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Speaker 1: Straining live from the Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the
Speaker 1: Star in fris Joe sat. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brons,
Speaker 1: Rob Phillips, and Bill Jones. What's up? Welcome into Talking
Speaker 1: Cowboys inside the SWBC Mortgage studio. Rob Phillips hosting for
Speaker 1: Bill Jones tending to his TV duties as per usual
Speaker 1: on a Wednesday Big Show. Today, Brian brought us across
Speaker 1: the table from me, Mickey Spagnola to my right as
Speaker 1: always Kent Garrison producing next door. You're rubbing your hands together.
Speaker 1: You're ready go, I'm ready. Hap your birthday to brought us.
Speaker 1: Thank you appreciate that Mickey had the Lumberjack breakfast over there.
Speaker 1: Do you knows that, Yes, he had the Lumberjack breakfast.
Speaker 1: What do you have eggs? Over easy? Now? I would
Speaker 1: I went the I went. I'm on that program that
Speaker 1: diet where I'm not eating anything and anything. Basically, Mickey,
Speaker 1: it's like I'm eating air very yeah, but it's very yeah.
Speaker 1: But it's like they allow you to eat eggs. No cheese.
Speaker 1: I eat egg like an egg omelet, three egg omelet
Speaker 1: with with a bell, pepper and spinach. That's it. What's
Speaker 1: wrong with that? Nothing's wrong with it. I'd love to
Speaker 1: have like one hundred pounds of cheese in that thing, too,
Speaker 1: especially when someone cooks it for you. No, and I
Speaker 1: have no complaints about the fifty. It's easy to be
Speaker 1: on a diet this place. Egg whites are regular. You
Speaker 1: have regular eggs in this thing. Yeah, splurge, Yeah, why not?
Speaker 1: Why can't you cheat on your birthday? I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: do that. I've come. I've lost a serious I've lost
Speaker 1: like fourteen pounds doing this. Congrats. No, I appreciate that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you. Yeah, there's no cheating. Well, you know your birthday, man,
Speaker 1: it's especially especially did you make a pizza last night? No,
Speaker 1: it's a long story. I'll tell you later. Okay, sounds good.
Speaker 1: You don't want to, you know, I'd say, no, it's good.
Speaker 1: It's good. We've got all It's funny how we have
Speaker 1: all these birthdays. It's crazy. Ambar on Saturday, Mickey yesterday,
Speaker 1: me today, Dave Hellman on Fridriday. Friday. Yeah, there was
Speaker 1: there one last week two week Mills. No, No, I
Speaker 1: think maybe it was next week. Yeah, yeah, just damn
Speaker 1: staff back around the holidays. Yeah, you know, absolutely, it's
Speaker 1: uh and I feel like we're a tight knit group.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's good to celebrate everybody. Yep. And it's
Speaker 1: easier when the team Shannon there for a minute, you said, like, Shannon,
Speaker 1: what did I say everyday? Everybody? What's up? Birthday brought
Speaker 1: us had to Concrete Cowboy Go last night. It was
Speaker 1: a good show. Shannon does a really good job hosting
Speaker 1: that thing. Yeah, moves it around too, you know. And
Speaker 1: the and the folks that came out, and we had
Speaker 1: a couple of fans that were there, gentlemen that we're
Speaker 1: wearing the cowboy gear and kind of cozied up there
Speaker 1: at the watering hole and uh asked some good questions.
Speaker 1: There's some good questions. Had a gentleman from Jamaica that
Speaker 1: was there last night. He was would he say he
Speaker 1: moved he moved the United States to get close to
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, but he ended up in Washington, d c.
Speaker 1: D To figure out that He's like, whoa wait a minute,
Speaker 1: I didn't come from this team. I game from the
Speaker 1: Southern team. Wrong nfcastrong wrong rival there, but no, that's
Speaker 1: compass or what. I don't know that Nate gave gives
Speaker 1: you like a quick rundown to somebody's life. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: right before the question. Yeah, you know it is Mickey, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of fun. It's a lot of enjoyed
Speaker 1: the show. He was in honor of Columbus. He came
Speaker 1: one place. He was not on the penior of the
Speaker 1: Santa Maria. No, he was. He was fun. He might
Speaker 1: have been with the Bob sled dudes. He just ended
Speaker 1: up in the wrong spots found America. But he ended
Speaker 1: up where in Puerto Rico or South America summer where
Speaker 1: it was about three hours north. You know, he almost
Speaker 1: had it, almost made it. He found he found the Star. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know he did a good job. Yeah. I appreciate
Speaker 1: the guy. Had a good discussion about Dak and maybe
Speaker 1: we can get into that again today, just kind of
Speaker 1: you know, dissecting stuff there. Yeah, we're dissecting where he's at.
Speaker 1: I think there's mostly positive stuff. Yeah, I don't think
Speaker 1: some fans, some observers are ever happy completely Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: calling back and it wasn't a perfect day or anything
Speaker 1: like that. Coach too, Yeah, um, coach deserves your respect
Speaker 1: today from what you know. I mean again, they've got
Speaker 1: to clinch this division. And but you know it looked
Speaker 1: pretty bleak there for a while at three and five,
Speaker 1: and he pulled things together. They made a trade. That
Speaker 1: trades help the quarterbacks playing better. You're playing with backup
Speaker 1: offensive lineman, you get a really good defense. There's a
Speaker 1: lot to be to be looking forward to as this
Speaker 1: thing kind of winds down the next three weeks. Eight eight, five, five,
Speaker 1: two two nine seven is the number if you guys
Speaker 1: would like to join us over the next hour. We've
Speaker 1: got a big show. We've got an unfamiliar opponent to
Speaker 1: maybe dive into a little bit. Yeah, today Indianapolis Colts
Speaker 1: different looking at their tape and seen that in a
Speaker 1: while seven and six. Yeah, they're in playoff position as well,
Speaker 1: second place in their division, trying to get a wildcard spot.
Speaker 1: Huge win against the Texans the other day, snapped a
Speaker 1: nine game Houston winning Street. Yeah, the Texans. You know,
Speaker 1: the Texans are out in front of that in that
Speaker 1: division and so but you know they got a game
Speaker 1: closer to them, and so this is an important game
Speaker 1: for them if you look at the big picture. I'm
Speaker 1: not going to act like I sit there and know
Speaker 1: completely what's going on in the AFC, but I do
Speaker 1: know that the Colts went and got them a big
Speaker 1: victory the other day, but had a bad loss the
Speaker 1: week before though against Jacksonville. That was a bad loss.
Speaker 1: I shut out six to nothing. Yeah, turnovers, turnovers happened
Speaker 1: in that one. That was the one where they got
Speaker 1: They went forward on fourth down and one on the
Speaker 1: goal line, tried to run a shovel inside and got stuffed,
Speaker 1: and so you know, and then they just couldn't really
Speaker 1: manufacture anything else offensively. But goodwinned Houston and they got there.
Speaker 1: They were shut out early the other day, yeah, against Houston,
Speaker 1: and then got it going. Now you say a little
Speaker 1: unique familiar on defense, because offensively, it's kind of a
Speaker 1: different look. They showed less. Well, it's yeah, a little
Speaker 1: bit Philadelphia. You got Frank Ryet. It's still you know
Speaker 1: that there's some of the things with the a little
Speaker 1: bit of the inside handoff stuff, but it's a very
Speaker 1: patient offense when you watch it play. I mean, the
Speaker 1: thing they've managed to keep Andrew Luck upright that has
Speaker 1: been the big big thing for them. They've they've invested
Speaker 1: a couple of different draft picks, high draft picks and
Speaker 1: offensive lineman. You know, Quinton Nelson was mich Wick a
Speaker 1: consensus it was him, say Quon Barkley, you know, as
Speaker 1: two of the best players in the draft, and and
Speaker 1: you know, the Colts at the sixth overall pick ended
Speaker 1: up getting Quinton Nelson, which was I thought a surprise.
