1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,120 Speaker 1: Welcome to j dot Ill, a production of I Heart Radio. 2 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:08,240 Speaker 1: Hey everyone, content morning. Before we start the show, this 3 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: episode contains discussion about sexual violence. So if there are 4 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: children around or you're sensitive to this subject matter, please 5 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 1: take caution or skip this episode. Old old, old, Who's up, everybody? 6 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:43,560 Speaker 1: This is the podcast. Okay, we're really showing our age 7 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:48,520 Speaker 1: again again again, this is what we do. I'm here 8 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 1: as this is Jill Scotten. I'm here with Age, a 9 00:00:53,479 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 1: grading dancelerler Liah Sinclair. Hello, Hi everybody. I'm hoping that 10 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 1: you're well. We all are. We want you to be 11 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 1: good and happy and feeling grand. Today we are going 12 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 1: to be talking about people's positive online personas versus their 13 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 1: character in real life. What should we do when people 14 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 1: do good on public platforms but personally might do questionable things. 15 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: This is a tough one. This is a tough one. Yeah, 16 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 1: But first let's say that this is a conversation that 17 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 1: could stretch beyond social media, even with people who were 18 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:45,320 Speaker 1: you know, famous or let's say, public before social media. So, 19 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: like you said, doing positive things out in the public world, 20 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 1: but a whole hot mess in real life, as they 21 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: call it, in real life, as if none of as 22 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: if the other thing isn't real, Like we know that 23 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 1: we're going to talk about some particular folk, but we're not, 24 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 1: you know, hear the name names or or point fingers 25 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: where it's the situations rather than the people, because this 26 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: is not a gossip podcast, but it is something to 27 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 1: make you think and hopefully make you think and question 28 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:23,920 Speaker 1: your own ideas about your perspective. So what do you 29 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:29,079 Speaker 1: do when somebody that you you really really love, Let's 30 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaker 1: say you love what they do, but they have a 31 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 1: sex cult and they have somebody you know, trapped up 32 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: under their bed and they let them out. We didn't 33 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 1: you know this one though. Actually I'm I'm thinking, I'm 34 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: saying there, thinking like I'm thinking that, I'm thinking to 35 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:52,959 Speaker 1: several people. Oh yeah, I'm like or or okay, let's 36 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 1: not say a colt. Let's just say proclivities that okay, yeah, 37 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: proclivities that we probably shouldn't be privy to anyway. Right, 38 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 1: So here's the question, you guys. And it's funny because 39 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 1: I feel like one everybody is up for debate, everybody's 40 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:13,360 Speaker 1: actions are up for debate, and we seem to know 41 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 1: more than we used to know about people. So it's like, 42 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:19,360 Speaker 1: it's not a choice. You have to separate certain things. 43 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 1: So it's just about the level. So sexual proclivities, unless 44 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 1: they have to deal with miners or forced sex, then 45 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: it's none you. It's none of you. Now if it 46 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 1: does have to deal with miners and forced sex, then 47 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 1: it's levels. It's like, do you take the people Apple music? 48 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 1: Do you not watch their movies? Do some things? Go ahead? 49 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 1: And well, I do think this right. So we have 50 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 1: a situation where you said separate. That's the word that 51 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: pops out from me is the host? How do I 52 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: separate the art from the person? But in my mind, 53 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: I'm thinking that the operation is the issue in the 54 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: first place, and that when we don't have a way 55 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 1: of thinking that sees people as whole beings, and so 56 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: we feel like we have to only take them in 57 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 1: these compartmentalized ways, and if they don't hold up to 58 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:20,919 Speaker 1: the compartment we can't deal with that. We should be 59 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: able to talk about every aspect, you know, and say, yeah, 60 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:27,840 Speaker 1: this person did this, it should actually shed some light 61 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 1: on the whole person. I feel like if we could 62 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: look at people as whole people, then we would be 63 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 1: able to look at ourselves as the whole people and 64 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 1: except some of the kind of shitty things that we do. Right, 65 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: But then it level to YouTube though age because I'm like, 66 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:44,160 Speaker 1: all right, well, so yes, people are whole people, they 67 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 1: do things, people are sexual, but again we're talking about 68 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 1: doing something maybe with miners, and well yeah, I mean 69 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 1: for me, if a person is a rapist or or 70 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:58,159 Speaker 1: a molester, or they've touched children, those are definitely hard 71 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 1: lines for me. And when it comes to you, can 72 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 1: you avoid every single thing that a person has done? No, No, 73 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:09,040 Speaker 1: you can't. And particularly if let's say that person is 74 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: a former president, a person who signed a document, or 75 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 1: a person who worked on this or that. You your 76 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: life is affected by people's work or multiple levels, so 77 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: you're not gonna be able to just step away from everything. 78 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 1: But I think it's important to recognize when somebody has 79 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:31,359 Speaker 1: done something and they are something, and that you should 80 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 1: be able to call that by name. You shouldn't have 81 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 1: to you shouldn't have to worry about does that delete 82 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:38,599 Speaker 1: what they did? No, it doesn't delete what they did. 83 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:41,919 Speaker 1: It's about speaking truth. Then truth should be spoken period, 84 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:43,359 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And then it's up to 85 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 1: you to make a decision whether you want to, you know, 86 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 1: support that person or or not support them or not. 87 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 1: I don't know how other any other way to say that. 88 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: Sometimes it's harder than it's It's so funny because it's 89 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 1: one particular we're not naming names, but it's one particular 90 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:02,600 Speaker 1: person that's been a part of our lives, and it's 91 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 1: not even who you're thinking for at least twenty years 92 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 1: of just um, I feel like I'm on Jeopardy musically maybe, 93 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:13,840 Speaker 1: and you may catch yourself singing to yourself, but then 94 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 1: you go, what am I doing? Self? I should not 95 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 1: be doing that. But help me, ladies, you know what 96 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 1: I'm saying, all a more way, more politically correct, I don't. 97 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 1: It's a really really hard line to cross. I'm just saying, 98 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 1: we're here in the country that has tours of plantations. 