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Speaker 1: Craig Ferguson. The name of this podcast is Joy. I
Speaker 1: talk to interest in people about what brings them happiness.
Speaker 1: Welcome to Joy the Podcast. My guest today is a
Speaker 1: friend of mine full disclosure, A good friend of mine
Speaker 1: and a good person and very clever and very interesting,
Speaker 1: and she is a MythBuster. So that works. Her name
Speaker 1: is Carried Byron, and you're welcome and enjoy carry.
Speaker 2: I want to ask you a question. Yes, this is
Speaker 2: a question.
Speaker 1: Although I've known you for many years, I have never
Speaker 1: answer you this question, unless maybe I have asked you
Speaker 1: this question.
Speaker 2: But we'll find out.
Speaker 1: Are you in any way related to Lord Byron?
Speaker 3: Well, according to my father, yes, but my father was
Speaker 3: one of those big fish kind of guys that tells
Speaker 3: really great stories. So sometimes I'm just going to go
Speaker 3: with yes. I have never fully fully investigated it. But
Speaker 3: my dad used to have this big leather bound Lord
Speaker 3: Byron book, okay, read in front of the fireplace, and
Speaker 3: like five am when I get up early, I'd curl
Speaker 3: up on his lap and he would read me poetry.
Speaker 3: And I didn't understand any of it until I was older,
Speaker 3: but he felt this. I think it just gave him
Speaker 3: a sense of importance. So like on his deathbed, I
Speaker 3: read him Lord Byron poetry.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, that's father lovely. And I'm sorry to hear
Speaker 1: that your father's passed. But what a lovely thing to do?
Speaker 1: Was he able to hear you? Did he enjoy it?
Speaker 2: And stuff?
Speaker 3: I feel like he did. He wasn't really in a
Speaker 3: state of it.
Speaker 4: So yeah, you know.
Speaker 1: I gave my mother on her deathbed, I gave her
Speaker 1: a photograph of Tony Curtis. Tony Curtis had been on
Speaker 1: the Late Night Show and that was my mom's favorite.
Speaker 1: And then she was dying and I told Tony Curtis
Speaker 1: my mom was in the hospital.
Speaker 2: She's very second.
Speaker 1: I was going to leave after the show, and he went, oh,
Speaker 1: and he signed a photograph for and I gave it
Speaker 1: to my mom. But I think I don't think she
Speaker 1: saw it, but I like to think that she knew
Speaker 1: that it was a picture of Tony Curtis signed by
Speaker 1: Tony Kurtiz On anyway, listen, it's a rather poetic name
Speaker 1: for someone who I think of as being a science
Speaker 1: You're very sciencey. You come you've come to my haunted
Speaker 1: houses in Scotland, and you're like, ah, there's no such
Speaker 1: thing as ghosts, and you're very sciencey about it.
Speaker 2: But of course there are such a thing as ghosts. Obviously.
Speaker 3: I wanted to be haunted so badly at your house,
Speaker 3: Like I stayed awake, I walked around in the dark.
Speaker 4: I was like, bring it, because I would love to
Speaker 4: be haunted. That would be so cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what they don't do it if you want it. Also,
Speaker 1: I think there were a couple of scotsmen at the
Speaker 1: parties be very happy to be haunting you in the
Speaker 1: middle of the night if they you you were walking
Speaker 1: around the castle. I watched a couple of those gentlemen.
Speaker 1: What all you around the dance floor.
Speaker 3: But you do some real fun dancing at your parties.
Speaker 3: You have never done that kind of dancing. It's it's
Speaker 3: like Scottish line dancing or coon it is.
Speaker 1: It's reels. It's it's reels before Instagram. Now let me
Speaker 1: let me ask you this because you are one of
Speaker 1: a select gang that throughout the course of this podcast
Speaker 1: I will talk to all of them, even probably including
Speaker 1: Jamie is myth Butler's Royalty. You were the only for
Speaker 1: most of the time anyway, you were the only women
Speaker 1: on the team, right.
Speaker 4: Well, we started out with Skotcharny.
Speaker 3: Yes, she is just an amazing welder and very very cool.
Speaker 3: I was just the longest running and consistently the first one.
Speaker 3: I was helping Jamie out behind the scenes when I
Speaker 3: was just interning, so like the very first episode, I
Speaker 3: was there.
Speaker 2: But you were interning, right, That's what it was.
Speaker 1: It was just like because because you I feel like
Speaker 1: maybe I'm making this up, but I feel like I
Speaker 1: think of you as you were a sculptress or a sculptor, right,
Speaker 1: that was your thing, that's where you were going to do.
Speaker 2: You still do that?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean some of them are behind me.
Speaker 2: I was going to say those ones behind you yours?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I've always done it. I thought when
Speaker 3: I was in San Francisco that I was going to
Speaker 3: become this like really cool sculptor and my life was
Speaker 3: going to be artie and my creepy little sculptures didn't
Speaker 3: really sell that well. I couldn't make a living out
Speaker 3: of it, so I thought, oh my god, how could
Speaker 3: I still be a sculptor and do this kind of thing?
Speaker 3: But like it paid, So then I started trying to
Speaker 3: put together a portfolio so that I could maybe go work.
Speaker 3: It's you know, work on Star Wars because Lucas Ranch
Speaker 3: was so close to us, and I wanted to be
Speaker 3: like Jamie and Adam and Tory when I grew up.
Speaker 3: I wanted to do what they did. They were model makers. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but I ended up using those sculptures that I had
Speaker 3: made artistically to impress Jamie, and he's like, Okay, you know,
Speaker 3: maybe I'll give you a job.
Speaker 4: I won't pay you, but you can come work here.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: That sounds very much like Jamie. He's he's for.
Speaker 1: He's a very singular human being. I've always liked very
Speaker 1: much what he did on camera. I always got very
Speaker 1: a sense of like, there were people like you and
Speaker 1: Adam and Torry and Grant God dressed them. We're very
Speaker 1: comfortable on camera and kind of loved it and we're
Speaker 1: very natural. And Jamie I always get a sense that
Speaker 1: he was kind of rather grudgingly doing it because he
Speaker 1: felt like someone. I felt like someone had told him
Speaker 1: he had to do it and say you.
Speaker 2: Went yeah, right, I don't like it? Or am I
Speaker 2: making out? Was that character?
Speaker 4: No? No, there is no character like Jamie is Jamie.
Speaker 3: When I occasionally go visit his shop and he oorates
Speaker 3: the gearing of everything he's working on, like it's the
Speaker 3: same stuff, like he's working for some DARPA think tank
Speaker 3: or something at this point on some stuff I probably
Speaker 3: can't talk about, but I all spent an hour just
Speaker 3: listening to him explain projects. But he did MythBusters because
Speaker 3: they gave him an opportunity to do really cool, weird,
Speaker 3: wild stuff.