Speaker 1: I thought he would I thought he would go in
Speaker 1: the top you know, probably four, but six is still
Speaker 1: tremendous for a guard. And then the Braden Smith who
Speaker 1: they drafted out of Auburn in the second round. Kind
Speaker 1: of thought of him, were of a third round type
Speaker 1: of a player. But he's playing really well for them
Speaker 1: at right tackle, and so they've kind of pulled some
Speaker 1: things together on that offensive line. They went and got
Speaker 1: Eric has really helped them in the passing game. And
Speaker 1: he's a guy that another tight end Mickey that you
Speaker 1: have to find a way to cover. You have to
Speaker 1: find a way. Okay, is at Jeff he is at linebackers?
Speaker 1: Is it? You know? Byron Jones. I think Byron Jones
Speaker 1: is going to have his hands full with t Y
Speaker 1: Hilton as well. Ryan Grant is also on this team.
Speaker 1: He used to play for the Redskins, so it's kind
Speaker 1: of a different group maybe other than Hilton. Not a
Speaker 1: bunch of big time wide receivers, but the quarterbacks doing
Speaker 1: a great job of staying upright, delivering the football, taking
Speaker 1: what they can get, and then occasionally taking that shot
Speaker 1: down the field of t Y Hilton. He had a
Speaker 1: huge game against Tennessee. Nine targets, nine receptions, some big,
Speaker 1: big time catches. They're starting to get him involved more.
Speaker 1: He started off high targets, high catches, kind of faded
Speaker 1: in the middle a little bit, and then now is
Speaker 1: back to the last five games. They've really started feeding
Speaker 1: him the football to try and generate some offense. How
Speaker 1: many times do you play back to back teams that
Speaker 1: the tight ends they're leading. Yeah, receiver in touchdowns, Ibron
Speaker 1: has twelve. I think, well he's broken Dallas Clarks Colts record. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he's already Dallas Clark was a great time. Dallas
Speaker 1: Clark was pretty good play with a pretty good quarterback.
Speaker 1: I next guy has twelve. Yeah, this is this is
Speaker 1: when you watch when we're all kind of familiar with
Speaker 1: Eric Ebron when he came out of North Carolina, he
Speaker 1: really wasn't an inline guy. He was more of a
Speaker 1: flex uh you know, play detached, mean detached away from
Speaker 1: the line, away from the tackle. You know, he's he's
Speaker 1: tough and and you know his he's his career. He's
Speaker 1: starting to play. Like the Detroit Lions believed that they
Speaker 1: were that he was going to play. He was the
Speaker 1: tenth overall pick, I want to say in that draft
Speaker 1: in the in the uh so, you know, it's just
Speaker 1: kind of watching him play and I'm like, okay, how
Speaker 1: do you how do you cover him? How do you
Speaker 1: stop him? You know, there's a lot of things. They
Speaker 1: throw the ball underneath to him, They throw the ball
Speaker 1: underneath to their backs a lot. They drafted this Naheim Hines.
Speaker 1: If you watched the draft show, you know from North
Speaker 1: Carolina State, we talked about him. Five to nine, one
Speaker 1: hundred and ninety six pound type of guy. You know,
Speaker 1: he's he's tough to bring down. But they use him
Speaker 1: like as a wide receiver. They use him in the slot,
Speaker 1: they toss him the ball. They kind of have a
Speaker 1: rotation of backs that they do use. But I think
Speaker 1: the most important thing for this offense for the Colts
Speaker 1: is the fact that they're protecting Andrew luck now and
Speaker 1: and that's something that you know for a while there
Speaker 1: that wasn't always the case. Well, especially given the injuries
Speaker 1: that he's had shoulder. Yeah, and he's bounced back thirty
Speaker 1: four touchdowns. That's I believe that's second behind Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 1: in Kansas City. Yeah, and a bit of a renaissance
Speaker 1: season for him. The run game is not their strengths. Basically,
Speaker 1: they mentioned it. Marlon mack Is is their starter, they
Speaker 1: use a couple of different Jordan Wilkins, Yeah, And for me,
Speaker 1: I think I mentioned this on The Happy Hour Mick yesterday,
Speaker 1: and you talk about this too. Defensively for Dallas, line
Speaker 1: one is stopping the run and they've been able to
Speaker 1: do that, particularly in the last five games. Sixty six
Speaker 1: yards given up per game during this win streak, and
Speaker 1: I don't think they've allowed one hundred yard rusher yet.
Speaker 1: That's kind of what you try to do first for Marinelli,
Speaker 1: and then everything feeds off of that. They've been able
Speaker 1: to do that. Zeke's like one hundred yards behind their
Speaker 1: entire team rushing. Yeah, they've rushed for thirteen thirty three
Speaker 1: their leader sixteen six sixteen Mac Mac that Zeke's doubled that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: although when you mentioned Luck getting protected, he's been sacked
Speaker 1: three times less than your quarterback. They went for a
Speaker 1: stretch there though, where they did so why did they
Speaker 1: go one in five? What in the world happened? Yeah,
Speaker 1: they got off to a one in five, they did.
Speaker 1: They got off to a really bad start, and but
Speaker 1: they were able. I mean they lost to the Jets
Speaker 1: in Buffalo. There were some questions about the quarterback though
Speaker 1: early in that he wasn't healthy. He wasn't healthy enough.
Speaker 1: I take back Buffalo was the Jets, not Buffalo. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you could say the same thing about this team. What
Speaker 1: in the world happened to start three and five? Well,
Speaker 1: you lose two games by three points, one game by
Speaker 1: eight points, and yeah, I think there's I think, you know,
Speaker 1: the early sacks and stuff you saw. I think they've
Speaker 1: gone to they had a game, they had a stretch
Speaker 1: there where they had three games where they didn't get
Speaker 1: a they didn't give up a sack, and I think
Speaker 1: that's been recently though. They they when you say you watched,
Speaker 1: you know, Jacksonville is a team that we feel like
Speaker 1: can pressure the quarterback, are capable of pressure in the quarterback,
Speaker 1: and they did a great job of protecting you know,
Speaker 1: you talk about with the with the Texans as well.
Speaker 1: Texans are a team that could also rush the passer.
Speaker 1: So they've had they've had some stretches where they've kind
Speaker 1: of you know where you're sitting there thinking, Oh, with Dallas,
Speaker 1: I mean, can you imagine Dallas having a stretch worth
Speaker 1: they have three straight games where they don't give up
Speaker 1: a sack. I mean, that would be we would throw
Speaker 1: a parade in downtown Dallas that or Frisco if that,
Speaker 1: if that were that right now. So yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I think it's you know, give him some credit. They
Speaker 1: started off very poorly, and you know, because I think
Speaker 1: the quarterback, I think the quarterbacks has come back, you know,
Speaker 1: to to the form that he once enjoyed. So he's
Speaker 1: given up forties plus, he's gotten sack forty plus times.
