1: yeahes has, she realized that he has changed the locks.
Speaker 1: So then they go to Jules's two moms' place to
Speaker 1: look for a sparakee.
Speaker 4: Such a fun detour.
Speaker 2: If you're not paying attention, you might miss it, you
Speaker 2: kind of might miss it, you kind of might be like,
Speaker 2: wait what because I think I know, I know that
Speaker 2: I did not. First of all, that's a lie, but
Speaker 2: I think I definitely did have to do a double tape,
Speaker 2: Like I had to pay attention and look at the
Speaker 2: house and the pictures and stuff, and I was like, ah, okay, cool,
Speaker 2: mm hmm.
Speaker 1: And so they show up at this house and it
Speaker 1: turns out that they're throwing a party, so Dom's like
Speaker 1: hanging out at the barbecue. They're judging him for the
Speaker 1: music on his phone because it's all like sad breakup music.
Speaker 1: There's high jinks with Dom looking through the moms's underwear drawer.
Speaker 1: Then at one point, Dom overhears Yaz telling Jules's moms
Speaker 1: that she's only hanging out with Dom because she heard
Speaker 1: him crying in the bathroom and felt sorry for him.
Speaker 1: Dom is sad. They eventually leave the house and he
Speaker 1: confronts her about this and she's like, yeah, I did
Speaker 1: feel sorry for you, but I'm also enjoying hanging out
Speaker 1: with you, but now we're.
Speaker 2: In love, right, It's okay, We're fine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And they discussed possibly hanging out again at some point,
Speaker 1: so they numbers and then they part ways cut two.
Speaker 1: They're together again moments later on a mopead because Yaz
Speaker 1: learned that even though the moms didn't end up having
Speaker 1: a key to Jules's flat, Yeas's friend Mona does. So
Speaker 1: they go to Mona, who runs a karaoke night at
Speaker 1: a club.
Speaker 4: Oh and now we're coming full sick.
Speaker 1: Yes, I love it.
Speaker 2: When they were on the moped, it was a stormsy song,
Speaker 2: which like iconic, like so good, so good, so good.
Speaker 1: So it's a great soundtrack because then they go and
Speaker 1: sing Shoop by Salt and Peppa at the karaoke night.
Speaker 4: In the dorkiest way place.
Speaker 1: It's so cute. But they're bringing down the house.
Speaker 4: Well not at first, but only together.
Speaker 2: Not at first yeah, yeah, so great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but when they joined forces, they kill it, just
Speaker 1: like how they described in the fake story of how
Speaker 1: they met that they to Gia and it's exciting.
Speaker 2: It's so exciting.
Speaker 6: The first time I saw it, I like my job.
Speaker 6: I was, like I truly did, because usually I mean,
Speaker 6: in a subpar rom come, you can see a scene
Speaker 6: like that coming from a mile away, and I did
Speaker 6: not see it coming at any organic and sweet.
Speaker 2: And not corny, Like not I mean like corny in
Speaker 2: the sense of they're doing this karaoke woman, but not.
Speaker 2: It wasn't corny. It was so cute. It was like, damn,
Speaker 2: they're really realizing more how much they like each other.
Speaker 2: And also in that moment, too, we get to see
Speaker 2: a little bit of Vivian Opero's character. Yet you could
Speaker 2: see the real her. She's like, not this girl, She's
Speaker 2: not that girl that she's been for the past like
Speaker 2: seven hours. She maybe a little bit, but it's not
Speaker 2: really her, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she does like retreat into herself a bit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's really Oh my god, I just loved it.
Speaker 6: Where you realize I mean that is like a very
Speaker 6: special moment in any like any kind of relationship too.
Speaker 6: I think, like in a friendship, a romantic relationship, a
Speaker 6: family relationship, where you just realize someone is a little
Speaker 6: shyer than you thought they were is such an intimate,
Speaker 6: sweet thing.
Speaker 1: So they sing the karaoke song and they're like all
Speaker 1: energized from that, and then they make out a little bit,
Speaker 1: and then they head back to Jules's place with the
Speaker 1: key and they get inside, but just then Jules and
Speaker 1: his new girlfriend Tabby come in and they're like, what
Speaker 1: the fuck are you doing here? And we get the
Speaker 1: real story of what happened between Yeahs and Jules. He
Speaker 1: was actually the one to break up. He was actually
Speaker 1: the one to break up with her because she was
Speaker 1: a mess and like, yeah, that was.
Speaker 2: Nasty work, that was good, that was so good, well done,
Speaker 2: I try my best.
Speaker 1: He breaks up with her because she's a mess and
Speaker 1: like she didn't have the guts to pursue her artistic
Speaker 1: dreams and she was just generally a messy person. Dom
Speaker 1: and Yes eventually leave Jules's place with the record, but
Speaker 1: Dom confronts her about lying to him, especially because he
Speaker 1: had been so honest with her, and he's like, you
Speaker 1: set a very bad precedent by lying to me from
Speaker 1: the very jump. And she does not handle this criticism
Speaker 1: well and he doesn't trust her now. So they part
Speaker 1: ways this time, you know, not to reconvene anytime soon.
Speaker 1: They wallow in sadness separately for a while. Some time
Speaker 1: passes and they start to carry on with their lives.
Speaker 4: I mean, certain rom come troupes must happen, no matter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to have that montage, you have to
Speaker 2: have like yearning. But I'm not going to say anything
Speaker 2: because I'm rightfully mad at you. But the other one
Speaker 2: doesn't know how to like swallow their pride.
Speaker 4: And they're like, I'm over it, I swear. Yeah.
Speaker 6: And the fact that they set this in and I
Speaker 6: do like that because it's like earlier, it's kind of
Speaker 6: left as this hanging question of like, is yeahs going
Speaker 6: to keep pursuing this career. It seems like she's really
Speaker 6: on the fence about it, and that, as we later learn,
Speaker 6: it's like part of her own insecurity that she doesn't
Speaker 6: feel comfortable really throwing herself into it all the way.
Speaker 4: And so having that time of part sometimes is necessary
Speaker 4: because it's so easy to get pulled into a relationship
Speaker 4: and be like I have love, I don't need personal satisfay.
Speaker 4: It's just never true. Never to hear that today, it's
Speaker 4: never true. Yeah, you need both.
Speaker 1: So they start to carry on with their lives. They're
Speaker 1: going on dates with other people. Yeah, this has an
Speaker 1: interview for a costume designer job that she actually goes
Speaker 1: on this time and gets the job the Alien movie.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so British for them to keep calm and carry
Speaker 6: on classic that.
Speaker 1: I also love that there's a scene where like Yaz
Speaker 1: is talking to the director and their conversation is like
Speaker 1: mapped on. It's like very meta because the director is like,
Speaker 1: this is the big climax of the movie, so there
Speaker 1: needs to be this big grand moment, and it's basically
Speaker 1: just like narrating what Yaz needs to do in the
Speaker 1: movie that we're watching. It's really fun.