Speaker 1: Right, there was a lot of explosions. You guys blew
Speaker 1: up a lot of stuff, a lot.
Speaker 3: No, honestly, that wasn't his favorite. That was like one
Speaker 3: of my favorites.
Speaker 2: You seem to be very.
Speaker 1: Drawn to explosions. Do you still get to get your
Speaker 1: explosions fixed?
Speaker 2: Now? How do you get your semtex fixed these days?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 3: I do black powder artwork, so I'm still yeah, you
Speaker 3: send you some, give me your address, I'll send you
Speaker 3: some powder.
Speaker 2: It's not going to work well that you can't said.
Speaker 3: That it is all. It's already it's already been set off.
Speaker 3: So I take canvases, cover them in a watercolor paper,
Speaker 3: and then I I do these controlled explosions. They're not
Speaker 3: very big because I'm doing in my backyard.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: Yeah, don't tell anybody anybody, but I have I have
Speaker 3: a storage of really old dirty black powder, like not
Speaker 3: the clean kind because they change the recipe, but like
Speaker 3: the old stuff that they would put in canons. So
Speaker 3: I have this old black powder. And when I was
Speaker 3: on MythBusters, I learned how much I loved the detritus
Speaker 3: that was left behind when we do explosions, and so
Speaker 3: I'm like.
Speaker 4: I wonder if I could make that into our work.
Speaker 3: So I started exploding things on paper and using clay
Speaker 3: to mask things off, and I made these kind of
Speaker 3: really cool explorations in What's Left Behind, which is basically
Speaker 3: at that point just a charcoal painting. And then I
Speaker 3: discovered there's other artists that do this. There's like a
Speaker 3: really famous Chinese artist that does this much bigger and
Speaker 3: better than I do. But it's it's just another way
Speaker 3: I can have an expression of art well, still blown, but.
Speaker 2: It's got to be it's got to be abstracts.
Speaker 1: Like, it's not like you said something off and suddenly
Speaker 1: there's a horse or something like that.
Speaker 4: Right Actruly, I do a lot of abstract stuff.
Speaker 3: All of my abstract stuff has a theme of connectivity,
Speaker 3: humanity and quantum physics. But then every now and then,
Speaker 3: like I will do pieces where I take this palmer
Speaker 3: clay and then I will extrude it into these long,
Speaker 3: skinny pieces and I will put it on a paper.
Speaker 3: I did one recently for my friend who had lost
Speaker 3: her her dog, and so did a portrait of her
Speaker 3: dog using this clay to kind of mask off an
Speaker 3: area that would create negative space, and then I exploded
Speaker 3: black powder behind it, and it makes this really cool
Speaker 3: charcoal painting. But it's almost like it's like when you
Speaker 3: look at the negative space is white and then.
Speaker 2: The background the explosions.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it creates this sort of chaos because like
Speaker 3: the little the grain that I use, I use a
Speaker 3: really big grain because I like how it shoots around
Speaker 3: the page and makes these little like squiggly marks, and
Speaker 3: then parts of it kind of explosive.
Speaker 2: Do you have to use special paper you blow up
Speaker 2: your paper?
Speaker 3: Well, I've I've done a lot of experimenting, as you
Speaker 3: know I like to do, and I've figured out, you know,
Speaker 3: it's if you contain the black powder, it creates an
Speaker 3: explosion and that's when things get destroyed and there's just chaos.
Speaker 3: But if you if it's open air, it just goes
Speaker 3: and it just leaves charcoal behind. I mean, mind you,
Speaker 3: My daughter hates it because the smell of sulfur lofting
Speaker 3: up into her room.
Speaker 4: She's like, oh, it smells like smoky farts. I hate it.
Speaker 1: Well, I do quite like the smell of smoky for
Speaker 1: or I was going to say sulfur, and then I
Speaker 1: said smoky farts. But I say, I think I meant
Speaker 1: smoky farts. What I'm saying is that that's that's kind
Speaker 1: of my smell is smoky.
Speaker 2: I like to go smoky. I remember actually.
Speaker 1: There was an episode of myth Busters were you guys
Speaker 1: did collect your farts in a jar?
Speaker 4: There was we did a lot of farts are funny.
Speaker 2: They are I totally agree.
Speaker 1: I always killed but they but they I do remember
Speaker 1: because I remember seeing you doing sit ups and Adam
Speaker 1: doing sit ups and catcows and stuff like that to
Speaker 1: try and collect to see how much was so much
Speaker 1: gas a human creates in a day or something.
Speaker 2: I don't know. It was some it was fantastic. I
Speaker 2: remember that.
Speaker 3: There was a lot of things that I think I
Speaker 3: worked on them. And do girls fart?
Speaker 2: I mean wow, that made it as far as the show.
Speaker 4: Girls, I mean yeah, it was a bunch of mini myths.
Speaker 3: And that one they raked up a pair of hydrogen
Speaker 3: sulfide detecting panties.
Speaker 4: Hey, when Jamie says panties, it freaks me out.
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm in London right now, so you can say pants, mean.
Speaker 4: I can say pants.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well, pants, and then then it will be underpants.
Speaker 1: But if you said it's a whole thing, you know
Speaker 1: how it is. Tell me that though, when before you
Speaker 1: were in because I know I met you when you
Speaker 1: were doing MythBusters because I have such a fan of
Speaker 1: the show. And then you guys came down and we
Speaker 1: started kind of hanging out and stuff like that. But
Speaker 1: before your life in myth Busters, I mean you were
Speaker 1: straight out of college, right.
Speaker 4: No ish?
Speaker 3: I So after college, I packed a backpack and I
Speaker 3: traveled around.
Speaker 4: The world for about a year. No way did she
Speaker 4: get country to country.
Speaker 3: I started going west from California, so I left San
Speaker 3: Francisco and yeah, I almost said that year, Okay, this
Speaker 3: is going to date me up.
Speaker 4: In nineteen ninety eight, I left and.
Speaker 3: I went to Rare Tonga and Fiji and New Zealand, Australia,
Speaker 3: worked my way up through Bali, through Southeast Asia, Japan, India, nepoal.
Speaker 4: Worked my wayward to Europe and down to Egypt.
Speaker 3: A couple of times, I just I just kind of
Speaker 3: kept moving. And I started out the trip with another girl,
Speaker 3: and then a couple of countries in we split off
Speaker 3: and did our own things.
Speaker 4: So I was traveling alone a lot and making friends
Speaker 4: along the way and lazies.
Speaker 2: You have a door, would you would you let your
Speaker 2: door do that?
Speaker 1: Then?