99 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 1: We're here in the country that has slave owners on 100 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:43,279 Speaker 1: the money. You know, I'm on like you don't talk 101 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:48,480 Speaker 1: hold now that we know that this this guy was 102 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: a slave owner, and he also fathered lots of children 103 00:06:53,960 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: via rape or or force in some way, shape or form, 104 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Those things that they don't 105 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 1: get taken off the money, they're still their schools, are 106 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 1: still you know, attended, you know, like yeah, but we're 107 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 1: living in a season where we where those discussions are 108 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 1: starting to yeah, and that changed for him. Actually we 109 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: can say his name, motherfuckering Thomas Jefferson. He ain't gonna 110 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 1: what we're gonna he gonna do, he gonna but that 111 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: that's gonna change. So because even I went to a 112 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 1: school in Maryland named after Roger B. Toddy who was 113 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: the lawyer and a Jim Crow. It was like a 114 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: gym crow I can't remember what it was, a racial 115 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: case or whatever. He was on the wrong side of it. 116 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: And eventually they did change his name, the name of 117 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 1: the school and where in the time of changing taking 118 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: down statue, change the name. So it's interesting. It's gonna 119 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 1: be interesting when we get to the Thomas Jefferson subject 120 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: of things because of what he built perception wise to 121 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 1: American history. I mean, those things can change, and I 122 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 1: really do hope they do. I do because the hypocrisy 123 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 1: is it's pinful, it's painful. It's this country, yes, that's 124 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: my point. But because we're in this this new it's 125 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 1: new to us anyway, it's new to us. We didn't 126 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: grow up with knowing everybody's business, about every little thing. 127 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: We didn't know. We liked, who we like, we didn't know. Um, 128 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: let's say, you know someone that's passed, we didn't know 129 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 1: Rick James proclivity is right, right, right, right right. We 130 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 1: don't know until we had idea. You know, we never 131 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 1: knew if if Prince was straight or gay or what. 132 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 1: But we love the music, love the music. And what 133 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 1: he chose to share was that he was a Jehovah's witness. 134 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 1: And then people had issues and problems with that that 135 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 1: man's you know, faith in his business. But you could 136 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 1: definitely separate that. I guess he could, I think. But 137 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 1: I think really what makes the knife going deep is 138 00:08:55,080 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 1: when public figures present themselves as a certain thing, and 139 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 1: sometimes even make their money based on a certain thing, 140 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: and then how they deal in their private lives is 141 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 1: the extreme opposite or just contradictory to who they, you know, 142 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:17,439 Speaker 1: present themselves as. And I think that is a much 143 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: hard appeal to swallow for people, you know what I mean. 144 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 1: I think really, in in one particular, really popular case, 145 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 1: I think people were angry, But that particular case implicated 146 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 1: us because that person told us on many many occasions 147 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 1: through their work, what they were into, and we were 148 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 1: just caught up in the beat, happy to be happy 149 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 1: to be jamming. And so I think in that situation, 150 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 1: though the truth was important, and though it was an 151 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: important conversation to have, it implicated us as being complicit. 152 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:57,440 Speaker 1: Now in situations when we're not complicit, when we're fully 153 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 1: invested and who this person is out in the public 154 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 1: and that person is completely the opposite. I think that 155 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 1: that really causes a rift socially amongst how people just 156 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 1: inhale public figures in general. And I think that is 157 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 1: what's gotten us to where we are today, where people 158 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 1: are like, I'm tired, I'm not having it. I'm not 159 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 1: about to sit here and put you on a pedestal 160 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:24,199 Speaker 1: just simply because you're famous or you make good art. 161 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: The bottom line is, don't be out here selling these 162 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 1: wolf tickets and expect us not to come back for 163 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 1: a refund. Funk that. So I kind of can see 164 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: it from the aspect where it's just like, yeah, I 165 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 1: don't have time for that, you know, just be who 166 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 1: you are. The problem is, in my opinion, it's the 167 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:46,079 Speaker 1: pedestals in the first place. Amen, you're dealing with human beings. People, 168 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 1: people who have a history, people who have a history 169 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 1: beyond their existence, something in the bloodline, you know what 170 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 1: I mean. You're dealing with human beings. So people who 171 00:10:57,160 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 1: also enjoy the pedestal when it's up to them whether 172 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 1: they're on it or not. Yes, and some people definitely 173 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:07,679 Speaker 1: like architect their careers and lives around getting on it. 174 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: So the thing is that, yes, the problem is the pedestal. 175 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: And you know me, I'm always down for let's get 176 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 1: to the root. And I definitely think that the pedestal 177 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 1: is an issue that is an absolute issue. Is that 178 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 1: the whole glorifying and canonizing freaking celebrities and politicians. I 179 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 1: for one, was actually really disturbed and I've actually never 180 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 1: spoken about this publicly, was deeply disturbed at some of 181 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:35,560 Speaker 1: the imagery around the time that Obama was running for president. 182 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 1: The first time. I was like, y'all putting this man 183 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 1: up on the wall like he holds Jesus, you know 184 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 1: what I mean? And not that I worship Jesus, but 185 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 1: some people do. And the point is, at the end 186 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 1: of the day, is that y'all, he should not be 187 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:51,680 Speaker 1: on your grandmama wall next to Jesus, to the Silkius 188 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 1: to the silky hair Jesus. If he's on the wall 189 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 1: next the silky hair Jesus, that's a problem that's been 190 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 1: tradition since the fifth is in the sixties, where you 191 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:03,680 Speaker 1: had the Jesus next to it was the penny or 192 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 1: you know, just saying but I'm not saying you don't 193 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 1: have a point. I'm just saying this goes back to 194 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:10,559 Speaker 1: some of our previous conversations to about just tradition and 195 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 1: how we just reiterates it reiterates Jill's point about the 196 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 1: pedestal issue in and us itself. It sets you up 197 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 1: for failure, whether you put yourself on the pedestal or not. 198 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 1: There's it's easy. Somebody else can can do it for you. 199 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 1: Here's my example. I may have said this before, but 200 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 1: this is the example I always use. You have a 201 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 1: pastor who has really good intentions and they want to 202 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 1: build their church and build their folks spiritually, economically, and otherwise. 203 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 1: And one day, as they're walking to the pull pit, 204 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 1: somebody says, Pastor, I'll carry your body. That is the 205 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:57,960 Speaker 1: beginning of the end. If you can't carry your own Bible, 206 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 1: if you can't drive your own car, if you can't 207 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 1: clean your own house. If you can't, there's a problem. 208 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 1: That is my opinion, that is the beginning of the downfall, 209 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 1: because all of a sudden, somebody got to take past 210 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: this closed to the dry cleaning. All of a sudden, 211 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 1: somebody got to cook past food for him. You know, 212 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 1: I got I got you. I just gotta make sure 213 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 1: to go do these things for pastor. And I think 214 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 1: that that's a problem when when I think about church, 215 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 1: I think that the pastor, reverend, whatever you have, priests, 216 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 1: whatever you want, they're supposed to quote unquote serve the people. 