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Speaker 1: Hi, get everybody. I'm Dan Hord and thanks for downloading

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Speaker 1: The Bengals Booth Podcast. The Celebrate Celebrate Dance to the

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Speaker 1: Music edition as we celebrate the two newest editions to

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Speaker 1: the Bengals Ring of Honor, Dave Lapham and Leap and

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Speaker 1: Lamar Parish. The Bengals Booth Podcast is brought to you

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Speaker 1: Now here's a quick reminder that you can have the

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Speaker 1: It's the greatest thing since a Buddy's golf trip. I

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Speaker 1: recently returned home from a six day, eight man golf

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Speaker 1: trip to Ireland that was a once in a lifetime experience.

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Speaker 1: We played bucket list courses in ideal weather conditions, drank

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Speaker 1: plenty of Guinness, listen to live music in pubs and laughed, Our,

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Speaker 1: you know what's off. All of those details were great,

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Speaker 1: but the best part was renewing and building friendships. They

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Speaker 1: enrich your life and medical research indicates that friendships improve

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Speaker 1: your health. I am blessed to have so many great friends,

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Speaker 1: including one of two people selected by season ticket members

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Speaker 1: to enter the Bengals Ring of Honor this year, my

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Speaker 1: broadcast partner, Dave Lapham. This season will be the fifty

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Speaker 1: eighth in team history, and lapp has been a part

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Speaker 1: of fifty ten years as an outstanding offensive lineman who

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Speaker 1: started at left guard in Super Bowl sixteen, and now

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Speaker 1: forty years in the broadcast booth, where he is connected

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Speaker 1: with fans as well as any broadcaster in any sport.

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Speaker 1: Here is team president Mike Brown on Dave lappam.

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Speaker 2: Dave was smart enough, no one questions that, but that's

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Speaker 2: never what stood out about him in my mind. He

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Speaker 2: went beyond that. He was built like a football player.

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Speaker 2: The first time I ever saw him, he was in

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Speaker 2: his shirts and a training table at the Blue Gray

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Speaker 2: game down in Alabama, and Jesus I looked at him

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Speaker 2: and then I said, this guy, he's built like they're

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Speaker 2: supposed to be big over He was an excellent player,

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Speaker 3: But it went beyond that.

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Speaker 2: He has become someone tied to the Bengals in his

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Speaker 2: own special way. He was a player for us and

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Speaker 2: later he was an announcer for us. He can tell

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Speaker 2: our story. He's been around here close on to fifty

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Speaker 2: years as a player and as an announcer. He knows

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Speaker 2: and he can tell about them. He's a good storyteller.

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Speaker 2: I know this doesn't have much to do with being

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Speaker 2: like being around him. He's fun and that isn't something

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Speaker 2: unique with me. Everyone feels that way. They gravitate towards

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Speaker 2: him because he just makes the occasion happier. I'm glad

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Speaker 2: he's in this list. He's deserving.

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Speaker 1: I've had a few speaking engagements in recent months where

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Speaker 1: I have shared my three wishes for the upcoming year.

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Speaker 1: One a cure for baldness, two a Bengal Super Bowl title,

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Speaker 1: and three seeing Dave Lapham get chosen for the Ring

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Speaker 1: of Honor. Here's my conversation with a great player, broadcaster

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Speaker 1: and friend, lap How did the Bengals deliver the news

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Speaker 1: that you are being adducted into the Ring of Honor.

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Speaker 3: It was, it was it was pretty uh emotional, really,

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Speaker 3: you hope and dream you get a phone call like that,

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Speaker 3: but to actually get that phone call, it's like, I

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Speaker 3: better pinch myself. Am I dreaming? Am I? Am? I

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Speaker 3: And Mike Brown, the organization number, came up. Mike came

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Speaker 3: far as Mike's concern, very factual. You know, I just

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Speaker 3: voting on by the fans, you know, and U you

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Speaker 3: and Lamar Parrish. And he was then he got pretty

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Speaker 3: It's like, man, a bunch of plattus and flowers being

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Speaker 3: I mean it. It really pumped your ego up, There's

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Speaker 1: Are now twelve members of the Ring of Honor, and

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Speaker 1: Six of the inductees were teammates of yours. The other

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Speaker 1: Does it make the honor especially meaningful for you to

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Speaker 3: It does, Dan, You know. The fact that you know,

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Speaker 3: I've just been able to be around the organization for

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Speaker 3: coming up on the fiftieth years is something very significant

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Speaker 3: to me. It's rare. It doesn't happen very long and

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Speaker 3: You know. In my case, so there's not really very

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Speaker 3: you make incredible bonds, man, I mean, you know, it's

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Speaker 3: It's almost like to survive. You have to. You know,

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Speaker 1: Lap you enter with Lamar Parish. What are your most

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Speaker 3: Leap and Lamar. My most vivid memory of Leap and

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Speaker 3: Lamar is what a character the guy was. I mean,

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Speaker 3: Lamar for a little while, you know, and all of

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Speaker 3: He was a very very positive guy. Every day was

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Speaker 3: was interesting in his wardrobe too. I mean, oh my gosh, man,

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Speaker 3: He had he had big hats with big brims, plumes

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Speaker 3: And and they were tailor to perfection. He had a

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Speaker 3: like a finely tuned machine. The guy was never out

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Speaker 3: He was as gifted an athlete as I think I've

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Speaker 3: really was, because, like I said, he was so well read,

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00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,400
Speaker 3: and he had his favorite authors that he taught about.

432
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 3: He'd talk about books that that he read, that that author,

433
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 3: you know, you know, just just came out with and

434
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:10,880
Speaker 3: I mean a lot of them were I really had

435
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 3: no idea who he was talking about. I wasn't. I

436
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,399
Speaker 3: wasn't into the the areas that he was into and

437
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 3: as deeply as he was into, that's for sure of it.

438
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 3: But he was an unbelievably educated man. And you know,

439
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 3: he basically looked at himself as a teacher if he

440
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,359
Speaker 3: if he was not going to be a football coach,

441
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 3: he told me he was going to be a teacher

442
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:36,639
Speaker 3: if it didn't work out coaching football, because you know,

443
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:42,880
Speaker 3: basically it's football coach is part of their description. Part

444
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,919
Speaker 3: of what they need to be able to do is teach,

445
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:51,360
Speaker 3: teach the game and make sure the players understand what

446
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,680
Speaker 3: he's saying. I understand not only what he's saying, why

447
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,880
Speaker 3: he's saying it, how he's saying it, what led him

448
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 3: to that conclusion to say what he's saying. And Pep

449
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 3: was unbelievable that way. I do remember him going up

450
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,439
Speaker 3: to the board when I was a rookie. He was

451
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,639
Speaker 3: still the head coach and installed. He would like to

452
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 3: be the first installation of a play. And man, he

453
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 3: would get up there and just pontificate about here's what

454
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,639
Speaker 3: we're doing in terms of blocking scheme, blocking pattern, and

455
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 3: here's why we're doing it. And if they do this,

456
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 3: here's how we're going to adjust to that. And he

457
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:30,199
Speaker 3: I mean his installation was the row. I mean he

458
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 3: was into the weeds, man.

459
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 5: Uh.

460
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,160
Speaker 3: And he do that with every position group, offensive line,

461
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 3: you know, a quarterback, running backs, wide receivers. Here's what

462
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,639
Speaker 3: you're doing, here's why you're doing it. Here's the reason

463
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:46,439
Speaker 3: that we think this might work. Uh, here's we're gonna

464
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 3: We're gonna emphasize using this play because of the skill

465
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,919
Speaker 3: set that you have. Chip Myers or Bob Trumpy or

466
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 3: Isaac Curtis, whether it be straight line speed, whether it

467
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 3: be big body with long arms, can test the catchability.

468
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,200
Speaker 3: I mean, he would He would get into all of it.

469
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 3: And I enjoyed conversations with PB. I would have even

470
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 3: when I was a player. I remember having conversations were

471
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 3: walking off the field, walking toward the locker room up

472
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,439
Speaker 3: at Wilmington after a practice before going up to the

473
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 3: dining hall, and he would he would tell stories about

474
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 3: the old days up in Cleveland, Cleveland Brown, stories that

475
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 3: fascinated me. Man I was like wired. I was enthralled

476
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,919
Speaker 3: with what he was talking about, because those guys are

477
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 3: my heroes, you know, looking back and watching tape and

478
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 3: trying to understand what it was like for them, what

479
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 3: they must have been going through back then. And and

480
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 3: he would talk about other things. He talked about counter

481
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 3: event things, uh. And he had an unbelieved perspective on

482
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 3: all of it, and he had a reasoned perspective on

483
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 3: all of it. I mean, he had thought through everything through.

484
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 3: And that's the thing that I think I remember most

485
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 3: about him is his raw intelligence, not only football IQ

486
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 3: but overall. IQ. Very very well read, extremely high vocabulary,

487
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 3: and a great delivery of his message. He was a

488
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 3: good pontificator, He was a good author. He got up

489
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,919
Speaker 3: there with a very good presence about himself and the

490
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 3: way he delivered his message was outstanding, and because of

491
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 3: that delivery, it made you remember his message that much

492
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:26,360
Speaker 3: more clearly.

493
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 1: In nineteen seventy five, your second season, the team went

494
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 1: eleven and three, which is still the best winning percentage

495
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 1: in team history. He lost a three point playoff game

496
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: to Oakland, and then shortly after the season, Paul Brown

497
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: announced his retirement at the age of sixty seven. If

498
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 1: he stuck around for a few more years, would history

499
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 1: have been vastly different.

500
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 3: I really do believe we would have won a Super Bowl.

501
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 3: I really do believe that we were that close, that

502
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 3: close with that football team. And man, when you look

503
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 3: at it, you look at that roster from top to bottom.

504
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 3: The roster that he put together was unbelievable, and it

505
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 3: was tougher to do back then. You didn't have unrestricted

506
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 3: free agency, and you know, I mean when you got

507
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 3: drafted by a team, you were basically with that team

508
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 3: unless you were traded or cut. So, you know, the

509
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 3: level of performance from every player in every position group

510
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 3: on that team in nineteen seventy five was really, really good.

511
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:33,959
Speaker 3: And I think even at the training camp as we

512
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 3: were getting ready for the season, we all knew as players,

513
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 3: you know, Bob Trumpy, Bob Johnson, guys that have been

514
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 3: around a while. You know, they would observe practices and

515
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 3: observe their teammates and they'd be like, believe me, from

516
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 3: what we've seen in the past, this team is legit.

517
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 3: This team could be really good. And they talk about it,

518
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 3: and they talk about it openly, and I'm a rookie

519
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 3: and just yeah, man, I'm with you, guys, Man, this

520
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 3: is great. This is the best best football team I've

521
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 3: ever been a part of. Man uh. And and all

522
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 3: everybody was was a very high level producer. And Paul

523
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 3: Brown put it all together, and I think I think

524
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 3: he really felt like that was his Super Bowl opportunity

525
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 3: right there with that football team, and when it didn't happen,

526
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 3: I don't think that. I think he made his decision before,

527
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 3: you know, the end of the season, that he was

528
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 3: going to retire, but I think he hoped that he

529
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 3: would retire winning a Super Bowl. And you know, in hindsight,

530
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 3: looking back on it, if we could change history, certainly

531
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 3: would like that to have been the case, because that

532
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 3: football team was made of the right stuff. That football

533
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 3: team could have done it just didn't, you know, as

534
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 3: you said, lost to the Raiders by by three points.

535
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 3: Didn't play our best game at the at the most

536
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 3: critical time. That's what you want to do, particularly when

537
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 3: you get in the playoffs, player best football at the

538
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 3: most opportune time. And when you don't, you know, you

539
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 3: always look back on it and and the what ifs

540
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 3: start to crawl into your head, crawl into your mind,

541
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 3: that's for sure. But there's there's no question that that

542
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 3: Paul Brown retired after putting together the best football team

543
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 3: he ever did in Cincinnati. I mean that football team

544
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 3: was really good. I mean it was it was outstanding

545
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 3: and all levels offensively, defensively, and special teams. And he

546
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 3: had great personnel in the player area. Coaches were phenomenal.

547
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 3: I mean that's another thing. A lot of coaches in

548
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 3: the National Football League, high level coaches wanted to be

549
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 3: associated and affiliated with Paul Brown. They wanted to be

550
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 3: part of what he was doing, so he would really

551
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 3: when Paul Brown reached out, you listened, man, You answered

552
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 3: the phone. You know, you listened to what he had

553
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 3: to say. And if you were actually recruited and solicited

554
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 3: by him, and that was an honor, man, and it's

555
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 3: like nobody turned them down. Nobody has. I don't think so, Paul,

556
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 3: I think I'll I think I'll stay where I am.

557
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 3: Everybody that he ever reached out to came and coached

558
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 3: with him, and we had some great ones, really did.

559
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 3: Bill Tiger Johnson was phenomenal. It's good line coaches I

560
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 3: ever been around. He ended up being our head coach

561
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 3: for a little bit. Mike McCormick was my next line

562
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 3: coach and he was great as well, great player for

563
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 3: Paul Brown with the Cleveland Browns, Hall of Fame player

564
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 3: for Paul Brown with the Cleveland Browns. So I mean,

565
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 3: these are the kind of people that he brought to

566
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 3: the fold, you know, as as assistant coaches, and you know,

567
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 3: they wanted to work their way up to be coordinators

568
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 3: and maybe eventually head coaches, and a lot of them did.

569
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 3: A lot of his coaches ended up working their way

570
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 3: up to be head coaches and be successful head coaches

571
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 3: in the National Football League, And that says a lot

572
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 3: about what Paul Brown was all about.

573
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 1: He hired Forrest greg in nineteen eighty Forrest famously ran

574
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: a tough ship. Was it a shock or did you

575
00:32:59,440 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: know it was come.