Speaker 3: I feel like at that age she would be an adult.
Speaker 3: And it was the most transformative educational experience I ever had.
Speaker 3: I feel like my entire life has been shaped around
Speaker 3: the mission to build bridges and connect with people and
Speaker 3: just feel that humanity. And I learned so much about
Speaker 3: myself in the world. And you know, when I left college,
Speaker 3: I was still in that sort of like crazy phase,
Speaker 3: and I feel like it grounded me in a really
Speaker 3: interesting way.
Speaker 2: And how did you go to college? What did you study?
Speaker 3: San Francisco State. I wanted to go for film sculpture.
Speaker 3: I just something laraty at the time, which is how
Speaker 3: I kind of ended up that come.
Speaker 2: From your parents? Then? Were you an arty family?
Speaker 4: No, I mean the Byrons.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean I mean, but Byron was first of all,
Speaker 1: He's Scottish and I think he was a bit of
Speaker 1: a bit of a drunk actually.
Speaker 2: Byron, Oh, yeah, he was.
Speaker 4: He was wild.
Speaker 3: I mean, I am not entirely proud of some of
Speaker 3: the things that that side. His father brought, uh, venereal diseases,
Speaker 3: to like the cook eye.
Speaker 4: I think that I think there's been a lot of
Speaker 4: a lot of mayhem.
Speaker 2: But he would he.
Speaker 1: Would definitely be canceled now Byron. There's no way he
Speaker 1: had survived in social media, no way. There's so many
Speaker 1: people know that would not have survived that.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: Although I don't know, you canceled a drunk poet, but
Speaker 1: probably you don't drunk put with the title. Well that's it,
Speaker 1: You're canceled. I don't care.
Speaker 2: I don't think it would matter. But the fact I have.
Speaker 3: A lot of bastard children. He had one child that
Speaker 3: he claimed. Now this is this is sort of the
Speaker 3: the ancestor that I tell my kid about because I
Speaker 3: was so proud. So he had a daughter, Ada of Lovelace,
Speaker 3: who she was really sick when she was young, and
Speaker 3: her mother was not into Lord Byron. So she she
Speaker 3: stole her way and tried to break the poetry out
Speaker 3: of her with math.
Speaker 4: She made her study.
Speaker 1: Math, so kind of like praise the way, but with
Speaker 1: math that's crazy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, she's just like, I'm going to get all the
Speaker 4: RT out of you. I'm going to I'm going to
Speaker 4: train you in math.
Speaker 3: So when this woman grew up, she hooked up with
Speaker 3: this guy Charles Babbage, who was and they created He
Speaker 3: had created a counting machine like a giant calculator, and
Speaker 3: she used that machine as an application to create rugs
Speaker 3: with pictures on them. She was sort of the grandmother
Speaker 3: of computer science because she's the one that figured out
Speaker 3: with all those ones and cereals you can create. So
Speaker 3: we wouldn't have I don't think computers today if it
Speaker 3: wasn't for that connection between our science.
Speaker 4: So she's the revolutionary.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is fascinating.
Speaker 1: It was also, I mean, the idea that math would
Speaker 1: push the r of someone as such a ridiculous notion.
Speaker 1: You think of Leonardo da Vinci, who is pretty much
Speaker 1: a mathematician who did are or an artist mathematician and
Speaker 1: pretty good one, not as well and probably gay.
Speaker 4: I've heard that, I've.
Speaker 2: Heard, Yeah, I think so. I think.
Speaker 1: I think back then the sexuality in medieval Italy, Middle
Speaker 1: Ages and Netlie it was like, you know whatever, you know, male,
Speaker 1: it's a fluid, Hey, what's the coming ago? It doesn't matter,
Speaker 1: everything is fine. So you leave there and you go
Speaker 1: with me. How did you end up? You just went
Speaker 1: to metaphors? This as an intern job that was because
Speaker 1: because of the connection with industrial light and magic, right,
Speaker 1: was that the thing you wanted at the time?
Speaker 3: Uh, MythBusters wasn't there. So I just got a job
Speaker 3: for Jamie.
Speaker 1: Oh it was just Jamie. You was just wanting for Jamie.
Speaker 1: How did you meet Jamie for Good's Day? I mean, Jay,
Speaker 1: I can't imagine. Jamie's a person that you would meet socially.
Speaker 1: How did you how they held you bump into Jamie?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it wasn't socially.
Speaker 2: No, I can't imagine.
Speaker 3: So he had sort of a general manager of his
Speaker 3: shop that was teaching a sculpting for special effects class
Speaker 3: to college kids.
Speaker 4: And one of my friends at that class.
Speaker 3: And he was like, oh, Carrie would love this, like
Speaker 3: it's this incredible workshop. Like you should go hit him
Speaker 3: up and see if you can get an internship because
Speaker 3: this is what you've been trying to do. And I
Speaker 3: heard he gets everybody their first job. So I put
Speaker 3: together a portfolio and he, you know, introduced me to
Speaker 3: Jamie and the next day I was back. I mean,
Speaker 3: I had a job as a receptionist and I called
Speaker 3: in sick. I just started showing up at Jamie's shop,
Speaker 3: like just in case Jamie was going to throw me
Speaker 3: out because you know, at first he wasn't really that
Speaker 3: impressed with me. I have to say, he was just.
Speaker 2: Like some guy to impress, you know, I mean, it.
Speaker 4: Takes a minute.
Speaker 2: It takes a minute.
Speaker 1: What happened though with myth Busters, it's such an odd
Speaker 1: thing because it was such a strange. I always felt
Speaker 1: very connected to myth Busters. I always thought that the
Speaker 1: late night show that I'm myth Busters were kind of
Speaker 1: out of the same thing. They were anomalies, They shouldn't
Speaker 1: really have happened, they shouldn't really have been successful.
Speaker 2: But they both were by people who kind of like.
Speaker 1: Drifted into it for kind of sideways and the idea
Speaker 1: of you know, when you became you know, visible and
Speaker 1: famous and stuff like that. Because this sounds like to
Speaker 1: me that that was something that you were cultivating or
Speaker 1: even wanted to be part of.
Speaker 3: So I know, you said I looked like I was
Speaker 3: comfortable on camera, but I was not. I was a
Speaker 3: shy person, right that pretends to be extroverted. So, I
Speaker 3: mean it was hard at first.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it first, but it kind of it
Speaker 1: gets easier right then, you get it didn't get easier
Speaker 1: over time.
Speaker 2: I mean how long you guys did that show for
Speaker 2: for ten years? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Over ten years?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's yeah, it becomes a thing. And
Speaker 1: then Grant coming in. He came in in season two
Speaker 1: or something else, season three, is that right?
Speaker 4: Don't remember what season?