217 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: It's a it's a job of service, and it's a 218 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 1: job of creating an understanding with your particular deity and 219 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 1: the book that's written. Okay, just to put it real, 220 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 1: real simple. This is when it gets tricky for me 221 00:13:56,200 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 1: when those people, when the pastors have an other life underneath. Girl, 222 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:11,079 Speaker 1: that's when I'm I'm like, oh, okay, this teaching people 223 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:15,440 Speaker 1: how to exist. That that one is scurry to me, 224 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 1: that one birth of all child. We skip it down 225 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 1: the street hand in hand on that. But I want 226 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 1: to I want to throw this out to you. Now, 227 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 1: this is not a job of service, but It's definitely 228 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 1: one that can get very problematic for the people when 229 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 1: these people are giving platform to speak on certain things 230 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 1: that affect the people. So I'm gonna go back and say, 231 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 1: you said the problems when people can't carry their own bible, 232 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 1: let's talk about celebrities. Let's talk about artists can't carry 233 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: their own luggage, getting all kinds of different perks from 234 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 1: being celebrities, getting treated certainly, having yesmen, people who will 235 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 1: tell them anything, the whole thing, and then they're kind 236 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 1: of existing in a bubble. And then in this past year, 237 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 1: what we've seen is and this has always been, but 238 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 1: in this past year, what we've seen is a kind 239 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 1: of head to head that's come with celebrities being able 240 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 1: to speak out about different social issues, and it's like, 241 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 1: how can you speak out for the people? How can 242 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 1: you service the people when this is not your experience, 243 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: When you really only have the microphone because you're famous, 244 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: and you get an opportunity to speak just because you're famous, 245 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 1: because that becomes the value of you in that moment, 246 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 1: not your brain, not your thoughts, not your politics, but 247 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 1: because you have the platform. And I think a lot 248 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 1: of times that that becomes an issue as well in 249 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 1: terms of how people get set up to put people 250 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: in a certain place, and they actually can do harm, 251 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 1: great harm, just as much harm from a spiritual level 252 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 1: then they can from a celebrity level. Because even now 253 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 1: what we're talking about now, and this past week, a 254 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 1: celebrity came out and spoke about a very hot button 255 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 1: issue in which they were very under educated about it, 256 00:15:56,800 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 1: deeply under educated about it, and do it a lot 257 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: of harm to a particular community. And the idea and 258 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 1: so it's continually coming up, this idea of how fame 259 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 1: and pedestal building even effects our activists work for people 260 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 1: who really need to be represented. They are represented or 261 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 1: even spoken against by celebrities who have the benefit of platform. 262 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 1: So because they can be heard, they can do some 263 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 1: quote unquote good, but they go to do a lot 264 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 1: of harm, a lot a lot of harm because their 265 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 1: personal political beliefs can be extremely harmful, but people give 266 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 1: them validity because of their platform. That's not exactly what 267 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 1: we're talking about here, but it's still it's still a problem, 268 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 1: and I think it's just as big a problem as 269 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 1: as as pastors, and it's not for social media, it 270 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 1: probably wouldn't be as much of a problem because I'm 271 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 1: thinking Asia while you were talking, Because you know, of course, 272 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 1: there have been many successful unions formed between celebrities and 273 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 1: activists throughout our history. However, I feel like maybe in 274 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 1: the past there was a slower movement when it came 275 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:09,719 Speaker 1: to your thoughts and actually saying things and actually meeting 276 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 1: with activists first before you make your official statement about 277 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 1: what you're saying. And I think that now, maybe because 278 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 1: of social media, you don't get that pause. And matter 279 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 1: of fact, celebrities don't even know that that that was 280 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 1: a thing, Like I don't even know those celebrities think 281 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: that way, Like do you think that Harry Bellefontage just 282 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:27,679 Speaker 1: was like I'm thinking something. I'm sure I'm saying, you know, 283 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 1: I kind of doubt it. So the immediacy is a problem. Yeah, 284 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:46,679 Speaker 1: we'll be back after the break. Oh yes, I remember 285 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 1: a few years ago, Fantasia got into something one time 286 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 1: where she agreed to do an event and it was 287 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:55,160 Speaker 1: like a chair. It was something that on the surface 288 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:57,959 Speaker 1: looked like it was a good thing, right, but she 289 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 1: hadn't done the research on it, and she went to 290 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:03,400 Speaker 1: go do it and apparently was like not a good thing. 291 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 1: I don't even remember the whole story point is a 292 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 1: lot of times artists are given a schedule, they might say, okay, yeah, 293 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:11,719 Speaker 1: i'll do that, I'll do that, but they're not doing 294 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 1: a whole bunch of background check on it. And particularly 295 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:18,400 Speaker 1: because they want celebrities to be present so that they 296 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:20,919 Speaker 1: can bring attention and awareness to whatever it is that 297 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:23,640 Speaker 1: they're people are doing, and then it's like and then 298 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 1: the celebrity themselves becomes you know, privy to or what 299 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: you said you was about this, or you said you 300 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:33,159 Speaker 1: was about that, or you backed that up, so that 301 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:35,680 Speaker 1: means x, y and z, and so they're not able 302 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:38,479 Speaker 1: to live as an actual human being forming their own 303 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:42,720 Speaker 1: opinions and feelings in that moment. They're just like out there. 304 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 1: And I think that that's just because their platforms are 305 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:48,360 Speaker 1: just there's too much importance being put on the platform 306 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 1: of fame and influence is a big old problem and 307 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:58,640 Speaker 1: trying to hold onto your humanity. It's a job. It's 308 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:01,399 Speaker 1: a job that you you have to you have to 309 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 1: do it. You have to do it, or it's it's 310 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 1: easy to get lost. It's easy to believe everything that 311 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 1: people will say about you. It's easy, especially if it's 312 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 1: nice ship You're like, oh, yes, I I am always 313 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:18,399 Speaker 1: the sweetest. No, no, that's not it. I know. For 314 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: me anyway, I've fallen victim to a whole bunch of 315 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 1: bullshit and and I won't say a whole bunch, but 316 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 1: enough of it. And I've been trying, you know, from 317 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:30,439 Speaker 1: the from the first album, like who is Jill Scott? 