576
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 3: I think I think we knew, we felt like we

577
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 3: knew what was coming, but we really didn't. When it came, boy,

578
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 3: it came in full force. He was he was something else.

579
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 3: Force greg was just an unbelievable leader of men. Uh.

580
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 3: And there was there was no no bs to force Gregg.

581
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 3: He'd tell you like it is and tell you like

582
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 3: it was, and he didn't he didn't care if you

583
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 3: hurt your feelings and so doing, because you know, you

584
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 3: might not necessarily like what he had to say, but

585
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 3: he'd tell you anyway. Uh. And then he was But

586
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 3: he was very effusive in his praise when you did

587
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 3: a good job for him. He was extremely appreciative of that.

588
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 3: He knew the sacrifices of a player. A player had

589
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 3: to make. I mean he played for Vince Lombardi. Nobody

590
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 3: had to make more sacrifices as a player than players

591
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,479
Speaker 3: that played for Vince Lombardi. So I mean he was

592
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 3: He was born and raised as an NFL player into

593
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 3: that that that way, that method. Vince Lombardi had his

594
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 3: way of doing things, and it was always tough. He

595
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 3: was very tough minded. He was very tough the way

596
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 3: he handled and addressed his players. He was a very

597
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 3: disciplined father figure, a father figure of discipline to the

598
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:31,919
Speaker 3: highest order, and that's what Forest Gregg grew up under

599
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 3: as a player and flourished blossom became a perennial pro

600
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 3: bowler in the Hall of Fame. He and Anthony Windows.

601
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 3: I'll take those two as my offensive tackles and go

602
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,479
Speaker 3: play anybody. Those two are the best, in my mind

603
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 3: ever played the game. So you know, Forrest Gregg, he

604
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 3: knew what he wanted to do, he knew how he

605
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 3: was going to do it, he knew why he was

606
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,760
Speaker 3: going to do it because he learned all that from

607
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,800
Speaker 3: one of the greatest ever coached the game of football,

608
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 3: Vince Lombardi. And I know Vince Lombardi and Paul Brown

609
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 3: had a very good relationship and they respected each other

610
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 3: and respected what each other was about. So I know,

611
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 3: I know Paul Brown had a healthy, healthy dose of

612
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 3: respect for Forrest Gregg because of what he did to

613
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 3: make himself as great as players ever walked on a

614
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 3: football field, ever walked the face of the earth, and

615
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 3: then made himself into an incredible football coach as well.

616
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 3: Forrest was again an unbelievable leader of men he just

617
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 3: he could rally people and here's our goal. Here's how

618
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 3: we're going to get there. Here's some intermediate goals along

619
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 3: the way to let us know we're heading in the

620
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 3: right direction. If we achieved this one, you know, we're

621
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 3: climbing the ladder of success and we're hitting it one

622
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 3: rung at a time, and we're going to get there.

623
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 3: We're going to get there. We're going to get to

624
00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 3: the top. And Paul Brown had the same type of mentality.

625
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 3: The latter's success was a was a Paul brownism. That

626
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 3: forest you took and ran with and we almost got there.

627
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 3: We climbed a lot of rungs in that ladder in

628
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:16,919
Speaker 3: nineteen seventy five, eleven, and three, but did not win

629
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 3: the big one, and we felt like we we were

630
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 3: very disappointed because we felt like we could have. We

631
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 3: felt were good enough to.

632
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 1: You did get to the Super Bowl in nineteen eighty one.

633
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: You got there by beating the Chargers in the Freezer Bowl,

634
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 1: and you famously convinced your fellow offensive lineman to go

635
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,879
Speaker 1: sleeveless in that game despite the minus fifty nine win.

636
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: Chill all kitting aside. Do you believe that that gave

637
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: the Bengals a psychological advantage. When you guys walked out

638
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:45,720
Speaker 1: there in short sleeves.

639
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 3: I really do, I really think that they I know

640
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 3: they took notice. So when you get it, when you

641
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 3: get somebody, you know, a team to actually, you know,

642
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 3: look at that, you know, these what the heck are

643
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 3: these guys thinking? Are they crazy? I mean, it's this

644
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 3: is this isn't just cold. This is a cruel and

645
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:12,439
Speaker 3: unusual punishment cold. And it was I mean it was ridiculous.

646
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 3: And the Saturday before the Ohio River froze that Saturday

647
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 3: all the way across people were walking across the Hio River.

648
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 3: It's like, what this is? This is historic, this will

649
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 3: never happen again.

650
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 4: Uh.

651
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 3: And it was cold. It was like, you know, single

652
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 3: digits low low, single digits raw temperature, and then the

653
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 3: wind chill added in that. You know, the the adjusted

654
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 3: temperature was minus minus degrees that day. That was tough

655
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 3: to practice in. But I'm like, I'm gonna go out

656
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 3: there and practice in very little attire. You know, I'm

657
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 3: gonna wear shorts, t shirt and try to get try

658
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 3: to get adapt and get used to used to that

659
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 3: kind of weather condition. And I thought you know, I thought, Yeah,

660
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 3: I'm from I'm from the East. I'm from New England.

661
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 3: I mean, god, I've velved the cold, but the Syracuse, man,

662
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 3: it gets cold up there, dude, not like this. This

663
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 3: was This was more than cold. I don't know what

664
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 3: the heck it would be called, but yeah, it was.

665
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 3: It was. It was dangerous, honestly. I mean they're they're

666
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 3: actually uh, you know, putting out statements and uh television radio.

667
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 3: We're talking about you know, if you don't have to

668
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 3: be outside, don't go outside. If you go outside, make

669
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 3: sure you layer up, make sure you wear all kinds

670
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 3: of because this is this is a type of condition,

671
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 3: uh temperature wise, that that is life threatening, you know.

672
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 3: And so we go out there in short with no

673
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 3: sleeves uh to play the game, and the Chargers looked

674
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 3: at us like what the hell. And then of course

675
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 3: the officials, uh, they came into the locker room before

676
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 3: the game and said, you know, anybody that wants to

677
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 3: put vastly in or whatever on your face, exposed skin

678
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 3: in your ears, that's that's fine, no problem. I'm like, well, hey,

679
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 3: you know, expose skin. We got exposed skin, sleeves, no sleeves,

680
00:38:57,920 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 3: our arms are exposed. I'm gona, I'm gonna layer up.

681
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 3: So put that vacoline on and uh it did help

682
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 3: against the window, I mean the wind and the cold

683
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 3: a little bit. It did. It made it less penetrating,

684
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 3: I guess. And then of course the other the big

685
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 3: benefit was when guys would grab it and you know,

686
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 3: you slide off, slip off. Well that only lasted for

687
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 3: a while because it was so cold that the vasoline coagulated,

688
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 3: you know, I mean you couldn't manipulate it. It was like, man,

689
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 3: it was like trying to move like a I don't know,

690
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 3: a heavy greasy substance, you know, instead of vacline. It

691
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 3: was crazy. So you know, I guess there was enough

692
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:45,280
Speaker 3: liquid in that vacline to to change a change structure,

693
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:49,359
Speaker 3: you know, and not be appliable more liquid form. It was.

694
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 3: It was nasty stuff, but it worked, you know, I

695
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 3: mean I think I think it. Uh not only worked

696
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 3: in terms of feeling like we were going to have

697
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 3: a little bit of an edge, uh that would bother

698
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 3: the San Diego Chargers from a physical standpoint, but the

699
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 3: mindset that you talk about, Dan, that when when we

700
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 3: came out on the football field, they looked at us like,

701
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 3: these guys are in lell What the hell is wrong

702
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 3: with these guys? What are these stupid offensive linemen doing?

703
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 3: Did they forget they're finished getting dressed? I mean, what

704
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 3: are they doing? Uh? And it was we had had

705
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 3: a buddy, Donny Mask, was the center for the Chargers

706
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 3: and went to Boston College and we talked many times

707
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 3: about it, and soon after the season was over, I

708
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 3: caught up with Donny Mask and he's like, yeah, we thought,

709
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,399
Speaker 3: what are you guys crazy? I mean, we're thinking as

710
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 3: an offensive line ourselves, like, you know, you don't what

711
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 3: I mean. I admire what they're doing. It makes a

712
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 3: lot of sense, but are they crazy? What the hell

713
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 3: are they thinking? And he said that that became the

714
00:40:56,080 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 3: chatter amongst the offensive lineman, amongst the defensive lineman, even

715
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 3: between offense and defensive line. So you know, another another

716
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 3: I guess issue or scenario is it kind of took

717
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 3: their mind off the game a little bit, you know,

718
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:13,919
Speaker 3: I mean the actual assignments. You're pre game, you're going

719
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 3: through things and make sure you get everything down in

720
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 3: terms of what you're gonna do, how you're gonna do it,

721
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:22,320
Speaker 3: and all that, and instead of maybe going through that process,

722
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 3: they're like, look at these crazy fools. Check this out.

723
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 3: You know. The topic of conversation wasn't necessarily what we're

724
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 3: going to do in the game from an assignment standpoint,

725
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 3: and how we're going to attack and this and that.

726
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 3: It became look at these idiots over here coming out

727
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 3: with nothing on their arms. These guys are fools. So yeah,

728
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 3: I do think that that going sleeveless had an impact

729
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:56,320
Speaker 3: physically and most importantly psychologically. Football psychology had a big impact.

730
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 3: I think in the football psychology of that game, is.

731
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: There a buyers bond among everybody that played in that

732
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 1: game on both sides?

733
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:09,919
Speaker 3: I think that's a that's a great way to put it,

734
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 3: a survivor's bond mentality. Yeah, I think so. I mean, obviously,

735
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 3: I know I've done it. I've talked to you know,

736
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:22,439
Speaker 3: my family and friends and generations of it as telling them, oh, yeah,

737
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 3: the freezable because then people ask you obviously, it's like

738
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 3: once they find out you played in the freezer ball,

739
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 3: it's like there's a million questions what was it? Like,

740
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:33,879
Speaker 3: what was this? What was that? And most of it

741
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:37,800
Speaker 3: is about handling that weather, you know, rather than the game,

742
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 3: and that's kind of that's kind of interesting because the

743
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 3: game was spectacular. It was a great game. I mean

744
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 3: it was probably I think I think everybody took pride

745
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 3: in the fact that I talked about this with Donnie

746
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 3: mask as well. Everybody takes pride in the fact that

747
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:57,240
Speaker 3: as tough as those conditions were, the game was played

748
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 3: at a pretty efficient level. You know, there was there

749
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,320
Speaker 3: was pretty good execution and in a lot of areas,

750
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 3: a lot of ways. And that that that ball was

751
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 3: it was a grease pig ban. That thing was slick,

752
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 3: I mean it, and that in that cold, when it's

753
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,760
Speaker 3: that kind of cold, everything becomes slick. You know, everything's

754
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 3: hard to grab and and no exception of that football man,

755
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 3: that that pig skin man, it uh, it was like

756
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 3: there was an oil poured all over it was. That's

757
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 3: that's slippery. And I think the leather maybe had a

758
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 3: little something that would I don't even know how that

759
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,800
Speaker 3: would happen in that freezing temperature, but the leather would

760
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 3: you know, have have a little little something on it

761
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 3: to keep it pliable and you know, be able to

762
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 3: be used in all kinds of weather conditions. And I

763
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:52,919
Speaker 3: mean that that thing. The biggest thing although, because I'm

764
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:56,280
Speaker 3: not sure that in those temperatures that that little coating

765
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 3: on the on the leather of football is as big

766
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 3: a deal as it was just as a rock. I mean,

767
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 3: everything was like it was fifty nine below. It's it's

768
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 3: not just it's not just yeah, it's a little icy, No,

769
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:13,839
Speaker 3: I mean it's like Antarctica. It's like frozen. You are

770
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 3: on an iceberg. Everything around you, everything you touch, everything

771
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:22,839
Speaker 3: you feel, is freezing cold. It was, it was, there

772
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 3: was no relief. We'd go to the sideline and put

773
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 3: these parkers on. You know, for whatever reason, these things

774
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 3: did never need lining or anything. It's just plastic throwing

775
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 3: a plastic parker, and it's like, what's that for. It

776
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 3: was just almost like habit, you know, mentally you go

777
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 3: to the sideline and when the weather was the weather

778
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 3: conditions were different, you'd throw that thing on. I did

779
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 3: that after one series and didn't do it again because

780
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:50,319
Speaker 3: it made no impact whatsoever. So it was a it

781
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 3: was a day, a day to remember. I've never been

782
00:44:55,480 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 3: as cold as that in my life. Uh, And I've

783
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 3: never been colder than that in my life. Well, that

784
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 3: that day was unique in uh, in just about every

785
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:11,800
Speaker 3: player's life, you know, everybody that participated in that game,

786
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 3: whether it was a player, coach, organizational number, and fans.

787
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 3: Dan the way the fans braved that cold and showed up,

788
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 3: and some of them weren't weren't dressed quite well enough

789
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 3: for those weather conditions, and actually lost a couple of

790
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 3: them during the course of that football game. So the

791
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 3: fans I think were a big part of that history

792
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:38,959
Speaker 3: of the freeze ball as well, for them to show

793
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 3: up loud and proud and uh and adapt as best

794
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 3: they could to what was going on, because that was

795
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 3: miserable at least as players. When you went out in

796
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 3: the field and started to run around a little bit,

797
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 3: you know, you not not not warm up, but you

798
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:58,720
Speaker 3: actually feel better. You know, you weren't quite as as

799
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 3: locked up brutally called. The fans stat there on concrete

800
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 3: and sat you know, in the stands, and they put

801
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 3: paper bags or whatever at their feet to try to,

802
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 3: you know, give themselves a little insulation. But I mean

803
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:17,319
Speaker 3: a ton of fans brave that weather man. And as

804
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:21,319
Speaker 3: the game wore on and uh, it started to look

805
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 3: like you might end up winning the football and more

806
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 3: and more fans came more and more fans. More fans

807
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:30,439
Speaker 3: came to that stadium after halftime than I can remember ever.