Speaker 6: I loved and it's like this again, like toes the
Speaker 6: line so effortlessly where I think that there's a way
Speaker 6: to do that scene that has that's like, here's my
Speaker 6: rom com. It has nothing but antipathy for any other
Speaker 6: rom com. But even when this movie is subverting the
Speaker 6: rom com, it still feels like it comes with like
Speaker 6: a genuine affection for the genre, and it's just like
Speaker 6: building on it versus being like.
Speaker 4: This fucking sucks. Like it's just like it's sweet and funny.
Speaker 4: It's not antagonistic.
Speaker 2: I don't know, and I had no at this point too.
Speaker 2: I know we're gonna first talk about with the movie
Speaker 2: like how it happens, but I kinda didn't know. I
Speaker 2: did think it was gonna be very love Jonesy right
Speaker 2: where it's like they weren't gonna.
Speaker 4: Write maybe get but it was cool.
Speaker 2: I was gonna be fine with that because it was
Speaker 2: very much like you could see how they still affected
Speaker 2: and touched each other's lives as they were moving on,
Speaker 2: Like she was starting to go on these interviews, she
Speaker 2: was being more self assured about herself. She was being
Speaker 2: honest with herself and then him when he was like,
Speaker 2: I gotta get out of this house, Like I gotta
Speaker 2: get back out there. I am a dope person, and
Speaker 2: her sort of like extrovertness sort of tapped into him
Speaker 2: and then vice versa. It was just so if it
Speaker 2: didn't go the way of a normal rom com of
Speaker 2: being like happily ever after, I'd have been cool with that,
Speaker 2: like honestly, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Because it's still satisfying to watch them, like having affected
Speaker 1: each other in positive ways.
Speaker 4: Yeah because either way. Yeah, like their lives are better
Speaker 4: for having known each other. And then the super sentimental
Speaker 4: part of yourself is like they are adapt Yes, how
Speaker 4: does it ends? It end? I want to talk about
Speaker 4: how it ends.
Speaker 1: It's so cute. I love that I tell us, tell us, Okay, so, uh,
Speaker 1: she's gotten this job. She also realizes that she misses
Speaker 1: dom and that she has feelings for him and that
Speaker 1: maybe she should do some grand gesture to try to
Speaker 1: win him back, because they had discussed previously that he
Speaker 1: was always the one doing grand gestures in his relationship
Speaker 1: that were met with like.
Speaker 6: Just like made me tear up. Is like, if you're
Speaker 6: the grand gesture person in a relationship, it is so
Speaker 6: satisfying to see someone.
Speaker 4: Do that for the other person. It's just so sweet.
Speaker 4: I'm like almost crying now.
Speaker 2: It's so nice and that's so true, the fact that
Speaker 2: she's and actually like I did cry and I'm not
Speaker 2: a crowder girl, but the first time I was like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, because you're right like watching that, it's
Speaker 2: there were so many layers of satisfaction for the viewer,
Speaker 2: being like, if you're this person and you are usually
Speaker 2: doing all this, but guess what you're about to see
Speaker 2: it happen like for you essentially, and also fuck his
Speaker 2: ex on a whole other level, because if you've rent
Speaker 2: out a chicken shop that we had our first date
Speaker 2: out and all of and I'm sitting there like this
Speaker 2: is so.
Speaker 4: Like gets again British mode.
Speaker 6: They had a chicken shop date up like the famous series,
Speaker 6: and she was like, this does nothing for me, I'm
Speaker 6: like this, this is British cannon.
Speaker 2: Come on it wait because it was their anniversary and
Speaker 2: he rented it out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, how could you not? If you don't melt into
Speaker 4: a pile of goo, grow a heart.
Speaker 2: It's like, are you kidding? I couldn't. I couldn't. I couldn't.
Speaker 2: She's a grinch. It reminded me a quick story of
Speaker 2: my dad and my mom. My mom and dad, one
Speaker 2: of their first dates were I like a Big Boy,
Speaker 2: And this is like early seventies, and they went to
Speaker 2: Big Boy and she would always get she got extra food,
Speaker 2: like because she had like six brothers and sisters or whatever.
Speaker 2: And the only way that she could go out with
Speaker 2: him is if he brought food back home for anyway.
Speaker 2: I remember years later my parents just celebrated their forty
Speaker 2: six year or something like that, but this was like
Speaker 2: maybe fifteen years ago. My dad was like, make sure
Speaker 2: your mom has a really nice dress, a really pretty outfit,
Speaker 2: make sure she can get her hair done, all this
Speaker 2: stuff like that. He didn't tell her where she's going.
Speaker 2: He didn't tell me where he's going. Why did he
Speaker 2: make her? And they both got really glammed up. He
Speaker 2: took her to the Big Boy Boy, the one that
Speaker 2: they went. I was like, everybody, shut up. I honestly
Speaker 2: think my mom was half and half. She was half
Speaker 2: like this is very romantic, and the other half was like,
Speaker 2: are you kidding. Yeah.
Speaker 6: It was like maybe when you get older you're like, yeah, hey,
Speaker 6: I've been here.
Speaker 2: But it's just like, so it was so cute, and
Speaker 2: I couldn't believe that his girl ex was like just
Speaker 2: it just showed how much she wasn't for him.
Speaker 1: She's like, I filled in my eyebrows.
Speaker 2: For this and it wasn't even that good. That's a lie.
Speaker 2: Her eyebrow sifting cradle.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, she's gorgeous. It's yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 6: I yeah, my fiancey proposed to be like we basically
Speaker 6: went on our first date again. We went on the
Speaker 6: same walk we went on on our first date, and yeah,
Speaker 6: I was sobbing the whole time because I knew it
Speaker 6: was going to happen because I basically planned it, but
Speaker 6: I hadn't planned it being our first date again.
Speaker 4: I was like, so nice. It was like we were
Speaker 4: literally we walked. We went on a two mile walk,
Speaker 4: but it was really like, it's it's the sentimental.
Speaker 6: But that's a sign that she's not really in love
Speaker 6: if she's not like that part moved by that, because
Speaker 6: you should be if you're really in love.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Anyways, anyways, okay, so this is called the movie ends.
Speaker 1: She's like, I'm going to do a big grand gesture
Speaker 1: to win Dom back.
Speaker 2: Yes she is.
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, their mutual artist friend Nathan, who had the show
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the movie, now has another art show,
Speaker 1: this time about people's butts. It's like photography, but photography.
Speaker 4: I I like that he comes back. I was not
Speaker 4: expecting that different.
Speaker 6: Fun.
Speaker 1: And so Dom goes to the art show, but yeahs
Speaker 1: is not there. But she does call him while she's
Speaker 1: on a nearby boat, which he waves at. So she
Speaker 1: sees him waving. She knows that he's the one because
Speaker 1: he waves at the boats. Yes, apologizes for lying to him.