Speaker 3: Seasons are difficult for me because I was wild West
Speaker 3: of Networks and you know, we made more than three
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty episodes, but like the first season of
Speaker 3: MythBusters was like three episodes, and then the second was
Speaker 3: like ten, and then they realized our contracts only needed
Speaker 3: to be renegotiated per season, so all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: the season would be thirty six episodes.
Speaker 2: Oh man, that's awful. That's awful.
Speaker 1: Do you still what I mean, what does it look
Speaker 1: like now post MythBusters? Well, I mean we lost Grint,
Speaker 1: which was such a terrible, terrible shock, I mean, just awful,
Speaker 1: and everyone seems to be doing rather well likely, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean you now have that you're like you're the
Speaker 1: science thing that you do?
Speaker 2: What is that?
Speaker 3: So? You know, after MythBusters, Tory and I tried and
Speaker 3: tried to come up with other shows that we might
Speaker 3: do the same thing or give us this great experience,
Speaker 3: and you know, nothing took off past the season, but
Speaker 3: you know, we were friends and we want to just keep.
Speaker 4: Working, you know, if you want to scoop right now.
Speaker 3: The reason that I'm setting up the studio and it
Speaker 3: looks so blank right now is that Tory and I
Speaker 3: might be pre production putting together a podcast.
Speaker 1: Oh that's a great idea. I mean, of course that's
Speaker 1: the way to do it now as well. I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously you can have this podcast. I'm I'm
Speaker 1: going to do this until my contracts up, and now
Speaker 1: I'm not doing it anymore.
Speaker 4: Then, Yeah, I would I like.
Speaker 2: To quit things. I just like to Ah, it's enough
Speaker 2: of that to try your career.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my god, it's enough of that.
Speaker 2: We can try something else now.
Speaker 1: But so what would you do in the pot if,
Speaker 1: hypothetically you and the Great Salvatory Belichi we're going to
Speaker 1: do a podcast together and I'll have to get one
Speaker 1: that's or else you'd be mad at me, And also
Speaker 1: I would like to talk to them. But what would
Speaker 1: you do in your podcast if you were going to
Speaker 1: do a podcast with Tori?
Speaker 3: So we had always said with you know, the real
Speaker 3: show was never what you guys saw the real show
Speaker 3: was the hilarity behind the scenes because we were all friends.
Speaker 3: I mean, we were pranking each other. We were talking
Speaker 3: about weird stuff that we saw.
Speaker 4: We're like, oh my god, did you see that thing
Speaker 4: about the zombie ants?
Speaker 3: You know, we would spend all this time with the
Speaker 3: weirdness of trying to produce the show. You know, hey,
Speaker 3: can you give us a cow stomach? With all the
Speaker 3: ventricles attached? Like, there's so many behind the scenes stories,
Speaker 3: plus all of the weird intricacies of the conversations that
Speaker 3: we would have. So it's basically going to be like,
Speaker 3: what's going on now? What things interest us? Relate it
Speaker 3: possibly to something back on MythBusters, because that's our shared
Speaker 3: history and we have so much of it. And then
Speaker 3: you know, maybe talk to some experts about things like cryogenics,
Speaker 3: Like let's go talk to a professor that can tell us,
Speaker 3: if it's possible.
Speaker 2: Do you know anything about cryogenics.
Speaker 1: Look, I'm sixty two years old, though, carry so I
Speaker 1: know I'm kind of much more interested in cryogenics than
Speaker 1: I used to be when I was I'm.
Speaker 3: Going to be honest with you, it's like trying to
Speaker 3: make a cow out of Hamburger's.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not going to work.
Speaker 1: It's not going to work, all right, Well back to
Speaker 1: philosophy then, so what about the singularity? What about putting
Speaker 1: the human personality into the machine that the ds X machina.
Speaker 1: Is that going to happen? Can you get inside the machine?
Speaker 1: Can humans live as.
Speaker 3: I am not an expert. I am somebody who likes
Speaker 3: to talk to experts. I think that we're not going
Speaker 3: to be able to do that because the mysteries of
Speaker 3: all the electricity that happens to us and why it happens.
Speaker 3: I mean, we're just these electrified meat puppets that you know,
Speaker 3: it's a mystery why we exist.
Speaker 4: I don't think that that's going to happen.
Speaker 3: But I am incredibly impressed by what AI is doing.
Speaker 4: And I have a lot of friends.
Speaker 3: I live in the Silicon Valley and I have a
Speaker 3: lot of friends in DC and all of the policy
Speaker 3: I have know. I know people in AI that are
Speaker 3: you know, the luminaries, and they are hopeful, they are fearful,
Speaker 3: and they are astounded by how quickly it's developing. And
Speaker 3: now AI through the Internet. It's not just AI talking
Speaker 3: to us, it's AI talking to each other. So there's
Speaker 3: just this whole undercurrent of robots talking to each other,
Speaker 3: and it's the thinking is getting.
Speaker 1: Human can we can we can we conduct surveillance. So
Speaker 1: in these robots as they talk to each other, presumably
Speaker 1: they're not keeping secrets.
Speaker 3: No, I don't think they're hiding it. I don't think
Speaker 3: we would fully understand it, but they. I mean Deep
Speaker 3: Seek is the latest AI to come out, and really
Speaker 3: really yeah, I was really interested in this because it
Speaker 3: shows you it's thinking and how it comes to its conclusions,
Speaker 3: which is it's a little different and it's so human
Speaker 3: in the way that it relates. I think that that's
Speaker 3: what's so interesting to me is that people are trying
Speaker 3: to make it have humanity so that it can connect
Speaker 3: with you better, so that you can feed the beasts,
Speaker 3: so you can give it more material.
Speaker 4: It's it's it's.
Speaker 3: Wildly interesting, but it also only can feed off of
Speaker 3: what we give it, so right, I do think that
Speaker 3: humans in their creativity, if you don't put it online,
Speaker 3: it doesn't have it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or just take the battery out. I mean I
Speaker 1: always thought that, but terminators.
Speaker 2: Like just don't plug it for God's sake, kill the battery.
Speaker 1: Just get the battery over there, or pour some water
Speaker 1: on it every time you like, drop it in the toilet.
Speaker 2: That's said, that will take care of it.
Speaker 4: But the just flush the terminator.
Speaker 2: Flushinators, take it in the.
Speaker 4: Toilet, blush it like an old high school movie.
Speaker 2: Look look, terminator. What's that that looks like?
Speaker 1: I think John Connor's and the toilet terminator and then
Speaker 1: was swirly and you're done.
Speaker 2: I think that.
Speaker 1: I think that there's so much talk about it though
Speaker 1: the AI have. I mean every conversation I have with
Speaker 1: everybody right now, at some point, if you talk to
Speaker 1: anyone for more than ten minutes, you're talking to them
Speaker 1: about AI.
