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Speaker 1: M The Around the League Podcast is Above the Law.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another edition of the Around the League Podcast.

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Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hanss and I am joined by

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Speaker 1: room filled with heroes Chris Westling, Mark Sessler, and Greg

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Speaker 1: Rose at all what Op boys in full house? Back together.

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Speaker 1: Finally waited so long for this. It's been a while.

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Speaker 1: I can't remember the last time we've all been together.

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Speaker 1: Does anybody remember what's happening in the world on a

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Speaker 1: weekly basis that can be recalled? I can't really remember

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Speaker 1: anything anything except we don't track news events. Yeah, societal happenings.

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Speaker 1: We don't know. That's true. We've been over that ground before.

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Speaker 1: Football is the top of the list and it will

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Speaker 1: be on this podcast as well. Uh, this is going

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Speaker 1: to be a busy show. Uh. There was like a

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Speaker 1: science laborate Tory guys in a lab like working on

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Speaker 1: Excel files next to me, Greg Rosenthal and Chris Wesley

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Speaker 1: and hammering out their free agency top one hundred list.

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Speaker 1: Oh it's one oh one. Well there is some debate

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Speaker 1: over this, but free agency one oh one. I like that.

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Speaker 1: Well that's a good title. You noticed the double entendre. Yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: I get that. I like that too. Is that trademarked

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Speaker 1: anywhere as it is it possible that you could be

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Speaker 1: sued for a massive amount of your income. It means

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Speaker 1: Dan that you would be like in a classroom learning

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Speaker 1: because of the I like how Dan sees that there

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Speaker 1: was an Excel chart used in the media, is like

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Speaker 1: these guys in a crazy laboratory using their fancy math

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Speaker 1: and calculus, and we're just ranking players from Greg and uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, School Hard Knocks is as far as I got,

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Speaker 1: all right anyway, So yeah, we're gonna go over some

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Speaker 1: of that list. We're gonna mark and I are gonna

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Speaker 1: kind of pick at it a little bit and maybe

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Speaker 1: hopefully things will get awkward. We're gonna do some more

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Speaker 1: season forecasts on a couple of a f C potential

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Speaker 1: contenders in two thousand fourteen will hit that. But before

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Speaker 1: any of that happens, the gold Standard behind the Glass,

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Speaker 1: how are you buddy doing? Thanks? I sat in on

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Speaker 1: the Damage Check podcast with the gold Standard behind the Glass,

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Speaker 1: and there was more awkwardness over him being referred to

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Speaker 1: as Zack Tie by the Damage That contingent, and then

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Speaker 1: I made a point of it to say that's not right.

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Speaker 1: Zach gold Center played it nicely. He kind of played

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Speaker 1: it down the middle, which you have to. But I

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Speaker 1: we all privately know how he feels about this, definitely,

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Speaker 1: and thank you so much for stepping to play it

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Speaker 1: on that. Appreciate it. You got it. Man. Let's do

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Speaker 1: some news, all right, let's do it. We will start

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Speaker 1: in Carolina. A couple of things going on in Carolina,

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Speaker 1: but we'll start with the biggest news. Uh, Steve Smith,

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Speaker 1: who is the stalwart franchise wide receiver there forever um

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Speaker 1: as we all know, you guys are at the combine

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Speaker 1: and Dave Gettelman the GM race some eyebrows when he

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Speaker 1: uh he said. Asked about Smith's future, said the bottom line,

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Speaker 1: it's part of the evaluation process. Even referred to him

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Speaker 1: in in the past tense by saying Steve's had a

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Speaker 1: great career. As you might imagine, knowing Steve Smith's history,

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Speaker 1: this did not sit well, and he had some comments

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Speaker 1: I'm just taking it one day at a time. I

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Speaker 1: don't really know what's going on, to be honest. Until

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Speaker 1: to process. That's just one sound right. The guy said

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Speaker 1: a lot of interesting things. What are we to make

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Speaker 1: The other part of Steve Smith comments, he talked a

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Speaker 1: Smith's agents keeping that from him, which doesn't really make

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Speaker 1: because he's guaranteed so much money. So I'm confused by

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Speaker 1: They didn't have a chance to have these conversations because

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Speaker 1: will he be back? And he just said, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: and they don't know. And these are the facts that

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Speaker 1: makes sense. Well, I hope they're ready to line up

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Speaker 1: shield that Jordan Gross set up reminds me of the

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Speaker 1: Cheers episode where Cliff coast to Florida and comes back

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Speaker 1: with the you know, the old slide shows, like the

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Speaker 1: Yes it was. It was nice. You know, in fairness

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Speaker 1: to those Panthers fans, Dan, you didn't choose the day

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Speaker 1: that this guy retired after an eleven year career to

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Speaker 1: take a shot at him. Well, and I think the take,

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Speaker 1: what was the big deal? Can't you just let him

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Speaker 1: have some barbershop quartet? Well, it wasn't a barbershop It

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Speaker 1: funerals and well, if you want to go even further

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Speaker 1: The face of your franchise is talking about his football

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Speaker 1: career being in jeopardy. Steve Smith and the best offensive tackle.

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Speaker 1: So two guys I know, Greg Hate Sistern, two guys

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Speaker 1: There's a lot to do in Caroline and Gross said that,

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Speaker 1: us to repeat next year. Moving on, the Tampa Bay

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Speaker 1: Bucks obviously signed Darrell Rivas to that massive contract last year.