Speaker 1: Luck Mick no I said he was sacked three times
Speaker 1: less than than um Dak Daxman sack forty eight times.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. But there's both sacks sixteen times,
Speaker 1: oh three times less three times. Oh, I was gonna
Speaker 1: say I didn't. I feel like the protection is better
Speaker 1: than that. Yeah, because he's a guy for sixteen but
Speaker 1: guess what five of those have been in the last
Speaker 1: two games. Yeah, yeah, actually six in the last three games. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Just watching him throughout his career, Luck is a guy
Speaker 1: that he'll hang in the pocket and he'll take hits.
Speaker 1: He will take a beating. Tough guy. Yeah, yeah, really tough. Yeah,
Speaker 1: almost to the detriment of his health in recent years. Um,
Speaker 1: but you're right about if you flip it around and
Speaker 1: you talk about their defense, get ready for the same
Speaker 1: thing that you see from the Dallas Cowboys, the Cowboys defense.
Speaker 1: Get ready for slot blitz, get ready for twist game,
Speaker 1: get ready for slant front, get ready for fire zone,
Speaker 1: get ready for single high safety, get ready for picket
Speaker 1: fence on third down and long. You know, everything that
Speaker 1: you see with the Cowboys. Mattieberflus is carried over to
Speaker 1: the Indianapolis Colts. Moved him from a three four or
Speaker 1: four three absolutely cover two with some other principles and
Speaker 1: a built on speed. They do they run, I mean
Speaker 1: and you know, if you remember againting Marcus Hunt Cincinnati,
Speaker 1: big tall guy from smuh, they're using Marcus Hunt like
Speaker 1: they use David Irving, you know, like this the six
Speaker 1: seven six eight defensive tackle guy. That's what they've got,
Speaker 1: Marcus Hunt. He's not really playing as a defensive end anymore.
Speaker 1: He's playing more is than playing like a three or
Speaker 1: occasionally playing as a one. And what they're trying to
Speaker 1: do is affect the middle of the pocket if you're
Speaker 1: gonna you know, if he doesn't get home, hands up,
Speaker 1: you know, trying trying to flec balls and things like that.
Speaker 1: So they've got a They've got a pretty good front there.
Speaker 1: They're will linebacker. This Darius Leonard from South Carolina State
Speaker 1: is really good. He's Vanderesh's main competition Awards Y Award, Yeah,
Speaker 1: him Vanderesh. Uh. The guy Derwin James at the Los
Speaker 1: Angeles Chargers. Those guys are going to be in the
Speaker 1: running for the AFC Rookie of the Year Defensive Rookie
Speaker 1: of the Year because they're they're they're really good. Now
Speaker 1: they've got their secondary actually tackles pretty well. Malik Hooker
Speaker 1: was a guy that they got in the in the
Speaker 1: two thousand and seventeen draft. He was a first round pick. Uh.
Speaker 1: He was banged up a little bit last year, but
Speaker 1: this year playing very very well at Ohio State. He's
Speaker 1: got played with a lot of range, coverability, good tackler,
Speaker 1: so they are secondary tackles pretty well. When you watch
Speaker 1: them play over all, they kind of uh flip flop
Speaker 1: their their nickel players at times, so you got to
Speaker 1: be a little bit. Clayton Gathers uh sometimes will play
Speaker 1: in the slot. He's a safety that will sometimes play
Speaker 1: in the slot. And then they'll also take this Kenny Moore,
Speaker 1: this number twenty three. He's their primary nickel player. So
Speaker 1: we'll see they got him on waivers from New England.
Speaker 1: So we'll see how how they want to play Cole
Speaker 1: Beasley in this game, if it's going to be primarily
Speaker 1: Kenny Moore, or we see Clayton Gathers line up in
Speaker 1: the slot and play some as well. They got him
Speaker 1: listed as their starter. Yeah, corner, Yeah, so they move
Speaker 1: them inside movement inside, yeah, sure to So yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a it's a it's actually it's a it's a good
Speaker 1: it's a good defense. I mean, they do a good job.
Speaker 1: When you watch him play, it's you know, they've they've
Speaker 1: got a lot of young players. They've used a lot
Speaker 1: of draft picks, a lot of they have second round guys. Uh.
Speaker 1: This guy Toorey that they had, you know as a
Speaker 1: defensive end is as a good player. I'm bean a
Speaker 1: good rusher and they've used they've used some picks. New
Speaker 1: general manager there though, you know Ballard. Yeah, it came
Speaker 1: from Kansas City and so he's done. He's done a
Speaker 1: fine job of retooling this team. It was a team
Speaker 1: that I thought it was very talent poor. I know
Speaker 1: we played him the preseason. What year was that we
Speaker 1: played him, like two years ago? Was at sixteen that
Speaker 1: we played him in the preseason here. Yeah, they looked very,
Speaker 1: very suspect with their overall talent, but their team has
Speaker 1: improved greatly since then. Colts defense is forced at least
Speaker 1: one turnover in every game this season. Yeah. And if
Speaker 1: do you want to knock something offensively for the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: it's it's red zone offense overall, cashing in on your
Speaker 1: opportunities and Dak protecting the football. You know, he's lost
Speaker 1: I think six fumbles this season, and he did have
Speaker 1: two picks the other day, which he more than atoned
Speaker 1: for in the fourth quarter and overtime as well. One
Speaker 1: thing that was pointing when I said unique about the
Speaker 1: Colts offense, It was like watching the nineties Bills a
Speaker 1: little bit. In that last game with the tempo, they
Speaker 1: showed some no huddle, some of the Frank Reichs stuff
Speaker 1: that he knows to try to get them out of
Speaker 1: the rut they've been in. Right, So, I don't know
Speaker 1: how often they want to do that. When you do that,
Speaker 1: you can't change personnel groups and give Dallas different looks.
Speaker 1: But it's something maybe to be, you know, watchful for.
Speaker 1: If they feel like that, you're gonna substitute a lot
Speaker 1: of guys on and off in which the Cowboys like
Speaker 1: to do. They like to rotate their defensive line and
Speaker 1: they like to get those uh you know, generally the
Speaker 1: defensive backs will stay the same if you if they
Speaker 1: get you in nickel to start, they'll stay in nickel. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that won't be a problem for him right there. I
Speaker 1: think this is one of those games where everybody's gonna
Speaker 1: kind of overlook this team. Oh, it's Indianapolis, or you shouldn't.
Speaker 1: They shouldn't, they shouldn't know, just like everybody was overlooking Philadelphia, Tennessee.
Speaker 1: Oh it's only Philadelphia. You already beat them. Oh you
Speaker 1: barely beat them. Yeah, you know these things aren't easy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, these are the types of games though that
Speaker 1: again not a common opponent that you don't normally see,
Speaker 1: you're not familiar with. You're not familiar with them at all.
Speaker 1: And then so you can you know, you don't know
Speaker 1: how the game. Now you can be familiar with the coaches.
Speaker 1: You know, you could be familiar with Frank Reich and
Speaker 1: what you know he potentially could do at Philadelphia, but
Speaker 1: he did at Philadelphia, and you could you know, Matt
Speaker 1: Eberflus was you know, he's Mattilus was a guy you
Speaker 1: didn't want to lose, you know, but he went on,
Speaker 1: he went on, got an opportunity. But you know, when
Speaker 1: you watch the tape, you see a very similar plan
Speaker 1: of attack, and you know that that has to make
Speaker 1: you feel a little bit better. Okay, yeah, it's a
Speaker 1: it's a blue jersey and a white helmet, but it's
Speaker 1: you know, it's still that's the scheme we recognize, and
Speaker 1: I think that's something that has to give you. Usually
Speaker 1: you'll play these divisions, these excuse me, these other opponents
Speaker 1: you know in the AFC, and you have no idea.