Speaker 2: Once you get past you know, the like or whatever.
Speaker 1: And I'm fascinated because most people I talk to are
Speaker 1: quite afraid of it. But these are the people who
Speaker 1: don't use it. People who use it are not afraid
Speaker 1: of it at all. I talked to it, I mean
Speaker 1: a surgeon who was like, Oh, this is the greatest
Speaker 1: leap for surgery. This is amazing, this start, I mean,
Speaker 1: this is just it's changing the game. We're going to
Speaker 1: be able to save so many more lives with this
Speaker 1: kind of technology.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's really gung o about it. He loved it.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's like any technology that little, you know,
Speaker 3: iPhone in my hand revolutionize my life. I have so
Speaker 3: much more connectivity. But it's also something that sucks me
Speaker 3: into the light. You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's time.
Speaker 3: But I mean that's if you're talking to people are afraid.
Speaker 3: I'm thinking that you're mostly talking to adults who came
Speaker 3: up without it.
Speaker 1: I really have two children, and one of them already
Speaker 1: is an adult. So yeah, I talked to one child
Speaker 1: pretty much that's it. He's fourteen, so I mean he's
Speaker 1: not afraid of that at all. Yeah, of course, right.
Speaker 3: But I'm so one of you were asking post MythBusters.
Speaker 3: I am currently the director of the National Stem Festival,
Speaker 3: which is basically the nation's science fair, right, and a
Speaker 3: lot of these kids are using AI machine learning in
Speaker 3: such interesting ways to try to come up with solutions
Speaker 3: to big challenges around the world. I mean everything from uh,
Speaker 3: there's this kid Tyler in Connecticut who's come up with
Speaker 3: a cost effective test that can find iodine deficiencies, and
Speaker 3: all of the data that comes from that is going
Speaker 3: to actually create a base for us to understand why
Speaker 3: millions of people have an iodine deficiency. And he's come
Speaker 3: up with a two dollars saliva based color metric test
Speaker 3: that can you know, you can send it in and
Speaker 3: get results quickly and find out if you have an
Speaker 3: iodine deficiency.
Speaker 1: Well would why would that be important about having an
Speaker 1: ida in deficiency?
Speaker 2: What would that do to you if you're an iida
Speaker 2: in deficiency.
Speaker 3: There's also some sorts of like neurological and physical issues
Speaker 3: that come from any sort of deficiency. I mean, some
Speaker 3: of these kids are using it for like last year,
Speaker 3: there was this one girl who used pictures of eyes
Speaker 3: and the machine learned to be able to detect if
Speaker 3: you had anemia. Because anemia is a real problem. It
Speaker 3: can create all kinds of problems, especially if you're sick
Speaker 3: and old. And her grandmother had anemeia and it was undiagnosed.
Speaker 3: So she came up with a way for machine learning
Speaker 3: to predict anemia through pictures of your eyes.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's pretty cool.
Speaker 1: So non invasive kind of testing like that, I mean,
Speaker 1: and presumably then if you can do it from an
Speaker 1: eye scan, you can do it from a computer. Because
Speaker 1: like I'm in Britain right now and they have socialized
Speaker 1: medicine here, and they're, oh is struggling about trying to
Speaker 1: get people into offices and having the right amount of people.
Speaker 1: So I guess if you can test people using machinery
Speaker 1: so that you know, you can scan the idea of
Speaker 1: having a medical done by a robot.
Speaker 2: I quite like that idea, especially the prostate example.
Speaker 1: I feel like that would probably be if there was
Speaker 1: a way to do that. Well, it is done digitally,
Speaker 1: I suppose, but it's a different type of but if
Speaker 1: there was a way to do it that it was,
Speaker 1: you know, a little less I don't know, if it
Speaker 1: was a little more camera ish, I'd be up for that.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'll put it out all these genius kids and
Speaker 3: see if somebody can come up with something.
Speaker 1: Get your your kiddie think tank going and say, look,
Speaker 1: I'm feeling like testing is the key.
Speaker 2: Early detection is the key on all of these things, right,
Speaker 2: So I'm.
Speaker 1: Not just talking about that though, I'm sort of like
Speaker 1: any illness early detection, right, you know, if you know early,
Speaker 1: you can do something about it. I feel like the
Speaker 1: development of vaccines seems to kind of go hand in
Speaker 1: hand with that as well. These kind of weird new
Speaker 1: vaccines that they're developing, That people are talking about vaccines
Speaker 1: for cancerous conditions now and stuff like that. You know,
Speaker 1: I think that's incredible to me that that kind of
Speaker 1: thinking is going on. Is that Do you see a
Speaker 1: lot of that in the young people that you talk to,
Speaker 1: because obviously if you're doing that, that they are embracing
Speaker 1: the AI in a way that older people just don't
Speaker 1: or can't.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean I feel like they're just using it as
Speaker 3: a tool like any other tool. I mean, they're coming
Speaker 3: up with apps that find early Parkinson's markers or I
Speaker 3: mean even in twenty sixteen when I did the White
Speaker 3: House Science for there was a girl who had figured
Speaker 3: out a way to diagnose cancer early using computer modeling.
Speaker 4: I mean, they've been doing this for a while.
Speaker 3: And if you think of it as a tool rather
Speaker 3: than the evil robot that's coming for your information, it's
Speaker 3: it's less scary. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I wonder about all that kind of the rule boat
Speaker 1: want your information now? I mean that do you worry
Speaker 1: about that? Do you worry about data harvest thing in
Speaker 1: your own life?
Speaker 2: You do?
Speaker 1: You have firewalls put up? I mean your computer savy,
Speaker 1: you know how to do all that.
Speaker 3: I do my best, but honestly, I think it has
Speaker 3: it all anyway, because I'm also somebody who's shops online.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agree.
Speaker 1: I mean, if one, if one piece of the machinery
Speaker 1: has it, it all has it? You go in a
Speaker 1: store to buy a pack of gum or something, They'll say,
Speaker 1: can we have your email address? Like you have it?
Speaker 1: You have it, Just let me scan my card and
Speaker 1: it will come up. You already have all that information.
Speaker 1: It's interesting to me, though, because I think of you.
Speaker 1: Last time I saw you in San Francisco when you came.
Speaker 1: I was doing a show and you came and you
Speaker 1: had turned up in one of those self driving cabs,
Speaker 1: which I still haven't done yet.
Speaker 2: Is that freaky? Do you kind of okay with it?
Speaker 4: Okay?