Speaker 1: They you know, run that. She gets off the boat,
Speaker 1: he runs through the neighborhood. They reunite and they're like, ha, oh,
Speaker 1: how good to see you again. Should we hang out?
Speaker 2: Kiss?
Speaker 1: Kiss?
Speaker 4: Kiss?
Speaker 1: And that's the end of the movie.
Speaker 2: And it's so romantic and perfect and I just can't
Speaker 2: and then I hit restart play again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's the movie. Let's take another quick break
Speaker 1: and we'll come back to discuss and we're back.
Speaker 4: All right, Where shall we start, Shelley? Where would you
Speaker 4: like to start? Because I'm all my notes on this
Speaker 4: movie are like, loved it.
Speaker 2: Okay, I kind of want to start with the easter
Speaker 2: eggs of it all, but I guess it really wasn't
Speaker 2: an easter egg. I think it was such a perfect
Speaker 2: just like old to London and like rom Com films
Speaker 2: and South London in particular. But one thing that I
Speaker 2: really loved was like seeing people, yeah, like Colin Firth
Speaker 2: and all that. But I really, did you ever watched
Speaker 2: Absolutely Fabulous? The answer is likely yes, right.
Speaker 4: I actually never yet?
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, yes, God sorry, so incredible, incredible series,
Speaker 2: A huge part of my like pop culture upbringing. The
Speaker 2: mom the one that talks more like that answers the
Speaker 2: door when they go to uh the ex's house to
Speaker 2: get the key. She was a recurring person in Absolutely Fabulous,
Speaker 2: and when I saw that, I just was like again,
Speaker 2: like Leonardo DiCaprio moment, and not just because she was
Speaker 2: in this movie and that was super cool, but I
Speaker 2: really love when black artists put things and people in
Speaker 2: movies that only probably likely other black people will be like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, or as like a an Insecure did
Speaker 2: that a lot with like the people like who played
Speaker 2: Easter Ray's mom like stuff like that. I just really
Speaker 2: love that because it felt like it was a really
Speaker 2: dope layer another a dope layer to blackness, which the
Speaker 2: whole film is a love letter to me. The whole
Speaker 2: film is an absolute love letter to blackness and black love.
Speaker 2: And I hadn't seen anything like it in a long time,
Speaker 2: with maybe the exception of maybe the exception of the
Speaker 2: photograph like but again, I'm just Eastern ray hand forever,
Speaker 2: so that could be it. But yeah, I guess that's
Speaker 2: the main thing I wanted to start off with was
Speaker 2: just that. And I think a lot of people make
Speaker 2: films that say they're like an ode to this or
Speaker 2: oh to that, and you watch it and you really
Speaker 2: don't feel that connected to it, or you feel like
Speaker 2: it missed you, or it feels a little bit like
Speaker 2: maybe to them it's a very personal ode to whatever,
Speaker 2: and they think it's going to be this blanket everyone's
Speaker 2: going to get it, but this one am I'm not British,
Speaker 2: like I am black, but I am right crazy. I'm
Speaker 2: not like, I'm not from South London. I don't have
Speaker 2: any like West Indian heritage and stuff like that. But
Speaker 2: I got so much of the film even though I'm
Speaker 2: this black girl from Detroit at Sundance watching it right
Speaker 2: and it just felt so deeply well done, especially with
Speaker 2: it being like a black rom com. I would definitely
Speaker 2: this is a rom com for everyone. Yeah, but it
Speaker 2: is a black rom com with to me, one of
Speaker 2: the most important parts of it that both leads are
Speaker 2: dark skin. They are not racially ambiguous. They don't have
Speaker 2: like a curl pattern that you can't discern, like both
Speaker 2: leads are tark skin, black British people, and it's so
Speaker 2: beautiful to see it on film. So that's where I
Speaker 2: wanted to stay.
Speaker 1: But yeah, and the director speaks to this. I read
Speaker 1: an interview with her rain Allen Miller in Elle magazine
Speaker 1: as this movie was coming out, and she speaks a
Speaker 1: lot about changes she made to the script, where, for example,
Speaker 1: the original draft had the movie set in Camden, which
Speaker 1: and if I'm remembering correctly, oh gosh, London listeners correct
Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong, But it's a different area of London.
Speaker 1: I think it's like a kind of predominantly white area
Speaker 1: that is known for its like kind of like artsy
Speaker 1: hipstery vibes, but like very different vibes from the neighborhoods
Speaker 1: we end up seeing in the movie. So basically she
Speaker 1: got a hold of the script, it was sent to her.
Speaker 1: She was like approached to direct this. It's her feature
Speaker 1: film directorial debut, and she was originally like, well, I'd
Speaker 1: love for my first feature to be something that I wrote,
Speaker 1: but this script was so funny and I fell in
Speaker 1: love with it, so she agreed to direct, but she
Speaker 1: made some changes to the script. Here's a quote from her.
Speaker 1: She says, I had quite a lot of notes. I
Speaker 1: wanted the female lead to the funny one, and I
Speaker 1: wanted the world to feel more elevated. So when I
Speaker 1: told stories, I wanted them to feel more dream like
Speaker 1: and surreal. And then she goes on to say I
Speaker 1: wanted the film to be a correct representation. The truth
Speaker 1: of it is, being a person of color is a
Speaker 1: hard experience, but there are also really good days, and
Speaker 1: this film is about one of those really good days.
Speaker 1: It's so important to represent our experience correctly and not
Speaker 1: just show grit. We also goof out, We also get
Speaker 1: our hearts broken, eat Greg's on the bed and cry.
Speaker 1: We all have a three sixty experience of the world,
Speaker 1: and it's important that that's shown unquote. And then also
Speaker 1: one of the changes she made was that again story
Speaker 1: was originally set in Camden, that neighborhood of London, and
Speaker 1: then she changed it to Peckham and Brixton in South London.
Speaker 1: And then obviously the title of the film is named
Speaker 1: after the real Lifelane Market and all the like. So basically,
Speaker 1: like I was thinking of movies set in London and
Speaker 1: what you usually see with that, it's mostly movies featuring
Speaker 1: white characters. They'll take place in these like posh, upper
Speaker 1: class neighborhoods, like we've talked a lot on the podcast
Speaker 1: about like the movie and TV version of New York
Speaker 1: City where only white people mysteriously live, and it feels
Speaker 1: like London is similarly represented that way in media, especially
Speaker 1: if you're thinking about rom com set in London. You've
Speaker 1: got your things like Nodding Hill and Bridget Jones and
Speaker 1: Love Actually and Four Weddings and a Funeral, all of
Speaker 1: which star Hugh Grant.
Speaker 2: Will say just watched the late as Bridget Jones very happy.
Speaker 4: Oh, I haven't seen it yet. You liked it?
Speaker 2: I loved it, But I have such a connection to
Speaker 2: that movie. But yes it was. I was happy. I
Speaker 2: was very happy.
