Speaker 1: Check it down man Now down Many On Thursday, October
Speaker 1: twenty one one is the Beating of the Book podcast
Speaker 1: Megapod live from the D in downtown Las Vegas. Kill Alexander,
Speaker 1: Thanks for listening as always, appreciate it every week this year.
Speaker 1: Great feedback on every show, including every guest, some to
Speaker 1: the good, some of the you know, indifferent, some to
Speaker 1: the hey, we didn't like that guy. Hey it's all right.
Speaker 1: Ace Triumphant return to the pod last week. Uh, super
Speaker 1: well received. Loved having Ace back here. Today we have
Speaker 1: another esteem guest. First of the staples of the show
Speaker 1: though to my left at the D, Vice President Operations
Speaker 1: at Circuit Sports, Derek Stephen's conciliary and also co host,
Speaker 1: although he might consider himself a host one I don't know.
Speaker 1: Co host of the Lead of Lead Lead Lead Lead
Speaker 1: Hosts of Odds on at Visa in weekdays at eleven
Speaker 1: am Pacific two pm Eastern is Michael Palm. You know, Mikey,
Speaker 1: I'm doing great. Hello James, how are you good? To
Speaker 1: hear from you again. Todd is always in the Gillionaire
Speaker 1: Thank you. By the way, I didn't hear this, Mikey,
Speaker 1: but somebody told me that a mam was arguing they
Speaker 1: shouldn't have gone for it on fourth down when Josh
Speaker 1: Allen's slipped. That's correct? Correct? Is that right? What was
Speaker 1: what was his reasoning? His reasoning was you go to
Speaker 1: overtime with the better team. Yeah, but you have a
Speaker 1: much better chance of winning the game then, and if
Speaker 1: you don't make it and kicked the field book, it's
Speaker 1: still gonna have the same Derrick Henry's killing you too.
Speaker 1: They had struggled in the red zone. They don't look
Speaker 1: I I moved on, wasn't it you moved on? Todd
Speaker 1: wishing it from his mom's cork attic in Pittsburgh, PA.
Speaker 1: By the way, somebody on Twitter got really mad at
Speaker 1: me for continually saying that you're from your mom's cork Addy,
Speaker 1: But it wasn't that. They were mad at the mom's
Speaker 1: cork attic park. They're like, why do you have to
Speaker 1: keep saying where he's from? I was like, oh, I'm
Speaker 1: sorry about that. I didn't know you're really upset. I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean, it is it's it's it's a bit much.
Speaker 1: But you know, I said, no, it's not. We say
Speaker 1: we're from the d Why is it any different? Okay,
Speaker 1: you know what, You're right. Thank you. By the way,
Speaker 1: that's Todd's way of saying, I don't think you're right,
Speaker 1: but actually I am right. Thanks Todd. Gentleman. James Salinas,
Speaker 1: he's got a real job, Dodd. Stop talking. James Salinas,
Speaker 1: everybody co host of it now? What is the name
Speaker 1: of your show on the Weekend's James James a former
Speaker 1: Super Contest winner. He won over nine hundred thousand dollars
Speaker 1: taking home the Super Contest prize. Then he had the
Speaker 1: audacity to finish third the following year. Let he finished
Speaker 1: twenty six two years after that. What's the name of
Speaker 1: the new show, James, A great to have you. It
Speaker 1: is the Pro Football Blitz and I do it with
Speaker 1: Brady Cannon, another former Super Contest winner from back in
Speaker 1: the day. And so we're we do both Saturday and Sunday.
Speaker 1: And obviously it's just like it sounds pro football. That's it.
Speaker 1: That's the whole focus. We narrow the focus. We know
Speaker 1: we got so many other sports going on right now.
Speaker 1: And you know, you guys were talking about where we
Speaker 1: were for Monday Night football. Should they have went forward
Speaker 1: on fourth down with the Buffalo bills, and I've am
Speaker 1: right they should have done, especially with the leverage that
Speaker 1: I had on the bills, just to win on the money.
Speaker 1: And so but we're not we're moving past week six
Speaker 1: because weeks Week six was a shitty week for me
Speaker 1: last week, and now I'm also have to move past
Speaker 1: We're not talking baseball here right because we don't want
Speaker 1: to get otherwise I'm gonna get a little salty kill
Speaker 1: I have, but it this way. I was on the
Speaker 1: Red Sox unders the last two games, so we say
Speaker 1: how those played out. And then unfortunately I was very
Speaker 1: sober yesterday and didn't decide to go chase, and so
Speaker 1: I didn't chase a couple of winners that would have
Speaker 1: had late last night. So anyhow, we've moved on. We're
Speaker 1: moving on to week seven for the NFL. So great
Speaker 1: to be on with all you gentlemen. As always each
Speaker 1: and every year, fellas, We're really appreciative because I know
Speaker 1: you have a day job, very very important day job
Speaker 1: there in Colorado at Denver that you making time to
Speaker 1: do this, So I am super thankful. Um. Those unders.
Speaker 1: By the way, the last two games that series were brutal,
Speaker 1: just absolutely brutal. Especially the one you were in. I'm
Speaker 1: still getting over the Giants. So and now my Dodgers
Speaker 1: future from March looks very precarious. So it's the uh,
Speaker 1: it's it's just not going well. James. Is it true
Speaker 1: that your co host on the Blitz actually legally changed
Speaker 1: his name to former Super Contest champion Brady Cannon? Because
Speaker 1: and every and every time I hear it, and every
Speaker 1: piece of Vista copy it says that. I mean, so
Speaker 1: I thought maybe it was illegal name change? Brady? What
Speaker 1: ye were you? James? Brady one? There was like seven
Speaker 1: other guys in it, and I mean it was James.
Speaker 1: And I feel bad that the the under in the
Speaker 1: in the Astros game that is as bad as they come.
Speaker 1: Well and and and so I don't know how much
Speaker 1: our time constraints are here, but ultimately see that's the
Speaker 1: problem is. Yeah, it was leaning right up to and
Speaker 1: I wanted to jump on the braves probably braves. I
Speaker 1: found him out here like plus one ninety plus one
Speaker 1: before it started, but they were kind of overlapping and
Speaker 1: I wanted to roll it over, like okay, maybe I'll
Speaker 1: just I'll be I'll the square, the sober square, betting
Speaker 1: conscious of Ward Cleaver came out like, new, we won't
Speaker 1: be chasing any bets, we won't have any of that,
Speaker 1: and so just wait and we'll see how it plays out.
Speaker 1: And then obviously they dumped it, and then they even
Speaker 1: got more square. I was like, well, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: chase it. No, did I chase that last night with
Speaker 1: the Braves? And then I didn't chase the Nuggets last
Speaker 1: night and the Revenge spot going into Phoenix and they
Speaker 1: win the freaking game, right, So we move on to
Speaker 1: week seven on Thursday. Yes, I did not know Ward
Speaker 1: Clever used to bet. I missed that episode. I just
Speaker 1: have that. Well, it's just this square better voice that
Speaker 1: comes in that just says, no, James, we won't be
Speaker 1: chasing any bets this evening. You're just gonna play and
Speaker 1: you'll go on move on to the next day. Now.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I know you guys don't do it.
Speaker 1: I know you guys don't drink. But usually when I
Speaker 1: bet and I drink, that's when I get pretty froggy
Speaker 1: with it. And I'm not afraid to get jiggy and
Speaker 1: the fire away at it. And I was very sober
Speaker 1: last night, and so I did not do. I did
Speaker 1: not chase anything, and now I wish that I would
Speaker 1: have because they both came in and think about how
Speaker 1: the Braves just completely dominated that game. I don't know
Speaker 1: what the hell where the Dodgers are messing with their
Speaker 1: pitching staff, and I don't want to. I don't want
Speaker 1: to get off on a tangent here where we're moving
Speaker 1: to now be if you don't want to make square bets, Mike,
Speaker 1: you like I got, I got it possibly lucky in
Speaker 1: that game last night, I bet over nine and a
Speaker 1: half flo and after two winnings of Framber Valdez, I said,
Speaker 1: this is a loser. Let me bet first five under
Speaker 1: three and a half. We got there both. Well, I
Speaker 1: mean I've written the nine and a half of her.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm just trying to get off the bet.
Speaker 1: You you bet the Braves already bet the Braves plus
Speaker 1: one thirty and I haven't for the series plus one ninety.
Speaker 1: Normally I wouldn't bet them because I'm piling onto my bet,
Speaker 1: but I think this numbers. I think the Braves should
Speaker 1: be favored today. No no Turner, no Muncy, no Turner,
Speaker 1: no month getting overused and misused bullpen What do you
Speaker 1: and and this is the point needs to be made.
Speaker 1: This is not armchair quarterbacking with Davy Roberts. This is
Speaker 1: at the moment you're like, what are you doing? As
Speaker 1: far back as Game five against the Giants, I said
Speaker 1: in Game five, why are you hitting for Jensen? Let
Speaker 1: Jensen close this game? You'd only thrown eleven pitches. If
Speaker 1: you go down with your clothes, you go down with them.
Speaker 1: Screwed up shuts or for Game two now he needs
Speaker 1: extra rest. Screwed up Game two with your and screwed
Speaker 1: up game it up. Game four with Orius, Mark Borcherd
Speaker 1: had the best line. If you're going to be the
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay Rays, be the Tampa Bay Rays all season,
Speaker 1: don't show up in the postseason and become the Tampa
Speaker 1: Bay Race. Why why did they decide to play it
Speaker 1: this way? It was so dumb. You know our guys,
Speaker 1: Josh Towers has banged this drum for years. You don't
Speaker 1: make a starter reliever. It's totally out of his prep
Speaker 1: of what he's doing to go in and relieve. You
Speaker 1: can't just flip flop him all right, circumillions, there's a
Speaker 1: guy that's twenty six and four in the circumedions. I
Speaker 1: think if this Todd, if you went one and four
Speaker 1: the first week and you were perfect the next five weeks,
Speaker 1: you'd be tied. And here's the other thing. The guy
Speaker 1: is twenty six and four. You only has a one
Speaker 1: game lead. He's a one game leader. I'm Ted seven
Speaker 1: and one and I have a game and a half.
Speaker 1: Leat on, Todd, I've got more air than this count.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you guys a question. And I'm talking
Speaker 1: to super content winner and James Lenis when I say this,
Speaker 1: so I better be careful how I say this. This
Speaker 1: year in particular, though, but NFL in general, the size
Speaker 1: of the pool of players is going to mathematically randomly
Speaker 1: produce someone who does that. Right now, That's not to
Speaker 1: take anything away from the guy who did it, because
Speaker 1: he said, and they go, well, it's me, it's me,
Speaker 1: I'm doing it. But come on and four, like, what
Speaker 1: percentage of that is skill? And what is just a squirrel? Fine?
Speaker 1: And nut after nut, there's a school people are out
Speaker 1: there saying, faith this guy the rest of the way
Speaker 1: because it's got to regret Scot to right. Good for him, though,
Speaker 1: you know he's probably gonna regress to fifty fifty, that's
Speaker 1: what will happen. But the somebody has to get lucky. Gil.