Speaker 3: I granted I have been here in a beta testing
Speaker 3: city for Waimo for Cruise for Zookes for years now,
Speaker 3: so I was in some of the early prototypes of
Speaker 3: Waimo way back in the day, and I was part
Speaker 3: of the test program. I signed up immediately to try
Speaker 3: these because I'm a super curious person and I just
Speaker 3: I wanted to know more. So I interviewed and talked
Speaker 3: to all kinds of people that made the cars, and
Speaker 3: we're creating them. And you know, they hire hackers and
Speaker 3: they hire all sorts of people to try to to
Speaker 3: muck it up, to see if they can actually throw
Speaker 3: the cars off track. But the last time I got
Speaker 3: into a rideshare vehicle, I had a driver that had
Speaker 3: a movie going on over here. I was talking on
Speaker 3: a phone here, had me in the back seat. I
Speaker 3: was driving a little bit crazy. Right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not going to say that that's the rule,
Speaker 4: but you.
Speaker 2: It happens when you look at me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, when you look at the robot car, it's got
Speaker 3: over sixty cameras light our radar. It has a three
Speaker 3: sixty view going on that you can actually see, which,
Speaker 3: by the way, they only put that up for you
Speaker 3: to see.
Speaker 4: The car doesn't need it.
Speaker 3: It just wants to show you, Like I can see
Speaker 3: that cat running out into the street. I can see
Speaker 3: that bicyclist over there. It's not going to hit anything
Speaker 3: if it can help it, Like it's it's paying so
Speaker 3: much more attention. It doesn't have to worry about fog
Speaker 3: or rain or night like a lot of people can't
Speaker 3: see it at night as well. The robo can like,
Speaker 3: it's got the instrumentation, it has to follow the laws.
Speaker 2: It's for example, like say like.
Speaker 1: A person wanders out enter the road, and the option
Speaker 1: the car has is to either hit the person or
Speaker 1: drive off the road and hurt you.
Speaker 2: What does it choose?
Speaker 3: Okay, it doesn't have the morals to make those decisions.
Speaker 3: But I don't know that I can answer this with
Speaker 3: any expertise, because I think you have to ask them
Speaker 3: on this one, right, Okay. I do know that it's
Speaker 3: going to try to avoid conflict altogether and stop. I
Speaker 3: don't think that there is a well I can relate
Speaker 3: to exactly.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh no, it's fine, I'm fine, I'm
Speaker 1: fine if it's okay.
Speaker 3: I mean, what would you do if your choice was
Speaker 3: to run into this person or that person? Like you're
Speaker 3: going through the calculations of how to get out of it.
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure that the robot has it because it's
Speaker 3: AI machine learning constantly and it's been training in places
Speaker 3: like San Francisco is a place to drive roads all
Speaker 3: over There's there's there's things everywhere like yeah, people on
Speaker 3: the streets. I mean, you couldn't throw it in a
Speaker 3: more chaotic situation, so it is learned, like how to
Speaker 3: maybe go this way and avoid everything.
Speaker 1: I rented a Tesla truck in Phoenix a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks ago. I was doing a show there and and
Speaker 1: Tamas and I rented a test split truck and we
Speaker 1: put it in self drive to take us around.
Speaker 2: And it was freaky, and.
Speaker 1: At one point I I intervened because I thought it
Speaker 1: was going to hit a car, and it was. There
Speaker 1: was some debate between Tomas and I to master thought
Speaker 1: it was going to hit the car.
Speaker 2: I thought it was going to hit the car.
Speaker 1: But then I thought I should have given it the
Speaker 1: chance to not hit the car, but I just didn't.
Speaker 1: But I want, I mean, you're right about you know,
Speaker 1: the distractedness of drivers, like you know, human drivers, people
Speaker 1: texting people on their phones, people you know, doing stuff.
Speaker 2: It probably is a better driver.
Speaker 1: Right, And but where am I going to get if
Speaker 1: I'm in a taxi but it doesn't have an actual driver?
Speaker 1: Where do you do I get my racist opinions from
Speaker 1: I would be able to get my racist opinions from
Speaker 1: a cab driver?
Speaker 2: Where will I get them?
Speaker 3: If only there's still the Internet in your hand, you
Speaker 3: can TikTok that if.
Speaker 2: You like, I'll be able to get my ras from
Speaker 2: other places.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's plenty. There's plenty, there's.
Speaker 1: Been, there is plenty. But I feel like it is
Speaker 1: an interesting thing. How do you use it in your life?
Speaker 2: Now? Would you use it for AR? Do you use
Speaker 2: it for R? Is that?
Speaker 1: Well? Like you, if you're creating a sculpture, would you
Speaker 1: take the would you would you bring in an it?
Speaker 1: Would you get AI to help you conceptualize it or
Speaker 1: or or maybe even make models for you?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 3: I mean for me, all our work is for me
Speaker 3: to go through some sort of journey of curiosity. So
Speaker 3: I don't need any I don't need any assistant. But
Speaker 3: what I do use AI for is when I don't
Speaker 3: understand something. And okay, so National STEM Festival right right?
Speaker 3: These kids, we find kids from every state and territory.
Speaker 3: We try to find a representation from all over the country.
Speaker 3: So it's going to be the best of the best kids. Okay,
Speaker 3: some of their projects, when I'm when I'm reading the champions,
Speaker 3: I don't understand them. They are so complex. I have
Speaker 3: literally taken the text from one of their projects and
Speaker 3: put it through AI and said, can you explain this
Speaker 3: as if I am a twelve year old. Oh wow,
Speaker 3: it will explain the science of their project to me
Speaker 3: so that I can understand it.
Speaker 4: And they are, you know, seven through twelfth graders.
Speaker 3: So I'm currently using AI to help me be a
Speaker 3: better person, be a smarter person.
Speaker 2: I very much relate to that. I get to this thing.
Speaker 1: Recently, I listened to audio books all the time on
Speaker 1: my phone. I find it very like i'm driving or
Speaker 1: if I'm can't sleep. It's like it because you can
Speaker 1: like and be off and you can listen, and it's
Speaker 1: like because I have who I am. I listened to
Speaker 1: this book, a biography of Socrates, because I thought I
Speaker 1: should know about Socrates more than I do, and it
Speaker 1: was a biography about so Cracis, and I thought, that
Speaker 1: is the best biography.
Speaker 2: I'm so helpful.
Speaker 1: And then I saw it was, you know, a biography
Speaker 1: for young people. It was for it was for teens,
Speaker 1: and I was like, ah, jeez, But it helped, you know,
Speaker 1: I understood it a bit more. They simplified it a little.
