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Speaker 2: His son, Jeff Kirkchen Dad.

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Speaker 1: Back in the basement studio, you're hanging out the course

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Speaker 1: still up. You watched my daughter while I was at

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Speaker 2: Everything's fine. We had a bathroom accident that I changed

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Speaker 2: I'm sixty nine. Not the point.

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Speaker 1: You both are going through similar issues right with bladder.

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Speaker 1: You can't start to piece, you can't stop.

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Speaker 2: Sorry. And then we went to we went to Chick

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Speaker 2: and three tables away was a woman, older woman, not

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Speaker 2: said I love baseball, and maybe three people that's what

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Speaker 2: That's what the sweatshirt said. So look, I hope this

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Speaker 2: she waved at me. She looked right at me and

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Speaker 2: and she's wearing this baseball shirt. Well, as I found out,

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Speaker 2: that's one of those where you never ever assume anything.

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Speaker 2: The point is, there was a grown woman wearing a

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Speaker 1: That was kind of your My upbringing is you basically

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Speaker 1: had that tattooed on your head. I loved baseball and

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Speaker 1: maybe three people and as mom, Jeff and Kelly, which

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Speaker 1: was so perfect. It's so beautiful. No, Dad, I totally understand.

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Speaker 1: She was definitely waving at her kids, but it was adorable. Nonetheless,

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Speaker 1: would have made for a great story if she said

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Speaker 2: It didn't work out that way right over her head.

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Speaker 2: But she did mention something about my outfit that I'm

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Speaker 2: similar last week, and then blasted me for not knowing

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Speaker 2: that you look like Harrison's sword Hans Solo in So

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Speaker 2: who do I look like? With this? You're given Marty

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Speaker 2: McFly today Fly There we go right back to the future, right,

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Speaker 2: Ronald Reagan's a president. Who's the vice president? Jerry Lewis

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Speaker 2: very underrated movie.

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Speaker 1: I thought it was funny, way more than a cult classic,

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Speaker 2: I love what you decided to do with your best.

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Speaker 1: I asked you when you when you walked into our house,

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Speaker 2: And we should match?

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Speaker 1: And we used to pick up Mom and Kelly at

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Speaker 1: I think I'm a little bit beyond that at age

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Speaker 1: And today, Dad, we're going to get to baseball, of course,

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Speaker 1: because we're baseball you do. But it's the first day

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Speaker 2: And we love golf, Jeff, and we don't play much anymore.

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Speaker 2: And you're a pretty good player, and I used to

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Speaker 1: In fact, when people ask me, do you play much

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Speaker 2: All right, So, jeff last year we did the Kirchin

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Speaker 2: conundrum many times. We haven't used it this year, but

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Speaker 2: we're gonna pull it out. Okay, a question we asked

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Speaker 2: last year. Okay, Jeffrey Kirkchin twenty handicap. Let's say, Okay,

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Speaker 1: So I think it's important to explain the twenty handicap,

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Speaker 1: saying that we tee the ball up in the fairway.

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Speaker 1: That doesn't mean literally tee it up in the fairway.

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Speaker 1: What it means is you just kind of like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: You can roll the ball in the fairway during winter

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Speaker 1: And I only play with people who play that way.

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Speaker 1: Would you be able to keep a six stroke lead

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Speaker 2: It's a par four, Jeff, you have to think that

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Speaker 1: And this is the hardest course I've ever played clear

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Speaker 2: You are guaranteed to make a ten. You might go way.

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Speaker 2: And I'm not just talking about you, Jeff, I'm talking

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Speaker 2: We've done.

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Speaker 2: Forty points with two minutes to go? Answer, We're not

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Speaker 2: and those things are are not happening, Jeff. And by

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Speaker 2: most people don't even know the rules of golfer. Right,

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Speaker 2: What do you have, Dad? All right, Jeff Mason Miller

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Speaker 2: h yeah, Mason, oh, Mason Miller too. Professionals in one

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Speaker 2: Bo Jackson off the All college football team that play

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Speaker 2: Oh it's a pretty good one, I mean, non hammered

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Speaker 2: We've had a ton of injuries in the major leagues.

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Speaker 2: It's just Cad Horton of the Cubs is out for

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Speaker 2: Look at the entire Blue Jay pitching staff is injured

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Speaker 2: The point is, it's very easy to get hurt playing baseball,

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Speaker 2: That point is the Blue Jays are really struggling anyway.

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Speaker 2: players long term and lock them up some no one

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Speaker 2: can get him at least, you know, three four years

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Speaker 2: into free agency. Do you agree with all this?

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Speaker 1: Listen, I think the best part about signing young players

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Speaker 1: is it brings fans to the ballpark to buy jerseys,

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Speaker 1: to cheer on these teams, and especially for kids who

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Speaker 1: are using game changer right now as a little leaguer,

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Speaker 1: they get to think to themselves, Wow, this is nineteen.

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Speaker 1: I'm twelve, right, I could be at the show before

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Speaker 1: I know it if you work hard and you persevere

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Speaker 1: and you do what you got to do when you

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Speaker 1: listen to your coaches. But he's not the only young

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Speaker 1: player getting a big contract. This is kind of a

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Speaker 1: new trend, and this is the game changer. Are these

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Speaker 1: young guys big contracts?

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Speaker 2: Right? And you know, we just want to alert all

448
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Speaker 2: twelve year olds. Connor Griffin might be a generational player.

