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Speaker 2: Shame on you, for me twice, shame on.

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Speaker 3: Me, for me three times, twice as much, shame on me.

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Speaker 3: I cannot believe I allowed you to fool me again.

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Speaker 3: Definitely learned from the first time not to be full.

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Speaker 4: For me four times, shame back on you. Actually, you

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Speaker 4: are picking on a vulnerable man. Something has obviously gone

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Speaker 4: wrong with me. This is like this is like bullying

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Speaker 4: the kid in a wheelchair at primary school. It's like

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Speaker 4: Four times.

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Speaker 5: You go to fool me.

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Speaker 2: Unbelievable for me five times, Shame.

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Speaker 1: On me again.

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Speaker 2: I mean there's I'm vulnerable, But at.

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Speaker 4: Some point you have to take some personal responsibility for crying.

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Speaker 2: Out land.

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Speaker 3: For me six times, told me six times, six times

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Speaker 4: Pretending to be a fool six consecutive times will give

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Speaker 4: you a false sense of security. Only the fripp and

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Speaker 4: now you are a fool, and you have the shame.

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Speaker 2: For me seven times. You saw through my trick. But

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Speaker 1: Good morning Swem and welcome to the No Dunks podcast

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Speaker 1: on the Athletic Network. It's Wednesday, July twelfth, twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 1: I'm Jay Eastkeets, finally back here as a classic factory

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Speaker 1: and alongside me as always, Tasmilis.

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Speaker 5: You made it.

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Speaker 6: Congrats to you, and congrats to Juicy Nibbles. Someone in

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Speaker 6: the stream team who is getting married unless that's fake,

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Speaker 1: Super producer jd. Hello, there he is and here we

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Speaker 1: are as you can see. No trade today. Don't worry,

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Speaker 1: Juicy Nibbles said open invite and open bar. So we're

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Speaker 1: going to a wedding in eleven days. I don't know where.

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Speaker 5: Eleven days.

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Speaker 1: listen to podcasts Task and All discussing last night's MLB

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Speaker 1: All Star Game and the home run derby from the

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Speaker 6: Also, the idea about bringing condiments to a baseball game,

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Speaker 6: Yeah, track his flights.

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Speaker 6: He's an unrestricted free agent. He could literally walk twelve

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Let's break down his market value and what he

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Speaker 6: Or no, no, I don't think so let's be entirely truthful.

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Speaker 1: Well, we even saw his Seacoms two playoff runs as

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Speaker 1: one are we and hence why they're like an average

432
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Speaker 1: five hundred team maybe and maybe this is why we're here,

433
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Speaker 1: Like it's like Ultimately they're picking a direction and trying

434
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Speaker 1: to like cash in if you believe any of these

435
00:21:56,600 --> 00:22:00,680
Speaker 1: rumors in trading like a Siakam. Well, let's talk about

436
00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:02,560
Speaker 1: the teams, because, like I said, the Hawks, the Pacers,

437
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,400
Speaker 1: the Magic have been included. There are a bunch of other,

438
00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,560
Speaker 1: you know, creative ideas out there to get Siakam to

439
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:12,640
Speaker 1: the Knicks or the Clippers or whatever. But I want

440
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Speaker 1: to start with the Hawks because before de Jontay Murray

441
00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,399
Speaker 1: sign his extension four years, one hundred and twenty million,

442
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:23,720
Speaker 1: I know some of that's incentive base, but that was

443
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Speaker 1: the one you were hearing, some sort of de Jonte

444
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Speaker 1: Murray for Siakam. Okay, I could see why, you know,

445
00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,800
Speaker 1: both teams would explore something like that. Absolutely, that's sort

446
00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:38,960
Speaker 1: of gone now with Murray signing, and then people say, okay,

447
00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,919
Speaker 1: they'll include Bogdanovich, you know, Serbian roots, he pair up

448
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:45,920
Speaker 1: with Darko, but he can't be traded until September sixteenth,

449
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:47,080
Speaker 1: so I mean it would be the start of the

450
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Speaker 1: season and all that, but that's not happening anytime soon

451
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Speaker 1: because of a trade restriction on his recent extension. So

452
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,199
Speaker 1: then it's like who, who the hell would the Hawks

453
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Speaker 1: actually want to move off. They have some young talent,

454
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Speaker 1: but you still need contracts of actually get to Siakams

455
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 1: whatever it is, you know, thirty to thirty five there.

456
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:07,240
Speaker 1: Do you see a path here for a Hawks trade

457
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:08,639
Speaker 1: that makes sense for either team?

458
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 6: Gotta say no, I do not see a path the

459
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 6: one that is being thrown around and the one that

460
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:20,679
Speaker 6: works financially. DeAndre Hunter and bogged down Bogdanovich do not

461
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 6: see that at working at all. I'd say from the

462
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Speaker 6: rast prospective, no, no, DeAndre Hunter has not lived up

463
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 6: to his contract. I don't see that happening. The injury

464
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:37,359
Speaker 6: concerns are big even when he signed that contract and

465
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,720
Speaker 6: we had the discussion right here right now. You're paying

466
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Speaker 6: on potential, you're paying on the promise it hasn't panned out,

467
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 6: and then you're getting such a similar player to what

468
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 6: you already have on the wings. That's my worry, Yeah,

469
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,520
Speaker 6: is you need a pall handler and bog down Bugdanovic

470
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 6: as serving as he is, it doesn't really matter. You

471
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Speaker 6: need somebody who's can handle it and has lived up

472
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Speaker 6: to their potential. If you're trading Pascal Siakam, I don't

473
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Speaker 6: see the fit. De Jontay Murray made more sense. But

474
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Speaker 6: de Jontay Murray is absolutely dedicating himself to Atlanta. I

475
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 6: love the tweets and the messages after he signed his extension.

476
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:17,120
Speaker 6: He just wants to be here. He wants to buy in,

477
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,720
Speaker 6: and they've got a guy who's buying. I don't think

478
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 6: they're moving him whatsoever right now. I mean that, Yeah, again,

479
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:27,119
Speaker 6: it could happen down the road, I guess, But I

480
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 6: like that for the Hawks. I like that position that

481
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Speaker 6: they're in. But yeah, like you said, that made way

482
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Speaker 6: more sense.

483
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Speaker 1: When it was de Jonta Murray.

484
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Speaker 6: Potentially, Yeah, I don't think. I don't think they have

485
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Speaker 6: You could say.

486
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Speaker 1: They have young players that are maybe intriguing to the

487
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Speaker 1: Raptors in Aj Griffin, I guess, the Coongloo Johnson, their

488
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:53,639
Speaker 1: new rookie, Kobe Buffkin. I mean, yeah, they have some

489
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,160
Speaker 1: draft capital, I mean their future picks, like twenty nine

490
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Speaker 1: to thirty. They do have the King's first round pick

491
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Speaker 1: in twenty four, so that would you would se be included.

492
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Speaker 1: But like, how many of those young pieces are the

493
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Speaker 1: Hawks gonna say okay for a potential rental. Keep in

494
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 1: mind here, for they're not gonna they're gonna say here's

495
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 1: all four, they might say here's one, and I think

496
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 1: they should if this is at all in play DeAndre Hunter.