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Speaker 1: Is there any chance that Derrel Revas is not on

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Speaker 1: talked about this. When trade reports surface, people in the the

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Speaker 1: know how the Buccaneers stand on Revas. That doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: How how does he fit in your plans. It's a

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Speaker 1: trade that wouldn't make sense for Tampa, for a coaching

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Speaker 1: make sense for anybody because he makes sixteen million a year,

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Speaker 1: which is six mollis Tampa. I'm saying, if they could

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Speaker 1: unload him for the right price, I don't see why

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Speaker 1: you would maybe not do that. Well you're gonna mention

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Speaker 1: he makes six million more than any cornerback in the league.

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Speaker 1: Well that's why I think the answer to dance question

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Speaker 1: talking about an aging player who was making sixteen million

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Speaker 1: be totally shocking. I have a wild suggestion of who

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Speaker 1: be that surprising. But I look at pick someone who

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Speaker 1: half shut down corners Jacksonville, the London Monarchs, the brown

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Speaker 1: get the deal done with Cooper first. However, on the

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Speaker 1: top one oh one, the class of one oh one,

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Speaker 1: Jeremy Macklin rank number twenty nine and Riley Cooper ranked

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Speaker 1: number seventy two. So I ask you, gentlemen, I know

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Speaker 1: Maclin's coming off a knee injury, but is that the

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Speaker 1: only reason why he's Wait, Macklin's coming off a kne injury,

433
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Speaker 1: so why is he? Is he that much better even

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Speaker 1: with a destroyed knee? He's fifty spots better than Friley Cooper,

435
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Speaker 1: who's you know, has done things in his own past.

436
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Speaker 1: We factor a lot and guys he would want to

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Speaker 1: go to concerts. I was gonna say that, Ken, I

438
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Speaker 1: think I see Riley Cooper's emergence as a direct result

439
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Speaker 1: of Chip Kelly's offense in terms of his views at

440
00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:08,720
Speaker 1: Riley Cooper concerts having a breakout season. I'm not sure

441
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Speaker 1: that's transferable to offenses across the NFL. And as a

442
00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,040
Speaker 1: for instance, I would rather have Andre Roberts on my

443
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Speaker 1: team than Riley Cooper. Riley Cooper going into this year

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Speaker 1: with someone that wouldn't even be considered on the top

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Speaker 1: hundred list, and I try to think about that when

446
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Speaker 1: I'm doing these rankings. Don't just rank it off the

447
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Speaker 1: last year, rank it off what we've seen out of

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Speaker 1: their careers. And Macklin is the poster boy for what

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Speaker 1: I was talking about with overrating injuries. I think it's

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Speaker 1: smart to get him on a one year, six million

451
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Speaker 1: dollar contract or whatever he's gonna accept, or maybe even

452
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Speaker 1: try to get him to a multi year deal with

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Speaker 1: for not too much money, because we've seen it young receivers,

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Speaker 1: they can recover from a torn a c L And

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Speaker 1: to me, he is an NFL starter. And that's how

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Speaker 1: I basically did this list and and categorize everyone who's

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Speaker 1: a starter, who's above average, starter who's below average. Macklin

458
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Speaker 1: to me is about an average prime of his career.

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Speaker 1: NFL wide receiver Cooper to me is blowout. And I

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Speaker 1: also look at your number twenty five on this list,

461
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Speaker 1: four spots ahead of Macklin, and I guess this plays

462
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Speaker 1: into Greg at least your viewpoint of getting guys coming

463
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Speaker 1: off bad years, maybe some injury issues, but also in

464
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Speaker 1: the prime of their career. Hakeem Nicks at number twenty five, well,

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Speaker 1: to me, that's low because he's a guy that a

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Speaker 1: few years ago we thought could be a top five

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Speaker 1: to ten receiver, and he showed that sort of game

468
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Speaker 1: breaking ability, and that's about where I put him. I

469
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Speaker 1: don't mean we have him ranked too low, but we

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Speaker 1: do have him ranked below guys like Jason Worlds is

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Speaker 1: twenty two, Everson Griffins one. You know, altar On Verners

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Speaker 1: up at eleven, Jason Hatcher seventeen. So you're already getting

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Speaker 1: a little further down the list where you're getting a

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Speaker 1: bit of a bargain. But a guy that young who

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Speaker 1: has shown that much potential, to me, he's an intriguing guy.

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Speaker 1: On the list of guys who are responsible for the

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Speaker 1: Giant second Super Bowl, Hakeem Nick's ranks possibly first or second,

478
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Speaker 1: So he's shown it. Like Greg said, he's been a

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Speaker 1: game breaker. On the other hand, zero touchdowns. Last year,

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Speaker 1: he was thoroughly outplayed by Reuben Randall, his backup. Uh.

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Speaker 1: I have some issues with that. Do we know? Obviously

482
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Speaker 1: the leg injuries have been a proper part of it.