Speaker 1: You don't see them enough to get a feel or
Speaker 1: how their coaches react to whatever whatever changes you make
Speaker 1: on the way. You know, but that's you know, this
Speaker 1: team is, this team has found a way to to
Speaker 1: kind of right itself, you know, playing on the road.
Speaker 1: That was something that was very that was a big concern,
Speaker 1: you know, before the team took off to Philadelphia. How
Speaker 1: is this team going to get better on the road?
Speaker 1: And you go beat Philadelphia, you go beat Atlanta, and hey,
Speaker 1: at the time, those teams were you know, those teams
Speaker 1: were playing for something. Yeah, and a right now is
Speaker 1: not nearly the team it was. But you've won some
Speaker 1: games on the road that you know that you thought
Speaker 1: you probably weren't gonna win. And you know, I think
Speaker 1: that's a I think that's a mark of you know,
Speaker 1: like I say, the head coach doing a nice job
Speaker 1: of keeping everybody on task what they need to do,
Speaker 1: no question about that. Eight eight five, five, two two
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Speaker 1: use that one. Oh yeah, they like, okay, here try
Speaker 1: this one. Now read it all right, Bill, read this one?
Speaker 1: And he oh, you know, and don't grab your your
Speaker 1: you know your boys? Is this PC? And and and
Speaker 1: then they're laughing, and then someone's laughing and then say yeah, no,
Speaker 1: that's good, that's good. Change the word to this, you know.
Speaker 1: And I mean, they sit around write copy would you,
Speaker 1: I mean used to, used to you've done that stuff?
Speaker 1: Having you. I was a copywriter in marketing for three
Speaker 1: years before I came back. Do you just cringe? Is
Speaker 1: that cringe worthy? Um? I mean I love the product.
Speaker 1: I love the product. But Tommy John folks didn't write this.
Speaker 1: I don't think I think you are folks. Oh really
Speaker 1: it was their folks, was it. Yeah, that's their whole
Speaker 1: marketing scheme. Well, and see their ads and that's their voice.
Speaker 1: The guys are sitting on the bench like pulling their
Speaker 1: you know we're talking about it, right, miss accomplished, No,
Speaker 1: miss accomplished, for sure, it's and I guarantee you yes,
Speaker 1: they are nitpicking over every word because that's what happens,
Speaker 1: because every word counts in terms of trying to sab
Speaker 1: somebody's attention. So like when Bill reads it and Frank
Speaker 1: wrote one there or Julie wrote one, that's just ridiculous
Speaker 1: that they are like, no, Julie, we can't go with that.
Speaker 1: Was probably a room of twelve people trying to figure out, yeah,
Speaker 1: can we use boys, Okay, it's stretch it. Here we go.
Speaker 1: I love it, I love it, and it is a
Speaker 1: great product. I'm wearing mine right now, Katy two. Yes,
Speaker 1: good job, Mick. So did they put out a red
Speaker 1: carpet for Amari Cooper when he walks out to practice
Speaker 1: today for NFC Offensive Player of the Week. Yes, second
Speaker 1: time he beat the quarterback out. Huh. Yeah, a quarterback
Speaker 1: deserves some kind of acknowledgement, didn't he aw? They're gonna say,
Speaker 1: because of the two interceptions, somebody had to throw them
Speaker 1: the ball. Yeah, somebody did. Quarterback deserved a nod? He does.
Speaker 1: He's been kind of getting kicked in them and the boys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he needs his Tommy Johns. Yeah. Because Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: people probably looked at the three turnovers and said, well,
Speaker 1: I mean, I've got tweets from fans that are like,
Speaker 1: oh great, great, glad that he had a great fourth
Speaker 1: quarter in overtime. Yeah, he should have been able just
Speaker 1: to hand off the whole fourth quarter if not for
Speaker 1: the turnovers. The way that they were dominating the game offensively.
Speaker 1: But he's not getting enough credit, Dak Prescott for what
Speaker 1: he's doing offensively. I do think, I do think Amari
Speaker 1: is a worthy winner. Though no catches on thirteen targets,
Speaker 1: I think absolutely. He was eight for eight the week
Speaker 1: before playing really well. Mick Anon makes the game winning catch.
Speaker 1: Nice tracking that ball, Yeah, that's tough. You know, ball
Speaker 1: gets knocked in the air. You're kind of looking around,
Speaker 1: you're trying to move. He was boop right there, grab
Speaker 1: it go. I'm not covered even when I'm covered. Yeah,
Speaker 1: gotta love it. He said that it was Russeul Douglas right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and coverage. He said that he was sitting on those
Speaker 1: routes inside all game long. Yeah, and he knew that
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna try to sell this fade. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I knew he wasn't gonna bite on it, and
Speaker 1: he didn't, and he almost made the play. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: was a good chess match there. But that just showed you, though,
Speaker 1: how really in bad You know, Douglas probably should have
Speaker 1: should have could have intercepted that ball, you know, but
Speaker 1: he was so he was so out of sorts. That's
Speaker 1: the thing that that Cooper does too as a cornerback,
Speaker 1: that he makes he put so much stress on you
Speaker 1: to have to deal with all his moves and the
Speaker 1: ability to catch the football even when you have him covered,
Speaker 1: the ability to finish. That's that's very stressful to have
Speaker 1: to play because you feel like you never get in
Speaker 1: a rhythm playing against a guy like that because you're
Speaker 1: not making any plays. He's making every single play. What
Speaker 1: did the Eagles do? I mean, they tried to put
Speaker 1: all They took two or three different guys just to
Speaker 1: try and put him in front of him, and it
Speaker 1: didn't work. Yep, you know, and that just showed you
Speaker 1: that that's just what this guy is. Well, that'll teach
Speaker 1: him to all out blow and play single man on
Speaker 1: four guys in the secondary. They took it, They took
Speaker 1: a chance. Yeah, do you think they had to take
Speaker 1: a chance, though, Mick, do you think that mean like
Speaker 1: they were down to where we've got to make a
Speaker 1: play or we're not going to get this ball back.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it was a heck. I understand
Speaker 1: what you're saying, but that Dallas took eight minutes and
Speaker 1: ten seconds off that clock. The only get ten minutes
Speaker 1: for the whole quarter. If I was Jim Schwartz, I hey,
Speaker 1: he took it. He took it gamble and he gambled
Speaker 1: and Zeke had a good pick up and Dak was
Speaker 1: able to see Bradham coming in his face. And once
Speaker 1: they once all that happened, then Amari Cooper was gonna win.
Speaker 1: But I don't blame him for blitzing at that situation
Speaker 1: because actually, if they hadn't blitzed, Yeah, then Hooper was
Speaker 1: gonna break wide open. Yeah, Dak had to throw the
Speaker 1: balls right then, he wanted why Douglas got his hand
Speaker 1: in there and he had he had a double move
Speaker 1: on him going and that second move he was gonna
Speaker 1: leave him behind. I just think that to me that
Speaker 1: you know, you're you're you're probably gonna lose the game anyway,
Speaker 1: you know, because if they get the first down right
Speaker 1: there and you just kick a field well you hope
Speaker 1: you kick a field goal after and you can train
Speaker 1: the clock and right, yeah, no, that's exactly right. You can.
Speaker 1: You can, you can take it all, but you can.
Speaker 1: You can have a drive that lasts for nine minutes
Speaker 1: and fifty seven seconds if you want. And they but
Speaker 1: you know what, I tell you what that's that was
Speaker 1: just that was that was a clinic. That was a clinic.
