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Speaker 2: Cavaliers and the Thunder last night. He'll join us coming
Speaker 2: up in a couple of minutes. Greg McElroy, former Alabama quarterback,
Speaker 2: won a national title. He'll be on the call for
Speaker 2: the Mothership with Notre Dame versus Penn State. Notre Dame
Speaker 2: favored by one and a half. It's been that round one,
Speaker 2: one and a half.
Speaker 3: Two.
Speaker 2: Ohio State six, five and a half, six and a
Speaker 2: half against Texas. That'll be tomorrow. Chris Faller will be
Speaker 2: on the call for that game. He'll join us coming
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Speaker 2: Decie Matsuyama leading a stacked field the Wilei Country Club,
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Speaker 2: Wilei Country Club. That always brings back memory. I was
Speaker 2: out there for a Sandler movie, the movie Just Go
Speaker 2: with It, and I was there with Brooklyn Decker, Nicole Kitman,
Speaker 2: Jennifer Aniston, and I was a night club owner. And
Speaker 2: the night before I'm going to shoot my scene, Nick Schwartzen,
Speaker 2: Schwarty stand up comedian, says let's go out. Let's go drinking.
Speaker 2: And I said no. I said, look, you're double A
Speaker 2: and I'm a Hall of Famer. We're not going to
Speaker 2: do this. And he said no, let's go. I said, okay. Now,
Speaker 2: Adam Sandler has one rule, and that one rule is
Speaker 2: to make sure you don't end up in the newspaper,
Speaker 2: don't get arrested. So we go out and we went
Speaker 2: to Tommy Bahamas. They had a store and a bar,
Speaker 2: and we get there and we're doing mind Erasers. Well
Speaker 2: I'm not a mind eraser guy, but we started doing
Speaker 2: some mind Erasers and a couple other beverages. And I
Speaker 2: say good night to Nick Schwartzen because I have to
Speaker 2: shoot the next day. Next day, can't find Nick Schwartzen,
Speaker 2: He's supposed to be in a movie. Can't find him
Speaker 2: in the morning, can't find him in the afternoon. Late
Speaker 2: in the afternoon, I'm shooting my scene. He comes in.
Speaker 2: He has sand all over his hair and he had
Speaker 2: actually fallen asleep in one of the sand traps on
Speaker 2: the Whyline golf course. He lost his phone, but he
Speaker 2: as he said, I didn't make it in the newspaper.
Speaker 2: I didn't get arrested. But he was like fifty feet
Speaker 2: from his hotel. He just took a right instead of
Speaker 2: a left and ended up in a sand trap. Yes, Pauling, imagine.
Speaker 4: You're the greenskeeper. You're you show up, let's say Schwartz
Speaker 4: and left. He got back, but you go to the green,
Speaker 4: you go to the you're to break up the bunkers,
Speaker 4: and there's an outline of a body in the bunker.
Speaker 2: I'm going to guess that's happened before, by the way,
Speaker 2: But yeah, Nick Schwartzen Wilei Country Club. Great memories there.
Speaker 2: Mike Breen ESPN, ABC, NBA play by play commentator on
Speaker 2: the call last night Cleveland against Oklahoma City. Did it
Speaker 2: feel like a finals preview to you?
Speaker 5: It did a long way to go, and there's a
Speaker 5: lot of teams that will have to say about that.
Speaker 5: But the buzz in the place, it just was different.
Speaker 5: I had to keep reminding myself it's January eighth, so
Speaker 5: easy does it? But it had a spectacular feel. You
Speaker 5: could tell the players were so fired up and so
Speaker 5: into it. You know, they're all trying to say it's
Speaker 5: a regular game, but it wasn't. They knew it, The
Speaker 5: crowd knew it. It was. It was really wonderful for
Speaker 5: a game on January eighth.
Speaker 2: When you do a show, when you if it's on
Speaker 2: the Mothership or radio show, whatever you like, to play
Speaker 2: the hits and the Cavaliers aren't playing the hits. But
Speaker 2: they've gotten to that point, Mike, They're thirty two and four.
Speaker 2: You can't ignore the topic. This is one of the
Speaker 2: great starts in the history of the NBA. Do you
Speaker 2: get that? And so people are really struggling to grab
Speaker 2: a hold of this. Certainly Cleveland, Oklahoma City, we expect
Speaker 2: them to be maybe there in the finals. Cleveland, they've
Speaker 2: been a really good team, but they just haven't been,
Speaker 2: you know, in the headlines because Lebron's gone.
Speaker 5: Couldn't agree more. It's like I even said in our
Speaker 5: open I repeated the record to Richard Jefferson, not because
Speaker 5: he didn't he didn't know it. Obviously he knew it,
Speaker 5: but it just sounds crazy to say that the Cleveland
Speaker 5: Cabs are thirty two and four, and they're that good.
Speaker 5: They're really that good. And I think the fact that
Speaker 5: the betting line now still has the Boston Celtics the
Speaker 5: clear favorite to come out of the East, despite the
Speaker 5: fact that the Caves are doing this, and it's you know,
Speaker 5: it's a credit to the whole organization from Kobe Altman
Speaker 5: who made the roster, the patience to keep the roster
Speaker 5: and not make you know, sudden changes because they lost
Speaker 5: in the first round two years ago and got beaten
Speaker 5: pretty bad in the second round last year, although it
Speaker 5: was injuries. They just they play such fun basketball to
Speaker 5: watch because they play team basketball.