Speaker 1: So this guy, so, this guy is going to be
Speaker 1: the one who you know, I mean he might he
Speaker 1: might be playing at a rate you know, in basic
Speaker 1: but still you know, obviously he's not gonna be twenty
Speaker 1: six and four in the next thirty picks. I'll take
Speaker 1: the actor on that. How about how well? And and
Speaker 1: here's the other thing Gil and fellas with this is
Speaker 1: so I think about the year I won the Super Contest.
Speaker 1: I was twenty four five and one after week six,
Speaker 1: so same spot here, obviously not quite as good. But
Speaker 1: then the gravity of where you stand after you weeks,
Speaker 1: like all the dust is settled. You look at the standings,
Speaker 1: you're like when you when you enter the contests. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's two thousand people in it. I'll take a shot,
Speaker 1: see where it happens. Why not me? And realistically, you've
Speaker 1: you have expectations, but you also have realistic expectations like
Speaker 1: it's hard as hell to try to beat the NFL
Speaker 1: and then win a big contest like this, and then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, after six weeks, you're sitting at
Speaker 1: the top of the standards. You look at the top.
Speaker 1: It's like, damn, I am up there, sweet, and then
Speaker 1: it's like, holy crap, I still got eleven more weeks
Speaker 1: to play. And in this case, here what we got
Speaker 1: twelve more weeks to play? Right a long way and
Speaker 1: so then the gravity starts to hit you where you
Speaker 1: stand exactly right, and so you have and for me,
Speaker 1: I was able to sustain, sustain, sustain, each and every week,
Speaker 1: but it didn't keep the hard and it's right, what
Speaker 1: was the rest of your I finished? I finished fifth?
Speaker 1: I finished? It was like fifty nine some three and five.
Speaker 1: I don't know, does that? Does that math work? Whatever
Speaker 1: that was? You were probably around the way or something
Speaker 1: like that. Maybe maybe something like that. Yeah, and yeah,
Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna continue on that same pace for the
Speaker 1: next twelve eight eleven weeks. But it's just the mental
Speaker 1: piece to it, because it's such a long season, and
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden you're like, why not me?
Speaker 1: When you enter the contest and now I was at
Speaker 1: your top of the the top dog on the contest
Speaker 1: after six weeks. It's a lot of pressure each other
Speaker 1: week that at least you start to put on yourself
Speaker 1: knowing you have a bad week, and there's so many
Speaker 1: it's so condensed, right, It's the compression is so close.
Speaker 1: You talked about Mike said, how close. Everybody else is
Speaker 1: right there. And because the field is so huge, you
Speaker 1: have a bad week, you're gonna see yourself tumble. So
Speaker 1: it's a lot of pressure before Sunday comes making the picks,
Speaker 1: and you've got to be very decisive. You can't doubt
Speaker 1: yourself going forward. Let me just ask you one question, though,
Speaker 1: So at what point, because you had not one great season,
Speaker 1: but you had two, maybe even three great seasons, like
Speaker 1: when you have that kind of run, And maybe this
Speaker 1: is a question for now more than then, but I
Speaker 1: was going to couch it as a then question, like
Speaker 1: at what point do you acknowledge you're getting the good
Speaker 1: bounces in addition to good handicapping or now maybe even
Speaker 1: more more more interesting Lee, as you look back on
Speaker 1: that run because you can't sustain it forever, what do
Speaker 1: you think of now? Like what if it was you?
Speaker 1: What if it was just of that middle games that
Speaker 1: just they all went your way? Like how do you
Speaker 1: view it now? I think each the first two seasons
Speaker 1: when it was first and third were different. First season
Speaker 1: not having any expectations getting in when I wanted was
Speaker 1: the first year that I played, and then being on
Speaker 1: top all right, just focus one week at a time
Speaker 1: and then reflecting back. It was really what I was doing.
Speaker 1: I didn't take a lot of really didn't take a
Speaker 1: lot of typically don't take a lot of favorites, but
Speaker 1: I wasn't taking those big underdogs. I was finding those
Speaker 1: numbers that were anywhere between pick them and three, just
Speaker 1: to let me just find the winner. And any of
Speaker 1: those that I was taking three, where was the favorite
Speaker 1: of the underdog? They recovering? And that was really the
Speaker 1: big difference for me is all those games that were
Speaker 1: kind of coin flip games, they were land if I'm
Speaker 1: calling tales, they're landing tails each week. Those were coming through.
Speaker 1: I think in the second year. It was really the
Speaker 1: interesting thing Gill is each and every year, my worst
Speaker 1: month is always October. I don't know what the hell
Speaker 1: it is about October, but these lines get sharper, and
Speaker 1: then we saw last week the favorites just killed it.
Speaker 1: But then things start to regress stores and they come
Speaker 1: back to the mean come November, and where you were
Speaker 1: in October and teams were in September and October, a
Speaker 1: lot of them fade back, and you see that happen
Speaker 1: with contestants in the Super Contest tour and then circum millions.
Speaker 1: Now that this third year going, so I think for me,
Speaker 1: it was different in that second year in the Super
Speaker 1: Contest when I came in third, it was all about
Speaker 1: the second half of the season really getting dialed in
Speaker 1: on teams and whether it was favorites underdogs, it didn't
Speaker 1: really matter. It wasn't numbers. I was playing teams as
Speaker 1: opposed to numbers in the second half of the season
Speaker 1: and went on a great run to be in that spot.
Speaker 1: So it's kind of different each and every year when
Speaker 1: I've had good success. All right, well I have invited
Speaker 1: you in October, so maybe that was the uh, what's
Speaker 1: with October and people associated with Denver that's so big? Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right? And then and then Survivor well, so once
Speaker 1: again the No Pick was second instead of third. This
Speaker 1: week amazing nineteen Broncos ten, No Pick, seven, Dolphin, four Brown,
Speaker 1: two Lion, only one points and to build only one
Speaker 1: percent of the two percent of the pool out we
Speaker 1: lost forty four going from twenty four, I said, make
Speaker 1: a number. Yes, know that the no pick will be
Speaker 1: the most eliminations this week? Oh wow, this week. No,
Speaker 1: this week it's gonna be you'd get a lot of
Speaker 1: plus money for this way, because there's this week it's splintered.
Speaker 1: I think. So, somebody, do you think one of these
Speaker 1: big favorites will lose? There's six games that about the
Speaker 1: biggest favorites, but somebody's gonna lose. Um. We had a
Speaker 1: Joe Pete and I had a little exchange off air,
Speaker 1: and we'll get to our picksure. Joe Peter and I
Speaker 1: had to exchange how many people do you think will
Speaker 1: be how many entrance do you think will be left
Speaker 1: and survivor after week twenty week twenty of your contest.
Speaker 1: He had a buddy he said two hundred and something.
Speaker 1: He had a buddy who said one hundred and not
Speaker 1: even on I said nineties six. I think there's gonna
Speaker 1: be a lot of eliminations coming um Thanksgiving and Christmas
Speaker 1: with um and a half. Well, there's three times as
Speaker 1: many interests thirty five last year, right, I mean I'll
Speaker 1: take under. I'll take under both of you. I say
Speaker 1: under because of that Thanksgiving in Christmas, he's going to
Speaker 1: really hurt. Yeah, so I'm going under nineties. So you
Speaker 1: know you're saying there's gonna be ninety six winners at
Speaker 1: the end of this year. I went below the other
Speaker 1: two guesses. Yeah, I said nineties. I'm going under even
Speaker 1: one can make a real bed. Let's make a real hunt.
Speaker 1: Remember making a prices right reference, Not that you know
Speaker 1: you're a small bat. All right? Uh, Todd, As much
Speaker 1: as I hate to ask you to go through it,
Speaker 1: how do we do last week? Well, the records they
Speaker 1: didn't They're not exactly tennis. Let's put it that way.
Speaker 1: Let's set it that way. It's not tennis. It's not tennis.
Speaker 1: Andrew Siva Ventra No Nova did not cover. Uh. I
Speaker 1: am making a reference to the fact that Gilly Ice
Speaker 1: continues to be red hot with the tennis picks, and
Speaker 1: uh not as hot here in the National Football League.
Speaker 1: He went oh in three last week to fall to
Speaker 1: five and thirteen against the spread, but his teasers are
Speaker 1: still at four, one and one after he finally lost
Speaker 1: his first teaser last week, Mikey with a strong two
Speaker 1: and one with the luckiest cover in the history of
Speaker 1: the National Football League when the Dallas cow Girls decided
Speaker 1: to throw it deep and he got him the minus
Speaker 1: three and a half, which he certainly did not deserve.
Speaker 1: He goes to ten seven and one, but he is
Speaker 1: four and two in teasers, which is the important category.
Speaker 1: I am was two in one last week, including beating
Speaker 1: eight straight up on that over forty nine and a
Speaker 1: half in the Cleveland, Arizona game to go to nine
Speaker 1: and nine, and I am still the leader even after
Speaker 1: I lost my teaser at five and one on teasers.
Speaker 1: So that's where we are. Gilly Ice about to turn
Speaker 1: it around because he's gonna take the Kansas City Andrew
Speaker 1: Nova's this week. How do you have what my magic
Speaker 1: number over guilt is? Right now? By the way, I'll
Speaker 1: still say it. I'll say it again. There is no
Speaker 1: question I'm the man to beat on teasers, none whatsoever. Well,
Speaker 1: look now, I just made up a game on Todd
Speaker 1: to teaser since I got to go last, and he
Speaker 1: doesn't have to copy my pick every week. Tod's not
Speaker 1: The guys just loves it. There you go. You can
Speaker 1: get the guy a popcorn. You'll be like, oh it's
Speaker 1: not big, big one, you know. You get him of
Speaker 1: glass of wine. I don't like this line. There's always
Speaker 1: some problem, alright, Best bets, Best bets time now now, James,
Speaker 1: Not only have I invited you in October, which you said,
Speaker 1: for some reason is your worst month historically. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's any any basis for that,
Speaker 1: but I've invited you on week seven. I did not
Speaker 1: look ahead when I invited you a week seven and say, hey,
Speaker 1: is week seven a fun week? It is not a
Speaker 1: fun Week six buys only thirteen games, and of the
Speaker 1: thirteen game you have one tonight Thursday Night Football. By
Speaker 1: the way, before we get to our best bets, we
Speaker 1: should talk about Thursday Night Thursday Night, where there's all
Speaker 1: kinds of Michigus on the brown side in terms of injuries,
Speaker 1: so that game is all also for COCTA. And then
Speaker 1: you have the other remaining twelve games, three which are
Speaker 1: massive double digits, one that's teetering on double digits to
Speaker 1: others that are around a touchdown. So that leaves six
Speaker 1: games that really have shorter spread. So it's a it's
Speaker 1: a rough week man. Well, Thursday Night Football thoughts before
Speaker 1: we get the best bets, James, do you have any
Speaker 1: play on tonight's game? No, Baker Mayfield, no Nick Chubb, uh,
Speaker 1: No Kareem Hunt, no Odell Beckham Jr. It appears Jarvis
Speaker 1: Landry will play in that Jedrick Wills will play, but
Speaker 1: we don't know about Jadeveon Clowney and others either. So
Speaker 1: the Browns are Bridgewater is playing well and no. So
Speaker 1: I don't have a play on this. I typically try to.
