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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Giants Little Podcast, brought

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Speaker 1: to you by Citizens, the official bank of the Giants.

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Speaker 1: I am John Schmelk. It is our normal Friday podcast,

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna have Bob Poppa, the voice of the Giants,

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Speaker 1: with the head coach of the Giants, Mike Kafka. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna be joined for a fun Patriots preview. We welcome

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Speaker 1: back Brian Hoyer to the Giants Total Podcast. Former Patriots

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Speaker 1: quarterback does a good job now covering the Patriots up

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Speaker 1: there in New England. We'll talk about the Patriots and

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Speaker 1: even get a little Giants offense stuff out of Brian

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Speaker 1: Hoyer as well. But we are gonna lead off with

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Speaker 1: our player interview and that is my chat with Giant

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Speaker 1: safety Javon Holland. Welcome to another of the Giants Tottle Podcast,

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Speaker 1: brought to you by Citizens, the official Bank of the Giants.

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Speaker 1: I'm John Schmelk. Thrilled to be joined today by a

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Speaker 1: Giant safety, Jevon Holland. Javan what's up man?

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Speaker 2: What's going on?

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Speaker 3: Nothing much?

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Speaker 1: Well, while going on with you guys, new defensive coordinator.

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Speaker 1: Giants decided to move on from Shane Bowen. They install

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Speaker 1: Charlie Bowen as DC. We're doing this interview on Wednesday afternoons.

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Speaker 1: You've had a couple of meetings with him, You've had

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Speaker 1: a practice. What's been kind of the vibe that Charlie

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Speaker 1: Bowen's given off so far as DC.

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Speaker 4: He's been giving off a very positive vibe. I think,

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Speaker 4: you know, it's been good for the team, the defense,

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Speaker 4: just you know, hearing a different voice. You know, we're

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Speaker 4: we're kind of just everybody's bought in, you know, to

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Speaker 4: think with coaching changes sometimes you know, things can kind

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Speaker 4: of follow the wayside, everybody's kind of chaotic. But I

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Speaker 4: think we've done a good job of keeping everybody on

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Speaker 4: board and you know, everybody buying into, you know, one goal.

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Speaker 2: So I think it's I think it's going well.

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Speaker 1: How would you describe Charlie's personality.

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Speaker 4: I think he's just a ball coach. Honestly, He's just

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Speaker 4: like straightforward. There's nothing like out of the norm or

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Speaker 4: strange or anything like that. He just you know, he

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Speaker 4: loves football, He likes you know, loves his teammates and

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Speaker 4: his players even more, and he wants us to go

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Speaker 4: out there and ball. So I think he exemplifies that

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Speaker 4: through how he's talking to us, how he's you know,

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Speaker 4: explaining what we want to do and whatnot. So yeah,

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Speaker 4: I think he just loves football.

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Speaker 1: Heading into week thirteen, you're not going to scrap a

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Speaker 1: defense and start something over and do stuff crazy different, right,

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Speaker 1: But do you expect some tweaks maybe, you know, frequency

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Speaker 1: of doing certain things and certain dwan and distances. How

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Speaker 1: many changes should fans expect from just the schematics of

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Speaker 1: this when we get to Monday night.

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Speaker 4: In terms of my job, I'm gonna be doing my

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Speaker 4: job however effective I can, uh for you know, what

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Speaker 4: they asked me to do.

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Speaker 2: So uh, I don't.

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Speaker 4: I don't expect anything for my job to switch or

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Speaker 4: change or anything like that. I'm going to be doing

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Speaker 4: exactly what they say. So whatever it may be, I'm

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Speaker 4: go out there and do it.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned the guys kind of flown with it. You know,

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Speaker 1: you got to change sometimes it can you know, mix

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Speaker 1: things up a little bit. You went through this two

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Speaker 1: weeks ago with Mike Kafka taking oversid coach, right, So

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Speaker 1: was it a little easier to hit the ground running

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Speaker 1: with this change given the huge change you had just

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you could say that you're a little bit more

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Speaker 4: comfortable with it, but but honestly, like, at the end

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Speaker 4: of the day, we still got, you know, a job

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Speaker 4: to do. So of course, whether it's the head coach,

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Speaker 4: the DC, whatever the change may be, you know, I

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Speaker 4: still gotta go out on Wednesday and practice hard Tuesday

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Speaker 4: and you know execute. So if you kind of like

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Speaker 4: zoom out and see the big picture, yeah, you know,

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Speaker 4: things move around, schedule whatnot. But if you're you know,

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Speaker 1: For even though the final result maybe having been what

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Speaker 1: you guys would have liked, it still seems to me,

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Speaker 1: at least watching rewatching the game on Monday every day

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Speaker 1: every week, teams still play hard. What is it about

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Speaker 1: the personality of the locker room and the guys in

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's a very positive, neutral self talk environment,

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Speaker 4: not necessarily you know, getting down on ourselves or getting

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Speaker 4: we don't have success. I think it's important to see,

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Speaker 4: reemphasize that aspect and then but also pat ourselves on

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Speaker 4: the back for you know, playing goodball in certain aspects

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Speaker 4: and we don't have to. You know, sometimes when when

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Speaker 4: you get into certain situations where you know you don't

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Speaker 4: be shifted, and I think that we're not doing that.

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Speaker 4: I think we're doing a good job of, uh, kind

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Speaker 4: of just tightening the hatch even more, you know, trying

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Speaker 4: emphasizing that specific area, not necessarily moving anything us around.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean, we're playing good defense and then

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Speaker 4: you know, we just kind of fall short. So it's

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Speaker 4: just a figure figure it out kind of game.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 4: I've been on the other side of these games where

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Speaker 4: you know you're you're working hard, you practice all week,

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Speaker 4: you go into the game and you might mess up

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Speaker 4: it's kind of you know, on the line, and then

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Speaker 4: you get the win. You know, it's like, all right, cool,

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Speaker 4: we got to win next week, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: So it's any given Sunday in the league for sure.

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Speaker 1: All Right, you talk about trying to fix up and

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Speaker 1: come up short. What do you think some of the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's definitely.

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Speaker 4: I think for me personally, I think I have to

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Speaker 4: more effective rate, communicate more, you know, during the week

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Speaker 4: and in terms of like my my game prep, sharing

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Speaker 2: Group that I have that that.

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Speaker 4: Here's my voice, bring them along and making sure that

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Speaker 4: we're on our you know, p's and q's.

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Speaker 1: Is there a secret sauce to closing games out as

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Speaker 1: put the sauce on already. So but is there is

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Speaker 1: there an intangible aspect to it to closing out some

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Speaker 1: of these games you guys haven't been able to close out,

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Speaker 4: I mean, there are definitely, there's definitely like a way

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Speaker 2: It's hard to do obviously because obviously it's hard to do.

