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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. It is often said and

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Speaker 1: quoted that there is nothing on earth stronger than a

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Speaker 1: mother's love. Love that will make a mother do anything,

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Speaker 1: go anywhere, brave dangerous circumstances, and most of all, never

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Speaker 1: give up. And that is today's crime Stories. I'm Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us

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Speaker 1: here at Fox Nation and Serious XM one eleven talking

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Speaker 1: about a handsome young guy, Edward Goodwin. Take a listen

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Speaker 1: to our friends at kf VS. Goodwin was the father

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Speaker 1: of two children, a teenager and a young child. What

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Speaker 1: is your grandson? Cd you about his dad? Immensity? On

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Speaker 1: Goodwin's birthday, his mother erected across in their front yard,

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Speaker 1: the only memorial she has for her son. Everybody, there's

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Speaker 1: a new flower on there. The Butler County Sheriff says

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Speaker 1: he hears from missus Goodwin almost every day. I do.

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Speaker 1: I'm probably a pain in his neck. I guess. So

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Speaker 1: You have no idea where he is. You know he

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Speaker 1: would never walk out on his children or you his mother,

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Speaker 1: But yet no resolution is seemingly nothing being done about it?

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Speaker 1: Can you imagine going out to your front yard and

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Speaker 1: erecting a cross for your son that you can't find,

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Speaker 1: that you haven't heard of from, and every day putting

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Speaker 1: another flower there, one day after the next, after the next,

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Speaker 1: after the next. What happened to Edward Goodwin? Listen? Edward

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Speaker 1: Goodwin was a self employed tile lair and father to

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Speaker 1: to visit often, but in June several days went by

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Speaker 1: without contact, and then Edward Goodwin uncharacteristically missed a planned

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Speaker 1: Connie Goodwin reported her son missing and more from our

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Speaker 1: friends at k f VS. Connie Goodwin, here's a lot

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Speaker 1: of stories about her son, but she's hoping now a

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Speaker 1: will never stop searching from using. Connie Goodwin has been

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Speaker 1: It's been a living hell because you don't know where

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Speaker 1: probably dead. They believe he's probably dead. Okay, joining me

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Speaker 1: an all star panel of experts. But first I'm going

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Speaker 1: Edward's mother, Connie Goodwin, along with his father ed Goodwin.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's a fine. How do you do Oh

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Speaker 1: he's probably dead? What I mean if the sheriff came

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Speaker 1: realized something was wrong, that you had no idea where

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Speaker 1: is your son Edward? What happened? I noticed something was

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Speaker 1: wrong the weekend, in the last weekend in June. It

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Speaker 1: But whenever, and we searched everywhere, we called his phone,

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Speaker 1: it just go straight to the voicemail. Yes, yes, and

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Speaker 1: July the fourth whenever never showed up for the barbecue. Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's not right, now, that is not right. As long

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Speaker 1: July the fourth blowout. We gill, we cook out, we

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Speaker 1: I reported him missing July to sifth, day after July fourth.

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Speaker 1: Tell me about your son. What was he like growing up?

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Speaker 1: What kind of man did he grow into? He was

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Speaker 1: his nieces and nephews. On holidays, like on Easter, he

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Speaker 1: What was that like? He would just stop by and

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Speaker 1: takes away hope. And I've been a part of searching

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Speaker 1: funds before this one with this department, and it's a

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Speaker 1: big undertaking. It's a lot of work, but you do

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Speaker 1: it well. Can I tell you, mister Akers with me

427
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Speaker 1: Jim Akers Corner, Butler County. I dived all over the

428
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Speaker 1: world and diving in a murky pond is not easy.

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Speaker 1: Very often you can't even see your hand in front

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Speaker 1: of your face, So diving down into it and looking

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Speaker 1: would not be the answer. It'd have to be drained,

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Speaker 1: wouldn't you agree, mister Akers? Oh? Absolutely, There would have

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Speaker 1: been zero visibility, and this pond was quite large at

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Speaker 1: the onset they took. From what I understand, they would

435
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Speaker 1: take a boat out on it. Google Earth still shows

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00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,439
Speaker 1: it as a much larger body of water than what

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Speaker 1: it is today. It would have been very difficult, nearly impossible,

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Speaker 1: to have mapped out the entire bottom of that pond

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00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 1: and to have done a recovery. Drainage would be the

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00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: only way. The Sheriff's department would need a search warrant

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00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 1: or need permission from the owner to go forward with that,

442
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 1: whereas the open field doctrine would allow you to walk

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Speaker 1: through the field absolutely fun. Of course, if you don't

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Speaker 1: get permission by the owners, you could always get a

445
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 1: search warrant if you got enough PC probable cause and

446
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 1: with the phone pinging right there, that's PC enough to

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00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 1: search that pond. And let me ask you with me,

448
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 1: is Jim Acres a very well respected corner out of

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Speaker 1: Butler County there in Missouri and Poplar Bluff with extensive background?