Speaker 1: We already know Thursdays are kind of quirky, and I
Speaker 1: don't play them in any of the contest for sureks
Speaker 1: I don't want to put an all five plays on Thursday.
Speaker 1: But also I rarely played these Thursday games a lot
Speaker 1: of time. If I'm gonna play, it's end game. But
Speaker 1: you're talking about you talked about all the injuries to
Speaker 1: the Cleveland side, Well, Denver, I mean they're down to
Speaker 1: seats and stems at the linebacker position, and we know
Speaker 1: that the strength of the Browns is gonna be running
Speaker 1: the football. Denver Broncos have eight linebackers on injured reserve,
Speaker 1: including all four starters. That's where Vic Fangio, That's where
Speaker 1: his defense starts. He doesn't start up front and move back.
Speaker 1: He starts on the back end. Those back seven and
Speaker 1: It starts at the linebacker position. This is not the
Speaker 1: Dome Patrol going into this game for the Denver Broncos,
Speaker 1: and I think that's gonna be the struggle here is
Speaker 1: at least you know what the identity of the Cleveland
Speaker 1: Browns are. Regardless of where they're banged up on the
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage with the offensive line and who's gonna
Speaker 1: be running the football for Cleveland, They're gonna be able
Speaker 1: to attack in between the hashes against the Denver Broncos
Speaker 1: based on all the injuries that they have at the
Speaker 1: linebacker spot. And I think that's where you can attack
Speaker 1: him running the football. You can also attack him in
Speaker 1: the middle of the ball throwing the football. It is
Speaker 1: case Keenum out there. So in a sense, we've got
Speaker 1: two backup quarterbacks. I mean, that's ultimately what Teddy Bridgewater
Speaker 1: is for the Denver Broncos. He's a journeyman banging around
Speaker 1: as a backup for the last handful of years since
Speaker 1: his injury in Minnesota. If anything, I'd probably be leaning
Speaker 1: towards the Browns playing at home. I think for Denver
Speaker 1: right now, I think there's disconnect within that franchise. We
Speaker 1: didn't see any leadership out of that team last week,
Speaker 1: nor on from the sideline or on the field for
Speaker 1: the Denver Broncos playing against talking about it that where
Speaker 1: the heads were for the Raiders are clearly the better team,
Speaker 1: The more focused team was the was the Las Vegas
Speaker 1: Raiders coming into Mile High. Then the Broncos take the
Speaker 1: day off, you have a short week. They didn't practice
Speaker 1: on Monday, so no practice going into this game. I
Speaker 1: just think that this this team right now is aside
Speaker 1: from the first three games we saw, it was a
Speaker 1: really soft schedule for the Denver Broncos. They've had to
Speaker 1: play some They've actually had to play some teams the
Speaker 1: last three weeks and got it handed to them, two
Speaker 1: of which were at home. I don't like the spot
Speaker 1: for the Broncos going on road in this spot. That
Speaker 1: line has been teetering. I see it now a lot
Speaker 1: of one and a half short number in favor of
Speaker 1: the Browns. Probably just if I get involved, fellas would
Speaker 1: be in game. But right now, my initial lean, even
Speaker 1: though they're beat up, would be the Cleveland Browns at home. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Broncos played the Giants, Jaguars, and Jets to start the
Speaker 1: season three and oh then they played Baltimore Pittsburgh in
Speaker 1: Las Vegas three and three, Mikey or Todd any any
Speaker 1: plays on tonight's game total at forty one. By the way,
Speaker 1: Todd DoD, I mean, if there was ever a game
Speaker 1: that was ripe for end game, which I think should
Speaker 1: be done in all games, this is the game, of course,
Speaker 1: because what you're gonna see is if Keith Keenham turns around,
Speaker 1: hands the ball or whoever's the running back. Remember, Cleveland
Speaker 1: Brown's offensive line is just blasting open holes and if
Speaker 1: they can run the football, and you see that early,
Speaker 1: then I say you got to take the Browns because
Speaker 1: at that point you'll know that the Browns can move
Speaker 1: the ball at least on the ground. And who knows
Speaker 1: what's going to be with the Broncos. So I have
Speaker 1: absolutely no uh pre game play, but this is certainly
Speaker 1: a game you can get involved with in game if
Speaker 1: you if you see what's happening with all the you know,
Speaker 1: with all the differences that are gonna be on the
Speaker 1: field today, Mikey, Mike, I debate using this game um
Speaker 1: as one of my three best bets really well, yes,
Speaker 1: because I don't think that I think the line has
Speaker 1: overmoved here. I still think two and a half or
Speaker 1: three is the right line, not one and a half
Speaker 1: of them. Although I lowered them after that that disjointed
Speaker 1: performance at home against Arizona. They look very undisciplined. Look,
Speaker 1: I think the biggest thing that that's hurt them so
Speaker 1: far as Landry being out, Actually he's and he's back,
Speaker 1: and this becomes a you know, a teaser lake for
Speaker 1: the Broncos to go through the three and the seven now.
Speaker 1: But I'm not I'm gonna I'm gonna take down. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna let me lay the one. Let me lay the
Speaker 1: one year. Give me a Kevin Sumlin quarterback, all right,
Speaker 1: get me case Keenom. The last time I looked, he
Speaker 1: was leading the Minnesota Vikings to the NFC Championship game
Speaker 1: and going right down the field to go up seven
Speaker 1: nothing on the Eagles. You have the coach, you have
Speaker 1: to you have to say you have the coach edge,
Speaker 1: because I'd much rather have the Browns coach than Vic Fangio.
Speaker 1: So you have to have coaching edge, Mike. He's referring
Speaker 1: to case Keendom's on the evable twenty seventeen season for
Speaker 1: the Vikings that the Vikings are still trying to chase
Speaker 1: the author of the Minnesota miracle in the playoffs to
Speaker 1: Stefon digs against the Saints. But since then he had
Speaker 1: he had a year with Denver where he was pretty
Speaker 1: good through for actually through from more yards that year
Speaker 1: than he did with Minnesota. In twenty nineteen, he played
Speaker 1: eight games, started eight games for Washington. They went one
Speaker 1: in seven. He was I Since then he has thrown
Speaker 1: a grand total love thirteen passes. So three years, no, well,
Speaker 1: actually two years thirteen passes. This is my number three.
Speaker 1: Play put that down for my number number. There's things
Speaker 1: on the Twitter and the Facebook. They tracked on our right,
Speaker 1: All right, James the number one best bet sir, either
Speaker 1: side or total? What he got? I think the best
Speaker 1: bet for me on the board is gonna be, well,
Speaker 1: I don't know. We're picking three, right, so I think
Speaker 1: a flat bet all three and not choose one over
Speaker 1: the other. As far as the best bet out of
Speaker 1: the three. Let's go to the Let's go to the
Speaker 1: a f C North and let's talk about this big
Speaker 1: matchup with the Bengals going on the road. Catching six
Speaker 1: and a half against the Baltimore Ravens, now Baltimore. Is
Speaker 1: there a more galvinized team right now? Is there a
Speaker 1: team that's had to deal with more injuries prior to
Speaker 1: the season coming in, we knew all the injuries that
Speaker 1: hit the running back position. The offensive line took a
Speaker 1: to I mean, I don't even know who's left on
Speaker 1: the offensive line. We know Staley has done for the year,
Speaker 1: really didn't play much. The center went down. I know
Speaker 1: they had another guy go down against the Colts on
Speaker 1: that Monday night, So they're really beat up at the
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. But I think the thing for the
Speaker 1: Ravens is those kind of things have motivated them each
Speaker 1: and every week. With all the injuries and everybody casting stones,
Speaker 1: this team is not gonna be They're gonna be regression
Speaker 1: for the bal Baltimore Ravens going into this season, and
Speaker 1: then all the injuries piled up on top of it,
Speaker 1: and they continue to pile up. Yet they play high
Speaker 1: level game after high level game, high intensity game, crazy comebacks.
Speaker 1: We saw that a few weeks back against Detroit and
Speaker 1: Justin Tucker, who's the best weapon on that team, really
Speaker 1: uh for best kicker and probably best kicker in the
Speaker 1: history of the NFL. Being able to knock in that
Speaker 1: sixty six yarder. Like each and every week they're playing
Speaker 1: these high level, high intensity games. Same thing. Last week,
Speaker 1: all the talking is about the Chargers rolling in there
Speaker 1: and we're gonna beat the Ravens, and there now the
Speaker 1: charge of the new contender in the a f C. Now,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, the Ravens are. They don't have
Speaker 1: that chip on their shoulder to play here to say
Speaker 1: we are the we're the underdog going and nobody gives
Speaker 1: us the shot here. This is where I think this
Speaker 1: is the gravity of the the thinking about the energy
Speaker 1: and the emotion expended each and every week for this
Speaker 1: Ravens team. I think it kind of catches up here.
Speaker 1: Not that I'm saying that they're gonna lose this game
Speaker 1: out right, but the Bengals coming in I was kind
Speaker 1: of impressed, not with the performance and not beating the
Speaker 1: Detroit Lions on the road, but I thought that was
Speaker 1: the perfect sandwich spot right there for the Cincinnati Bengals.
Speaker 1: Think about the week before, huge huge hype around the
Speaker 1: Bengals playing at home against Aaron Rodgers, rolling in the
Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers, crazy game, wild game, Wild finished terrible
Speaker 1: kicking for both sides. We should just a live and
Speaker 1: eight football kickers. We should just eliminate place kickers from
Speaker 1: the NFL entirely, let him play four downs like we
Speaker 1: did playing pee wee football here. I think now for
Speaker 1: the Bengals rolling in, they were able to keep their
Speaker 1: focus coming in. It was a total sandwich spot. You know,
Speaker 1: you have a big game against the a f C
Speaker 1: North leading Baltimore Evans who handled you last year. They
Speaker 1: kicked your ass last year. Sixty five to six in
Speaker 1: those two games was the collective score. I think you
Speaker 1: might see a little, uh, the Ravens being a little
Speaker 1: overconfident in this situation. They have the bye week on
Speaker 1: deck next week as well. You know, they're really banged up,
Speaker 1: a lot of wounds to be licked, and I think
Speaker 1: they're gonna come in a little a little overconfident in
Speaker 1: this spot. I like the Bengals catching the six and
Speaker 1: a half points. I was pretty impressed with just their
Speaker 1: mental focus last week and go in and handle business
Speaker 1: the way that they did in Detroit in lieu of
Speaker 1: this game on deck here, it's an earlier start here.
Speaker 1: Not as much hype around this game, definitely not as
Speaker 1: much hype for the Ravens, a little fat and happy
Speaker 1: Baltimore rolling in this spot. I'll take the Bengals plus
Speaker 1: six and a half. It's my number three too, Bang
Speaker 1: was plus six and a half. Just I think says
Speaker 1: that we did the power rankings. Uh, Matt Brown, Kelly
Speaker 1: Bilin and I did it on prime time actution, Jeff
Speaker 1: Parlay and I did it on a numbers game. By
Speaker 1: the way, all four of us independently came up with
Speaker 1: the same ten teams reshuffled as our top ten, so
Speaker 1: that the notion that four of us matched on ten
Speaker 1: teams reshuffled or not, it is pretty unbelievable. Actually, I
Speaker 1: agree with you, because I think there's five teams in
Speaker 1: each conference, I could win the conference right after that.