Speaker 6: I've been saving it for like a night room, like
Speaker 6: I need this.
Speaker 4: Yes, okay, good.
Speaker 1: But Ry Lane is one of the few movies at
Speaker 1: least that I've seen that's set in London that doesn't
Speaker 1: center white characters, that shows pockets of the city that
Speaker 1: are multicultural, that are racially and ethnically and socioeconomically diverse.
Speaker 1: A few other ones I could think of were things
Speaker 1: like Bend It, like Beckham, Attack the Block, polite society,
Speaker 1: but so much of like how London is represented in
Speaker 1: media is like very like, look at these rich white people.
Speaker 1: Sometimes we're in the eighteen hundreds.
Speaker 6: Well, because I think that that view of England, at least,
Speaker 6: it seems still like fairly pushed in the US of
Speaker 6: thinking of England as this white posh exclusively place, whereas
Speaker 6: like all of the media I encountered about England growing
Speaker 6: up would not have reflected any of the diversity that
Speaker 6: you see when you go there, or any of the
Speaker 6: class diversity that you see outside of like Oliver Twist,
Speaker 6: like all of the any class diversity you got, you
Speaker 6: have to go back one hundred and fifty years, and
Speaker 6: any racial diversity is like basically not there unless you
Speaker 6: have BBC, which we don't, and so it's just yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: And when you push it, when they push it now,
Speaker 2: So like my thing, first thing that came to my
Speaker 2: mind was Bridgerton, right, like, and they have like Queen
Speaker 2: Charlotte and stuff like that, there's always this debate level
Speaker 2: of like did the blackness exist? And when we talk
Speaker 2: about going back to a different period and like that's
Speaker 2: such a time, right, and we think about like there's
Speaker 2: always a debate because even still Bridgerton is on, it's
Speaker 2: like a million season and every time it premieres, people
Speaker 2: constantly debate on if Queen Charlotte was like actually black,
Speaker 2: And it's just so the erasure of black Britain is
Speaker 2: just it's constant. And I was gonna it's so funny
Speaker 2: that you bring that up about Attack the Block. That
Speaker 2: was gonna be my other when I was thinking about
Speaker 2: black film and it's not romantic, but when I'm thinking
Speaker 2: about like a film from the UK, that's just inherently
Speaker 2: black and brown. I definitely think of Attack the Block,
Speaker 2: and not a lot of people like talk about that movie,
Speaker 2: but it was so black.
Speaker 1: It's good.
Speaker 2: It's so good. It's one of the best like sci
Speaker 2: fi ish horsment I've seen in a long time. Sure,
Speaker 2: but I think about that and it shows like.
Speaker 4: Wasn't that where like John boyego was discovered.
Speaker 2: And that's where John boyoga And then it like him
Speaker 2: being in these sci fi ros is just constantly incredible
Speaker 2: because he was also great and Weaklon Tyroll just great.
Speaker 2: But then I think about something like Chewing Gum, right,
Speaker 2: and that's another sort of like. But then with that,
Speaker 2: it's like there's so many doll ups of whiteness in
Speaker 2: it because she is in an interracial relationship and all
Speaker 2: this kind of stuff. But Attacked the Block and and
Speaker 2: Ry Lane are two black British films that I've seen
Speaker 2: where I've just been like, I didn't have to play
Speaker 2: like spot the black character, you know, and it was
Speaker 2: just it was awesome. And I know it's had. The
Speaker 2: Block takes place in like council housing and stuff, but
Speaker 2: that's either here nor there. It's just like another area
Speaker 2: of black Britain, which is really cool that in another
Speaker 2: cute movie. Sorry, Boxing Day, that's another black British rom
Speaker 2: com that.
Speaker 6: Is so fucking good, just because every time you mentioned that,
Speaker 6: we write it down.
Speaker 2: But Boxing Day is such an incredible black cast movie.
Speaker 2: That's a rom com.
Speaker 1: Boxing Day is what like the day after.
Speaker 2: Chris Days After, because it was like for the servants,
Speaker 2: that's essentially what it was for, Like they couldn't celebrate
Speaker 2: on Christmas because they were like working for the family,
Speaker 2: so they would get the next day. I think British listeners,
Speaker 2: please don't tell me if I'm wrong, actually find out.
Speaker 2: I want to know. Thanks.
Speaker 4: Well, see, I.
Speaker 6: Also just I read and I didn't cite it in
Speaker 6: my notes, but that rain Allen Miller had previously stated
Speaker 6: that she, you know, like like you were saying Caitlin,
Speaker 6: that she was hoping to that her first movie would
Speaker 6: be on something she'd written herself, but also that she
Speaker 6: was a little bit reticent towards rom comms in general.
Speaker 6: And I feel like you can you can feel that
Speaker 6: in this movie in a good way, because she's like
Speaker 6: pushing the genre forward in a way that like I've
Speaker 6: never seen it before, and I'm so glad that someone
Speaker 6: who wasn't like a diehard rom com fan made a
Speaker 6: rom com because it it has all of the things
Speaker 6: that we love about roalm coms, but also is not
Speaker 6: being precious about the the tropes that we haven't needed
Speaker 6: for decades, including the whitewashedness, including the like visual uncreativity,
Speaker 6: and it just all I just love it and rain
Speaker 6: Alan Miller not for nothing, Like I'm just so glad
Speaker 6: that I know about Eliah because she's so cool.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and she's just really really cool.
Speaker 1: She also I wanted to share another quote from this
Speaker 1: LL magazine interview with her about the environment that she
Speaker 1: cultivated on set. Here's just a quote from this piece.
Speaker 1: When it comes to creating an environment on set, Alan
Speaker 1: Miller cites a grounded and relatable approach is best now
Speaker 1: quoting her, it should be fun, you know, it shouldn't
Speaker 1: be hell, because even though it's important to work, it's
Speaker 1: not life or death. Prioritizing people and making sure the
Speaker 1: crew and cast could go home, see their families and
Speaker 1: live a healthy life was important to me, she explains,
Speaker 1: noting that she wanted people like the film's production designer, Anna,
Speaker 1: who was eight months pregnant during filming to feel comfortable,
Speaker 1: everyone needs to feel like their opinions matter, She continues,
Speaker 1: from the runners on set to the young actors leading
Speaker 1: the film. To make sure they're all singing from the
Speaker 1: same hymn sheet doesn't mean that they can't have fun,
Speaker 1: explore and challenge.
Speaker 6: So truly, imagine not being punished for egotistical reasons on
Speaker 6: a set.
Speaker 4: That's really cool.
Speaker 1: Right, because we've talked about so many productions that are
Speaker 1: directed by men almost always that it's like a dictatorship.
Speaker 1: The director is a tyrant. They're cruel, they're abusive to
Speaker 1: their cast and crew.