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00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 1: Connie Goodwin, how many times did you question the sheriff

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Speaker 1: regarding you've got your son's phone ping right by this pond,

452
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 1: but they won't drain it. How many times do you

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Speaker 1: think you asked them to drain that pond? Hundreds? I

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00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: mean hundreds, and every time you got a different excuse

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Speaker 1: as to why they hadn't done it. Exactly. It was

456
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: a break in the case in mid October and November.

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00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 1: That's when everything goes to Levy and they drained partial

458
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Speaker 1: of the and they last water in the pond. Partial draining.

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00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 1: That's as good as you could get, but at least

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Speaker 1: it's something. Guys. Take a listen now to our friends

461
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Speaker 1: at KF the fur Cut eight new details this morning

462
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 1: on a murder investigation that we've been following since twenty

463
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: fifteen in Butler County. Corner Jim Akers confirming with us

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00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 1: that more remains of Edward Goodwin have been found in

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Speaker 1: a pond off of Route five seventy two in Butler County.

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00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 1: Goodwin went missing in June of twenty fifteen. Ricky Hurt

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00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 1: has been charged with first degree murdering connection with this case.

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Speaker 1: The Sheriff's Department drained most of a pond where some

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Speaker 1: of Goodwin's remains were first discovered. Akers says that this

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Speaker 1: concludes the search. No word yet on cause of death.

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00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 1: So after all that time, years have passed and finally

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Speaker 1: a partial draining was done and some remains were found,

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00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 1: just as you suspected. Connie Goodman tell me how that happened.

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Speaker 1: There's a break in the case. And it was like

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Speaker 1: two weeks later. I messages Mark Dogs and ask him,

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Speaker 1: you know they're going to were they going to, you know,

477
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 1: break the levy, but are they going to drain it?

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00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 1: And anyway, I told him that I see that he's

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Speaker 1: not doing nothing because it's been two weeks. And I

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00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 1: told him, I said, Ben, I'll tell you what I'm

481
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: going to do. I'm going to get John Bows dragging gear,

482
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 1: whateveryone has to do. I'm going to search that pond.

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00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 1: Hold on right there, guys, take a listen to our

484
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: cut twelve from crime Online. After police unsuccessfully attempted to

485
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Speaker 1: drain the pond last fall, Connie Engage Goodwin, the son

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00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: of Edward Goodwin, decided to take care of the job themselves.

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00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 1: They rented us some pump and took water out of

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Speaker 1: the pond. Connie Goodwin, you get out out with a

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Speaker 1: sap pump and you began to drain the pond yourself, right, yes,

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Speaker 1: but to help them my husband and goodman, and how

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00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 1: do you go about draining a pond with a salt pump.

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00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 1: We had backed the truck all the way down in there,

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Speaker 1: I mean Connie fitted over there and then put the

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00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: hose is up there, and then we had to find

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Speaker 1: something to get water out of the pond to trying

496
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 1: to pump to get it going, and finally got going

497
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 1: as you kept the pump until we start seeing something

498
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Speaker 1: until Connie, I said, I know that's concrete box over too.

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Speaker 1: Then when I walked on the other sun, I could

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Speaker 1: tell that was a two bats sticking up there and

501
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: concrete box. And a year ago that same day. I

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00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: mean when we was over a year ago. I mean,

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00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 1: Connie Gage are setting up there and just now twenty

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00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 1: five feet in front of um, there's where ever it was.

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00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 1: And I was talking to him that day. I find myself,

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Speaker 1: So if you're in there, please let me know, me

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00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 1: help me and let you let me find you can

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00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: get you older. And you know, I just em blows

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00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: your mind. I'm just trying to take in what you

510
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 1: just said, mister Goodwin. Miss Goodwin, were you there when

511
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: your son's remains emerged? Yes, what happened like a horrible thing.

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Speaker 1: I told my husband, I said, let's just keep on pumping.

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00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 1: Let's keep on pumping because we don't we can't stop

514
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: and call you. I didn't want to call because I

515
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: figured if I did call, and then you know when

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00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 1: they come out, I figured maybe they can't help us

517
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 1: to leave, and I didn't want to leave. So we

518
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 1: kept on pumping through all the water was completely out,

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00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 1: and that's when I called Jimmakers. Yeah, he come out

520
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 1: and he confirmed what we've seen. Jim automatically just started

521
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 1: taking off his shoes and the socks, and this mud

522
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,399
Speaker 1: was anywhere between two two and a half eat deep,

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00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 1: I mean thick mud, suction mud where it's hard to

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Speaker 1: you know, to we even walk through. And I don't

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Speaker 1: I don't see how they just took off running, you know,

526
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 1: my grandson. But we was trying to figure out how

527
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: we can get out there, you know, without because they

528
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: was big snapping turtles in you know, going through the mud.