497
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Speaker 1: I think they would gladly sort of move for a

498
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Speaker 1: Siakam upgrade, and then it would take probably one, if

499
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Speaker 1: not two, of those young guys. And I think they're

500
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 1: too in love with the cong whu as they should be.

501
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:28,719
Speaker 1: I mean, they're looking to move Capella. We would all

502
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Speaker 1: think for him to get more of an opportunity. And

503
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Speaker 1: then it's like they do they need both Aj Griffin

504
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Speaker 1: and John Johns. I don't know, Maybe not. They would

505
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Speaker 1: do something like that, I think for Siakam, Yeah, but

506
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,879
Speaker 1: not not the whole, not the whole youth movement, and

507
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Speaker 1: not probably all of the draft capital, which is even limited.

508
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Speaker 1: As I said, as it is right.

509
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Speaker 6: This isn't just us being Homer's. I am wearing a

510
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 6: Toronto Blue Jay's jersey right now. But I don't think

511
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Speaker 6: this is enough for the Reps in a trade with

512
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Speaker 6: the Hawks. I know there's potential there. And Jalen Johnson

513
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,680
Speaker 6: absolutely yeah, you know, I love watching Jalen Johnson play.

514
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,399
Speaker 6: I love AJ Griffin play. You got Kyle Kover in

515
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Speaker 6: the front office. Now you've got a guy like a J.

516
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 6: Griffin who should be running off every screen. I don't

517
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 6: know why his role was reduced last year. It didn't

518
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 6: really make a lot of sense to me. But I

519
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 6: think Quinn Snyder's gonna use him a lot. But can

520
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,120
Speaker 6: the Raps get a guard in a trade? I mean

521
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 6: those A J. Griff is not a lead guard by

522
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Speaker 6: any means. He's coming off screens. It'll work with with

523
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Speaker 6: Trey uh and and.

524
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Speaker 5: To John Say Murray.

525
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Speaker 6: I know it's it sounds a little crazy, but I

526
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Speaker 6: think the only one that sort of fits in a

527
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 6: trade here is Trey Young and that's not happening right.

528
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Speaker 6: They're gonna give this a full throated shot him and

529
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Speaker 6: to Johntay Murray here in Atlanta. So I don't think

530
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Speaker 6: the Hawks is a really good match.

531
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Speaker 1: Okay, Indiana Pacers, have you fired up the trade machine

532
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 1: when it comes to them? A lot of trades with

533
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Speaker 1: the with the Raps would start with Buddy Healed and

534
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Speaker 1: his expiring deal. You know, ballpark twenty millions, like nineteen

535
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 1: point three millions, so that would be a big chunk

536
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Speaker 1: of it. Then you'd have to have is it Daniel

537
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 1: Tice is it TJ McConnell. And then and then again,

538
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:12,440
Speaker 1: how many of these young prospects that the Pacers would

539
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 1: potentially move, like, is Mathron off the table? Is there

540
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:19,120
Speaker 1: new pick Walker off the table? Is even Emhart off

541
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Speaker 1: the table? Because they have a lot of draft capital too,

542
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 1: they'd have a lot more that they could at least

543
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 1: throw in in terms of picks.

544
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Speaker 6: Yeah, when you start off the conversation by saying it

545
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 6: would start with Buddy healed, I just I'm not overwhelmed

546
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 6: as a REPS fan. I know now I'm going to

547
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 6: the homework card. But now you're in that same sort

548
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 6: of timeline. But he heals older, and so it doesn't

549
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 6: make a ton of sense. Okay, you got to get

550
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 6: somebody younger. And it's not Daniel Tice, it's not TJ McConnell.

551
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 6: It would maybe the conversation is you got to really

552
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 6: aim high and dream big. Not aim high, but dream

553
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 6: that Andrew Nemhart is going to be a really great player.

554
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 6: And at this point you know you can you can

555
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 6: squint and just and hope he's a Fred van Vleet.

556
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:09,120
Speaker 6: I guess, but that that's a pretty high ceiling for him,

557
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 6: even though he's he's really solid, and we'll contribute. Jaris Walker,

558
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,880
Speaker 6: he's damn good, you know, a little Draymond Green replica.

559
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 6: I guess you'd call him. You'd hope that that would be,

560
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 6: you know, an incredible ceiling for him, But the Piecers

561
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 6: aren't going to do that.

562
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Speaker 5: I don't think he just got the guy, just.

563
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 1: Got the guy. Mathryn obviously looked like a star for

564
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,880
Speaker 1: a couple of months, fell back to Earth and even Okay,

565
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Speaker 1: I think Nemhart could be included in a trade if

566
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Speaker 1: it was for Siakam, Yeah, I do. I think that's

567
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Speaker 1: where they would go. The other two they'd say no,

568
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: they'd more be like, come on, take Nee Smith, come on,

569
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 1: take some more picks.

570
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, and maybe it's the picks. The picks.

571
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Speaker 6: I think it's the pacers. It's the picks that would

572
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 6: sell the reps.

573
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

574
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 6: And yeah, maybe maybe you'd tear it down. That would

575
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 6: be like a tear down, you know, if you're not

576
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Speaker 6: getting back.

577
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. Really, that'd be leaning basically into like a Okay,

578
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 1: we're gonna be one of the worst teams and we'll

579
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 1: just have a couple more bites at the apple and

580
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 1: the draft lottery to get another player or two.

581
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 6: But what about Barnes and og Aren't they leading you

582
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 6: to the promised land? No, no, you're.

583
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 1: Right, they're not right now and maybe not ever is

584
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 1: my concern.

585
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 6: But yeah, sure, yeah, yeah, I think the dream is

586
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 6: here with Pascal Siakam. Even though the packages are dwindling

587
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 6: over the last year, you know, since since the Rudy

588
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 6: Gobert deal, they're just you know, plummeted. It's a player

589
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 6: and a pick, and a good player at that, and.

590
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 5: There's got it.

591
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 6: It's got to be out there somewhere. And yeah, it's

592
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 6: everybody here in the stream team commenting he's a rental.

593
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,239
Speaker 6: He's a rental. He's a rental. I get that, And

594
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 6: that's why I think it makes sense to sign the guy.

595
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 6: And this is like you mentioned, you went through the resume.

596
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Speaker 6: It's a guy who plays, a guy who's really good

597
00:29:55,280 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 6: when he plays. He's freaking all NBA. So I don't

598
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 6: think any other GM would hesitate to say, oh, he's

599
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 6: signed until he's thirty four. The cap is going up

600
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:07,479
Speaker 6: and up and up and up with this new CBA.

601
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 6: I think I think that's fine. So I think that's

602
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 6: probably the smartest move for the Raps to increase his

603
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 6: trade value.

604
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Speaker 1: I agree with that, but I'll push back on this.