Speaker 4: It's not what makes them great.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, but it's okay because it's creative
Speaker 2: and just what comes of it, Like Lollie, absolutely not.
Speaker 4: I love.
Speaker 6: I think that this was the thing that was pushed
Speaker 6: back a lot on at during the press cycle around
Speaker 6: everything everywhere all at once. That was another very like
Speaker 6: inclusive and thoughtfully crafted set where it's like, we don't
Speaker 6: want this to ruin anyone's life, we want this to.
Speaker 4: Be a force of good. And what a concept.
Speaker 6: I'm so glad that she has a similar because it's
Speaker 6: also just like showing respect to the people who were
Speaker 6: bringing the vision to life, like yeah, and you can
Speaker 6: really feel I forget if we talked about this earlier,
Speaker 6: but The Fish Islands was another nod to a British
Speaker 6: comedy with Peep Show, Yes, which is like one of
Speaker 6: my favorite shows ever.
Speaker 4: It's so good. I just and that's all I'll say.
Speaker 4: But I love it so much.
Speaker 6: It's just so clear that like Rain Allen Miller put
Speaker 6: a lot of herself into this movie in spite of
Speaker 6: the fact that she didn't write it. It was written
Speaker 6: by I believe, so Nathan Bryan is a British mixed
Speaker 6: race British actor, he's a white father, jamake a mother.
Speaker 6: I believe that Rain Allen Miller also has to ancestry.
Speaker 6: And Tom Malia is respectfully some white guy.
Speaker 2: So I was hoping you were going to say that, Yeah.
Speaker 6: I don't know, but yeah, it feels like, at the
Speaker 6: end of the day, with due respect to the writers,
Speaker 6: this is her movie, because you can just see every
Speaker 6: interview that I've seen with her seems to bear out
Speaker 6: that like this was her vision of what she wanted
Speaker 6: in a movie and didn't have. That also pays homage
Speaker 6: to movies in comedy that she really loves and like,
Speaker 6: what more could you want?
Speaker 1: Totally the one small gripe I have with the movie,
Speaker 1: I'm so excited. There are what I might argue are
Speaker 1: two different surprise kisses. One in the karaoke scene where
Speaker 1: they've like just gotten off stage, and yes they are vibing,
Speaker 1: like the energy is there, but we don't know exactly
Speaker 1: in what capacity, Like is it they're feeling horny for
Speaker 1: each other or is it just the you know, the
Speaker 1: excitement from performing. Either way, yes, kind of springs a
Speaker 1: kiss on Dom without really checking in with him. This
Speaker 1: does lead to them going into a bathroom and making
Speaker 1: out later, so you can presume that he's receptive to
Speaker 1: the kissing. But just like her kind of planting a
Speaker 1: kiss on him without being like, hey should we kiss
Speaker 1: that happens and then at the very end yeahes is like, hey,
Speaker 1: uh so should we go do something? And then he
Speaker 1: like kind of shuts her up by kissing her and
Speaker 1: she is receptive to it and they continue to make
Speaker 1: out and it's cute. But like, I'm like, can we
Speaker 1: do a little bit more in movies and in real
Speaker 1: life to normalize checking in with people before we just
Speaker 1: sort of like facially attack them with our lips just
Speaker 1: a thought.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm like, well, I like the movie, so I
Speaker 6: don't have that nuts.
Speaker 4: But I see what you mean.
Speaker 6: This is a very inclusive world that is still be
Speaker 6: But I think it has to do it. We had
Speaker 6: a simpler conversation around the Before trilogy where it is
Speaker 6: ultimately kind of a pretty straight movie. But I think
Speaker 6: that that has to do mostly with the kind of
Speaker 6: myopic nature of we're following a straight presumably straight couple.
Speaker 4: We don't know for sure throughout the movie. I don't know.
Speaker 6: I'm just like not inclined to knock this movie in
Speaker 6: any way, shape or form. So I'm like, it was canon,
Speaker 6: it was totally fine. And why didn't it have a
Speaker 6: theatrical release outside of the UK?
Speaker 1: Fair question.
Speaker 2: That's how I feel too like it. I do agree
Speaker 2: with like, we could do a lot more work around
Speaker 2: asking or not even making it such a thing where
Speaker 2: it's like, hello, fellow person who I would very much
Speaker 2: enjoy to put lips upon, May I kiss if thou
Speaker 2: you know?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: But I start saying that exactly that way, verbatim.
Speaker 2: Exactly that way all the time. Text me after let
Speaker 2: me know what happened.
Speaker 1: Actually, could you record a voice memo for me and
Speaker 1: then I'll just play that people.
Speaker 2: You take it out and you go give me once
Speaker 2: listen to this. Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Hold on, sorry, I have to find it.
Speaker 2: Hang on scrolling, she texts a lot. But I do agree. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there definitely should could be a lot more work around it.
Speaker 2: I think just in my head, to be honest, like
Speaker 2: as I was watching it, it didn't come to my mind,
Speaker 2: and not until just now where you just said it,
Speaker 2: to be honest, like, I think I was so wrapped
Speaker 2: up within the rom com of it all. And then
Speaker 2: I think also why it didn't hit for me is
Speaker 2: because of the after was like yes they did go
Speaker 2: into the bathroom to make out, and then like yes
Speaker 2: they did, like the camera panned in a fucking circle
Speaker 2: and then it went up into the sky and I'm like, ah,
Speaker 2: that was perfect. Of course he could kiss it, so
Speaker 2: it wasn't something that was It wasn't something that was
Speaker 2: top of mi mba. I definitely do understand how we
Speaker 2: could put more conversation around doing so. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean even in that first one at the karaoke
Speaker 1: bar when she kisses him, he is a little taken
Speaker 1: aback and he's like oh oh, and she's like oh sorry,
Speaker 1: and then he's like aha, wait and then he like
Speaker 1: kind of pulls her into the bathroom and then they
Speaker 1: make out. So like her kissing him sends the message
Speaker 1: to him that like she's down to kiss, and then
Speaker 1: he's like, okay, now let's go make out. So like
Speaker 1: the aftermath, like the results worked out just fine. But
Speaker 1: that's the thing with the surprise kiss. You don't know
Speaker 1: what the aftermath is going to be. You don't know
Speaker 1: how receptive the person is going to be to the
Speaker 1: kiss unless you check in with them first. So I'm
Speaker 1: always just a proponent of being like heyd I okay
Speaker 1: if I kiss you, or to quote you, but I
Speaker 1: forget what you said and I pull up.
Speaker 2: Hello person that I would like to le Hello, fellow person, sorry, hello,
Speaker 2: fellow person that I would like to put my lips upon.
Speaker 2: May if I kiss this thou thou wow?
Speaker 4: So ever after of you.
Speaker 2: I mean, don't make me go watch that movie tonight.
Speaker 6: Why it's been on my mind recently, but it has.
Speaker 6: But nevertheless, no, I I I totally agree with you.
