1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:03,840 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Dan Hansis alongside Chris Westling, hey Man, 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: Mark Sessler, and the Boss Greg Rosenthal. Where they around 3 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: the NFL podcast check us out three times a week 4 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:12,559 Speaker 1: as we discussed the latest NFL news as it happened, 5 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: always of course, with a touch of mirth. Subscribe at 6 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:21,479 Speaker 1: NFL dot com, Slash Podcasts, iTunes and Stitcher. And now 7 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 1: Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. What's 8 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: going on everybody? DJ Bucky here, Move the Sticks. Happy 9 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 1: Thursday to you here, and we've got Bucky the second 10 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: episode of the week. And we are now seasons behind us. 11 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 1: We are full fledged in the draft mode. We're in 12 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 1: the draft. It is our time. We get a chance 13 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: to look at all these guys and start looking ahead. 14 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 1: All right, let's let's jump in here on your favorite thing, 15 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:49,599 Speaker 1: my favorite thing, everybody's favorite thing. That's mock drafts um 16 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 1: got my new mock draft here. Look, I've got my 17 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: computer out here, Bucks, so you can take a take 18 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: a peek. Here what we got. Oh man, let's see, 19 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: go ahead you you can navigate and all bounce off 20 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 1: you here. Okay, I'm I'm gonna reading. I just had 21 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: to read the top five because the top five they're 22 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 1: a couple of surprises already. So Number one, Miles Garrett 23 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 1: going to the Cleveland Browns, that's not a surprise because 24 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 1: of they need a pass rushing Number two that might 25 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: shock some people, huh. San Francisco forty nine is by 26 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: Fasting the quarterback, going with Marshawn Lattimore, the corner from Ohio. 27 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:21,320 Speaker 1: And people have said, oh, they've got some corners, they 28 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 1: have other needs. Look, I had to think he's a 29 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: phenomenal football player. John Lynch is a secondary guy. I 30 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: could see them potentially looking at safety. I just feel 31 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 1: a little bit better about their safeties than I do 32 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:32,039 Speaker 1: about their corners. So go ahead and get some help 33 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 1: back there. When they were at their best a few 34 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 1: years ago on the harbor, they had two really good 35 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 1: corners on the outside, So I think they certainly could 36 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: think about going back there. Number three Chicago Bears Jonathan 37 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: Allen at four the Jackson with Jaguars Jamal Adams. Just 38 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 1: Jamal Adams, stop right there for a second. That just 39 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 1: makes too much sense to me. It makes a ton 40 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: of sense. You've got Tom Coughlin in that building. Now, 41 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 1: who's gonna who's gonna really value toughness, leadership. He brings that, 42 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: you know him going back to high school buck. I mean, 43 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 1: it just seems like a Tom Coughlin type of a guy. Well, 44 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 1: I think if you're trying to change thetitude, change the culture, 45 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 1: you add Jamal Adams to go with Jalen Ramsay's award 46 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 1: daddy too. Now. So so now you're beginning to get 47 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 1: some of those because those guys Hay losing, they come 48 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:10,639 Speaker 1: from winning programs, and I think if we're gonna flip 49 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 1: the program, you have to have winners in there. Jamal 50 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: Adams would give them something. I'm a bit surprised, but 51 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:17,639 Speaker 1: I love the player. I love the player, but I'm 52 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 1: more surprised at the pick. The Tennessee Titans taking Ruben 53 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 1: Foster at five, and look, I have a love affair 54 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:26,639 Speaker 1: with Ruten Foster's game. He's old school, he's menacing, he's tough, 55 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 1: he does all those things that you want to see. 56 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: But you would think maybe safety would be in place. 57 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 1: Six the New York Jets Leonard for Net seven, seen 58 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 1: that San Diego Charlie Cooker. Eight the Carolina Panthers take 59 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 1: another defensive tackle, Solomon Thomas, Salomon Thomas can play out, 60 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 1: can play outside of then and doing like Michael Bennett 61 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 1: type of a clone. They absolutely need someone that some 62 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 1: more pass. They don't have that. And number nine Mike 63 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:52,639 Speaker 1: Williams going to the Cincinnati Bengals. How much would Mike 64 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:54,519 Speaker 1: Williams get off, by the way, with a J. Green 65 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 1: on the other boy? Well, not only that, like, how 66 00:02:57,360 --> 00:02:59,239 Speaker 1: how about this as a young receiver call a J. 67 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: Green Mike Williams and then you have Tyler Boyd. Three 68 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 1: young receivers that continue to grow. It helps your quarterback 69 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 1: get better. And that's en Deshan Watson to the Buffalo. 70 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: How about that? That's one of the teams. I just keep, 71 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 1: you know, getting the vibe that they're going to jump 72 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: on one of these quarterbacks. Which one it is? Buck? 73 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 1: I have absolutely no idea. I don't think they even 74 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 1: know right now because they have to make a decision 75 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 1: on Tyrod Taylor Um before they can even proceed. Let's 76 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 1: go quickly eleven through fifteen. Quincy Wilson going to the Saints. 77 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 1: O J. Howard going to Cleveland Brown. So hit stop 78 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: real quick there on O J. Howard. So the two 79 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:32,639 Speaker 1: teams with a couple of first round picks. Right, you've 80 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 1: got Cleveland, You've got Tennessee. To me, I look at 81 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: that and say, okay, you're Cleveland. You want sure things, right, 82 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 1: you want blue chip players with high floors. So there's 83 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 1: no men. They've had so many misses in the filter. 84 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 1: So you get Myles Garrett, who has that eliteability, who 85 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 1: I think is a great kid. All that stuff checks out. 86 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: Then you've got O. J. Howard. I know you already 87 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: have a tight end, so Barn, but this is a 88 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: different level tighten. And to me, he's one of the 89 00:03:57,520 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: safest picks in the draft. So you've got sure things, 90 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 1: the two sure things with their first two picks. And 91 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: they absolutely know him because I think that he was 92 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 1: They coached him down to the senior make a chance 93 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: to kind of experiment and do some things with him. 94 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: At thirteen, the Arizona Cardinals first receiver off the board. 95 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: No Coy Davis. Corey Davis going to the Arizona Cardinals. 96 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 1: Nice pick, because Larry Fitzgerald is probably in the last 97 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 1: year of his career. You want to find someone to 98 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 1: replace it. The Indianapolis calls Dalvin Cook, how about that one? 99 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 1: They look you got a new general manager in there. 100 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 1: You could look on either side of the line. I 101 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: thought that at a decent job last year of upgrading 102 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: that offensive line defensively is definitely at place. I think. 103 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: You know, if I was gonna bet, look, you do 104 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 1: different scenarios, I would say probably more likely they go 105 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:39,839 Speaker 1: defensive linemen here. But Dalvin cook in that offense with 106 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 1: Andrew Luck looked pretty good. Here's what I was saying, 107 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:43,479 Speaker 1: this is what I would go back to. I'll go 108 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: back to when Paid Manning was very successful, because we're 109 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:48,840 Speaker 1: trying to use those parallels with Andrew Luck and paid many. 110 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:51,840 Speaker 1: When Paid Manny was there, they quickly got him Edrin James. 111 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 1: They surrounded him with playmakers on the outside. You could 112 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:56,599 Speaker 1: say that they have enough weapons in the passing game 113 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: to do what they want to do with Andrew Luck, 114 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: but they need that difference maker in the backfield. Dalvin 115 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 1: Cooks certainly can be a guy that can do like that. 116 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:08,720 Speaker 1: To me, see some nice skills. Um Cidny Jones the 117 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagles at fifteen. I'm a Sidney Jones guy. I mean, 118 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 1: I like Warner from Washington, just a really really good 119 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 1: football player, really good football player. Very solid. I think 120 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:18,839 Speaker 1: he's Marcus Peters without some of the questions that you 121 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:22,160 Speaker 1: may have had about Peters coming out the Baltimore Ravens, 122 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 1: Taco Charlton coming out of Michigan. The hardball connection, Uh yeah, 123 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 1: one hardball to another about that. The Washington riskin is 124 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:32,160 Speaker 1: Forest Lamp from Western Kentucky. That will be one that 125 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 1: I'm sure we'd probably sent up a couple of Rick flags, 126 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:35,720 Speaker 1: no question. I don't think people know as much about 127 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 1: him now. He's only there at the Senior Bowl for 128 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:39,719 Speaker 1: a day before he got hurt. Played left tackle, was 129 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 1: a really good left tackle, But I don't know. Size wise, 130 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 1: I think he projects more inside. And if you look 131 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:47,280 Speaker 1: at Callahan's presence there as the offensive line coach coming 132 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 1: from Dallas where they built that offensive the offensive line, 133 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 1: and now you've already got a really really good offensive line, 134 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: top five probably in the league. And now you add 135 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: Forest Lamp in their guard to pair up with Sheriff, 136 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 1: and you've also got Trent Women. You've got a group. 