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Speaker 2: Most twelve year olds are not going to be in

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Speaker 2: the big leagues at nineteen. This happens once every thirty

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Speaker 2: years or so. It's not the point. The point is

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Speaker 2: it gives all of our young people hope that if

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Speaker 2: you play the game properly and you have the right

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Speaker 2: mindset and the right mentality, like Connor Griffin Dutch. That's

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Speaker 2: how you can get signed long term. I think it's

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Speaker 2: a very healthy thing for the Pirates, and I think

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Speaker 2: it's a very healthy thing for the game.

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Speaker 1: the quirk jins.

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Speaker 2: What do he got for us? Well, James Wood of

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Speaker 2: the Nationals is off to He's really been good this

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Speaker 2: week after a tricky start. So this surprised me a

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Speaker 2: little bit, I must say, Jeff, James Wood's first five

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Speaker 2: hits were extra base hits. That doesn't surprise me because

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Speaker 2: in this era we're looking for production and power and

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Speaker 2: slug as opposed to a soft single to left field.

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Speaker 2: His first five hits were extra base hits. I was

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Speaker 2: surprised that he had seventeen strikeouts before he hit a single.

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Speaker 2: That sounded like a lot to me. So I checked

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Speaker 2: with the Elias Lacall Frank, Yes, I did. And three

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Speaker 2: guys last year, three guys got to seventeen or more

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Speaker 2: strikeouts before they hit a single. I was a little

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Speaker 2: bit surprised by that, speaking again to the rise and strikeouts,

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Speaker 2: how hard it is to get a hit. You combine

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Speaker 2: those two. Alex Jackson and Lamont wayde Junior last year

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Speaker 2: both got to twenty strikeouts before they hit their first single,

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Speaker 2: and Jose Siri finished the season with two hits, no singles,

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Speaker 2: and seventeen strikeouts. So, hey, Siri, has this ever happened before? Oh?

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Speaker 1: Sorry, I actually activated my series be quiet, don't actually.

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Speaker 2: Do that, not to be confused with Pete Siri, who

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Speaker 2: we've told you a few times on the air. Right, Okay,

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Speaker 2: so the strikeout hit rate, it's it's not unusual, So

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Speaker 2: I stand corrected. I thought this would be a little

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Speaker 2: bit more rare than it was. But know what happened

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Speaker 2: three times?

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Speaker 1: You don't know if you don't ask, right, You got

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Speaker 1: to ask Frank from the Elias, And James.

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Speaker 2: Wood is going to be a great player, and he's

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Speaker 2: really starting to and he got a singles and he

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Speaker 2: hit a couple homers, really really good, big dude, right,

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Speaker 2: So cham I got a kick out of this. On

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Speaker 2: Easter Sunday, there were twelve saves. Now I'm not sure

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Speaker 2: why save on Easter Sunday means anything. But there were

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Speaker 2: twelve saves on Easter Sunday. So last year, on September seventh,

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, it was the only day last year

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Speaker 2: that there were twelve saves in one day. So we've

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Speaker 2: already matched the total number from all last year. And also,

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Speaker 2: and this was too late to get into our all

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Speaker 2: Easter team. But on the Sunday night game on Easter Sunday, Oh,

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Speaker 2: I have this one. I was going to throw it

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Speaker 2: to you. You knew this, Dhysius, Well, name it who

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Speaker 2: Emmanuel Dejesu's pitched against Ryan Church? Nathan Church. Nathan Church

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Speaker 2: who plays for the oh Cardinals. Oh, I didn't even Yes,

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Speaker 2: I didn't even pick that one up. You made it.

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Speaker 2: I screwed up the guy's name, and then I forgot

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Speaker 2: the team flu. You know what, I'm just gonna leave

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Speaker 2: the question stef You. I'll handle the quirtion hand you

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Speaker 2: handle what is the reference? I'll handle the ye Also,

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Speaker 2: I'll handle the funny stuff. What. No, No, that was

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Speaker 2: a good ye aside, right, No, I'll handle the I'll

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Speaker 2: handle the jokes.

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Speaker 1: No, we're gonna have to cut this. I'll handle the hey,

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Speaker 1: let me handle the what move you know what I'm talking.

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Speaker 2: I say this all the time. You, Jeff, I'll handle

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Speaker 2: the funny stuff. What is it from? It's me. I've

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Speaker 2: been into that. You're quoting yourself. Yes, I told you that.

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Speaker 2: Now we're gonna cut all of this. I sure hope, Okay,

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Speaker 2: all right. Last question, Jeff, is so this this was

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Speaker 2: not a big deal. But Ryan Feltner and Ryan Weiss

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Speaker 2: pictures for the Rockies and the Astros were the pictures

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Speaker 2: of record. Two guys named Ryan. One was a winning picture, yep,

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Speaker 2: one was a losing picture. And on the same day

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Speaker 2: Joe Ryan of the Twins guy to win and Ryan

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Speaker 2: Barrookie of the Giants, got a loss. So four guys

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Speaker 2: in one day, either first or last name Ryan got

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Speaker 2: a decision. And so Ryan is a very very popular name. Dozens,

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Speaker 2: and I mean I looked them all up. Dozens of

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Speaker 2: pitchers in Major League history have been named Ryan. But

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Speaker 2: the first one that I could find was Ryan Kurasaki

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Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy five, and then there was a little

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Speaker 2: gap there. Now there are dozens, so many dozens of

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Speaker 2: guys named Ryan, but the first Ryan ever to pitch

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Speaker 2: in the Major leagues was nineteen seventy five and he

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Speaker 2: only pitched like one year and that was it. The

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Speaker 2: point is names really really change, you know, and Ryan

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Speaker 2: is one of these names that has been really popular

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Speaker 2: for like the last twenty five years.