Speaker 1: It's a pretty precipitous drop. But Cincinnati did end up
Speaker 1: being my eleven team. Uh so that's the one where
Speaker 1: it starts to fall. But I like the Kansas City
Speaker 1: Chiefs was ten. Oh you want the whole ten? No? No,
Speaker 1: I was curious as who the who made the where
Speaker 1: the nine, ten, eleven, twelve line was, Yeah, there's a
Speaker 1: cliff is so Chiefs ten, Bengals eleven? And then I
Speaker 1: think it was Raiders twelve or something. Basically the cliff
Speaker 1: after that after eleven is pretty precipitous. Raiders, Panthers, Saints.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the ilk of teams you get to
Speaker 1: at that point. Who was your ninth Cowboys are the charge?
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, neither ninth was. I had Baltimore out
Speaker 1: of the top ten. There my ninth. Now Cleveland left
Speaker 1: the top ten. How are you having the Cowboys? Six? Six? Um?
Speaker 1: So I'm with James. I think the Bengals have a
Speaker 1: really sneaky good defense. I think Jamore, I think the
Speaker 1: Borrow Jamore Chase thing is is really awesome. It's a
Speaker 1: solid offense. And I'm not I'm like I said, I
Speaker 1: have Baltimore nine. I'm not this massive believer in them
Speaker 1: yet six and hals a lot of points. I'm taking
Speaker 1: the Bengals. That's my three though, Mikey, your next number one, Well, no, Mike,
Speaker 1: you already has a pick. I have done zero. Okay,
Speaker 1: go ahead, you're to get I have to give my
Speaker 1: number two right now because it's the same game they have. Okay,
Speaker 1: there you go. It's the under in this game. You know,
Speaker 1: why don't you just give you and then and then
Speaker 1: and then I go last in the in and teaser.
Speaker 1: I like the under forty seven here. Odd remember this
Speaker 1: game last year was twenty seven nothing. I think, James,
Speaker 1: you referenced the composite square that games and in the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter that they kept mixing in there, just kept slamming,
Speaker 1: mixing into the line, running, mixing over and over with
Speaker 1: the running clock down twenty seven. I don't know if
Speaker 1: they kicked the field or whatever on the end, but
Speaker 1: they like they were trying to get a score, but
Speaker 1: they weren't gonna let Burrow get hit anymore. They just
Speaker 1: kept killing this kid. It was like he got killed
Speaker 1: in Chicago and Soldier Field and in week two, I
Speaker 1: think I like the Cincinnati defense though. Yeah and a
Speaker 1: half and a half or forty seven, it's forty seven.
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you right now, I don't care what
Speaker 1: your baiting game board says you have. What do you
Speaker 1: have more more of six and a halfs or forty seven?
Speaker 1: I'm just looking at the certain games. You know what
Speaker 1: this is more? Well, I have four, I have forty
Speaker 1: six out here, so we'll go. Let's go with I mean,
Speaker 1: I think we should go with the circle lines. He's
Speaker 1: right there isn't Mike Mike garantew in front of the
Speaker 1: board right there, we just go off the live line
Speaker 1: and circuit. Well, no, I don't want to go off
Speaker 1: the live line by by a circus the worst forty
Speaker 1: five and a half here, all right, I'll give you
Speaker 1: forty six and a half time. But anyhow, I think
Speaker 1: both these teams are Look, you have to be impressed
Speaker 1: by the fact that the Ravens totally shutdown Mike Williams
Speaker 1: last week. Look, Martindale said, you're not gonna beat us
Speaker 1: over the top. You're gonna have to drive the ball.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to take ten place, twelve place, four
Speaker 1: team play, and the Chargers couldn't sustain the drives. They
Speaker 1: were the first team that really foiled the Church. Remember
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. It was penalties, false starts, turnovers that stopped
Speaker 1: the charges, not the defense. The Ravens defensive. I think
Speaker 1: this is a good defensive matchup. I think this game
Speaker 1: is in the thirties. Actually, so that's my second place
Speaker 1: under forty six and a half. Yeah, we don't want
Speaker 1: those people will say, oh, it's affirmative action for mediocre
Speaker 1: radio guys. We don't want to Christians ufermative action for
Speaker 1: the Christians Baltimore. By the way, Baltimore held the Chargers
Speaker 1: to season low's last week in points, passing yards, and
Speaker 1: rushing yards six points a hundred an two passing yards
Speaker 1: twenty six rushing yards. Um. Just a comprehensive win. People
Speaker 1: aren to make a lot about those Brandon Stailey fourth
Speaker 1: downs that he went for in risky fashion, but those
Speaker 1: only resulted in six Baltimore points. That was a comprehensive
Speaker 1: win for the Ravens. As far as the Bengals, four
Speaker 1: wins and as many is as many wins as they
Speaker 1: had all of the last season. Zach Taylor had six
Speaker 1: wins in four years. Now he has four wins in
Speaker 1: six weeks. Why don't you give a couple of picks,
Speaker 1: Give a couple of Todd Snaked, give a cup? Why not?
Speaker 1: Why not? Um? Okay, I'm gonna go with my first
Speaker 1: pick being the Arizona Houston game. I'd like to take
Speaker 1: it under forty seven and a half. Um. If you
Speaker 1: look at the score of the Houston football team scored,
Speaker 1: take out the Tyrod Taylor game. Because with Tyrod Taylor,
Speaker 1: they were actually not bad. Um, we actually won with
Speaker 1: them early on in the season against Jacksonville and covered
Speaker 1: that Cleveland game as well. But since then, they've scored
Speaker 1: nine points at home against Carolina, they scored a grand
Speaker 1: total of zero point zero at the Buffalo Bills, and
Speaker 1: a game they were down forty nothing, which means they
Speaker 1: didn't even get backdoor touchdowns when they were down a million.
Speaker 1: In the New England game they got twenty two. Lost
Speaker 1: twenty five to twenty two. Okay, you know, I'll give
Speaker 1: him credit for that. And then last week at Indianapolis
Speaker 1: they lose thirty one to three, a grand total of
Speaker 1: three points on the road. Now, Arizona defensively, to me,
Speaker 1: has been playing well. I was really impressed with how
Speaker 1: they played last week again on the road at Cleveland,
Speaker 1: made a whole bunch of turnovers, played very well defensively,
Speaker 1: played very well defensively the week before against San Francisco,
Speaker 1: only giving up ten points. The week before that, they
Speaker 1: only gave up the Rams twenty and one of those
Speaker 1: was a backdoor touchdown to Stafford, who used to be
Speaker 1: a backdoor touchdown machine in Detroit. So they've been playing
Speaker 1: very well defensively. Really. The only game they didn't play
Speaker 1: well defensively was the Minnesota game where they gave up
Speaker 1: thirty three. Other than that, they gave up only thirteen
Speaker 1: on the road at Tennessee. This Arizona defense is pretty
Speaker 1: decent in my opinion. So I don't see how Houston's
Speaker 1: getting more than ten points this week. So if Houston
Speaker 1: gets ten and Arizona gets thirty seven, Mike, according to
Speaker 1: my math, that's forty seven and a half under. So
Speaker 1: I'll take under forty seven and a half with a
Speaker 1: final score of Arizona winning at thirty seven to ten.
Speaker 1: Gil Am I doing anything wrong here? Or is this correct? Uh?
Speaker 1: That sounds sounds Southern math sounds correct. Arizona has scored
Speaker 1: thirty plus points in five of six games this season. Um,
Speaker 1: just you know, sighting facts here, what has happened? And
Speaker 1: then they pulled the plug in those games if you
Speaker 1: notice they were they were up thirty eight thirteen going
Speaker 1: to the fourth quarter. The final score was thirteen in
Speaker 1: that game. In the Rams game, they got the thirty
Speaker 1: seven and pulled the plug as well. And they you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not worried about that. They'll just run it and
Speaker 1: will say this about Houston last week and defeat against
Speaker 1: the Colts for those of us who have the Colts
Speaker 1: and survivor and lost on Houston plus the point, so
Speaker 1: I was playing in both sides there. That game was
Speaker 1: really close early in the third quarter, was ten to three,
Speaker 1: and then the Davis Mills picked at Darius Leonard made
Speaker 1: it seventeen to three. The Colts had the one big
Speaker 1: Jonathan Taylor run that led to it being seventeen to three.
Speaker 1: I guess what I'm saying is, um, that the interception
Speaker 1: really changed that game and that I could see you
Speaker 1: getting torpedoed by that more than anything. Right, if Davis
Speaker 1: Mills but offense, but their offense wasn't playing good, their
Speaker 1: defense was playing good. Right, But what I'm saying, you
Speaker 1: got you took the under in this game, right under. Yes,
Speaker 1: So what I'm saying is if Davis Mills has another
Speaker 1: terrible pick in their own territory, that kind of thing,
Speaker 1: that's how it's happening. Okay, now, what's another one? Top? Okay,
Speaker 1: I'll give you another one. My My next one is
Speaker 1: going to be another under under forty seven and a
Speaker 1: half again, this time with the Miami Dolls. Miami Dolphins.
Speaker 1: This team's offense thinks so bad you can't smell. You
Speaker 1: gotta watch the game with the smell turned down because
Speaker 1: it smells so bad. They're the worst offensive team I've
Speaker 1: ever seen. Watching the guests react to it, James is
Speaker 1: just like, I can't leave this guy, James. I haven't
Speaker 1: signed that. I haven't golphin song in four weeks, and
Speaker 1: they complain on Twitter that I don't sing the song.
Speaker 1: So I had to give it to them this week
Speaker 1: because I was in the Miami game. Miami under forty
Speaker 1: seven and a half against Atlanta. I am not impressed
Speaker 1: with Matt Ryan and his five yard check checkdown throws. Uh.
Speaker 1: They take a long time moving the ball down the field, Miami.
Speaker 1: Do we really need to talk about what Miami does
Speaker 1: offensively because it's not good. I don't care who the
Speaker 1: quarterback is. I don't care if it's two A Tagavaloa
Speaker 1: or whoever else they decided to play a quarterback. I'm
Speaker 1: not impressed. I watched the Jacksonville game. I was up
Speaker 1: nice and bright and early to watch the live from London.
Speaker 1: I didn't see anything. Yeah, East Coast nine thirty. I
Speaker 1: was up bright and early. I was up till two
Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning watching West Coast college football. Where
Speaker 1: are you, Gilly? That's only six hours later we wake
Speaker 1: up at six thirty to watch it here. That's all
Speaker 1: I'm saying. It's anyways. My point is the Atlanta Falcons
Speaker 1: don't don't impress me that much on offense. Miami Dolphins
Speaker 1: certainly don't impressed me much on offense. So if I'm
Speaker 1: going to get a number like forty seven and a
Speaker 1: half in a game like this, give me the under
Speaker 1: forty seven and a half. I think you know, Miami's
Speaker 1: defense is better than their offense too, so you know,
Speaker 1: just get me more under. I don't mind the tune,
Speaker 1: but he's no Alan Lerner was a Learner again Learner
Speaker 1: and Low the lyrics system the Learner and Low. He
Speaker 1: wrote the lyrics to Low's music. Oh you didn't like
Speaker 1: my my lyrics that I came up with on the flight,
Speaker 1: he said, smell like eight times the right A little.