137 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:02,599 Speaker 1: Now you have a group, and we're gonna presume that 138 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:04,919 Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins is back, and so if we're trying to 139 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:06,599 Speaker 1: help Kirk Cousins be the best that he can be 140 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: for the risk, and you want to make sure that 141 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 1: you have a solid offensive line. You have weapons on 142 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 1: the outside that could be the final piece of the 143 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 1: offensive line puzzle. So that makes sense. Tennessee Titans. John 144 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: Ross at eighteen coming out of Washington. So that's an 145 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:21,159 Speaker 1: explosive wide receiver. Now this is my thinking on the 146 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 1: Titans on their philosophy here, John Ross and Reuben Foster. 147 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 1: They are known right, they are a physic. They've already 148 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 1: established themselves as a physical team. So if you're gonna 149 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 1: try and pair up with what you have, your physical 150 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 1: let's get some speed. You bring in Reuben Foster on 151 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: the defensive side of the ball, and now you're bringing 152 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: John Ross on the offensive side of the ball. You've 153 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:41,479 Speaker 1: added some serious explosiveness to your team. I mean it 154 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:43,279 Speaker 1: makes the team better. You still have to continue to 155 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: build this offense around what Marcus Mariota does very very well. 156 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 1: They have species, but they don't have rob runners. I 157 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 1: believe John Ross is one of the more complete receivers 158 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 1: in this draft. Nineteen Alvin Kamara going to the Tampa 159 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 1: Bay Buccaneers. Can't you can't count you can't count on 160 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 1: what you have in Doug Martin right now. He saw 161 00:06:57,960 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: at the end of the season some personal issues that 162 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 1: showed up there to me. Alvin Kamara can do everything 163 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:04,600 Speaker 1: that that he can do. I think he can do 164 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: him even at a higher level. I think he's more explosive, 165 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: can help you out in the passing game. Um never, 166 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: we talked about it already. He's never had more than 167 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 1: eight teen carries in college. But I thought that was 168 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 1: a Tennessee problem, not a kmar problem. He is a really, 169 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: really talented football player. Talented football player. I kind of 170 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: liken him to do Mall Charles when I watched him 171 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: on Save. His ability to make plays not only is 172 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 1: a run of it as a receiver, he could be 173 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 1: a special three down back if he shows he could 174 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 1: carried the workload the dever Broncos at twenty Ryan Ramsack 175 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 1: from Wisconsin got upgrade the offensive line there. I don't 176 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 1: think that's a secret. This next one is the one 177 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 1: that's got some people scratching their heads. Buck, I mean, 178 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 1: I mean the Detroy lines. Take David Joke and this 179 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 1: is the tight end from Miami. Who trust me, so 180 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: you can put jumped on him early. He's my he's 181 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 1: a top To me, I think he's a top twelve. 182 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: What about Eric Hebron. That's the first thing that fans 183 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 1: are saying. First thing I was saying, Okay, let's look 184 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 1: at the two first round tight end, let's look at 185 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 1: the structure of this organization. The GM Bob Quinn, where 186 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 1: was he previously? Buck? He is with the New England Patriots, 187 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 1: New England Pages. I want to say, maybe they've had 188 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 1: a couple of different times, have a couple of times. 189 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: I don't know if they've ever expended two first round 190 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 1: picks on the tight end of this is a big 191 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 1: time dude. Now I'm a rare, rare athlete, and David 192 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 1: and Joko and now you've got a chance. You talk 193 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: about ability to stress out of defense. I know Eric 194 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 1: Ebron has been in consisting, had had a voice for 195 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 1: the heavens. Tell me that the New England Patriots are 196 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 1: you gonna go ahead and drop that nugget again? Dropped 197 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: the nugget. The Patriots in two thousand two took Daniel 198 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 1: Graham in the first round and then Ben Watson and No. 199 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: Four in the first round. There you go, how about that? 200 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 1: I feel like, so this is this I feel like 201 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 1: communicating away from me. There's a private text chain, so 202 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 1: that are Gina chipping in there. So that's what we've 203 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 1: got there. I think that offense with what they already 204 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 1: have and now you throw another well, because here here's 205 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:47,199 Speaker 1: the thing that we can learn after watching the teams 206 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 1: that went to the Super Bowl. It's great that you're 207 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: able to throw the ball over the yard, but you 208 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 1: still need to be able to control the game. While 209 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:54,839 Speaker 1: being able to throw it. You now have too big body, 210 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 1: tight ends and Joko and Ebron. It gives an opportunity 211 00:08:57,880 --> 00:08:59,839 Speaker 1: to play twelve person nail one back, two tight ends 212 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 1: to our receivers, you still can't control it. And if 213 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 1: they can find a runner, because this is a draft 214 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 1: at I mean they're running backs all over the board. 215 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 1: They can find the number one Baill Cow runner. They 216 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 1: can be physical when they need to be, but they 217 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 1: also can give Matthew Stafford the webs. They need to 218 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 1: spread it out. So I look i Twitter. People freak 219 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: out on these mock drafts, and I usually I take 220 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 1: it all and stride it's fun, which is a fun 221 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 1: exercise when you're trying to put these things together. I 222 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:23,319 Speaker 1: don't take it too seriously. But the only thing I 223 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 1: will say is after the combine, everybody that's been giving 224 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 1: me heat on David and Joco, I'm gonna I'm gonna 225 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 1: quote the lyrics from one of my favorite artists, one 226 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 1: of the all time greats comment talk a little Joe, 227 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 1: a little Joe to say, Okay, I get it, I 228 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 1: get it. All right, let's go next year with Miami Dolphins. 229 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:46,680 Speaker 1: Derek Bartnett, defensive man from Tennessee. The New York Giants Stop, wait, 230 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 1: what just what are you pausing for? But I mean 231 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:50,599 Speaker 1: the New York you stopped. The New York Jazz have 232 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 1: a two time Super Bowl winn at quarterbacks, they do 233 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:57,079 Speaker 1: have them. Taking Mitch Traubinsky from North Carolina quarterback, you 234 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 1: don't have to explain you. Well, here we go. Let's 235 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 1: let's go on the way back machine. Brett Farvey playing 236 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: pretty pretty high level and what I want to say 237 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 1: they were picking I don't know, maybe the same range 238 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 1: I think there was this is and we say, okay, 239 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:15,679 Speaker 1: let's keep an eye towards the future a little bit. 240 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: Mitch Robinski is the name that I keep getting a 241 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: little bit more buzz throughout the league. I don't know, 242 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:22,599 Speaker 1: I have no idea where he's gonna land buck, but 243 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 1: I know there are some sponsors and some supporters out there. 244 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 1: The limited number of starts is an issue for some folks. 245 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 1: But he's he's got a lot of ability from your 246 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 1: from your North Carolina tar heels. So if you're the Giants, 247 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 1: you sit here and say, I kind of like this 248 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 1: guy fell into our lap. We don't have to plan 249 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 1: right great over their backups, not even close. Yeah, it's easy. 250 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:42,199 Speaker 1: So we're gonna still roll with Eli. But we've got 251 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 1: got this guy in the wings here ready to go. 252 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 1: And also when you look at the system that the 253 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 1: Giants run, they run really a quick rhythm passing anime 254 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 1: that is out of the West Coast system. He does 255 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 1: a great job of getting the ball out of his hands. 