Speaker 1: And maybe I'm not as smart as I thought I was.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, on MythBusters when we were making the show,
Speaker 3: I think The reason was so successful is because, like
Speaker 3: I am not a scientist, so I'd have to hear
Speaker 3: the complicated story and then be able to relate it
Speaker 3: in a simple way. So I would I would hear
Speaker 3: it until I could understand, you know, a scientific principle
Speaker 3: and so that I could explain it. So we used
Speaker 3: to say, if you want to explain something to a
Speaker 3: thirty five year old, explain it like they're twelve. And
Speaker 3: if you want to explain it to a twelve year old,
Speaker 3: explain it like they're thirty five, because we always underestimate
Speaker 3: young people and overestimate us.
Speaker 2: It's very poignant and very true.
Speaker 1: And I wonder, given that, the interaction that you're having
Speaker 1: currently with young people and you know, the does it
Speaker 1: make you because you hear so much derision heaped on
Speaker 1: the young right now about their terrible generation and with
Speaker 1: their being having pronouns and what this and all that,
Speaker 1: and people from my generation and younger just heap so
Speaker 1: much hate on the young. Does it make you optimistic
Speaker 1: or are you? Are you more optimistic dealing with kids
Speaker 1: or are we right? Are they all a bunch of
Speaker 1: fundamentalist douchebags?
Speaker 3: I think any group of people that you brush with
Speaker 3: these grand broad strokes, It's going to be easy and
Speaker 3: reductive to come up with your ideas.
Speaker 2: Madam. That's true. Actually, you're right, it is.
Speaker 1: You know, sweeping generalizations are the basis of old fascism,
Speaker 1: I suppose.
Speaker 4: Are Let me tell you this.
Speaker 3: If you need a moment of hope, if you need
Speaker 3: a moment to feel like we're gonna be okay, really
Speaker 3: listen and and and hear what these kids are doing
Speaker 3: and saying. They are solution seekers and innovators, and they
Speaker 3: are looking to problems instead of like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: this is crushing, this is awful. How am I going
Speaker 3: to wake up tomorrow? They're like, huh, what can I
Speaker 3: do about this? What can I do about this this
Speaker 3: particular problem myself? And it's it's beautiful to see the
Speaker 3: hope that they have, and I think hope it gets
Speaker 3: hope and all of a sudden, everybody's feeling a little
Speaker 3: bit better about their neighbor. I mean, we were just
Speaker 3: as a species, we were created to be tribal. You know.
Speaker 4: I I'm at my high school.
Speaker 3: Think the high school over there is terrible, and they
Speaker 3: think the word terrible.
Speaker 4: Exactly.
Speaker 3: And the Internet has created just bigger tribes, and so
Speaker 3: it's become a little it's become a little divisive and angry.
Speaker 3: And if you fall into that and stop realizing that
Speaker 3: we're all of the same tribe, that we all really
Speaker 3: want the same things. We want to know where our
Speaker 3: next meal is coming from, we want to know that
Speaker 3: our family is safe and healthy, and we want a
Speaker 3: roof over our heads. Anything beyond that doesn't matter, and
Speaker 3: we all want that that we're all just the same.
Speaker 3: And you start looking like mister Rogers for the helpers
Speaker 3: and start looking towards these kids that are trying to
Speaker 3: solve the biggest problems of the world, it just it
Speaker 3: makes you feel good and it makes you feel like
Speaker 3: you want to be one of the helpers. And for me,
Speaker 3: since I'm not one of these brilliant scientist kids, I
Speaker 3: am going to amplify their stories. I am helping get
Speaker 3: them on their local news stations so that they can
Speaker 3: create hope in these little pockets all over the country.
Speaker 3: I want to elevate them on a national stage, which
Speaker 3: is why this is the National STEM Festival, so that
Speaker 3: politicians and industry leaders and everybody can support them and
Speaker 3: hear their stories and maybe take that hope back to.
Speaker 4: Where they are and create more hope.
Speaker 3: I really feel like this small sea, this stem festival
Speaker 3: that we're creating is going to have this incredible ripple
Speaker 3: effect of just creating more and more positivity. And who
Speaker 3: knows if this kid in New York who's learning how
Speaker 3: to gamify some sort of issue over hear me so
Speaker 3: a kid in Kansas, and the two of them come
Speaker 3: together in the future and we've created this little community
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, they're curing cancer. I just
Speaker 3: I feel like there's ways that you're going to look
Speaker 3: at the youth and it's going to make you feel
Speaker 3: good about the world. Turn off the news and start
Speaker 3: looking to the kids.
Speaker 1: That's very encouraging. It's very encouraging. And I think I
Speaker 1: agree with you. I think that the human mind has,
Speaker 1: for the most part, a magnifying quality. What I think
Speaker 1: it does is if you if you look at something, anything,
Speaker 1: you look at, it magnifies it. It's part of the
Speaker 1: process that I think we go through. So if we
Speaker 1: look at the problem, we magnify the problem. If we
Speaker 1: look at the potential solution, we magnify the potential solution.
Speaker 2: And I think it's an emotive thing.
Speaker 1: Like if I concentrate on what and this is where
Speaker 1: I think social media is misleading because the algorithm will
Speaker 1: give you what it thinks you want and actually maybe
Speaker 1: that's what you wanted a thought process to go. But
Speaker 1: now like if you if it's thinking, oh, I want
Speaker 1: to look at fights, I want to look at street fights,
Speaker 1: I want to look at more street fights. I'm going
Speaker 1: to more and more street fights, and the algorithm will
Speaker 1: do that, Whereas what you need is you need to
Speaker 1: stop looking at that and you need to look at
Speaker 1: how people don't do that. And I think what's very
Speaker 1: encouraging about what you're doing is the fact that you're
Speaker 1: concentrating on the solution, you know, I which is interesting
Speaker 1: because if you take an engineering mind, an engineering mind
Speaker 1: looks at the problem. It concentrates on the problem and
Speaker 1: we'll find the solution from the problem.
Speaker 2: But I think an artist's mind.
Speaker 1: Looks at the solution and does the solution. It doesn't
Speaker 1: look at the problem. Does is just going straight to
Speaker 1: the solution. Let's have the solution. And I think they're
Speaker 1: both essential. I think these different different ways of looking
Speaker 1: at the world does duality. I think it's essential. It's
Speaker 1: very helpful. I think that people like you are doing that.
Speaker 1: It's great that you became famous in science y, even
Speaker 1: although you were just an intern trying to get Jovid
Speaker 1: to it was very I love.
Speaker 4: About the world. To me, it really did.
Speaker 3: It kind of showed me how science and art are
Speaker 3: so similar. And I think I became just a super
Speaker 3: stem advocate just because I saw how positive an impact
Speaker 3: that MythBusters could have on kids, and I think kind
Speaker 3: of led them into these careers. And I was just like,
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, how do we earnest that, how do
Speaker 3: we make you know, mythbustery inspiration happened with lots of
Speaker 3: kids and then just you know, one thing led to
Speaker 3: the next.