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Speaker 4: But I mean, every situation you know in the game

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Speaker 4: think just you know, handling the chaos is kind of

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Speaker 4: when when teams are successful in those situations they had

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Speaker 1: Well, the run defense, I'm sure another area you guys

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Speaker 1: sure is to not allow that ten or fifteen yard

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Speaker 4: I think just you know, slowing down a little bit,

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Speaker 4: think that when people start to you know, make a

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Speaker 4: think everybody just kind of needs to like slow down

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Speaker 4: you know, when that happens and the communication is correct

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Speaker 1: You've had a bunch of rotating pieces in the secondary,

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Speaker 1: whether corner of Paulson has been out, you were out

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Speaker 1: for a while, then Newbman was out, and now you

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Speaker 1: What has it been like trying to keep that communication

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Speaker 4: I think, you know, we practice and we were in

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Speaker 4: Uh So when you know those new guys coming in

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Speaker 4: I don't think it's necessarily a fall off. I think

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Speaker 4: they're making plays while doing it.

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Speaker 2: So I'm definitely proud of them.

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Speaker 3: You got your takeaway last week.

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Speaker 1: You got to pick take us through that play and

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Speaker 1: how you got it.

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Speaker 4: Uh yeah, we were just in like a strong side

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Speaker 4: ended up like backing up a little bit because I

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Speaker 4: kind of felt like they were trying to run a

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Speaker 4: I just been I've been running to the ball these

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Speaker 4: last you know, I've been running the ball the whole game,

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Speaker 4: the whole year, but uh these last couple of weeks

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Speaker 4: in practice, I've been getting some picks, and so I

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Speaker 4: just had a feeling that the ball is gonna come

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Speaker 4: I knew that the ball is gonna end up coming

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Speaker 4: the air, tips and overthrows. I seen it and I

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Speaker 1: I know it was a defense. You guys want to

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Speaker 1: get more takeaways. How much of that is just getting

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Speaker 1: as many guys to the ball as possible, maybe to

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Speaker 4: They got Austin Hooper, Stanford guy, uh ramondre they got

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Speaker 4: Man Mac Collins. Mack is like a just like a

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I think it's gonna be a fun game.

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Speaker 1: Final one on on Drake May he was a rookie

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Speaker 1: You still get pumped up for primetime games a little

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Speaker 1: But it's good to get to buy after Monday night

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Speaker 2: Then with yeah, yeah that is cool, that is cool.

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Speaker 1: What's your go through Thanksgiving food?

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Speaker 4: You can say traditional you know, mac and cheese, ham turkey.

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Speaker 3: So is that your go to side?

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Speaker 4: I mean candy aams, mac and cheese and collar greens

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Speaker 2: What's it called greens? Yeah? Green?

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Speaker 4: Sorry, some people go stream beings. But I'm a greens,

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Speaker 4: mac and cheese, candy ams type of guy.

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Speaker 1: is a former Patriots quarterback. He does a good job

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Speaker 1: covering them up in New England. Here's my conversation with him.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to another.

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Speaker 1: Edition of The Giants Little Podcast, brought to you by Citizens,

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Speaker 1: the official Bank of the Giants.

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Speaker 3: John Smoke with you.

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Speaker 1: Thrilled to welcome back for the second time this year,

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Speaker 1: former NFL quarterback Brian Hoyer. He came on to talk

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Speaker 1: with us about Jackson Dard a couple months ago and

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Speaker 1: now he had so much fun, wanted to do it again.

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Speaker 1: Preview the Patriots match up on Monday night. Brian, Hope

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Speaker 1: you had a great Thanksgiving man, How are you?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, same to you, John. I'm back here in Cleveland,

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Speaker 7: Ohiolan and actually a snowstorm right now. Which is you know,

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Speaker 3: Well, it makes you feel any better.

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Speaker 1: When I asked the little home assistant what the weather

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Speaker 3: In New York.

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Speaker 7: So there we go.

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Speaker 3: It is cold here.

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Speaker 1: As well, and I imagine there's gonna be some weather

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Speaker 1: on Monday night when the Giants and Patriots play. Night

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Speaker 1: games in Foxboro are always interesting. What should Giant fans

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Speaker 7: Yeah? I do think they're real. And people might call

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Speaker 7: McDaniel's coming back. You couldn't have asked for someone better

441
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Speaker 7: to be in the room with Drake May And it's why.

442
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Speaker 7: And I'm not going to take anything away from Drake.

443
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Speaker 7: Drake has done a tremendous job working on his own

444
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Speaker 7: and he was always super talented, but spending an off

445
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Speaker 7: season with Josh learning the system, and Josh has done

446
00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:56,960
Speaker 7: a good job, to his credit, of adapting his offense

447
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Speaker 7: to what Drake does really well and what the players

448
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Speaker 7: he has does do really well. And so I do

449
00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:03,920
Speaker 7: think they're for real. And the one reason I say

450
00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:07,800
Speaker 7: that is some of the closest teams that I played

451
00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:09,800
Speaker 7: on were the best teams and they happen to be

452
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Speaker 7: here in New England. And this team is very close.

453
00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:16,280
Speaker 7: They're very tight knit. They've they've kind of embraced this.

454
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Speaker 7: Everybody's doubting them, you know, even though we're ten and two.

455
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Speaker 7: People are saying, no, it's to strength of schedule or

456
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Speaker 7: they're going to hit a wall. And I will say this.

457
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Speaker 7: They beat the Bengals in a game that you would

458
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Speaker 7: have hoped would have been a little bit better by them,

459
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Speaker 7: but they lost a lot, they had some key injuries. Right,

460
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Speaker 7: So this Giants game makes me a little nervous because

461
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Speaker 7: I look at, you know, the turmoil that they've been through.

462
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Speaker 7: You know, you fire the defensive coordinator last week, and

463
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Speaker 7: I've been on some of those teams too, and sometimes

464
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Speaker 7: when you have nothing to lose and you're as talented

465
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Speaker 7: as the Giants are, that's kind of walking into I

466
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Speaker 7: don't even want to use the word trap game. It's like,

467
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Speaker 7: you know, you're walking in against a talented defense obviously

468
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Speaker 7: Brian Burns and Thibodeau and Abdul Carter and Sexy Decks,

469
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Speaker 7: Like you're down a few linemen and you got a

470
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Speaker 7: new defensive cornertor what are you supposed to prepare for?

471
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Speaker 7: Not that he can change the entire scheme in a

472
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Speaker 7: matter of a week, but it's kind of a wild

473
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Speaker 7: card and it does make me nervous going into this

474
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Speaker 7: Monday Night.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, locked unpackeddw Let's start with the offensive line. In yours,

476
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Speaker 1: you mentioned that the Patriots the left side of their

477
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Speaker 1: offensive line two rookies that have played pretty well this year, four.

478
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Speaker 3: Rookies are not going to be there.