256 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 1: He's played in a spread offense. You now put him 257 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: behind Eli. They have similar personalities in terms of being 258 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 1: more quiet guys. He can sit and learn how to 259 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:05,079 Speaker 1: lead in his own way and have a lot of 260 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:07,439 Speaker 1: success with that. I think a very very dynamic wide 261 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 1: receiver corps are Junia behind the glass. I got a 262 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 1: question for you. Put those headphones on. Quick question for you. 263 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:15,839 Speaker 1: The New York Giants head coach. What's his name again, 264 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 1: Ben Ben mcindod Where where'd he come from? But like 265 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 1: he was the offensive coordinator for the Giants before? Yeah? 266 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 1: But where where was he before that? Yeah? Green? Oh wait, 267 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 1: Brett Favre, Aaron Rodgers. Okay, anyways, let's just move on here. 268 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:34,559 Speaker 1: Got next the Oakland Raiders. I love this fire. I mean, 269 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 1: I guess we still should call him the Oakland Raiders. 270 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 1: The Raiders. Yeah, true, Davis White from l s U. 271 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 1: I like that you got to know him a little bit. 272 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: But to know him a little bit then this, This 273 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 1: is what was very impressive about him. One. I didn't 274 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 1: know he was a wide receiver in high school, didn't 275 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 1: play corner until he got to l s U. Stayed 276 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: an extra year at l s U because he wanted 277 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:54,959 Speaker 1: to refine his game and talking to him. Look, I 278 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 1: knew about the physical skills after watch him at the 279 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 1: senior ball and watch him Monte, but his football, like 280 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 1: you understanding the game game wanted to understand. I think 281 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 1: he'd be a nice fit in that defense. That's going 282 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 1: to change. Remember they hired John Pogano in the off season. 283 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 1: He will beget to put his in print on that defense. 284 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: I like. I like that if it can play inside, 285 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 1: can play outside, can return for you if you need 286 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 1: him to look every year you try and self evalua. 287 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:18,719 Speaker 1: We talked about this all the time. You gotta look 288 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 1: at your hits and misses. And that's a game we 289 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 1: play here on the podcast where I talk about guys 290 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 1: I got right, guys I got wrong. Will continue to 291 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 1: do that as we go forward. But Bucky, the number 292 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 1: one reason that I look at my own mistakes and 293 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 1: guys I've messed on the number one. They don't love football. 294 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 1: They're not passionate about it. And if you can get 295 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 1: by on skill and ability in college, but this is 296 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 1: a business now. These are all professionals, and if you 297 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 1: aren't willing to put everything into it, you're not going 298 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 1: to be successful. Everything I've heard about him that you 299 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:49,840 Speaker 1: just mentioned, mature, smart, gets it, loves ball. To me, Okay, 300 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:52,199 Speaker 1: maybe the ceiling might not be as quite as high 301 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 1: as some of the other folks at this position. I 302 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 1: feel great about his floor. I think he's gonna be 303 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 1: a rock solid player. I mean, you have to love 304 00:12:58,040 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 1: a ball. In the fact that he's already graduated, he 305 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 1: is all that stuff. He comes to the league as 306 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 1: a very very mature young man. I like that. Houston 307 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: Texans with Garrett Bowls out of Utah. Yeah. Look, he 308 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 1: a really really talented player. I think he's ability wise 309 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 1: should go higher than pick number twenty five. Again, limited 310 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:16,560 Speaker 1: number of starts and snaps there at Utah after coming. 311 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: He's got a real interesting backstory, which we'll get into 312 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:21,680 Speaker 1: later on in the in the draft season, but uh, 313 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 1: he's an interesting one. I think the Houston Texans look 314 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 1: offensive line a little bit better there. Twenty six the 315 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 1: Seattle Seahawks Marlin Humphrey from Alabama. Raw Marlon Humphrey. Look, 316 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:33,439 Speaker 1: he's got great jeans obviously with his dad, Bobby Humphrey 317 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 1: played with his dad. Oh how how was he? His 318 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 1: dad came through Buffalo when I was there. Okay, nice guy, 319 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 1: great haircut, high high, tight top before everyone was rocking 320 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 1: the hikes. I love the high top. But look, he's 321 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:46,559 Speaker 1: got some really good tape. He's got. You know, he's 322 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 1: got great size, he's physical, he's tough. He had a 323 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: huge hit in the USC game. Early in that game. 324 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 1: I want to see on Justin Davis on on an 325 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 1: outside run. To me, the one issue and I say 326 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 1: raw is because just improving his ability to locate the 327 00:13:57,880 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 1: football down the field, that was something that I thought 328 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 1: he's ruggle with Hesse. He saw I was at the 329 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 1: L s U game. I didn't give up playing that one. 330 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 1: I want to say old mess. He got beat up 331 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 1: a little bit, and then Mike Williams I believe got 332 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 1: him in the game. But a lot of tools to 333 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 1: work with and just looks like that's a Seattle corner 334 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 1: right there. Man size at some point, like I feel 335 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 1: like they've kind of plateau. They have to kind of 336 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 1: have an infusion of talent to push him over the top. 337 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 1: But twenty seven, I'm really excited because last night I 338 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 1: studied this guy and it's fun. Seven Buddha Baker Washington 339 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 1: safety And in your graph you talk about Eric Berry 340 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 1: and you mentioned a similar skill set in my notebook. 341 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 1: That was my pro comparison. Yeah, when I looked at 342 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 1: he reminded me of that Eric Berry. And part of 343 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 1: the reason is because really you dubbed he he plays nickel. Yeah, 344 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 1: he's in essence, he's a nickel corner safety. Love the 345 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 1: way tackles, I love his aggressiveness. I think his cover 346 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 1: skills still can need some word because he's kind of 347 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 1: playing on athleticism as opposed to like refined technique. But 348 00:14:56,320 --> 00:15:00,120 Speaker 1: in terms of being around the ball and having stuff, 349 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 1: I wish he caught the ball a little bit better. 350 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 1: That would be my one not you know. The funny 351 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 1: thing though, he was an opening kid, a kid that 352 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 1: we saw in high school, and he was kind of 353 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 1: a do it all guy, like was he back, run back, 354 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 1: maybe running back? Everything's super athlete in high school. So 355 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 1: I believe he's a guy that his best football will 356 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 1: certainly be a prolo. I talked to somebody with a 357 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 1: team that felt like they thought, if you just line 358 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 1: him up a corner, he was the third best corner 359 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 1: in this draft. I mean, he was the best nickel 360 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 1: and they thought he was the third best corner if 361 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 1: you wanted to make that switch. That's the big thing 362 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 1: on Buddha is I think he's an ideal nickel guy, 363 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 1: and with so many teams lining up and playing nickel 364 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 1: extensively talked about that big nickel to you get you're 365 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 1: getting the guy who is a nickel but in essence 366 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 1: is a safety. So to tackling and some of the 367 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 1: issues that you worry about in the run game, Buddha 368 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 1: Baker can hold up. So I like that pick. All right, 369 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 1: we go Charles Harris Missouri going to the Dallas Cowboys, 370 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 1: a twenty eight T J. Watt to the Green Bay Packers? 371 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 1: Is that not a great to me? That just he's 372 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 1: at Wisconsin. It's a short little trip there, sure little trip. 373 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 1: They don't have to go too far with him, and 374 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 1: can play Matthews on the other side. Why not? Why not? 375 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 1: How about Pittsburgh? Still is thirty Hassan Reddick from Temple. 376 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 1: So this is the thing when when I was working 377 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 1: in Baltimore, we would watch certain players and we're like, Okay, 378 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 1: this is a raven like this. This dude just plays 379 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 1: like a raven. And and and Reddick, I would say, is 380 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 1: like that. But like us, we always felt like certain 381 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: guys were Steelers. Heath Miller. I've told the story before 382 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: when they were on the clock, Oz, He's like, just 383 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 1: put Heath Miller up there. I mean, it's a Steeler 384 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 1: if I've ever seen one like he's just made to 385 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 1: play for them. Son Reddick with his toughness, um, his 386 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 1: instinct speed, just he's got a little grit and a 387 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 1: little nastiness to him. To me, he is a perfect 388 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: perfect player to fit into the Steelers. Stevens can play. 389 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: You can stack him inside, he can do that. If 390 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 1: you need him to rush a little bit, he can. 391 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 1: He can play outside. I think he'd be a beautiful fit. 392 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 1: Tremendous story. He's a guy who's a former walk and 393 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 1: he was a walk on safety at Temple. To go 394 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: from being a safety guy way in the back end 395 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 1: to being able to be an ed rushing too now 396 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: I'm moving inside says a lot about his toughness. But 397 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: what you get with that is a pretty dynamic athlete. 