483
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Speaker 1: Is that explosion gone for good or is it just

484
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Speaker 1: taking a two year highatus like Antonio Gates did. So

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Speaker 1: those are things we can't know. That's why I ranked

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Speaker 1: him closer to thirty than twenty or fifteen. I struggle

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Speaker 1: with we get down into the fifties and you've got

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Speaker 1: Darren McFadden at fifty and down at sixty one. No,

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Speaker 1: Sean moreno two spots above Garrett Blown. I mean moreno

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Speaker 1: to me. Uh. You know, I understand his career fell

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Speaker 1: off for a bit and he had a nice comeback

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Speaker 1: scenario with Denver, but McFadden, I'd really really struggle as

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Speaker 1: a team, uh to give McFadden a longer contract with

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Speaker 1: any hope that he's going to produce. Marino has has

495
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Speaker 1: been a guy who's been talked about every offseason of

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Speaker 1: the last two or three years. The Broncos could possibly

497
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Speaker 1: cut him because he's that far down on their depth chart.

498
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Speaker 1: Nobody believes he's that good out of all the starting

499
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Speaker 1: running backs in the NFL, might run the slowest forty

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Speaker 1: yard dash. I take mcfann because, like Greg explained earlier,

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Speaker 1: we're talking about the last few years, not We're not

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Speaker 1: basing this all onto two thousand, two thirteen season, in

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Speaker 1: which Marino had benefit of playing with Peyton Manning in

504
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Speaker 1: the most explosive offense in the NFL. I think much

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Speaker 1: of Marino's value stems from the offense easiest and what

506
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Speaker 1: what is he exactly? To me, he's a backup or

507
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Speaker 1: a guy you split carries with. He's not a guy

508
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Speaker 1: that you're like, this is Merino's offense. Now, that worked

509
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Speaker 1: out with the Broncos for half the season, but that's

510
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Speaker 1: because they're the Broncos and he can play all three

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Speaker 1: down so that's valuable. It's amazing how low these running

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Speaker 1: backs were, though, as low as that sounds, number fifty

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Speaker 1: McFadden was there number two running back. And we'll break

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Speaker 1: down these free agents by position. That's the right. Ben

515
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Speaker 1: Tait is the highest running back, and that's because Wesseling

516
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:11,479
Speaker 1: had him rather high, and he's number thirty six overall,

517
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Speaker 1: and he kind of fits that. Another Beaker spills one

518
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Speaker 1: more thing on these I think Greg and I think

519
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Speaker 1: alike on this issue. A lot of these guys, we

520
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Speaker 1: want the best case scenario. We want the option of

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Speaker 1: having that if Darren McFadden recaptures two thousand eleven form,

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Speaker 1: he's way better than anything no Sean Marino could possibly

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Speaker 1: ever be. So Jamichael Finley is another guy that we

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Speaker 1: thought about that with he's a risk, but what I'd

525
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Speaker 1: rather take a chance on Finley's best case scenario than

526
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Speaker 1: signed Dennis Pitta. Yes, we had Finley at twenty six

527
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Speaker 1: and we agreed. I was surprised that was one of

528
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Speaker 1: the hardest guys to rank overall, just mixing him in,

529
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Speaker 1: But I did it based on if he's clear to

530
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 1: play totally not fine. That's to play high for a

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Speaker 1: guy that we don't even know if he's gonna play

532
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,399
Speaker 1: again and it's not like injury or it's not a

533
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,159
Speaker 1: a torn bicept. That guy has a neck injury that

534
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 1: is spinal fusion surgery C three, C four, vertebrate, take

535
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 1: take some chances in free agency, Dan, shoot for the mood.

536
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,160
Speaker 1: You could draft the tight end in the third round

537
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: to be an okay back up like your boy Jeff Cumberland.

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Speaker 1: If you're gonna bother to go to free agency and

539
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: you take Julian Edelman, nice safe guy who's been injured

540
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Speaker 1: every year. Alright, scientists, get off my back. Let me

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Speaker 1: let me ask one more question before we move on. UM,

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Speaker 1: if you could break down for some of the disagreements

543
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 1: that the two UH doctors had in terms of UH

544
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 1: maybe Greg had him high, the other guy had him low.

545
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Speaker 1: Who knows tell big disagreements speaking of Edelman, that was

546
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,120
Speaker 1: one of them. I am. I've seen this everywhere where

547
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:02,640
Speaker 1: guys are ranking him in so high just because of volume,

548
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 1: because no one else was around to catch passes for

549
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,879
Speaker 1: Tom Brady last year. Edelman is getting ranked as a

550
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 1: guy everybody wants. Completely annoying the fact that Edelman sat

551
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 1: on the market all off season last year and nobody

552
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 1: wanted him, settled for a one year deal for maybe

553
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: one and a half two million. Nobody wanted the guy.

554
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:20,880
Speaker 1: But I guess this is where the NFL works. It's

555
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 1: all what have you done for me lately? Edelman is

556
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 1: the same player he was two years ago. Andre Roberts

557
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,880
Speaker 1: is a better player than Julian Edelman. No, that's not true.

558
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Speaker 1: Edelman is one of the best you put returners in

559
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 1: NFL history. You get a little, you get hold on

560
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 1: Edelman came into the league having to learn the position.