808
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 3: So hats off to all those loyal fans that that

809
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 3: brave that weather, because man, you guys were brave. We

810
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 3: had we had, you know, at least we were out

811
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:45,800
Speaker 3: there running around trying to increase our body temperatures a

812
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 3: little bit. These fans just to sit there for that

813
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 3: period of time and and uh deal with that windshield.

814
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,799
Speaker 3: They were feeling every degree of that windshield because they

815
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 3: couldn't move around and get warm.

816
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 1: That wind got you to Super Bowl sixteen. You have

817
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 1: described it as the best and worst day of your

818
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 1: professional life. Do you still feel that way?

819
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 3: Absolutely? Yeah, it will always be the best day of

820
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 3: my life because reached the pinnacle of the profession that

821
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,879
Speaker 3: you're in, you know, and you always want to try

822
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 3: to be able to say, yeah that this particular year

823
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 3: we achieved to the highest level. And I think the

824
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 3: Super Bowl sixteen team feels that way, you know, other

825
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 3: than obviously did not win the Big One and that

826
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 3: will always haunt us forever. But to have the regular season,

827
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 3: we had to win playoff games to win the AFC

828
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:47,439
Speaker 3: Championship of course the Freezer boll and we just were

829
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 3: talking about and to get to that game. It was

830
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:55,839
Speaker 3: a remarkable run and best team I ever played on

831
00:47:56,920 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 3: because it not only a great personnel, incredible coaching, organizationally

832
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 3: supportive of everything. Everybody believed in each other, believed in

833
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 3: what the coaches were talking about, believed in the game

834
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 3: plans that they put together, and then because that belief

835
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:17,359
Speaker 3: went out and executed at a very high level and

836
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 3: won a lot of football games. I do think that

837
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 3: that that that football team made the fewest mistakes of

838
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:28,399
Speaker 3: any team I've ever been on, not just turnovers, but

839
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 3: mental errors. I mean, there were guys were grading extremely high.

840
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:35,439
Speaker 3: You get two grades. You get a grade for your

841
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 3: overall performance and then in the left hand coin and

842
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 3: then up a right hand it's like, how'd you do mentally?

843
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 3: How many mistakes did you make? And man, guys were

844
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:48,799
Speaker 3: grading very very high, a lot of times under in

845
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 3: terms of you know, assignment lack of assignment era and

846
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 3: that'll that will help you win football games if you

847
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 3: a lot of times the team that makes the fewest

848
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 3: mistakes wins the game. And a lot of times that's

849
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,280
Speaker 3: we're talking about turnovers and that's the big mistake. Obviously,

850
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 3: you don't want to give extra possessions away. But you

851
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 3: don't want to be the team that's making mistakes at

852
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage as well. You don't. You don't

853
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 3: want that. You don't want to. You know, your quarterback coming.

854
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:18,919
Speaker 3: Come on, guys, come on, man, you can't. We can't

855
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:20,919
Speaker 3: have that. You're gonna do this, You're gonna you're gonna

856
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 3: get this right. You know, do what you're supposed to do.

857
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 3: If everybody does what they're supposed to do, we're gonna

858
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 3: be fine. But shoot, you know, we're helping them. You know,

859
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,439
Speaker 3: it's like to to to try to beat a good

860
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:37,240
Speaker 3: defensive football team. To beat eleven players is tough enough.

861
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 3: You don't want to throw yourself into the equation and

862
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 3: be the twelfth player that's a given, given the quarterback

863
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:46,959
Speaker 3: and everybody else all kinds of hell because you're making

864
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 3: too many mistakes. I mean, you do, you don't. You

865
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 3: don't want to beat yourself. That's the one thing you

866
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 3: never want to be part of. You never want to

867
00:49:56,480 --> 00:50:00,720
Speaker 3: beat yourself. And unfortunately, in Super Bowl sixteen, we felt

868
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 3: like we beat ourselves as great as the forty nine

869
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 3: Ers were and they were great. They're a great team,

870
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 3: but we did not play our best game. We feel

871
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 3: like we helped them, We helped them win Super Bowl sixteen.

872
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 3: We beat ourselves and shame on us for doing it,

873
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 3: because you know, we obviously knew better that the credit

874
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:21,880
Speaker 3: the forty nine ers. They went out and they played

875
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:26,479
Speaker 3: mistake free football, turnovers and menial mistakes and they didn't

876
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 3: have any of it. We did, and as a result,

877
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:32,399
Speaker 3: we self destructed and lost the game. That it's once

878
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 3: in a lifetime opportunity. I mean, you don't really get

879
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 3: a chance very often to be a Super Bowl champion,

880
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 3: be the best in the National Football League, better than

881
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:43,399
Speaker 3: anybody in the NFL. That doesn't happen very often, and

882
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:44,319
Speaker 3: we blew it.

883
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 1: You finished playing for the Bengals in nineteen eighty three

884
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:51,959
Speaker 1: and immediately joined the New Jersey Generals of the USFL.

885
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 1: Current players don't want to play an eighteen game schedule.

886
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 1: You played more than thirty professional football games less than

887
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 1: a calendar year. How did you survive?

888
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was that was a tough one, Dan, That

889
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 3: was a that was a physical grind because you know,

890
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 3: played that the Bengals the full season NFL season, every

891
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 3: snap of it. And you know, I beating up. It's

892
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 3: an NFL season. You'd like to have an entire offseason

893
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 3: to rebound and recovering. And I was over thirty years old. Uh,

894
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 3: so you know that that's a factor as well.

895
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:28,359
Speaker 4: Uh.

896
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 3: And then two weeks off, go to training camp for

897
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 3: the New Jersey Generals and Walt Michaels was our head coach.

898
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:36,800
Speaker 3: And he played for Paul Brown with the Cleveland Browns.

899
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 3: So Walt Michaels was a you know, a grizzwold veteran linebacker,

900
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 3: tough dude, and he he believed in the physicality of football.

901
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 3: And it was a sport, tough sport played by tougher men.

902
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 3: And I mean you you didn't miss practices, you you

903
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:54,919
Speaker 3: didn't miss anything a training camp and we had two

904
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 3: practices a day in training camp with full pads. It

905
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:01,959
Speaker 3: was a grind. Training camp was a brutal grind. Yeah,

906
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:09,360
Speaker 3: I honestly, I do remember how poorly I felt, you know,

907
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 3: as the season got about to midpoint of the season,

908
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 3: how poorly I felt physically. You know, I drive home,

909
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:19,319
Speaker 3: get out of the cars like an erector set, getting

910
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:21,879
Speaker 3: out in sections and going into the house, laying down

911
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 3: on the couch before dinner, and to get up to

912
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:27,319
Speaker 3: eat dinners like oh boy, and then go to bed

913
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 3: and wake up the next morning. It's like, man, I am,

914
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 3: I am locked up, And take me a while to

915
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 3: stretch and get loose just to even get in the

916
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 3: car and go do it again. So I know, I know,

917
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 3: I beat myself up big time physically that season. And

918
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 3: you know, I just wonder as I as I hit,

919
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 3: like you know, now I'm seventy three, as I approached

920
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 3: mid seventies, I wonder, I wonder how badly I'm going

921
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 3: to pay. I wonder how bad my body is going

922
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 3: to feel. Because I do know that that first season,

923
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:00,840
Speaker 3: in the two seasons I played there, that back to

924
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:05,360
Speaker 3: back season of a grueling NFL schedule two weeks off

925
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 3: get right into the grind of the USFL season, that

926
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 3: that that back to back UH season was was definitely torturous.

927
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 3: I mean it was. It was as tough a physical

928
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 3: thing as I've ever thought about trying to undertake and

929
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 3: then not under normally undertook it, but had to do

930
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 3: it and finish it and survive it. So and it literally,

931
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 3: Dan it was survival I mean it's in some cases

932
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 3: it was. It was definitely survival because there's good players, man,

933
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 3: good players in the USFL, and a lot of them

934
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 3: played in the NFL. A lot of guys. When the

935
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 3: USFL folded, a lot of players from the USFL went

936
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:48,239
Speaker 3: to the NFL. And uh, you know that that that

937
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 3: doesn't that doesn't happen unless you're a high caliber player

938
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 3: and and uh, honestly, the NFL if you if you weren't,

939
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 3: you had to you had to be cut above maybe

940
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:03,720
Speaker 3: in a little bit more to beat out an NFL

941
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 3: player because the NFL USFL it was. It was a

942
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:13,360
Speaker 3: very confrontational thing. And I know, I know USFL players

943
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:16,400
Speaker 3: that went to NFL camps after the USFL folds, and

944
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:18,880
Speaker 3: I know I heard stories about what they went through,

945
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 3: you know, being accepted and everything by NFL players and teammates.

946
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:27,240
Speaker 3: So you had to be a damn good player, uh

947
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 3: to break that, you know, break that barrier and be

948
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:35,879
Speaker 3: able to you know, not only play with that football team,

949
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:39,799
Speaker 3: but make contributions, be a significant player, don't hurt the

950
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 3: football team, and then be accepted by the other NFL players.

951
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 3: That was a big deal to a lot of the

952
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 3: USFL guys getting accepted by the NFL players after the

953
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 3: USFL folded. So it was interesting. You know, Donald Trump, obviously,

954
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:56,880
Speaker 3: it was an interesting character, interesting figure. He owned in

955
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,319
Speaker 3: New Jersey Generals at that point in time, and I

956
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:02,440
Speaker 3: ended up negotiating a contract with him at the top

957
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 3: floor of the Trump Tower. It had just been completed,

958
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 3: brand new, brand spanking new. It was. It was a

959
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:14,880
Speaker 3: marvelous edifice, no doubt about that. And right up to

960
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:16,840
Speaker 3: the top floor of the Trump Tower and the elevators

961
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 3: and get out and a panoramic view of Manhattan in

962
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 3: the harbor and the water, and it's just sitting there

963
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 3: negotiating a contract with him was kind of surreal. And

964
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:32,879
Speaker 3: his desk was elevated, and the desk of the chair

965
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:35,239
Speaker 3: I was sitting in was you were down two or

966
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:38,280
Speaker 3: three steps, and behind him was a full portrait of himself,

967
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:41,840
Speaker 3: of Donald Trump, And so I'm kind of looking up

968
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:45,959
Speaker 3: from a hole Donald and there's Donald, and then there's

969
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:48,319
Speaker 3: Donald behind Donald, you know, a picture of Donald. So

970
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 3: it was very interesting. But we ended up getting a

971
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 3: contract done and he guaranteed bonus money obviously, but he

972
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 3: guaranteed the first two years of the contract so I

973
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:05,279
Speaker 3: got bonus money and then two seasons of salary fully

974
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 3: guaranteed whether I was hurt, a lack of performance, whatever

975
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 3: the case may be. And that was an interesting, interesting negotiation.

976
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 3: And when he find when he decided the final the

977
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 3: the point that he decided to say, I'll guarantee those

978
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 3: final two years of year contract and like, you're going

979
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:30,839
Speaker 3: to guarantee the salary against you if I get hurt

980
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 3: or whatever. Yep, when he did that, it was like

981
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 3: I'm in. He goes done, So next thing I know,

982
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:39,240
Speaker 3: it's not out of a contract. New Jersey General.

983
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 1: One of your most unique accomplishments was playing all five

984
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:48,839
Speaker 1: offensive line positions in the same game, which you did twice.

985
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:51,360
Speaker 1: Your idea or a coach's idea.

986
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 3: It was coach's idea. But I had to I had

987
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 3: to show them that I was capable of doing it.

988
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 3: So I guess, I guess it was my desire to

989
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:06,720
Speaker 3: show them that I could. So obviously I had an

990
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:09,880
Speaker 3: intent of, you know, I want to prove to you

991
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 3: that I could play anywhere. And you know, once once

992
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 3: that happened, once I showed that I could hang in

993
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 3: there at any one of the positions, and you know,

994
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:24,800
Speaker 3: keep my head above water and at least be you know,

995
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 3: not get taken advantage of, and then in some cases

996
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 3: maybe even get an edge. And the more I did at,

997
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:33,200
Speaker 3: the more edge I was able to generate you know,

998
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 3: a longer period of time. Repetition breeds comfort level and

999
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 3: all that, and so yeah, Jim was like, you know, hey,

1000
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 3: let's see you can do this. We see you can

1001
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 3: do that. Jim McNally was was a proponent of it,

1002
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 3: and then it got to the point where he's like,

1003
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 3: you know what, why don't we just roll you up

1004
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 3: and down the line of scrimmage, play all five spots

1005
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 3: started at tackle, right tackle, and go up and down

1006
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage. I'm like, you want me to

1007
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 3: even go play where number seventy eighths played left tackle? Yeah,

1008
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 3: you know, be a rotation. Everybody's out for a series,

1009
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 3: and back we come and say once you right the left.

1010
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 3: You know that if you go all the way back,

1011
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 3: that's ten series. Very rarely. If we have a ten series,

1012
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 3: you know, game, that'd be that'd be interesting. So you know,

1013
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 3: you'll probably go up and back. You'll at least go

1014
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 3: up once. You'll play every every position for probably a series.