605
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 1: All we've heard about the Raptors last season was their

606
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 1: vibes fucking sucked. And I know you want to go

607
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 1: like what vibes? Are you kidding me? But yeah, that's

608
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: all we heard. And a lot of it was maybe

609
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 1: Van Vliet and n siakam as the older guys the

610
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 1: guys that have won the chip with some of the

611
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: younger guys and the butting of heads. And then there

612
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: was Nick Nurse and I think is a big reason

613
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Speaker 1: why he's not there anymore. To sort of shake it

614
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 1: up to get through this, maybe some of the younger players,

615
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 1: to try and get everybody on the same page. And

616
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Speaker 1: I just I'm concerned, especially now when you start folding

617
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 1: in rumors have And I guess he wants to be there,

618
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 1: so that's good, but like, have you lost him? Is

619
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Speaker 1: there going to be a you know, a conflict between

620
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 1: some of your star players, like have we gone down

621
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 1: that road and there's no coming back? Or And I

622
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: guess maybe you would say not because he wants to

623
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Speaker 1: be there by all accounts. So that's good.

624
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, it is great, And they bring in Darko Rayakovich,

625
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 6: who is the nicest man seemingly in the world, and

626
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 6: so he could be the peacekeeper as opposed to Nick Nurse,

627
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 6: who was, you know, a little bit rougher around the

628
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 6: edges and was calling guys out. Will Will Pascali can

629
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 6: be totally fine with Scotty Barnes being more of the

630
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 6: ball handler. And you know, if you want to look

631
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 6: through rose colored glasses, you say, that's why they didn't.

632
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 5: Go this way.

633
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 6: They don't have a lead guard anymore. That's going to

634
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 6: take every single possession. That's not Dennis Shruder, it's not

635
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 6: Gary Trent. They are going to put the ball in

636
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 6: Scotty's hands. So if you know Pascal was, I don't

637
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 6: think he is really part of any sort of problem.

638
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 6: Pascal Is got a lot of opportunities last year. He

639
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 6: was a main cog. He was their go to guy,

640
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 6: and so I don't know, if you know who knows

641
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 6: what the vibes are, that's I think it's fair to

642
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 6: question it because there was some major vibe problems.

643
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they don't want to go through that again.

644
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: It's pretty apparent. Yeah, nor why would you want.

645
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 6: To, Oh, you took two parts out of it now

646
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 6: with Fred and Nick Nurse. Now Fred they seemingly want

647
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 6: to bring back, but that didn't happen. So I don't

648
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 6: think Pascal is going to butt heads with anybody. I

649
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 6: could see him coming back for sure.

650
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 1: So what are these other teams? Then? How do you

651
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: feel about either the Magic or another wild card team

652
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 1: if it's not the Hawks, so you don't think have

653
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 1: sort of enough to get it done, Maybe even the Pacers.

654
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 1: And again the flip side being these teams may not

655
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: want to give up as much as the Raptors would

656
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 1: be asking. And that's one thing we know for sure.

657
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 1: The Raptors are going to be asking, yeah, for the

658
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 1: moon tasks if this is true. I mean, look what

659
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 1: they were asking for, you know og at the deadline,

660
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: it was like, hey, give us some thousand first round

661
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 1: picks and maybe we'll maybe we'll talk, maybe we'll respond

662
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 1: to your text. So you know, they play like that.

663
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 1: That's what Massion Bobby webs are do. Are there any

664
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 1: other potential trade destinations packages things we could like talk

665
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 1: out here that like make some sense.

666
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 6: I'm trying to be fairly reasonable here when I say

667
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 6: a player and a pick, I don't think that's not

668
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 6: asking a lot. It's not no, no, that's I mean

669
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 6: a good player, okay, a good one, a very good one.

670
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 5: The magic could make it work.

671
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 6: I got to hesitate because that Pascal's value, it's it's

672
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 6: I don't know if you're going to get one to one.

673
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 6: I think it's it's gonna be tough with the magic.

674
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 6: I think they have. They have a lot of frontcore players,

675
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 6: and so I don't even know if the Pascal fit

676
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 6: is incredible because they want number one. Paula Bancaro overlaps

677
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 6: a little bit with Pascal Siakam. I mean they're similar,

678
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 6: you know, three point line in create it for everybody

679
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 6: and dominate. So I mean that's a bit of a problem.

680
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 6: They obviously have Fronds Va it's.

681
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: Untouchable, So those two are untouchable.

682
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 5: Probably, yeah, probably, but why not? Why not?

683
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 6: I mean that I think the fronze level is what

684
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 6: you're looking at, Like a Franz and a Faults. Is

685
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 6: that enough to get it done? Franz Folts and Gary

686
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 6: Harris technically math works, you can call that one into

687
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 6: the league. But yeah, you're right, the magic was very

688
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 6: enticing for the Raptors. Yeah, the magic wouldn't want to

689
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 6: do that.

690
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think they're immediately saying Paolo

691
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 1: Franz and probably their new draft pick. You know, it's

692
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 1: look pretty decent in summer League take for what it is,

693
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 1: but untouchable, it's more like there, yeah, okay, what about

694
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 1: Jonathan Isaac? You like the long and lanky guys. What

695
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 1: about you know, Gary Harris, money reasons, we got a

696
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: million guards. You want Suggs? Remember when you were going

697
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 1: to draft him? Yeah, and you and you uh ultimately didn't.

698
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 1: It went with Barnes about Cole Anthony, like, that's the

699
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 1: type of level they're going.

700
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 5: To be going it.

701
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:57,919
Speaker 6: But by position, sure, Jalen Suggs would be probably the

702
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:02,439
Speaker 6: the number one lead target for the Magic to trade,

703
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 6: I'd say, and if you're looking at it, well, he

704
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,320
Speaker 6: fits what the Raps need. But in his two years

705
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 6: since they decided to pick Scotty Barnes over Jail and Sugs,

706
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 6: he's had flashes, but you're not buying him as a

707
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:16,879
Speaker 6: lead guard.

708
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 5: I don't.

709
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 6: I don't think he hasn't shown enough, you know, if

710
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 6: you're in terms of trading Pascal Siakam form So yeah,

711
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,720
Speaker 6: the I don't know if there's really enough of a match.

712
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 6: You need somebody who can handle the ball. If you're

713
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 6: the reps, you want a ball handler. You want somebody

714
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 6: that can that can be pretty decent.

715
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 1: Uh.

716
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 6: You know, Franz isn't a total overlap with with the

717
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 6: other guys. He would be my target on the Magic.

718
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 6: But of course he's damn good. Of course he's he's

719
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 6: really really good as a secondary creator. But I don't know,

720
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 6: I mean, maybe even want you know, more of a

721
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 6: traditional guard guard. So maybe that's not even a great match.

722
00:35:56,320 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 6: And even from the Magic side, you're gonna be Do

723
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 6: you want to roll Siakam, Wagner, not Wagner, Uh that Wagner, Yahiakam, Franz, Wagner,

724
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 6: and Boncaro as your front line. Yeah, that would be awesome.

725
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 6: Actually you probably do that and then move on from

726
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,359
Speaker 6: Wendell Carter or something like that.