Speaker 2: I have a bet here with Marvin and uh I
Speaker 2: think there'll be two Cavaliers name to the All Star team.
Speaker 2: He says four.
Speaker 5: Won't be four. I think three is a really good bet.
Speaker 5: I think Mitchell Mobley and and Darius Garland. Although Jared
Speaker 5: Allen in the last couple of weeks he's played as
Speaker 5: well as any of them, so it's it's gonna be interesting.
Speaker 5: It'll be interesting to see. I think four is a
Speaker 5: lot because you know, you know, Boston has definitely two.
Speaker 5: New York has definitely two. Although there was a couple
Speaker 5: of normal guys that get on that aren't going to
Speaker 5: make it, so I wouldn't count it out. They certainly
Speaker 5: deserve it. It's you know, like you said, it's it's
Speaker 5: one of the greatest of any era, of any team,
Speaker 5: of any franchise. It's one of the greatest starts that
Speaker 5: the league has ever seen.
Speaker 2: If you were going to describe Shay Gilgis Alexander to
Speaker 2: somebody who hadn't seen him play, how would you do it?
Speaker 5: A magical control of his body and no matter where
Speaker 5: he goes, no matter what he does, an incredible poise
Speaker 5: where nobody can speed him up and nobody can really
Speaker 5: stop him kill her instinct. And even though you know
Speaker 5: he's averaged so many points, he is such a team
Speaker 5: first guy. Everything about him he's he's it's hard to
Speaker 5: do it in just a quick sentence. He's got this
Speaker 5: supreme confidence but at the same time humility. He's just
Speaker 5: he's a perfect guy to kind of take over the
Speaker 5: throne of of of the superstars now with some of
Speaker 5: the some of our greats aging. Everything about him is
Speaker 5: is just wonderful from a from a league standpoint, in
Speaker 5: terms of being the guy that you know, could lead
Speaker 5: the next generation.
Speaker 2: I kind of see some Kawhi Leonard comps with him,
Speaker 2: because Kawhi had an ability when he was healthy to
Speaker 2: control the tempo of a game. Not necessarily a three
Speaker 2: point shooter, but had that ability to if he wanted
Speaker 2: to take you inside or that mid range jumper. And
Speaker 2: you know, maybe similar size. I don't know if Shae
Speaker 2: is a little bit taller, but do you see that
Speaker 2: comp Yeah.
Speaker 5: No, I like that because neither one of them you
Speaker 5: would say, are fast. They're both athletic, but that's not
Speaker 5: what they rely everything on. They're both super smart, you know.
Speaker 5: I think that's a big part of it. Shay smiles
Speaker 5: a little bit more than Kawhi, but it's, you know
Speaker 5: what the two The other thing you could say about
Speaker 5: the two of them, and this is something Munch He
Speaker 5: could play in any era. He could have played in
Speaker 5: the sixty his game because he kind of incorporates every
Speaker 5: everything from from the way players scored sixty seventy, you know,
Speaker 5: the nineties. He can take the physical style of the nineties.
Speaker 5: You know, he's improved on his three point shooting of
Speaker 5: today's current game. He's one of those guys that he's
Speaker 5: just He's just a great basketball player that could play
Speaker 5: in any era.
Speaker 2: We're talking to Mike Breeney, you know, ESPN, ABC, NBA
Speaker 2: play by play commentator on the call last night, calves
Speaker 2: in the thunder. How often do you get somebody coming
Speaker 2: up to you and say, hey, Mike, can you give
Speaker 2: me a bang?
Speaker 5: You really want to know? When I go into an arenas,
Speaker 5: it's it's all the time, and i take it as
Speaker 5: a as a compliment, and I'm flattered, like you wouldn't
Speaker 5: believe that that people say that. But when they start
Speaker 5: the kids start shoving the phone in your face and
Speaker 5: they're yelling, say bangs. It's sometimes it gets a little much.
Speaker 5: But I'm again, I'm so flattered by it that this
Speaker 5: one word has been so good to me.
Speaker 2: Okay, but wait a minute, how do you do that
Speaker 2: when somebody says, hey, Mike, will you say bang? Do
Speaker 2: you just go bang?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 4: What?
Speaker 5: What? Sometimes? I just go bang? Well, sometimes I'll say that.
Speaker 5: I if it's after a game, I'll say I lost,
Speaker 5: I lost my boys.
Speaker 6: Wow.
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 2: What constitutes or warrants a double bang?
Speaker 3: There?
Speaker 5: There's no formula. Yeah, it's it's strictly off the flow
Speaker 5: of the game. What's going on? And wow, is this
Speaker 5: this stumble of it? It really just comes out. I wish
Speaker 5: I had a better answer. I'm sorry, you know, I'm
Speaker 5: next time we're on, I'm going to come up with
Speaker 5: a better answer.
Speaker 2: I got to help you with your profile here. I mean,
Speaker 2: let's let's embrace it. Do we do we have a copyright?
Speaker 2: Do we got T shirt?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 2: What are we doing?
Speaker 6: Mike?
Speaker 5: First off, you've always been helpful, so I appreciate any
Speaker 5: additional help. I don't don't have copyright. I have I
Speaker 5: have a T shirt, but that's just one. I never
Speaker 5: thought of selling it. And you know, here's the interesting thing,
Speaker 5: And I don't know if you and I have discussed this.