Speaker 1: The way to play the special to play the overtime
Speaker 1: period for the Cowboys, the way they drove the football,
Speaker 1: the way they mixed up their plays, the way they
Speaker 1: got it down to the very end and then but
Speaker 1: you know, get the game winner right there. That's still
Speaker 1: the downside of the overtime rule. I'm just if it was.
Speaker 1: I saw seven overtime game Mickey that I never want
Speaker 1: to see again. No, no, but and I don't want
Speaker 1: to see that. But I think lowering the time to
Speaker 1: ten minutes, one team can do basically what the Cowboys
Speaker 1: did and I don't never get a chance to get
Speaker 1: the ball back. Maybe something they revisit because of the
Speaker 1: short I hope they don't. Well, I hope they don't,
Speaker 1: but it does create more but what did they do
Speaker 1: it for player on the field, But it does create
Speaker 1: more kissing your sister scenarios where you got more ties
Speaker 1: and everybody kind of feels empty about it at the end.
Speaker 1: There's been more ties I'm sure this season than in Passion.
Speaker 1: Oh no, there's no question. But but also you got
Speaker 1: to look at the situation. Though Dallas had dominated that
Speaker 1: game offensively the entire time, you know, it really shouldn't
Speaker 1: have surprised us that they were able to you know,
Speaker 1: they had they had a couple of ten play drives,
Speaker 1: you know, six seven, eight minutes that that didn't result
Speaker 1: in touchdowns. So to me that that doesn't surprise me
Speaker 1: that Dallas took the ball and then and took it
Speaker 1: and kept it because they had they had really dominated
Speaker 1: Philadelphia throughout the game. That's Philadelphia's job. You get a stop.
Speaker 1: They couldn't get a stop. Did they not blitz on
Speaker 1: that final play of regulation to force overtime and Sackdack
Speaker 1: the final player regulation? Yes? Yes, yeah, I mean it
Speaker 1: was like they was after the bad snap or the
Speaker 1: low snap that that that killed us. I mean, that
Speaker 1: was that that rolled in it. See if they're probably
Speaker 1: gonna get a completion there and then kick the field
Speaker 1: goal to win it, right, that's probably what's gonna happen
Speaker 1: because Philadelphia really didn't have any answers for I mean,
Speaker 1: he's gonna hit Beasley, he's gonna hit he's gonna hit Cooper,
Speaker 1: he's gonna throw the ball to see, he's gonna hit
Speaker 1: somebody to get another five or six yards, and they're gonna,
Speaker 1: you know, then the Eagles's gonna try and use their
Speaker 1: time outs. And you know question that a fan sent
Speaker 1: into me the other day, and I know the answer,
Speaker 1: But because you go, if you kick a field goal
Speaker 1: first possession, the other team is supposed to get a shot,
Speaker 1: right if the Cowboys had kicked it with no time left,
Speaker 1: the game's over, though, we were Yeah, the game's over.
Speaker 1: Troy Aitman explained it that way, and I was thinking, Okay,
Speaker 1: do you get one untimed play. Do you get a
Speaker 1: chance to return the kickoff? Or okay, the kickoff goes
Speaker 1: in the end zone, it's a touchback, you don't return it.
Speaker 1: Do you get one untime play? I don't. I've never
Speaker 1: game's over. I think the game's over. It's over, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I thought. Yeah, but game's not supposed to
Speaker 1: end on a field goal in the first possession of overtime.
Speaker 1: But if there's no time left, yeah, that's my point
Speaker 1: on the time. Yeah. That that the reason they said
Speaker 1: player safety. They were worried about the length of the game,
Speaker 1: that the games were going longer and longer, and they
Speaker 1: weren't nice and sweet in their little three hours of
Speaker 1: the box. So the next game could start. I need
Speaker 1: to look at college football then, too, because that's a
Speaker 1: six hour marathon. Some of those that's ridiculous. Even something
Speaker 1: will be done, not not not about the seven overtime game.
Speaker 1: How many games have we seen it four four and
Speaker 1: a half hours. I love college football, but I trust
Speaker 1: me sitting to that seven overtime game. I would never
Speaker 1: wish that I've had kidney stones before. I would rather
Speaker 1: do kidney stones and have to sit through that thing. No,
Speaker 1: I shouldn't say that kidney stones one of those. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think we've all had kidney stones. That's that's a
Speaker 1: bad idea. That was a I mean in the college tried.
Speaker 1: Because now they they'll at the block, will start as
Speaker 1: soon as after the first down as the ball spotted.
Speaker 1: It's not like they need to get way of that,
Speaker 1: nap it they need to get rid of They're they're
Speaker 1: moving that up. Yeah, don't stop the clock. I'll move
Speaker 1: it up again and just keep it, you know, keep going,
Speaker 1: but keep it going. Yeah. Okay, since you brought up
Speaker 1: a Mari Cooper, Yes, since coming to Dallas in week nine,
Speaker 1: he leads the NFL in receiving yards six hundred and
Speaker 1: forty two or he catches and it's tied for the
Speaker 1: lead with six touchdown catches. Okay, better anything. You're gonna
Speaker 1: pick at twenty five right now, that would be the
Speaker 1: draft pick right right at the moment, right has this
Speaker 1: worked out better than you could have imagined. Right now, Mick, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, did you what were your expectations when I
Speaker 1: thought they I thought they hit a home run, but
Speaker 1: I wasn't sure on the first round pick. And then
Speaker 1: it's fair. Part of me was, Okay, why why are
Speaker 1: the Raiders doing this? They know something we don't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and evidently they didn't know what the hell they were doing. Sure,
Speaker 1: how do you trade that guy traded? We're sitting here going, oh,
Speaker 1: maybe they gave up too much for him, And now
Speaker 1: I'm thinking maybe they didn't give up enough for him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's funny. Some of the tweets afterwards are like, wow,
Speaker 1: you only give a first round pick for that guy?
Speaker 1: You know, kind of a thing because we've seen a
Speaker 1: history here in the past. You know, our administration gave
Speaker 1: up two first round picks for Joey Galloway, and then
Speaker 1: administration after me gave up first and thirst a third
Speaker 1: and a flopping a fifth. I believe something like that,
Speaker 1: or seventh or something like that. Yeah, I think that
Speaker 1: to me, this this this move, this move was brilliant
Speaker 1: on several different fronts. It was brilliant because the general
Speaker 1: manager staff realized that this divisions for the taking, and
Speaker 1: they went and got it, and they also realized that, hey,
Speaker 1: we have to help our coach, we have to help
Speaker 1: our quarterback more Portland, we have to help our defense.
Speaker 1: We have a championship type of a defense here. You know,
Speaker 1: we've got to try something. And the willingness say they
Speaker 1: could have set pat and just played it, played it
Speaker 1: out and likely ended up eight and eight or seven
Speaker 1: and nine or something like that, and the coach gets
Speaker 1: fired and everybody's disappointed, and you know, with why the
Speaker 1: season win. But you know, the general manager and you
Speaker 1: know the front office and the coaches, they made a
Speaker 1: decision at three and five to trade for this guy.
Speaker 1: That's huge. That is, That's what that's That's what you
Speaker 1: have to you know, if you're a fan, that's what
Speaker 1: you have to ask for. Don't don't give up. Don't
Speaker 1: give up the season. Don't give up the season on this.
Speaker 1: You know, if if if you still have moves to make,
Speaker 1: try and make moves, you know, and if it works out.
Speaker 1: You know, like Mickey said, there's plenty of people out
Speaker 1: there that had apprehension about giving up a one. It's
Speaker 1: looking good right now because this thing could you know,
Speaker 1: if the Cowboys keep winning and it ends up being Okay,
Speaker 1: it's the twenty seventh pick, you're hoping it's the thirty
Speaker 1: second pick. But but really, look, Luke, what's happened with
Speaker 1: the Raiders in the trade that they made their team?