398 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 1: When you see him rush, you see him blitz. He 399 00:16:57,480 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 1: has some pop to him. He does a great job 400 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: of kind of skinny and find a way to get 401 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 1: to the quarterback in Pittsburgh because you have questions of 402 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 1: whether Lawrence Timmins will come back. Maybe he's a guy 403 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 1: that can be the call of the defense and you 404 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:13,160 Speaker 1: put him beside Ryan Shas who has a similar background, 405 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 1: a similar story, very athletic to these guys can grow 406 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:17,920 Speaker 1: together and what you're looking for is to build a 407 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,120 Speaker 1: nucleus that can grow together for five, six, seven years. 408 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 1: How sound Reddick? Maybe that guy I got two picks 409 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: left here, Lanta faxon the thirty one heartbroken, trying to 410 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 1: figure out how to get back to cars. McKinley from 411 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 1: u C L a outside linebacker. I like that because 412 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: he's an outstanding pastor. He's a sprinter and he's got 413 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:35,680 Speaker 1: a sprinting background. He's probably gonna run in the high 414 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:37,879 Speaker 1: four forwards at the combine. Now you've got him on 415 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: one side, Vic Beasley on the other speed, new stadium, loud, 416 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:43,159 Speaker 1: maybe not even piped in noise, just authentic noise. And 417 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 1: also you're also understanding building your team for the environment 418 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 1: that you play on. In the team that you have 419 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:50,439 Speaker 1: on offense, this is a team that you continue to 420 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 1: be a defense that plays from my head. So now 421 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 1: you have to be able to hunt the quarterback. And 422 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 1: so you've got Vig Beasy coming into his own. Yeah, McKinley, 423 00:17:57,800 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 1: if you're able to keep d White freeny because he 424 00:17:59,920 --> 00:18:02,879 Speaker 1: was so impactful on the development of Beasley, teacher about 425 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:05,680 Speaker 1: to pass for us. I like that, alright, real quick 426 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: before we get to the final pick here of the Patriots, 427 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:11,920 Speaker 1: this Falcons team right now, okay, we I just give 428 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:14,919 Speaker 1: him Tach McKinley. Okay, So if you have Tach McKinley 429 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:18,640 Speaker 1: and you have Beasley, you've got let's go to the Colts. Okay, 430 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 1: in there Heyday, You've got Um, Robert Mathis, Robert Mathis 431 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:24,399 Speaker 1: and Dwight Freeney. Now you look at the Colts had 432 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:27,679 Speaker 1: a big time number one wide receiver, Marvin Harrison. Now 433 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: you've got Julio Jones. They had some nice Obviously our 434 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 1: Reggie Wayne was big time player. Now I wouldn't put 435 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 1: mohammeds to Dow at that level, but they've got some 436 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 1: nice Number two is Um. You look at the tight 437 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:42,440 Speaker 1: end Wise Hooper, they're hoping can maybe be their Dallas Clark. 438 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: You look at the running backs they had ed You 439 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 1: and James. Now you've got Davonte Freeman. They've kind of 440 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 1: trying to recreate a little bit of what you had 441 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 1: there with the Colts and playing indoors. You talk about 442 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:53,400 Speaker 1: playing with the lead, build a team to be able 443 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:55,439 Speaker 1: to hunt the quarterback, because that's they're kind of the 444 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:57,639 Speaker 1: new wave Colts. Yeah, because they're pushing it. They're a 445 00:18:57,640 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 1: team that can push the pace. We'll see because with 446 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:03,400 Speaker 1: they say they want to keep the same offensive playbock playbook, 447 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 1: the same philosophy. They want to make sure that they 448 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 1: can build around the quarterback and keep them going. So 449 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:09,439 Speaker 1: you have the offense, it looks like he has all 450 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 1: the bills and whistle's. On defense, they're young. They started 451 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 1: four rookies on this defense that played in the Super Bowl. 452 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 1: You have some more athleticism, some more speed. I like 453 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 1: that because you gotta have to do how about how 454 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:20,719 Speaker 1: about if you look on the defense, and I'm just 455 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:22,880 Speaker 1: going through this off top of my head. You had 456 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 1: an Indy, You had those undersized linebackers that could fly. 457 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: You got Dion Jones who can run like crazy. Oh yeah, 458 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 1: you look at um Devandre Campbell is a young linebacker. 459 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:35,639 Speaker 1: And then you look at the safety position with those Colts. 460 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:39,640 Speaker 1: Bullet Bob Sanders was an explosive hitter. Kean O'Neil comes 461 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: in and kind of is that explosive middle of the field. 462 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:43,879 Speaker 1: Players drops down the box a little bit more in 463 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:45,919 Speaker 1: this defense, but it's it's a lot of the same design, 464 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of the same design. You 465 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:48,919 Speaker 1: want to be able to cover. They want to be 466 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 1: simple because everything that you hear from there, even and 467 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 1: talking to the guys, they talk about we want o 468 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: guys to play fast and loose and free and just 469 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 1: run to the ball. And so the scheme is simple. 470 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 1: They want their athleticism to overwhelm you. And when you're 471 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:02,400 Speaker 1: playing with the lead and you know the other team 472 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 1: is one dimension, they have to pass it. You want 473 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 1: to be able to get after it. McKinley and some 474 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 1: of the other young guys there. Gives them an opportunity 475 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:11,200 Speaker 1: to get back because I don't think they're going anywhere 476 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:12,479 Speaker 1: when they go back to the Super Bowl next year. 477 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:13,679 Speaker 1: I don't know. I think it's tough to kind of 478 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 1: come back from that hangover. But in terms of being 479 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:17,679 Speaker 1: a team that is built to make a run the 480 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 1: next three or four years, they certainly can do that. 481 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:21,200 Speaker 1: All right. Last pick here in the first round. You 482 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:25,680 Speaker 1: know it's funny, the New England Pages Jabriel Peppers, Michigan Safety. 483 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 1: This is a team that understands how to use and 484 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 1: deploy their person there, whatever their special trades are, whatever 485 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 1: they have in terms of versatile skills, Bill Belichick does 486 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 1: a great job of using it. Peppers would give them 487 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 1: something that they haven't really had in the back end, 488 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 1: a guy that can kind of be a hybrid player 489 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 1: that can do a bunch of different things. I'm sure 490 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 1: he would love to have a guy like that that 491 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:48,199 Speaker 1: he kind of tinking with and move around and do 492 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: some special things with unique skill set. There. All right, 493 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 1: real quick, I'll go to the update on my top fifty. 494 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 1: Not a lot of changes. Um. O J. Howard did 495 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 1: move up a handful of spots after seeing him down 496 00:20:57,359 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 1: to Senior Bowl. I've gotten in Joe Coup the tightening 497 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:02,679 Speaker 1: from Miami one spot ahead of him there, twelve and thirteen. 498 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:05,879 Speaker 1: I think they're both, you know, top fifteen type guys, 499 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 1: big time dudes. Um, go back through here, Deshaun Kaiser. 500 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 1: It really had some other guys kind of climbed up 501 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 1: above him. Derek Barnett moved up, talked about O. J. Howard. Um, 502 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 1: so he just dropped down a couple of spots. He's 503 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 1: might still my top quarterback at eighteen. Um McCaffrey, I 504 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 1: moved up four spots. Buck again. I'm just watching these 505 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: playoff games and watching running backs with that diverse skill 506 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: set how you can employ them in today's league. And 507 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:31,119 Speaker 1: I just thought, this guy's this guy is gonna be 508 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:32,399 Speaker 1: a really good player. I think it's gonna be a 509 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 1: really good play in the right system people to understand 510 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:36,440 Speaker 1: how to have a clear plan for using I think 511 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 1: automatically day when he's your return specialist, he automatically is 512 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:41,879 Speaker 1: your third down guy. If he can show that he 513 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 1: can run the ball a little more, maybe he does more, 514 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 1: but I think he is a guy like Dann Sproles 515 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:48,360 Speaker 1: has been able to do throughout his career. He can 516 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 1: give you those flash plays in a variety of different ways. 517 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 1: Marlon Humphrey from Alabama moved up a lot for me, 518 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:55,879 Speaker 1: really just went back and watched a couple more games. 