1015
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 3: There's no way we're going to have less than five

1016
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 3: series in a football game. So you know, get ready,

1017
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:28,560
Speaker 3: you're going to be up and down the line of

1018
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 3: scrimmage doing it all. And I was always a student

1019
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 3: of the game in terms of wanting to know exactly

1020
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 3: what everybody was doing. You know, when I was playing

1021
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:41,400
Speaker 3: the guard position, if I pulled, I wanted to know

1022
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:44,280
Speaker 3: it's the center reaching, there's a guard block and tackle

1023
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 3: blocking down is the full back filling you know, as

1024
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 3: I pull out to attack people on the perimeter, and

1025
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 3: you know what kind of adjustments are made if they

1026
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 3: adjust their defense. You know who does what. So I

1027
00:58:56,000 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 3: was always a I was always highly interested in the

1028
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:04,480
Speaker 3: x's and o's of the game of football and understanding

1029
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:12,000
Speaker 3: them and understanding schemes, understanding understanding why you implement those schemes,

1030
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 3: understanding why you change those schemes if need be, and

1031
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:19,160
Speaker 3: what you might change them to, and why you're changing

1032
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 3: to what you're changing them to. You know, all those

1033
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 3: kind of things were things that always interested me. You know,

1034
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 3: even when I was a high school player, I was

1035
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 3: interested in that kind of thing, and the coaches would

1036
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 3: be like, okay, well yeah, well we'll talk to you

1037
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:37,480
Speaker 3: about that. We never really had anybody ask us those

1038
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:40,680
Speaker 3: kind of things about all the positions and on the

1039
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 3: football field, so it always was like part of my preparation.

1040
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 3: I guess for the season, and on a week to

1041
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:53,520
Speaker 3: week basis for games, let's know exactly what was going on,

1042
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:57,560
Speaker 3: what I was doing, why I was doing it, how

1043
00:59:57,600 --> 00:59:59,440
Speaker 3: I was supposed to do it, and what I was

1044
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:01,440
Speaker 3: supposed to do if things changed in front of me.

1045
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 3: And I wanted to make damn sure that I knew

1046
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 3: everything and and if I if I screwed up, I

1047
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:11,479
Speaker 3: was so pissed at myself if it happened, I would

1048
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 3: be I would never forgive myself because you know, I

1049
01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:16,439
Speaker 3: let the team down. So I wanted to make sure

1050
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:19,440
Speaker 3: that that didn't occur. And I was very fortunate and

1051
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 3: you know, preventing that from happening, because I would not

1052
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 3: have wanted to be part of the reason that we

1053
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 3: lost the football game because I did the wrong thing

1054
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 3: and my unblocked guy sacked the quarterback, caused the fulm

1055
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 3: when they recovered and they score a touchdown late to

1056
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:36,280
Speaker 3: beat us, or whatever the case may be. Didn't want

1057
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 3: to ever be part of that Unfortunately I wasn't. I

1058
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:40,600
Speaker 3: was never part of that kind of a situation. So

1059
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 3: you know, I feel like I feel like I was Physically,

1060
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 3: I could I could hang, I could play, you know,

1061
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:51,440
Speaker 3: I was. God blessed me with a big, strong body

1062
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:54,080
Speaker 3: and you know, athletic enough to play and all that.

1063
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:56,960
Speaker 3: But my what I what I wanted to be the

1064
01:00:57,000 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 3: differentiator was he he he's in play. There are a

1065
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:05,120
Speaker 3: lot of guys like him physically that can play. Okay,

1066
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 3: now what about the mind? Is he going to make mistakes? No, Hey,

1067
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:13,200
Speaker 3: this guy, this guy never makes a mistake. He's never

1068
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:16,200
Speaker 3: going to hurt us that way. I'll play him that

1069
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:18,720
Speaker 3: That can be a tiebreaker when you're trying to beat

1070
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:21,680
Speaker 3: the guy out in a position. You know, it's like, yeah,

1071
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 3: they're both fairly equal in terms of what they can

1072
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:28,160
Speaker 3: give us on the football field physically, skill sets similar

1073
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:31,480
Speaker 3: and all that. But man, this dude never makes a mistake.

1074
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 3: This guy a little dicey. Man, you know, you're rolling

1075
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 3: the dice a little bit. You're you're you know, you know,

1076
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 3: you hope it doesn't happen at a critical time in

1077
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:43,160
Speaker 3: the football game where the guy screws up and you

1078
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:45,120
Speaker 3: don't want to coaches don't want to be out there.

1079
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 3: Oh man, I just hope and pray that this snap's huge.

1080
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:50,919
Speaker 3: I hope he doesn't screw up. I hope this guy

1081
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:53,520
Speaker 3: does not screw this up for us. You can't. They

1082
01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:56,120
Speaker 3: won't play it in those situations. They're going to play

1083
01:01:56,160 --> 01:01:58,680
Speaker 3: guys that know what they're doing, know how to do it,

1084
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:01,720
Speaker 3: know why they're doing it, and uh and and can

1085
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:03,280
Speaker 3: make adjustments if necessary.

1086
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:07,640
Speaker 1: When you walk into the locker room now in your seventies,

1087
01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:11,160
Speaker 1: do you feel an immediate bond with the offensive lineman?

1088
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:16,240
Speaker 3: I do, Dan definitely, Yeah. I mean because I mean

1089
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:20,920
Speaker 3: I know exactly what they're going through. I know what

1090
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:24,680
Speaker 3: they're thinking. I know I know their mindset, I know

1091
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:28,760
Speaker 3: their mentality. Uh and you know, it's a It's a

1092
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:33,800
Speaker 3: very interesting position to play because you you are so

1093
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:37,040
Speaker 3: co dependent on the guy next to him. I mean

1094
01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:39,480
Speaker 3: you are in football in general, I mean the quarterback,

1095
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:42,320
Speaker 3: if his offensive line is poors and having a bad day,

1096
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:45,760
Speaker 3: he's going to suffer. If his offensive line is playing well,

1097
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:47,440
Speaker 3: he's gonna have a chance to have a hell of

1098
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:49,840
Speaker 3: a game. And the guy they got at the quarterback

1099
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:52,440
Speaker 3: is there, Joe Burrow, you got a hell of a

1100
01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:54,960
Speaker 3: chance every game to have a hell of a game.

1101
01:02:55,560 --> 01:03:00,680
Speaker 3: So the offensive line is it's a The bonds that

1102
01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:04,919
Speaker 3: are formed by offensive linemen are unbreakable. I mean, they're

1103
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:10,800
Speaker 3: they're they are so damn strong, and you're playing, you're

1104
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 3: playing right next to each other, you're communicating verbally, making

1105
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:18,720
Speaker 3: calls so that you are on the same page, and

1106
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:20,680
Speaker 3: you have to go out and execute the techniques and

1107
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:25,080
Speaker 3: fundamentals in the same fashion, uh that everybody's coached to

1108
01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:31,040
Speaker 3: do it. So there's there's definitely, you know, a bond

1109
01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:33,560
Speaker 3: that's unique in sports. I think I think it's unique

1110
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:36,480
Speaker 3: in all sports because now you get you get a

1111
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:40,840
Speaker 3: situation where you're never going to touch the football. You

1112
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:45,320
Speaker 3: know you have to you know, basically be totally aware

1113
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:47,440
Speaker 3: of the fact that if you if you're looking to

1114
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:51,000
Speaker 3: build to UH, if you're playing the game for individual stats,

1115
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:54,320
Speaker 3: offensive lines are the wrong position. You shouldn't be playing

1116
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:58,400
Speaker 3: that spot because you're all you're doing is offensive linemen.

1117
01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:02,640
Speaker 3: In my opinion, definition of an offensive lineman is put

1118
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:05,440
Speaker 3: forth the best effort you possibly can for the betterment

1119
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:08,400
Speaker 3: of your team and teammates. If you play to your

1120
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:12,640
Speaker 3: highest level, you're not going to have stats of people

1121
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:14,280
Speaker 3: to look at and say, oh my gosh, you know

1122
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:17,280
Speaker 3: other than your blocking grade, which is key. I mean

1123
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:22,440
Speaker 3: that's what you're basically evaluated on, what your blocking percentages

1124
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:26,200
Speaker 3: are and how well you effectively neutralize the opponent. But

1125
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:30,040
Speaker 3: you're not going to have catches, rushing, yards, yards, receiving,

1126
01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:33,040
Speaker 3: all that sort of thing. So you're playing the game

1127
01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:36,720
Speaker 3: to do as a good job as you can to

1128
01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:42,440
Speaker 3: allow those skill players to excel. I mean, you come

1129
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:46,240
Speaker 3: out of a football game if you rush for two

1130
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:48,520
Speaker 3: hundred yards as a team and you arete hundred yard

1131
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:51,320
Speaker 3: rusher and you threw the ball for thre hundred yards

1132
01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:54,120
Speaker 3: or one hundred yard receiver as an offensive line, say,

1133
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:57,000
Speaker 3: I feel good about that game. Hell of a game

1134
01:04:57,360 --> 01:05:00,200
Speaker 3: because look at what the guys did. You know, our

1135
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:04,080
Speaker 3: job is to make those guys look good. Let those

1136
01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:07,840
Speaker 3: guys show their skills, show their talents, show their abilities,

1137
01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:11,520
Speaker 3: take advantage of the opponent. You know, we know we've

1138
01:05:11,560 --> 01:05:13,760
Speaker 3: got good players. We know that our guy can beat

1139
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:16,800
Speaker 3: their guy if we give them the opportunity to do so.

1140
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:20,000
Speaker 3: And when you come out of a game with those

1141
01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:22,440
Speaker 3: kind of numbers, you know you did your job. You know,

1142
01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:25,240
Speaker 3: you gave your skilled people the opportunity to go out

1143
01:05:25,240 --> 01:05:29,120
Speaker 3: and perform at the highest level they possibly could, and

1144
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:32,000
Speaker 3: you know that's not an easy thing in the NFL.

1145
01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:36,760
Speaker 3: And then lineman, you know, you work together. It's like

1146
01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:41,240
Speaker 3: the tandem, the bonds that are formed with the I mean,

1147
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:45,560
Speaker 3: I'm still very close to tackles I played next to

1148
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:48,360
Speaker 3: in center that I played next to. And it's almost

1149
01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:51,360
Speaker 3: impossible because you go through so much. You go through

1150
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:54,920
Speaker 3: so much man, so many challenges, so much going on,

1151
01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:57,680
Speaker 3: and you find out about guys, You find out what

1152
01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:01,080
Speaker 3: make guys tick, You find out what a competitor the

1153
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:04,480
Speaker 3: guy is, and you know you have you have a

1154
01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:06,880
Speaker 3: tremendous amount of respect that you'll have your whole life

1155
01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:08,440
Speaker 3: for a guy that's going to go out and lay

1156
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:10,640
Speaker 3: it on the line for his teammates no matter what.

1157
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:12,600
Speaker 3: A guy that might be nicked up a little bit

1158
01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:16,600
Speaker 3: but still plays, you know, plays through injury. And there's

1159
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:21,080
Speaker 3: so many things to go into, you know, an offensive

1160
01:06:21,120 --> 01:06:25,160
Speaker 3: line and good offensive line play, and I just I

1161
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:27,280
Speaker 3: feel like this group, Dian, like you said, you walk

1162
01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:30,320
Speaker 3: into this locker room, I feel that that this group

1163
01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:33,160
Speaker 3: is the epitome a great example of what a true

1164
01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:35,680
Speaker 3: offensive line is all about. You know, I think I

1165
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:39,439
Speaker 3: think these guys feel the way we're talking about offensive lineman.

1166
01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:42,160
Speaker 3: I think they feel that way about each other. And

1167
01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:45,720
Speaker 3: I think that's only going to continue to grow. And

1168
01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:49,960
Speaker 3: I know Joe Burrow takes the world of his offensive

1169
01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:52,400
Speaker 3: line and does everything possible to take care of his

1170
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:57,480
Speaker 3: offensive lineman. He'll get them pretty nice, pretty nice gifts man,

1171
01:06:58,240 --> 01:07:00,840
Speaker 3: as you know, as a thank you for a job

1172
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:03,520
Speaker 3: well done and keeping him upright and allowing him to

1173
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:06,040
Speaker 3: perform with the level he performs at. But I do

1174
01:07:06,080 --> 01:07:10,520
Speaker 3: think that this offensive line is a very a very

1175
01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:16,520
Speaker 3: uniquely talented group, highly intelligent group from a football IQ standpoint,

1176
01:07:17,160 --> 01:07:20,600
Speaker 3: And uh, they and they all they just don't want

1177
01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:23,760
Speaker 3: to let each other down. That's the big thing. They

1178
01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:26,320
Speaker 3: never want to be the reason that, you know, the

1179
01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:30,640
Speaker 3: football team lost the football game or the offensive line

1180
01:07:30,720 --> 01:07:34,560
Speaker 3: did not play well as a unit. Five components of

1181
01:07:34,600 --> 01:07:37,760
Speaker 3: the offensive line, two guards to tackles in the center,

1182
01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:43,520
Speaker 3: all five playing at a high level, very strong, powerful fist.

1183
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:47,400
Speaker 3: If one or two aren't getting it done, no no

1184
01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:50,680
Speaker 3: strength to that fist. And that's that's what the offensive

1185
01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:54,720
Speaker 3: line is all about. The offensive lineman know that every

1186
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:58,560
Speaker 3: individual you do your job, then the then the the

1187
01:07:58,680 --> 01:08:02,760
Speaker 3: entire offensive line is going to thrive, and you don't

1188
01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:05,600
Speaker 3: want to be the reason that that entire offensive line

1189
01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:06,400
Speaker 3: is not thriving.

1190
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:10,760
Speaker 1: How did your broadcasting career begin and how does it

1191
01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:11,840
Speaker 1: compare to playing?

1192
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:18,120
Speaker 3: That's an excellent question, Dan, I mean it began, you know,

1193
01:08:18,360 --> 01:08:20,800
Speaker 3: when I was done playing. I knew I wanted to

1194
01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:25,120
Speaker 3: try to do something to stay with the game, and

1195
01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:27,360
Speaker 3: Paul Brown talked with Paul Brown about it, and he

1196
01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:32,120
Speaker 3: talked about coaching possibly and he threw some scenarios out there,

1197
01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:35,519
Speaker 3: and I just wasn't I just didn't think that I

1198
01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:38,040
Speaker 3: wanted to give the time up to do it right.