Speaker 1: I was a little overly, Uh, but I do. He's
Speaker 1: on the fly, Mike, he said, it's very difficent, just
Speaker 1: like the picks by the way, doing the Power rankings.
Speaker 1: He just got it. He got it to be late.
Speaker 1: I like the doing the Power rankings. So Texans ended
Speaker 1: up thirty two, and then you know some mix of
Speaker 1: Jacksonville and the Giants and the Jets and all these
Speaker 1: facata teams. If I may say that word again, but
Speaker 1: that the most surprising team from a preseason standpoint in
Speaker 1: that bottom group is the Dolphins, Like they are just awful,
Speaker 1: so bad, and urban Mire did everything in his power
Speaker 1: to lose that game, and the Dolphins still couldn't take
Speaker 1: it from him. Brian flora Is, who I used to
Speaker 1: really like me here, has really late a gigantic I
Speaker 1: am shocked with how poorly this guy's coach. You remember,
Speaker 1: earlier in the season, I was like, look at Brian
Speaker 1: floor Is doing it with mirrors last year, and now
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it's just like real garbage. The
Speaker 1: thing about smoking mirrors. Are there smoking mirrors? That's the thing,
Speaker 1: James E. What's number two for you? Number two? We're gonna, uh,
Speaker 1: We're We're going back to that Arizona Cardinal game in
Speaker 1: the Texans, and I'm gonna go with the I'm taking
Speaker 1: the seventeen. I'm playing the number here and I'm playing
Speaker 1: the spot. This isn't about the team. We will give
Speaker 1: you seventeen and a half because it's about five places
Speaker 1: that are seventeen and a half. If i'll if we
Speaker 1: get the hook on it, I'll take the hook on it.
Speaker 1: So thinking about I just playing the playing the number
Speaker 1: for one. Obviously it's the NFL, and I know the
Speaker 1: Texans have been huge dogs going in these games that
Speaker 1: they can't score. Just like you said, to the offense
Speaker 1: under David Mills, they're struggling that not running the foot.
Speaker 1: It's just the complete the Bugeye. We knew it was
Speaker 1: going to be that for the Texans. The Texans, I
Speaker 1: think outside of Week one where they handed it to
Speaker 1: the Jacksonville Jaguars, who are a road favorite in Week one,
Speaker 1: I think the Texans have lived up to all the
Speaker 1: low expectations coming into this season and and we knew
Speaker 1: it was gonna be a bad season for them, not
Speaker 1: only from the coaching perspective, all the stuff going on
Speaker 1: with Deshaun Watson off the field, and then just the
Speaker 1: depleted roster that really and just sort of such a
Speaker 1: short time that O'Brien just completely uh just decimated that roster.
Speaker 1: But thinking here with I just look at the scheduling
Speaker 1: spot for the Arizona Cardinals. Now, the first six weeks
Speaker 1: of the they're they're the only undefeated team in the league.
Speaker 1: We know that. And the first six weeks competing each
Speaker 1: and every week obviously to be six and oh but four.
Speaker 1: Those four of those six games were on the road,
Speaker 1: so there's been a lot of travel. We know, all
Speaker 1: the rolling in to what to Cleveland last week, the
Speaker 1: COVID situation going on with the coaching staff, some of
Speaker 1: the injuries that they had going into that role. Everybody,
Speaker 1: well at least a lot of folks loved leveland in
Speaker 1: that spot, and that was where the underdog role is
Speaker 1: for the Cardinals. Again, I think these are teams that
Speaker 1: find a way to find motivation to put a chip
Speaker 1: on their shoulder. Nobody thinks we can win. Let's go
Speaker 1: into Cleveland and put a looking on him, and obviously
Speaker 1: they did. Now they're gonna come back home play one
Speaker 1: of the worst teams in the NFL, and what's looming
Speaker 1: on deck. This is the ultimate sandwich spot here where
Speaker 1: you've got the Green Bay Packers coming in on a
Speaker 1: short week on Thursday. So it's a tight week for
Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals. You're playing a bad football team to
Speaker 1: where you. This is one of those games where you
Speaker 1: just let's just do it. Let's get through it, let's
Speaker 1: stay healthy, and let's compete, keep playing for that number
Speaker 1: one seed in the NFC. Let's make ourselves now that
Speaker 1: not only the Cardinals made themselves a contender in the
Speaker 1: NFC West, they've actually made themselves a contender for the
Speaker 1: NFC and continue to move on. You got a big
Speaker 1: game with green Bay looming on that short week here.
Speaker 1: I just don't see the energy, the intensity in this game,
Speaker 1: in this matchup for the Arizona Cardinals to come out
Speaker 1: and be ready to be fired up. They just got
Speaker 1: to get through this game as healthy as they can
Speaker 1: and take on the Green Bay Packers come Thursday night.
Speaker 1: So I love the scheduling spot here. That's what I'm playing.
Speaker 1: I'm playing the number, so of Todd, you're gonna give
Speaker 1: me seventeen and a half, love it. I'll take the
Speaker 1: hook playing the number and I'm playing against the scheduling
Speaker 1: spot here for the Arizona Cardinals. So make mine the
Speaker 1: Houston Texans plus seventeen and a half. I'm gonna have
Speaker 1: to go before James on my on my first pick
Speaker 1: because I like if you're giving me seventeen and a half.
Speaker 1: I'm taking the Texans too, and I'll go back to
Speaker 1: what everything you said, James, the scheduling spot. Uh, the Texans,
Speaker 1: they've really only gotten Yes, they are the worst team
Speaker 1: in football, a power ranked thirty two. They've really only
Speaker 1: gotten blown out legit once by the Buffalo Bills last
Speaker 1: two weeks. Again, two weeks ago there should have beaten
Speaker 1: the New England Patriots, Patriots miraculously one for all survivor players.
Speaker 1: But this past week thirty one to three on the scoreboard.
Speaker 1: But again that's a that was ten to three after
Speaker 1: halftime at Indianapolis in Indianapolis. I mean that was a
Speaker 1: must win. If we don't win this game, our season
Speaker 1: is done. Kind of win for Indianapolis on their home field.
Speaker 1: And the Texans hung until he threw that bad pick
Speaker 1: Darius Leonard, until they gave up that one play that
Speaker 1: game got out of hand. But it was really a
Speaker 1: much closer ball game than that. The other the games
Speaker 1: before that Buffalo blow out. We're pretty competitive too, So
Speaker 1: seventeen and a half, it's just in order to get
Speaker 1: back into this little contest of ours. Every time a
Speaker 1: seventeen and a half appears on an NFL slate, it's
Speaker 1: almost incumbent upon me to take it. You have to
Speaker 1: take it. You have to take it. And I'm taking
Speaker 1: the Texans. By the way, the Texans are gonna cover
Speaker 1: six or seven games at the end of the year.
Speaker 1: The NFL teams are gonna very almost all of them
Speaker 1: are gonna get near eight or nine covers. So you
Speaker 1: gotta come up with some covers. Here's the one to cover.
Speaker 1: There's one to cover. Uh, Mikey your second. I've already
Speaker 1: given two. You have, all right? Can I give? Can
Speaker 1: I give my a third? One? There to give? You
Speaker 1: to give your third? Yeah, let me give by which
Speaker 1: is my first? I am actually gonna roll and I
Speaker 1: this is my uh go against a potential survivor pick play. Um,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take the New England Patriots and uh and
Speaker 1: lay the points. This one is actually four for a
Speaker 1: potential survivor play. And I say this somewhat precariously because
Speaker 1: the Jets have extra rest here. They're one in four
Speaker 1: coming off a bye week. The Patriots and the most
Speaker 1: heartbreaking of fashion, lose to the Dallas Cowboys last week.
Speaker 1: Should never have lost that game. Dallas though there is
Speaker 1: a case to be made that Dallas could have blown
Speaker 1: him off the field. Dallas ended up with three points
Speaker 1: on three first and goal situations, with three red zone
Speaker 1: situations I should say, I should say in the first
Speaker 1: half of that game, So there is a there's a
Speaker 1: case to be made that New England could have gotten
Speaker 1: blown off the field. You know, how was he not
Speaker 1: in on third? His whole his whole body is over
Speaker 1: the Dak Preston. But why didn't they review that? Because
Speaker 1: it was just happening too fast? Is that what happened?
Speaker 1: I don't know who has to do? It was under
Speaker 1: two minutes. Why didn't they failed? But they needed to
Speaker 1: review DJ metcalf to see if he caught it. DK
Speaker 1: metca But the d K mccalf, I was picking up
Speaker 1: tennis money. I was in the casino walking and watching
Speaker 1: and looking at the screens, so I didn't have audio,
Speaker 1: but I'm watching he was phenomenal. So the the what
Speaker 1: a match, by the way, the the so that that
Speaker 1: Seahawks review was on a screen, I didn't have a
Speaker 1: benefit of audio. So the whole time I'm thinking they're reviewing,
Speaker 1: did the spike happen before the gun or whatever they'd
Speaker 1: use now to end the game. At no point without
Speaker 1: the benefit of audio, did I think to myself, Oh,
Speaker 1: they're reviewing the catch? What what were the reviewers? Were
Speaker 1: not a bounds? Why is he running down the field?
Speaker 1: He thought he was going to crash in and get
Speaker 1: a couple more yards and then be knocked out. But
Speaker 1: he didn't eat any more yards, just jump out of bounds.
Speaker 1: He was Channon Sharp agrees with you, Todd. Did you
Speaker 1: see that Twitter battle? It made? It made no hyper
Speaker 1: ball metcalf decision to stay in bounce. Yes. By the way, Gil,
Speaker 1: have you ever heard no Hyperball? It's a mediocre radio
Speaker 1: show host steals a segment from a great guest and
Speaker 1: comes up with his own thing and never ever attributes
Speaker 1: it to that great guest. Shocker for a Christian who
Speaker 1: believes eaves in treating others nicely. Grievances, grievances, grievances, grievances
Speaker 1: with Todd's olds. By the way I asked to I
Speaker 1: just want to explain to the audience because we're too
Speaker 1: much inside those who don't there's there's a huge portion
Speaker 1: of this podcast audience that doesn't listen to Visa Grievances
Speaker 1: was a segment that the Great Todd Wishnev once did
Speaker 1: on a numbers game My show on Visa Wish Wednesday
Speaker 1: WISH Wednesdays, and then Mike Palm alleged by Todd Wishnev
Speaker 1: I think maybe I can agreed with the with the allegation,
Speaker 1: uh took his segment, renamed it, repackaged it as as
Speaker 1: something called and I still don't understand the name no
Speaker 1: hyperbole and we as as as members of the tribe,
Speaker 1: call it goyam grievances. You had like a David Letterman
Speaker 1: cadence there as you were just you were. I'm not
Speaker 1: really a member of the tribe. I'm a renounced member.
Speaker 1: But still the point still is the point. You know what, Pa,
Speaker 1: and you know what Hashem just did he froze your
Speaker 1: screen because of that blasphemy right there? But can you
Speaker 1: hear me? Still? I want to ask Todd, but why
Speaker 1: was tom one so upset? Why the ball with two seconds?