479
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Speaker 1: How is that going to impact how the Patriots operate

480
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Speaker 1: their offense and just how they're going to look on

481
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Speaker 1: Monday Night?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: I said this in a few things that I cover

484
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Speaker 7: about the Patriots this week. The one thing, and this

485
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Speaker 7: goes back to Josh McDaniels, like Josh is not just

486
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Speaker 7: going to go in there and be like, oh, you know,

487
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Speaker 7: we got to replace these two guys. We're just going

488
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Speaker 7: to run our plays. He's going to be very mindful

489
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Speaker 7: of how he calls the plays. He's going to be

490
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Speaker 7: very mindful of you know who's in the game for

491
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Speaker 7: the Giants is Brian Burns over on the sideline. Okay,

492
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Speaker 7: now maybe we have an opportunity to take a shot

493
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Speaker 7: down the field. I would imagine going into this game

494
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Speaker 7: the message to Drake and the offense this week is,

495
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Speaker 7: fellas like, the strength of the Giants defense is four

496
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Speaker 7: front seven. If we call pass play, the ball's got

497
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Speaker 7: to come out, Like Drake, we cannot hold the ball

498
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Speaker 7: on these quick drop back passes or quick game when

499
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Speaker 7: I call a certain play into the huddle and you

500
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Speaker 7: guys hear it and it's oh, it's a jam protection

501
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Speaker 7: and the routes are downfield, like this is the opportunity

502
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Speaker 7: to try to hit those We're not going to try

503
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Speaker 7: to do that when you know their NASCAR packages out

504
00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:25,119
Speaker 7: there on the field and they got their four elite

505
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Speaker 7: pass rushers and we have a whole new left side

506
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Speaker 7: of the line playing so that's where like having a

507
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Speaker 7: guy with the experience that Josh has, that's why you

508
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Speaker 7: hired him. You could out go out and hire some

509
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Speaker 7: sexy young guy of the West Coast system who's up

510
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Speaker 7: and comer. But this is where Josh's experience is going

511
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Speaker 7: to pay off because the way he's going to develop

512
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Speaker 7: that game plan this week.

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Speaker 1: You know, Brian, it's funny because I think the outside

514
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Speaker 1: impression of Josh McDaniels, flexible would not be a word

515
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Speaker 1: that I think people.

516
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Speaker 3: Would ascribe to him. But how has he been flexible?

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Speaker 1: You mentioned how he really has adopted his offense to

518
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Speaker 1: Drake May. Strength for someone that lived in that offense

519
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Speaker 1: and knows what it looked like with Tom Brady, how has.

520
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Speaker 3: He adjusted it so that it works for Drake May.

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Speaker 7: It's kind of funny that I hear that narrative because

522
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Speaker 7: of all the team's coaches offensive coordinators I play with,

523
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Speaker 7: Josh has always been the most flexible. Now it's been

524
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Speaker 7: within the system, and so there's been some things this

525
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Speaker 7: year that you've seen that maybe weren't a part of

526
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Speaker 7: the offense when Tom Brady was a quarterback, but when

527
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Speaker 7: Mac Jones was the quarterback, there were certain things that

528
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Speaker 7: I saw I was there, when Cam Newton was there.

529
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Speaker 7: It was very flexible, and honestly, I would always say this,

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Speaker 7: The beauty of that system is that it's so flexible

531
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Speaker 7: that from week to week it can go from one

532
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Speaker 7: system to the other, as opposed to sometimes being in

533
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Speaker 7: that West Coast scheme, it's like they're going to run

534
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Speaker 7: the same plays. They may look a little different, but

535
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Speaker 7: the play is the play and so when a team

536
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Speaker 7: can diagnose okay, there's fast motion, but it's still the

537
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Speaker 7: classic West Coast concepts. The one thing about that New

538
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Speaker 7: England system is you may run a play week three

539
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Speaker 7: and you may not run it again until we fourteen

540
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Speaker 7: because it just doesn't line up with who you're playing.

541
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Speaker 7: And so when you add what Josh has been able

542
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Speaker 7: to add with moving getting Drake on the move, you

543
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Speaker 7: see more boots now, you see more deep shots because

544
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Speaker 7: Drake's one of the best deep ball throwers in the league.

545
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Speaker 7: Josh has really adapted the way he's called the plays,

546
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Speaker 7: and I think that's something that shows, you know, just

547
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Speaker 7: being flexible to the players you have, and then on

548
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Speaker 7: top of that, who are you playing. So I would

549
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Speaker 7: imagine going into this week, you know, you got a

550
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Speaker 7: new defensive coordinator. You're not really sure what's he gonna do.

551
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Speaker 7: And this is always kind of a joke amongst players

552
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Speaker 7: in team meetings. When you are going up against someone

553
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Speaker 7: who's trying to make a name for himselves, especially on

554
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Speaker 7: a national TV game, you have to have your head

555
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Speaker 7: on a swivel. You don't know. I mean, he could

556
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Speaker 7: throw out all out blitz in the middle of the

557
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Speaker 7: second quarter and you'd be like, that hasn't happened all year.

558
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Speaker 7: So I think the message that Josh McDaniels has given

559
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Speaker 7: to that Patriots offense this week is, look, we're gonna

560
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Speaker 7: have a very specific game plan. We have to stick

561
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Speaker 7: with that. On top of all that, you have to

562
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Speaker 7: be ready for anything. You don't know what the game

563
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Speaker 7: plan is going to be. And sometimes by the time

564
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Speaker 7: you get through the second quarter the game, we would say,

565
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Speaker 7: the game will declare itself. So we'll know what this

566
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,119
Speaker 7: Giants defensive game plan is by halftime and then you

567
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Speaker 7: have to make those adjustments. And they've done a really

568
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Speaker 7: good job this year coming out of halftime making great adjustments,

569
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Speaker 7: so that's something they have to be aware of.

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Speaker 1: What's been the biggest jump that Drake May has taken

571
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Speaker 1: in the second year where he's playing at a MVP

572
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Speaker 1: caliber level.

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Speaker 7: I just for me. You know, I watched him last

574
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Speaker 7: year as a rookie and he was playing in the

575
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Speaker 7: West Coast system, and you get to this year and

576
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Speaker 7: just the efficiency with which he's thrown the ball. You know,

577
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Speaker 7: I don't know what his completion percentage was last year,

578
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Speaker 7: but he's among the league leaders this year, and you

579
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Speaker 7: don't usually see someone jump. And to me, and I've

580
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 7: always made this argument, people want to talk about accuracy,

581
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Speaker 7: it's not always a physical thing. To me, it's a

582
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Speaker 7: mental thing, because if you know where to throw the football,

583
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Speaker 7: it makes it a lot easier to get the completions right.

584
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Speaker 7: And so not only has he been efficient, but he's

585
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Speaker 7: been so effective with a deep pass. And that's where

586
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Speaker 7: to me, his level of understanding the system is. By

587
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Speaker 7: all accounts, we all knew he was smart, he was

588
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Speaker 7: very did a good job learning on the fly last year.

589
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Speaker 7: I just didn't know how quickly he would be up

590
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Speaker 7: to speed with Josh's system. And I mean the first

591
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Speaker 7: week and a half was a little bumpy, and from

592
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Speaker 7: then probably to last game against the Bengals in the

593
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Speaker 7: first quarter was the first time I seen him be

594
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Speaker 7: off a little bit, and then all of a sudden,

595
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Speaker 7: a switch flipped and it was like, all right, there's

596
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Speaker 7: the Drake that we've come to notice, you know. And

597
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Speaker 7: it's hard sometimes because he's been so good so quickly

598
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Speaker 7: to remember he's only twenty three years old. And the

599
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Speaker 7: thing that I loved about him since the moment he

600
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Speaker 7: took over last year and I was covering him was

601
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Speaker 7: just his maturity level, Like the way he carries himself.

602
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:55,240
Speaker 7: He's very humble, he dishes out the praise to his teammates,

603
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,240
Speaker 7: he takes a lot of the you know, if there's

604
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Speaker 7: something bad, he puts it on himself, and that's rare

605
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Speaker 7: to see in this day and age, especially from a

606
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 7: guy who's so young. So he's really been the total package.