519 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:57,679 Speaker 1: He's a tough one for me to figure out. I 520 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 1: appreciate his natural ability. Bumped him up because of that. 521 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:03,399 Speaker 1: Now he loses some fifty balls, which I discussed, but 522 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 1: just a really really athletic kid. Um you like to 523 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 1: work with Hassan Reddick I hadn't done previously. We touched 524 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,440 Speaker 1: on the linebacker from Temple. He comes in at number 525 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 1: forty one, Ryan Anderson. Again, as I'm kind of watching 526 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 1: Humphrey and seeing more Ryan Anderson, I appreciate just everything 527 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 1: that he does. Not gonna be the greatest athlete, I 528 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:24,640 Speaker 1: don't think, but just use that term. He's there's there's 529 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,200 Speaker 1: there's a place guys that play hard, sometimes they find 530 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: a way to win and always have steady production. Evan 531 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 1: ingram Uh moved into the list. Tight end from Old 532 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 1: miss had a great week down there. Gerald Everett we've 533 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 1: discussed previously, South Alabama tight end, one of my favorite 534 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:39,920 Speaker 1: players in the draft, but showed up at two hundred 535 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:42,439 Speaker 1: twenty seven pounds at the Senior Bowl after playing at 536 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 1: the Wait thing troubled me a little bit. So he 537 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,199 Speaker 1: drops in Fabian Morrow, the corner from u c. L A. 538 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 1: Was the East West game. Six ft, two hundred pounds. 539 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,400 Speaker 1: You're gonna run under four four buck. It's a good 540 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:55,399 Speaker 1: football player, and to me, I think he's he's a 541 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,399 Speaker 1: second round pick all day long. You know, he is 542 00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:59,400 Speaker 1: a guy that is casting buzz. When we saw him 543 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 1: down to the East West, when you talked to scouts 544 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 1: about him, he just thought he was very sucked. He 545 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 1: was very solid in all aspects. Nothing necessarily great, but 546 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:09,959 Speaker 1: very very good in a bunch of different things. Uh, 547 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 1: big corners are hard to find. Big corners are hard 548 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 1: to find, and your number two corner, he doesn't necessarily 549 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 1: need to be a star. He just to be steady. 550 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 1: Eddie and I think he could be a steady Eddie 551 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 1: corner Terrell Basham defensive end from Ohio. You did a 552 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 1: nice job at the Senior Bowl as well. He cracked 553 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 1: the list at forty nine. So that's some of the 554 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,120 Speaker 1: updates there from the whole we're missing a guy we want. 555 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 1: We're missing a guy that has a lot of buzz 556 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 1: on his name, Zach Zach Cunningham, Zach cunning him from 557 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 1: every time I look at all these lists, I see 558 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,159 Speaker 1: his name. When I talked to scouts, I have some 559 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 1: guys tell me that he could be one of the 560 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 1: best inside guys in the country in the draft. Till 561 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 1: me a little bit about Zach. So a lot of 562 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,159 Speaker 1: people will question me on this one. So how do 563 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 1: you not have him in your top fifty? Again, you 564 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 1: each have your own list based off your own grades. Now, 565 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,360 Speaker 1: he does some good things. I think he's He's got 566 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,639 Speaker 1: obviously great size, he can really really run. He's got 567 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 1: some lateral range. But to me, he's a little bit 568 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 1: high cut, which means you got your long legged He's 569 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:06,119 Speaker 1: a little bit stiff. Um. I thought he played a 570 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,399 Speaker 1: little bit timid at times. Again, I appreciate the size, 571 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 1: the speed, combination. He's got production there Vanderbilt, no doubt. 572 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: I just like some of these other guys better like you, 573 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 1: like you tell me, I know, I know you said 574 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,200 Speaker 1: somebody compared him to that, they would compare him to 575 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 1: Reuben Foster, which I don't even think that's even Remember 576 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,200 Speaker 1: there's some there's some guys. Some scouts in the Southeast 577 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 1: talked about of the two, they preferred Zach Cunningham because 578 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 1: of the size and and and what he looks like. 579 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,119 Speaker 1: He's a body, beautiful kid. He does have sideline, the 580 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:36,960 Speaker 1: sideline range. I questioned some of the instincts when I 581 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:38,679 Speaker 1: looked at it on tape. Sometimes I felt like I 582 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:40,159 Speaker 1: needed him to pull the trigger and he was a 583 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 1: little late pulling the trigger. Um, he makes some plays, 584 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 1: But to me, you're talking about wanting someone in those 585 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 1: first two rounds. I won't splash plays. I want plays 586 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,919 Speaker 1: that our difference making in the game, game changing plays. 587 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:54,399 Speaker 1: I didn't see a lot of those. I saw a 588 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,159 Speaker 1: lot of tackles. I couldn't dispute the production, but I 589 00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,360 Speaker 1: didn't see a lot of TfL s. I didn't see 590 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 1: sacks when he a blitzer. I didn't see forced fumbles 591 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:06,400 Speaker 1: or interception strikes, any explosive strike, I didn't. I saw 592 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,680 Speaker 1: a guy that was kind of uh rugged, he would 593 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:11,919 Speaker 1: get you down. I just wonder if he had some 594 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 1: nasty The difference between like Zach Cunningham and a guy 595 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 1: like um, either Jerry Davis or even Ruben Foster. Ruben 596 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 1: Foster plays, you feel his presence off the tape, his physicality, 597 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 1: his toughness, his alpha presence. I felt that with Zack. 598 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 1: I didn't feel that, And I don't know. Maybe that's 599 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 1: something that in the right environment you put him on 600 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 1: a defense that is full of dogs. Like maybe if 601 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 1: he goes to Houston, for instance, and he has J. J. Watton, 602 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,639 Speaker 1: Clowney and all those other guys, maybe he steps up 603 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 1: his physicality. But I just would like to see a 604 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 1: little more aggressiveness from a guy that inside based off 605 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 1: what you've seen right now. I saw him at the 606 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 1: Senior Boy as well. Tomorrow you gotta You're in the 607 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,159 Speaker 1: draft room and they asked you, Bucky, we're up. When 608 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 1: you're a lineback, you're taking a San Reddick or you're 609 00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:00,359 Speaker 1: gonna take Zach Cunningham. Who you're taking. I think I 610 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 1: signed Reddick is just more active and active guys have 611 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 1: a tendency to make more plays. And the versatility and 612 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:08,680 Speaker 1: the thing I'm gonna go with hassign Reddick just so 613 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 1: was the motor. The motor revs a little higher than 614 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,159 Speaker 1: cutting him. I think cunning him can be a good player. 615 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 1: When I wrote down in my notes, I wrote down, 616 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:19,440 Speaker 1: he kind of reminds me a little bit of Derrick Johnson, 617 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 1: because I thought Derrick Johnson was Derrick Johnson was a 618 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 1: finesse linebacker at Texas, and he was a tough evalue. 619 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 1: He was athletic, run it made a lot of production, 620 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,200 Speaker 1: could run like crazy, but he was finesse. That was 621 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 1: a big knock on him. And so he reminded me 622 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,879 Speaker 1: of Derrick Johnson. And a player like that is very 623 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 1: important that he has covered up, meaning that the guy 624 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 1: that plays in front of him, the defensive tackle, absorbs 625 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:40,200 Speaker 1: and eats up a lot of blocks so this guy 626 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,920 Speaker 1: can run a chase, because I felt like when blockers 627 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 1: got into him, he was slowly disengaged, like he could 628 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 1: kind of be nullified if people are able to climb 629 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 1: and get on top of him. Some other guys Foster 630 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 1: and some of the other guys that we will talking 631 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,640 Speaker 1: about they just find a way to get to the ball. 632 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 1: I need to see him get to the ball. Now. 633 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 1: Derrick Johnson maybe a Hall of Famer, He's had a 634 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 1: great career, he has a great great players. But but 635 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,120 Speaker 1: I can remember in the draft room I was in Baltimore, 636 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,359 Speaker 1: there was a lot of conversation. There was a big debate. 637 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,400 Speaker 1: He is not that's not our type of player. Now. 638 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 1: He is not a physical striker. He's an a void. 639 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 1: He's a slip block guy. That's not what we play 640 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 1: with here. Yeah, and and Zack hasn't mastered the art 641 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 1: of slipping blocks. And so that's the thing you have 642 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:19,120 Speaker 1: to learn. If he's not going to be a guy 643 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,240 Speaker 1: that takes him on, he's not gonna be a banger, 644 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:22,879 Speaker 1: then he's gonna have to be able to be very 645 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 1: very good at slipping and get through cracks so we 646 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,879 Speaker 1: can have so he can make productive plays. I did 647 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,159 Speaker 1: you see that. I think Derrick Johnson is a nice comparison. 