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Speaker 1: Well, and you also remember on our street growing up,

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Speaker 1: we had A Ryan Briggs and O Ryan Bridgings, right,

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Speaker 1: almost the same last name at that point, right, same lettering.

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Speaker 1: I have a pitcher matchup. Yeah, this is for today's

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Speaker 1: matchup between the Athletics and Theankees. Are you familiar with

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Speaker 1: springs and Weathers? Spring Weather, springs weather?

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Speaker 2: Got it, Jeff, Jeff, I got it. I got a stretch. No,

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Speaker 2: I've done a stretch. No, I have done the All

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Speaker 2: Weather team multiple times. And that's pretty darn good. Springs

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Speaker 2: and Weathers, that's very good. I don't have much else onset.

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Speaker 2: I've already bombed on my one other quirk. Yeah, that

552
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 2: was really bad. Nathan Tree. Maybe maybe the car double

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Speaker 2: plays out? Yes, okay, all right, what movie is that?

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Speaker 2: What Champ? Champ maybe sit in the next couple of

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Speaker 2: plays out? Anchorman? Oh? Look again, another funny movie. But

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Speaker 2: I don't know every line to that, like you. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I spent way too much time watching that movie, right,

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Speaker 2: I like lamp Okay, here we go. What do you

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Speaker 2: have dad on this state in baseball history. So in

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Speaker 2: nineteen ninety three, Bo Jackson hit a home run in

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Speaker 2: his first game back after getting an artificial hip. And

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Speaker 2: I think we mentioned my stupid artificial right hip multiple.

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Speaker 1: Times, called stupid it changed your life. Well, I'm not

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Speaker 1: trying to be funny, right.

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Speaker 2: I can still run, I can still move, I can

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Speaker 2: still do a few things. I just don't want to

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Speaker 2: re injure this as I try to chase four and

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Speaker 2: soon to be five grandchildren around. But the point is

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Speaker 2: Bo Jackson, you know, hip replacements weren't done all that

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Speaker 2: often in nineteen ninety three, and Bo Jackson being Bo Jackson,

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Speaker 2: maybe the greatest athlete ever to play in the Big

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Speaker 2: leagues and maybe the strongest mad who's ever played the game,

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Speaker 2: he came back and hit a home run to right

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Speaker 2: field for the White Sox in his first game back

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Speaker 2: from an artificial hip. And you know, we tell Bo

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Speaker 2: Jackson stories all the time, and I'm going to tell

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Speaker 2: this one again. He shoots a boat used to shoot

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Speaker 2: a bow and arrow, so he brings his bow and

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Speaker 2: arrow into the clubhouse one day with the Royals. All right,

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Speaker 2: and all the players are liked intrigued that this is

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Speaker 2: bow shooting a bow and arrow. So Mike McFarland, who

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Speaker 2: I worked with the ESPN and knew very well as

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Speaker 2: a player, told me that no one on the team

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Speaker 2: was strong enough to pull the string back lot, you know,

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Speaker 2: like load it and then shoot the arrow. No one

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Speaker 2: was even strong enough to These are major league players

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Speaker 2: who are unbelievably strong in their wrists and in their hands,

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Speaker 2: and they couldn't even pull it back. Mike McFarlane told

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Speaker 2: me he put the bow on the ground and using

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Speaker 2: his foot try to pull it up with his hands

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Speaker 2: and was incapable of doing it. And Michael Farland is

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Speaker 2: a strong man, and he said when bo Jackson pulled

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Speaker 2: back the string to shoot the bow and arrow, it

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Speaker 2: was like he was pulling back the strings of a harp.

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Speaker 2: That's how strong bo Jackson was.

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Speaker 1: So it sounds like this was just a bow and arrow, right.

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Speaker 1: He was the only one that could use that bow.

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Speaker 2: Bow. Bow's bow. Very good. Leave the w out, okay, Jeff.

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Speaker 2: On this date in nineteen forty five, Peter Gammons was

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Speaker 2: for me Peter Gammons is the greatest baseball writer of

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Speaker 2: all time. I know. He taught me so many things

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Speaker 2: about how to cover the game, how to be a

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Speaker 2: beat writer. He essentially invented how you write a game story.

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Speaker 2: The Sunday Notes column that he did, everyone followed it,

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Speaker 2: including me, and he was so generous with his time

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Speaker 2: and his information. I will never ever forget how great

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Speaker 2: Peter Gammons was. You know, he had a brain aneurysm

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Speaker 2: close to twenty years ago. He nearly died. I wrote

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Speaker 2: his obituary that night because they called me from ESPN

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Speaker 2: and said he might not make it through the night,

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Speaker 2: and of course he did. It was maybe fifteen years ago.

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Speaker 2: So but that's Peter for you. So I'll never forget.

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Speaker 2: I was a beat writer for the Rangers and his

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Speaker 2: mid eighties, and I knew they were making a trade.