Speaker 1: Why is he upset? They reviewed and make him spike
Speaker 1: it again? I had absolutely no idea, But by that
Speaker 1: point I had eaten so much and not and I
Speaker 1: want you to know because remember I went over two
Speaker 1: years without eating any delicious thing, any kind of carbohydrate,
Speaker 1: any bagel, and any chips, and he pizza, any anything,
Speaker 1: and he tater talks. I've actually slipped over the last
Speaker 1: month or so and eaten some horrible stuff, and that's
Speaker 1: why I'm in Disasterville area. But I had some nachos
Speaker 1: at the game and was delicious. Anyway, it's Belichick against Salah,
Speaker 1: and I'm taking Belichick of the Patriots. I think after
Speaker 1: that loss, they recognize if this season is going to
Speaker 1: be anything, they must beat the New York Jets. The
Speaker 1: spread is seven. I'm willing to lay the points. They
Speaker 1: crushed him the first time they played this year, but
Speaker 1: there's the first rematch of any game this year between
Speaker 1: two teams. I think, uh, I trust Belichick to duplicate
Speaker 1: that more than I do solid to overcome. This may
Speaker 1: be a controversial statement, but I think the Patriots are
Speaker 1: clearly the survivor played this week. I think they're my survivors.
Speaker 1: I think they're clearly People said, well, but they're gonna
Speaker 1: play Jacksonville late. It might be a lot better by
Speaker 1: then two with Trevor Lawrence your way in. Yeah, they're
Speaker 1: the Mikey palm show. Uh goham grievances. No, but I
Speaker 1: think that I think that that's we'll get a survivor.
Speaker 1: But I think that's my play. I think it is
Speaker 1: your number three. I'm gonna this is actually my number one.
Speaker 1: That was my number one. People will be surprised by this,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna take the Chicago I am surprised by this.
Speaker 1: I'm not typically a big take a lot of points
Speaker 1: guy Bears. I'm just not impressed with the Stampa Bay
Speaker 1: defense now really now it fields because the secondary they
Speaker 1: don't have a secondary. Now maybe you can argue the
Speaker 1: Bears don't have the quarterback to take advantage, and would
Speaker 1: argue that. You would argue, but this Bears defense is
Speaker 1: not bad. And I don't know. And look, Brady's got
Speaker 1: extra rest, right they played on Thursday night. I think
Speaker 1: the Bears are live to win this game. Well, I
Speaker 1: think that if the Bears are within the Bears are
Speaker 1: within a score at halftime, they're live to win this game. Now,
Speaker 1: they beat Tampa Bay last year. Remember on a Thursday
Speaker 1: night in Chicago. They made that when you know, right,
Speaker 1: that was that game. But they made him look silly
Speaker 1: in that it's funny of the big favorites, and we're
Speaker 1: talking about Cardinals minus seventeen and a half, the Rams
Speaker 1: or what fifteen or whatever they are? Um and then
Speaker 1: this one, this is the one that actually feel more
Speaker 1: confident about the favorite at all. But you've seen my record,
Speaker 1: so you should agree to this. You shouldn't be so deterred.
Speaker 1: I won't go ahead to head with Todd, but I
Speaker 1: had faded with you this one. You can am I
Speaker 1: getting here with you. I actually like your pick on Bears,
Speaker 1: and I like the Texans plus seventeen and a half. Two?
Speaker 1: What are you listening this? Twelve and a half? Todd? Half?
Speaker 1: James up for his third pick? James, what do you got? No? Three? Well,
Speaker 1: I've scratched my number three and I've changed my mind,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to roll with tonight's game. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: at the Cleveland Browns. Whatever number we're getting, one and
Speaker 1: a half, it's less than a field one. What made
Speaker 1: you guys? Name the number as long as long as
Speaker 1: as long as it's less than three. Just thinking about it.
Speaker 1: And I've been thinking about where where Denver's head is.
Speaker 1: And this is more so the fact that we've talked
Speaker 1: about the linebackers. We know they're against season stems in
Speaker 1: the linebacker. I don't know who's gonna play. They're looking
Speaker 1: at Jefferson Park to try to pick up some players
Speaker 1: over there. That's where I used to play football when
Speaker 1: I was a kid. It's two blocks north of Mile
Speaker 1: High Stadium, right there, and there there's no linebackers, and
Speaker 1: I just think of Dick Fangio. You know, we we
Speaker 1: talk a lot about these coaches in the NFL, and
Speaker 1: we have the changes in the guard and we've given
Speaker 1: a lot of at least, you know, not a lot
Speaker 1: of with with the analytics that have come into the game.
Speaker 1: We talked about Brandon Staley constantly going forward on fourth down?
Speaker 1: Are these the right moves? And when it works, you're
Speaker 1: a genius. When it doesn't, you're you gotta go old school. Well,
Speaker 1: nobody's more old school in this in this league than
Speaker 1: Vic Fangio when it comes to preparation for one and
Speaker 1: the other pieces in game management and not the Stefanski
Speaker 1: is one of these new millennials taken over the NFL.
Speaker 1: But I love the identity of what the Cleveland Browns are.
Speaker 1: I know they're beat up in the in the backfield
Speaker 1: of running the football. But I just can't get bactive.
Speaker 1: They way that they run the football, in the way
Speaker 1: that they take advantage of the middle of the field.
Speaker 1: That's where Denver's biggest weaknesses right now with all those
Speaker 1: linebackers being out and the fact that Denver, Where's where
Speaker 1: is this Broncos football team's head? The first three weeks
Speaker 1: didn't play anybody, but got a lot of high because
Speaker 1: they came and won those first three games. Are they
Speaker 1: contender in the a f C West, can they compete
Speaker 1: with Kansas City Chargers, etcetera? And then we've seen the
Speaker 1: last three weeks, especially last week playing the Raiders, where
Speaker 1: a lot of question marks. Where were the Raiders heads
Speaker 1: coming into that game? While the Raiders were the focus team,
Speaker 1: not the Denver Broncos. The Denver I just don't think
Speaker 1: there's any leadership going on on the sideline right and
Speaker 1: well for the Denver Broncos nor on the field. And
Speaker 1: then offensively, Teddy Bridgewater, he just looks so frail back there.
Speaker 1: He looks looks like he's just smaller and smaller over
Speaker 1: the course of the years, and now he's starting to
Speaker 1: curl up. You see this pass rush getting to him.
Speaker 1: The Raiders were all over him last week at there
Speaker 1: was four turnovers at a Teddy Bridgewater, three interceptions, and
Speaker 1: he put one ball on the ground. All of a sudden,
Speaker 1: that's gonna change, and you're gonna go on the road
Speaker 1: on a short week again into Cleveland tonight Thursday night
Speaker 1: football game. Yes they're banged up, but their identity is
Speaker 1: still intact, and whether it's running the football or that
Speaker 1: play action against all these newfound linebackers with the Denver Broncos.
Speaker 1: I like Cleveland in this spot, even though they're beat up.
Speaker 1: Denver's beat up as well. I'll take the Brown's lane
Speaker 1: less than a field go at home. That's pick number three. Alright,
Speaker 1: you've given three monkeys to one. Okay, here's my last one.
Speaker 1: I am going to go. I'm gonna go back to
Speaker 1: the well with a team that burned me last week.
Speaker 1: I'm going over in the Kansas City, Tennessee game. I
Speaker 1: know the number is ridiculously high. I know it's fifty
Speaker 1: seven and a half and that seems like a ridiculous
Speaker 1: college football total, not at pro football total. But I
Speaker 1: don't care, because have you seen these teams play defense?
Speaker 1: The Kansas City Chiefs. They could have scored even more
Speaker 1: against Washington. They had in reception at the five yard
Speaker 1: line at one point, and I think there was another
Speaker 1: problem inside the ten But obviously the Chiefs are great
Speaker 1: on offense. Obviously the Tennessee Titans are horrendous defensively. We
Speaker 1: saw the Bills go up and down the field against Tennessee.
Speaker 1: We saw every team go up and down the field.
Speaker 1: Who hasn't gone up and down the field easily against Tennessee,
Speaker 1: No one. So we know Kansas City is gonna score
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of points against Tennessee. And you know what,
Speaker 1: I like what the Tennessee offense is coming back into
Speaker 1: form from last year. Kansas City doesn't play any defense,
Speaker 1: and they're gonna stop Derrick Henry. Give me a break.
Speaker 1: This game is going over a college number fifty seven
Speaker 1: and a half because these teams are both the ultimate
Speaker 1: and overs. And I know they make it so high
Speaker 1: because they want you, They want you to say, oh
Speaker 1: my god, I can't go over fifty seven and a half.
Speaker 1: It's too crazy, you know what I'm doing it anyways,
Speaker 1: give me over fifty seven and a half because these
Speaker 1: teams are the ultimate over, teams in the National Football League.
Speaker 1: That was gonna be my third pick if I didn't
Speaker 1: use the Yeah Browns tonight. Okay, so you're with me
Speaker 1: half okay, which brings us to teaser before sever Yes,
Speaker 1: and I go, I go, you go left until I
Speaker 1: take a clear lead over Todd that he can go last. Bro,
Speaker 1: I'm the dude debat. I hate to tell you under
Speaker 1: Gilly I won. You have your little battle with Todd
Speaker 1: while I destroy That's fine, I'm sorry. What is your record?
Speaker 1: So we're so Todd has a half game lead over
Speaker 1: me and the teasers five, you have a half game
Speaker 1: lead over me? Yeah, what's that? I'm the defending champion
Speaker 1: on teasers I won last year, did you well? Yes?
Speaker 1: I mean you know what's that same about the sun
Speaker 1: shining and a dog's behind? What is that? Okay? Alright,
Speaker 1: your teaser of the week, James, let us start with
Speaker 1: you to six point six point teaser of the week.
Speaker 1: Two teams, six point teaser. Let's go the first half
Speaker 1: with We'll take the as the City Chiefs and we'll
Speaker 1: drop it to basically a pickup, right or a plus
Speaker 1: a half whatever their four and a half? Okay, then
Speaker 1: give me the one and a half, I have five
Speaker 1: and a half out here. That's the beauty. We got
Speaker 1: numbers all over the place, especially out of here in Colorado,
Speaker 1: we got twenty different operators. I could choose from four
Speaker 1: and a half probably up to six, but I'll put
Speaker 1: the Kansas City Chiefe. Kansas City Chiefs in that teaser
Speaker 1: talked about the defenses on both sides. Absolutely nobody can
Speaker 1: stop either side. But I think about the Titans here
Speaker 1: now apparently well I thought Taylor the one was on
Speaker 1: the Bills are on the Titans. Apar plates for the Bills.
Speaker 1: But the fact that you don't have your left tackle there,
Speaker 1: I think that's that's crucial for that offensive line. We
Speaker 1: know Derrick Henry is going to be pounding the football again,
Speaker 1: but it is a short week and he had a
Speaker 1: great h hated get in front of Derrick Henry, just
Speaker 1: like most of defensive players in the National Football League.
Speaker 1: But I just don't think the Titans can match score
Speaker 1: for score with the Kansas City Chiefs. And and I
Speaker 1: know this is not the Kansas City Chiefs offense where
Speaker 1: I think Mahomes has been making a lot of bad
Speaker 1: decisions because he feels like I have to make big
Speaker 1: plays because defensively, my guy, my our our guys are
Speaker 1: there are the unit can't get off the field. So
Speaker 1: it is on Mahomes to have to play hero ball
Speaker 1: week in and week out. But it's not just him.