318 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 1: Like it's a journey not a destination. Wow, number two 319 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 1: beautifully human, Like hey, listen, I've been I'm fallible. Now, okay, 320 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 1: I've been trying to tell you that I'm a whole person. 321 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 1: And for me anyway, I gotta get away from all 322 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:55,479 Speaker 1: of it. I have to get away from all of 323 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:58,440 Speaker 1: it because I and I take everything that people say, 324 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 1: whether it's kind know, I won't say whether it's kind of, 325 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 1: if it's kind of, take it with a grain of salt. 326 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 1: You have to. These are the things. These are the 327 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:09,920 Speaker 1: conversations that I have with new artists all the time, 328 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 1: Like listen, I know it feels I know it feels great. 329 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 1: It was very exciting to have my whole neighborhood playing 330 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:21,440 Speaker 1: my music up and down the streets, but at three 331 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning, it wasn't so great, you know, 332 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:27,640 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Or come outside and everybody 333 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 1: sitting on my steps and I'm like, I just saw 334 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 1: y'all yesterday. What's happening? What's what's what is happening? You know? Like, 335 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:44,359 Speaker 1: and I swear I appreciate every ounce of kindness and 336 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 1: appreciation that people throw my way. But I am not 337 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 1: going to I'm not gonna do this with you. I 338 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 1: I'm just a person. And I think, really, I really 339 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: believe that if more artists remember that and not get 340 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:59,719 Speaker 1: caught up in the excitement of it all or the 341 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 1: go of it all, because I mean, for me, is 342 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:09,399 Speaker 1: a big deal. For me, I've gone from here to 343 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 1: there quickly overnight. One minute, I'm minded my business, I'm 344 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 1: the sweetest thing since the sweet Potato pie, and the 345 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,639 Speaker 1: next thing, I'm a fat next thing. And I'm like, 346 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 1: but I I told you, I told you, I told you. 347 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,359 Speaker 1: I think this goes back to what we were talking 348 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:34,680 Speaker 1: about getting is that we got to stop compartmentalizing people 349 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 1: in general. That's number one. Number two, rid ourselves of 350 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:44,399 Speaker 1: these pedestals, you know what I mean. And then also too, 351 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:46,879 Speaker 1: I will have to say this that with social media 352 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 1: becoming a thing that now there's so much business and 353 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 1: the appearance of things, and so it is such a 354 00:21:56,160 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 1: real it's a real business model, yea. And not that 355 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 1: it wasn't always, but I do think that it's taken 356 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 1: on a real interesting kind of life right now with 357 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 1: social media, where it's like, okay, this is a business 358 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: model to create a life A look a persona a 359 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:18,679 Speaker 1: spending people want to get surgically, look surgically make me 360 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:24,159 Speaker 1: look like this filter and a spending habit because we 361 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:27,119 Speaker 1: can never forget what country we live in or what 362 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 1: kind of world we live in. It's you know, it's 363 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 1: really about the ducats, right, and so there's a thing 364 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,879 Speaker 1: where yeah, I make this much money or this is 365 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:43,439 Speaker 1: what I'm doing. And so that whole imagery thing, mixed 366 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:48,640 Speaker 1: with what a friend of my life to say, capitalism 367 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 1: disguised as entrepreneurship, right, that has created this very interesting 368 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 1: little monster that really has people deeply engaged, so engaged 369 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:08,879 Speaker 1: that they are not even interested in the real person 370 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 1: until they get that big brickthrown at them like boom, 371 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 1: this person or this situation is not what you thought 372 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:20,640 Speaker 1: it was. It is not what you think it is. 373 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:26,359 Speaker 1: And guess what, you were part of validating it. And 374 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,680 Speaker 1: not only are you part of validating it, you want 375 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 1: it for yourself. You at home feeling shitty and bad 376 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 1: because you're like, well, I didn't I adn't go on 377 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 1: that vacation, or I don't look that good in a bikini, 378 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 1: or I don't make for my children every day, and 379 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 1: you know, my husband and our pictures and photos don't 380 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 1: look that wonderful, and so it does a double whammy 381 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 1: on the psyche of the people. In my opinion, anyway, 382 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,679 Speaker 1: I agree with you. It's a very very slippery slope. 383 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 1: It's a very slippery slope. I'm just gonna say it again, 384 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:05,640 Speaker 1: like you really have to try if this is your dream, 385 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:11,359 Speaker 1: and exactly what is your dream? Is your dream to 386 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 1: to to be an artist to create art for other 387 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,919 Speaker 1: people to enjoy, or is your dream to be famous? 388 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 1: If your dream is to be famous, that's a whole 389 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,679 Speaker 1: other party. Well, yea and twisted. The hustle to be 390 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:29,199 Speaker 1: famous has gotten very real for for regular folks like 391 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,400 Speaker 1: you know, teenagers and whatnot. They're making their money off 392 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 1: they TikTok for real and you but that's not telling 393 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 1: to go get no job because like you see me. 394 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 1: It's also something that's that's real though, Like people are 395 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:45,679 Speaker 1: making money that way, and people want to grow up 396 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,879 Speaker 1: and be YouTube stars like what Yeah, I think making 397 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,919 Speaker 1: content is a talent, yeah, you know, and trying to 398 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 1: figure out how to be witty or how to do X, 399 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 1: Y and Z or keep up with it. All this 400 00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 1: stuff requires work, but it's a out of work. I 401 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 1: didn't do my eye browse today, ye know what I'm saying, 402 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 1: Like I I didn't. I didn't. I didn't do all 403 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 1: the stuff that this quote unquote you know a celebrity 404 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,160 Speaker 1: is supposed to do. And that's one of the reasons 405 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:18,200 Speaker 1: why if you have any questions why this podcast isn't visual, 406 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,160 Speaker 1: it's because of that. I want to talk to my 407 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 1: friends and have conversation at Sparks, conversation without you, you know, judging, Um, 408 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 1: if I got on a bra not which because I 409 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:37,400 Speaker 1: currently well do not out my shirt, so I don't 410 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 1: but can't nobody see. But I don't care. Okay, I'm 411 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,400 Speaker 1: gonna just pop this whole thing open this so y'all 412 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 1: can just see the birl have what it matches your 413 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 1: that's just your head, y'all. You look very cute. Okay, 414 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:56,400 Speaker 1: so well, let me ask this question, ladyship. When someone 415 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 1: does something that you don't like, do you quote unquote 416 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:08,719 Speaker 1: cancel them? Oh? Yeah, that's the word. But they've been 417 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:13,640 Speaker 1: canceled from being creative. See. The c word is weird 418 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 1: for me because I think that canceling originally was about 419 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:26,400 Speaker 1: and still in very for many people, it's about accountability. 