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Speaker 2: I just couldn't. I'm the beat writer. I'm covering the

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Speaker 2: team every day. So I called Peter and I said, Peter, God,

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Speaker 2: I can't figure this out. I know my team is

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Speaker 2: making a trade today, but I can't figure out who

619
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Speaker 2: it is. And the beat writer for the Baltimore for

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Speaker 2: the Boston Red Sox Peter Gammon said, oh, you guys

621
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Speaker 2: are getting Cliff Johnson later today. And later that day

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Speaker 2: the Rangers got Cliff Johnson from the Blue Jays. And

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Speaker 2: I said, Peter, not even his team. So years ago, Jeff,

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Speaker 2: I went to the Braves clubhouse in spring training and

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Speaker 2: I go to the guard gate to get into the

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Speaker 2: clubhouse and there's an older guy there and he sees

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Speaker 2: me coming in. I pull out my spring training paths

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Speaker 2: and he looks at me and he goes, Oh, you

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Speaker 2: don't need to show me this. He says, I've been

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Speaker 2: watching you and I've been reading you for forty years.

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Speaker 2: I know who you are. You don't have to show

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Speaker 2: me that. It's great to see you again, Peter. So

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Speaker 2: he thought I was Peter Gabbons. And that is the

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00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 2: greatest conrad. I was gonna say. The greatest compliment anyone

635
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 2: could pay to me is that he mistook he mistaken me.

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00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 2: He mistook me for Peter Gammons. That's how great Peter

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Speaker 2: is was and still is. What else on the state

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00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 2: all right? On this date in two thousand and one,

639
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 2: Willie Stargell died. Willie Stargell was a Hall of Fame player.

640
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 2: More important, he was the absolute we are Family team

641
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 2: captain when the Pirates won the World Series. He won

642
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 2: him twice with the Pirates and nineteen seventy nine he

643
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 2: was co MVP of the League and the absolute heart

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Speaker 2: and soul, one of the kindest, funniest, gentlest big men

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Speaker 2: I've ever met in my entire life. And the day

646
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 2: he died, I'll never forget this. I was I took

647
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 2: a cab to go to PNC Park in Pittsburgh and

648
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 2: it just opened, So this is my first trip there.

649
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 2: And it's like seven o'clock in the morning, and I

650
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 2: get out of the cab to go cover the game,

651
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 2: and we hear that Willy Stargell died. I mean the

652
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 2: day you're there, I just got to the stadium. It

653
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 2: like put a damper on the rest of the day.

654
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 2: That's how important Willie Stargel was to the game. And

655
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 2: he was also hilariously funny. When I asked once about

656
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 2: uh trying to hit Sandy Kofax, he said it was trying.

657
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 2: It was like trying to drink coffee with a fork.

658
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 2: That's how we call them, which kind of sums up

659
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 2: how great Sandy Kofax was and how funny Willy stargu was,

660
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 2: So the team tim this week is a tribute to

661
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:22,399
Speaker 2: Willie Stargel because we've been over Jeff last year when

662
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 2: we did from Ozzie to Oral the greatest players of

663
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 2: all time from one to fifty five, and Willy Stargell

664
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 2: wasn't the greatest number eight, it was hard to leave

665
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 2: them off. But I came up with the all team

666
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 2: of players that wore number eight.

667
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: And this is going to prove to show that this

668
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: is one of the toughest numbers out there to pick something,

669
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: maybe the toughest, and we're going to leave this up

670
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: to our viewers and our listeners, and we have some

671
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: really clever people. But all right, so our catchers, we

672
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 1: have three Hall of Fame catchers that war number eight,

673
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 1: Yogi Berra, Bill Dickey and Gary Carter. So we start

674
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 1: off with three Hall of famers behind the plate. I mean,

675
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: and I mean not all three of them can catch

676
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 1: at the same time. But when you talk about championships,

677
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 1: you got to go with Jogi Beart.

678
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 2: Yeah I would, but that legacy. We went into the

679
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 2: greatest number eight last year. It'll anger people, so whatever.

680
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 2: So Willie Stargell of course could play the outfield or

681
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 2: first base. For the sake of this team, Tim, we're

682
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,280
Speaker 2: using him at first base. Hall of Famer Joe Morgan

683
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 2: again in the running for the greatest number eight of

684
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 2: all time. Gary Gayetti is the third baseman. Gary Addy

685
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 2: was a very underrated player, very good for the Twins,

686
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 2: played on championship teams. Cal Ripkin, of course, is the shortstop.

687
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 2: Also in the conversation greatest number eight, Karl Yastremsky in

688
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:42,839
Speaker 2: left field. You know in the conversation, Andre Dawson also

689
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 2: wore number ten, but he wore number eight for eight

690
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:50,359
Speaker 2: years of his career. And Albert Bell, first guy ever

691
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 2: hit fifty homers and fifty doubles in the season, he

692
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 2: wore number eight. And you know, it's hard to find

693
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 2: a pitcher Jeff who wore number eight. Eight such so

694
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 2: Mike Leak, I remember Leak war number eight. So I

695
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 2: actually have a pitcher on this team. And I have

696
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 2: eight Hall of famers that wore number eight, and I

697
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 2: looked up I just went back to number five, let's say,

698
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 2: because that's another one that we've debated last year. Hardest number.

699
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 2: There are eight number fives that made it to the

700
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame. If someone could find more, I didn't

701
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 2: take the time to look for that. Let's just say,

702
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 2: as a tribute to Willie Stargel, the team Tim is

703
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:30,399
Speaker 2: the greatest players ever at each position who wore number eight.