648 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 1: I mean, Derrick Johnson was someone I think went thirteen. Um. 649 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 1: I think Zack's range is somewhere at the bottom of 650 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 1: the first to somewhere in the second round. We'll see 651 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,120 Speaker 1: where he goes. But I know it's easy for guys 652 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:42,919 Speaker 1: to fall in love and doing this part of the 653 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 1: process when they see him walk out. He's a body, 654 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 1: beautiful kids, six four forty pounds, looks like he can 655 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,439 Speaker 1: run a little bit. He may go higher than the 656 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 1: way to hear, and that's okay. And and again, when 657 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 1: you're evaluating players, it's not whether you're right or whether 658 00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 1: you're wrong. It's not determined non draft day, no, no, 659 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,480 Speaker 1: no one on what the end up being throughout their career. 660 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 1: And for me, I just have some other guys that 661 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:04,879 Speaker 1: I that I like a little bit better than him. 662 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 1: A couple other things bucket I want to get to 663 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,719 Speaker 1: before we roll out of here. UM one. UM. A 664 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,440 Speaker 1: couple of things that team building and culture things we're 665 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,199 Speaker 1: gonna hear a lot about as you're going through free 666 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:16,960 Speaker 1: agency and into the draft, and we have some new 667 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 1: coaches and some new people in place around the league, 668 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,119 Speaker 1: and I've talked to folks. I've heard about some some 669 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,159 Speaker 1: change in culture that that's taking place in some of 670 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,159 Speaker 1: these organizations. And it was fascinating to me about, you know, 671 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 1: some of the different things that are that are going on. 672 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,639 Speaker 1: One of them, Um, it was just you. We you 673 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,200 Speaker 1: didn't have to deal with this when you were playing league, 674 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:36,879 Speaker 1: when I was scouting, didn't have to deal with it. 675 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 1: But one organization where they're gonna cut down on the 676 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 1: use of electronics within the facility. So for players, you know, 677 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 1: like you're in there, like in you're in a training 678 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,480 Speaker 1: room or you're in a locker room or whatever. They 679 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 1: don't want cell phones in there. You can those are 680 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 1: turned off. The reason being was explained to me is 681 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 1: and it was kind of interesting. I kind of like, 682 00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 1: at first, I was like, come on, man, what year 683 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 1: is this. Then I start thinking about it, and I said, 684 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 1: this does make some sense. It was Okay, we're gonna 685 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 1: develop team and get to know your teammates and and 686 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 1: have some chemistry here. You can't all have You can't 687 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 1: have fifty three players in their locker just staring at 688 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 1: their phone the whole time. And then it's time to 689 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 1: go to meeting. You're sitting there waiting for the meeting 690 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 1: to start. You're staring at your phone. Coach comes in, Okay, 691 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 1: turn the phone off instead of being in the meeting room, 692 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 1: and while you're waiting for the coach, it's hey, what's 693 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 1: going on with your son, is is he graduate? How 694 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,719 Speaker 1: is graduate? Okay? What's going on? Hey? When we play this, 695 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 1: they're running this defense? You know, what do you think 696 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 1: about doing this? Those deeper level conversations. Some people feel 697 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 1: like those don't take place anymore because everybody's individualistic. Culture, 698 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 1: everybody's obsessed with their electronics, so they're trying to limit 699 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 1: that a little bit. So again, culture is the buzzword. 700 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 1: You hear a lot about that, and so there's some 701 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 1: of these little changes. I'm I'm makes to see how 702 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 1: it all how it all works out. So a couple 703 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 1: different things. Having one, we both have kids, we understand 704 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,560 Speaker 1: how to deal with that. Is is different in the 705 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 1: house watching your kids interact, and sometimes you have the 706 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 1: car ride and they're on the phone to time, so 707 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 1: it can be that, how about the dinner table, the 708 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 1: dinner table, trying to get that put them, put the 709 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,960 Speaker 1: phone away or whatever. But then in coaching high school athletes, 710 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 1: and particularly as some of these all star events or 711 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 1: gatherings at the opening, it is a challenge dealing with 712 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:16,960 Speaker 1: today's kid when sometimes you are coaching them up and 713 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 1: we're watching tape and everyone has their phone out and 714 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 1: you're like, hey, guys, let's put the phone away, or 715 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:23,960 Speaker 1: in the middle of seven or seven games you look 716 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 1: over taking pictures of doing snapchat. They're on their phone 717 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,960 Speaker 1: in between. So there does need to be some regulation. 718 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 1: But this is what I will say, when you're dealing 719 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 1: with today's athlete, that process has to be very, very dynamic. 720 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 1: When it comes to in the locker room. In teaching, 721 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 1: you have to be able to keep their attention. Um 722 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh talks about more walkthroughs than meeting time. I 723 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 1: know when Chip Kelly was a head coach, not only 724 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 1: in Philly but in San Francisco, those meetings were confined 725 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 1: to maybe twenty to twenty five minutes because anything beyond 726 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 1: that their attention. So if you're going to do that, 727 00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 1: you need to be able to find a way to 728 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:03,040 Speaker 1: capture their tension. Because without their phones, because remember they're 729 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 1: on their phones all the time, so they used a 730 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 1: quick information things go, their attention man, is very very short. 731 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 1: So those coaches that in the front of the room, 732 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:12,560 Speaker 1: they also need to be dyning. If you're gonna put 733 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 1: the old sixty five year old guy just talking, you're 734 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,479 Speaker 1: gonna lose them. But I do like, hey, let's put 735 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:21,640 Speaker 1: it away. Let's make sure we get together and understand 736 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 1: exactly what we're doing. Let's just fascinating to me. And 737 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 1: one one quick story. I listened to this podcast, Entree 738 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 1: Leadership podcast. Ken Coleman hosts it. It's it's like one 739 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 1: of my favorite podcasts to listen to. They have different 740 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 1: leaders in business and and sports and trying leadership just 741 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 1: to try and tying all this stuff together. He had 742 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,160 Speaker 1: a guy on there that was an assistant coach under 743 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 1: Chuck Daily with the Pistons, and this was during the 744 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 1: years were the Dream Team. So Chuck Daily coach the 745 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,920 Speaker 1: Dream Team, the greatest team ever assembled, bast Magic Bird, 746 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 1: you know, Jordan's everybody, Barkley, Patrick Ewing, David Robinson, all 747 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 1: those dudes. So he was telling the story, which I 748 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 1: thought was great. He said, you know we had He 749 00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:58,720 Speaker 1: knew for a year and a half that Chuck Daily 750 00:31:58,760 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 1: was going to be the coach. So he's in ait 751 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 1: and he knows he's gonna be there with him. So 752 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 1: he said we'd be on road trips in the NBA 753 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 1: that year. And I would say, Chuck, have you thought 754 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,239 Speaker 1: about what what you're gonna say to the team when 755 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 1: you first get him together? I'm good. I'm good. He's like, 756 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,480 Speaker 1: wait a little bit longer. Next, you know, Chuck, you 757 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 1: want to bounce some ideas off of each other, and 758 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 1: you're gonna be standing in a room with twelve Hall 759 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,040 Speaker 1: of Fame players, Like, how are you gonna address him? 760 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 1: What's that first? No, I'm good, I'm good. So he's like, 761 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:24,880 Speaker 1: so we get to this meeting. I get there in 762 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,560 Speaker 1: Lahoya where the Dream Team is gonna train, and they 763 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 1: get in the room and he said, the room set 764 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 1: up like a you So there's Chuck, Chuck Dailey is 765 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:32,840 Speaker 1: not at the head of the table. There's not talking 766 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 1: down to the guys from a podium. Everybody's looking at 767 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 1: each other. And so he's like, I'm sitting here just 768 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:38,720 Speaker 1: fastened to see what he's gonna say in this first meeting. 769 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 1: And the first thing he says is, guys, listen up, 770 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,719 Speaker 1: I need you to be on time. And then this 771 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 1: guy like said his jaw dropped, like you had like 772 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 1: a year and a half to plan this thing, and 773 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 1: that's literally what you're coming with. I need you to 774 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,080 Speaker 1: be on time. And he paused for a minute and 775 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 1: he said, because uh, you know, Patrick, if you're not 776 00:32:56,600 --> 00:33:00,240 Speaker 1: on time, that's not respecting Charles. Charles, if you're not 777 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,760 Speaker 1: on time, that's not respecting Michael. You know, Michael, if 778 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,360 Speaker 1: you're not on that's not respecting John Stockton. We have 779 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 1: respect for one another. We need to be on time. 780 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,560 Speaker 1: So he said, the next day they had their first practice. 