727
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: But the other part of this, if it's a true

728
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 1: rental and it's like you know, Siakam's like really plays

729
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 1: that card, that's like, no, I'm not going to be

730
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 1: potentially signing with you, so like look at me as

731
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: one year. If this is really happening, then he almost

732
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 1: you got to start looking at it like the Raptors

733
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 1: did with Kawhi Leonard, that he has to be going

734
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: to a good to really good team that like takes

735
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: them into the potential of even sort of going very

736
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: very far, if not winning a championship, like the Raptors

737
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 1: ultimately did incredibly with Kawhi. Because Sam on the right squad,

738
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,720
Speaker 1: Holy crap, I think as coming in as the second

739
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: third whatever guy. Hell yeah, like you could take that

740
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 1: team to the next level. You know, hawks are they

741
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 1: like borderline there. I think it's a bit of a reach,

742
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 1: but like I can squint and see it, like suddenly,

743
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,839
Speaker 1: you know, adding him to their guard play. Okay, wow,

744
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 1: maybe that is something special that you're suddenly in a

745
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 1: conference finals, if not even in the finals. Maybe. But

746
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: these the Pacers, you know the magic here, A couple

747
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: of these other teams, they're just they're just they're not

748
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 1: there yet, right, So then it's like, oh, we got

749
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 1: to look at as almost like our sort of our

750
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 1: best guy if we want to try and keep him

751
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 1: and pay him as max money, is that what we

752
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 1: want to do with our younger talent? And you're just

753
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: in the situation that the raptors are in then, right,

754
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 1: So that's that's the issue. The Knicks get brought up

755
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: every time now any sort of star players on the

756
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 1: market because they've been accumulating assets for years. They have

757
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 1: a ton of their first round picks, they have a

758
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 1: ton of other teams first round picks, They have talented

759
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:54,359
Speaker 1: young players. R J. Barrett, quickly Grimes. You know, there's

760
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 1: Julius Randall's contract. A lot of people throwing around some

761
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 1: sort of framework Randall, Fournier draft picks for like Siakam

762
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,760
Speaker 1: and Chris Bouchet to make the money work. That doesn't

763
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: doesn't wow me really as a as a raps fan,

764
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: I would probably do it if I were the Knicks.

765
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 1: You know, upgrading Randall Foram is what we're getting out here.

766
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: But yeah, any thoughts on on New York getting in here?

767
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,800
Speaker 6: Could they be a player him over Randall in your lineup?

768
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:26,240
Speaker 6: You do it in a heartbeat. So the way Randall

769
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 6: has been the last couple of years, his value isn't

770
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 6: in incredibly high. It's just it would be as from

771
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 6: the rap side of things, this would be more for picks.

772
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,319
Speaker 6: There's just so much overlap with Randall and and and

773
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 6: Scotty and and O G again, it would be nice

774
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 6: to you really want to guard, It'll be nice, it'd

775
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 6: be nice, right, It's just yeah, the Raps have a type.

776
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 6: Switch it up a little bit. They six', nine wing

777
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 6: after wing after wing after. Wing there needs to be

778
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 6: somebody who can create a little. Bit so as far

779
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 6: as The Nick, GOO i don't really see an incredible.

780
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 6: Fit you can Hope emmanuel quickly as a special player

781
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 6: and maybe make him part of the.

782
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 5: PACKAGE.

783
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 6: Rj barrett would be probably the, best you, know most

784
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 6: upside that you could get from The New York. Knicks

785
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 6: but you're, YEAH i, mean is he gonna be a lead?

786
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 6: Guard SO i as good as he is and he

787
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 6: had a really good playoff. Run, well maybe we're looking

788
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:31,919
Speaker 6: at a three team deal, here just makes sense.

789
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 1: Happen do The raptors need to try and get involved

790
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 1: in the Potential Damian lillard To Miami heat? Trade you?

791
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:41,280
Speaker 1: Bet Does tyler hear? You tyler hero intrigue you enough

792
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 1: to try and get on, that OR i Guess Anthony

793
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 1: simons is a you, know a potential kickback from. That

794
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: there's those two names and then my, favorite when you're

795
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,320
Speaker 1: just talking about like a star guard in the. League

796
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: Zach lowe on his podcast With Kevin, pelton, MAN i

797
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 1: Wish trey was here to talk about. It we'll talk

798
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 1: about it On. Friday what About siakam For Zach? Lavine

799
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 1: is that?

800
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 5: Insane just straight up it.

801
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 1: Works Zach levine's under contract for four years, still you,

802
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 1: know forty million plus a year goes, up up, Up

803
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 1: but there's your guard for forward sort of. SWAP i

804
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 1: thought that was. Fascinating i'm NOT i don't know who says,

805
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 1: yes says who says. No i'm not sure on that,

806
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 1: one which is probably why it's probably a realistic.

807
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 6: Trait both say. NO i could see it from the

808
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 6: raps perspective for. Sure, yeah ridiculously talented. Guy you got

809
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 6: enough ball handlers Around Zach levine where he doesn't have

810
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 6: to be a creator Because barnes can do some of that. Hopefully, yeah,

811
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 6: uh you know shrewder Slash Gary trent can do some of.

812
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 6: That what happens on the bowl side.

813
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: Of, Things, yeah it's weird on that.

814
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 6: Side, YEAH i don't love it as. Much on that.

815
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 1: Side it's getting off of his, contract for.

816
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 5: Sure it's getting off Of zach's.

817
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 1: Contract, yeah if that's the.

818
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 6: Move but, again, like wouldn't you Want pascal if you're

819
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:07,839
Speaker 6: trading for, Him, like why are you Renting? Pascal go

820
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 6: all in with? Him you, know he plays every. Day you,

821
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 6: know he's a talented. Dude you know people would play with.

822
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 6: Him you, know he's a. Winner SO i could. SEE i,

823
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 6: mean this isn't. CRAZY i don't think this is. Crazy

824
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,479
Speaker 6: rap should sign him to the. Extension siakam should sign

825
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 6: up for the. Extension he's. Made he's a self made.

826
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 6: Man he should go get that that contract and then

827
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 6: get traded to The Chicago.

828
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,320
Speaker 5: Bulls which that that's.

829
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 6: A scenario where they're not you, know like you like

830
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 6: you just said about teams wanting to trade For Pascal

831
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 6: siakam to take them over the. Top they're not going

832
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,320
Speaker 6: over the top With Pascal siakam. Though, yeah him and

833
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 6: The bulls are basically The.

834
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: Raptors The raptors with The. Bulls The bulls are just

835
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:55,879
Speaker 1: one game. Better OH i thought we had to trade

836
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 1: there for a.

837
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 6: Second, yeah they they're they're similar, teams but but this

838
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 6: fits better for The. Raps i'd say they get a. Guard,

839
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 6: yeah what about The?

840
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 1: Clippers Kawhi Siakam reunion IN. La they have more than

841
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: enough players to make up matching. Salaries they could get.

842
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:17,240
Speaker 1: There Norman, powell you, know coming, Back Marcus, morris But Toom.

843
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 1: Covington these guys all, make you, know between eighteen and

844
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 1: twelve million. Dollars let's say they have some first round

845
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,360
Speaker 1: picks twenty eight to, thirty they could do pick swaps

846
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 1: in twenty, seven twenty nine would be future. Things Terrence,

847
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 1: MAN i, guess would be the exciting sort of young

848
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 1: prospect that they could. Dangle if that's, enough is there

849
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 1: any path to that or does that not even make

850
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 1: sense for The clippers side of.

851
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 5: Things, Hey i'm From.