Speaker 5: I'm not the first one to use it. And I
Speaker 5: didn't know this until later. Johnny Most used to say
Speaker 5: bang when he did Celtics radio back.
Speaker 6: In the day.
Speaker 2: You weren't aware of that.
Speaker 5: You just were not aware of it. And his son,
Speaker 5: his son, who was in the business, Jamie, his son,
Speaker 5: alerted me to it. And I think right after I
Speaker 5: found that out, I did bang in a Celtic game
Speaker 5: and I said, that's dedicated to the great Johnny Most.
Speaker 5: But you know, back in the day. We didn't if
Speaker 5: you weren't in that town, you didn't know or listen
Speaker 5: really to the radio voices of other teams. Now you
Speaker 5: could listen to the entire broadcasts of other teams no
Speaker 5: matter where you are. But I didn't know it at
Speaker 5: the time.
Speaker 2: I watched when Ba Yama, when Ben Yama the other
Speaker 2: night against Joker, and I said the following day, he's
Speaker 2: going to win an MVP before he's twenty five, if
Speaker 2: you don't now. I didn't have a great scoring night,
Speaker 2: but he's got like a he can shoot the three.
Speaker 2: You know, he's a force. At the other end. I'm
Speaker 2: trying to figure out what is going to be his weakness,
Speaker 2: like Yanna's is not a great shooter, you know, these
Speaker 2: guys have weaknesses. But Wemby looks pretty polished, Mike.
Speaker 5: He does everything really well. And I agree with you,
Speaker 5: in a matter of a year or two, he's going
Speaker 5: to be great at everything. I mean, there's certain things
Speaker 5: he's great at now. But he doesn't really have a weakness.
Speaker 5: You know, he's going to get stronger every year. He's
Speaker 5: improved on his perimeter game every year. But his is
Speaker 5: just his instincts, his feel for the game and his
Speaker 5: desire to keep working every single day to get better.
Speaker 5: When you talk to this Furst people that they they're
Speaker 5: pinching themselves because not only is this kid such an
Speaker 5: unbelievable talent, but his his makeup mentally and his desire
Speaker 5: to be the best who's ever played is just is
Speaker 5: off the charts. So I would not bet against you
Speaker 5: on that. Twenty five. Now, he's going to win multiple MVPs,
Speaker 5: that's for sure. I don't know by what age, but
Speaker 5: he's going to win multiple.
Speaker 2: If I said to you, you have to pick one
Speaker 2: of the two teams most likely to be in the
Speaker 2: finals of the two teams last night.
Speaker 1: Not going to do it.
Speaker 3: Not going to do it.
Speaker 5: I'm sorry. There's so much you know what The cool
Speaker 5: thing is, there's so much time left, and because this
Speaker 5: year there's a possibility of a number of players, like
Speaker 5: really good players, who are going to change teams by
Speaker 5: the trading deadline. That could absolutely swing who's the favorite.
Speaker 5: So that's what I find fascinating. So there might be
Speaker 5: a team that we're thinking they'll make the playoffs, but
Speaker 5: they won't do much. All of a sudden, they pick
Speaker 5: up one or two guys and now their favorites to
Speaker 5: get to the finals. So it's really hard to do that.
Speaker 2: Right now, who retires first, Lebron, Steph or KD.
Speaker 5: KD is going to keep playing for a long time.
Speaker 5: Steph is still loving and Lebron is still loving too.
Speaker 5: I think maybe Lebron because he's starting to drop hints.
Speaker 5: But then again, he also just said that he knows
Speaker 5: he could contribute until he's fifty, which he could. And
Speaker 5: that's the crazy thing, Like if he wanted to, he
Speaker 5: could be fifty years old and probably average fifteen six
Speaker 5: and four. I mean, he absolutely could do it.
Speaker 2: Could you ever see him rank higher than Jordan?
Speaker 5: I don't. Here's another cop out. Don't be mad at me,
Speaker 5: but I refuse to ranked players from different eras. It's
Speaker 5: just it's impossible. I mean, whether you want to talk
Speaker 5: about Russell or Chamberlain or Alcindor or Kobe or Lebron
Speaker 5: or Michael. I mean, it's hard to ever argue against
Speaker 5: Michael Jordan. But my favorite saying is comparison is the
Speaker 5: thief of joy, And to start comparing one to the
Speaker 5: other all of a sudden, to make your point, you're
Speaker 5: starting to criticize the other, And how do you criticize
Speaker 5: the other.
Speaker 2: I think I've used you. I've I've talked to you
Speaker 2: long enough. I can hear the voice. Maybe it's starting
Speaker 2: to waiver a little bit here?
Speaker 5: What's starting a waiver?
Speaker 2: It just sounds like you're kind of losing your voice.
Speaker 2: It's it's sound as like like, guys, I think we
Speaker 2: can all agree. It sounds like Breen's voice is going
Speaker 2: a little bit there. Yeah, it's a little yeah. You know,
Speaker 2: I'm not going to compare. I mean, you're not Doc
Speaker 2: Rivers because Doc Rivers sounds like this.
Speaker 6: You got to give me forty eight, guys, you got
Speaker 6: to give me forty eight.
Speaker 2: That's frizzy.
Speaker 5: I could tell. I could tell it was him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know Todd.