Speaker 4: And the way that this.
Speaker 3: Festival came about is I was interviewing people itself by
Speaker 3: Southwest and I was interviewing the Secretary of Education, and
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, I've got this opportunity.
Speaker 4: I'm going to corner this guy.
Speaker 3: So I was like, listen, I hosted the White House
Speaker 3: Science Fair and it hasn't existed for a.
Speaker 4: Decade, and I want it back. How do we make
Speaker 4: that come back?
Speaker 3: Tell me you're going to bring it back and it
Speaker 3: kind of.
Speaker 4: I got him to offer on camera.
Speaker 3: That you know, if I would build it, he would
Speaker 3: let me take the keys. And so this this entire
Speaker 3: thing has just sort of sprouted into this is the
Speaker 3: second year of it, and want to star science, science, Technology, engineering,
Speaker 3: and math. I like to say science fair, but but
Speaker 3: STEM Festivals seemed like it was more encompassing for a
Speaker 3: lot of kids, so we went with that. But you know,
Speaker 3: I did my research. I went and found all of
Speaker 3: the people that worked on the first science fair that
Speaker 3: I had hosted with Bill and I, and they said
Speaker 3: that their one regret was that they tied it to
Speaker 3: an administration so that it became partisan and that makes
Speaker 3: it go away when another administration comes in. So we decided,
Speaker 3: my business partner Jenny Bucos and I that we were
Speaker 3: going to take that aspect away, take the politics out
Speaker 3: of it. And so we work in conjunction with all
Speaker 3: the government agencies, and they are there and they are
Speaker 3: part of it, but nobody owns it. It's completely on
Speaker 3: its own. We get all of the funding from the
Speaker 3: STEM community, so we actually get businesses. Everyone from Autodesk
Speaker 3: to Nokia to GM two, Indy Car are all helping
Speaker 3: US sponsor the festival because they're, you know, creating the
Speaker 3: workforce of the future with these kids. So we get
Speaker 3: the whole STEM community to support these kids. We separate
Speaker 3: it from government to make it bipartisan, and it's really
Speaker 3: just all about supporting brilliance, supporting excellence, and supporting these kids.
Speaker 3: So it's it's not just focusing on the kids, but
Speaker 3: the entire STEM community is showing up.
Speaker 2: I think it's great. I mean that it's for you.
Speaker 1: I mean because I know you, and I know you
Speaker 1: are not putting on You are relentlessly positive, which is
Speaker 1: which is very interesting to me. Do you never do
Speaker 1: you ever get discouraged? Do you ever feel like, oh,
Speaker 1: fuck this, I can't I kind of listen it. I mean,
Speaker 1: because look, you give me five minutes with a politician,
Speaker 1: I can I lose the will eleft any of them
Speaker 1: any no matter what stripe they have, they're just foul people.
Speaker 2: They're awful, all.
Speaker 4: The headline grabbers. So I gotta say so.
Speaker 3: One of the things that was always great about MythBusters
Speaker 3: is the audience was very broad, and it was eight
Speaker 3: to eighty. It was men and women, it was blue,
Speaker 3: it was red. We did so many things that just
Speaker 3: people communally enjoyed. So you know, it didn't matter where
Speaker 3: I was or who I was talking to, Like I
Speaker 3: could walk up to the bluest of the blue or
Speaker 3: the reddest of the red and build some bridges because
Speaker 3: I do like creating that community of we're all more
Speaker 3: alike than different.
Speaker 4: And so when.
Speaker 3: We as the company that I am founding with Jenny Bucos,
Speaker 3: which is Explore, which is an educational platform, we conceived
Speaker 3: of this great idea we wanted to make STEM Week.
Speaker 2: So we probably with math Yes, yes, I love it.
Speaker 3: We want National STEM Week to happen that is just
Speaker 3: celebrating STEM and all things that are STEM. So we
Speaker 3: partnered up with Kosai, which is like the number one
Speaker 3: science museum out in Ohio, and we authored this bill
Speaker 3: that went onto the floor, that was introduced by Republicans
Speaker 3: to the floor and is now we're getting both Republican
Speaker 3: and Democratic support to create the STEM Week Act to
Speaker 3: make enough.
Speaker 2: Congratulations. I think you're the only one that's crossing the
Speaker 2: floor right now. That's amazing.
Speaker 3: We're trying, we're trying, We're doing our best, but it's
Speaker 3: it's going places because you know, it's not necessarily the
Speaker 3: headline grammars, it's it's the people that are doing the
Speaker 3: work that are really really these they were, they were lovely,
Speaker 3: And I know I was walking into offices all over
Speaker 3: the Capitol Building of different parties, and one thing you
Speaker 3: can get behind is smart kids. And I thinking it's
Speaker 3: a unifying event here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's.
Speaker 1: It's also it's it doesn't seem to me to contain
Speaker 1: a very an obvious polemic right away. I mean, who
Speaker 1: can be against kids saving Earth? I think that's okay,
Speaker 1: But I think that's also the plow of space jam.
Speaker 1: Oh no, it's cartoon characters saving Earth. But it's very similar. Well, listen,
Speaker 1: should had more time. Well we do have more time
Speaker 1: because we're friends, and I'll talk to you again, but
Speaker 1: we don't have any more time right now for this.
Speaker 1: But I'll be out on the West coast sooner. You're
Speaker 1: gonna be there for a while.
Speaker 3: Yeah, here, So I will come to your show and
Speaker 3: if you could bring your wife, because I will.
Speaker 2: I will bring my wife.
Speaker 1: To be honest, when Megan goes somewhere is because she
Speaker 1: wants to go there is I don't bring her anywhere she.
Speaker 2: Goes she wants to go.
Speaker 4: I realize this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I think we know.
Speaker 1: The paradynamic in my house is fairly obvious, and I'm
Speaker 1: fine with it.
Speaker 2: I'm very happy with it.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, tons of love to you, Thank you
Speaker 1: so much for being on, and i'll speak to you
Speaker 1: very soon.
Speaker 2: I think i'm out there in a couple of weeks.
Speaker 3: I'll give you a show so fantastic. The only reason
Speaker 3: I'm doing this podcast so I can just you.
Speaker 1: Know, doing chat and all right, you swear a lot
Speaker 1: less in podcast land, though.
Speaker 4: I'm doing that on purpose.
Speaker 2: Good for you. I'm very impressed.
Speaker 4: I'm a pirate offic I know, I know.
Speaker 2: It's okay. That's okay. You got some of it's going
Speaker 2: to be for you. You've got to have your own thing,
Speaker 2: all right, get the fuck out of here. All right,
Speaker 2: we're done. What do you