420 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:31,440 Speaker 1: But I don't like the way that the word cancel 421 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 1: has been utilized by people who don't want to be 422 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 1: accountable as some sort of problematic trend. And so there 423 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 1: are problems with the quote unquote idea of canceling. But 424 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 1: at the core of canceling, it is about we're just 425 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,879 Speaker 1: not going to allow you to run a muck and 426 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 1: be harmful just because you make or do something that 427 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:03,400 Speaker 1: we like or that people like. And I think that's 428 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,239 Speaker 1: an essential kind of thing to have in society. I 429 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,919 Speaker 1: think that's real. Now how we handle it, Yeah, I 430 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:14,919 Speaker 1: feel like that's gotten misconstrued out of hand, and a 431 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 1: whole lot of other things, you know. And let me 432 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 1: just turn this part on myself. My whole career has 433 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,200 Speaker 1: been built off of being viewed as being a wife, 434 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:29,639 Speaker 1: a mother attached to my family, and so that means 435 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:31,879 Speaker 1: a lot of different things to a lot of different people, 436 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,640 Speaker 1: and they may have some really kind of toxic ideas 437 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:42,920 Speaker 1: about what that is family, marriage, motherhood, wifehood, whatever. And 438 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 1: they might see me in person or see my life 439 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:50,400 Speaker 1: off of social media and feel like, oh, I don't 440 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 1: like that, or that's that's not being a wife for 441 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 1: that's not being a good mother. And I would feel 442 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,159 Speaker 1: really upset about that, you know. I would be like, 443 00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,359 Speaker 1: you know, it's none of your business, but I have 444 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,359 Speaker 1: to live in a y'all that that has been part 445 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,120 Speaker 1: of my imaging for a long long time because it's 446 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,399 Speaker 1: just who my life. That's what my life was, you know, 447 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 1: or is you know what I mean? So I do 448 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 1: recognize that. But if I had done something that was 449 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 1: extremely harmful to someone, and that would be my job 450 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 1: to be forthright and open to correction, and I'm willing 451 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,919 Speaker 1: to do that, you know, if I harmed you know 452 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 1: what I mean? And I don't that's the gag. And 453 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 1: if I draw my line in the sand and I say, oh, 454 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 1: y'all just being sisifically, everybody getting canceled. Can't nobody even 455 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 1: be a human being? I know? You hate that I 456 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 1: fucking hate that. Like, come on, y'all, like, I'm sorry 457 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 1: to cuss so much, but like, yo, it's like I 458 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 1: don't like it. Let's just take a tick back. You're 459 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 1: always gonna have extremes. You're gonna have people who are 460 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 1: mad at you for any and everything. That's not who 461 00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 1: we're talking about. We're talking about harm. We're talking about 462 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 1: educating yourself. We're talking about actually trying in your public 463 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 1: life the same way you should in your personal life 464 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 1: when you've done harm, to circle back and learn and 465 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 1: do better, like not drawing, not draw your line in 466 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 1: and said and say boom whatever. You know, y'all got that, 467 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 1: you know, I just don't like that. You're gonna have 468 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,479 Speaker 1: to come to terms with some subject matters and some 469 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 1: things that make you uncomfortable life though, And that is 470 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 1: like you learn as you go. How I viewed a 471 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 1: lot of things ten years ago is not how I 472 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 1: view them now, because I've learned along the way. You 473 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 1: you ask questions of people that are living a different 474 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,239 Speaker 1: kind of life than you, than you know, and you 475 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 1: find out that oh, ship, there are people, they just 476 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 1: people too. Yeah yeah yeah, But then you're being but 477 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 1: you're being judge, and some of the people making these 478 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 1: decisions are by younger people who haven't had those experiences 479 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 1: to know that it's a thing called growth and evolution. 480 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 1: It's a very interesting situation we're in that has to 481 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 1: be acknowledged, the growth and evolution of a person. Yeah, 482 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 1: I'm just trying to figure out so much so much music. 483 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 1: So it's just y'all never answered the question, which was 484 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 1: it was such a contribution to the culture for so 485 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,959 Speaker 1: many years in the terms of since this is an 486 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:25,960 Speaker 1: extreme of things, should it just all be removed or 487 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 1: should knowing that in retrospect, we're talking about the person 488 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 1: that we all enabled, we enabled and listening to this music, 489 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 1: you know what these songs? Who these people are that 490 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 1: he's really saying, as he well, what about burning books 491 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 1: like because an author is not doing or not being 492 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:51,360 Speaker 1: what you expect them to be, or because the topic 493 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:57,720 Speaker 1: of the subject is racy or avant garde or adventurous 494 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 1: in a way like particularly like in the fifties, you know, 495 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,480 Speaker 1: a lot of books were burned because people felt like 496 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 1: the nature of the story was toxic to the environment. 497 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 1: Is it the same thing? I think what's more important 498 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 1: and removing work is the conversation about what is going on. 499 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 1: We have to get better at talking about what the 500 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 1: offense is and what happened and how we're dealing with 501 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,720 Speaker 1: that as a society, more than necessarily removing the work, 502 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,880 Speaker 1: you know. And that's just my opinion on that. I've 503 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 1: chosen not to listen to certain things and engage in 504 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:36,040 Speaker 1: certain people's working because that's just my personal decision. But 505 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 1: in terms of um, you know, removing their work, I 506 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 1: don't agree with that. I do think that I'm sorry, 507 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 1: well yeah, I mean, I can't listen to him and 508 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 1: I choose not to. But I think that more than 509 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 1: the song needs to be removed, we have to start 510 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 1: to discuss why the song happened, and why people how 511 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 1: much that's happening in our own community these and how 512 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 1: we're not dealing with it, and how we're not having 513 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 1: that conversation about that person in our family or that 514 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 1: person on our block, and we have to continue to 515 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 1: talk about those things. It's the conversation that's more important 516 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,040 Speaker 1: than removing the world, because you end up cutting off 517 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 1: a finger, but not the hands. Right now, I will 518 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:21,160 Speaker 1: say this, there were some talk about not allowing the 519 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 1: person who made the work to work until they handled 520 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 1: their business. Now that I can get down with, because 521 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 1: I do think there's a certain level of things can 522 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:34,120 Speaker 1: get to a certain level where you have to get 523 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 1: account to ability. It's like we all live in a 524 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 1: world of evidence and receipts, right, and if the receipts 525 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 1: are out there and those receipts are tied to lives, 526 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 1: people's actual lives. You know, this is a favorite receipts though, 527 