Speaker 5: Do you have any idea how important Todd was to
Speaker 5: my career? No? Well, when I worked on the imis
Speaker 5: in the morning show, my whole stick was getting getting
Speaker 5: quality sound bites to play off of and have fun.
Speaker 5: And he was the morning news and sports producer, and
Speaker 5: he was the one that would find the bites that
Speaker 5: he knew would work, and he knew I would like
Speaker 5: to try and work. He was I couldn't have done
Speaker 5: it without him. He was spectacular.
Speaker 2: Because I thought you were awesome with that when you
Speaker 2: had fun with these sound bikes. And now we're talking
Speaker 2: about Todd Fritz, right, yes, okay, all right, fair enough. Wow,
Speaker 2: I didn't know I'm a journalist, Todd. I got to
Speaker 2: ask these questions.
Speaker 6: So I started at w F with Breen in the gang.
Speaker 5: He was amazing, He was amazing him and another guy
Speaker 5: who did it was Craig Shamides. Those two guys were invaluable.
Speaker 2: Well that's great to know, and I know the voice
Speaker 2: is going so I don't know your next game, so
Speaker 2: I'm gonna let you rest that, but thank you for
Speaker 2: sharing your thoughts.
Speaker 6: Quite well.
Speaker 2: That's Mike Breen, play by play voice for the Mothership
Speaker 2: in ABC. He was on the call last night. Yeah,
Speaker 2: nobody wants to make a prediction, especially when you have
Speaker 2: to go to all these teams in these different cities.
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, you think the Calves could go further
Speaker 2: than Onklaombus here. All I know is my Rockets have
Speaker 2: the number two seed in the West right now, Okay,
Speaker 2: I told you at the beginning of the year. Now,
Speaker 2: Orlando's got a ton of injuries. But I thought Orlando
Speaker 2: in Houston. Were going to be big surprises. Yes, Marvin, Polo,
Speaker 2: Ben Carol, he's coming back this week. Yeah, I know
Speaker 2: what about the Wagners, ladies and gentlemen, the Wagners, Yes, Paul.
Speaker 7: Two things first, you know what. The Troit Pistons are
Speaker 7: a game over.
Speaker 2: I like that it's been a while.
Speaker 7: I like that Todd is dining out on that shout
Speaker 7: out by the way.
Speaker 6: Well, that felt nice. That was nice.
Speaker 5: All right?
Speaker 2: How about you can you do the same thing for
Speaker 2: us that you did for Mike Grekon.
Speaker 6: Okay, I have to step on my game a little bit,
Speaker 6: all right.
Speaker 2: Greg McElroy will be on the call for tonight's game
Speaker 2: Notre Dame Penn State. He'll join us coming up next year,
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Speaker 2: The Raiders are in search of their fifth head coach
Speaker 2: since twenty twenty, I think they're now paying three coaches
Speaker 2: to not coach the Raiders. So the Raiders are tied
Speaker 2: with the Texans and Panthers for most head coaches over
Speaker 2: that period and now with this opening, and I know
Speaker 2: Dion says he wants to stay at Colorado. He's got
Speaker 2: a real good recruiting class. But I've said all along,
Speaker 2: if he could go to the Raiders and he knew
Speaker 2: that Shador was going there, and then he could draft
Speaker 2: his son Shiloh as well, I wonder if that's something
Speaker 2: that Tom Brady is considering or would consider. He is
Speaker 2: Greg McElroy ESPN College football analyst. He'll be on the
Speaker 2: call ABC ESPN tonight. It's Penn State, Notre Dame. How
Speaker 2: about we start there, Dion in the NFL or staying
Speaker 2: at Colorado.
Speaker 3: Well, are you suggesting which way I would If I
Speaker 3: were giving Don some type of advice, which way would
Speaker 3: I go? I would probably stay at Colorado. You can
Speaker 3: write your ticket there.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 3: He's become musty television. The Alamo Bowl game that he
Speaker 3: lost by twenty thirty points was the highest rateed game
Speaker 3: outside of the College Football Playoff in the bowl season.
Speaker 3: He's appointment television for many And I think now with
Speaker 3: the support that they're getting from an nil standpoint, Dan,
Speaker 3: I think it's easier to win on a consistent level
Speaker 3: in college I think in the NFL, you can be
Speaker 3: the greatest thing in the world and then fired the
Speaker 3: next year. Yeah, college, you got a little bit more
Speaker 3: runway if you can have a positive impact on the kids.
Speaker 2: All Right, the point spread tonight is Notre Dame by
Speaker 2: one and a half. Let's say the game comes down
Speaker 2: to that kind of point spread. Paint the picture for
Speaker 2: the audience of you being the analyst tonight of how
Speaker 2: you think that would play out in the final seconds.
Speaker 3: Well, it would be phenomenal, you'd know, Sean McDonough. Something
Speaker 3: tells me we would have a voice crack, and we
Speaker 3: would have a lot of energy, and we would have
Speaker 3: one heck of a finish as long as a punter
Speaker 3: doesn't drop it and allow Jalen watch Jackson to return
Speaker 3: one to the house. That could elicit some stronger reaction.
Speaker 3: That would be two or three voice cracks potentially. But Dan,
Speaker 3: I don't know about you. You've been a college football
Speaker 3: fan for a long time and you've supported and helped
Speaker 3: promote our sport, and we're very grateful to you for that.