Speaker 6: I think I'm it's so funny because Shelley. Right before this,
Speaker 6: we recorded an episode that Caitlin was like going to
Speaker 6: the mat for.
Speaker 4: And so it's like The.
Speaker 1: Little Rascals is a genius film with great comedy.
Speaker 4: It's okay.
Speaker 2: I I can't wait to hear that episode because I
Speaker 2: have thought, I have thoughts. I have thoughts.
Speaker 6: I have thought, Yeah it is it's fine, it's fine,
Speaker 6: it's fine, and we're safe. Did anyone else have anything
Speaker 6: else to say about this? I mean a big thing
Speaker 6: for me is I'm very happy that David Johnson's career
Speaker 6: has continued to grow. But if Vivian Opara doesn't become
Speaker 6: a movie star, it's curtains like she just like and
Speaker 6: he and again it's like David Johnson's put in the
Speaker 6: position like his character is very withheld. This is the
Speaker 6: only I've seen him in industry in this. I haven't
Speaker 6: seen Alien Romulus, Like they're both so talented. But I
Speaker 6: was just blown away by Vivian Opara.
Speaker 4: Like her performance and her part is something that could
Speaker 4: have been played poorly, where it could have been really
Speaker 4: obvious that like I'm not the confident girl that I
Speaker 4: say I am, but she just pleays it so well.
Speaker 4: I just like I really love her. I can't wait
Speaker 4: to see her and more.
Speaker 2: He was in and I had to look it up
Speaker 2: because I don't know how I came across this show.
Speaker 2: But it's called Dead Hot and okay, there's another guy
Speaker 2: in it name blal has No. I apologize if I
Speaker 2: pronounced his name wrong, but he's in a show called Extraordinary.
Speaker 2: Did you watch that on.
Speaker 1: Hulu where I haven't seen it yet.
Speaker 2: It's so good and I think it's getting another season,
Speaker 2: but at least it has two and in that show,
Speaker 2: Vivie on a part. Isn't that but they co star
Speaker 2: in the Dead Hot show and it's also another British
Speaker 2: like series and it's kind of a one offer, but
Speaker 2: it was last year, but it was really really good.
Speaker 2: And just for Black, he's incredible and extraordinary because that show.
Speaker 2: You can watch that show both seasons in like a day.
Speaker 2: I have many a time. But but yeah, Vivian Apar
Speaker 2: is like a fucking star, like she's a star. And
Speaker 2: I don't know if she has any like more projects
Speaker 2: coming out, which I'm sure because I feel like that
Speaker 2: always happens. We say that and then boom, like oh
Speaker 2: if she hasn't anything, and then boom, like all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, you see something where.
Speaker 4: She's we listened to this in two years in really yeah,
Speaker 4: not to.
Speaker 2: Worry, but I actually have never I think I've seen
Speaker 2: like one episode of Industry, but I knew that that
Speaker 2: was him because my my fiance also I am fiance.
Speaker 2: It's my fiance watches that show, so I didn't really
Speaker 2: know his word. But I think he's incredible in this.
Speaker 2: But yes, she's she's a star. Yeah, she's definitely a
Speaker 2: star for sure.
Speaker 6: I mean, it's just so refreshing to not just see
Speaker 6: two dark skinned black actors starring in a romcom, but
Speaker 6: just like two actors with such amazing chemistry.
Speaker 2: Chemistry was.
Speaker 6: A relief to not see casting by algorithm, which I
Speaker 6: think we've seen so many times in the last handful
Speaker 6: of years. It's just nice to feel like, and hopefully
Speaker 6: you know, in many movies to come, when you see
Speaker 6: a rain Allen Miller movie, she actually cares. If you
Speaker 6: believe that these actors are attracted to each other, you know,
Speaker 6: it's just great.
Speaker 2: And even the other couples within the movie too, right,
Speaker 2: Like I feel like they all had chemistry. Like I
Speaker 2: also believe that Dom's character like they could be friends.
Speaker 2: That of course that's his best friend, right, Like, oh yeah,
Speaker 2: it just is like because they went they had been
Speaker 2: going to school since like elementary sorry primary comary school. Apologies, Yeah,
Speaker 2: but they But I believed that friendship too, And I
Speaker 2: also believe the coupling of that artist and his girlfriend.
Speaker 2: And I definitely believe that a coupling of her ex
Speaker 2: and his new girlfriend. The only one I didn't believe
Speaker 2: was the best friend in Dom's X because what, that's crazy.
Speaker 4: She must be in a really dark place, A dark place.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that is like a scary Yeah I was, she
Speaker 6: was an asshole, but I was also like, and I
Speaker 6: know I was projecting, but like I'm a little worried
Speaker 6: about her, because if you're leaving your sweetheart, you know,
Speaker 6: like long, even if you've fallen out of love over time,
Speaker 6: this is not the guy you jumped to.
Speaker 2: He's an idiot. But he also played dumb so well
Speaker 2: because I watched a lot of the interviews, Like after
Speaker 2: I saw this movie, I couldn't get enough. You ever
Speaker 2: watch a movie, You're like, I need more content, I
Speaker 2: need behind the scenes. So anything that came out on YouTube,
Speaker 2: I'm watching interviews I'm watching like where they make them
Speaker 2: play the little silly games on like Instagram. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's that's so funny. But he's so funny. He's so funny.
Speaker 2: They she created this world that I believed and it
Speaker 2: was this close. I think for most of the runtime
Speaker 2: to be my favorite little mini genre, which is movies
Speaker 2: that take place on one day. So I think for
Speaker 2: most of the runtime it is like the same.
Speaker 4: Day until the last like fifteen minutes.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it counts. It was before coded to me like
Speaker 6: people falling in love over the course of.
Speaker 7: A day, Like you're reading three movies like on a walk,
Speaker 7: which is what when you said that Jamie about like
Speaker 7: being on a walk, right, and you're just falling in
Speaker 7: love on this walk.
Speaker 2: I also I connected with that too because I just
Speaker 2: like to remember my second day with my fiance. It
Speaker 2: was very much we went on a fucking walk, like
Speaker 2: and we ended up at like a restaurant and then
Speaker 2: like all this stuff. But to see that be on
Speaker 2: film but for black people, the Harry met Sally of
Speaker 2: it all, like the Nodding Hill, all of it just
Speaker 2: like this beautiful, awesome setting. Because I know when we
Speaker 2: think of Harry met Sally. We think of the park
Speaker 2: and the leaves changing and all of this, But now
Speaker 2: there's this film out there where instead of like inserting
Speaker 2: myself into it and being like, oh, this could happen
Speaker 2: for me, because I used to put myself in Harry
Speaker 2: met Sally like all the time, right, I'm like, this
Speaker 2: could be me or whatever. But you can only do
Speaker 2: that for so long when you don't see it on film.