Speaker 1: They got plenty of offensive weapons to play against here.
Speaker 1: And thinking about the the hype and the energy that
Speaker 1: was expended on Monday Night Football for the Titans, especially
Speaker 1: the way that they got to close out and win
Speaker 1: that football game, I'll take the Kansas City Chiefs at
Speaker 1: a pick them or plus the one and a half
Speaker 1: in the teaser as the first leg here. I think
Speaker 1: Kansas City continues offensively where Mahomes they can even recover
Speaker 1: from a bad plays, and defensively, you can't get any
Speaker 1: worse than where they're at right now. So I think
Speaker 1: they'll make enough plays defensively to hold the Tennessee Titans offense.
Speaker 1: I know the the there's the injury book too. I
Speaker 1: don't think Julio Jones is going to play this week
Speaker 1: for the Tennessee Titans. And then I looked at the
Speaker 1: injury report as well, A j Brown out with an illness.
Speaker 1: Anytime we see illness on these injury reports earlier in
Speaker 1: the week. Always pause for concern in this day and
Speaker 1: age of COVID. So I'll go with Casey dropping that
Speaker 1: down to basically win the football game. And then the
Speaker 1: other side, I'm gonna take the home dog here. I'll
Speaker 1: take it up to ten. And what's our number on
Speaker 1: the Seahawks is a four and a half or five?
Speaker 1: Seattle Seahawks are getting four and a half. I have
Speaker 1: four and a half, So to move them through the
Speaker 1: I'll move them through the seven, eight, nine, and ten
Speaker 1: to get ten and a half at home with the
Speaker 1: Seahawks at home playing on Monday Night football against the
Speaker 1: New Orleans Saints. Uh I. The Saints team is probably
Speaker 1: there's a number of teams that I've been struggling to
Speaker 1: figure out this year and put in New Orleans at
Speaker 1: one of the as one of those top teams. Such
Speaker 1: an up and down season each and every week, when
Speaker 1: you think they're gonna show up, like I thought they
Speaker 1: were gonna show up, and they're they're technically their home
Speaker 1: opener against the Giants because of everything that happened with
Speaker 1: the hurricane rolling through there. They had their home opener
Speaker 1: so late in the season playing the Giants and played
Speaker 1: well for three quarters, couldn't finish up twenty one to
Speaker 1: ten lose to the Giants. And that's the only when
Speaker 1: the Giants have so far the season is winning that
Speaker 1: fourth quarter in overtime. I just don't know which team
Speaker 1: we're gonna get week in and week out from the
Speaker 1: New Orleans Saints. This just smells like a close game
Speaker 1: of defensive game. I think we saw the Seattle Seahawks
Speaker 1: in the at halftime figure out, you know what, we
Speaker 1: probably don't want to put the ball in Geno smith
Speaker 1: hands constantly slinging the ball down the field like they
Speaker 1: did in that first half against Pittsburgh. Went back to
Speaker 1: the running game. And not that New Orleans has a
Speaker 1: bad defense here, but ten and a half points at
Speaker 1: home with Jamis Winston have to go and cover double
Speaker 1: digits on the road. I don't like their opportunity that.
Speaker 1: I think it's a close game. It could be a
Speaker 1: field goal game. I kind of like the Seahawks plus
Speaker 1: the number, but I'll put them and go through that
Speaker 1: ten sitting at ten and a half the second leg
Speaker 1: of that, let's go with the Seahawks plus then and
Speaker 1: a half. Russell Wilson eligible return week ten at the
Speaker 1: earliest for the Seahawks. All Right, Todd By h by
Speaker 1: request you go first on the teasers. Okay, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go with the New England Patriots. I just saw the
Speaker 1: first game that the Patriots played against the Jets with
Speaker 1: uh with going against that rookie quarterback from b y
Speaker 1: U and Bill Belichick made his life miserable. I believe
Speaker 1: he threw four picks that game. I'm not positive he did,
Speaker 1: but I believe it was four interceptions that game. I
Speaker 1: think the Pats are slowly getting better. They were competitive
Speaker 1: with the Alice last week, which was kind of a
Speaker 1: surprise to me at least uh And I think that
Speaker 1: the Jets are just they're just not ready to go
Speaker 1: on the road and beat the Patriots. So I don't
Speaker 1: want the Patriots minus the seven, but I will definitely
Speaker 1: take him as the first leg in my part in
Speaker 1: my UM two team teaser, Patriots minus one as the
Speaker 1: first team and the second team. I'm just gonna go
Speaker 1: with the old Green Bay Packers, the Green Bay Packers
Speaker 1: minus the two because it's the Washington football team. And
Speaker 1: are they catching up with Taylor Heineke? What's going on here?
Speaker 1: I feel like this Washington team is really starting to
Speaker 1: hit the skids, and I just don't see them going
Speaker 1: into Green Bay and you know, keeping it close against
Speaker 1: green Bay. So if I can have green Bay minus two, um,
Speaker 1: you know, I'll take green Bay minus two with the
Speaker 1: Pats and I'll just take another teaser win. To me,
Speaker 1: it is the obvious teaser play of the week New England.
Speaker 1: I already have him against the number. I'm teasing him
Speaker 1: down to basically just have to win and exactly the
Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers against my Washington football team, which honestly
Speaker 1: scored one touchdown last week against the Chiefs with yes,
Speaker 1: that's real bad. And by the way, they only touched
Speaker 1: that was because the Chiefs let to Washington receivers go
Speaker 1: clear past the defense. Taylor Honekey could have had his
Speaker 1: choice of who to throw it too. So that was
Speaker 1: just one big gaff and Kansas City tried everything in
Speaker 1: their power in the first half to give that game
Speaker 1: to Washington. Washington couldn't take it from I think, uh,
Speaker 1: asking Green Bay and Aaron Rodgers to beat that defense
Speaker 1: by less than a field goal is not much of ask.
Speaker 1: It is New England and Green Bay for me as well.
Speaker 1: Same time. There it is. We all had it. What
Speaker 1: happened we had when you said green Bay. When you
Speaker 1: said green Bay, we gasped. We thought your make you
Speaker 1: week to go do something similar he did with no
Speaker 1: hyper bolly and copy me with one in Green Bay
Speaker 1: minus two. All right, Survivor. So here's the deal. This,
Speaker 1: I think is the first week of Survivor. Here now
Speaker 1: in recent weeks where it's going to be much more
Speaker 1: splintered in terms of the distribution of picks. Here are
Speaker 1: the bigger favorites on the board. New England against seven
Speaker 1: point favorites at home against the Jets at Baltimore, six
Speaker 1: and a half point favorites at home against in Senata,
Speaker 1: Green Bay eight and a half point favorites at home
Speaker 1: against Washington UH and then the big ones Rams fifteen
Speaker 1: at home against Detroit, Tampa twelve and a half at
Speaker 1: home against Chicago, Arizona seventeen and a half at home
Speaker 1: against Houston. For me, I have already used Green Band,
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay, so I throw those out. Arizona has a
Speaker 1: Christmas consideration. I am saving them, I believe. For then
Speaker 1: either way I do not want to use them. Then
Speaker 1: for me it comes down to the Rams of the
Speaker 1: Ravens and the Bengals. I already have the Bengals against
Speaker 1: the spread. I don't entirely trust Baltimore in this situation.
Speaker 1: The Rams, I would like to say for later. So
Speaker 1: for me, it will be the New England Patriots. What
Speaker 1: did you use one on this ticket? Tampa Bay and
Speaker 1: then Green Bay week two? Okay, yeah, you're all over
Speaker 1: the Patriots. This week, I'm all over the Patriots. Todd,
Speaker 1: you're no longer in survivor. Who would you have played?
Speaker 1: This was the week I was going to use Tampa
Speaker 1: Bay because I would have was saving him for this week,
Speaker 1: so I was going to use Tampa Bay. This you, Mikey,
Speaker 1: you agree with I agree that the I think the
Speaker 1: Patriots we'll actually get the most pis. I think, so
Speaker 1: we can't use if if more than fifty people use Arizone,
Speaker 1: I'll just do. They're not paying attention to the rules.
Speaker 1: And if I get through this week, I think I'm
Speaker 1: gonna try to I'm gonna start to mute my survivor
Speaker 1: of thinking because now it's gonna get serious after this point.
Speaker 1: But that the reason that I'm talking also in New
Speaker 1: England is after having used Tampa Bay and Green Bay
Speaker 1: and my one remaining entry. For me, it's sort of
Speaker 1: a pot pourri of really mediocre teams after that, so
Speaker 1: that the entry is actually building itself pretty nicely. Caroline,
Speaker 1: the Carolinas in the Minnesota's of the world and the
Speaker 1: Indianapolis is of the world, that kind of thing. So, uh,
Speaker 1: I'll probably go New England here, James. You don't play Survivor,
Speaker 1: do you? I do play Survivor. I'm so salty of
Speaker 1: the damn New Orleans Saints because half of my half
Speaker 1: of my uh, half of my Survivor picks went with
Speaker 1: New Orleans and that loss at home to the Giants
Speaker 1: that week. So I didn't. I didn't. I haven't made
Speaker 1: my Survivor pick. Usually I don't pick, you know, we're
Speaker 1: talking about best best. Normally I don't make any plays
Speaker 1: in any decisions until we get through Friday night into Saturday.
Speaker 1: But I mean, that's the challenge with Survivor now is
Speaker 1: because of not only with the Thanksgiving but also with
Speaker 1: the Christmas games on deck, and I can't use you know,
Speaker 1: maybe I thought about maybe using the Packers here, but
Speaker 1: thinking I might want to save the packers for later
Speaker 1: with thinking about where the Browns are right now and
Speaker 1: all those injuries, that was clearly do I want to
Speaker 1: play the Browns or the paper Packers on that Christmas night?
Speaker 1: I probably want to stay away from that one. I
Speaker 1: gotta keep the Cardinals live for Christmas as well, so
Speaker 1: I can't play them this week. And I'm saying with you, Gill,
Speaker 1: I think with the Rams, there's plenty of other spots
Speaker 1: in the schedule for the Rams that I'd rather use.
Speaker 1: Is it the Patriots this week for me? Or maybe
Speaker 1: it's Tampa Bay and it's either Tampa Bay this week,
Speaker 1: or it's gonna be Tampa Bay on Week eleven when
Speaker 1: they host the Giants on Monday Night Football, or even
Speaker 1: going into there's there's so many other spots with Tampa.
Speaker 1: I think I can't give it depended a pick right now.
Speaker 1: Gil Sary, gentlemen, I just I'm not there right now
Speaker 1: with Survivor because I think it is there's so many
Speaker 1: factors in. I love all these little quick twerks that
Speaker 1: the you know, the tweaks that we have with having
Speaker 1: to keep teams alive. So I've got to do some
Speaker 1: more digging before I really actually I know there's there's
Speaker 1: some people who who think that, you know, it made
Speaker 1: the game, have too much luck involved in it. Okay,
Speaker 1: I understand that thinking. On the other hand, it's also
Speaker 1: kind of cool to have to suffer with that, you know.