Speaker 3: But I think the college football Playoff, while we haven't
Speaker 3: had the most compelling matchups from a competitive standpoint, it's
Speaker 3: been captivating television, and I think if we could just
Speaker 3: get one that would go the distance. You look at
Speaker 3: the game between Arizona State and Texas, a game that
Speaker 3: went to overtime, multiple overtimes. That game had seventeen point
Speaker 3: three million viewers at noon or one o'clock Eastern time
Speaker 3: on New Year's Day, a window that had not performed
Speaker 3: well in the past gets an all time high because
Speaker 3: of how compelling that game was. And it was between
Speaker 3: two programs, one blue blood and one that's kind of
Speaker 3: an upstart in Arizona State, that would be magnificent. But
Speaker 3: I think if Notre Dame and Penn State, two of
Speaker 3: the most storied programs, two of the top programs in
Speaker 3: the history of college football from a win standpoint too,
Speaker 3: in the top seven, if it comes down to the
Speaker 3: wire like that, it'd be pretty remarkable. And it's probably
Speaker 3: gonna be a defensive slugfest. It's gonna feel like a
Speaker 3: pitcher's stool. It's gonna feel like, you know, Verlander on
Speaker 3: the mound against Kershaw ten years ago, and whoever can
Speaker 3: somehow find a CNI singles got a chance to win
Speaker 3: the game. It's gonna be pretty remarkable.
Speaker 2: Best player on the field tonight will be.
Speaker 3: When Notre Dames on offense. The best player on the
Speaker 3: field tonight could actually be two players on either side,
Speaker 3: depending on their health. Abdul Carter in all likelihood will
Speaker 3: play four Penn State the defensive end. Pass rusher Kuiper's
Speaker 3: got him as the number two overall player behind Travis Hunter.
Speaker 3: Super dynamic player. I mean, but they move him around too.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's what's fun. I think he's not one
Speaker 3: of those guys that's just stationary end of the line
Speaker 3: of scrimmage player. Like he can be over the center,
Speaker 3: he can be over the guard, he can blitz off
Speaker 3: the second level like he's a very versatile piece. He
Speaker 3: can move around. He is at less than one hundred
Speaker 3: percent because of a shoulder injury that he has suffered
Speaker 3: against Boise State. Played just seventeen snaps in that game,
Speaker 3: so we'll be monitoring his availability as a game time decision.
Speaker 3: Then on the other side of Jeremiah Love, who has
Speaker 3: a right knee injury, the running back for Notre Dame,
Speaker 3: he hasn't really been all that effective. He hurt his
Speaker 3: knee against USC in the final week of the regular season.
Speaker 3: And has like thirteen touches in the two playoff games.
Speaker 3: Since the problem is that one of those thirteen touches
Speaker 3: is a ninety eight yard touchdown run, so he's still
Speaker 3: got great top end speed. But those are the two
Speaker 3: players that I think are probably the most captivating television
Speaker 3: for Tonight's game.
Speaker 2: Handicapped tomorrow night's game. Ohio State Texas.
Speaker 3: Everybody's on Ohio State, aren't they?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 3: You know it's I feel like you're getting Texas on sale.
Speaker 3: From a handicapping perspective, Texas on the heels of a
Speaker 3: two overtime win as a double digit favorite, two touchdown
Speaker 3: favorite against Arizona State, Texas Scott flaws when yours is flawed?
Speaker 2: Are you going to buy it? It sounds like you
Speaker 2: would buy Texas a home game.
Speaker 3: It feels well. Is Ohio State ever on the road?
Speaker 3: I guess the other question that I've starting to realize
Speaker 3: when it comes to neutral sites, man, Ohio State is
Speaker 3: going to be there, and they're going to be like
Speaker 3: and they're going to make their presence felt. I do
Speaker 3: think though, that Texas is a really They're a team
Speaker 3: that can absolutely match up. Again, I think they match
Speaker 3: up really well. I'm not saying they'll win the game.
Speaker 3: I actually think Ohio State will win the game. But
Speaker 3: if you're gonna tell me I can get nearly seven,
Speaker 3: if I get six six and a half five and
Speaker 3: a half, I kind of lean Longhorns. I look at
Speaker 3: where they're built in their strength. They're very similar to
Speaker 3: Michigan with what they have along the defensive front. And
Speaker 3: while I think Oregon's a good football team, I don't
Speaker 3: think Oregon is as equipped. I know they beat Ohio
Speaker 3: State earlier in the season. I also acknowledge though that
Speaker 3: that version of Ohio State very different than the Ohio
Speaker 3: State that they saw just this last weekend that the
Speaker 3: Rose Bowl. Ohio State at that time in that game
Speaker 3: lost their left tackle Will Howard was not yet as
Speaker 3: comfortable as he is right now. Their receiver Jeremiah Smith
Speaker 3: in that game was a good player, but not a
Speaker 3: take over the game as the best player in college
Speaker 3: football type of player at that point. So Ohio State's
Speaker 3: very different. So they beat Oregon badly because Oregon took
Speaker 3: the same plan that they used the first time around,
Speaker 3: and they don't match up as well. Texas will kind
Speaker 3: of keep things in front and their defensive line can
Speaker 3: win the game. That's Texas's strength and that's where Ohio
Speaker 3: State lost the game against Michigan. So I do think
Speaker 3: that Texas matches up better than anyone else up to
Speaker 3: this point in the postseason against Ohio State.