607
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Speaker 7: And it's been a lot of fun to watch him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny when you know here and it just

609
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,440
Speaker 1: brought up a memory when Tom coffiny Line Manning was

610
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Speaker 1: here for all those years and I covered him. It

611
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Speaker 1: was always if something went wrong, it's our fault. If

612
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Speaker 1: something went well, it was everyone else's credit. And that's

613
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Speaker 1: how those guys operate and that's how the leaders really do.

614
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Speaker 1: I think what's really got me with Drake to me Brian,

615
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,919
Speaker 1: they don't have elite weapons. Like their offensive line has

616
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Speaker 1: been good, it's not an elite offensive line. The run

617
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Speaker 1: game has been fine, it's not terrific. The fact that

618
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Speaker 1: he's doing this in his second year, and you can

619
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Speaker 1: get into the pieces around them, but non elite pieces

620
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Speaker 1: around him, and this is really just a second year

621
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Speaker 1: of a complete rebuild in New England. It's kind of amazing.

622
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Speaker 1: I love Drake come out. He was my favorite quarterback

623
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Speaker 1: in that class.

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Speaker 7: I didn't think it'd be this fast, Yeah, no doubt.

625
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Speaker 7: And I think that's why I think to a lot

626
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Speaker 7: of us former Patriots, it's it's been so fun to

627
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Speaker 7: watch because there's so many similar to what it was

628
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Speaker 7: when we were successful. Right, you had Tom Brady and

629
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Speaker 7: you had Julian, you had Gronk. But it wasn't like

630
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Speaker 7: you know, the Bengals who have Higgins and Jamar Chase.

631
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Speaker 7: It's not like in Dallas with you know, Ceedee Lamb

632
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Speaker 7: and and George Pickens or you know whatever those But

633
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Speaker 7: I think the way this offense runs, it could be

634
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Speaker 7: anybody's day any given Sunday, right, it could be Digs

635
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Speaker 7: for one hundred yards, It could be Mac Collins for

636
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Speaker 7: one hundred yards, it could be Hunter Henry for one

637
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Speaker 7: hundred yards. And it kind of is a throwback to

638
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Speaker 7: those old Patriot offenses, like you didn't know who was

639
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 7: going to be the guy. And a lot of that

640
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 7: goes back to Josh McDaniels in game planning, and so

641
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Speaker 7: I'm sure last week they saw that Bengals defense and

642
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,399
Speaker 7: said we can exploit him with the tight end. So

643
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Speaker 7: Hunter Henry has a career day. You know, you go

644
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Speaker 7: up to Buffalo and Digs is back playing his old

645
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:46,719
Speaker 7: team and he has a big day. It's just and

646
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Speaker 7: to me, that goes to the level of Drake May's

647
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 7: understanding of the offense. He's not forcing the ball anywhere,

648
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Speaker 7: He's going where the defense tells him to go, and

649
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Speaker 7: then when he gets an opportunity. I mean, it's really

650
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Speaker 7: been amazing to watch his deep ball accurate because the

651
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Speaker 7: amount of throws that he's completing down the field, you know,

652
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Speaker 7: you would say should bring his completion percentage down, and he's,

653
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Speaker 7: like I said before, I mean, it doesn't matter short, middle, deep,

654
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Speaker 7: like he's been so calm, and he has just taken

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00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:16,679
Speaker 7: the shots when they're there and has hit a lot

656
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Speaker 7: of them, and that's why it's been so impressive.

657
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 3: You talk about this previously.

658
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 1: How much can Charlie Bollen change in a week you've

659
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 1: been a quarterback against teams that have change of coordinator?

660
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,920
Speaker 1: Is it like tendencies in terms of like pressures and blitzes.

661
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 1: Can you actually change the way the fronts work on

662
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 1: early downs and that run defense has been so bad?

663
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 1: What are some of the biggest changes that you think

664
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Speaker 1: a new DC can put in with just six days

665
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 1: in between games.

666
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean tendencies would be number one. Because you've

667
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,359
Speaker 7: had a guy there calm plays for so long, he

668
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 7: had his own tendencies. Here comes a guy who's gonna

669
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,119
Speaker 7: call place for the first time. He has nothing to

670
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,439
Speaker 7: go off of. I mean, he's watched what's happened. I'm

671
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 7: sure he's getting input from some a lot of those

672
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:55,880
Speaker 7: players like, hey, what do you want to do more?

673
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 7: What do you think we can do to affect the

674
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,199
Speaker 7: quarterback more? Whatever it might be. So that's why, like,

675
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 7: you're not going to be changing calls and terminology, but

676
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,199
Speaker 7: you may say we like this blitz a little bit

677
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 7: more than the old defensive coordinator, or maybe we want

678
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,440
Speaker 7: to play more coverage and to only rush for or

679
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 7: maybe there's more games on the inside of the defensive line.

680
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 7: And so that's why I said, like, it's not going

681
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 7: to be a complete change of what they do because

682
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 7: it's still the same players. This coach has been around

683
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,119
Speaker 7: and he's clearly influenced, but he's going to have his

684
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 7: own flavor, right, And so that's why to me, this

685
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,880
Speaker 7: is like such a scary game to go into one

686
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 7: a new coordinator. Two you're playing a team that has

687
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:35,919
Speaker 7: nothing to lose, and that's very dangerous. I've been on

688
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 7: those teams. I've been on the teams that are playing

689
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 7: the teams that have nothing to lose, And the one

690
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 7: thing I would say, the only way to kind of

691
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 7: get ahead of it is to not let them in

692
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 7: the game early, because I have a feeling, you know,

693
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 7: Dart's going to be back, you know, since the last

694
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 7: time we talked. You know, it was a brutal loss

695
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 7: of Skataboo, Like when he he had that injury, you

696
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 7: could almost see the life sucked out of the entire team.

697
00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 7: And it's amazing what two rookies were able to bring

698
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,239
Speaker 7: that team. So you know, and I love Jamis. I mean,

699
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 7: I don't know how you guys feel about him, but

700
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,119
Speaker 7: I tune into every press conference because it is just

701
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 7: pure gold and like he needs to be protected at

702
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 7: all costs. Like I love that guy. But now here's

703
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,360
Speaker 7: Jackson Dart's gonna come back, Like he's going to bring

704
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 7: some juice back. And I'll say this, a few weeks ago,

705
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 7: playing the other team from New York, we won't even

706
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 7: mention their name. They had a little bit of trouble

707
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:24,439
Speaker 7: with justin fields and scrambling and running the football. And

708
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 7: so what has Jackson Dart done better than any other

709
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,439
Speaker 7: quarterback this year? He's run the football. So that's going

710
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 7: to present a challenge on the defensive side of the

711
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 7: ball for the Patriots. And then offensively, you just don't

712
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 7: know what you're gonna get, so you kind of go

713
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 7: in and you don't want to be timid because you

714
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 7: don't want to let them hang around in the game.

715
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 7: And so I'm just saying, like this is this is

716
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 7: one of those games I really don't know how it's

717
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 7: going to go. Because I think if if Jackson Dart

718
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 7: comes back, and he plays the way he did, and

719
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 7: he brings some energy, and you know, with this new

720
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 7: defensive coordinator, you're able to get a few sacks and

721
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 7: the Patriots aren't able to score early. You could be

722
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 7: if you're the Patriots, you're going to be out there

723
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 7: fighting for your life because the reality is the Giants

724
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 7: are a talented team.