561
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Speaker 1: I gave him a lot of credit for the development

562
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 1: we've seen. Would you argue that he's he had a

563
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Speaker 1: hundred catches last year because nobody else was help was

564
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 1: health I see what you're saying. I'd also say that

565
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 1: they asked him to do something and he did it

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Speaker 1: very very well. I grouped those receivers all close together,

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Speaker 1: James Jones, Emmanuel sand there's Julian Edelman. They were all

568
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Speaker 1: in that second tier. For me. I didn't have Edelman

569
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Speaker 1: too high. At a month ago, you said James Jones

570
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 1: was better than Eric Decker. Now he's the same as Edelman.

571
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 1: Maurice Jones Drew is a guy that Westley I was

572
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Speaker 1: surprised had very high for a broken down running back

573
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 1: that hasn't done much of anything. I believe he was

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Speaker 1: not in my top fifty. Why did I write him

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Speaker 1: down as a big disagreement because you had him at

576
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Speaker 1: like eighty something. Neither neither of us is that high

577
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 1: on Less just took the Bunsen burner and turned it

578
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Speaker 1: into a blowtorch. Neither of us is that high on him.

579
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Speaker 1: But I think there is some discrepancy there. I he's

580
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Speaker 1: a guy who I thought played better towards the end

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Speaker 1: of last year. I'd sign him as a tandem partner.

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Speaker 1: Would you rather have moreno Mark Sessler or Maurice Jones Drew.

583
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Speaker 1: I would definitely would rather have At this point that

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00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 1: saw what you did. They're stretching out your answer as

585
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: he thought of who you say, putting mg D into

586
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 1: an offense where there's like three other backs pounding the ball.

587
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 1: I don't want him. I don't want to deal m

588
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 1: j D than than Marino. He's got another good year

589
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 1: in him, potentially if you put him behind a team

590
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: that can. Actually was one of the best running backs

591
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Speaker 1: of the last tang years. That was five years ago.

592
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 1: Where is he now? H two years? He led the

593
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Speaker 1: NFL in rushing hurt in two thousands twelve behind one

594
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Speaker 1: of the worst offensive line in the NFL. Issue with

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00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 1: no other uh weapons on. I'd rather take a chance

596
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 1: on a guy named la Garrett Blunt running through defenses

597
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: last year. It's funny you guys have him at sixty three,

598
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Speaker 1: Greg and West. And if let's say because he had

599
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Speaker 1: those two uh amazing games or late in the season,

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00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 1: there's two or three in a row, right, and then

601
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 1: he did nothing in the elimination loss, that elimination loss.

602
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Speaker 1: If he had another great game, would he be like

603
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Speaker 1: in the forties? Would he be way higher? Is that

604
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,479
Speaker 1: one game knock him down? Twin? I didn't rank him

605
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Speaker 1: in my top eight and it probably wouldn't ranked him

606
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: in there no matter what Bunsen Burner blow George. He's

607
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: a one dimensional player who has faded from relevance off

608
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 1: and on throughout his career because he he the fundamentals

609
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: of the game escape him, and I think you have

610
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Speaker 1: to find a coaching staff willing to put up with

611
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: Greggy says the fundamentals of the game of escape him.

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00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 1: At that Dan thinks this segment is so bad that

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Speaker 1: he has to add sound effects and start yelling back

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00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: and forth. It's a good segment, Dan, if you've got

615
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 1: three million dollars sitting around and you don't know what

616
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 1: to do with and go to number seventy five. Josh

617
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: Freeman came up for three million. I really struggled and

618
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 1: worked out well when they him up for three million,

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Speaker 1: it's impossible. In the middle of the season, I really

620
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 1: struggled with where to put Freeman. Do would you rather

621
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Speaker 1: have Freeman than Matt Castle, for instance, or Josh McCown.

622
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 1: And then if you would, how high do you put

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Speaker 1: him in this overall top one hundred do you put

624
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 1: him ahead of? You know, reasonable starters. He's a guy

625
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 1: that's still young, and I had some talent and place

626
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 1: depends on the rest of your roster, specifically at quarterback.

627
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 1: We don't really have that luxury making the top hundreds.

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Speaker 1: Before we move on, I do want to just commend

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Speaker 1: both of you for putting Alex Carrington ahead of Garrett

630
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 1: Graham Graham in my top sixty or Alex Carrington in

631
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: my in my top sixty, but I couldn't put him there. Well,

632
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: he didn't make my top hundred, unfortunately, which is why

633
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: that's the only way to get at the very bottom

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00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: if you're only on one of our lists and not

635
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Speaker 1: the other. So the fact that Ted Gain is number

636
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: I think he's one on one now because we gotta

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00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: add to qual Jackson in there. That means I ranked

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00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: him dead last and Wesley did not rank it. Believes

639
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 1: in Ted gin waiting all year. I'm surprised he like.

640
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Speaker 1: What's not to like about Golden Tate. He's like Hines Ward,

641
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: He's in five in four years of his career. At

642
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 1: no point has he ever been particularly consistent or trustworthy.

643
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: I got a guy who, if you put him on

644
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 1: the Patriots, would blow Julian Edelman out of the water.