Speaker 2: Greg McElroy, ESPN College Football Analyst, He'll be on the call.
Speaker 2: It's on ABC and ESPN. Sean McDonough will be there,
Speaker 2: Molly McGrath, Katie George and that starts at seven thirty Eastern.
Speaker 2: Also part of Omaha Production's Always College Football podcast. Co
Speaker 2: host of Mac and Cube in the Morning on WJOX
Speaker 2: in Birmingham. How often do coaches get out coached? Oh
Speaker 2: a lot. I'll go back to what what Notre Dame
Speaker 2: did against Kirby Smart, what Marcus Freeman did when they
Speaker 2: swapped out and then they were gonna punt they were not.
Speaker 2: Then you get off set. I mean, that's that's one moment.
Speaker 2: But to me, that helped change the game. So I
Speaker 2: don't know, Like you played for Nick Shaban, but the
Speaker 2: number of times, like Bill Belichick, how many times will
Speaker 2: he out coach somebody in the college in college games?
Speaker 3: You know what's funny is it? And I know that
Speaker 3: this is like the most obvious coach speak thing ever,
Speaker 3: So apologize in advance. But more games are lost than one,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. Like, we'll go back to
Speaker 3: the game and the Sugar Bowl with Notre Dame against Georgia.
Speaker 3: Two moments stand out in the game. Okay, one was
Speaker 3: at the end of the half. They have a backup
Speaker 3: quarterback in the game. Notre Dame is thinking, Hey, they're
Speaker 3: going to run the ball, take it to half. The
Speaker 3: game's going to be six ' three. Notre Dame's got
Speaker 3: a slight lead, but for the most part, you know,
Speaker 3: it's a low scoring game and it's lacked a lot
Speaker 3: of offense. Well, they put their run defense personnel in
Speaker 3: the game. R. J Oben is a guy that at
Speaker 3: that moment had zero sacks on the season. Well, what
Speaker 3: does he do. He goes right around the left tackle, stripsack, fumble, recovery.
Speaker 3: Notre Dame on the next offensive snap, touchdown. Now it's
Speaker 3: a game that is feels like it's blown open at
Speaker 3: thirteen to three. That was one moment in the game,
Speaker 3: and that was Kirby being probably a little bit too
Speaker 3: aggressive there at the end of half. Hindsight's twenty twenty, Like,
Speaker 3: do you really expect your left tackle to get killed
Speaker 3: by a run stopping defensive end? Probably not all right,
Speaker 3: So that was one moment. The other moment was, like
Speaker 3: you referenced late in the game, Marcus Freeman ops to
Speaker 3: run his punt team on on fourth and one, and
Speaker 3: then all of a sudden run his punt team off
Speaker 3: put his offense on, which allows Kirby's team and defense
Speaker 3: to substitute. But they're thinking about getting lined up. The
Speaker 3: last thing they're thinking about in that scenario is the
Speaker 3: snap count. It was chaotic on the sideline, it was
Speaker 3: chaotic near the line of scrimmage. Their best player again
Speaker 3: and Jalen Walker, who's going to be a three or
Speaker 3: four time All Pro in his career, lean's just ever
Speaker 3: so slightly on the neutral zone, free play first down.
Speaker 3: Next thing, you know, nine plays later, in six minutes
Speaker 3: off the clock, they've stolen a possession. So I think
Speaker 3: great coaches know how to just tweak and create that
Speaker 3: slight edge to steal a possession, whether it's a timely
Speaker 3: on sidekick, a fake punt, a surprise on sidekick, the
Speaker 3: thing going forward on fourth down, maybe backed up and
Speaker 3: getting it. Somehow, great coaches know at that perfect time
Speaker 3: when to pull that card and play it. Marcus did
Speaker 3: it once and Kirby made a mistake at the end
Speaker 3: of half, and that's why the game ended up the
Speaker 3: way it ended up.
Speaker 2: How often have you had to or did you have
Speaker 2: to consciously say to Greg McElroy, former Alabama quarterback, don't
Speaker 2: be sec friend friendly because you're going to get criticized
Speaker 2: no matter what, because we're going to read into what
Speaker 2: you say and how you say it. But I'm asking
Speaker 2: you understanding that have you had to remind yourself be
Speaker 2: be as fair as possible, even though subconsciously it might
Speaker 2: still be in your DNA?
Speaker 3: I don't even know, And I think it's a great question.
Speaker 3: I think it's all from a matter of perspective. Like
Speaker 3: if you want to know who I am biased towards,
Speaker 3: it's great teams, you know what I mean? Like like
Speaker 3: I kind of just follow. I like to watch the
Speaker 3: teams that executed at a really high level, like I really
Speaker 3: really and I've all and whether it was Michigan last year,
Speaker 3: or whether it was TCU two years ago, or whatever
Speaker 3: the teams it may be. I've always loved Utah like
Speaker 3: I just love how they you know, never maybe as
Speaker 3: far as getting off the bus, maybe not the best team,
Speaker 3: but even dating back to when urban Meyer was there
Speaker 3: in the early two thousands, it's long been a team
Speaker 3: I've just had a tremendous amount of admiration for. So
Speaker 3: I've kind of found myself navigating to words the teams
Speaker 3: that play really high level football. As far as the
Speaker 3: SEC stuff, I do have more familiarity with the league.