Speaker 2: That's why I always go back to Love Jones another
Speaker 2: walking and Falling in Love like film. But then I
Speaker 2: saw it in ry Lane and you're just like, they're
Speaker 2: just hanging out and they don't know they're falling in love,
Speaker 2: but the viewer does, and it's just really dope to
Speaker 2: see it play out. And I think it was just
Speaker 2: like it was played out perfectly. And then the trope
Speaker 2: of like she's extroverted, he's a little introverted. It can
Speaker 2: be so lame, but it worked again here too, because
Speaker 2: I believed in their chemistry so.
Speaker 6: And I love that the truth of how they portrayed
Speaker 6: themselves ended up falling somewhere in between where she wasn't
Speaker 6: as extroverted as she wanted to project herself to this
Speaker 6: guy that she didn't think she was ever gonna see again,
Speaker 6: and just all of these things that like, I don't know,
Speaker 6: I just yeah, it's so exciting to see these like.
Speaker 4: Micro dynamics that you have either witnessed.
Speaker 6: Or experience in a rom com where basically there is
Speaker 6: no there's nothing, there's only things that you are used
Speaker 6: to like aspiring to experience. So yeah, it passes the
Speaker 6: back to test, does it not?
Speaker 2: I didn't know because I yeah, please, I was concerned.
Speaker 2: I didn't know if it did.
Speaker 1: Actually, I think maybe it does between yees.
Speaker 4: Such as you would want it to.
Speaker 1: But it yeah, okay, between yeaes and Jules's moms, yes,
Speaker 1: although they do kind of talk about Dom most of
Speaker 1: their conversation. And then Yes also talks to her best
Speaker 1: friend Cass. She talks to like the people on the
Speaker 1: set of the movie she's working on. Those are very
Speaker 1: like tertiary characters. I don't think we learned their names,
Speaker 1: so you can debate on whether or not those exchanges count.
Speaker 1: The thing about a movie like this where it's so
Speaker 1: hyper focused on a hetero relationship, so it's like a
Speaker 1: man and a woman talking, and like the Before trilogy,
Speaker 1: they will encounter people along the way, but it's really
Speaker 1: focused on them. I do appreciate like the encounters they
Speaker 1: have along the way being with I mean, you get
Speaker 1: queer visibility with like the two moms with Mona, who
Speaker 1: I was trying to figure out if that was intended
Speaker 1: to be a non binary character because they use they
Speaker 1: them pronouns to refer to Mona.
Speaker 6: Not totally sure, and if so, it's again just like
Speaker 6: effortless in a way that if this was a real world,
Speaker 6: you wouldn't have to like stop and be like, hey,
Speaker 6: everybody are real familiar with non binary identity. I will
Speaker 6: say I noticed that. And what sent me over the
Speaker 6: edge is the Bechdel Test Fest, which is based in London,
Speaker 6: where and we've never been invited to kind of interesting, insane,
Speaker 6: but that they were heavily promoting how much they love
Speaker 6: ry Lane and they do not promote movies that don't
Speaker 6: pass the Backtal test, at least in passing.
Speaker 4: I don't think that it passes a lot, but I
Speaker 4: do think that a couple a couple of times it does.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if we're not counted, because that was gonna be
Speaker 2: my thing about counting the cast on set or everybody
Speaker 2: on set, because she's talking to people in wardrobe and
Speaker 2: then the direct you know what I mean, Like, whenever
Speaker 2: she's in conversation, it's always about her and him. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I oh, wait, doesn't she It's not that it doesn't.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say the lady that she compliments in
Speaker 2: the store, but that is too short of an interaction.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's just like cool outfit stranger basically.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think it's a little up for debate
Speaker 1: because a lot of the conversations she does have with women.
Speaker 4: Technically it does, but it doesn't pass.
Speaker 6: A lot a lot, right, Yeah, But I'm also like,
Speaker 6: spiritually to me, and again this is maybe me just
Speaker 6: being defensive, Like, spiritually to me, it does pass well.
Speaker 1: The other thing too about it is and you know,
Speaker 1: we always talk about how the Bechdel test is just
Speaker 1: a jumping off point, like it's not the end all
Speaker 1: be all of Like is this movie feminist?
Speaker 4: It was written as a joke, and it wouldn't.
Speaker 1: If more movies did handily pass, this wouldn't even need
Speaker 1: to be a conversation that we have at all. But
Speaker 1: like in an ideal world where there was far more
Speaker 1: inclusivity in movies and that more movies did have women
Speaker 1: and you know, people of marginalized genders interacting with each other,
Speaker 1: it would be okay for a movie to not handily
Speaker 1: pass as long as it was you know, like doing
Speaker 1: other things for representation purposes, which this movie for sure does.
Speaker 6: And I think it matters of like who's behind the camera,
Speaker 6: because I think a lot of times that we gripe
Speaker 6: about the mental test, it's because we're trying to be like,
Speaker 6: we like this movie, but behind the scenes it's unequivocally
Speaker 6: all white men for the most part, and that is
Speaker 6: just the case.
Speaker 4: Here.
Speaker 6: We have black cinematographer Olin Collardi. We have one woman producer,
Speaker 6: Ivonne is Amazato. We have a woman who edited it,
Speaker 6: which is very rare, Victoria Boydell, who has edited.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 4: People like the movie twelve Monkeys, right, I haven't seen it.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's one of my favorites, right, yeah, Brad Pitt
Speaker 1: and Bruce Okay.
Speaker 2: The only reason I know about sorry about twelve Monkeys
Speaker 2: is because of can't Harley Waite when she there, somebody
Speaker 2: references it in can't Harley Waite.
Speaker 6: I have not seen it, but she is a longtime
Speaker 6: British editor, So I just feel like this movie walks
Speaker 6: the walk in front of and behind the camera, and
Speaker 6: I'm not inclined to be like, well they're because sure, yes,
Speaker 6: there could have been more interactions between women. I think
Speaker 6: that we should never pooh pooh that as something that
Speaker 6: should happen more.
Speaker 4: But it just really does feel. And there's also so
Speaker 4: original music from.
Speaker 6: I haven't heard of him before, but Quays a black
Speaker 6: British musician who has worked with all of these famous musicians.
Speaker 4: And I believe this was his first score.
Speaker 6: Like, you can just feel that this movie is coming
Speaker 6: from a genuine and thoughtful place, and behind the camera
Speaker 6: is just as diverse, and so for sure it passes
Speaker 6: the factual test.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I definitely b with that too, about the behind the camera,
Speaker 2: and then like just how she is in her interviews
Speaker 2: as well, the director, like Ryan is very just Yeah,
Speaker 2: so I vibe with that too.