645
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 1: Golden Tate is a very good receiver on the run,

646
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: heaviest team in the league, so his numbers don't listen

647
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 1: to the hindes Ward of borderline Hall of Famer. And

648
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 1: you say that Golden Tates of a borderline hall. Yes,

649
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 1: you know what's part of being a pro though, enjoying

650
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: this getting up to speed with your offense, knowing exactly

651
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 1: what they need and what they don't. And I don't

652
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: Golden Tate is a guy when you read between the lines,

653
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 1: listening to Russell Wilson and even the coaches and stuff,

654
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's the guy's been a guy

655
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 1: that's always been exactly on the same page of that

656
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 1: what's going on there? Carol and John Schneider have been

657
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 1: nothing but effusive in the praise of Golden that you

658
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 1: gotta read read between the lines? Well, why were we

659
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 1: reading between the lines? What's this about? Brandon Albert doesn't

660
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 1: care for the game of football? Well, that was offline.

661
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 1: I didn't know that would be brought up. Well, I

662
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 1: had him in the mid Uh, you know, West will

663
00:33:53,600 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 1: speak his mind. Brandon Albert your eventually guy. I just

664
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: want to let you know, but go ahead. You had

665
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: Brandon Albert ranked eighth. I had the sixteen or seventeen.

666
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 1: I think there's been questions within the chiefs, within the league.

667
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 1: Is he a guy that you want to give a big,

668
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: long term contract too. Is he a guy that showed

669
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: up every day of his career and is known for

670
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: being the hardest working guy there in the room and

671
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 1: having a great work ethic and wanting to be great?

672
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: Is he that guy that's interesting than I am? So

673
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,800
Speaker 1: maybe you know more. You can't be the hardest working

674
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 1: guy when you've got Twayne Bow in that room. I'm

675
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 1: taking Jared Valdeer over him. This is not the Monroe.

676
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 1: This is not the end of our talk about this

677
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: list and free agents. In fact, on Friday, we're gonna

678
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:44,359
Speaker 1: cook We're gonna cook up some type of game. I'm

679
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 1: gonna put my wink Martindale tie on and we're gonna

680
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:51,800
Speaker 1: go to go to town on this. You'll be producing

681
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,359
Speaker 1: damn showing no time. It's wink tie wink. I don't

682
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: like the sound of that. All right, let's move on.

683
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 1: That was good, guys, everybody, Okay, that seems we got

684
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 1: a little hot. Oh that was nothing. Wait till we

685
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: have our Top ten Safeties segment coming up. I'll pot up. Wait,

686
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 1: you had Malcolm Jenkins below. Thomas Day could give me

687
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: a break, Wesseling, Oh, we have to throw Dad on

688
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 1: the list too. I thought it was Day too. You pronounced.

689
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:20,359
Speaker 1: I thought it was a silent Do you believe it's

690
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: dead coup? That would be the French pronuncies. I pronounced

691
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 1: things in the French way. Always all right? Moving on

692
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: by friends who mean abnormal? Yes, exactly. Off season forecasts.

693
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: We're gonna start with the team that entered the two

694
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 1: thousand thirteen season as the defending champion didn't even make

695
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 1: the playoffs. Of course, that is the Baltimore Ravens. Mark

696
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 1: Sessler wrote our off season forecast on our site, so

697
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 1: I will open it up. Mark the forecast for the

698
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 1: Ravens partly sunny with storm clouds potentially rolling in. Well,

699
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 1: they're in better situation than they were a year ago

700
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: when they had literally almost no cap froom and they

701
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:04,760
Speaker 1: were in hot water. And remember how we were. I

702
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: set you up with a weather forecast. I wanted you

703
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: to mark on that, but she just rolled right over.

704
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 1: Listen not maybe not the most seamless transition of all time.

705
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: I feel like we got a lot of our news

706
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 1: for the Ravens at the combine and leading up to it,

707
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: because it's clear that their biggest free agents, they are

708
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 1: prioritizing getting either a deal done for Pitta or he's

709
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 1: getting close to a no brainer for the Tag. Potentially,

710
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: they're very hot on resigning Eugene Monroe at their at

711
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 1: their tackle spot, and I think they want to make

712
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,839
Speaker 1: him their long term left tackle. And it sounds like

713
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: the one one question was Daryl Smith. I thought they

714
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 1: did a very nice job for them last year, played

715
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,359
Speaker 1: the second most amount of snaps on their defense. They

716
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,800
Speaker 1: want him back too, and you know, then it bleeds

717
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: into guys that if they don't get them back, Guys

718
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,879
Speaker 1: like Michael or in Daus Clark, all these people who

719
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 1: cares if they don't come back, he's totally gone. They

720
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 1: don't even want to back. They're gonna do what they

721
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: do what's just smart. They're going to be active in

722
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: free agency. They said that, but that includes signing their

723
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,720
Speaker 1: own guys really number one. And if they do anything

724
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 1: outside of that, I think it's going to be more

725
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 1: filling holes with stuff that makes sense. The Ravens way,

726
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 1: they don't go out and blow you away with deals

727
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 1: for guys who shouldn't get those deals. What do you

728
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:21,839
Speaker 1: what's their biggest needs? Overhauling the rushing attack. I wrote

729
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 1: about that this morning, and John Hardball said he needed

730
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,879
Speaker 1: to just overhaul the whole thing offensive line. He wants

731
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 1: to add running backs, which seemed peculiar to me when

732
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: you have Ray Rice and Bernard Pierce. But maybe it's

733
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 1: a message to them that three yards per carry isn't enough.