Speaker 3: Let's be real. I called five Georgia games this year.
Speaker 3: I called four Kentucky games. You know, I called four
Speaker 3: Ole miss games. I called a couple of the Tennessee games,
Speaker 3: couple Bama games. You just have maybe a deeper understanding
Speaker 3: of the depths of the roster. But there's never really
Speaker 3: a point if you do your work professionally, I could
Speaker 3: care less what patch they have on their jersey. I
Speaker 3: simply see numbers, names, coaches, records, statistics, and tendencies. What
Speaker 3: conference they align with is not one that I usually
Speaker 3: pay a lot of attention to. And I know people
Speaker 3: ask me all the time, how do you call Bama
Speaker 3: games and not get not allow your fandom to come
Speaker 3: out pretty easily because when I was in school, I
Speaker 3: was probably harder on Alabama as a player, and I
Speaker 3: could ever be in this line of work. So I
Speaker 3: think if you look at it through a not a
Speaker 3: critiquing lens, but a lens in which you're trying to
Speaker 3: offer constructive criticism and point out observations, then the conference
Speaker 3: affiliation should have no impact on how you call the game.
Speaker 2: But college football is about brands. You know, everybody was
Speaker 2: screaming for Alabama to be in the playoffs, and I go, no,
Speaker 2: they don't deserve to be in the playoffs.
Speaker 3: I think it's about brands to an extent. I do
Speaker 3: think there's there is this perception that you know this,
Speaker 3: you know, they the big brands are going to get
Speaker 3: preferential treatment.
Speaker 2: I don't know if that, but they do bring eyeballs.
Speaker 2: Do they do bring like Notre Dame brings eyeballs?
Speaker 3: Absolutely?
Speaker 2: People are going to watch absolutely, absolutely, And I think
Speaker 2: because of Alabama, they're like, well, do we want Boise
Speaker 2: State or Arizona State in there? And we want Alabama
Speaker 2: in there? And we saw Alabama against Michigan in the
Speaker 2: bowl game. You know, they just weren't a great team
Speaker 2: a good team this year and I think that's a
Speaker 2: problem for college football. We get top heavy with Georgia,
Speaker 2: Ohio State, Clemson used to be in there. It's like
Speaker 2: the same six or seven schools every year that we
Speaker 2: get programmed to think, Oh, those are the best teams
Speaker 2: in the country. Arizona State was awesome. I mean that
Speaker 2: was so much fun. And Boise State did what Boise
Speaker 2: State was supposed to do. Indiana did what they were
Speaker 2: supposed to do. Now do I think Indiana was deserved
Speaker 2: to be in there? No from a talent perspective or
Speaker 2: who they played, but they played who's on their schedule.
Speaker 2: So I until we come up with a better format
Speaker 2: with this greg or scenarios that make it fairer, you know,
Speaker 2: I don't want us to fall back on well, I
Speaker 2: don't know, just put Alabama in, put Clemson in. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't like that.
Speaker 3: I worry what in doubt? What in doubt? Give the
Speaker 3: teams with more stars, meaning like star ratings, the recruiting
Speaker 3: ratings like don and Dowe, give them the benefit of
Speaker 3: the doubt. I don't think that's the proper way to
Speaker 3: go about it, because while would Alabama potentially have been
Speaker 3: more competitive in the playoff setting, I have no idea,
Speaker 3: you know, and that's why I can't sit here and
Speaker 3: pound the drum. Oh. Clearly, we need to reevaluate, you know,
Speaker 3: how we're seating teams or how we're putting teams in
Speaker 3: and who should get in and who should Now I
Speaker 3: think there are things we can do to adjust our
Speaker 3: criteria by incentivizing improved and strengthened non conference schedules. I
Speaker 3: would like to see that because that benefits all of us.
Speaker 3: If we see stronger non conference games, that's going to
Speaker 3: only create more intrigue and maybe add a little more
Speaker 3: context to the conference supremacy argument. I'd like to see it.
Speaker 3: We see it in basketball. If you play a murderer's
Speaker 3: row schedule in the non conference, than your likelihood of
Speaker 3: having a high RPI come tournament times really high. And
Speaker 3: if you're nineteen and fifteen from Syracuse, doesn't really matter
Speaker 3: because you make the tournament. Next thing, you know, in
Speaker 3: a play in game, you're eleven seed, you're playing the
Speaker 3: final four. So we've seen it in the past. I mean,
Speaker 3: it's definitely, it's definitely possible. I'd like to see stronger
Speaker 3: non conference because right now, in beloaded conferences, you can't.
Speaker 3: Not all SEC schedules are created equal, not all Big
Speaker 3: ten schedules are created equal. So I think non conference
Speaker 3: play is where we need to focus. And if we
Speaker 3: can incentivize teams that go out of their conference and
Speaker 3: play top tier competition, that should be rewarded, regardless of
Speaker 3: the outcome. In some cases now they get blown out. No,
Speaker 3: absolutely not, like that's a data point that needs to
Speaker 3: be considered. But it also if it's close, and if
Speaker 3: it was on the road and you tried to go
Speaker 3: play a top tier team and lost, that should be
Speaker 3: rewarded as opposed to playing an FCS team and winning
Speaker 3: by thirty five. You know what I'm saying, man.
Speaker 2: I think it should come down to Vegas should be
Speaker 2: relied on to rank the teams, your top twelve teams.