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:58,080 Speaker 1: to be actual receipts and and not gossip or you know, 528 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 1: conjecture or you know, some months I need, I need 529 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 1: and not part of the truth. The whole truth became 530 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 1: My thing is like, you can't hold a person accountable 531 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 1: without talking about what made that person do what they did. 532 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 1: You can't do that. It's like, for example, I was 533 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,760 Speaker 1: reading this whole thing about black codes that after the 534 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,480 Speaker 1: Civil War, and it's like black people could get arrested 535 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:30,560 Speaker 1: for being a vagrant or being unemployed, right, and so 536 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:35,040 Speaker 1: then they therefore made employment so unfair. That was almost 537 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,680 Speaker 1: like being a slave, right. Anyone who chose not to 538 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 1: be employed, even though any human being wouldn't want to 539 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 1: be employed under those circumstances, they could go to jail. Right, 540 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,600 Speaker 1: So I say this to say that you can meet 541 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,680 Speaker 1: a man or a woman at that time and they 542 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,720 Speaker 1: may have been to jail, and the fact of the 543 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 1: matter is that, yeah, you can punish that person for 544 00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:00,680 Speaker 1: being a quote unquote a thief for vagrant and say, oh, 545 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,120 Speaker 1: that's punishable by law. You could do that, But if 546 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,479 Speaker 1: you don't discuss the reason why they got there, then 547 00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,440 Speaker 1: you're doing a disservice to actual humanity and society as 548 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,680 Speaker 1: a whole. So I'm just saying, like, that's really where 549 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,040 Speaker 1: I'm at with it on on that part of it. 550 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,920 Speaker 1: I mean, I know it's tricky. I know you have 551 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,560 Speaker 1: actual people's lives who are so especially when you start 552 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,960 Speaker 1: talking about things that involved children of sexual assaul or 553 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:26,600 Speaker 1: anything like that. I recognize that that's very triggering. I 554 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 1: recognized that that affects many, many people, and and to 555 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,160 Speaker 1: be fair, it affects the person and that I was 556 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,640 Speaker 1: alluding to as well, Like I do understand that person 557 00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,520 Speaker 1: too was a victim of sexual assault. And it's your 558 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:44,360 Speaker 1: right agent's whoa. It's it's the kind of start of 559 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,200 Speaker 1: talking about that music. I want to talk about what 560 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 1: has come out of our communities to help victims sense? Then, 561 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,920 Speaker 1: how have we shifted our thinking around survivors? Are we 562 00:34:55,040 --> 00:35:01,600 Speaker 1: talking about women period? Survivors period? Are we having these conversations? 563 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,160 Speaker 1: I don't care if you listen to it. What are 564 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:10,000 Speaker 1: you doing? How did that change your life? And I'll 565 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,040 Speaker 1: even say that about all of it when people talk 566 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,920 Speaker 1: about people who stepped out on their wives or husbands 567 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,680 Speaker 1: or you know, we had famous men and a famous 568 00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:22,280 Speaker 1: woman who got caught out there and talked about about 569 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:27,399 Speaker 1: their head right, And I'm saying, right now, how does 570 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:31,239 Speaker 1: that affect your relationships? How are you discussing marriage? How 571 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,319 Speaker 1: are you discussion connection? How are you discussing these things? 572 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:39,360 Speaker 1: Because it's really about if these people are inspiring to 573 00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:46,160 Speaker 1: you and they fall off, it's the conversation that should happen, 574 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:50,480 Speaker 1: not the judgment. Is that what you're saying. I'm saying, yes, 575 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:52,719 Speaker 1: I think you need to be really thinking about how 576 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:54,640 Speaker 1: this affects us all as a whole, because it does 577 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,760 Speaker 1: you start thinking more communal yet, how it affects everyone 578 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,600 Speaker 1: and how the conversations were not having with each other. 579 00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:17,280 Speaker 1: We'll be back after the break. I try to mind 580 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,800 Speaker 1: my business. I really do, because I'm in a position 581 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,640 Speaker 1: where I want people to mind their business when a 582 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:28,479 Speaker 1: relationship doesn't work out or I wasn't there, nobody was there. 583 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,440 Speaker 1: Nobody was in that house with them. People you don't know, 584 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,640 Speaker 1: You don't know what that relationship is like. Not really. 585 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,560 Speaker 1: You saw nice pictures, you know what I mean. You 586 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,960 Speaker 1: you saw pretty pictures, but you don't know. I think 587 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:41,719 Speaker 1: those that's one of those times where I'm gonna just 588 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,759 Speaker 1: stay out of it in my my business because it's 589 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:48,279 Speaker 1: not my business. Did the lady get back on the 590 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,719 Speaker 1: screen and do a wonderful film where she played the 591 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:58,960 Speaker 1: character beautifully, creatively, openly, then yeah, the rest of it, 592 00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,920 Speaker 1: you know. But however, those other subjects thought Jill, like, 593 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:05,080 Speaker 1: maybe I feel you on that woe when it comes 594 00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:08,799 Speaker 1: to the marriage. But we're seeing public people go through 595 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,640 Speaker 1: these things that a lot of us have in common 596 00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,239 Speaker 1: with these people are happening in our families, but we're 597 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,799 Speaker 1: not talking about So I feel asia on the sense 598 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,640 Speaker 1: of like because I think about that the things that 599 00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,400 Speaker 1: I talked about with my family members that has happened 600 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,360 Speaker 1: in my family and the things that we used to 601 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,120 Speaker 1: call just crazy, but now that's and I'm doing that now. 602 00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,319 Speaker 1: It's funny because I think j d Ill is helping 603 00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,319 Speaker 1: a little bit with that, just myself personally. I hope 604 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:35,080 Speaker 1: you two out there, but I am having more like 605 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,120 Speaker 1: I'm saying to mommy, why don't we talk about this? 606 00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:38,759 Speaker 1: We should talk about that, Mommy. Let let me hear 607 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,439 Speaker 1: more about why you just thought that was crazy, because 608 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,600 Speaker 1: if you think about that, that person actually had a 609 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,160 Speaker 1: messed up up here because y'all took her away from 610 00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,080 Speaker 1: the family and da da da dada. Oh I didn't 611 00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,560 Speaker 1: think about it like that. Okay, Well, let's just let's 612 00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,799 Speaker 1: start think about things differently because oh yeah, or even 613 00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,400 Speaker 1: my teenager was telling me that about mental illness too, 614 00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:58,840 Speaker 1: like you you're talking about that, Like she was talking 615 00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,640 Speaker 1: about famous people or even people who should a particular 616 00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:05,560 Speaker 1: person on TikTok on social media who have become famous 617 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:09,000 Speaker 1: but became famous because of their antics, which are clearly 618 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:13,040 Speaker 1: about mental illness, and she was like, what happens a 619 00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:14,759 Speaker 1: lot of times is that people just don't want to 620 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,040 Speaker 1: talk about People do things and exhibit behavior that either 621 00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,279 Speaker 1: people think it's funny or they're angry about it, or 622 00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,920 Speaker 1: they think it's funny until it makes them angry, or 623 00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:27,280 Speaker 1: they think it's okay. Until it's you know, reached whatever 624 00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:30,200 Speaker 1: level they think is too much, and then we don't 625 00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:33,240 Speaker 1: we we don't have a talk about why is this person? 