734
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 1: And we don't I don't think we can watch say

735
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 1: that we watch offensive line play and we can dissect

736
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,879
Speaker 1: how everyone's doing game to game or what they're can

737
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 1: outside of greg But Geno greg Kowski at center is

738
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 1: not fit to be a starter. And I think that

739
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 1: a lot of their pressure came right up through the

740
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 1: middle of that line last year. Would you say that

741
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 1: was because he was a first time starter and he

742
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: got gradually better at year went along, or the fact

743
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:07,359
Speaker 1: that he was making the calls for a not an

744
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: easy job to take off at the start. But I

745
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 1: just think that they that's in general, the line needs

746
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 1: a lot of help, and there's gonna be a lot

747
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:19,800
Speaker 1: of turnover again, and they have a new offensive system,

748
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 1: and you mentioned Monroe is a priority. I could see

749
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:26,359
Speaker 1: Monroe leaving in a heartbeat, just like we thought Paul

750
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:28,800
Speaker 1: Krueger or ller B. Maybe one of them could have

751
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:32,280
Speaker 1: stayed last year. Neither of them did. We have Monroe

752
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: in our top five free agents overall in all of

753
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: free agency, So if he doesn't get the tag and

754
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 1: he's this close to free agency, it wouldn't shock me.

755
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 1: If Eugene Monroe is the highest paid free agent this offseason.

756
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 1: He might have a tough time keeping him. And then

757
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 1: maybe or has gone and you got no tackles. You've

758
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 1: got Geno at center. That's a problem. He said, You're

759
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 1: not getting in any discount, not a hometown when it's

760
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 1: always been his hometown for one season. He's not gonna

761
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 1: come easy. I think he's gonna go out and get

762
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 1: the money once. Let me ask you a question, Mark

763
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: and West. The story you did today, the story you

764
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 1: did wednesday, um about the overhauling the running game. We

765
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: hear the support from the new coordinator and from Ozzie

766
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: Knewsome that Ray Rice is a major part. Is there

767
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: anyway this guy is cut? Could it happen? Well? I mean,

768
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 1: I think I think a lot of things can happen

769
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 1: right now that would seem improbable. But no, I I

770
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: think Ray Rice is in the plans, and I think

771
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 1: that you know, they already happened. They must know the

772
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: bulk of what occurred in that incident. They've seen Ozzie Knew,

773
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 1: some cities scened video of it, and they said that

774
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 1: they talked with Ray Rice and that they're satisfied with

775
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 1: his side of the story. But if it goes off

776
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,799
Speaker 1: some legal mountain cliff, then that video gets out of

777
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: him potentially change a lot of things. The Ravens, like

778
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:49,760
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, they've kept on, They've kept guys

779
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:53,320
Speaker 1: in the past with questionable legal They've been so strong

780
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 1: and supporting Rice. There's no reason to question. Is Ray

781
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:58,839
Speaker 1: Rice in the NFL at the age of thirty? How

782
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 1: old is he right now? Seven? M M. It's a

783
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 1: good question, right question. Thanks, I'm gonna go now now, Almo,

784
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 1: you don't see him rebounding from almost as anti climactic

785
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 1: as uh as blind Side to which is going to

786
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: be coming out the sequel, and it ends with Michael

787
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 1: ore ranked fifty five in our top one second string

788
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 1: guard of the Cardinals. All of you Dynasty Fantasy football

789
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 1: leaguers out there, Greg Rosenthal just advised you to trade

790
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: ray Rice as soon as possible. Is that not already happening? Well,

791
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: I think there will be a lot of people that

792
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 1: would say the smart move will be to buy low

793
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 1: coming off like a worst case scenario year he was

794
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 1: injured all less years. How old is he? He's really

795
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 1: only twenty six? Come on, you guys are just making

796
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:49,839
Speaker 1: things right now. Ray Rice is twenty seven. He won't

797
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 1: turn twenty eight until next January. That would mean that

798
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 1: would mean he needs to get to three more NFL

799
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 1: seasons to prove me wrong. Before we move on mark

800
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 1: offseason crystal Ball time. What will happen with the Ravens

801
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 1: this offseason heading toward September. Well, I think they're gonna

802
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 1: resign Pitta, and I think they're gonna get Smith back.

803
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: I think that Greg is right that Monroe is gonna

804
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 1: be tougher than they thought draftwise. You know, there's another

805
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 1: big need for Baltimore is wide receiver help. I think

806
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 1: that they're going there's a it's a great draft for

807
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 1: the for the receiver class from what we're hearing in

808
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 1: that uh they need You know that the Bolden trade

809
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: did not work out for them. Last year. They we

810
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 1: saw an opening opening week against the Broncos. They were

811
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: throwing to Stokely and other bizarre characters that just made

812
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 1: the Ravens look like they were on an average age

813
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 1: of fifty seven years old. They and you know, they

814
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 1: need a guy that can come in and do what

815
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 1: Bolden did and let Torry Smith do what he does.

816
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 1: It's amazing. That's been a need for them every offseason

817
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 1: for a decade. Yeah, there's never been a point it's like,

818
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 1: we gotta get rid of Mark Clayton. We got to

819
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: get rid of this guy. There's been no point in

820
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 1: the last second where it hasn't been in need. And

821
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 1: now you've got Jakobe Jones and DAWs A free agents.