781 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:12,720 Speaker 1: Bus is going to be there at twelve to leave 782 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,040 Speaker 1: at twelve. He said, Michael Jordan was on the bus 783 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 1: at eleven, fifty five minutes before the bus left. And 784 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,760 Speaker 1: he said, for that entire process with these Hall of 785 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,720 Speaker 1: Fame players, he said, Michael Jordan was there, was on 786 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,480 Speaker 1: the bus at least thirty minutes before the bus was 787 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 1: to depart. Talk about leadership and setting an example. And 788 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,520 Speaker 1: then he said, nobody said the closest anybody came to 789 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:34,720 Speaker 1: be in late for a bus through that whole process 790 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,320 Speaker 1: was ten minutes early. That's funny. And and I'm gonna 791 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,800 Speaker 1: go back that because I've had it. Okay, we'll go 792 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:45,040 Speaker 1: back playing experience played on Tom Cofflin. Tom Cofflin's rule 793 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 1: was five minutes early. Uh. The meeting was at ten, 794 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 1: The meetings gonna started nine. UM. I have since learned 795 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 1: and taking sports site classes. UH. Dr Silva at North Carolina. 796 00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 1: We had Anson Dorris and people come in and the 797 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:00,520 Speaker 1: one thing they said, if you're gonna have one rule, 798 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 1: if you put be on time as a rule, it 799 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 1: encompasses everything because to be on time, you have to 800 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:09,800 Speaker 1: be organized, you have to be aware, you have to 801 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,560 Speaker 1: be respectful, you have to understand all of those things 802 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,560 Speaker 1: and those factors. So that one rule that he did 803 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,120 Speaker 1: covered a lot of different things, and it obviously worked 804 00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:20,480 Speaker 1: for them because they had the success that the have, 805 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 1: But you also see how it affects other people. And 806 00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:27,440 Speaker 1: from Michael Jordan's just knowing the Carolina basketball program and 807 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:29,919 Speaker 1: kind of being around and taking classes. They talked about 808 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:34,080 Speaker 1: Dean Smith, and Dean Smith said, um, being tardy is 809 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:37,200 Speaker 1: the most disrespectful thing that you can do because it 810 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,919 Speaker 1: means that you value your time over anybody over anybody else. 811 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:42,759 Speaker 1: And so that's kind of been one of those things. 812 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:44,480 Speaker 1: So I absolutely agree with that. And so anyways, I 813 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,080 Speaker 1: thought was even though I struggled with it, no, but 814 00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,120 Speaker 1: I just I thought that was I thought it was 815 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:53,680 Speaker 1: pretty fasting. Arena stopped laughing back laughing. Last, Um, hey, 816 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,480 Speaker 1: real quick, last thing before we roll. We've talked in 817 00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,320 Speaker 1: the past. We brought it up previously about this quarterback 818 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:03,520 Speaker 1: class and and quarterbacks in general, and we wondered, people say, well, 819 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,280 Speaker 1: winning is not a quarterback stat Well, I was listening 820 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,319 Speaker 1: to another podcast. You just kind of find out this 821 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,560 Speaker 1: is like my podcast favorites here um the Audible with 822 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:13,919 Speaker 1: with Bruce Feldman and Stewart Mendel. I think it's great 823 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:18,080 Speaker 1: podcast college to it. I started listening to it college 824 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,640 Speaker 1: football because I believe, even as a scout, there's a 825 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 1: lot that we can learn from people in the college 826 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,960 Speaker 1: football game because they know these guys sometimes a lot 827 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,080 Speaker 1: more than we know them until we kind of get 828 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 1: into the process. Yeah, it's a great, great podcast. And 829 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,040 Speaker 1: on signing day they had a bunch of the top 830 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,240 Speaker 1: coaches in the country on to talk about their kids. 831 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,880 Speaker 1: And so this whole process and this whole thought of 832 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 1: evaluation of quarterbacks in college as they go to the 833 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:41,640 Speaker 1: next level something we're gonna be immersed with here in 834 00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:43,319 Speaker 1: the next couple of months as we get towards the 835 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,279 Speaker 1: combine and the draft. Uh. Something caught my ear a 836 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,760 Speaker 1: little bit what urban Meyer said when they were talking 837 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,279 Speaker 1: to him on on the podcast about not just the 838 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:55,000 Speaker 1: skill sets, but about how successful these guys have been 839 00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,120 Speaker 1: from a win loss perspective, and we do not evaluate 840 00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:02,920 Speaker 1: on you know, size on completion percentage. We we evaluate 841 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:06,719 Speaker 1: on wins and losses. And in J. T. Barrett is 842 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:10,320 Speaker 1: a winner. Uh Cardell Jones was a winner. Braxon Miller 843 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,120 Speaker 1: was a winner. And then you got this guy coming 844 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,080 Speaker 1: in at I mean, there's a big time when I 845 00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,960 Speaker 1: don't know if he's ever lost, and so you can 846 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,440 Speaker 1: see that in his personality, the way he handles himself, 847 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:21,480 Speaker 1: and you see it. He's been here, you know, two 848 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,319 Speaker 1: and a half three weeks and that's all people say. 849 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:27,040 Speaker 1: You're just relentless pursuit of being a great player, but 850 00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:30,799 Speaker 1: also picking up those around him. So very impressed him 851 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,560 Speaker 1: so far too. So this got me thinking about my 852 00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,840 Speaker 1: little quarterback project I've been working on. Looking at the 853 00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,400 Speaker 1: thirty two starting quarterbacks in the NFL right now, now, 854 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,120 Speaker 1: a couple of them are a little bit nebulous. I 855 00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,239 Speaker 1: had to make a call on it. Um Houston. I 856 00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,759 Speaker 1: had Savage as a starter because he had replaced uh 857 00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:48,120 Speaker 1: Ostwiler late in the year, so that's one one that 858 00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,120 Speaker 1: was tricky. And then with the Jets, I put Bryce 859 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:51,799 Speaker 1: Petty in there. I've got no idea who they're gonna 860 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,760 Speaker 1: start next year. But anyways, look at those thirty two players, Bucky. 861 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:58,359 Speaker 1: Of the thirty two starting quarterbacks, only two of them. 862 00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:02,480 Speaker 1: Two of the thirty two, we're under five hundred their 863 00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:06,640 Speaker 1: last year in college. Those two, Jay Cutler and Trevor 864 00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,680 Speaker 1: Simeon who was at Northwestern. Thirty of the thirty two 865 00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:13,040 Speaker 1: had winning records. So that's gonna be the struggle to 866 00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,359 Speaker 1: me with the Shawn Kaiser. Now, I know everybody says, well, 867 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,400 Speaker 1: quarterbacks winning, that's not really a thing. Thirty and thirty 868 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,920 Speaker 1: two is pretty high percentage. And you hear somebody like 869 00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:22,920 Speaker 1: Irban Meyer talking about how the importance he places on 870 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:24,400 Speaker 1: it in the high school level, just kind of all 871 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,120 Speaker 1: this stuff kind of rolling through my head. I'm a 872 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:30,759 Speaker 1: big believer in it. I'm a big believer. Um God, 873 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,000 Speaker 1: what did uh? I almost say? Fifty cent said in 874 00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:36,680 Speaker 1: this song Winners win, losers lose it all the time. 875 00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,840 Speaker 1: There's there's something that's true to that. Um. When I 876 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:41,640 Speaker 1: was at North Carolina on the mcbrown who won a 877 00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,279 Speaker 1: national title at Texas, he was a big believer when 878 00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,400 Speaker 1: he built your program that you had to have winners 879 00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,920 Speaker 1: because winners inherently know how to get to the winner circle. 880 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,960 Speaker 1: It's in them. They're willing to buy in. They know that. 881 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:54,719 Speaker 1: At the end of the day, we talked about the 882 00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:58,480 Speaker 1: quarterback position being the most important position in football. That 883 00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:02,319 Speaker 1: guy needs to be able to tell everybody, Look, I 884 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,000 Speaker 1: know how to drive a car to the winner circle. 885 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,080 Speaker 1: Jump on board. I got this. And so if your 886 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:11,160 Speaker 1: quarterback doesn't have experience winning and particularly winning big games, 887 00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,080 Speaker 1: it's hard to get guys to buy into the notion 888 00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,440 Speaker 1: that when we need him to take his game up 889 00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,360 Speaker 1: a notch to win a big game, he's going to 890 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,319 Speaker 1: be able to do it. So what Urban says to 891 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,200 Speaker 1: me is very, very important, And I think it's important 892 00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,920 Speaker 1: as we get to this part of the process that 893 00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:29,480 Speaker 1: we remember that part of it. And I think it's 894 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,000 Speaker 1: gonna be fascinating to watch how we separate all of 895 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,279 Speaker 1: these quarterbacks, because all these quarterbacks have the skills to 896 00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,759 Speaker 1: be starters in the league. But trying to find the 897 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,040 Speaker 1: guys that have the potential to be the most successful, 898 00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,440 Speaker 1: you have to dig deeper than just the physical skills. 