626 00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:35,520 Speaker 1: Why do we want to watch a train wrank? Why 627 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,320 Speaker 1: are we even engaging in this? I told my thirteen 628 00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,600 Speaker 1: year old one time, I said, honey, listen, just because 629 00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:42,440 Speaker 1: they make it don't mean you have to consume it. 630 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:44,600 Speaker 1: And if you do slip up and consume it, that 631 00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,759 Speaker 1: means you ain't gotta share it. You just don't. I'm 632 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:52,799 Speaker 1: in this place where I do think that accountability is important, 633 00:38:53,560 --> 00:39:00,440 Speaker 1: but accountability is never a singular conversation. Accountability is always 634 00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:04,879 Speaker 1: a community conversation because a person does not become who 635 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,759 Speaker 1: they are in an isolated way. They don't do that 636 00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:12,120 Speaker 1: all by themselves. Like with a family, if something happens, 637 00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,319 Speaker 1: you know, like let's just say that the parents are 638 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,880 Speaker 1: getting a divorce or they think that they're going to 639 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:22,040 Speaker 1: that's the plan of action, and typically the parents have 640 00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:25,880 Speaker 1: a conversation with the children like listen, this is what's happening, 641 00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,959 Speaker 1: this is how we feel, this is this is why, 642 00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:31,279 Speaker 1: and then you have to deal with the emotions that 643 00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,040 Speaker 1: come from that. Some some kids are like, yes, I'm 644 00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:37,319 Speaker 1: glad and some kids are like, no, please, don't do this. 645 00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:43,280 Speaker 1: You know, like, yeah, I I really, I really feel 646 00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:47,760 Speaker 1: that aga that that accountability is a really big portion 647 00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:51,080 Speaker 1: of the show that you know, I think it was 648 00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:54,320 Speaker 1: Martin Luther King said something about accountability being the sign 649 00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:58,840 Speaker 1: of maturity. I love what you said, the thing about 650 00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:03,799 Speaker 1: process and feelings. We are a society of people who 651 00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:09,280 Speaker 1: just has either never learned how to, or has gotten 652 00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:12,279 Speaker 1: away from or just needs to continue to work at 653 00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:16,560 Speaker 1: mastering process and feelings. And I hate to blame everything 654 00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,160 Speaker 1: on social media because social media can be a cool thing, 655 00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,960 Speaker 1: but because of the quickness of the way we get 656 00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:24,200 Speaker 1: information nowadays, a lot of times we just are not 657 00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:27,839 Speaker 1: able to process our feelings. And processing your feelings needs 658 00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:31,040 Speaker 1: to be something that's safe. You have to feel safe 659 00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:34,480 Speaker 1: to have a very difficult conversation, which is why social 660 00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:37,720 Speaker 1: media sometimes can be such a jenky place to have them, 661 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,840 Speaker 1: because it's not there's it's not safe. It's not safe. 662 00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:44,840 Speaker 1: I remember thanking Jehovah for just for being able to 663 00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:49,040 Speaker 1: be with my son again, and then the comments were, 664 00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,520 Speaker 1: you know, talking about Jehovah's witnesses and how it was 665 00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,799 Speaker 1: a cult, and you know, um. Some people were like, oh, 666 00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,400 Speaker 1: you're saying his name and you know, but I my 667 00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:07,120 Speaker 1: commented that was my faith is not your lane. It's 668 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:12,120 Speaker 1: really not your lane at all. My spirituality is a 669 00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:16,120 Speaker 1: big part of who I am. But like I said, again, 670 00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,440 Speaker 1: you know, I'm a whole human. I'm a whole person. 671 00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:25,719 Speaker 1: W h O l E. And that doesn't excuse me. 672 00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,800 Speaker 1: I'm not looking for excuses for that. I'm just saying 673 00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,479 Speaker 1: that I am doing the best I can to live 674 00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,880 Speaker 1: all the way inside of myself. You know, do you 675 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,879 Speaker 1: understand to ask you this? Yeah? I ask you this though? 676 00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:46,359 Speaker 1: Is it is it okay for people to just call 677 00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,160 Speaker 1: folks when they feel of ship? Like you're not canceled, 678 00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,480 Speaker 1: but you are feel of ship on this particular issue, 679 00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:56,799 Speaker 1: fair enough? Yeah? Are you saying are you saying I'm 680 00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:00,080 Speaker 1: fulish it? No? No, No, No, I was asking I'm go, 681 00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:07,200 Speaker 1: we have this conversation. We are here to have conversations 682 00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:10,000 Speaker 1: that sparked conversation. No, I'm just saying when people are 683 00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:14,080 Speaker 1: when people being you know what I mean, I think 684 00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,200 Speaker 1: it's okay to call bullshit, you know, I like the 685 00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:19,440 Speaker 1: way to be honest. Damn, can't we say no names? 686 00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:21,239 Speaker 1: But all right, let me see if I can do this. 687 00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:27,480 Speaker 1: It was a situation where, uh why woman on TV 688 00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:32,719 Speaker 1: had made a very big mistake, and she went to 689 00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:36,840 Speaker 1: a black man who was also on TV to help 690 00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:41,160 Speaker 1: her publicly quite quash this thing. And then that black man, 691 00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,960 Speaker 1: uh call upon a lot of public white black women 692 00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:49,560 Speaker 1: to help her understand. And those black women was like, 693 00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:53,320 Speaker 1: that ain't my job. And he was like, oh my bad. 694 00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:56,400 Speaker 1: You right, I messed up. My wife just told me 695 00:42:56,480 --> 00:43:00,600 Speaker 1: that I love it. I love and he gets to 696 00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,520 Speaker 1: go back to work the next day a better man. 697 00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,480 Speaker 1: So and I think that sometimes things are so bad 698 00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:12,879 Speaker 1: that they actually have to go to the opposite end 699 00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:14,880 Speaker 1: for a second, just to find this way back to 700 00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,920 Speaker 1: the middle. That there wasn't a clusterfuck that that retell 701 00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,279 Speaker 1: that story wasn't y'all understood what I was saying. No, 702 00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,920 Speaker 1: I understood, And so all the people so well, the 703 00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:33,840 Speaker 1: people yeah that respect him. Um but yeah, so yeah, listen, 704 00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:35,799 Speaker 1: we all can get caught out there. Yeah we cant 705 00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:39,440 Speaker 1: all yeah, yeah, and just now we just can't canceling. 706 00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:41,360 Speaker 1: And so it was. It happened so fast and feels 707 00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:43,080 Speaker 1: like all of a sudden, there's this thing called cancel 708 00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,239 Speaker 1: and it was happening fast. It was like wait, wait, wait, 709 00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,520 Speaker 1: we don't have no uh, what was the requirements for 710 00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,320 Speaker 1: the cancelization? We should have the standards. And it was 711 00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,480 Speaker 1: just like no, I'm gonna say it's canceled, and it's canceled. 