Speaker 1: They fired their general manager, the coach is obviously taken over.
Speaker 1: And there are a situation with the picks that they
Speaker 1: got from Chicago and Dallas are going to be roughly
Speaker 1: the same spot at the end of the draft, and
Speaker 1: you were probably thinking that both those picks were going
Speaker 1: to be top ten picks. It was a unique situation
Speaker 1: where John Gruden clearly he wants his own guys. He does,
Speaker 1: and he's so much yeah, right, and regardless of Risano there,
Speaker 1: probably regardless of the talent that he traded away. I mean,
Speaker 1: Cleil Max arguably the best pass rusher in the league.
Speaker 1: He's up there. Yeah, he put Tank up there, he
Speaker 1: put some other guys up there. And there was some
Speaker 1: apprehension from fans too, because Amari Cooper's numbers had dropped
Speaker 1: the previous year and a half, right after making a
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl in his first two years, and there were
Speaker 1: other factors clearly involved with the raiders offense that contributed
Speaker 1: to that. Yeah, but this was a unique situation where
Speaker 1: a guy at this tow it probably should not be
Speaker 1: available via trade, and he was, and so it gave
Speaker 1: up what they felt like was adequate. I don't know that,
Speaker 1: or maybe I missed it what the genesis of the
Speaker 1: trade was. Did did Oakland just overtly put out a
Speaker 1: sales sign or did the Cowboys start calling around looking
Speaker 1: for a wide receiver? I could, I could very easily
Speaker 1: ask that question, and I can very easily get an answer,
Speaker 1: but I didn't want. I just wanted to let it.
Speaker 1: I know, right, it hasn't come out though, Yeah, it
Speaker 1: hasn't come out, and and I could very I think
Speaker 1: I think we can get an answer Mickey, of all
Speaker 1: of us that we you know, we live in this building. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just thought I had never thought of it before.
Speaker 1: I just thought of it right now. Yeah, And you know,
Speaker 1: and so does it does it mean that that does
Speaker 1: John Gruden? And we could find out does John Gruden
Speaker 1: tell Reggie Mackenzie start trading these guys? And I think
Speaker 1: I think we have to worry about a situation, not
Speaker 1: worry about, but maybe a situation that Oakland got into
Speaker 1: is before. Now they're in. They're in. They're in a
Speaker 1: lawsuit over their stadium. The Raiders don't have a lot
Speaker 1: of cash. They're they're they're pretty cash poor. They gotta
Speaker 1: get to Vegas. Yeah, they they You don't make these
Speaker 1: trades in Vegas. You make these trades when you're a
Speaker 1: team that's bottom of revenue. Stadium lease is a disaster.
Speaker 1: There's a questions, you know, and maybe Mark Davis told
Speaker 1: told Reggie and John, hey listen, I can't pay Khalil Man.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get to the bottom of that. Well, Khalil
Speaker 1: Max was different because yeah, he was holding out right
Speaker 1: exactly exactly. But this maybe they just saw the fourteen
Speaker 1: million and say we can't sewn next year. John and
Speaker 1: the ask John this question. Does John look at him
Speaker 1: Maurray Cooper? How quiet he is? Does he look at him?
Speaker 1: How the body language is Sometimes I'm not saying it's
Speaker 1: bad body language, but he's not. He's not Dez Bryant.
Speaker 1: I mean, we saw emotion after that game the other day.
Speaker 1: We saw it. You know, it's but what's what's generally
Speaker 1: been a Maury Cooper's demeanor, very very calm, serious, very serious,
Speaker 1: very quiet, Yeah, very quiet. And you know, John's one
Speaker 1: of these guys that loves being with John for as
Speaker 1: many years I had. John's a very loves passion, He
Speaker 1: loves the he loves he would he loves he would
Speaker 1: love a Dez Bryant. He would love a guy that
Speaker 1: he can go back and forth with. Keishaw, John Coach. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he likes a personality, you know. And Amari Cooper is
Speaker 1: a very best Mickey pointed out yesterday a book, smart
Speaker 1: book read, you know, very quiet to himself, kind of guy.
Speaker 1: We saw a motion the other day and maybe John
Speaker 1: Gruden didn't like what he was seeing from a Maury
Speaker 1: Cooper could be Yeah, everything. I don't know that for
Speaker 1: a fact. I'm just putting out there. But Jerry is
Speaker 1: spoken about the homework they did on him before the trade.
Speaker 1: They spoke to Nick Saban, they spoke to Jack del Rio,
Speaker 1: who pushed him in Oakland. Great young guy. Yeah, not
Speaker 1: a problem in the locker room. I diligent professional. All
Speaker 1: that has been unwide receiver. Yeah, and he's been that.
Speaker 1: I've I've said this last night on the Happy Hour.
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to twenty and nineteen when you've got
Speaker 1: a young Amory Cooper. You've got a young Noah Brown,
Speaker 1: You've got a young Michael Gallup. You've got a young
Speaker 1: Cedric Wilson that we forget about him. You know, They've
Speaker 1: got some a nucleus of a young group of wide receivers.
Speaker 1: And maybe now it won't be the committee anymore. Maybe
Speaker 1: it'll be some guys that are developing. We don't know
Speaker 1: what's going to happen with Cole Beasley. You'd like to
Speaker 1: think that he would be back in the mix, but
Speaker 1: you can't guarantee that, you know, maybe they have to
Speaker 1: go out and draft another guy to to get there,
Speaker 1: to get the nucas. But I like the young group
Speaker 1: that they have of young guys, of guys in their
Speaker 1: in their early twenties going forward. Right, Yeah, it's it's
Speaker 1: it's a lot of promise there. Yeah, and uh, and
Speaker 1: it's working out in the in the present short term
Speaker 1: as well. Right now. Also, all right, let's take our
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Speaker 1: No apologies, Like I got to listen to both of
Speaker 1: the reads during the hold that was Yeah, I'm sure.
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Speaker 1: actually not the Irene who used to call you. I'm
Speaker 1: I'm the hot Sauce leaving Irene from last year. Okay, okay, great,
Speaker 1: well thank you for calling. Yeah, yeah, the hot Sauce. Yes, absolutely,
Speaker 1: we appreciate that. Yeah, oh, hot sauce. Come on, Mickey,
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Speaker 1: there you go. Well, Brian, happy birthday and happy birthday
Speaker 1: today as well. Thank you. Um, so perfect segue from
Speaker 1: your last segment. I'm going to be the fan that
Speaker 1: admits that there they were completely wrong about Lamari Cooper. Okay,
Speaker 1: good for you. One of one of the things, because Brian,
Speaker 1: I remember when you were talking about the possibility of
Speaker 1: the trade. You were talking about how you heard some
Speaker 1: rumors that he didn't want to play football. That was true,
Speaker 1: and and I think after listening to what he said
Speaker 1: after the game, Yeah, that was even more evidence that
Speaker 1: that was true. So I think the new culture, new
Speaker 1: new team, New City has brought him life. And I
Speaker 1: was seeing on the field, but I was I was
Speaker 1: on record saying this is going to set the franchise
Speaker 1: back like half a decade. So happy to be wrong. Good.