704
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 1: Wow, that's such a team, Tim, and such a list.

705
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: All right, Dad, Well let's jump into our alphabet. So

706
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: you mentioned from AZI to or one to fifty five,

707
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 1: but this season we're doing alphabet A through Z, best

708
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 1: hitter and best pitcher at.

709
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 2: Each letter of the alphabet. So we're onto C now.

710
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,240
Speaker 2: So to recap, we had Hank Aaron and Grover Cleveland

711
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 2: Alexander at A. We had Barry Bond purply eleven at B.

712
00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 2: And see our hitter is Ty Cobb, who, as much

713
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,879
Speaker 2: as I love ROBERTA. CLEMENTI, I had to take Ty

714
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 2: Cobb here. You know he had four thy one and

715
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 2: eighty nine hits, career batting average of three sixty six,

716
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 2: jeff nine forty four ops, and stole eight hundred and

717
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 2: ninety seven base and that Jeff I get in so

718
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 2: much trouble for this. But if we give Ty Cobb

719
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 2: six months to figure out how to get a hit

720
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 2: in today's game and how to play in today's game.

721
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 2: He plays every day for any team in the major

722
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 2: leagues period, and he played well over one hundred years ago.

723
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 2: I really believe that. You know, he's not my size, Jeff,

724
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 2: not your size. Weight on, we will a killer, right

725
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 2: he weighed. Of course, he weighed one hundred and ninety

726
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 2: pounds in his prime, and he could fly. So in

727
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 2: nineteen twenty five he got really angry that some of

728
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,320
Speaker 2: the writers said, oh, cob all you do is hit singles.

729
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 2: You couldn't hit for power. So he said, you guys

730
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 2: want to see me hit for power. So on May fifth,

731
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 2: nineteen twenty five, he went six for six, hit three

732
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 2: home runs in one game, had sixteen total bases, and

733
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 2: then the next day hit two more homers and just

734
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 2: looked at everyone and said, look, I can do whatever

735
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 2: I want out here. I just choose not to hit

736
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 2: home runs every time. I'm a better player when I

737
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 2: put the ball in play and steal a base.

738
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: And then after that performance he went on his Twitter

739
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 1: account and wrote how you like them apples to all

740
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: the writers one of the first time, all.

741
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 2: Right, c is very difficult because we're running into the

742
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 2: same thing as we ran in with Barry Bonds at

743
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 2: the b's all right, my CEE is Roger Clemens. Now, look,

744
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 2: we can't ignore everything else that we know about Roger Clemens.

745
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 2: But he won seven Cy Young Awards, and it's hard

746
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 2: to choose him over Steve Carlton. But I did it anyway,

747
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 2: and it wasn't easy. Jeff. You can say what you

748
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 2: want about Roger Clemens, but his work ethic really was

749
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 2: second to none. I'll never forget covering a game that

750
00:38:56,000 --> 00:39:00,040
Speaker 2: he pitched at Yankee Stadium. And the next morning I

751
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 2: go into the lobby of the hotel at seven o'clock

752
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 2: in the morning, and Edward Bennett Williams, who used to

753
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,839
Speaker 2: own the Orioles or own the Orioles at the time,

754
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 2: high powered lawyer, not easily impressed, just looked at me

755
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 2: and said, I just saw Roger Clemens down here. He

756
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,839
Speaker 2: was going out to run the streets of Manhattan at

757
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 2: seven o'clock in the morning, now having pitched the night before.

758
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 2: So and I told you, Jeff that, you know, the

759
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 2: Yankees used to work out a regular you know, they

760
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 2: would have to get to the ballpark at seven o'clock

761
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 2: every morning for spring training, but on Sundays they didn't

762
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 2: have to get there till like eleven. Well I didn't

763
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 2: know that. So I show up really early, seven o'clock

764
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:42,359
Speaker 2: in the morning and Roger Clemens and the trainer are

765
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,240
Speaker 2: in the parking lot throwing a football in full uniform

766
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 2: seven o'clock in the morning on a day where they

767
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:51,280
Speaker 2: don't have to report until eleven o'clock in the morning.

768
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 2: So it just shows it the.

769
00:39:53,120 --> 00:40:03,839
Speaker 1: Work ethic hays to be up early, right, absolutely, all right,

770
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 1: my turn, dad, Wheel of Kirkshon.

771
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:07,359
Speaker 2: Here we go.

772
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 1: So we took some suggestions on social media, so people

773
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 1: wanted to weigh in on what should be on the

774
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: Wheel of Kirkshon. You can always weigh in a great

775
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 1: game or what dot com, or you can also just

776
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 1: dm us at great game or what that means direct

777
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 1: message And that was for you, Dad, and you got

778
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 1: you and so let's spin the wheel. So these are

779
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 1: your suggestions. Let's see how we do it. We deleted

780
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 1: or erased last weeks that we talked about. Here we go,

781
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:35,919
Speaker 1: all right, First one is.

782
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 2: What have we got sackflies? Oh my god, where's the book? Right?

783
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, I'm fascinated by sacriflies.

784
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 2: Look at this.

785
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 1: He named an entire book off of sackflies. I'm Fascinated

786
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:52,839
Speaker 1: by Sacrifice Flies by Tim Kirkshin, available now it's your

787
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:54,359
Speaker 1: local bookstore on Amazon dot com.