725
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, it sure seems like Dart's gonna go as of

726
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 1: our recording here on Friday. So I'll hit the Dart

727
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: in the second last one on the Giants defense. When

728
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 1: you've watched them on tay Brian, what are some of

729
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 1: the major issues you've seen in their blowing games late?

730
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 3: That's been one major weakness.

731
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 1: The second major weakness they cannot stop the run of

732
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 1: the life dependent on it. What do you see in

733
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 1: their run defense that has been so poor.

734
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 7: Well, I think that's the one thing. When you have

735
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 7: this quote unquote elite pass rush on paper, Well, what

736
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 7: do those guys want to do? They want to rush

737
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 7: the passer.

738
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 2: And so we've.

739
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 7: Always talked about it this way. If you're those elite

740
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 7: pass rush units, you have to earn the right to

741
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 7: rush the passer by stopping the run. And that kind

742
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 7: of goes hand in hand because if you have a

743
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 7: team who's going to run the football, what's the easiest

744
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 7: way to take those guys out of the game. Run

745
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,239
Speaker 7: the football. And so I think that's the balance they

746
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 7: have to find. And if they can stop the run,

747
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 7: which the Patriots run game this year, if you would

748
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 7: have to say there's any kind of weakness in their offense,

749
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 7: it's kind of been hot and cold. I mean, Treyvon

750
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 7: Henderson fills in and he has two long touchdowns against

751
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 7: Tampa Bay, and then then the next few weeks there's

752
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 7: nothing really there. And so I would imagine with Josh

753
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 7: going into this, he's going to say, the best way

754
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 7: that we can help ourselves is to run the football.

755
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 7: Because when you run the football, those pass rush specialists

756
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 7: they got to defend the run they're not getting to,

757
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 7: you know, get in their track stance and rush the passer.

758
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 7: And so I think a lot of times those guys

759
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 7: they have to understand if we want to get to

760
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 7: third and eight where we can just tee off and

761
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 7: pin our ears back, we can't let them get four

762
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 7: yards of pop in the running game, right, we have

763
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 7: to be able to stop their run. And I think

764
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 7: sometimes too. You see guys and they're instinctual and they

765
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 7: get out of their gaps because they have a feeling

766
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 7: you know, maybe I can make a play doing this,

767
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 7: and all of a sudden, now you slam down inside.

768
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 7: There's no edge to the defense. And that's the one

769
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 7: thing I've seen is you know, not being able to

770
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 7: be as disciplined in those gaps. In those gaps and

771
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 7: all of a sudden, boom, the guy breaks a big

772
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 7: run and now you don't even get a chance to

773
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 7: rush the passer.

774
00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, no question about it.

775
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 1: And then when the guys get to the second level,

776
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 1: they're not getting them down in the exact fifteen yard

777
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 1: runs starting into a fifty yard run.

778
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 3: How about that again?

779
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, if they do that with Travon Henderson, Yeah, that's

780
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 7: gonna be a problem because I and I and I

781
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 7: saw this kid in training camp and it kind of

782
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 7: took a while, but if he gets past the front seven,

783
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 7: he's either gonna run the safety over or he's gonna

784
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 7: outrun everybody. There's no one who's gonna catch him. And

785
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 7: so that's that's the thing. You hit it on the head.

786
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 7: You need those front seven guys to slow these guys down.

787
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 7: Because if Henderson gets to the to the secondary, it's

788
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 7: gonna be an explosive.

789
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 3: Play, no question. All right, let's jump to the side

790
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 3: of the ball.

791
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 1: This Patriot defensive front man, you know, you know calev

792
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 1: on Chase, on Harold Landry, it's not you know the mic,

793
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: the Brian Burns names, the Abdul quarter names. But combined

794
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: with Milton Williams and Christian Barmore, this Patriot defensive front man,

795
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 1: they've they've been really impressive this year.

796
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 7: Yeah, they've done a tremendous job. I mean, obviously we

797
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 7: talk about getting to this point the season injuries, so

798
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 7: they lose Milton Williams and and I would say that's

799
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 7: been a big reason why the run defense has dropped

800
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 7: a little bit. They were so I mean, they were

801
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 7: like almost historic to the point when they were going

802
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 7: to play. I think I believe it was the Buccaneers

803
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 7: like hadn't had a single running back over fifty yards.

804
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 7: So they've had a few instances in the past few

805
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 7: weeks where the run game has gotten going. I think

806
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 7: Milton Williams was such a big free agent signing, and

807
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 7: it's not always that position isn't always like gonna take

808
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 7: the headlines, but what he's done to that defense, paired

809
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 7: with Barmore, has been huge and it has allowed Robert Splane,

810
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 7: I think, one of the top tacklers in the league

811
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 7: right now, and they've played really well as a unit.

812
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 7: Zach Korr has done a really good job filling in

813
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 7: for Terrell Williams, who's dealing with some health issues. And ultimately,

814
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 7: and this is such a cliche, good teams take on

815
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 7: the personality of their head coach, and you just see

816
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 7: vraybel with the way this defense plays. It's just it's

817
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 7: so hard not to see it. They're fundamentally sound, They

818
00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 7: swarm to the football. It's to me it's Rabes kind

819
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 7: of summed up with the way he played and the

820
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 7: defense kind of taking on that persona. And then you

821
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 7: mentioned it they they've done a good job of earning

822
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 7: the right to rush the passer right. Chase On has

823
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 7: had a tremendous year, Harold, and that goes back to

824
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 7: you asked me, like, how have they been able to

825
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 7: make this turnaround? Whether it was conscious or not. They

826
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 7: did a very good job of adding a lot of

827
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 7: great veteran defensive players who've maybe were overlooked in other places,

828
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 7: but had some ties with Rabel with with Harold Landry

829
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 7: and Tennessee. Gibbons was in Tennessee. He's done a good

830
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 7: job filling in when he's had to. Same with spill

831
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 7: a guy I played with in Vegas. When they signed Splain,

832
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 7: I was like, he is going to be beloved in

833
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 7: New England because he's just that work like, you know,

834
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 7: lunch pale, work his butt off type of guy. And

835
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 7: he's right there in the middle. He's run sideline to

836
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 7: sideline making tackles. And then Christian Gonzalez is one of

837
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 7: the best young corners in the NFL. He's done a

838
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 7: tremendous job. He got I think he got a little

839
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 7: lazy last week and he wasn't covering you know, Chase

840
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,239
Speaker 7: or Hig and he's like, oh, they ain't gonna even

841
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 7: throw the ball my way, and they threw threw it

842
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 7: over his head for a touchdown. So he got a

843
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 7: bit of a wake up call. But the safeties have

844
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 7: done a tremendous job. Hawkins and this kid Woodson who

845
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 7: they drafted I think in the fourth round, who did

846
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 7: so well in training camp. They were they were like,

847
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 7: all right, you know, Jibrell Peppers dugger like, we're gonna

848
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 7: move on from these guys. So it's just a feisty

849
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 7: unit and you hit it on the head before Like

850
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:26,280
Speaker 7: there's not like I would say, other than May and Gonzalez,

851
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 7: there's not like you know, top of the line at

852
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 7: their position in the league. But they just play so

853
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 7: well as a team. It's just been fun to watch.