1199
01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:43,519
Speaker 3: I felt like the commitment was extraordinary, and young family,

1200
01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:46,599
Speaker 3: young wife, young kids, wanted to spend more time with them.

1201
01:08:47,240 --> 01:08:51,080
Speaker 3: Didn't want to, you know, try to try to do

1202
01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:54,880
Speaker 3: something half assed as such, particularly at the highest level

1203
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:57,000
Speaker 3: in the National Football League, You're not going to survive

1204
01:08:57,120 --> 01:09:02,639
Speaker 3: very long doing that. I have the utmost respect for coaches.

1205
01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:04,920
Speaker 3: The amount of time that they give to the game

1206
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:12,800
Speaker 3: is incredible. It's it's almost incomprehensible. And they're given so

1207
01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:15,120
Speaker 3: many hours to the game of football, and you know,

1208
01:09:15,160 --> 01:09:17,040
Speaker 3: there's only so many hours in the day. You can't

1209
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:19,479
Speaker 3: be two places at once, and so all those things

1210
01:09:19,479 --> 01:09:21,759
Speaker 3: were going through my mind with a young family, and

1211
01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:24,680
Speaker 3: then I thought maybe broadcasting would be a way I

1212
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:28,479
Speaker 3: could stay tied into the the game of football and

1213
01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:31,639
Speaker 3: tied into the team, and specifically with the Cincinnati Bengals,

1214
01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:35,320
Speaker 3: and Paul Brown was you know, thought, damn we could

1215
01:09:35,360 --> 01:09:37,920
Speaker 3: I think be able to work something out there, And

1216
01:09:37,960 --> 01:09:40,160
Speaker 3: next thing I know, I'm sitting down with Mike Brown

1217
01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:44,640
Speaker 3: and working working out a contract to do as an

1218
01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:47,680
Speaker 3: independent contractor, not a member of the organization, but as

1219
01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:51,920
Speaker 3: an independent contractor to do color on the Bengals radio network.

1220
01:09:53,240 --> 01:09:55,240
Speaker 3: And it was a clear channel at the time, seven

1221
01:09:55,320 --> 01:10:00,320
Speaker 3: hundred WLW. And so it's UH had an opportunit need

1222
01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:03,960
Speaker 3: to do do games with every play by play guy

1223
01:10:04,280 --> 01:10:06,760
Speaker 3: UH that the Bengals have had in their history and

1224
01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:09,519
Speaker 3: the radio network. And I can honestly say that the

1225
01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:11,160
Speaker 3: man that I'm looking at right now and doing the

1226
01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:14,320
Speaker 3: podcast with is the best he is, the man Dan

1227
01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:17,679
Speaker 3: Horde is as good as the game has to offer

1228
01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:22,400
Speaker 3: in terms of recognizing what's going on and saying it,

1229
01:10:22,760 --> 01:10:27,320
Speaker 3: describing it to a t I mean to perfection and

1230
01:10:27,400 --> 01:10:31,840
Speaker 3: never any hesitation. That's the thing, you know. Never It's

1231
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:35,400
Speaker 3: incredible to listen to listen to you do a do

1232
01:10:35,479 --> 01:10:38,960
Speaker 3: a game. It's inspiring actually and and really it's uh,

1233
01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:41,559
Speaker 3: you know your preparation, I know a second and none.

1234
01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:44,080
Speaker 3: You're gonna be ready for everything and anything that happens

1235
01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:45,920
Speaker 3: on a football field. Not so I'm going to make

1236
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:48,800
Speaker 3: sure that I'm in that arena as well. And that

1237
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:51,760
Speaker 3: that was something that that Paul Brown uh said to

1238
01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:54,120
Speaker 3: me when I've decided I was going to give it

1239
01:10:54,120 --> 01:10:57,880
Speaker 3: a go, he said, look, uh, you were. I've always

1240
01:10:57,880 --> 01:11:01,080
Speaker 3: admired the preparation that you have as a as a

1241
01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:03,240
Speaker 3: young as a young player, and all through your career

1242
01:11:03,720 --> 01:11:05,880
Speaker 3: you made sure that you knew what was going on,

1243
01:11:05,960 --> 01:11:07,479
Speaker 3: you knew what you were doing. You weren't going to

1244
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:11,000
Speaker 3: hurt your team. Do the same thing. And in this

1245
01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:13,960
Speaker 3: other life after football, you know that you want to

1246
01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:16,120
Speaker 3: stay in the game of football, but it's life after

1247
01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:20,120
Speaker 3: football from a broadcasting standpoint, make sure that you're prepared,

1248
01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:23,599
Speaker 3: make sure you do your homework, make sure you're you're

1249
01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:26,560
Speaker 3: not surprised by things that teams do out in the

1250
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:29,559
Speaker 3: football field, because you know you you're you're ready for it,

1251
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:33,000
Speaker 3: you studied it, you're you're you're ready to adapt. So

1252
01:11:33,680 --> 01:11:36,479
Speaker 3: that that made a big impression on me as well.

1253
01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:40,519
Speaker 3: And I would I would say that it was probably

1254
01:11:40,520 --> 01:11:43,960
Speaker 3: a combined you know, desire. I wanted to do something

1255
01:11:44,479 --> 01:11:47,479
Speaker 3: to stay in the game of football, and broadcasting ended

1256
01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:49,680
Speaker 3: up being the thing that fit me best at that

1257
01:11:49,720 --> 01:11:53,320
Speaker 3: particular time. And the Bengals were all for it in

1258
01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:57,479
Speaker 3: terms of their support and feeling like be able to

1259
01:11:58,120 --> 01:11:59,720
Speaker 3: get the job done and do a good job for

1260
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:03,040
Speaker 3: the ranization. And so, you know, a bunch of years later,

1261
01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:06,240
Speaker 3: here as we come up on the fiftieth fortieth, come

1262
01:12:06,320 --> 01:12:09,840
Speaker 3: up in the broadcast booth, still going, still going strong

1263
01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:11,840
Speaker 3: with my man Dan Horde, and I'm hopefully doing it

1264
01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:14,760
Speaker 3: for a few more years, because there's nothing better than

1265
01:12:14,760 --> 01:12:17,040
Speaker 3: doing football games with Dan Horde, because, like I said,

1266
01:12:17,080 --> 01:12:21,040
Speaker 3: you are a pros pro man. You are always prepared

1267
01:12:21,080 --> 01:12:24,719
Speaker 3: for everything and anything, and your ability to adjust to

1268
01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:29,400
Speaker 3: anything is remarkable, and I think I think you're as

1269
01:12:29,400 --> 01:12:30,040
Speaker 3: good as it gets.

1270
01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:33,960
Speaker 1: I'm blushing on this zoom call. I really appreciate the

1271
01:12:34,040 --> 01:12:36,120
Speaker 1: kind words, and hopefully you're doing it for more than

1272
01:12:36,160 --> 01:12:38,920
Speaker 1: just a few more years. Hopefully We've got several Super

1273
01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:41,120
Speaker 1: Bowls to look forward to together.

1274
01:12:41,640 --> 01:12:42,240
Speaker 3: That'd be great.

1275
01:12:43,080 --> 01:12:46,200
Speaker 1: All right, final question for my friend Dave Lapham. As

1276
01:12:46,240 --> 01:12:49,400
Speaker 1: you know, I end my fun Facts interviews with the

1277
01:12:49,439 --> 01:12:51,920
Speaker 1: same question every time. I've never posed it to you,

1278
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Speaker 1: so here goes. If you could meet anybody in history,

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01:12:57,520 --> 01:13:00,920
Speaker 1: living or deceased, would that person be.

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Speaker 3: I would have to say, I'm not an overly religious person,

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01:13:07,280 --> 01:13:09,040
Speaker 3: but I do believe, you know, and I and I

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01:13:09,080 --> 01:13:11,519
Speaker 3: try to live my life the right way and and

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01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:16,120
Speaker 3: make decisions that are positive and impact not just myself

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01:13:16,160 --> 01:13:21,759
Speaker 3: but other people as as as well as can possibly occur.

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Speaker 3: I'd have to say Jesus Christ. I would love to

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01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:26,720
Speaker 3: have met Jesus Christ. I would love to have been

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01:13:28,240 --> 01:13:33,599
Speaker 3: able to to see firsthand. Would be a long time ago,

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01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:38,600
Speaker 3: but you know, see in an experience and just be

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01:13:38,680 --> 01:13:42,479
Speaker 3: around him going through everything he had to go through,

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01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:46,679
Speaker 3: you know, really being on the inside and finding out

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01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:53,960
Speaker 3: what he's thinking, what his mindset was. Obviously he's he

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01:13:54,120 --> 01:13:58,599
Speaker 3: is perfection and UH. And if I could have somehow

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01:13:59,200 --> 01:14:01,479
Speaker 3: worked it out in his three to have been able

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01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:05,360
Speaker 3: to to uh, to be there for the entire not

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01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:10,400
Speaker 3: you know, it's entire life. And I mean, to leave

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01:14:10,479 --> 01:14:13,360
Speaker 3: so young and to be crucified, and to go the

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01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:16,200
Speaker 3: way that he went. It's just I just I just

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01:14:16,240 --> 01:14:18,160
Speaker 3: would have loved to have been in his head as

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01:14:18,200 --> 01:14:23,080
Speaker 3: such and understood and uh and followed everything that he

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01:14:23,200 --> 01:14:27,000
Speaker 3: was thinking and firsthand, instead of you know, written in

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01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:30,360
Speaker 3: the Bible or you know, some kind of dossier or

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01:14:30,360 --> 01:14:32,760
Speaker 3: whatever the case may be, be able to talk to

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01:14:32,840 --> 01:14:36,000
Speaker 3: him exactly why why are you doing this? Why have

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01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:40,240
Speaker 3: you decided that this is the approach you have to take? Why?

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01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:43,840
Speaker 3: How how difficult has it been to be one of one?

1306
01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:46,600
Speaker 3: You're all by yourself and everybody else is against you?

1307
01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:48,760
Speaker 3: I mean, what how do you live your life that way?

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01:14:49,360 --> 01:14:51,439
Speaker 3: There'd be so many questions that I would love to

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01:14:51,479 --> 01:14:54,240
Speaker 3: have asked Jesus Christ. And I mean, as interviewers, we

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01:14:54,280 --> 01:14:58,080
Speaker 3: know what that you always know when you're done with

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01:14:58,120 --> 01:15:00,839
Speaker 3: an interview. God man, that was just a great subject

1312
01:15:00,840 --> 01:15:03,559
Speaker 3: to talk to, interview that guy. That dude is that

1313
01:15:03,640 --> 01:15:07,800
Speaker 3: dude's special? Well, who's more special than Jesus Christ? As

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01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:10,639
Speaker 3: an interviewer, would be are you kidding me? I get

1315
01:15:10,680 --> 01:15:13,519
Speaker 3: a chance to sit down and talk to Jesus Christ

1316
01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:16,040
Speaker 3: about his life and all the things that he went

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01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:18,559
Speaker 3: through and all the suffering that he had to endure

1318
01:15:18,920 --> 01:15:21,160
Speaker 3: and what he did for all of us and the

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01:15:21,240 --> 01:15:24,519
Speaker 3: ultimate sacrifice, and you know, given his life for the

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01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:29,800
Speaker 3: betterment of humanity. I mean, how good would that have

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01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:32,519
Speaker 3: been to have been able to sit down and talk

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01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:36,520
Speaker 3: to Jesus Christ's firsthand about all the trials and tribulations

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01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:38,920
Speaker 3: that he had to deal with. I mean, what an

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01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:42,880
Speaker 3: extraordinary life. And to be able to have been their

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01:15:42,920 --> 01:15:45,720
Speaker 3: first hand I think would have been a unique experience.

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Speaker 1: You have also had an extraordinary life. Congratulations on this honor.

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01:15:51,720 --> 01:15:55,439
Speaker 1: It is richly deserved. The fans got it right. I'll

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01:15:55,439 --> 01:15:58,240
Speaker 1: try not to get choked up here, because you know,

1329
01:15:58,280 --> 01:16:01,040
Speaker 1: I'm a crier. One of the great joys of my

1330
01:16:01,160 --> 01:16:04,519
Speaker 1: life and blessings of my life is to be your

1331
01:16:04,520 --> 01:16:08,000
Speaker 1: broadcast partner and your friend. Thanks so much for your time.

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01:16:08,760 --> 01:16:12,400
Speaker 1: Look forward to the public reacting to this news. This

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01:16:12,760 --> 01:16:14,760
Speaker 1: this podcast will come out at the same time as

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01:16:14,760 --> 01:16:16,680
Speaker 1: the announcement, and I know Bengals fans are going to

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01:16:16,680 --> 01:16:17,360
Speaker 1: be overjoyed.

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Speaker 3: Well, Dan, I certainly do appreciate those kind words. And uh,

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01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:27,639
Speaker 3: you know, I get emotional thinking about about a lot

1338
01:16:27,640 --> 01:16:30,920
Speaker 3: of a lot of it. Emotional about you know, the

1339
01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:35,360
Speaker 3: people that have contributed to my success as such. And

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01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:39,840
Speaker 3: you know, I look at you as as as as

1341
01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:42,880
Speaker 3: a big, big person in that regard, and and I

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01:16:43,200 --> 01:16:45,639
Speaker 3: can get emotional thinking about you as a friend as well,

1343
01:16:45,680 --> 01:16:51,000
Speaker 3: because you, Dan Horne, is as pure a heart as

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01:16:51,080 --> 01:16:53,160
Speaker 3: there is. I mean, you have a heart of gold,

1345
01:16:53,200 --> 01:16:57,559
Speaker 3: my man. You you are, you are, you know, just unique.