788
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 2: Jeff so I wrote an entire chapter on how interesting

789
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 2: sacrifice flies are. But let's just be let's just give

790
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 2: me one. I'll give you one story where this all

791
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 2: started from. Okay, Carlos Lee was playing for the Astros

792
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 2: and he had like twelve sacrifice flies at the All

793
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 2: Star break. Okay, that normally leads the major leagues for

794
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 2: a season in sacrifice flies. So the interesting part is

795
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:24,280
Speaker 2: that Gil Hodges. The first year that sacrifice flies became

796
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 2: official was nineteen fifty five, and he hit nineteen that year,

797
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 2: and it remains the record for most sacrifice flies in

798
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 2: one season. And he did it the first year that

799
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:42,800
Speaker 2: sacrifice flies were became an official statistic. So on Baseball

800
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 2: Tonight one night, we were talking about Carlos Lee, and

801
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 2: I explained this whole thing about Gil Hodges, and I said,

802
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:53,800
Speaker 2: Carlos Lee has a chance to break Gil Hodges' record.

803
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 2: I'm fascinated by sacrifice Flies, to which Steve Berthune, who

804
00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 2: was the host of the show at Oral Herscheizer sit

805
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 2: right next to look at me and goes sack, you're

806
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 2: fascinated by sacrifice flies? What is wrong with you? So

807
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 2: I tried to explain it, and then I wrote a

808
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 2: whole story about all the intricacies of sacrifice flies, how

809
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 2: many great stats there are about it, and I stand

810
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,839
Speaker 2: by it. I'm fascinated by sacrifice flies. But the kicker

811
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 2: of the whole thing is that Carlos Lee had twelve

812
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 2: sacrifice flies at the All Star break and did not

813
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 2: have another sacrifice fly the second half of the season.

814
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 2: I mean, these are these are the things that happen

815
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 2: all the time. So that sacrifice flies someone asked to

816
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 2: talk about them. That's just one of one hundred stories

817
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 2: I could tell you about that. All Right, here we go,

818
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 2: next wheel of Kirkshin we're spinning. What does it say?

819
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:53,800
Speaker 1: It says, uh, bros brothers in Major League Baseball.

820
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 2: I shortened brothers to broughs. Yeah, I think when you're

821
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 2: talking about brothers in the big leagues. You know the

822
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 2: story I told last week about the Uptons asking me

823
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:08,479
Speaker 2: what shoe size A were. That's probably the dumbest brother

824
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 2: question ever, dumb for me because I'm such dope. I

825
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 2: think when you talk about brothers, you have to go

826
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 2: with the Alu brothers, who all played on the San

827
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 2: Francisco Giants at the same time. They never actually started

828
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 2: a game together in all three outfield positions, but they

829
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 2: did appear in one game in the outfield after defensive replacements.

830
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 2: Jesus Maddie and Felipe Alou were in the Giants outfield

831
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 2: at the same time, and because of the way the

832
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 2: batting order was set up, they were hitting one, two,

833
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 2: not they were hitting consecutively in the order. So the

834
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 2: Allu brothers are just amazing.

835
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 1: Now, if one were to replace the other, and I

836
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 1: were the play by play guy, I would say.

837
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 2: In lieu of Alu, here's Alu, all right, next one,

838
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 2: not bad, Joe, thank you, last one. Here we go.

839
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 2: We'll have kirkshaon. What do we got, Dad? What does

840
00:43:59,000 --> 00:43:59,359
Speaker 2: it say?

841
00:43:59,600 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 1: Uh?

842
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 2: Teddy ballgames, Teddy ballgame? Tell us a Teddy ballgame story. Yeah,

843
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 2: there are a million of them. I'm just gonna tell

844
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 2: you about And I've told this one before, but it

845
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 2: bears repeating. He was at Old Timers' Day in nineteen

846
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 2: eighty two and I'm covering the Rangers and Bobby door,

847
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 2: and all these Hall of Famers are out on the

848
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 2: field taking battie practice, and out of the dugout comes

849
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 2: Ted Williams. And I'm like tingling because here's my father's

850
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 2: baseball hero when he was a child, and now he's

851
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 2: five feet away from me. And he gets into the cage,

852
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 2: takes off his jackets because he'd gotten a little heavy

853
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 2: because he's in his sixties, and he digs in just

854
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,760
Speaker 2: like it was nineteen forty one. His setup, his approach,

855
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 2: his stance was exactly like my father had told me,

856
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:52,320
Speaker 2: and exactly like I saw it on all those films

857
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 2: all those years. First pitch comes in and he hits

858
00:44:56,480 --> 00:45:00,359
Speaker 2: a one hopper into the bullpen in right center field,

859
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 2: which would have been in automatic double right, which the

860
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 2: first pitch he sees he hits an automatic double. He

861
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 2: hits a laser shot that bounces once and bounces over

862
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 2: the fence in right center field. And I'm ten feet

863
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 2: away from this, So I am so excited that I

864
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,439
Speaker 2: just watched. I ran up to the press box when

865
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 2: batting practice was over, and I called your grandfather. I

866
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 2: called my dad, I said, Pop, I just saw Ted

867
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 2: Williams it from ten feet away. It's exactly like you

868
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:35,760
Speaker 2: told me it was. It was absolutely breathtaking. So Ted Williams,

869
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 2: there are a million stories. I have a lot of them,

870
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 2: but that's my favorite one just because I was there

871
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 2: for that.