Speaker 1: The other thing I wanted to say, Um, part of
Speaker 1: the reason I'm calling today is because you share a
Speaker 1: birthday with my father. So my father actually passed away
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, and I have to say
Speaker 1: you guys I had. It was like the worst summer
Speaker 1: of my life. I lost my cousin, my dad, and
Speaker 1: my grandmother. It was a struggle and all I did
Speaker 1: was listen to you guys just to kind of get
Speaker 1: through about maybe a year of just that darkness. So
Speaker 1: I wanted to say thank you to you guys for that. Um.
Speaker 1: I know it's entertainment, but sometimes it's just something you
Speaker 1: can cling to you too, and there's things you need
Speaker 1: to be distracted from. Well, thank you, stronger, Well, thank you, hey,
Speaker 1: thank you very much. Are you still there? You're still there.
Speaker 1: I'm still here. Yeah, tell us what you think? What
Speaker 1: give us? Give us how this thing is going to
Speaker 1: finish out? For this team? Oh man? So I you
Speaker 1: know Nate would be like, don't say but yeah, but
Speaker 1: yes I am. I am afraid of how it's going
Speaker 1: to turn out. But I will say the way the
Speaker 1: defense is playing, sure, there's I don't want to jinx it,
Speaker 1: but they're starting to remind me of the two thousand
Speaker 1: and seven Giants who knocked off are awesome team that year.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, there you go. I like it. I'm hoping
Speaker 1: to go all the way. I don't know about that
Speaker 1: we're at least gonna win one playoff game though, So okay,
Speaker 1: we'll see, we'll see how far we go. Not a
Speaker 1: bad start for a young team. Yeah, not a bad
Speaker 1: start at all. Thank you many much. Yeah, happy holidays,
Speaker 1: the kind word. Yeah, call us back anytime. That was
Speaker 1: a great call. Good, good call. Good. Um, that's a
Speaker 1: I hadn't thought about that comparison the Seven Giants, that
Speaker 1: was kind of a young team, is a team that
Speaker 1: got better as the season went along. Whe Their defense
Speaker 1: was really good. Yeah. Yeah, the pressure they were able
Speaker 1: to put on quarterbacks with their front for right, that's
Speaker 1: what they did to the Cowboys. Yeah, exactly was that
Speaker 1: front fourth? The Cowboys couldn't handle it. Yeah, And you've
Speaker 1: said this from the very beginning, that young football team,
Speaker 1: one of the youngest in the league, needed some time
Speaker 1: to for some young guys to grow up on the field,
Speaker 1: you know a little bit. But they also made a
Speaker 1: couple big changes that had they not made those changes,
Speaker 1: I don't know if they'd be in the position they're in.
Speaker 1: We just talked about. We spent a segment on Amari
Speaker 1: Cooper and this offensive line has regained their identity now
Speaker 1: the past protection they'll tell you it needs to improve, yes,
Speaker 1: but what they've done, especially in the running game with Zeke,
Speaker 1: it's more reminiscent of what they've done in recent years. Yeah, no, absolutely,
Speaker 1: and you know the defense grew. Look what you were doing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you basically had two first I mean, I know Jalen
Speaker 1: Smith played last year, right, he wasn't Jalen Smith? Correct?
Speaker 1: It's almost like a first year starter. And then vander
Speaker 1: Esch has to step in with Sean Lee. You have
Speaker 1: Antoine Woods starting a defensive tas maliek Collins in his
Speaker 1: third seat, only his third season, and he missed a
Speaker 1: lot of the first two with injuries. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1: And then you were throwing out on the outside. Okay,
Speaker 1: you had Crawford, but behind that it was Tacco who
Speaker 1: you know, how much did he played last year? You know?
Speaker 1: And behind that, oh Randy Gregory you remember him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when's the last time he played? Rolling the dice? There?
Speaker 1: Two years? Yeah? Pretty much? And then a rookie Armstrong.
Speaker 1: I mean it was it was awfully young, you know.
Speaker 1: And we said this the other day Byron Jones playing
Speaker 1: a different position, m Shitabewoozier. He started five games last year.
Speaker 1: That was it five games? Right? You know, Antoine Woods
Speaker 1: never started at safety, he was playing in the slot,
Speaker 1: and this is his second year. So there was a
Speaker 1: lot of moving parts with young guy eyes, you know,
Speaker 1: and you know, I know everybody looks at it going
Speaker 1: into the season and you know the quarterback and the
Speaker 1: running back, well they're salty veterans. Yeah, they played all
Speaker 1: of two years and the running back missed six games
Speaker 1: last year. So it was an awfully young team and
Speaker 1: with a basically almost other than the coordinator, is a
Speaker 1: new coaching staff. That's true. The thing you talk about
Speaker 1: the coach, you still have good segue from me there
Speaker 1: there Chris Rashard. I have to give Rod Marinelli a
Speaker 1: lot of credit, not just for the defense that they've
Speaker 1: kind of put together, you know, in his vision, but
Speaker 1: the unselfishness that he's shown to allow Chris Richard to
Speaker 1: flourish here. He could have very easily said, you know, no,
Speaker 1: you coach the defensive backs. I'm gonna you know, I'll
Speaker 1: do what I have to do. But he saw an oppertunity.
Speaker 1: The first I remember the first press conference, well, first
Speaker 1: meetings we had with him. He was just glowing about
Speaker 1: Chris Rashard. It was like the best acquisition. And you know,
Speaker 1: and sometimes guy say stuff and you go, ah, he's
Speaker 1: that's not sincere. But you know, Rod Marnelli, He Marnelli
Speaker 1: is not a bser. He's not that guy. If he
Speaker 1: tells you it's this, believe it's this, you know, and
Speaker 1: he's all along. He's he's come out and singing the
Speaker 1: praises of Christopher Shark and he's allowed him to flourish.
Speaker 1: And they allowed him to make the moves that he
Speaker 1: felt like he needed to make in the secondary. Think
Speaker 1: about that, though, you take and you got, you got
Speaker 1: Byron Jones started corner, but you also took Jordan Lewis
Speaker 1: out of the starting role as well, and you said, okay, well, no,
Speaker 1: we're gonna put Anthony Brown in this role and we're
Speaker 1: gonna make you know, And there was a lot of,
Speaker 1: like Mickey said, there's a lot of moving parts. And
Speaker 1: then you go out and somebody on the defensive staff
Speaker 1: evaluated Leyton vander esch and as along with the scouts,
Speaker 1: and somebody in the defensive staff evaluated Jalen Smith and said,
Speaker 1: you know what, yeah, let's take a shot there. If
Speaker 1: you guys feel good about this. Let's go. So you know,
Speaker 1: it's there's a lot of really things that are there
Speaker 1: that are coming up on this defense, especially that some
Speaker 1: really really good decisions that have been made. And that's
Speaker 1: why your defense is in the condition it is in
Speaker 1: now and playing as well as it is because some
Speaker 1: guys and made some really hard decisions, but there were
Speaker 1: the right decisions. Like I say, you go only find
Speaker 1: the human log to play. You know, one, you get
Speaker 1: a one technique starter off the street right that plays
Speaker 1: at the level that he does. You know, we we
Speaker 1: were talking about last night, unsung hero guys of the defense.