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00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 1: We seemed like anywhere between six or seven of them,

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00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: you know, And I didn't want him to get hurt,

531
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: and thinking, well, you know, hey, we run the corner

532
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 1: right here, and here we are getting him hurt. You know,

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00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 1: what did you see, miss Goodwin that made you know

534
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 1: that was your son? We started seeing it looked like

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00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:54,919
Speaker 1: it looked like sticks and the weight at first when

536
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,879
Speaker 1: they started poking up, but when the water was going down,

537
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: but the closer you, I mean you it was his

538
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 1: knee bones and it looked like that they was coming

539
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: up out. It looked like it was coming up out

540
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 1: the hose at the concrete block and almost like an across,

541
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: feel like it was crossed. So Jim acres with me

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00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 1: the Butler County corner. I heard cement blocks. Do you

543
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: believe Edward had been weighted down with cement blocks and

544
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: thrown in the pond. Yes, ma'am. I found his tibia

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00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 1: and fibia through the center of the cement blocks with

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00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 1: a portion of babble I wrapped around the top of

547
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: them and around the bottom and under the cement block.

548
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 1: I found both feet well the bones, and they were

549
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:45,399
Speaker 1: completely under the center block, so they had been there

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00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 1: in that position since shortly after he had been placed

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00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 1: in the pond. Mister Goodwin, I heard you say that

552
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:57,760
Speaker 1: when y'all you were draining the pond, you I asked

553
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 1: your son to help you find him? Yes, do you

554
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 1: think he Do you think he heard you? Mancy? Can

555
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 1: I say something? Yes? This is just breaking my heart

556
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 1: and honey, and I'm so sorry that you guys had

557
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 1: to go through this. No family should have to see

558
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 1: or endure what you guys can or endure of your

559
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 1: own child. This is a shame, Miss Goodwin. What went

560
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: through your mind when you saw your son's like vines?

561
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 1: I just started shaking. I got where I felt like,

562
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I like that I was shaking. I felt numb.

563
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 1: I just felt like I couldn't stand. I'm shut down

564
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: on the sign in the mud so that you just

565
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:53,359
Speaker 1: couldn't move, you know, and and I watched my watch

566
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 1: gimmakers and my grands engaged, you know, Jim pulling things

567
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,320
Speaker 1: from them in the mud, and and seeing my grandson

568
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: Edward's then, you know, to see everything and seeing him

569
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: break down, it was it was bad. I hope no

570
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 1: parent ever has to do this again. It's something that

571
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 1: I'll never forget, and it's something that Gage will never forget.

572
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: You know, he's still you know, he's hurting now and

573
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: he just ain't the same as the Ladybels before ed

574
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 1: good When what went through your mind when you saw

575
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 1: what you believed to be your son's bones, That's just

576
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 1: kind of hard to explain. But I stay strong because

577
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: of the Gauge in Corning. You know, I just didn't

578
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: want to break down myself because when Gauge is up

579
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:47,280
Speaker 1: there putting ever part Ruddy carts into kayak. He was returned,

580
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 1: he said, and he was crying. He was trying to

581
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 1: keep from crying. So that helped me from just working

582
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 1: down myself, you know, knowing what he was going to

583
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 1: getting his own dad. I'm just so sorry we've all

584
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:08,800
Speaker 1: been through. I just hate it so much. Miss Goodwin.

585
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:14,840
Speaker 1: Did you put Edward to rest? Yes? I did the

586
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 1: day when Jim left the pond. My husband he hauled

587
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 1: the concrete bosh for Jim in the in the byb

588
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 1: war to his through his office, and me and my

589
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 1: daughter engaged. We stayed there at the pond and it

590
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: was just like it was just like an empty feeling,

591
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: like Everard's left the villain, you know, and we got

592
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 1: Everard remains back. You know. Do the the circumstances that

593
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: I hadn't cremated because I wanted to come home. Ye'll

594
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 1: keep you The suspects, Eldert Smith and Ricky Hirt brought

595
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 1: to justice. As a mother and a father and a

596
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 1: family grieve. No mother, no father, no son should have

597
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,800
Speaker 1: to go through what the Goodwin family has been through.

598
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Speaker 1: But never once did the good Ones give up. Never

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Speaker 1: once did mister and miss Goodwin, Connie and ed Ever

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Speaker 1: stop on their mission to get justice and to bring

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Speaker 1: their son Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off good bye