Speaker 1: On the other hand, I like it, Yeah, I like it.
Speaker 1: There's it's a challenge there otherwise, I mean, we've if
Speaker 1: it's just otherwise, we're just going against the Houston Texans
Speaker 1: and the Jacksonville Jaguars. Are those types of team each
Speaker 1: and every week. You're gonna have to take some bad
Speaker 1: football teams out there too. But I don't think this
Speaker 1: is the week that I'm gonna take one of those
Speaker 1: mediocre to bad football teams just to get one of
Speaker 1: those twenty picks out of the way. I'm on a
Speaker 1: mediocre streak right now picking mediocre teams. So final two questions,
Speaker 1: the first of which is which are the big favorites
Speaker 1: is most likely to lose out right, same candidates. I
Speaker 1: just gave a survivor including the six and a half
Speaker 1: and the seven point favorite. I would obviously go Baltimore
Speaker 1: as the most likely to lose, But Mikey, you you're
Speaker 1: going Tampaka. I think Cincinnati is more likely to beat.
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying it. It wouldn't shock me if
Speaker 1: the Bears, like if if they can stay in it
Speaker 1: in the first half, Baltimore Gentlemen most likely to lose
Speaker 1: all those Yeah, I'll go with that. What if I
Speaker 1: reduced it? What if I took out Baltimore and New
Speaker 1: England and just made it and just made it the
Speaker 1: uh the double digit favorites, including Green Bay Lions could
Speaker 1: win against the Rams. I mean, the Rams have had
Speaker 1: many games where they barely show up, and they just
Speaker 1: showed up big time against the Giants, So they're probably
Speaker 1: gonna come in this week. And I almost took the
Speaker 1: lines plus the fifteen and a half because of that. Um.
Speaker 1: But I could see that, you know, the Rams laying
Speaker 1: an egg this week? What are they? We're there five
Speaker 1: and one. It lost to the Cardinals where the many
Speaker 1: games they didn't show up Jared Golf last year against Oh,
Speaker 1: you're talking about the path before they got Matthew Stafford. No,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you Rams what you want me to tell you,
Speaker 1: where where games were running they didn't show up, and
Speaker 1: that they're five and one and they lost to the
Speaker 1: only six and Arizona they didn't show up just right.
Speaker 1: They lost to six and okay, okay, well that wasn't
Speaker 1: very good at Indianapolis. At Indianapolis, I was not impressed
Speaker 1: with their performance that day at all. And uh, okay,
Speaker 1: granted the best of the I'm just saying that Stafford
Speaker 1: is still Stafford before he went from he went from
Speaker 1: five to one for m v P. Now he's like
Speaker 1: sixteen to one. It'll look until he proves otherwise. He's
Speaker 1: still not a winner winner yet. Okay, he might be
Speaker 1: very talented player and everything like that, but there's also
Speaker 1: you have to give him some of the blame for
Speaker 1: for having Detroit be so mediocre for year after year
Speaker 1: after year. I agree with that, Todd, and and he's
Speaker 1: excused from all of it with everybody's saying he's going
Speaker 1: to be the savior in l a right, And that's
Speaker 1: what I don't like. The nighting of him all of
Speaker 1: a sudden and all of a sudden, Oh, Stafford is fantastic.
Speaker 1: He's oh, he's a good player, and he's got a
Speaker 1: good supporting cast. But until he wins something, give me
Speaker 1: a break. The only time I remember him in the
Speaker 1: playoffs was against Dallas one year, and there was a
Speaker 1: controversial call. Right, but that was the only game he
Speaker 1: was ever in the playoffs? Right? Was he ever in
Speaker 1: the playoffs? Alright? Final question? Thirteen games, six byes this week,
Speaker 1: thirteen games on the slate. You get to uh, you
Speaker 1: have to play a side on every one of them,
Speaker 1: but you get one pass on an already jacked up
Speaker 1: week with massive spreads. What would be the one game, James,
Speaker 1: if you had to play twelve of the thirteen, would
Speaker 1: be the one game on the side you would take
Speaker 1: a pass on? Giants Panthers. I don't want any part
Speaker 1: of this. The Panthers going on the road as a favorite.
Speaker 1: What have we? This is Sam Donald going back to
Speaker 1: This is like Buckner going back to Shay. He's going
Speaker 1: back to the house of horrors of MetLife state name
Speaker 1: or Giants State or whatever you call it. He's gonna
Speaker 1: go back there. I don't want to hear while he's
Speaker 1: motivated to go back there, he's reverted back. He's seeing
Speaker 1: look what happened last week, the last few weeks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know it. Now he's does see and now he's
Speaker 1: gonna go back and it's I'm sure he's having nightmares
Speaker 1: having to go back to MetLife Stadium, and then think
Speaker 1: about the Giants. The Giants are just awful. This is
Speaker 1: just a bad football team. It's a from top down
Speaker 1: onto the field. I think the only thing that's live
Speaker 1: in MetLife Stadium at the Giants games is uh said,
Speaker 1: is squirming around in those catchup dispensers. And there's nothing
Speaker 1: on the field going on with the Giants right now
Speaker 1: that compels me to say, I like the home dog
Speaker 1: in the New York Giants here, even though it's typically
Speaker 1: they're the Carolina Panthers with coming back into this spot here.
Speaker 1: But the Giants at home, they've scored four touch ounds
Speaker 1: in three home games. They just gotta handed to them
Speaker 1: by the Rams. And I know Joe Judge giving him
Speaker 1: another tongue lashing. He does it seems like he does
Speaker 1: it every single week, whether it's publicly or or inside
Speaker 1: the locker room. He guess he did the same thing
Speaker 1: this week. They're not here in his message. This is
Speaker 1: not a team that's even competitive. They scored four touchdowns
Speaker 1: in their three games and those three losses, and two
Speaker 1: of them were in garbage time, one of which was
Speaker 1: last week as well. This is just a team that
Speaker 1: can't score I don't like either game. Maybe if I
Speaker 1: was gonna play it, I played the under but I
Speaker 1: don't want anything to do with that. But I hate
Speaker 1: to pa, I hate to pair with James on this,
Speaker 1: but that is exactly the game there's because there's so
Speaker 1: many different possibilities, right, Carolina could actually show up and
Speaker 1: blow them out, and the Giants again against the Rams.
Speaker 1: I know the Rams ended up blowing him out, but
Speaker 1: we're never really honest about NFL outcomes, like if if
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones doesn't throw the ball around the yard or
Speaker 1: is loose with the football, you just never know. Like
Speaker 1: that game got out of hand so quickly, so I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be shocked if the Giants came out and won
Speaker 1: that game. So that's that's my play as well. Carolina
Speaker 1: the Giants. But by the way, can we just say
Speaker 1: something Mikey got so lucky in that game? Sam Donald
Speaker 1: found a way. Sam Donald found a way to lose
Speaker 1: a game where his team blocked the punt in the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter, had the entire crowd into the game, and
Speaker 1: they were ahead and lost the Kirk Cousins. How is
Speaker 1: that possible? Because Mikey had the vikings and God likes
Speaker 1: Christians and not Juice. The Viking's totally dominated the game.
Speaker 1: He totally Mike Zimmer got to the thirty two and
Speaker 1: stopped coaching. I mean he went he watched the throw
Speaker 1: cookers at North South Runner. He throws a toss sweep
Speaker 1: blues of three yards and rushes the punt team out
Speaker 1: of the field. Zimmers at Joe. Zimmer's a joke, Todd.
Speaker 1: The game I don't want to have any part of
Speaker 1: is the game that Gil had guess the wrong favorite
Speaker 1: on with Christie on Monday. Dolphins Falcons, I want zero.
Speaker 1: I have no idea what's going. I don't know if
Speaker 1: two was even on the team anymore. He's not listed
Speaker 1: on the depth charge one day, then he's lifted it,
Speaker 1: and I don't know. Let me ask you one question.
Speaker 1: I was watching his Jets Falcons game a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks ago, the second half in Linne. Yeah, the quarterback,
Speaker 1: Wilson in the running back looked like they were like
Speaker 1: a foot and a half shorter than every other player
Speaker 1: on the failing They're very small. But that was when
Speaker 1: I went this will take you back when I went
Speaker 1: to a training camp for Washington years and years ago
Speaker 1: after they drafted Heath Shuler from Tennessee from Tennessee and
Speaker 1: Washington was a couple of years removed from a Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: but they had had a bad year. That's why they
Speaker 1: got the third he just it was North Turners first
Speaker 1: year or second or whatever it was, but they had
Speaker 1: the third pick of the drift. They dried he Schuler.
Speaker 1: You took one look at he's Schuler behind center and
Speaker 1: I turned to my buddy, I swear, I go, he's
Speaker 1: the quarterback. And you could tell when they were interviewed
Speaker 1: with Gus Varatt, who was the seventh round pick that year.
Speaker 1: Gus they interviewed Gusts like, oh, so you're you know,
Speaker 1: you're you're vying for the for the starting quarterback. Goes no,
Speaker 1: but you know we can tell he was smiling. He's
Speaker 1: like you no, it's Heath's team. He was he already
Speaker 1: knew anyway. To your point, Zach Wilson looks like that too.
Speaker 1: To some Todd what do you want no part of?
Speaker 1: I mean I agree with with James on Caroline and
Speaker 1: New York York Giants, but also the Colts Niners game.
Speaker 1: You know who's the quarterback it and then you get
Speaker 1: Carson wins on the other side, I don't want any
Speaker 1: of that. Colt Snyders is why you can't grid this
Speaker 1: stuff out and survivor from the beginning of the year,
Speaker 1: because after week two, if you gritted it out, gritted
Speaker 1: by the way, that would have been one of your picks.
Speaker 1: You'd been like San Francisco over Indy for sure. Anyway,
Speaker 1: we gotta run because Mike he's got a show to do.
Speaker 1: It's called odds On with a mall Shaw Visa, so
Speaker 1: he's going to do that. James, I'm gonna right now
Speaker 1: quickly turn tune to Visa dot com not to miss
Speaker 1: that because it's a fantastic show. No hyper Bowl, agreed, James, James,
Speaker 1: thank you for doing this. I know you're busy. I
Speaker 1: appreciate you doing this. Super Contest Champion for Life, James Selinus,
Speaker 1: thank you, James. Thanks going to be on with you gentlemen,
Speaker 1: Absolutely good. Good luck with your bests this weekend, everybody.
Speaker 1: And the name of the show that you do with
Speaker 1: Brady on the weekend of Visa is called the Pro
Speaker 1: Football Blitz. Pro Football Blitz alright, with former Super Contest
Speaker 1: winner Brady Can't Brady Cannon officially changed the name. With
Speaker 1: the name change, with the legal name change, I think
Speaker 1: I'll bring that up. I'll bring that up on Saturday.
Speaker 1: Is it mad or is it Brady? Cannon? Comma and oh,
Speaker 1: by the way, I want a super contest. No, they
Speaker 1: listed in front of it now in all copies. Okay,
Speaker 1: we love Brady. Brady's always our leadoff man here. Thank
Speaker 1: you James for Mike Palm for Todd a wishnev from
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Speaker 1: with all your picks this weekend. I'm the man of
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