712 00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:58,319 Speaker 1: I remember I had Uh. I got reamed years ago 713 00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,319 Speaker 1: because I told this lady in the order is to 714 00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:04,560 Speaker 1: shut the funk up. Yeah. They were like, oh my god. 715 00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,239 Speaker 1: We thought she was so nice and so sweet, and 716 00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:11,120 Speaker 1: she told that shut the funk up. I surely did. 717 00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:17,239 Speaker 1: The woman was drunk, she was belligerent, and she was 718 00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:21,480 Speaker 1: cussing me out in the front row, telling me to 719 00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:26,760 Speaker 1: sing a song. I just sang and talking, I mean 720 00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:30,840 Speaker 1: like talking through every all of my transitions. You know, 721 00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:34,439 Speaker 1: I tell stories, so she's all in my transitions, tell 722 00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:36,520 Speaker 1: cussing me out. Yes, I told him to kick the 723 00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:47,240 Speaker 1: sunk out and yeah, and when I did, the people 724 00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:52,239 Speaker 1: that were in her area applauded, and she was She 725 00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,880 Speaker 1: got kicked out of the show. But the people in 726 00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,600 Speaker 1: the back who didn't hear what she was saying was like, 727 00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:07,440 Speaker 1: good ship, how facebook, Facebook, Facebook Facebook? Yeah. I would 728 00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:11,240 Speaker 1: like to be asked questions instead of you know, I'm 729 00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:14,319 Speaker 1: just like asking the world to think the better of 730 00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:17,920 Speaker 1: you if you could, if you know what I mean. Like, 731 00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,520 Speaker 1: those are the things on the other hand, which is 732 00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:25,120 Speaker 1: not really fair to the strangers. But on the on 733 00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,919 Speaker 1: the other end of things, sometimes when people do call 734 00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:31,120 Speaker 1: you on something that actually is real, people have to 735 00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,879 Speaker 1: learn how to have some grace. I ain't gonna lie 736 00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:35,400 Speaker 1: to you. Like one time. I one time, it's on 737 00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:39,000 Speaker 1: Facebook and I posted, um an article and it it 738 00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:43,719 Speaker 1: was the article wasn't terrible, but it was not It 739 00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:47,000 Speaker 1: didn't have the right information in it. It presented a 740 00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:52,480 Speaker 1: particular issue in a way that was not proper, and um, 741 00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:56,279 Speaker 1: someone really kind of ramed me about it. And so 742 00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,200 Speaker 1: I went back and read it and ready to get 743 00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:00,399 Speaker 1: I said, oh, you know what, I see where you're from. 744 00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,480 Speaker 1: And then I saw who published the article. And I 745 00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,239 Speaker 1: went back and I studied who that person was, I mean, 746 00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,520 Speaker 1: who that that organization was. And then I understood even 747 00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,759 Speaker 1: further why she was upset with me. And so I 748 00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,239 Speaker 1: deemed her and I said, you know what, I took 749 00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:18,439 Speaker 1: it down, thank you. I was not right. And then 750 00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,799 Speaker 1: I publicly said I put up something that was incorrect. 751 00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:25,440 Speaker 1: X y Z blad and she and I are actually 752 00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:29,719 Speaker 1: friends now. We became friends out of that moment, and 753 00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:31,880 Speaker 1: we didn't even know each other then. And my point 754 00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:38,000 Speaker 1: is that sometimes people have got to accept a correction. 755 00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:43,000 Speaker 1: Even it's like these days, I just find sometimes that 756 00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:46,719 Speaker 1: people are are very quick to say all folks just 757 00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:55,160 Speaker 1: too sensitive, or people crazy, or it's like nah, sometimes 758 00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,840 Speaker 1: it's ego, and it's it's really hard to have some 759 00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:03,000 Speaker 1: check you. You know that you don't know, especially if 760 00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:06,080 Speaker 1: you bought into this idea that you're you know, on 761 00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:10,319 Speaker 1: some somebody's pedestal, that's what you're thinking about yourself, that 762 00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:14,759 Speaker 1: you're better than everybody else. I look, I know, I 763 00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:19,319 Speaker 1: definitely get some celebrity privileges, and I'm super grateful for 764 00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,600 Speaker 1: all of them. Really, really and truly. Thank you so 765 00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:28,359 Speaker 1: much for shout out to Philadelphia TSA. Come on you much, 766 00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:33,759 Speaker 1: thank you kindly. Thank you, thank you every t s 767 00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:37,640 Speaker 1: A that I've ever gone through, Thank you kindly. Thank 768 00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:40,400 Speaker 1: you to everybody that works at the hotel. I'm like, 769 00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:42,960 Speaker 1: let me just upgrade. I would like bless your life. 770 00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:49,080 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. You worry as I appreciate. Thank 771 00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:51,920 Speaker 1: you so much. You don't have to, but you did 772 00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:56,680 Speaker 1: what you did? Thank you? Where was you going? What? 773 00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:00,560 Speaker 1: I know? I'm just saying I'm shouting people out, thank you, 774 00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:07,080 Speaker 1: But I'm not. I'm not oblivious that I'm a celebrity. 775 00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:09,839 Speaker 1: I'm not oblivious to it. I just don't own that. 776 00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:14,319 Speaker 1: I don't like, I don't want. I really do like 777 00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,480 Speaker 1: girls be shopping. I really do like meeting strangers and 778 00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:21,479 Speaker 1: having conversations about something or nothing. I like that. That's 779 00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:24,400 Speaker 1: what makes me a writer. That's what makes me a 780 00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:27,520 Speaker 1: right being able to talk to people and being able 781 00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:33,600 Speaker 1: to think out loud and listen to I appreciate your thoughts, ladies, always, 782 00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:37,040 Speaker 1: always so much. I always learned something with you guys 783 00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:41,160 Speaker 1: and get a different perspective. And that's the that's the 784 00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,280 Speaker 1: point in the goal. And just a word of advice 785 00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:46,239 Speaker 1: to people from someone who's always constantly being corrected, whether 786 00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:48,839 Speaker 1: on social or just in life. Uh. You know that 787 00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,440 Speaker 1: emoji where the faces with the teeth is just like 788 00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,160 Speaker 1: if you don't know when to say when you're being corrected, 789 00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:59,439 Speaker 1: you use that face and go oh my bad when 790 00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:02,879 Speaker 1: you know you're because that's what I do. Oh you're right. 791 00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:08,120 Speaker 1: Maybe maybe you don't know. Damn, you just don't know, 792 00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:12,840 Speaker 1: so that's a good one, saying that's what that emoji 793 00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:16,680 Speaker 1: is for my bad. You'll continue with your do out 794 00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:18,520 Speaker 1: here fake and don't be out here fake in the 795 00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:22,799 Speaker 1: damn funk we want to you are all right that 796 00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:26,680 Speaker 1: that pola dirty clothes in the corner. It's okay. You 797 00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:28,839 Speaker 1: ain't got a crop in Out'm gonna I'm gonna change 798 00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:31,080 Speaker 1: my ain'tle real quick Asian. You don't have to do that, 799 00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:44,879 Speaker 1: just Joe, always a pleasure, Pa, How do you eat 800 00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:55,200 Speaker 1: an elephant? One? By time? What's up? Everybody? Producer eaves 801 00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,959 Speaker 1: here and I'm here to give you the episode resources. 802 00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:01,200 Speaker 1: So look, social media can have us thinking that we 803 00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:04,879 Speaker 1: know things about people's lives, but in reality, we really 804 00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:07,480 Speaker 1: only know what they give us. There is a huge 805 00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:10,640 Speaker 1: difference between who people are online and what they do 806 00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:14,319 Speaker 1: off camera and behind closed doors. Even if they're not 807 00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:19,640 Speaker 1: purposefully misrepresenting their lives, people have whole existences that we 808 00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:22,520 Speaker 1: are not privy to and know nothing about. I'll drop 809 00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:26,640 Speaker 1: links to some articles about still called canceling accountability and 810 00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:43,000 Speaker 1: the facade of social media in the episode description, Hi, 811 00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:45,920 Speaker 1: if you have comments on something he said in this 812 00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:50,359 Speaker 1: episode called eight six six. Hey do if you want 813 00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:53,480 Speaker 1: to add to this conversation, that's eight six six four 814 00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:56,879 Speaker 1: three nine five four five five. Don't forget to tell 815 00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:59,719 Speaker 1: us your name and the episode you're referring to. 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