854
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 1: And you talk about the Verbel personality. I think the

855
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 1: way they play pass defense, even in the back end,

856
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 1: is deflected in that they're so aggressive. Their corners are

857
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 1: big and physical. They play so much man and for

858
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,359
Speaker 1: a Giants team that look their offense has been good

859
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 1: this year. They have I think they're eleventh in EPA

860
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 1: and per play. Even when Dart's gone out, Winston's been good.

861
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 1: I think the offense has been put together by Mike

862
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 1: Hafka very very well. If they have a weakness, they

863
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 1: don't have a ton of weapons outside that consistently win

864
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 1: one on one one. The Robinson's did a nice job that,

865
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 1: but remember he's a smaller guy. The way the Patriots

866
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 1: play that tight man demand press and their physical I

867
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,800
Speaker 1: think whether or not the Giants receivers can win in

868
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 1: those situations, is just gonna be paramount in this game.

869
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

870
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 7: I mean when you lose Milik Neighbors, that's tough, right,

871
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 7: because he was emerging as one of those top young receivers.

872
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 7: Wandell has done a great job. I thought. Deo Johnson

873
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 7: has come up with some plays and then ultimately, like

874
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 7: we talked about before, our team with nothing to lose

875
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 7: with the trick plays, right, my boy Gunner O chefs

876
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 7: Get texted him the other day, you know, bringing out

877
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,720
Speaker 7: his Bamigi State baseball days, throwing a dime to Jamis

878
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 7: getting in for the end zone.

879
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 3: How about his pocket presence, stepping the pocket? How about that?

880
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 7: Dude?

881
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 3: I love Gunner.

882
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:39,720
Speaker 7: I was there when he was a rookie and he

883
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 7: is just a true throwback, like one of the grittiest guys.

884
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 7: I mean he was he was playing defensive back at

885
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 7: Bamigie State while playing baseball, right, and so just a

886
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 7: pure athlete, a guy who's going to give everything he has.

887
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 7: And you know, he did a tremendous job on that play.

888
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 7: But that's what you have to be aware of, right,

889
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 7: nothing to lose, Kafka, this is his audition. A guy

890
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 7: I played played against, going back to colleg doing a

891
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 7: good job. And it's Monday night football. Everybody's gonna be watching,

892
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 7: so don't think that there aren't going to be some wrinkles.

893
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 7: So similarly, like the Patriots offense, you got to be up.

894
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 7: You got to be on high alert for everything that

895
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 7: the Patriots defense has to be the same way. You know,

896
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 7: double reverses, throwback passes, all of those things you have

897
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 7: to be an alert for. So it just gives you

898
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 7: that extra sense of urgency going into this game.

899
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 3: No question.

900
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 1: We're here in the Hacken, Zach and briny Hell podcast.

901
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 1: Did you keep getting better? And you know, Brian, we

902
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 1: spoke a bit ago, it's probably almost a month and

903
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:30,959
Speaker 1: a half. I think it was Dark's first or second

904
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 1: start about what you've thought about him? How do you

905
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 1: feel about how he grew in the offense as he

906
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 1: continued to play in Kafkaz system And do you have

907
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 1: any additional thoughts about what his future looks like?

908
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, look, he's gonna be in a similar

909
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 7: situation to Drake may by all accounts, there's going to

910
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,399
Speaker 7: be a new staff in there, so right now it's

911
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,839
Speaker 7: about getting that experience. I think Drake learned a lot

912
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 7: about handling the adversity of being an NFL quarterback last year,

913
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 7: and I think Jackson's gone through that as well. I mean,

914
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 7: this is all you need to know about his influence

915
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 7: on the young football players out there. My son's playing

916
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 7: quarterback this year, drops back, immediately pulls the ball down

917
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 7: to run, and it's trying to lower his head and

918
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 7: run linebackers over. And I go, where'd you learn that?

919
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 7: He's like Jackson Dart? So you know, of course I

920
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 7: have to like, I'm like, listen, I get it, like

921
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 7: it's fun and entertaining. But Jackson Dart just had it

922
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 7: was out for two weeks because he had a concussion. Like,

923
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 7: we don't want to always be playing like that. So

924
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 7: it's it's I think he's gonna learn. I actually love

925
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 7: Dart coming out as just a drop back passer. I

926
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 7: thought of all the guys, and now we're starting to see,

927
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 7: you know, Shador's playing and cam Ward's playing. Dart in

928
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 7: college was probably the best at stepping up in the pocket,

929
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:40,720
Speaker 7: and he's done a good job of not only stepping

930
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:42,439
Speaker 7: up and keeping his eyes down the field with throw.

931
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 7: We've seen some of those plays, but obviously the run

932
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 7: has been incredible for him. Is just look, these young

933
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 7: quarterbacks are going to learn one way or the other.

934
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 7: Whether it's Jayden Daniels or JJ McCarthy or Jackson Dart,

935
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 7: this is another level when you get past the line

936
00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:00,839
Speaker 7: of scrimmage. This is not you know, southwayt Missouri State

937
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 7: guys that are coming to hit you right. It's just

938
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:06,919
Speaker 7: it's it's not sustainable. And so hopefully that's something he's learned.

939
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:08,720
Speaker 7: You don't want to take that away from him, because

940
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 7: I think that type of play style really has benefited

941
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 7: him to be successful this year. But you gotta he

942
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,240
Speaker 7: and he has it in him. There was a pass

943
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 7: I think when they beat the Eagles on that Thursday

944
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 7: night game where there was a free blitzer. He hit

945
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:26,399
Speaker 7: the sail route to I think Jonathan Johnson, and I'm

946
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 7: like that right there, Like that's ultimately and I think

947
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 7: this will always hold true. At some point in the

948
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 7: critical part of your season. It's gonna be third and seven,

949
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 7: that team is going to not let you run the

950
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 7: football and you're gonna have to make those throws in

951
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 7: the pocket. And so that type of throw is proof

952
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 7: right there that he's more than capable of doing it.

953
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 7: I've loved watching him play. I love the swag and

954
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 7: as what my son would call aura that he has

955
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 7: that he brings to the game. It's not too big

956
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 7: for him. He's he's he's actually, in my opinion, probably

957
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 7: the perfect persona to be playing in New York. And

958
00:38:58,040 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 7: I think he'll continue to get better. He's got this

959
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 7: ill traits. And then what they're going to have to

960
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 7: make the decision is is, similarly what the Patriots did.

961
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 7: Who are you going to bring around this guy in

962
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 7: this offseason to help him develop and take it to

963
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 7: the next level.

964
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll see if Mike Caffeck can get you enough

965
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 1: to hold on to that job too after the year.

966
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: But with the rooty rule, there has to be a search,

967
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 1: so we'll see what had what that looks like. Final

968
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 1: question Brian before take goobye. This is great again, Thank

969
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: you so much for the time on this Friday. What

970
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:24,919
Speaker 1: does this game look like to you? Is this gonna

971
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,359
Speaker 1: be a track meet type of game? Is it going

972
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,879
Speaker 1: to be a grinded out upper teams type of game?