1346
01:16:57,840 --> 01:17:01,479
Speaker 3: You're one of one and have enjoy a friendship and

1347
01:17:01,560 --> 01:17:04,400
Speaker 3: enjoy and and be able to be in a broadcast

1348
01:17:04,439 --> 01:17:07,800
Speaker 3: booth if you on a on a weekly basis. I mean,

1349
01:17:08,600 --> 01:17:13,639
Speaker 3: I tell you, people are like, Okay, National Football League.

1350
01:17:13,960 --> 01:17:16,280
Speaker 3: That's that's the goal. That's the goal everybody that starts

1351
01:17:16,320 --> 01:17:19,519
Speaker 3: to get involved in the game, have a chance to

1352
01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:21,840
Speaker 3: play for ten years and then have another chance to

1353
01:17:21,880 --> 01:17:25,519
Speaker 3: broadcast for forty and to be doing it down the

1354
01:17:25,520 --> 01:17:28,479
Speaker 3: stretch and have my fortieth year to be in the

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01:17:28,520 --> 01:17:32,880
Speaker 3: booth with a guy like you who basically is what

1356
01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:35,840
Speaker 3: a broadcaster should be in every sense of the word.

1357
01:17:36,720 --> 01:17:42,439
Speaker 3: I couldn't. I couldn't. I couldn't think of anything more appealing.

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01:17:43,640 --> 01:17:45,960
Speaker 3: It's it's it's mind boggling to me that I'm in

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01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:50,120
Speaker 3: the in the position that I'm in, and I do

1360
01:17:50,200 --> 01:17:52,840
Speaker 3: appreciate the Bengals and the Brown family for giving me

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01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:57,519
Speaker 3: this opportunity, and I uh, I think, thank the Good

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01:17:57,560 --> 01:17:59,840
Speaker 3: Lord that it's with you, Dan Horde, that I'm going

1363
01:17:59,880 --> 01:18:03,880
Speaker 3: to doing my fortieth year with the Cincinnati Bengals in

1364
01:18:03,920 --> 01:18:06,720
Speaker 3: the broadcast booth and me total in fifty years and

1365
01:18:07,240 --> 01:18:09,160
Speaker 3: ring of honor because they have fifty years and all

1366
01:18:09,200 --> 01:18:12,479
Speaker 3: the things associated with it. It's just, I mean, it's beyond.

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01:18:14,200 --> 01:18:16,600
Speaker 3: It's beyond what I can comprehend. I'll tell you it

1368
01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:20,719
Speaker 3: really is. Little did I know as I was thinking

1369
01:18:20,720 --> 01:18:22,880
Speaker 3: about trying to what would you like to do with

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01:18:22,920 --> 01:18:26,720
Speaker 3: your life? Way back when I knew I wanted to

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01:18:26,720 --> 01:18:28,679
Speaker 3: play sports, I knew it was going to be football.

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01:18:28,920 --> 01:18:31,880
Speaker 3: I mean played other sports, but I knew my sport

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01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:33,400
Speaker 3: was going to be football, and I knew it was

1374
01:18:33,439 --> 01:18:37,000
Speaker 3: going to be alignment in football. But to be able

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01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:40,080
Speaker 3: to play at the highest level and with the people

1376
01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:43,360
Speaker 3: that I played with, unbelievable people, you know, not just

1377
01:18:43,439 --> 01:18:46,880
Speaker 3: great football players, but unbelievable human beings, and then to

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01:18:46,920 --> 01:18:48,680
Speaker 3: go into the broadcast booth and do it for as

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01:18:48,680 --> 01:18:51,000
Speaker 3: long as I've been able and fortunate enough to do it,

1380
01:18:51,640 --> 01:18:54,880
Speaker 3: and to be with you, I mean because everybody there

1381
01:18:54,880 --> 01:18:58,439
Speaker 3: were I did. I have enjoyed football with a lot

1382
01:18:58,479 --> 01:19:01,559
Speaker 3: of unbelievable people, but none better than you, Dan Horn.

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01:19:02,240 --> 01:19:06,240
Speaker 3: One of one, no question about it. They broke the mold.

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01:19:06,800 --> 01:19:11,480
Speaker 3: You are the best. You are an extremely gifted broadcaster,

1385
01:19:12,080 --> 01:19:16,200
Speaker 3: and if it's possible, the Good Lord said, I'm going

1386
01:19:16,280 --> 01:19:18,360
Speaker 3: to make Dan Horde an even better human being.

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Speaker 1: This podcast is not about me. It's getting embarrassed. I

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01:19:24,320 --> 01:19:27,000
Speaker 1: love you, Pal, Thank you so much. Congrats again, look

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01:19:27,040 --> 01:19:27,960
Speaker 1: forward to seeing you soon.

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01:19:28,520 --> 01:19:30,799
Speaker 3: Same here, Dan, have the best day ever, have my man.

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01:19:31,640 --> 01:19:34,080
Speaker 1: There's an old saying in broadcasting that it's a long

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01:19:34,200 --> 01:19:37,719
Speaker 1: season and a small booth. In other words, it's easy

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01:19:37,720 --> 01:19:41,120
Speaker 1: for broadcasting partners to get on each other's nerves. Well,

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01:19:41,160 --> 01:19:44,280
Speaker 1: that doesn't happen with Dave Lapham. I know how lucky

1395
01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:48,439
Speaker 1: I am to spend every game learning from and laughing

1396
01:19:48,520 --> 01:19:52,519
Speaker 1: with one of the greatest Bengals of all time. Before

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Speaker 1: we get to Lamar Parrish, here's a quick reminder that

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01:19:55,200 --> 01:19:57,920
Speaker 1: the Bengals Booth podcast is brought to you by pay Corps,

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1403
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Speaker 1: is the official healthcare provider of the Bengals. Lamar Parrish

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01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:20,320
Speaker 1: was a seventh round draft pick in the bengals third

1405
01:20:20,400 --> 01:20:24,160
Speaker 1: season nineteen seventy and teamed up with Ken Riley to

1406
01:20:24,240 --> 01:20:29,559
Speaker 1: form the best cornerback duo in team history. Riley holds

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01:20:29,560 --> 01:20:33,559
Speaker 1: the franchise record with a stunning sixty five interceptions, a

1408
01:20:33,680 --> 01:20:36,559
Speaker 1: number that helped him earn his place in the Pro

1409
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:40,839
Speaker 1: Football Hall of Fame. Parish wasn't far behind. He finished

1410
01:20:40,840 --> 01:20:44,840
Speaker 1: his career with forty seven its. But an even more

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01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:49,720
Speaker 1: impressive number were the thirteen touchdowns he scored. Four on

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01:20:49,880 --> 01:20:54,720
Speaker 1: pick sixes, four on punt returns, three on fumble returns,

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01:20:55,160 --> 01:20:58,599
Speaker 1: one on a kick return, and one after a block

1414
01:20:58,680 --> 01:21:03,760
Speaker 1: field goal. Lamar thirteen non offensive touchdowns are tied for

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01:21:03,880 --> 01:21:10,040
Speaker 1: fifth in NFL history. Here's Mike Brown. I'm Lamar Parish.

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01:21:10,600 --> 01:21:17,439
Speaker 2: Lamar deserves more people remembering him than do I don't

1417
01:21:17,479 --> 01:21:21,160
Speaker 2: know why that's so. During his time here I think

1418
01:21:21,280 --> 01:21:24,519
Speaker 2: was about seven years he played for us. He was

1419
01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:30,840
Speaker 2: the most talented cornerback we ever had. And we've had

1420
01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:36,720
Speaker 2: some great cornerbacks, but he was also the best returner

1421
01:21:37,040 --> 01:21:42,080
Speaker 2: we ever had. And the one story that we stood

1422
01:21:42,080 --> 01:21:47,759
Speaker 2: out in my mind about Lamar was when we played

1423
01:21:47,920 --> 01:21:50,920
Speaker 2: Washington here. They had a good team and we had

1424
01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:55,760
Speaker 2: something like three yards total offense. We didn't move the

1425
01:21:55,800 --> 01:21:58,680
Speaker 2: ball at all. We won the game. We went it

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01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:05,160
Speaker 2: on returns. Lamar on one punt return, went into a

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01:22:05,240 --> 01:22:08,200
Speaker 2: group of players that looked like a ball of players

1428
01:22:08,240 --> 01:22:12,720
Speaker 2: that he dove into and somehow he ran out the

1429
01:22:12,760 --> 01:22:17,640
Speaker 2: back end of all this accumulated group of players and

1430
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:22,600
Speaker 2: went on without losing stride for a touchdown. It was

1431
01:22:22,640 --> 01:22:26,200
Speaker 2: a very odd looking play, and when he came off

1432
01:22:26,320 --> 01:22:30,880
Speaker 2: the field, my dad said, Lamar, how did it look

1433
01:22:30,920 --> 01:22:34,519
Speaker 2: when he ran inside with all those players? Ah, he said, Coach,

1434
01:22:34,600 --> 01:22:35,679
Speaker 2: it was dark in there.

1435
01:22:37,040 --> 01:22:38,600
Speaker 3: How he explained it.

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01:22:38,640 --> 01:22:41,320
Speaker 2: And my dad loved that story, and I loved it

1437
01:22:41,360 --> 01:22:47,720
Speaker 2: because he loved it. But it was just a description

1438
01:22:48,160 --> 01:22:53,080
Speaker 2: about Lamar, who could do exceptional things at his position.

1439
01:22:53,160 --> 01:22:59,240
Speaker 2: He had exceptional, unique almost quickness. He could cover like

1440
01:22:59,320 --> 01:23:04,920
Speaker 2: a blanket. The receivers didn't get open on him, and

1441
01:23:05,080 --> 01:23:09,120
Speaker 2: he could play the ball we had on the other

1442
01:23:09,280 --> 01:23:15,760
Speaker 2: side that Kenny was over there and we had two corners,

1443
01:23:15,800 --> 01:23:17,599
Speaker 2: the equal of any team ever.

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01:23:19,120 --> 01:23:22,639
Speaker 1: Now time for my conversation with the eight time pro

1445
01:23:22,760 --> 01:23:29,240
Speaker 1: bowler Leapin' Lamar Parish. Lamar, you are in multiple halls

1446
01:23:29,240 --> 01:23:32,040
Speaker 1: of fame. Your uniform number was retired at your alma mater,

1447
01:23:32,120 --> 01:23:36,559
Speaker 1: Lincoln University in Missouri. Describe what adding the Bengals Ring

1448
01:23:36,720 --> 01:23:39,360
Speaker 1: of Honor to that list means to you.

1449
01:23:40,280 --> 01:23:44,200
Speaker 4: It means that I have been recognized as one of

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01:23:44,280 --> 01:23:48,960
Speaker 4: the best. Get to have this honor as a dream

1451
01:23:49,080 --> 01:23:52,040
Speaker 4: come true. You know, as a little boy, I dream

1452
01:23:52,640 --> 01:23:56,080
Speaker 4: of becoming the greatest football player in the world. Even

1453
01:23:56,120 --> 01:23:58,599
Speaker 4: though I'm not the greatest, that have staying among the

1454
01:23:58,640 --> 01:24:03,400
Speaker 4: best with Ken Rally and Ken Anderson and Mournos and

1455
01:24:03,439 --> 01:24:05,840
Speaker 4: the rest of the guys. And I'm pleased to have

1456
01:24:05,920 --> 01:24:09,880
Speaker 4: been selected. I want to thank the Brown family and

1457
01:24:09,920 --> 01:24:14,840
Speaker 4: the committee for selecting me. And this is one of

1458
01:24:14,840 --> 01:24:18,519
Speaker 4: the greatest honors that I ever have received, and I'm grateful.

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01:24:18,600 --> 01:24:20,479
Speaker 4: I'm thankful, Labar.

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01:24:20,560 --> 01:24:23,160
Speaker 1: Let's turn the clock back. You were a seventh round

1461
01:24:23,160 --> 01:24:26,800
Speaker 1: pick coming out of Lincoln in nineteen seventy. What do

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01:24:26,840 --> 01:24:30,280
Speaker 1: you remember about being chosen by Paul Brown and the Bengals.

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01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:35,559
Speaker 4: Hey, well, I've never hearried from the Bengals until draft time,

1464
01:24:36,280 --> 01:24:39,040
Speaker 4: and I was pleased to have been drafted by Paul Brown,

1465
01:24:39,080 --> 01:24:43,160
Speaker 4: one of the greatest coaches that I know, and had

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01:24:43,160 --> 01:24:46,719
Speaker 4: to have been selected by the Bengals coming there young

1467
01:24:47,040 --> 01:24:48,639
Speaker 4: and you know, the rest of the guys was young,

1468
01:24:48,760 --> 01:24:53,439
Speaker 4: so that we kind of jailed together and form a

1469
01:24:53,479 --> 01:24:57,240
Speaker 4: good football team there. So I have been lighted to

1470
01:24:57,400 --> 01:25:00,800
Speaker 4: have been drafted by the Bengals, and I couldn't have

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01:25:00,880 --> 01:25:01,880
Speaker 4: chose a better place.

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Speaker 1: I've read some stories that say that you are running

1473
01:25:06,040 --> 01:25:09,160
Speaker 1: back in college, and then other stories say that you

1474
01:25:09,200 --> 01:25:11,960
Speaker 1: were a defensive back in college. What's the true story.