872
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's absolutely incredible. And somebody else I'll tie this

873
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 1: one in too, Dad, And you've mentioned this before on

874
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 1: the podcast, but somebody else wrote in similar to Teddy ballgame,

875
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: just how good would Ted Williams have been? Granted legendary already,

876
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 1: but how much better would his numbers have been had

877
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 1: he not served in the war and left for those

878
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:03,359
Speaker 1: couple of years.

879
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,359
Speaker 2: He would have had seven hundred homers and he would

880
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 2: have retired as the all time RBI king. So let's

881
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 2: not forget four and a half years. The military service

882
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 2: cost Ted Williams a lot. And he's still for me

883
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:18,720
Speaker 2: after Babe Ruth, the greatest hitter of all.

884
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 1: And isn't it the most fitting, most beautiful thing that

885
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 1: the greatest hitter, arguably one of the greatest hitters of

886
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: all time, right, was a pilot, which the number one

887
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 1: requirement of being a good pilot is having good eyesight, right, Like,

888
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 1: people get disqualified immediately if you don't have like twenty

889
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 1: twenty or even I don't even know what's better. They

890
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 1: don't go to the eye doctor, but you need to

891
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 1: have excellent vision, even if you're if you have two

892
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: light of eyes, they say you gotta go because your

893
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 1: eye is not gonna respond. And Jerry Coleman, former Major

894
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 1: League player, played for the Yankees, served with Ted Williams,

895
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 1: and Jerry Coleman told me once he's the greatest fire

896
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:53,479
Speaker 1: fighter pilot I've ever seen.

897
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 2: How about that? So he's arguably the greatest hitter ever

898
00:46:56,719 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 2: and he's the greatest fighter pilot that Jerry Coleman and

899
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 2: has ever seen serving our country. Pretty cool? All right, Dad?

900
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 1: Three cards in the bathroom to wrap it up? Which

901
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 1: cards did you find for us this week?

902
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 2: What do you got? All right? Sandy al Contra is

903
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 2: the first one, of course. He pitches for the Marlins

904
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 2: through yesterday at a zero point seven to four ERA,

905
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 2: and he just had a streak of thirty consecutive innings

906
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 2: without allowing an earned run that ended going back to

907
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:30,280
Speaker 2: last year. And in his first three starts, he pitched

908
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 2: twenty four innings and didn't allow more than two earned

909
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 2: runs in any of them. The last guy to do

910
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:37,839
Speaker 2: That was Kurt Chilling in nineteen ninety eight. So he's

911
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 2: not just showing how good he is, but how durable

912
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 2: he is to be coming out of the box in

913
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 2: your first three starts and pitch twenty four innings. People

914
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 2: just don't do that anymore. So Sandy al Contra really

915
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 2: really good pitcher, and he's had injury issues. It looks

916
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 2: like he's back and he's really really good. So number

917
00:47:55,880 --> 00:48:00,439
Speaker 2: two is Mark Gruslanic. I pronounced that for you, Jeff,

918
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 2: because I know that you and I struggle mightily right now.

919
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 2: He was a great athlete. He was a really good hitter.

920
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 2: He was a really good second baseman. He had these

921
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 2: bow legs and pigeon toed And I want to ask him,

922
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 2: did you play basketball a lot? He goes, yeah, I

923
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 2: played a lot. But one of the guys he played

924
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 2: a lot with in college and other places was Tim Hardaway.

925
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 2: Tim Hardaway, of course, until Alan Iverson came along, had

926
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 2: the greatest crossover dribble of anyone in the history of

927
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 2: the sport. But Mark Rouslanik said, when I played with

928
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:35,320
Speaker 2: Tim Hardaway, it was like, I have no shot against

929
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 2: this guy. Just proving again, Jeff, the different levels of play.

930
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 2: You can be a great college player and then you

931
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:45,760
Speaker 2: run into Tim Hardaway who was a great NBA player,

932
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 2: and it's a slightly different level. But just to show

933
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 2: you how crazy people are there, used to be the

934
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 2: late David Vincent used to be what we called he

935
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 2: was the home run champion, Like he wrote a book

936
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 2: about home runs. He was like the the guru on

937
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 2: home runs. So Jason Stark, our dear friend, asked him

938
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 2: to once look up the because Gruzalanic and Andy Stankowitz

939
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 2: hit back to back homers. This is a long time ago,

940
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:14,720
Speaker 2: this is twenty five years ago or so, and David

941
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 2: Vincent looked up that it's the most combined letters twenty

942
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:22,799
Speaker 2: three by any two players to hit back to back

943
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 2: homers in Major league history, just slightly more than Carla

944
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:32,799
Speaker 2: Streemsky and Tony Kannigliano. Andy Stankowitz and Mark Gruzlanic. Love

945
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 2: it so beautiful.

946
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 1: Well, as Dad mentioned next week on the podcast, we

947
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 1: have the incredible. Oh we have one more card. I'm sorry,

948
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:42,720
Speaker 1: it's three cards in the bathroom, Jeff, not two cards, okay.

949
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 1: Weiss our final one of three cards.