973
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: What is this game going to feel like in terms

974
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:32,720
Speaker 1: of game flow?

975
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think it could be a grinded out game.

976
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 7: I really do. I think it could be a back

977
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 7: and forth, especially if the Giants. Like I said before,

978
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 7: it's gonna go one of two ways. Either the Giants

979
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 7: are going to come in and they're gonna be able

980
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 7: to be have some success with maybe some things that

981
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 7: the Patriots haven't seen, and it's going to be a

982
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,359
Speaker 7: grinded out game. Or if the Patriots come and are

983
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 7: ready for every you know, new adjustment and they can

984
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 7: nail it and they can get up quickly. I've been

985
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 7: on the teams that are two and ten, okay, and

986
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 7: as much as anyone wants to deny it, you get down,

987
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 7: it's cold, you're losing by three touchdowns. Guys are starting

988
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:10,439
Speaker 7: to think, like, well, you know, I'm a free agent

989
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 7: in the off seat.

990
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 1: Those the bye week next week, right, you might start

991
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 1: thinking about Mexico.

992
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 7: You're thinking about, you know, going down to Miami. So

993
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 7: it's it's one of those things. It's a mentality, and

994
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 7: I'm not Look, I've been on the teams and it's

995
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 7: not everybody, but you looked down the sideline, You're like,

996
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 7: all right, that person's already his car's already started. That

997
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 7: was the phrase, right, like that the car has already started,

998
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 7: ready to go, and so to me, it's gonna go

999
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 7: one of two ways. Either it's gonna be a battle

1000
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,359
Speaker 7: because the Giants come ready to go and they hit

1001
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 7: some of those plays and they're in it. Or the

1002
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 7: Patriots are going to take care of business and they're

1003
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 7: gonna take away any energy that the Giants could maybe

1004
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 7: potentially establish, and I think they could run away with it,

1005
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 7: but I'm leaning more towards grind it out, back and

1006
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 7: forth game because the reality is, and you would know

1007
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 7: this better than me, but it seems like how many

1008
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 7: of those close games have the Giants lost, where if

1009
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 7: they had just won a few, maybe day balls still

1010
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 7: the head coach. So it's just sometimes the way the

1011
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 7: ball bounces and you got to make those plays in

1012
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 7: those critical moments. So I could see it being one

1013
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 7: of those games where it comes down to the last possession.

1014
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 7: I really could.

1015
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, just one in five and one score games of

1016
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 1: the Giants this year, so it's it's been a struggle

1017
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:18,800
Speaker 1: closing them out. That's the Giants Little podcast, brought to

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1022
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1023
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:31,839
Speaker 1: the game on Monday night, and we'll talk to you soon.

1024
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 1: All right, thanks John, that's the Giants on the podcast.

1025
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 1: You think, Brian Hoyer, we'll see you next time.

1026
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 2: If you want to know how to manage two minutes

1027
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Speaker 2: of crunch time football, I'm your man. But if you're

1028
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Speaker 2: wondering about a long term financial plan, you should talk

1029
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1030
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Speaker 4: Hey, I can also talk long care I'd like to

1031
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Speaker 4: learn about an Mollia routine.

1032
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Speaker 1: Yes, I knew I could help make sense of your

1033
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Speaker 1: money with Citizens. Good stuff from Brian Hoyer again, not

1034
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 1: just on the Patriots there, but also a lot of

1035
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 1: stuff on the Giants, their offense, My Kafka, Jackson Dark

1036
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: coming back. All that and a lot more were Brian Hoyer.

1037
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 1: And now let's go to Mike Kafka, their current head

1038
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 1: coach of the New York Football Giants.

1039
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 3: He's with Bob Poppa.

1040
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 6: And as always we're joined by the head coach of

1041
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:10,760
Speaker 6: the New York Giants, Mike Kaffkin.

1042
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:11,720
Speaker 3: Coach.

1043
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 6: You go into this game here against the New England

1044
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 6: Patriots are having an outstanding season. First of all, the

1045
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 6: messaging to your team. Obviously last week frustrating loss, but

1046
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 6: so many positives to draw off it. What was your

1047
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 6: message to the team this week.

1048
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, that's really good. I mean, last week we

1049
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 5: did we did, really did do some nice, nice things.

1050
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 5: And you know, I'm excited about where our guys are.

1051
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 5: Are their heads at, where their mind's at, I think

1052
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:41,760
Speaker 5: is continuing to be aggressive, whether it's on offense, defense,

1053
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 5: special teams. You know, I really like this the mentality

1054
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 5: our guy's been, Karan. So we're gonna keep on stressing that,

1055
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 5: we're gonna keep on competing, keep on working together in

1056
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 5: practice to put together the best plan we can and

1057
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 5: go attack this weekend.

1058
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 6: All right, let's talk a little bit about Charlie Ball

1059
00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 6: and you elevated him to defensive coordinator. Can you talk

1060
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 6: and share with our audience some of the collaborative stuff

1061
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 6: that happens, I mean even in the off season, but

1062
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 6: when you go through mini camp and throughout training camp,

1063
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 6: were picking the brain of the defensive side of the ball,

1064
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 6: helping you devise plans offensively and vice versa. And some

1065
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 6: of the things that excite you about having Charlie call

1066
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 6: your defense.

1067
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, Charlie does a great job, you know, really

1068
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 5: talking with him throughout the off season, just like you said,

1069
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 5: training camp, you're talking through ideas, different front structures, maybe

1070
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 5: different ways to manipulate the front from offensive perspective. And

1071
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 5: so when you start diving into that and you really

1072
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 5: get grain dealer with the little bit of scheme, then

1073
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 5: you really understand how good of a coach he is.

1074
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 5: And so I was really impressed with him really over

1075
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 5: these last or you know, eight months, and you know,

1076
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 5: really you know, diving into what that defensive front could

1077
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 5: look like and some of the different things they were doing. So,

1078
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 5: you know, really cool and really cool opportunity for him,

1079
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 5: and I'm excited for him.

1080
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,839
Speaker 6: So you got to deal with Drake May, who I

1081
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 6: know you guys scouted when he was coming out of

1082
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,800
Speaker 6: college and the first round pick of the New England

1083
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 6: Patriots last year. Josh McDaniel seems to have unlocked what

1084
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,359
Speaker 6: they needed as far as smoothing him out seventy one

1085
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 6: percent twenty one touchdown, six interceptions. Offensively, they're ranked eighth overall.

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Speaker 6: They're scoring twenty four points a game. What is it

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00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 6: about may that has really impressed you as he has

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00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 6: gone through a second year in the league.

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Speaker 5: No, Drake just continues to improve each and every week.

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00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 5: You know, whether it's in the in the pass protection game,

1091
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 5: in the pass game, just as timing is rhythm, you

1092
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 5: can see how comfortable he is in the pocket. Then

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00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 5: he's able to make these explosive plays either just with

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00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 5: off of run actions and design or by manipulating it

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00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 5: and getting outside and making some off schedule type throw.

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00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 5: So he's doing a great job. You can see his

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00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 5: comfort in the offense, and they're doing a great job

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00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 5: kind of managing what he's really really good at and

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00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 5: putting them in good positions to be successful.

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Speaker 6: They come in with two running backs that can hurt you.