852
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 6: Toronto i'm looking at from the wrap side of things to,

853
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 6: START i don't think there's enough to come. Back as

854
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 6: much As Terrence man is a tantalizing type of, PLAYER

855
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 6: i don't think he hasn't. Overwhelmed last year was a

856
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 6: bad year for. Him bringing Back norm would be, hilarious of,

857
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 6: course you, know for a guy who was traded for

858
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 6: still on the roster And Gary.

859
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 5: Trent BUT i.

860
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 6: You, know JUST i think you want a player like

861
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:17,280
Speaker 6: the players that we're talking. About Terrence man is twenty

862
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 6: Six i'm seeing in the stream, team SO i. Correct,

863
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 6: yeah so the word. Procen, yeah he. Hasn't he hasn't

864
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 6: panned out the WAY i thought he would last. YEAR

865
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 6: i thought he'd be a starter for that. Team but

866
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 6: it's an interesting thing with The. Clippers they seemingly don't let,

867
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 6: him don't let him. Flourish they bring Back Russell westbrook,

868
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 6: now so he's not going to be able to play as.

869
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 6: Much SO i don't think there's enough coming back from that.

870
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 6: SQUAD i think the level of player when you when

871
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:52,879
Speaker 6: you Said, Hero, okay we're starting to get into that

872
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:58,760
Speaker 6: level a, decent that solid guy at least at least

873
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 6: all star our potential at the very, least i'd say

874
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 6: at the top. END i don't think The clippers have.

875
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: That so in that, hypothetical goes To, Portland hero goes

876
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:13,439
Speaker 1: To Toronto dame obviously goes To miami in some sort

877
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 1: of crazy three team.

878
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 6: Deal, yeah what are The blazers saying to? THAT i

879
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 6: guess their team is Now Scoot. Shaden they still Have

880
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 6: Jeremy grant and Passcal. Siakam sounds pretty, fun to be.

881
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 1: Honest, yeah my only concert of be like too. Good

882
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:36,439
Speaker 1: they'd be like a suddenly like two average two.

883
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 5: Average it's, like do they want.

884
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:41,280
Speaker 1: To lean into like being sort of just potential, growth

885
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 1: get a couple more, picks either in Trading Damian lillard

886
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:47,800
Speaker 1: getting those picks and then their own in staying.

887
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 6: Bad but if you believe In, scoot YEAH i, KNOW i,

888
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 6: KNOW i. Know if you believe In, scoot then you, say,

889
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 6: Well Pascal siakam as a complimentary. Guy but is he

890
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 6: too old For scoot's peak which is going to be

891
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 6: a few years from. Now is Is siakam the right

892
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:05,399
Speaker 6: guy on that? TEAM i don't, know if they just.

893
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 5: They probably got to go.

894
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 6: Younger this the wild contract For Jeremy grant without a

895
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:16,839
Speaker 6: number one beside him is is Weird and so you're

896
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:20,800
Speaker 6: gonna get double down on that. LOVE i Love Jeremy

897
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 6: grant on a winning, team but he's not on one right.

898
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 1: Now any other teams trade destinations For sam sounds like

899
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 1: you think they're ultimately going to come to an agreement.

900
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 5: HERE i think.

901
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,280
Speaker 1: Extension so you don't Think siakam will do the ultimate

902
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 1: move of, like, No i'm going to try and make

903
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:37,800
Speaker 1: ALL nba, again because he could even make more money

904
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 1: if he went into that there is that because he

905
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 1: didn't make it last, year just missing. OUT i was

906
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:43,840
Speaker 1: taking To West, randalls SO i took a.

907
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 6: Spot oh, Okay Julius. Fret, yeah that's. Interesting is this the

908
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 6: year with the NEW cba where it's just top fifteen

909
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:52,439
Speaker 6: players make ALL nba?

910
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 5: POSITIONLESS i believe that is.

911
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 1: Correct you're, RIGHT i had forgotten about. That you think

912
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 1: that's gonna be very.

913
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 5: DIFFICULT i think that hurts him a.

914
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 1: Bit, yeah, YEAH i could see.

915
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 6: That because every you, know the fourth best centers in

916
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 6: the mix now and more more guards are in the.

917
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 6: MIX i heard him a little. Bit, Anyways ye does

918
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 6: he better on? Himself does he pull A? FREDDY i

919
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 6: think the four for one is probably a damn good

920
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 6: option right. Now there's a lot of, money AND i

921
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 6: think AND i think both sides would would say yes to.

922
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 1: That and then what hope for the best with the

923
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 1: squad and then look to trade him at a, deadline

924
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 1: OR i guess even hypothetically even trade O g at a,

925
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,439
Speaker 1: deadline like if you believe the, reports there were three

926
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 1: draft picks being offered for. Og grizzlies wanted them that

927
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: bad and they still said, no, no, No so that,

928
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 1: again they either believe in og that much that they're, like,

929
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 1: no he is a part of this our long term

930
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 1: plans with Our scotti's and stuff like, that or they're

931
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 1: just a little bit crazy and stubborn and thought they

932
00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 1: could make a run like The heat ultimately did as

933
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,720
Speaker 1: the Eighth.

934
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:04,799
Speaker 6: Maybe, stubborn maybe stubborn is the word for, sure or

935
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 6: maybe those three first round picks aren't three first round.

936
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 6: Picks you, know they're throw some air quotes on? Them

937
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 6: are they top twenty? Protected the first round pick is

938
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 6: a is a vague, TERM i, think, So, yeah who

939
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 6: knows if they're offering three first round. PICKS i, MEAN

940
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 6: i don't know IF i buy that right, then and

941
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:27,839
Speaker 6: it depends on the. Picks But i'm fine with them

942
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 6: loving Og anobi does Does massill love his kids.

943
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 5: A little bit too?

944
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 1: Much?

945
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:37,720
Speaker 6: Yeah maybe, Maybe but they are trying to learn from

946
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 6: what happened with With fred specifically And kawhi to a lesser.

947
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 6: Degree those other guys you, mentioned like A soul and

948
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 6: A baka the career get. It but and they capitalize

949
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 6: On lowry a little, bit not a, lot But lowry

950
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 6: was pretty you, know a sort of at the end

951
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 6: of his, run although he had a great run with

952
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 6: the heat. Here but they're they're not Gonna they're not

953
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:05,800
Speaker 6: gonna do what they did with. FRED i don't think

954
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 6: what would you be upset they run it.

955
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:11,360
Speaker 5: Back it's running it. Back but it's a little, different you.

956
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 1: Know, WELL i mean it's different because we have a

957
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,439
Speaker 1: new coach and this maybe idea that we're gonna test

958
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 1: Out Scottie. Barnes but this is the. Problem it's, like

959
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 1: how much are things really going to change If siakam

960
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 1: still is your best? Player sort of? Significantly, YEAH i

961
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 1: mean we're getting at here is If siakam is your best,

962
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 1: player guess what your team is not going to be

963
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 1: bad enough to be really like in a in a

964
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 1: high high draft pick area because he's too. Good but

965
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 1: you're not going to be good enough that you're really

966
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 1: going to threaten anyone. EITHER i think that's what WE'RE i,

967
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 1: Mean and that's, Again, man if the right team gets this,

968
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 1: GUY i could See siakam in finals, again like you,

969
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,839
Speaker 1: know helping a, team uh maybe even win another. Chip

970
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:54,240
Speaker 1: but it's like as the lead. Guy with the current roster,

971
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 1: construction it's a it's basically capping out it feels like to,

972
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 1: me forty five. Wins, yes people will, say, no you,

973
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 1: know let's get a new, coach let's give him a

974
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 1: chance and all.