822
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:11,399
Speaker 1: Just you know, you're suddenly their whole franchise. Really, when

823
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 1: have they ever had that species on their teeth? Well,

824
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 1: they have Tory Smith, which works, Michael they won a

825
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: Super Bowl with with a pretty good combo, and then

826
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 1: they broke it up a little bit for they had

827
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 1: no quarterback and no receivers. Moving on another a f

828
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 1: C team, the Kansas City Chiefs, obviously coming off a

829
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 1: bounce back season which they made the playoffs, lost that

830
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 1: heartbreaker to the Colts when Andrew Luck went nuts in

831
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 1: the second half. They head into a new season, it

832
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like there will be a lot of changes um.

833
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: If anything, maybe a philosophical shift on offense I began

834
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 1: as a season progressed Chris Westling. I ask you, it

835
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: appears like it's mostly sunny with a chance of glory.

836
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 1: I don't see many chances of because of season forecast.

837
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 1: I don't know if I go by glory. Everyone just

838
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 1: refusing your weather. This is not in an That's why

839
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 1: I know this one win the award for running bit

840
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,760
Speaker 1: that has received the least amount of support from the group.

841
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 1: Wouldn't be the first one. UM be in a wide

842
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 1: open a f C where the Broncos could come back

843
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 1: to Earth and Tom Brady is, you know, getting older?

844
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:25,879
Speaker 1: Why can't the Chiefs be the team that comes out

845
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: of a f C? Aren't they isn't their potential for glory?

846
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I don't see it. Do you believe that?

847
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 1: I do? I think the AC is wide open. I

848
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 1: think they had an easy schedule last year, played a

849
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 1: little over their heads early on. We're an uneven team

850
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 1: and they seem like they'll be similar next year and

851
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 1: they still are a team. If Jamal Jamal Charles gets hurt,

852
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 1: they're done. They have a lot of questions in free agency.

853
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 1: They have a lot of issues to solve for a

854
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 1: team that you would think they're sort of rebuilding, but

855
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 1: really they have the problems of a veteran type of team.

856
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 1: So what who are the biggest agents right now? Well,

857
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 1: Brandon Albert by far is their biggest and if they

858
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,439
Speaker 1: don't lock him up, you know, Greg pointed out, they've

859
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 1: been hesitant to do so the Dolphins and Cardinals are

860
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 1: waiting to snatch him up and we'll we'll pay extra

861
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:15,359
Speaker 1: for Greg doesn't even like hearing that name come up.

862
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 1: I had him in the top twenty. He's fine, just disgusted.

863
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 1: Who else the Dolphins have to be happy not to

864
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 1: have traded for him last year, by the way, not

865
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 1: then get him for after that. They've got some borderline

866
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: starters like Tyson Jackson, Dexter mccluster, and a couple of

867
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 1: guards in John A. Samoa Samoa I don't know how

868
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 1: he's pronounced it, and Jeff Sports. So their offensive line

869
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 1: have some issues they're gonna have to, you know, and

870
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 1: they had a guy like Eric Fisher who came in

871
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 1: and then didn't exactly blow the doors off as a

872
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:50,359
Speaker 1: number one overall pick. I don't like teams where, like

873
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 1: you said, easy schedule to some degree, found themselves in

874
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 1: the a f C. West at the right time and

875
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 1: they're in the rest of their schedule played out a well.

876
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 1: They had one of those years where everything right went

877
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 1: went right. Turnover wise, you you net a ton of turnovers,

878
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 1: you gave up a very few either. That's who they

879
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 1: are and that helps. But a lot of times those

880
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 1: are the teams in the next year they have four,

881
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 1: three or four fewer wins, all right, So what they

882
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 1: started scoring about forty points a game though, that gives me.

883
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 1: That gives me some hope that they could be good.

884
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: But you kind of glossed over it West though they

885
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 1: got to replace the other guys. They have a lot

886
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: of starter Tyson. Jackson was a pretty good player for them.

887
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 1: I was surprised he didn't rank them a little higher.

888
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 1: Not to get back into that, I mean he was

889
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 1: he was a solid three four starter for them. They

890
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 1: have two offensive line starters who played pretty well. Kendrick Lewis,

891
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 1: who maybe he's not great, but he's a young in

892
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 1: his prime starter. That's a lot of starters that they

893
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 1: have to replace, maybe five or six of them. Well,

894
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 1: I think a lot of those guys are below average starters.

895
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 1: That's why I probably lost over. I think Kendrick Lewis

896
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 1: might not even get a starting job on the open market.

897
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 1: West openly insults like twelve NFL players the West one

898
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 1: of their biggest needs. Well, they're gonna have the reshuffle

899
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 1: or tweaked that offensive line. That to me seems like

900
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 1: a big need. Dwayne bow if he's lost forever as

901
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: a number one receiver, that's a need. Tight ends a need.

902
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 1: But they're probably counting on Kelsey to come back healthy

903
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 1: this year and take that role. So those would be

904
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: I would think the biggest needs. It is at um

905
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: NFL Honors when Dan and I had the assignment of

906
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 1: kind of grabbing these guys coming down the red carpet

907
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: and annoying them because they were trying to have a

908
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 1: pleasant night where they weren't being badgered by anyone, but

909
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 1: we were trying to do our our thing. And I

910
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 1: grant it again next year too. Well, no, listen, I

911
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: grabbed Jamal Charles and it is funny because I asked

912
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:40,760
Speaker 1: him if you felt that the Chiefs had been overlooked

913
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: for what they did late in the season on offense,

914
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 1: and he said, you have to realize we didn't really

915
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 1: as a as a group, learn really what we were

916
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 1: supposed to do on offense the way Reid want us

917
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:52,360
Speaker 1: to till week nine, ten eleven. And he's like, I

918
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 1: think you're gonna see us to do that from the start,

919
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 1: and they were on fire down the stretch. Well, I

920
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:58,839
Speaker 1: think we haven't even mentioned Alex Smith to this point.