Speaker 1: Crawford's a guy. Human logs should be another one, you know,
Speaker 1: the way he's playing. Anthony Brown, Anthony Brown, Jeff Heath.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's guys that are just playing. Every time
Speaker 1: they're asked to do something, they're coming up with a
Speaker 1: player two. It might not be forty played, but they're
Speaker 1: coming up with four or five plays a game that
Speaker 1: are making the difference in the way this defense is
Speaker 1: why this defense has been consistent all year. That's the
Speaker 1: one thing that's been consistent about this football team. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and speaking to young guys, maybe on the offensive side
Speaker 1: of the ball. You've got a couple tight ends that
Speaker 1: are growing up on the field a little bit. Those
Speaker 1: guys that played, Yeah, that's that's Mickey's right about that,
Speaker 1: none of them. Yeah, Rico Schultz, Jarwin, Yeah, I've been
Speaker 1: waiting for Dalton Schultz to play like this. I really
Speaker 1: have it because you watch him at Stanford. He was
Speaker 1: a good player at Stanford. I mean you're starting to
Speaker 1: see like the blocking, the catching, they're running him and routes.
Speaker 1: You know, he's he's he's doing things. You're thinking, Ah,
Speaker 1: there he is, Yeah, there he is, you know, and hopefully,
Speaker 1: like Mickey said again that these guys and Garrett sitting
Speaker 1: the walk off, Hey, these guys are getting the play.
Speaker 1: That's you know, that's the great thing about it is
Speaker 1: you throw them out there, they get to play there
Speaker 1: having some success. Rico's blocking the right guy. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know that's that's Those are good things. Yep. Nate
Speaker 1: Newton's philosophy, you don't be judging guys until you play them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: how do you know what young guys can do? If
Speaker 1: you don't play him, you gotta play them, and if
Speaker 1: you're gonna make a mistake, make the mistake playing them
Speaker 1: not sitting them and then say, oh I need you now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean think about Jarwin what he did. Yeah,
Speaker 1: everybody was ready to give up on him. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden he gets a chance to play.
Speaker 1: He gets a chance to play. And suddenly, now when
Speaker 1: he catches the ball, it's not getting knocked out. When
Speaker 1: he catches the ball and takes two steps, somebody's not
Speaker 1: hitting him and causing a fumble. Right, He's turning and
Speaker 1: actually running with the ball like he knows what he's doing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, there's no how how ironic was it though,
Speaker 1: that he had a great guy, a breakout game for
Speaker 1: him against a team that tried to poach there then
Speaker 1: and they're probably sitting there, go see, we knew what
Speaker 1: we're doing. Well, they trap the Dallas Goddard's player either,
Speaker 1: but they might not have drafted they might not have
Speaker 1: drafted Dallas Goddard. Absolutely right, absolutely right, you know. And
Speaker 1: the thing about Mironelli, you know, he's such a he's
Speaker 1: a team guy. He learned that in the middle of
Speaker 1: the military. Right, there's no I think when he came here, oh,
Speaker 1: no question, he was just the defensive line coach, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: um Monnie was, you know, and he didn't want to
Speaker 1: overstep his bounds. He knew the chain of command. He
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna take over. And even when they kind of
Speaker 1: kind of move things around, he was like, yeah, but
Speaker 1: Monnie's still the defensive coordinating right, you know. They had
Speaker 1: to move him to what was it, defensive consultant or whatever.
Speaker 1: They kind of pushed him to the side beach duty.
Speaker 1: But yeah, but he didn't want to. He didn't want
Speaker 1: to step on his toes. Like, that's my guy. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna listen to him. You know, That's just that's
Speaker 1: that's he is. That's he's always been a chain of
Speaker 1: command guy. But he's a guy that understands leadership. He
Speaker 1: understands you know, accountability. You know, that's that's the thing.
Speaker 1: When you work with a guy like that, or see
Speaker 1: a guy work, that's that's things you take. That's a
Speaker 1: great thing about athletics. There's a lot of crummy things
Speaker 1: about this, but there's a lot of good things too.
Speaker 1: I don't think we talk about the good things enough,
Speaker 1: no question. Yeah, all right, as they get back to
Speaker 1: practice here in an hour or so. Outdoors by the way,
Speaker 1: outdoors here's your offensive line today. Is it gonna be
Speaker 1: they were setting it up, Yeah, flaming, flaming a left
Speaker 1: tackle probably right the practice, we're probably gonna get guard.
Speaker 1: I hope it instead of not Redman. Yeah, oh it
Speaker 1: might be. How about this, they want to give him
Speaker 1: a day? Well, what if it? Yeah, what if it's Williams? Well,
Speaker 1: I think you want to put you want to put? Uh,
Speaker 1: you'll probably put Williams on the right side. Okay. If yeah,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be. It's gonna be a preseason game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a preseason game. Yeah, lineup out there
Speaker 1: that Wednesday, No Wednesday. We always look out there where
Speaker 1: you go. Oh my, looks like the preseason lineup out
Speaker 1: there today? Jumbo Joe Connors. Yeah, and Connor Waves is
Speaker 1: gonna get right guard work, and then Collins he'll go
Speaker 1: out my guy, last man standing. He'll be the last
Speaker 1: man That's what happens in mid December, and that was
Speaker 1: all right. Let me ask you guys this. Did you
Speaker 1: get any did you take any Sean Lee this week? Limited? Okay?
Speaker 1: All right? Then Tavon Austin maybe limited? Okay, let me
Speaker 1: ask you this, Mickey, I kind of got to these
Speaker 1: guys last night. And I'm not trying to put you
Speaker 1: on the spot here at all. If it comes down
Speaker 1: to Tabon Austin getting active, do you and do you
Speaker 1: take Alan Hearns off the field? I mean because if
Speaker 1: they're using, if they're using which receivers in acts, yeah,
Speaker 1: if they use if they're using if they're using lance
Speaker 1: lnor on special teams along with Noah Brown, and they
Speaker 1: feel good about that because I mean, you think, oh,
Speaker 1: the switch would be take lance L Noor off. But
Speaker 1: if he's one of the guys that's help you win
Speaker 1: games as one of the forty six. Now he's also
Speaker 1: made some crazy plays as well, you know when you go,
Speaker 1: oh Lancel Noor. Yeah, I mean I don't think. But
Speaker 1: Noah Brown to me is active for special teams and
Speaker 1: he's getting more and more snaps. Yeah yeah, but do
Speaker 1: you do you do you consider? And I'm sorry, missus Hearns,
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to take your son off the field,
Speaker 1: but I'm just asking a question here now that worries
Speaker 1: me because of one of my front line of wide
Speaker 1: receivers gets hurt. Who Who's who's lining up outside? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean the thing is he can't play all positions.
Speaker 1: There's no questions. You're gonna have to You're gonna have
Speaker 1: to grab from somewhere else. So you're gonna dress like
Speaker 1: eight wide receivers. I mean, you're not gonna You're probably
Speaker 1: gonna go eight offensive linemen. Given the that you're a
Speaker 1: little banged up, you're assuming assuming Zach if Zach can play. See,
Speaker 1: this is where Tacco has got to influence somebody here
Speaker 1: because he's fighting for because he's fighting for forty six,
Speaker 1: I mean giving up on him, but we'll see if
Speaker 1: he fights. Yeah, he's gotta fight. He's gotta fight in here.
Speaker 1: He's got to, you know, find a way. I mean
Speaker 1: the safety spot. I mean, see when you start getting
Speaker 1: guys like Sean Lee back and okay, who's gonna sit?
Speaker 1: Somebody is gonna sit when Sean Lee comes back. Yep,
Speaker 1: because because Covington already sits. So who is March Lillard
Speaker 1: gonna sit? He plays special teams? Joe Thomas gonna sit?
Speaker 1: He plays special teams. We'll find out one of those
Speaker 1: special teams guys don't have to sit, which one? Well,
Speaker 1: one of those three? All right, we gotta go sit
Speaker 1: in on Jason Garrett's press conference here momentarily, carry'll answer
Speaker 1: that we'll carry live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. The
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