975
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 6: That, maybe and let's see What scotty, does see What

976
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 6: scotty develops.

977
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 1: Into but, sure sure there is suddenly becoming a lot

978
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 1: of pressure on This Scotty barnes to have a much

979
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 1: better year that he had last, year which was sort

980
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 1: of abysmal after His rookie of The year.

981
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 6: Season, YEAH i get, That but at the same, time

982
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 6: here like looking at this particular offseason for The raps

983
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 6: and everybody just poop pooing on, them saying it was.

984
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 6: Abysmal they Lost, fred they didn't have to Pay, fred

985
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 6: and what what is the ceiling on that team With

986
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 6: pascal and him being your one. Two we just saw. It,

987
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 6: yeah that's a mediocre. Team so instead of Paying fred Van,

988
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 6: vliet you're going forward with at least a little bit

989
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:53,839
Speaker 6: of promise and the hope That Scotty barnes turns into

990
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:58,840
Speaker 6: something or, yeah all the dogs barking for this phones going.

991
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 1: Off dog's. Barkin you, know we're back in the.

992
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 6: FACT i don't think it was a terrible. Offseason they

993
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 6: signed a twelve million dollar player In Dennis shrewder to

994
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 6: sort of fill the back. COURT i, mean, yes in,

995
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 6: jail McDowell's taking a flyer on. HIM i don't think

996
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 6: it's all that bad considering what they were last. Year

997
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 6: as far as the books, go it's, like, again it

998
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 6: should be an average, team and here we, are at

999
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 6: least with a little bit of. TAKE i, KNOW i

1000
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 6: KNOW raps fans wanted something, different but as far as

1001
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 6: like move to move to move, you, yeah sure you

1002
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 6: could Pay fred into his. Thirties, fine but you're going

1003
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 6: to be an average team and you have to pay other.

1004
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 6: Guys and so this at least this this prospect of

1005
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 6: Seeing Scottie barnes and seeing what he can.

1006
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 5: Do who.

1007
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:54,879
Speaker 6: Knows AND i know there's, yeah there's a, big big

1008
00:50:54,920 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 6: spectrum on What Scotty barnes can. Become yeah, sure, yeah

1009
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 6: but you know they're going to be average With fred

1010
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 6: or average Without, fred and SO i don't think it's

1011
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 6: it's horrendous how they how they went into this coming.

1012
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 6: SEASON i don't think it's that.

1013
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 1: Bad, well let's hear from you guys out there joining us.

1014
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:17,280
Speaker 5: HERE a lot of, Wolves, okay a lot Of, wolves

1015
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 5: talk a lot Of. Wolvestock we're Talking Karl Anthony. Towns

1016
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 5: i've seen some Cat man.

1017
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:24,240
Speaker 1: From The wolf side of. Things.

1018
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 5: Intriguing, intriguing, yeah.

1019
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 1: SIDE i have my feelings About Karl anthony town So

1020
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 1: i'm not as uh as into. IT i get that

1021
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 1: that is like almost that's the perfect example of the

1022
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 1: TEAM i was talking about where it's like the shakeup

1023
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:43,839
Speaker 1: or Adding siakam as like your second or third best,

1024
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:48,240
Speaker 1: player you, know with your alpha dog in your garden

1025
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 1: ant and then you Got golberts obviously your your man

1026
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,319
Speaker 1: in the. Middle that's that's.

1027
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 5: Something what team Does Tias jones play?

1028
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:55,360
Speaker 4: For?

1029
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:56,320
Speaker 5: Again is he a? Wizard?

1030
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 1: Now that's, right BECAUSE i remember we wanted.

1031
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 6: Him, yeah so so a cat And Tias jones For

1032
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 6: Pascal siakam if he was on The wolves Schirt, okay

1033
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:08,319
Speaker 6: so how he ain't? There but you're, Right pascal and

1034
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,799
Speaker 6: The wolves roster as sort of a playmaker beside Go

1035
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 6: beart And Anthony edwards and a Perfect jaden McDaniel's. There,

1036
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 6: SURE i don't, know three way deal you Get Tis

1037
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 6: jones on the?

1038
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 5: Wraps oh my.

1039
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 1: God, also by the, Way Tys jones he played on

1040
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:29,360
Speaker 1: The wolves Like feur years. Ago it's on The.

1041
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:31,399
Speaker 5: Grizzlies he Did, grizzlies he Did.

1042
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 6: WOLVES i, mean he's one of those guys like that

1043
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 6: can fit in on any. Team he's The Monte, Morris

1044
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 6: he's he's just he's just gonna placate. Everybody that's what

1045
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 6: The raps sort of, need but can shoot now they

1046
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 6: Need they need more than that For Pascal, siakam no

1047
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 6: disrespect Test. Jones it's a solid backup, guard but you

1048
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:56,839
Speaker 6: need a star and uh yeah again they just need

1049
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 6: a freaking. Guard they have holes the one in the,

1050
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 6: two not the three four. Five right, Now, look.

1051
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 1: You're on the right path where you're trying to Get,

1052
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 1: wagner or you're trying to get, mathin maybe you're trying

1053
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 1: to Get, simons maybe you're trying to get Hero. Nough

1054
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 1: you just Drafted Grady. DICK i don't know about that,

1055
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 1: one but it's like you start running out of them

1056
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 1: in a. Hurry for teams that would realistically want to

1057
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:21,800
Speaker 1: do the old swap of one of our good guards

1058
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:25,319
Speaker 1: for one of your your best forward because it'll help

1059
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 1: both of, us especially when you took to Jon Te

1060
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:30,720
Speaker 1: murray off the. Table that one was, like, okay step, Banging,

1061
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 1: OKAY i could soar to, see but now that's sort

1062
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 1: of out of play in The. Hawks if, anything they

1063
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 1: would give up maybe some of their young assets to

1064
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 1: add that, third really really good guy and suddenly have

1065
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 1: like a you, know a tiny big three, there whatever

1066
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 1: you want to call. It In, Trey murrayan And. Siakam that's,

1067
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:48,239
Speaker 1: Something BUT i don't know how you get. There you

1068
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:50,839
Speaker 1: tell us, though let's sei you fake. Trades maybe we'll

1069
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 1: do a whole nother podcast on. It let us know

1070
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:55,719
Speaker 1: in the YouTube. Comments you're sharing them right now in

1071
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 1: the stream team tweet them in at no dunk sink

1072
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 1: for all you podcast. LISTENERS i didn't link in the

1073
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:03,239
Speaker 1: show notes To grange's article two if you want to

1074
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:06,840
Speaker 1: read that and make your own opinion on him breaking

1075
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:11,440
Speaker 1: down the potential relationship frame a little bit Between siakam

1076
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:14,840
Speaker 1: and the. Franchise let's get to tweet the.