921
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 1: I think players would tend to credit the fact that

922
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 1: the playbook wasn't open enough, when in reality it was

923
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 1: more of a game momentum situation when you had to

924
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 1: start passing more because your defense was allowing more points.

925
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 1: I think that's really what happened. And Alex Smith, Yeah,

926
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 1: we we haven't really talked about him, but this is

927
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 1: a guy. Now we've now seen it on the biggest

928
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 1: stage in the playoffs twice now where he's had just

929
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: these masterful games. Are we confident that he's a guy

930
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 1: that they can really power their offense through along with

931
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 1: Jamal Chas or is he always going to be a

932
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 1: guy that's complimentary. I feel better about Alex Smith right

933
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 1: now than I have in any stage in his career,

934
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 1: which is now going on what eight or nine years

935
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 1: two thousand. That's saying a lot. I think he's clearly

936
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 1: on the good side of the Andy Dalton scale. I

937
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 1: think he's reached the point where you can say, this

938
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 1: guy is my franchise quarterback. He's not a high end

939
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 1: franchise quarterback. I think they're gonna give him more money

940
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 1: this offseason, and I think dans Dan's raised a good point.

941
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 1: He's been in the playoffs a couple of times now

942
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 1: and he's had two of the better playoff games of

943
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 1: any quarterback. I mean, it's like you look at a

944
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 1: team like good Bengals and we can't get out of

945
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 1: that Bengals preview without going all over the Dalton thing.

946
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 1: I think with the chief, Smith is who he is

947
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 1: and there's no reason to move on from him and

948
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 1: replace him this season. And he's perfect. But that's like

949
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 1: what kind of what I was saying, was like, who

950
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 1: is he? Have we been underestimating him? And should we

951
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 1: just take the shackles off? And he doesn't have the

952
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:32,839
Speaker 1: arm for he was carving people up for about half

953
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 1: a season. Nick Foles did that, and people want runner to,

954
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:40,360
Speaker 1: don't you think. I think he's he's one of the

955
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 1: top five or six runners in the NFL. So not

956
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 1: to dig back in on the eighties sco because we

957
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 1: gotta go soon. But does that make him? What is

958
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:50,760
Speaker 1: he a top fifteen back end of the top fifteen

959
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 1: if you were talking about franchise quarterbacks. Off the top

960
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 1: of my head, I'd say fifteen is fair. Fifteen to twenty.

961
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 1: I think Dalton is right around eighteen or nineteen right now,

962
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: or twenty or something. M hmm, alright, gentlemen. I brought

963
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 1: up that there's an outside chance at the after Dalton scale,

964
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: and I'm breaking this news to you guys. I don't

965
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 1: know if you'll even be cool with it. Since I

966
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 1: basically stole it from West I I I gave him

967
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 1: the credit. Well, this was initially a fan idea. I

968
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:27,799
Speaker 1: brought it up. They do those top ten shows for

969
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 1: NFL films, and they did top ten quarterback teases and

970
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 1: number seven on the list was Andy Dalton. So I

971
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: went on a rant about the after Dalton scale. So

972
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 1: maybe it's going global. You get a television spot and

973
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 1: just completely crib Wesleyan's I mentioned the podcast, which probably

974
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 1: guarantees it won't we won't get on the show. Wait

975
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:53,800
Speaker 1: so you did more of those TV things? Yeah, in Indianapolis.

976
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 1: Why Mark and I weren't invited to do this? You

977
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 1: guys are in a suit. It's funny how you guys

978
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:03,359
Speaker 1: didn't even find out until right now, because they were

979
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 1: probably like, hey, Greg, we'd love to also get whoever

980
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 1: else is there? Mark West, I'm sure Dan there is

981
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:10,839
Speaker 1: there to get all you guys on markets like, yeah,

982
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 1: I'll tell him, and then he shows up and then

983
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:14,760
Speaker 1: there it's like, oh were the other guys they couldn't

984
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:16,839
Speaker 1: make it. They're not feeling like, hey, there's always there's

985
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 1: always next year. It's not that big of a deal.

986
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 1: The cat's out of the bag now. It actually you

987
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 1: guys never came up. That's the satue it right. I've

988
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 1: seen some of the jokers they have on there. I

989
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 1: know you wouldn't think of be a hard like the

990
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 1: Scar Brothers are on like every single countdown. We can't

991
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 1: get on there anyway, all right, we gotta go. Um,

992
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:39,799
Speaker 1: we'll be back on Friday and we'll talk some more

993
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 1: free agents and news and all the stuff we do,

994
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 1: and we have a guest next week in studio which

995
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:48,359
Speaker 1: will will reveal, but until then, this is Dan Hanson

996
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 1: signing up for the Mailman, the Sizzler, the Boss, and

997
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 1: the gold standard behind the glass until fro