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01:25:14,360 --> 01:25:18,000
Speaker 4: I was a running back that I never played cornerback

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01:25:18,240 --> 01:25:19,800
Speaker 4: ever in my life. You know what I'm saying. I

1477
01:25:19,800 --> 01:25:23,800
Speaker 4: always have been a running back. However, I would go

1478
01:25:23,920 --> 01:25:27,560
Speaker 4: in as a safety some time to depend against the

1479
01:25:27,640 --> 01:25:31,240
Speaker 4: deep ball, but I never played corner. I trained myself

1480
01:25:31,280 --> 01:25:35,240
Speaker 4: to play corner on the beaches. I was a natural athlete,

1481
01:25:36,920 --> 01:25:40,519
Speaker 4: trained hard and shooting. I did the things that I

1482
01:25:40,680 --> 01:25:44,479
Speaker 4: needed to do to perfect the position.

1483
01:25:45,400 --> 01:25:47,200
Speaker 1: So when did you find out you were going to

1484
01:25:47,200 --> 01:25:48,560
Speaker 1: play corner in Cincinnati?

1485
01:25:50,320 --> 01:25:55,799
Speaker 4: Well, Paul Brown, I think he was looking for a corner.

1486
01:25:57,760 --> 01:26:01,160
Speaker 4: I was drafted as an ass because of my size.

1487
01:26:01,200 --> 01:26:04,320
Speaker 4: They didn't know where else gonna play, but Paul needed

1488
01:26:04,360 --> 01:26:08,599
Speaker 4: a corner, so from day one our chosen to play

1489
01:26:08,640 --> 01:26:09,120
Speaker 4: the corner.

1490
01:26:10,160 --> 01:26:11,400
Speaker 1: And how did you feel about it?

1491
01:26:13,560 --> 01:26:16,519
Speaker 4: I feel a great about it because being a running back,

1492
01:26:16,600 --> 01:26:20,080
Speaker 4: I was too small and I wouldn't have taken a

1493
01:26:20,080 --> 01:26:23,680
Speaker 4: lot of punishment. I'm glad that Paul Brown ben and

1494
01:26:23,720 --> 01:26:28,479
Speaker 4: Jenians that he is so fit that I will become

1495
01:26:28,520 --> 01:26:29,240
Speaker 4: a good corner.

1496
01:26:30,080 --> 01:26:33,280
Speaker 1: We are visiting the Bengals legend, Lamar Parrish. You join

1497
01:26:33,360 --> 01:26:36,360
Speaker 1: your former roommate and close friend Ken Riley in the

1498
01:26:36,400 --> 01:26:39,880
Speaker 1: Ring of Honor. You two were the starting cornerbacks together

1499
01:26:40,160 --> 01:26:43,080
Speaker 1: for eight years and Mike Brown says you were the

1500
01:26:43,200 --> 01:26:48,320
Speaker 1: equal of any cornerback tandem in NFL history. Describe your

1501
01:26:48,360 --> 01:26:51,800
Speaker 1: relationship with Ken and tell me why you two made

1502
01:26:51,920 --> 01:26:53,000
Speaker 1: such a great pair.

1503
01:26:54,640 --> 01:26:58,040
Speaker 4: Ken and I was very close a number one that

1504
01:26:58,160 --> 01:27:00,719
Speaker 4: we talked about a lot of things because about family

1505
01:27:00,760 --> 01:27:04,400
Speaker 4: they've been miss uh And the most important thing at

1506
01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:09,639
Speaker 4: the time was a plan for the Bengals, being able

1507
01:27:09,680 --> 01:27:16,080
Speaker 4: to start and share out or to share our ideas.

1508
01:27:16,080 --> 01:27:18,920
Speaker 4: And I hope for the future both of us us

1509
01:27:18,960 --> 01:27:21,479
Speaker 4: afraid when we first came there because we didn't know

1510
01:27:23,000 --> 01:27:28,479
Speaker 4: what to expect. Kennan was a great differences bike. He

1511
01:27:28,640 --> 01:27:36,400
Speaker 4: was a position corner. He technique uh sound and quick.

1512
01:27:37,479 --> 01:27:40,559
Speaker 4: I was in your phase. We was two different type players,

1513
01:27:40,680 --> 01:27:44,400
Speaker 4: but they both of us achieved the same goals and

1514
01:27:44,400 --> 01:27:49,839
Speaker 4: and and that was to lock down outside of the field.

1515
01:27:49,840 --> 01:27:54,559
Speaker 4: But Kenny and I was friends, were very slow, different

1516
01:27:54,560 --> 01:27:57,559
Speaker 4: in a lot of ways, but we had a lot

1517
01:27:57,560 --> 01:28:02,640
Speaker 4: of things in Colling. We we wanted to be the best.

1518
01:28:03,000 --> 01:28:06,720
Speaker 4: Maybe we share the idea and we have one of

1519
01:28:07,000 --> 01:28:09,439
Speaker 4: to become what we are today.

1520
01:28:10,640 --> 01:28:16,360
Speaker 1: Lamar, the Bengals website describes you as Dion before Dion,

1521
01:28:17,120 --> 01:28:19,840
Speaker 1: not only for your play at cornerback, but also your

1522
01:28:19,880 --> 01:28:23,559
Speaker 1: skills as a return specialist and the flare with which

1523
01:28:23,560 --> 01:28:26,000
Speaker 1: you played. What do you think of that? Were you

1524
01:28:26,120 --> 01:28:27,320
Speaker 1: Dion before Dion?

1525
01:28:28,439 --> 01:28:31,160
Speaker 4: Well, that's what they say, but I was Lamar young,

1526
01:28:31,240 --> 01:28:36,000
Speaker 4: So I mean, you know them had his own They

1527
01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:39,559
Speaker 4: can see Junster. I mean that you can't deny that.

1528
01:28:39,760 --> 01:28:42,560
Speaker 4: But I did it before anybody that I know. You know,

1529
01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:44,680
Speaker 4: I'm saying because it was natural for me to do.

1530
01:28:44,800 --> 01:28:48,519
Speaker 4: Being the running back. I always felt big, you know,

1531
01:28:48,640 --> 01:28:51,680
Speaker 4: saying me I want to school anybody and knock the

1532
01:28:51,720 --> 01:28:54,679
Speaker 4: ball down, but to take it back to the house

1533
01:28:55,320 --> 01:29:03,320
Speaker 4: it was something special and to be recognized to them,

1534
01:29:03,600 --> 01:29:06,000
Speaker 4: it's a pleasure. But you know that I'm Lamar. I'm

1535
01:29:06,040 --> 01:29:09,080
Speaker 4: not there. I don't try to be there, John said,

1536
01:29:09,080 --> 01:29:11,240
Speaker 4: because I did what I had to do before I

1537
01:29:11,280 --> 01:29:15,320
Speaker 4: even knew deal, So I am Lamar.

1538
01:29:16,120 --> 01:29:19,439
Speaker 1: It's probably more accurate to say that Dion was Lamar

1539
01:29:19,720 --> 01:29:23,479
Speaker 1: after Lamar, since you came first, and you.

1540
01:29:23,439 --> 01:29:29,080
Speaker 4: Could say that. I agree with you. But I never

1541
01:29:29,120 --> 01:29:32,040
Speaker 4: wanted to be like I never wanted to be like

1542
01:29:32,160 --> 01:29:35,240
Speaker 4: any defensive bank. You know. I mean because I had

1543
01:29:35,280 --> 01:29:39,040
Speaker 4: my idols and stuff at home, my big brother and

1544
01:29:39,120 --> 01:29:42,400
Speaker 4: a guy named Dan Kelliwrate, my brother in law. You

1545
01:29:42,439 --> 01:29:47,000
Speaker 4: know those guys were now. I never idled any defensive

1546
01:29:47,040 --> 01:29:50,599
Speaker 4: bank un run the bank in the league. I mind

1547
01:29:50,640 --> 01:29:53,280
Speaker 4: the way they played, but I didn't want to be

1548
01:29:53,360 --> 01:29:54,040
Speaker 4: like any of those.

1549
01:29:54,160 --> 01:29:56,800
Speaker 3: I wanted to be Lamar Lamar.

1550
01:29:56,840 --> 01:29:59,280
Speaker 1: In addition to being a great player, you were known

1551
01:29:59,320 --> 01:30:03,640
Speaker 1: for your style. Nineteen seventies wardrobe. Tell us about the

1552
01:30:03,640 --> 01:30:06,599
Speaker 1: time you walked into the locker room and Paul Brown

1553
01:30:06,760 --> 01:30:11,400
Speaker 1: was wearing your fur coat.

1554
01:30:11,640 --> 01:30:15,439
Speaker 4: That was the moment I see you. I'd never seen

1555
01:30:15,560 --> 01:30:18,360
Speaker 4: Paul so happy because we were playing the Browns at

1556
01:30:18,360 --> 01:30:22,400
Speaker 4: the time, you know, and Paul was compliment that we

1557
01:30:22,439 --> 01:30:24,719
Speaker 4: was going to beat the brown because we had worked

1558
01:30:24,720 --> 01:30:30,040
Speaker 4: hard at etc. But to come out of the bathroom

1559
01:30:30,520 --> 01:30:33,160
Speaker 4: and see Paul with my mink coolos in my head

1560
01:30:33,360 --> 01:30:37,559
Speaker 4: was hey, that was that was a sight to see

1561
01:30:37,760 --> 01:30:41,080
Speaker 4: just sain He pranced around and laughed and that's the

1562
01:30:41,160 --> 01:30:44,280
Speaker 4: first time I ever seen him in that type of

1563
01:30:44,360 --> 01:30:47,320
Speaker 4: move you know. So, I mean that was interesting, very

1564
01:30:47,320 --> 01:30:48,240
Speaker 4: interesting to me.

1565
01:30:49,080 --> 01:30:51,360
Speaker 1: I would pay a good I'd pay a good buck

1566
01:30:51,439 --> 01:30:54,960
Speaker 1: for a photo of Paul Brown in your mint coat

1567
01:30:55,000 --> 01:30:56,000
Speaker 1: and your hat.

1568
01:30:56,680 --> 01:30:59,040
Speaker 4: I wish I could have taken a picture of myself

1569
01:30:59,120 --> 01:31:01,880
Speaker 4: because that was a great moment. And I'll tell you

1570
01:31:01,960 --> 01:31:04,800
Speaker 4: what did he He was felt a specially. He was

1571
01:31:04,840 --> 01:31:09,000
Speaker 4: a piece of work, but a great coach and a

1572
01:31:09,000 --> 01:31:12,600
Speaker 4: great organizer, you know that another credit for drafting me.

1573
01:31:13,800 --> 01:31:14,479
Speaker 4: I'm grateful.

1574
01:31:15,720 --> 01:31:17,240
Speaker 1: What became of the mink coat.

1575
01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:20,519
Speaker 4: I don't know. I got another one, and that one

1576
01:31:20,560 --> 01:31:20,960
Speaker 4: grew old.

1577
01:31:24,160 --> 01:31:24,439
Speaker 3: Lamar.

1578
01:31:24,560 --> 01:31:28,280
Speaker 1: Let's talk about some of your accomplishments. In nineteen seventy four,

1579
01:31:28,439 --> 01:31:32,280
Speaker 1: you set a team record that still stands by averaging

1580
01:31:32,800 --> 01:31:36,479
Speaker 1: eighteen point eight yards per punt return. That is the

1581
01:31:36,560 --> 01:31:40,080
Speaker 1: highest mark in NFL history during the Super Bowl era.

1582
01:31:40,840 --> 01:31:44,000
Speaker 1: What made you such a lethal punt returner.

1583
01:31:45,200 --> 01:31:49,639
Speaker 4: Well, I was blessed with speed and quickness and speak

1584
01:31:50,760 --> 01:31:53,479
Speaker 4: and I don't to be our great corner back, you

1585
01:31:53,560 --> 01:31:56,840
Speaker 4: gotta have a feel for it. I mean, and I

1586
01:31:56,880 --> 01:31:58,920
Speaker 4: had a fear for being a running back. I'd like

1587
01:31:59,000 --> 01:32:02,519
Speaker 4: to see people miss that. I mean, so my thing

1588
01:32:02,760 --> 01:32:06,080
Speaker 4: if this, if I could get you to stop this gold,

1589
01:32:06,120 --> 01:32:08,160
Speaker 4: then I was gonna beat you because I was gonna

1590
01:32:08,160 --> 01:32:11,679
Speaker 4: work the fear for the good. That was my greatest asset.

1591
01:32:11,760 --> 01:32:15,160
Speaker 4: Now I mean to get you this though, Uh stop

1592
01:32:15,840 --> 01:32:18,200
Speaker 4: or slow up a little bit so I could accelerate.

1593
01:32:19,000 --> 01:32:23,719
Speaker 4: And my acceleration was something uh that got me through

1594
01:32:23,840 --> 01:32:25,720
Speaker 4: you knowee. I mean because if I stopped, I could,

1595
01:32:26,320 --> 01:32:28,360
Speaker 4: I could stop faster than anybody I know.

1596
01:32:29,439 --> 01:32:34,200
Speaker 1: Did you ever get timed in the forty.

1597
01:32:32,560 --> 01:32:35,920
Speaker 4: Yes, my best time was four two, but uh, Paul

1598
01:32:36,000 --> 01:32:39,360
Speaker 4: Brown timed us in noon for him helman shoulder past

1599
01:32:39,400 --> 01:32:40,800
Speaker 4: and stuff. I didn't know if I was gonna have

1600
01:32:40,840 --> 01:32:43,080
Speaker 4: to run and shoulder past the helmet and stuff.

1601
01:32:43,880 --> 01:32:47,640
Speaker 1: So you ran a four to two fully padded No,

1602
01:32:48,320 --> 01:32:48,840
Speaker 1: I ran.

1603
01:32:48,720 --> 01:32:53,000
Speaker 4: A post hope for the pack and my best time

1604
01:32:53,040 --> 01:32:55,880
Speaker 4: ever was scored two. I was consisting at four to three.