1077
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:22,320
Speaker 5: Night TWEET o the. Night, wow, damn.

1078
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 1: We just did a cool hour On. Sam trade rumors

1079
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 1: got away from us there for a, Second but this

1080
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:29,919
Speaker 1: is a fun one to take us back To All

1081
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:32,319
Speaker 1: Star game. Talk THE Mlb All Star game on last

1082
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 1: night AT M, brown one of my favorite follows On, twitter,

1083
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:39,839
Speaker 1: tweeted players should wear their own jerseys in Every All

1084
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 1: star game in every. Sport this used to be a proper.

1085
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 1: Country and we got a photo here of you, know

1086
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 1: the Nineties All Star games where all the guys are

1087
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 1: wearing their their their colored jerseys for you, know the

1088
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 1: road team and then you got the other team in

1089
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 1: their whites as the home. Team and you know baseball

1090
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 1: something similar where they would rock their own either the

1091
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:04,360
Speaker 1: roads or the. Homes AND i was just curious on

1092
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:06,799
Speaker 1: your thoughts on this task BECAUSE i, saw you, know last,

1093
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:10,400
Speaker 1: night a lot Of twitter discourse about what are these

1094
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:14,720
Speaker 1: what are these baseball? Jerseys These american and national? Jerseys

1095
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:16,760
Speaker 1: and we go through it all the time with THE nba.

1096
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 1: Ones do you? Agree?

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00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:22,279
Speaker 6: Yeah my wife this morning went to bed during The

1098
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 6: All Star. Game she woke, up she, said who won The?

1099
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:25,880
Speaker 5: National The?

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00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 6: American it's funny when you say it like, that you

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00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 6: See american Or national on the. JERSEY i know THAT

1102
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:35,399
Speaker 6: jd loved The american, Jerseys American league.

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00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:38,279
Speaker 1: Jerseys green ones were? They, yeah it's a beauty. Green,

1104
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:40,360
Speaker 1: yeah it was a nice. Green it's because we're In.

1105
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 1: SEATTLE i guess, right as though they were playing off of.

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00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:46,720
Speaker 7: Ice AND i started had like almost waves built into

1107
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:49,239
Speaker 7: like it looked like the. Ocean both of them, did

1108
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 7: but the the. AQUAMARINE i like the vibe of.

1109
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 6: Them but when you see everybody wearing their own unique,

1110
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:57,360
Speaker 6: jersey it was.

1111
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 1: Better it definitely looks better and you can differentiate between

1112
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 1: the players a lot. EASIER i think there is that

1113
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:04,760
Speaker 1: part as. Well watching the, game.

1114
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:06,279
Speaker 7: The casuals can recognize them.

1115
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 1: Totally and if it's An all star game should be

1116
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 1: so you're really tapping into, Right.

1117
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:12,799
Speaker 6: Yeah, YEAH i think the biggest argument for having the

1118
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 6: uniform jerseys the The west Or east or whatever is

1119
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 6: selling new.

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00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:20,399
Speaker 5: Jerseys, yeah BUT.

1121
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:23,239
Speaker 1: I want to do they? SELL i really want to

1122
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:24,319
Speaker 1: know THAT i.

1123
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 6: Want but the ARGUE i wanted to the argument for

1124
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:30,720
Speaker 6: also wearing their own unique, jerseys their their team jerseys

1125
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:33,840
Speaker 6: is that's got to produce some sales, too.

1126
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 5: Right you you just see their. Jerseys why can't we do?

1127
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:39,799
Speaker 1: Both why not take?

1128
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:42,279
Speaker 5: Half well change it half change it?

1129
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:46,840
Speaker 1: Half? SURE i meant. More, okay A Blue jays player

1130
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 1: is in the game rocking something similar to what you're.

1131
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 1: Rocking Gorgeous Baby blue test has on for you podcast,

1132
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 1: listeners but like take do a customized version of all

1133
00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 1: the team's, jerseys like maybe within The toronto like writing

1134
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:03,719
Speaker 1: or something like there's a similar element to all of.

1135
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:06,720
Speaker 1: Them you know What i'm. Saying yeah that, like, okay

1136
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:10,799
Speaker 1: this aquamarine green is like incorporated into all of The

1137
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:13,839
Speaker 1: american jerseys of the players that are. There and then

1138
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 1: you know the flip side for the national, team it's

1139
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 1: orange and there's like some accents or something like. That

1140
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 1: but like keep at its core the jersey of the,

1141
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 1: team but it's a little. Unique, yeah people may want

1142
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 1: to buy that best of both, worlds baby and this

1143
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 1: would go to the to THE nba game, too. ETCH

1144
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 1: i MEAN i love those old photos. Words it's, like,

1145
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 1: oh There's weber in his black, jersey There's garnett and his,

1146
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 1: Green LIKE i think it looks so. Sick it just looks.

1147
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 1: Cooler it looks cooler generic blue and red ones that

1148
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 1: we've seen over the last couple of.

1149
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 6: YEARS i don't know IF i have the faith and

1150
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:49,280
Speaker 6: the designers to make like, fifteen let's, say or thirty

1151
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 6: really like thirty unique, jerseys you know WHAT i? Mean

1152
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:54,720
Speaker 6: to take the tea In toronto to take THE u

1153
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:57,680
Speaker 6: In utah or whatever and and make it good. Enough,

1154
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:00,240
Speaker 6: Yeah i'm just a little worried about. That look at

1155
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 6: the jerseys every year and everybody, says, Whoa and that's

1156
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 6: just one. DESIGN i, KNOW i know it is a

1157
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 6: little different in that you're just you, know mocking up

1158
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 6: a letter or. Whatever but, YEAH i like the way

1159
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 6: it looks. Too AND i think you. MAY i think

1160
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 6: you sell.

1161
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 5: STUFF i think you sell plenty of.

1162
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 6: Jerseys and then there's the name recognition part of. It

1163
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 6: baseball is a whole other level where you don't know some.

1164
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 1: Guys, Yeah, baseball for, sure you want.

1165
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 5: To see what team they're.

1166
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 6: Wearing AND i Think basketball's for the casual. FAN i

1167
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 6: THINK i think it helps to, see especially like you,

1168
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 6: know maybe a guy a little bit lower down on

1169
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 6: the totem, pole like do you know what jerseys stuff?

1170
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 6: Wears but, no he could wear his fourth jersey and

1171
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 6: the Fourth warriors jersey and that would create some. Sales

1172
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:48,439
Speaker 6: So i'm with. YOU i DON'T i don't really get

1173
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 6: the whole we gotta do to The, east we gotta

1174
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:51,440
Speaker 6: do The.

1175
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 1: West i'm convinced if we had a poll on, this

1176
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 1: it's like ninety percent plus of people agreeing with at

1177
00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 1: m Up brown and agreeing with, us and people like, say,

1178
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 1: yeah go back to wearing your own jerseys or maybe

1179
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:05,240
Speaker 1: some variation of them in These All star. GAMES i

1180
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 1: don't think there's not a lot of people out. There

1181
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 1: it feels like that are like outside of, like oh,

1182
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:12,160
Speaker 1: yeah that maybe is a cool, design but like you

1183
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:16,440
Speaker 1: show those, photos it just looks. Better, overall how was the?