Speaker 2: It should be Vegas. Vegas has no opinion, no bias.
Speaker 2: They're they are looking at what is the best matchups,
Speaker 2: and I think I think Vegas would make more sense.
Speaker 2: I don't want these automatic berths. I don't want any
Speaker 2: of that. It should be here's the twelve best teams.
Speaker 2: I saw you cringing.
Speaker 3: Yes to an extent, yes, because if we did that,
Speaker 3: then USC from a power rating standpoint at the season's
Speaker 3: end at seven and five is in the mix if
Speaker 3: we went strictly off Vegas. Now Vegas plays a little
Speaker 3: bit on psychology too. I mean, why do you think
Speaker 3: now power ratings are a factor, But there's also you
Speaker 3: know which team is playing better at the moment, which
Speaker 3: team is going to garner more public interest? Which team
Speaker 3: is If I set the line, maybe shade the line
Speaker 3: maybe a point point and a half higher, is that
Speaker 3: going to generate more buzz and to create balance on
Speaker 3: either side of the line. I just think Vegas, Vegas
Speaker 3: has different incentives. While I understand and appreciate the thought
Speaker 3: process of that, then at that point, why do we
Speaker 3: play the game. Let's just have a sixty four team
Speaker 3: tournament and let's just let's just see how things go.
Speaker 2: That'll be enough rad and let's go.
Speaker 5: I liked. I like.
Speaker 3: I don't think it's broken. The one thing I would
Speaker 3: adjust is I think that Big ten and SEC conference
Speaker 3: champions should be rewarded with a home playoff game. And
Speaker 3: however we figure out the ball system after the fact,
Speaker 3: I think we'll probably get rid of bias because it's proven,
Speaker 3: at least in this tournament. That the buy does not
Speaker 3: benefit you, and how can we get the conference champions
Speaker 3: to get home games? That needs to be examined as well.
Speaker 2: All Right, have fun tonight, Okay, I appreciate you, all right,
Speaker 2: and be nice to both sides. Okay always Okay, Greg McElroy,
Speaker 2: I'll be on the call with Sean McDonough tonight. Festivities
Speaker 2: start at ABC and ESPN at seven thirty Eastern. We'll
Speaker 2: be back after this.
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Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio WAPP.
Speaker 2: Chris Faller on the show tomorrow, Bill Cower on the
Speaker 2: show tomorrow, Arizona State head coach, see you on the
Speaker 2: show tomorrow.
Speaker 6: Kenny Dillingham is part of tomorrow show.
Speaker 2: Okay, he'll bring some energy there. How about we write
Speaker 2: the headline tomorrow's headline today for tonight's game Notre Dame
Speaker 2: in Penn State. I'm gonna have Todd go last because
Speaker 2: he's been killing it and he sets the bar too high. Marvin,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna start with you.
Speaker 6: We are eliminated. Notre Dame goes to the national title game.
Speaker 2: Wow Wow, and you got your Notre Dame sweatshirt on today?
Speaker 2: Come on all day, all right, Paulie Tomorrow's headline today.
Speaker 7: Mark us down for the national title game.
Speaker 5: Seaton.
Speaker 9: Uh, Pen's fate's fight maybe destiny not in the cards
Speaker 9: for Nitney Lions. Penn's fate, destiny not in the cards,
Speaker 9: not in the stars.
Speaker 2: Take this serious one day. I am no you, I
Speaker 2: am um set.
Speaker 10: I'm letting Todd sharing. Here you go, Todd, Irish state
Speaker 10: was more competitive. No, it's not good domination. Paul's done
Speaker 10: an Irish joke at least fifteen hundred times times today.
Speaker 6: Damonation, exclamation point.
Speaker 2: When it's not good, it's not good, Marvin, I apologize.
Speaker 2: I called you mcleven earlier in the show, like, man, what.
Speaker 6: Did I do to deserve that?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 2: You know what, when I closed my good eye, you
Speaker 2: kind of look like mcleven.
Speaker 6: Wait, close your eyes one second. Okay. I love Andydon,
Speaker 6: he's the best.
Speaker 2: Hey, mcclevin, mcleby goes man. I got all these dms
Speaker 2: from friends saying what up with that? I go, I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I think that's the only time. Is that
Speaker 2: the first time I've called you McLevin. Yeah, I think
Speaker 2: ye month one month one. It happened like one or
Speaker 2: two times. Is were going to break? Okay, all right,
Speaker 2: it won't happen again. Ray in New York, Hi Ray,
Speaker 2: what's on your mind?
Speaker 5: Hey?
Speaker 8: Ray?
Speaker 5: Hey? Ray?
Speaker 3: Hie Ray?
Speaker 2: Let me see Aaron in Michigan.
Speaker 5: Hi erin.
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Speaker 11: Just wanted to give you and the boys a little
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Speaker 2: Hey, we'll work on that. Once we know when we're going.
Speaker 2: We'll get suggestions from you. May not happen till like
Speaker 2: May or June, but we'll let you know when we're going,
Speaker 2: where we're going, and then you can offer up suggestions
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Speaker 2: not do that until we get ready to go there,
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Speaker 2: want to make sure if there's places to see, just
Speaker 2: like when we go to Green Bay, we're going to
Speaker 2: be there for a few days. If there's a chance
Speaker 2: we can go to a couple places, great, then We'll
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