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00:44:56,360 --> 00:45:00,359
Speaker 6: Stevenson's been there for five years. They drafted Henderson. He's

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00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,800
Speaker 6: averaging four point seven a pop. They'll use him in

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00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:06,280
Speaker 6: the passing game as well. What about trying to slow

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00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 6: down this running game of New England.

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00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's gonna be the challenge each week. You know

1106
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:12,280
Speaker 5: our defense that to do a great job of putting

1107
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 5: together a great plan and you know, putting our guys

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00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 5: in a position to be successful. In terms of just

1109
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 5: mixing up the fronts, mixing up the coverages, making sure

1110
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 5: our run fits are our stable and dynamic and we

1111
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 5: have some different things to get to if they are

1112
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:26,839
Speaker 5: running the football successfully.

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00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 6: And then a staple and a McDaniel's offense, if you

1114
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 6: just look at the Patriots over the years, they get

1115
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:36,320
Speaker 6: the tight end involved. They have two of them, Austin Hunter,

1116
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 6: Henry and Austin Hooper. And Henry's got five touchdowns this season.

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00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 6: Is that something that you know going in, You just know, hey,

1118
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 6: in big spots, they're going to look for their tight end,

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Speaker 6: especially in the red zone.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and he's been and he's been a mismatch problem

1121
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 5: for safeties, for linebackers. He does a heck of a

1122
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 5: job in his routes, very disciplined and is a good

1123
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 5: route runner, has great feel for zones in space as well.

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00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 5: So he's gonna be a viable throat for the quarterback

1125
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 5: and make sure you know they put they like putting

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00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 5: them in, you know, primary positions to be a ball catcher.

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00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 6: On the defensive side of the ball, coach, they're second

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00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 6: against the run. They play good team defense.

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00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 3: You know.

1130
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 6: Obviously, Gonzales is an outstanding young player at corner of

1131
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 6: former first round draft pick. But when you look at

1132
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 6: them defensively, what makes this Rabel defense so effective?

1133
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 5: Well, they're tough, they're very well coached, they're sounding their

1134
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 5: scheme and you know they do they do a heck

1135
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 5: of a job, you know, tackling, running to the football,

1136
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 5: punching out the football, tackling the football. It's just a

1137
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 5: well well oiled machine, well old unit, and these guys

1138
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 5: do a great job. Man, It's just them. You know,

1139
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,399
Speaker 5: it's gonna be a great challenge for our offense. And

1140
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 5: you know, they have a bunch of veterans on that

1141
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:49,319
Speaker 5: team that have played together or have a lot of

1142
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 5: ball that they've played, So they've seen a lot of

1143
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 5: different looks, right, So they've they're they've kind of mastered

1144
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 5: some of these different, you know, offensive structures, and so

1145
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,320
Speaker 5: we got to make sure that we're multiple enough to

1146
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 5: to attack that and have answers to it.

1147
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 6: So, as Giant fans on Thursday were enjoying Thanksgiving, their

1148
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:10,720
Speaker 6: news broke that Jackson Dart had cleared the concussion protocol.

1149
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:13,399
Speaker 6: What have you seen out of Jackson as far as

1150
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 6: his work? And you know, as he's worked through this.

1151
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 6: I'll obviously, you know, fans always say, you know, what

1152
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 6: do you think what's happening with him? And try to

1153
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 6: explain to them that concussion protocol is kind of like

1154
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 6: out of your area of expertise, and really you have

1155
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 6: nothing to do with it. He's got to get cleared

1156
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 6: by the medical experts. But from a practice standpoint, what

1157
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 6: have you seen from him?

1158
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a very thorough process. I know I've been

1159
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:41,839
Speaker 5: as a player in the concussion protocol, so I have

1160
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 5: a little bit of experience in that. But yeah, I

1161
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 5: mean at this level, you know, there's just a lot

1162
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 5: of things that are kind of out of your hands.

1163
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 5: But Jackson's attacked every single day trying to get himself better,

1164
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 5: continuing to stay up on the game plans, preparing himself

1165
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 5: the right way. And then you know, you build in

1166
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 5: an extra day for him this week, and you know,

1167
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 5: now you have a little bit more time to watch film,

1168
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 5: a little more time to study the game plan. So

1169
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 5: I'd expect him just to be just like he always is,

1170
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 5: on top of his game and ready to get to

1171
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 5: work today.

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Speaker 6: Let me ask you a little bit about Wandelle Robinson,

1173
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:13,879
Speaker 6: because he's having what you people would say is kind

1174
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 6: of a breakout year. He's been pretty consistent for you

1175
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:20,479
Speaker 6: this season. What has he done to elevate his game?

1176
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, Wendell's one of our most consistent, if not our

1177
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 5: most consistent player in terms of just being out on

1178
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 5: the field and being healthy and being you know, understanding

1179
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 5: his job and his role and doing that to the

1180
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 5: best of his ability. But you know, this this year

1181
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:37,320
Speaker 5: and really this you know, the better half of this season,

1182
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:39,839
Speaker 5: we've asked him to play outside a little bit more,

1183
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 5: play on the perimeter, and do some things that you know,

1184
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 5: he did really in college, did really well with a

1185
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 5: kind of vertical threat, and now he's taking that inside

1186
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 5: role that he's primarily been and taking it more to

1187
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:51,800
Speaker 5: the outside part of it. And you know, we're mixing

1188
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 5: up personnels. We've been a little bit more twelve personnel

1189
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 5: with our tight ends out there. So we're asking him,

1190
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 5: you know, one of our better players and one of

1191
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 5: our better players on offense, to to step up up

1192
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 5: and take an outside role. So whether it's blocking down

1193
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 5: field or running routes on corners. Now it's something that's

1194
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:08,360
Speaker 5: not foreign to him, but it's just something it's a

1195
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 5: different way that we've used him in years past.

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00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 6: Talk a little bit about his toughness, coach, because watching

1197
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:16,880
Speaker 6: him sometimes it's like a cartoon character, Like is this

1198
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 6: little guy out there? And sometimes some of these passes

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00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 6: he's got to like reach up for and he's diving

1200
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:25,879
Speaker 6: for and he's taking these hits and he's like these

1201
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:31,319
Speaker 6: cartoon character that just keeps bouncing back up. The resiliency

1202
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 6: he's shown has been pretty impressive.

1203
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 5: Absolutely, he's one of our toughest guys on offense. I'm

1204
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 5: probably on the team as well. And you know, he's

1205
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 5: not afraid. He wants the football and he's not afraid

1206
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 5: to kind of stick his nose in there and over

1207
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 5: the middle of the field and go get it. So

1208
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 5: we appreciate it. I know the quarterbacks certainly appreciate, and

1209
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 5: the offense appreciates him for his effort and how he

1210
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 5: plays the game.

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Speaker 3: Good stuff from coach Kafka.

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Speaker 1: Good job, Thank you to Bob Papa, Thank you to

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00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 1: Brian Hoyer, thank you to Javon Hollane. He hope everyone

1214
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 1: out there are a happy Thanksgiving, enjoy you or weekend

1215
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,320
Speaker 1: of no Giants football. Of course, Giants play on Monday

1216
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 1: night and then the bye week coming up for Big

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Speaker 1: Blue as well, so stay tuned for all of that

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Speaker 1: and more. We'll be back with more on the Giants

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