1184
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:19,400
Speaker 1: Game CAN i get to THE Mlb All Star game breakdown?

1185
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 1: QUICKLY i will go listen To No? Buns but overall

1186
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 1: was it?

1187
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 5: Good it was?

1188
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 6: Good, yeah the game goes, quickly you say? Quickly, yeah, well,

1189
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:32,840
Speaker 6: yeah it started a little, late that's for. SURE i

1190
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:35,920
Speaker 6: don't think there was A canadian national anthem. Played what

1191
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 6: There's canadians there so THAT i don't think there Was

1192
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 6: Unless i'm. Wrong there wasn't for the home run, derby

1193
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 6: that's for. Sure but, ANYWAYS i don't know how it started,

1194
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:46,360
Speaker 6: late But seattle was a great ballpark to do, it

1195
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 6: and it felt LIKE i was. There it felt LIKE

1196
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:52,480
Speaker 6: i was feeling the breeze in my. Armpits it felt it,

1197
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:55,160
Speaker 6: felt it felt. Lovely it felt. Lovely, yeah it. Was

1198
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:58,440
Speaker 6: it was a good. GAME i thought that the production

1199
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 6: was on.

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01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 1: Point oh they made up for the production from the

1201
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 1: home run derby then BEFORE i, know they're.

1202
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 6: Putting a tough spot. Different, yeah they got a brutal. Watch,

1203
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:09,439
Speaker 6: yeah we had a long talk about.

1204
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 5: That it's. Tough it is a very tough.

1205
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:13,960
Speaker 6: Spot but there was a lot of good miked up

1206
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 6: segments while they. Play even pictures like while they're on the.

1207
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 7: Hill that was crazy and he's like getting, ready he's

1208
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 7: saying what he's, wait what are you throwing? Cutter, yeah,

1209
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 7: Yeah i'm going to cut. Her, yeah didn't even cover

1210
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 7: his mouth. Either that's The All Star game. Exactly so

1211
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 7: the production was pretty. Good baseball is getting and there's nothing.

1212
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:39,200
Speaker 1: On the line anymore in THE Mlb All Star game

1213
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:42,320
Speaker 1: used to play for home field or home field advantage.

1214
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:44,080
Speaker 5: Right in The World. Series, yeah they've got rid of.

1215
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:46,600
Speaker 5: That they got rid of. That were you too? Much

1216
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:46,960
Speaker 5: were you.

1217
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:49,800
Speaker 1: Hoping for a? Tie BECAUSE i did see that there's

1218
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:52,440
Speaker 1: a like if it's was it tied after the nine,

1219
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 1: innings they would have like basically a little mini home run.

1220
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 5: Derby, yeah a short. One been.

1221
01:00:57,160 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 6: Fun, yeah and actually it was uh broken while the

1222
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:05,920
Speaker 6: guy was Doing While Julio, rodriguez centerfielder or The, mariners

1223
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 6: was doing his micd up, segment he was asked are

1224
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:10,320
Speaker 6: you part of the list.

1225
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:11,880
Speaker 5: To be in the home? Runnerby after he goes, no

1226
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:15,040
Speaker 5: which was. Surprised what's the whole town?

1227
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:18,160
Speaker 6: Guy BUT i guess because he was in the home run,

1228
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:20,480
Speaker 6: derby they want to be fair and give it give

1229
01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:21,479
Speaker 6: a shot to other.

1230
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:22,640
Speaker 5: Guys that'd be.

1231
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 1: Weird, yeah he should have been the anchor if it

1232
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:25,800
Speaker 1: had gotten to.

1233
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:26,480
Speaker 5: That, YEAH i think.

1234
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:27,680
Speaker 1: AMAZING i think it would have been.

1235
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:30,280
Speaker 6: Short it wouldn't have been LIKE i think it was

1236
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:32,120
Speaker 6: like three swings for three guys or something like.

1237
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:32,440
Speaker 1: THAT i.

1238
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 5: WAS i was ready to go to.

1239
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:38,320
Speaker 6: BED i mean had to get up and do two

1240
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:41,760
Speaker 6: p casts this. Morning so it was a little. Little

1241
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:46,280
Speaker 6: it was getting laid on The east, coast but uh,

1242
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:47,400
Speaker 6: yeah pitch counts.

1243
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:50,200
Speaker 1: Working. Though even in The All Star, game it was all,

1244
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:52,720
Speaker 1: right we'll go check out No bunts task And joel

1245
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:54,919
Speaker 1: breaking down last night's. End i'll Be All Star game

1246
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 1: and talking the home run. DERBY i joined those. GUYS

1247
01:01:57,280 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 1: i was in the. CHAT i should say for the.

1248
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:01,880
Speaker 1: Playback that was a lot of. Fun along WITH. Jd,

1249
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:06,600
Speaker 1: there what's our next? Playback can it be, WELL i don't,

1250
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:11,240
Speaker 1: know JUST Us Summer League championship? Game, no not?

1251
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:15,160
Speaker 5: INTERESTED i mean it. WOULD i think it's.

1252
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 6: FINE i think it's just us hanging.

1253
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 5: Out, yeah that's. True we don't have to watch.

1254
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:22,560
Speaker 1: Anything if we're being, honest we could do some sports.

1255
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:25,080
Speaker 6: Things, yeah let us know if you want us to do,

1256
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:27,280
Speaker 6: it even in this time, slot like even if we

1257
01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:28,920
Speaker 6: just come in, here not do a podcast to a?

1258
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:35,040
Speaker 1: Playback, wow morning playback. Fascinating as we wrap up, here

1259
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:37,240
Speaker 1: a huge thank you to everybody that came out to

1260
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:41,479
Speaker 1: our meet and greet In Las vegas a couple of days.

1261
01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:44,200
Speaker 1: Ago we had a great. Time thought there was an

1262
01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:47,480
Speaker 1: incredible turnout for something that we gave very short notice.

1263
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:48,760
Speaker 1: On so thanks to.

1264
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:50,240
Speaker 5: Everybody very.

1265
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:52,120
Speaker 1: SHORT i mean really we told him like a week.

1266
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:55,520
Speaker 1: Before so thanks. Everybody we we had a lot of.

1267
01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:58,680
Speaker 1: Fun some of us had too much fun In vegas

1268
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:02,200
Speaker 1: and we can leave it at, that but we should

1269
01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:05,000
Speaker 1: be back On. Friday who, knows you, know a little,

1270
01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:08,000
Speaker 1: trade a hard end, trade a sham. TRADE i guess

1271
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:10,360
Speaker 1: we will try and do our best to hit you

1272
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:14,400
Speaker 1: with an emergency Podcast, otherwise Though Friday's drop, PODCAST i

1273
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:16,760
Speaker 1: think we can talk a little bit about standout performances

1274
01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:19,760
Speaker 1: From Summer, league a little roundup of some of the other.

1275
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:22,960
Speaker 1: NEWS i know we've just focused On sakam, here but you,

1276
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:25,640
Speaker 1: Know Isaiah stewart getting a. CONTRACT i guess you guys

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