Speaker 1: As far as our nipple scale, where we rate the
Speaker 1: movie on a scale of zero to five nipples based
Speaker 1: on examining it through an intersectional feminist lens, I think
Speaker 1: this movie does so much and even though it is
Speaker 1: centering a hetero relationship, that doesn't mean it's bad that
Speaker 1: those do happen in the world sometimes and the idea
Speaker 1: is how are they portrayed and framed? And this movie,
Speaker 1: I think does a spectacular job where the characters are
Speaker 1: very very relatable, and their problems are relatable, and their
Speaker 1: personalities are magnetic, and the little love story journey they
Speaker 1: go on feels very grounded. And I think I'll give
Speaker 1: it like four point seven five nipples. I'm gonna dock
Speaker 1: it for the surprise uses that you could argue are present,
Speaker 1: but other than that, I really can't find anything else
Speaker 1: to nitpick about this movie. So yeah, it's gonna be
Speaker 1: very high marks for me. And I'll give my nipples
Speaker 1: to the two leads as well as the director, rain
Speaker 1: Allen Miller, and I'll set aside my point seven five
Speaker 1: nipples for the two moms, and then I'll give the
Speaker 1: final full nipple. I don't know if I'm doing this
Speaker 1: math right at all, but I.
Speaker 2: Think you just want to give it five nipples and
Speaker 2: that way you have more. No.
Speaker 1: I feel very strongly about the kissing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, give it away though, because I have to pee.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Okay, I'll give it to the to
Speaker 1: Rye Lane market.
Speaker 6: Oh, I'm giving you five nipples. I totally hear your criticism,
Speaker 6: and I am and this is problematic of me, but
Speaker 6: I am giving it a pass on vibes. I loved
Speaker 6: this movie. I was like, I don't know, it is
Speaker 6: so nice going into it, because we've watched hundreds and
Speaker 6: hundreds of movies for this show, and there I can
Speaker 6: count on probably two hands when the times that I've
Speaker 6: gone in to watch a movie for this show, and
Speaker 6: it has been clear to me very quickly that like,
Speaker 6: unless something wild happens, this is going to become a
Speaker 6: movie that is like with me for the rest of
Speaker 6: my life. And this was like that rare experience. I
Speaker 6: was so happy. I'm giving it five nipples selfishly, but
Speaker 6: also because I think it deserves it. I wish that
Speaker 6: there were more movies like this, and I am actively
Speaker 6: upset and have my suspicions as to like, why do
Speaker 6: we not have wider releases of black rom coms internationally?
Speaker 6: I think that that is a very pointed thing, because
Speaker 6: there is no reason this should not have gotten a
Speaker 6: wide release internationally.
Speaker 4: It's so is so.
Speaker 6: Many like Country Miles better than rom coms we've gotten
Speaker 6: released internationally in the last several years. It's just like
Speaker 6: if you haven't seen it, go see it. Five nipples,
Speaker 6: distributing them equally between ray Now Miller and Vivian Opara,
Speaker 6: my two parasocial friends.
Speaker 1: Beautiful Shelly, how about you.
Speaker 2: I'm surprisingly giving it five nipples.
Speaker 1: WHOA.
Speaker 2: I know, I'm so sorry to shock everybody. I apologize.
Speaker 2: I know I've been talking so much shit like for
Speaker 2: the past three hours. Five nipples of course, because I think, well,
Speaker 2: four nipples to just like the movie in itself and
Speaker 2: the cast and Vivian and all of them. But the
Speaker 2: main nipple, the one nipple, also goes to just how
Speaker 2: connected I am to this film. I feel like this
Speaker 2: film was a part of a very personal experience for me.
Speaker 2: It was my first sun Dance. I had been invited
Speaker 2: on my own merits, like I write about film and
Speaker 2: pop culture, and I got asked to come to this
Speaker 2: huge fucking thing that like, honestly, a lot of like
Speaker 2: marginalized culture writers, black culture writers specifically don't get invited to.
Speaker 2: And I got invited to this place and I saw
Speaker 2: this movie that made me feel like my whole sort
Speaker 2: of experience of writing and film kind of just came
Speaker 2: all together. And then I learned who was behind the camera,
Speaker 2: and then I got a chance to show it to
Speaker 2: another like a group of just black people who were
Speaker 2: who enjoyed it that night. Is just so close to me.
Speaker 2: It's a rom com story and I love love, love, love,
Speaker 2: love love. So it's like another big part of it
Speaker 2: is that I didn't have to pretend to see myself
Speaker 2: on the screen, and that mattered a lot to me
Speaker 2: because it's twenty twenty five and I oftentimes still have
Speaker 2: to do that. So Yeah, five nipples across the board.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Amazon, oh Shelly, thank you from the bottom of
Speaker 6: our hearts for bringing us this wonderful movie to us
Speaker 6: and the listeners if they haven't seen it, thank you
Speaker 6: so much.
Speaker 2: Of course, thank you for having me. I'm loving this
Speaker 2: is that being here? This is my favorite. Oh wait,
Speaker 2: can I give Can I say something, Jamie? I heard you, Mama,
Speaker 2: I heard you on here to help pod? Okay, Oh
Speaker 2: my god, let me tell you something. I listened to
Speaker 2: very few podcasts nowadays, just because like I feel like
Speaker 2: at one point I was listening to so many. You've
Speaker 2: narrowed it down to like five, of course, one of
Speaker 2: which the beca c is a part of. But I
Speaker 2: was listening and then I said, I know that voice
Speaker 2: because I was I was watching. I was like, and
Speaker 2: that is like one of my favorite podcasts in the
Speaker 2: fucking world. So and you killed it, and I just
Speaker 2: was so excited for you. I know both of you
Speaker 2: are doing such big, cool things, but it's so cool
Speaker 2: when people I know I get to hear them on
Speaker 2: something and I just am so happy for you. And
Speaker 2: you just killed it. It was funny, it was great.
Speaker 4: I was really nervous. I'm glad you.
Speaker 6: I'm glad you liked it because I was, like.
Speaker 2: It was it was awesome. You held you definitely held
Speaker 2: your own for sure. Thank you, Thank you, Thank you
Speaker 2: als for having me.
Speaker 1: Thank you. It's all our treat.
Speaker 4: It's our treat.
Speaker 1: Truly come back anytime. To talk about Boxing day.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, for a boxing day, yes please.
Speaker 2: That movie is so cute and there's gonna be a
Speaker 2: second one. I hear, I don't know, but it's so cute.
Speaker 2: It's so so so cute. It's really cute.
Speaker 4: An extremely boxing day.
Speaker 1: I was going to say, an extremely boxing day.
Speaker 2: Very extremely boxing day.
Speaker 6: I do kind of like this vibe that you are
Speaker 6: foreshadowing your next episode in every previous appearance.
Speaker 4: It makes sense.
Speaker 2: If I can find like a black queer summer movie
Speaker 2: that I love that, I'm just gonna send the email
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Speaker 4: Okay, please do please do amazing.
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Speaker 1: Katherine Volskrosenski. Our logo in merch is designed by Jamie
Speaker 1: Loftis and a special thanks to Aristotle Assevedo. For more
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