899 00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:45,200 Speaker 1: Those intangible qualities certainly matter, all right. So of the 900 00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,680 Speaker 1: thirty two starting quarterbacks I mentioned thirty of the thirty 901 00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:51,080 Speaker 1: two winning records, twenty four of the thirty two one 902 00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:55,400 Speaker 1: at least ten games there last year. And then I looked, okay, 903 00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,799 Speaker 1: So then I okay, let's look at completion percentage here 904 00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:02,839 Speaker 1: real quick, Um, your final year in college. Seven of 905 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,719 Speaker 1: the thirty two starters in the NFL their final year 906 00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:09,240 Speaker 1: in college were over sixty completion right again, the only 907 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,919 Speaker 1: two starters in the league right now that we're under 908 00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:15,480 Speaker 1: five hundred, and we're under sixty their final year in college. 909 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,399 Speaker 1: Where the to J Cutler, Trevor Simmons, that's it, they say, 910 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,319 Speaker 1: I mean, it speaks volumes. And I know during this time, 911 00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,960 Speaker 1: we'll we'll hear people say, oh, you can't worry about 912 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,160 Speaker 1: completion percentage because, uh, the way the game is rigged 913 00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,760 Speaker 1: at the college level. Uh, there's so many bubble passes 914 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:31,360 Speaker 1: and things that happened right in the longe of scrimptage. 915 00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:33,080 Speaker 1: When we not look at the league, I see a 916 00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:34,640 Speaker 1: lot of those same things. It's a lot of quick game, 917 00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:36,080 Speaker 1: a lot of quick game rather a you're pushing the 918 00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,000 Speaker 1: ball down the field. Tom Brady is a guy who's 919 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:39,799 Speaker 1: a master of the quick game. He can't make some 920 00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,440 Speaker 1: plays at the intermediate box, meaning at eleven to twenty, 921 00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,200 Speaker 1: but rarely are guys really chunking it all the way 922 00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,000 Speaker 1: down to field. You have to be efficient and effective. 923 00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:51,279 Speaker 1: So when you add the efficiency and the effectiveness as 924 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:56,600 Speaker 1: a passer with winning games meaning you understand situations and 925 00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,600 Speaker 1: score and how to manage the game, there are a 926 00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:01,640 Speaker 1: lot of factors they're going to winning games, and if 927 00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,440 Speaker 1: the quarterback has that mastered, your team can win a 928 00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,480 Speaker 1: lot of games. The one quarterback who his last year 929 00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:10,320 Speaker 1: was under six that has really kind of been a 930 00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:13,080 Speaker 1: great quarterback is Matt Ryan. He was fifty nine point 931 00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:18,080 Speaker 1: three at Boston Colleges last year. Now, Sam Bradford only 932 00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,319 Speaker 1: played three games his last year, so that number was low, 933 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,680 Speaker 1: fifty six point five, but over his career sixty seven 934 00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,080 Speaker 1: point six. So that was just I think, I think, 935 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,279 Speaker 1: I think, I think the bigger thing when it comes 936 00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,040 Speaker 1: to as we're doing a quarterback project um is not 937 00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,840 Speaker 1: only looking at their final season, but also kind of 938 00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,680 Speaker 1: weighing it against what their career thing was, what was 939 00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:40,160 Speaker 1: their career record, what did they do over the totality 940 00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,279 Speaker 1: of their playing days at the collegiate level. We will 941 00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,920 Speaker 1: refer to this the Bill Parcells rule. Bill Parcells preferred 942 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,160 Speaker 1: quarterbacks had two and a half starts, I mean two 943 00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:51,360 Speaker 1: and a half years as it started meeting thirty starts. 944 00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:53,880 Speaker 1: He wanted him to have twenty three wins. He wanted 945 00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,640 Speaker 1: that completion percentage to be over sixty, and they needed 946 00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,920 Speaker 1: to be college graduates. The graduate thing spoke to the 947 00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:04,320 Speaker 1: maturity obviously, the completion percentage talked about the accuracy the wins. 948 00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,080 Speaker 1: Is that winning pedigree, understanding how to get it done, 949 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,360 Speaker 1: and then you just want to see a sustained track 950 00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,080 Speaker 1: record of success. So as we're looking at that, it 951 00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,919 Speaker 1: is important to remember. And so I just did a thing, 952 00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:18,960 Speaker 1: uh we posted yesterday. I did the book on Deshaun Watson, 953 00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:23,279 Speaker 1: and I believe Deshaun Watson is probably the most polarizing 954 00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:27,160 Speaker 1: prospect in this draft because coaches can fall in love 955 00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:30,000 Speaker 1: with him because of the wins. He won thirty two 956 00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,680 Speaker 1: of thirty five games during his time as a collegian. 957 00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:34,479 Speaker 1: But when you look at the tape, there's some things 958 00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:36,080 Speaker 1: that you don't like. He had a bunch of turnovers, 959 00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:39,400 Speaker 1: thirty interceptions over the past two years. Uh, completion percentage 960 00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,759 Speaker 1: was over sixty and that stuff. But you see him 961 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,080 Speaker 1: miss some layoffs down the field, and it's a lot 962 00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,799 Speaker 1: of kind of quick rhythm throws. So as you're kind 963 00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,480 Speaker 1: of doing the evaluation, you're like, man, there's some stuff. 964 00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,239 Speaker 1: But then when you turn on the big games, he 965 00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,520 Speaker 1: is a guy that typically looks like the best guy 966 00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,319 Speaker 1: on the field. So what do you do with that? 967 00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,759 Speaker 1: I'm fascinated to see what do NFL evaluators do with 968 00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:03,840 Speaker 1: all of that information? Did you go with production or potential? 969 00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,040 Speaker 1: When it comes to and I want to make sure 970 00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:10,399 Speaker 1: that I clarify here, I'm I'm I'm tape guy. I'm 971 00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,480 Speaker 1: not a number. I'm not told I know, but I 972 00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,720 Speaker 1: just like, I think it's helpful to supplement the tape 973 00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:18,880 Speaker 1: when you look at things like this and to say, okay, 974 00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:21,560 Speaker 1: like a Deshaun Kaiser, who I have as my top quarterback, 975 00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,200 Speaker 1: I think he's got tremendous ability, tremendous tools. There's a 976 00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,840 Speaker 1: lot to work with now when you look at and say, okay, 977 00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,680 Speaker 1: but just from a numbers perspective, under sixty is final. 978 00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,120 Speaker 1: You're in college with a losing record. That's a narrow 979 00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,520 Speaker 1: field of guys that have that have been and we're 980 00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:36,960 Speaker 1: talking about Trevor Simeon and Jake Cutler. We're not talking about, 981 00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:38,879 Speaker 1: you know, the top quarterbacks in the league here. Okay, 982 00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:40,839 Speaker 1: so let's break this down. So this is what we're 983 00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,319 Speaker 1: doing because you talk about your tape guy, and the 984 00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,600 Speaker 1: numbers are to supplement it. In a draft room, when 985 00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:50,399 Speaker 1: you have similarly graded players, you're trying to come in 986 00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,520 Speaker 1: with all the ammunition to seal you're a guy or 987 00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,399 Speaker 1: to kind of be the you're a lawyer. And so 988 00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:59,880 Speaker 1: when you're doing that and you add that up, you 989 00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,400 Speaker 1: bring that in, you bring in winning for centogens and 990 00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:04,680 Speaker 1: what are the notable games? And do they have common opponents? 991 00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:07,200 Speaker 1: How did they play versus the same guy? All of 992 00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:10,400 Speaker 1: those things matter because what you're trying to do is 993 00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,760 Speaker 1: you're trying to give yourself the best odds of lending 994 00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,600 Speaker 1: the best player for your team. And so I believe 995 00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,000 Speaker 1: that information matters. You have to have the eye for 996 00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,839 Speaker 1: what I want on tape. But then the number, I'm 997 00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:24,839 Speaker 1: a big believer in supplementing that. So when I look 998 00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,239 Speaker 1: at our receivers, to me, I'm a big believer in 999 00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,360 Speaker 1: yards per catch. What is the yards per catch average? 1000 00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,319 Speaker 1: Are they averaging fifteen and sixteen? Because that's a big 1001 00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:35,600 Speaker 1: play player. If they're averaging nine ten yards per they're 1002 00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:37,520 Speaker 1: just a guy that's just catching the ball and going down. 1003 00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,800 Speaker 1: So it's similar. Numbers do matter. The stats can certainly 1004 00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,680 Speaker 1: paint a picture if used correctly with the tape and 1005 00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,319 Speaker 1: with running backs. To me, explosive runs so runs over 1006 00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:49,040 Speaker 1: twenty plus yards are are a big number. Uh. Look, 1007 00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:50,680 Speaker 1: we're gonna have time to get into all this stuff within. 1008 00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:52,759 Speaker 1: It's a pretty media episode here, buck, It's been a 1009 00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,480 Speaker 1: lot of fun. Uh. We have one more thing to 1010 00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:57,239 Speaker 1: remind the folks of before we get out of here, 1011 00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:00,319 Speaker 1: and that's our scouting competition. Um. We have of uh 1012 00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,919 Speaker 1: we have got I think what hundred our juna close 1013 00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,759 Speaker 1: to a hundred responses already. 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