1605
01:32:56,400 --> 01:33:01,960
Speaker 1: Gotcha, you scored thirteen none off touchdowns, so punt return,

1606
01:33:02,080 --> 01:33:05,240
Speaker 1: kick return, interception return, et cetera. That's top five in

1607
01:33:05,400 --> 01:33:08,400
Speaker 1: NFL history. Do you have excuse me, do you have

1608
01:33:08,439 --> 01:33:10,559
Speaker 1: a most memorable Yes.

1609
01:33:10,760 --> 01:33:13,439
Speaker 4: Dude, I was playing against I think the risk ins

1610
01:33:13,520 --> 01:33:17,960
Speaker 4: was someone and I ran into a group of guys

1611
01:33:18,520 --> 01:33:21,880
Speaker 4: opponents that was trying to attacking me. I ran into

1612
01:33:21,960 --> 01:33:25,599
Speaker 4: the crowd and came out the other side and went

1613
01:33:25,640 --> 01:33:27,800
Speaker 4: in to school for about age or three ofs and

1614
01:33:28,120 --> 01:33:30,559
Speaker 4: that was amazing. Paul Brown asked me to say, how

1615
01:33:30,560 --> 01:33:31,240
Speaker 4: wepen they now?

1616
01:33:31,360 --> 01:33:31,639
Speaker 3: Lamar?

1617
01:33:31,680 --> 01:33:33,000
Speaker 4: I said, it was dog.

1618
01:33:35,400 --> 01:33:36,200
Speaker 1: You found the light.

1619
01:33:37,840 --> 01:33:40,439
Speaker 4: I saw a little bit of daylight and I just

1620
01:33:40,520 --> 01:33:41,400
Speaker 4: read to daylight.

1621
01:33:42,800 --> 01:33:46,000
Speaker 1: Lamar, you finished your career with forty seven interceptions and

1622
01:33:46,040 --> 01:33:48,519
Speaker 1: teams didn't throw the ball as much back then as

1623
01:33:48,560 --> 01:33:51,439
Speaker 1: they do now. How would you describe your playing style

1624
01:33:51,479 --> 01:33:53,800
Speaker 1: at corner Well, I was.

1625
01:33:53,800 --> 01:33:59,200
Speaker 4: Taught technique up fundamentals. I could have played anywhere about

1626
01:33:59,240 --> 01:34:03,400
Speaker 4: it because learn from the best. I learned from Chuck Weber.

1627
01:34:04,240 --> 01:34:07,080
Speaker 4: When I first came to the Dingos, I didn't know

1628
01:34:07,120 --> 01:34:13,000
Speaker 4: how to play corner bak, but he taught me skills, techniques, fundamentals,

1629
01:34:13,040 --> 01:34:16,400
Speaker 4: house to stay in my bake, to what to look for,

1630
01:34:16,640 --> 01:34:19,200
Speaker 4: et cetera. You know what I mean. So that once

1631
01:34:19,320 --> 01:34:23,719
Speaker 4: I left him, then I didn't have to be taught anything,

1632
01:34:23,800 --> 01:34:26,720
Speaker 4: you know, just give me the game plan because I

1633
01:34:26,800 --> 01:34:27,240
Speaker 4: was ready.

1634
01:34:28,479 --> 01:34:30,960
Speaker 1: One of the top safeties of your era. Hall of

1635
01:34:30,960 --> 01:34:35,600
Speaker 1: Famer Ken Houston once said this about you quote confidence

1636
01:34:35,800 --> 01:34:40,320
Speaker 1: came out of him like water from a hydrant. Were

1637
01:34:40,360 --> 01:34:43,200
Speaker 1: you always confident? And how did that affect your play?

1638
01:34:44,280 --> 01:34:48,559
Speaker 4: I have always been confident, and because I know that

1639
01:34:49,080 --> 01:34:52,639
Speaker 4: God gave me certain things. He gave me cleaning, the speed,

1640
01:34:52,680 --> 01:34:56,080
Speaker 4: and et cetera. And I worked hard. I worked hard

1641
01:34:56,080 --> 01:34:57,920
Speaker 4: to anybody that I know. I worked three times a

1642
01:34:58,040 --> 01:35:01,679
Speaker 4: day like I had a job, you know, I mean, hey,

1643
01:35:01,720 --> 01:35:05,000
Speaker 4: because I wanted to be the greatest and longed to

1644
01:35:05,040 --> 01:35:07,120
Speaker 4: be the greatest. My mother always told me and said

1645
01:35:07,120 --> 01:35:08,640
Speaker 4: that you have to do what the great ones do.

1646
01:35:08,760 --> 01:35:12,160
Speaker 4: You got that work everybody, So that was my thing.

1647
01:35:12,960 --> 01:35:15,160
Speaker 4: I worked. Once I came to camp, then I was

1648
01:35:15,200 --> 01:35:19,360
Speaker 4: ready to play because I was physically ready, and I

1649
01:35:19,439 --> 01:35:20,560
Speaker 4: was melted it really.

1650
01:35:21,439 --> 01:35:24,720
Speaker 1: Lamar Ken Riley was part of the Bengals initial Ring

1651
01:35:24,760 --> 01:35:27,160
Speaker 1: of Honor class, and then two years later he was

1652
01:35:27,160 --> 01:35:29,679
Speaker 1: elected into the Pro Football Hall of Fame, and his son,

1653
01:35:29,800 --> 01:35:33,519
Speaker 1: Ken Junior believes that one honor helped lead to the other.

1654
01:35:34,120 --> 01:35:37,680
Speaker 1: Is it your hope that the publicity that goes with

1655
01:35:37,720 --> 01:35:40,599
Speaker 1: getting into the Bengals Ring of Honor will have an

1656
01:35:40,640 --> 01:35:44,200
Speaker 1: impact on Pro Football Hall of Fame voters?

1657
01:35:44,560 --> 01:35:51,040
Speaker 4: Hey, well, I hope so, and Thomas rights. This was Stephane.

1658
01:35:51,120 --> 01:35:54,320
Speaker 4: This was a big moment for me and I'm grateful

1659
01:35:54,360 --> 01:35:59,639
Speaker 4: for him, and I hope and pray that this will

1660
01:35:59,720 --> 01:36:04,120
Speaker 4: be to your Hall of Fame. Out there a put

1661
01:36:04,200 --> 01:36:09,760
Speaker 4: up the numbers. I would like to be placed on

1662
01:36:09,800 --> 01:36:12,559
Speaker 4: the side of Ken rather because web around together, He

1663
01:36:12,640 --> 01:36:15,880
Speaker 4: and half together were something spaces.

1664
01:36:16,680 --> 01:36:19,519
Speaker 1: No question about that. The other member of this year's

1665
01:36:19,560 --> 01:36:23,240
Speaker 1: Ring of Honor class is Dave Lapham, your teammate in

1666
01:36:23,280 --> 01:36:25,880
Speaker 1: your last four years with the Bengals. When I see

1667
01:36:25,920 --> 01:36:31,200
Speaker 1: that name Dave Lapham, what immediately comes to mind greatness.

1668
01:36:31,160 --> 01:36:36,920
Speaker 4: A great guy, true gay, true to the games, work hard,

1669
01:36:38,800 --> 01:36:43,080
Speaker 4: feels good. I'm a team sick and he was have

1670
01:36:43,240 --> 01:36:43,799
Speaker 4: this special.

1671
01:36:45,520 --> 01:36:48,280
Speaker 1: You guys make a great Ring of Honor class. Here's

1672
01:36:48,320 --> 01:36:51,080
Speaker 1: my final question. For you, Lamar. You had one of

1673
01:36:51,120 --> 01:36:56,960
Speaker 1: the most memorable nicknames in team history, Leaping Lamar Parrish.

1674
01:36:57,400 --> 01:37:00,439
Speaker 1: I don't know the origin story. When did you become

1675
01:37:00,520 --> 01:37:02,479
Speaker 1: Leaping Lamar and who gave you the nickname?

1676
01:37:03,720 --> 01:37:11,760
Speaker 4: I became Leapa Lamar in nineteen seventy. I think we

1677
01:37:11,920 --> 01:37:15,360
Speaker 4: was in training camp and we had a wide receiver

1678
01:37:15,479 --> 01:37:19,439
Speaker 4: by his name was Speedy Thomas. Speedy Thomas was a

1679
01:37:19,439 --> 01:37:24,439
Speaker 4: great move man, but he wasn't very fast. He gave

1680
01:37:24,479 --> 01:37:27,519
Speaker 4: me a great move into the post and I been

1681
01:37:27,600 --> 01:37:31,400
Speaker 4: on it. I overplayed the post and he went back

1682
01:37:31,439 --> 01:37:34,360
Speaker 4: to the corner, and by the time the ball was

1683
01:37:34,400 --> 01:37:38,719
Speaker 4: in the air, I was making a play on the ball,

1684
01:37:39,280 --> 01:37:41,880
Speaker 4: and the scene as though I was sitting on top

1685
01:37:41,920 --> 01:37:48,240
Speaker 4: of his head, and Speedy said after was I'm gonna

1686
01:37:48,320 --> 01:37:51,720
Speaker 4: name you Leitha Lamar, And the name stuck with him

1687
01:37:51,720 --> 01:37:52,280
Speaker 4: from there now.

1688
01:37:53,439 --> 01:37:56,679
Speaker 1: So I just learned two things. Number one, Speedy Thomas

1689
01:37:56,760 --> 01:37:59,360
Speaker 1: gave you the nickname leap and Lamar. And number two,

1690
01:37:59,520 --> 01:38:06,439
Speaker 1: despite his nickname, Speedy Thomas wasn't fast, right, He wasn't fast.

1691
01:38:06,479 --> 01:38:10,559
Speaker 4: He was quick, gotcha and was being quick and fast

1692
01:38:10,640 --> 01:38:13,080
Speaker 4: fast as straight out of speed. But quickness is in

1693
01:38:13,200 --> 01:38:17,160
Speaker 4: between the lash. You know, I mean so so speedy

1694
01:38:17,240 --> 01:38:19,599
Speaker 4: had a gift of sitting it up for certain things

1695
01:38:20,080 --> 01:38:23,320
Speaker 4: and giving you something else. So that was great. You know,

1696
01:38:23,439 --> 01:38:26,880
Speaker 4: send me I was young, I will play the post

1697
01:38:26,920 --> 01:38:29,400
Speaker 4: because I knew if you go into the post, I

1698
01:38:29,479 --> 01:38:32,960
Speaker 4: was gonna go get it. And uh well he flew

1699
01:38:33,040 --> 01:38:36,519
Speaker 4: me that time. I came back and got it and.

1700
01:38:36,560 --> 01:38:39,120
Speaker 1: The nickname quick Thomas wouldn't have been as good, so

1701
01:38:39,160 --> 01:38:46,720
Speaker 1: he had to be speedy Lamar. Congratulations again on being

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01:38:46,760 --> 01:38:49,160
Speaker 1: selected by the fans for the Bengals Ring of Honor.

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01:38:49,240 --> 01:38:51,920
Speaker 1: It is a well deserved honor and we look forward

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Speaker 1: to seeing you in October when you officially enter the

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Speaker 1: Ring of Honor. Thank you so much for your time

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01:38:57,240 --> 01:38:58,240
Speaker 1: and congratulations.

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Speaker 4: Thank you very much, and tell everybody I say hello

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Speaker 4: and leaping them. Being task.

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Speaker 1: For the final word on this year's inductees, here is

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Speaker 1: their former teammate Ken Anderson. Let's start with your old roommate,

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Speaker 1: Dave Lapham. What did you admire and respect about Big lap.

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Speaker 5: I think his football intelligence, but I mean, besides being

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01:39:22,920 --> 01:39:26,800
Speaker 5: a very loyal friend and a very loyal teammate, it

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Speaker 5: was his football smarts. I mean, here's the guy, you know,

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Speaker 5: We used to call him the tool that he was

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01:39:32,720 --> 01:39:35,000
Speaker 5: a right guard, but he played center.

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01:39:35,080 --> 01:39:36,599
Speaker 3: He played left guard, left tackle, right.

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Speaker 5: He could play him all in a pinch and never

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Speaker 5: miss a beat. And I remember when Blair Bush got

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01:39:42,400 --> 01:39:46,200
Speaker 5: hurt and Dave comes in and plays center and we

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01:39:46,280 --> 01:39:48,960
Speaker 5: did not miss a snap. He did miss assignment, you know,

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Speaker 5: for all the weeks that he played center.

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Speaker 3: So you know, I think most.

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Speaker 5: People you know will say, got forty years in the

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01:39:56,280 --> 01:39:58,680
Speaker 5: radio booth. That's why you're going in. He was a

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01:39:58,680 --> 01:40:01,360
Speaker 5: great football player before he became an announcer.

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Speaker 1: And then there's leaping Lamar Parrish undoubtedly one of the

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Speaker 1: greatest athletes you ever played with.

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Speaker 5: Correct, I mean, he was a great cornerback. But also

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Speaker 5: the years that he was there, we had a dual

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01:40:15,960 --> 01:40:21,080
Speaker 5: punt return he and Tommy Casanova. Now you know, Lamar

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Speaker 5: would get it and he's a jitterbug that would come

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01:40:23,200 --> 01:40:24,840
Speaker 5: out of the pile and go for a touchdown, and

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Speaker 5: Tommy was that long strider that would go and hit one.

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Speaker 5: But we had the most dangerous punt return in the

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Speaker 5: league for years when they would do that. But you know,

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Speaker 5: he was a dangerous corner and I think you know

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Speaker 5: one of the reasons that Kenny Ridley had a lot

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01:40:37,240 --> 01:40:39,600
Speaker 5: of interceptions is because they didn't want to throw at

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01:40:39,640 --> 01:40:40,880
Speaker 5: Lamar very often either.

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