950
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 2: Walt Weiss, he was a shortstop on a championship caliber team,

951
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 2: well championship team for the Oakland A's went to North Carolina,

952
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 2: really good player and managed for the Rockies years ago,

953
00:49:57,640 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 2: never had a chance because the team was so bad

954
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 2: his fall, and now he's the manager of the Braves

955
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 2: and he's doing great so far. He's got a really

956
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 2: good bullpen. And we saw a fight, Jeff on Tuesday night.

957
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:10,880
Speaker 2: I don't know if you saw, but Jorge Solaire, who's

958
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 2: bigger than you and me combined, get gets in a

959
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 2: fight with Rinaldo Lopez. And who is right in the

960
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 2: middle of it tackling, tackling Jorge Solaire Walt Weiss, who's

961
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 2: in his early sixties, and he tackled and Solaire is

962
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 2: a former teammate of his and they have a great relationship,

963
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 2: so he was just trying to stop him and protect

964
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 2: him before anybody really got hurt. I found it odd

965
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 2: a manager is at the bottom of the pile tackling

966
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:44,760
Speaker 2: one of the assailants, and that's you know, it's typical

967
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 2: Walt Weise. He was a really good player, a really

968
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 2: tough guy. And by the way, Jeff, he used the

969
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 2: oldest glove that I've ever seen he like wore the

970
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 2: same glove for his entire major league career because it

971
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:00,359
Speaker 2: felt comfortable on his hand. You know how we talk

972
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 2: all the time about comfort of a glove, so so important,

973
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 2: and it was so ugly and so old. He nicknamed

974
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 2: it the Creature, so he would wear the Creature for

975
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 2: every game that he ever played, because it was the

976
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 2: glove that made him such a good major. Lee shots

977
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 2: up the creature, the Creature. I love it. You know

978
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 2: it's funny. Dad.

979
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:23,720
Speaker 1: You gave me this card of Walt Weiss, but stuck

980
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:25,800
Speaker 1: to the back of it was a Travis Lee card.

981
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:28,320
Speaker 1: So when I turned it around to look at the stats,

982
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 1: I was massively confused to see Travis Lee's face.

983
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 2: All right, well, we have to tell a quick Travis

984
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:38,800
Speaker 2: Lee story. Travis Lee. Travis Lee threw left handed, played

985
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 2: first base in the major leagues. Okay, uh huh. He

986
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,280
Speaker 2: was a high school quarterback, and he threw a football

987
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 2: with his right hand. So he's one of those guys

988
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 2: who threw a baseball with his left hand and threw

989
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 2: a football with his right hand. Now you explain that

990
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 2: to me someday, Jeff, how could that be? And he

991
00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:00,319
Speaker 2: told me he can't throw a football left handed, and

992
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 2: he can't throw a baseball right handed, but he can

993
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 2: do a football in baseball with the other hand. How strange?

994
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 2: Is that? So strange?

995
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:11,919
Speaker 1: And we're sitting on a rookie card of Travis which

996
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 1: is pretty neat and it's stuck to Walt Weiss. Oops,

997
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 1: all right, well maybe someone will tell us that has

998
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 1: some value. Well, Dad, this was so great to have

999
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 1: you back in the basement here. I'm so so blessed

1000
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 1: to have you coming up to help us watch our

1001
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 1: daughter McKinley as my wife is thirty one weeks pregnant.

1002
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 1: Just unbelievable, So thank you for coming out. And what

1003
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:34,959
Speaker 1: do we have to look forward to next week?

1004
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 2: Monday? We have a show that will run on Monday

1005
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 2: and we'll do a just a look at Jackie Robinson Week.

1006
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's big and you're gonna be broadcasting for Jackie

1007
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 1: Robinson Week, so that's really big. We'll have some more

1008
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:49,359
Speaker 1: info on that on Monday Tuesday. Friend of the show,

1009
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:52,439
Speaker 1: Steve Russian, he may have two or three kids inside joke.

1010
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 2: Go back and listen to our last interview.

1011
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:56,720
Speaker 1: It's great he's going to join us and a little

1012
00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 1: fun fact, I'm going to be at Disney World with

1013
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:01,319
Speaker 1: my daughter and my wife and laws next week, so

1014
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be doing the show from the most magical

1015
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 1: place on Earth, Disney World. So maybe we could ask

1016
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:10,800
Speaker 1: our listeners to come up with an all Disney team,

1017
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 1: whether it's Disney characters or yeah, something like Disney movie

1018
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:16,800
Speaker 1: references could.

1019
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:20,359
Speaker 2: Be kind of cool. Yeah, Bob Pinocchio will be our shortstop.

1020
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 2: That could work. No such players, Bob Pinocchi, Is there

1021
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 2: a McQueen out there, well, Lightning McQueen, Well, I was

1022
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:32,279
Speaker 2: talking baseball player, Dad. I'll handle the Disney references. Yes,

1023
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:35,719
Speaker 2: all right, now, now we have to do a Disney reference, right,

1024
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:38,479
Speaker 2: You're gonna do a Disney team, Tim, All right, boy,

1025
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 2: that was the harshest ex hial I've ever seen you make.

1026
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 2: You're nervous.

1027
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:45,279
Speaker 1: Now, you're gonna need a plane ride right now to

1028
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:45,919
Speaker 1: make this happen.

1029
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:48,400
Speaker 2: You know why if you need a plane ride to

1030
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:51,360
Speaker 2: England to make this one happen, right, we'll make it happen.

1031
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 1: Hey, thank you so much for listening, and it's always

1032
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:54,840
Speaker 1: thanks for being a part of our family.