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Speaker 1: confuses me. It's a lot of hard lefts. I haven't

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Speaker 1: read this book or any of his work. I was

425
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: too busy reading Harry Potter eleven times brag. I know. Yeah,

426
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,919
Speaker 1: So everything I have to say about Fight Club is

427
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 1: as it pertains to the movie rather than the book

428
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 1: or anything like that. But there's still a lot to

429
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:56,120
Speaker 1: talk about because I mean so much has already been

430
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,360
Speaker 1: written and said about this movie, especially as it pertains

431
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: to gender and you know, masculinity and femininity. Like a

432
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 1: common recurring thesis is that this movie can be seen

433
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:12,880
Speaker 1: as a commentary on the emasculine, emasculate. Oh my god,

434
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 1: I'm Caitlin, Oh my god, the the emasculation is that

435
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:25,360
Speaker 1: the word great? Oh that was not a way masculinization.

436
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 1: No too, It's to emasculate, not to emasculinize, right, yeah,

437
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 1: so it's the emasculation, Thank you so much. I have

438
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 1: a master's degree in screenwriting and writing in words from

439
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 1: Boston University. I I don't know how to read this word. Okay,

440
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 1: the emasculation of men in American culture. So that's like

441
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 1: a common thesis where it's like men they like to

442
00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 1: shop now, so they are not men anymore. Um, So

443
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: that's what has often been commented about this movie. Okay.

444
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 1: I was curious, what was like the general ship. I mean,

445
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 1: if you haven't seen this movie since you were in

446
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 1: middle school, what were like the big things that stood

447
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 1: out to you on a rewatch? The fascism part. That

448
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 1: definitely didn't pick up that at first, um, because I

449
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 1: didn't know what it was even it was all around me.

450
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 1: It's like, God, it's the how grandiose the plans got

451
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 1: and how like successful he was at Tyler as Tyler Dirton.

452
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 1: That's what really stood out to me the most, because

453
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 1: now I as an adult, I realized how easy it

454
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 1: is to fail. Uh. And the fact that his alter ego,

455
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 1: of which he was completely unaware is like incredibly successful

456
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 1: at literally everything he does and it's very charismatic and

457
00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: people like him and he has sex and and he

458
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 1: knows all the bombs. Um. Is like if if I

459
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 1: could create an alter ego and be way more successful

460
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 1: at that, Like yeah, I dissociated away. Yeah. Like technically

461
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 1: Project Mayhem should have been like Firefest, like in terms

462
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 1: of how it played out, Like I just should have

463
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 1: been like, who's in charge here? What Tyler Dirton in

464
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 1: to run Firefest? And you don't need the documentaries then,

465
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 1: because it I have had a hit. I want Amazon

466
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 1: Prime to release a Firefest documentary where it's like Tyler

467
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 1: Dirton and Jar Rule a Jar rules, Like I want

468
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: to wish a happy birthday to Tyler Dirt and the

469
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 1: coolest guy in the world. Uh, yeah, that's a guy

470
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 1: I hadn't even thought of that, Like, there's there's no

471
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 1: way that this should have worked out. And it's also

472
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 1: not even like we're made to think that Edward Norton's

473
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: character is like hypercompetent. He seems like that's like the

474
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 1: opposite of what his character is very average, and that's

475
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: the whole point. He's the everyman, but within every man,

476
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 1: learn a brad bit not the message of the movie. Yeah,

477
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 1: um that was. There was a great video that we

478
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 1: highly recommend to to all listeners that past guest of

479
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: our show, Maggie may Fish, made about this movie. It's

480
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 1: all about the fascism undertones of this movie, so which

481
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: we will only lightly get into, So definitely watch that

482
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 1: if you if you want to learn more about it.

483
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 1: But she opens her videos so funny where she she says,

484
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: there's a guy who's really cool and has a lot

485
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 1: of sex and fights and always wins, and that awesome

486
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 1: guy is me. It's literally the movie, that's all it is.

487
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 1: It's like, if you feel like an Edward Norton, don't worry, dog,

488
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: you are a funck machine. Oh gosh, well, let's let's

489
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 1: talk about the romantic relationship. I'd like to start there

490
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 1: because that's pretty much the only context with which Marla

491
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 1: Singer exists in this story. Because we have pretty much

492
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 1: exactly one female character in the movie. Her name is

493
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 1: Marla Singer. There's a woman named Chloe, and we can

494
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 1: touch on her, but she gets maybe thirty seconds of

495
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 1: screen time. Not that. More like, it's much more than that.

496
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 1: This movie hates women in a way that I never like.

497
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 1: With each subsequent viewing, I recognize something like this movie

498
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: has absolute contempt for women and all things vaguely feminine. Yes,

499
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 1: So if we're looking at Flight Club sort of as

500
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 1: like a love story, uh, which it is, because I

501
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: mean the movie opens with the narrator saying, like, because

502
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: we see all the imagery of like Brad Pitts has

503
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 1: a gun in Edward Norton's mouth, and we're like, oh, felic,

504
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: We're like yes, and they're talking about all the bombs

505
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 1: and stuff, and that voiceover narration says, like, all this

506
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: is happening right now because of a women named Marla Singer.

507
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: She ruined everything. And then the middle of the movie

508
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 1: is this pretty much ongoing sexual relationship between her and

509
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: Tyler Dirt in which is Jack the narrator Imagine if

510
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: you were like just having sex with Edward Norton, what

511
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 1: a bummer. And the the end, like I said, is

512
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 1: like them holding hands, They're looking at each other kind

513
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 1: of googly eyed, and like the music swells and we're like, oh,

514
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 1: what a moment they're having. But this just like feels

515
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 1: like the type of romance that Hollywood thinks appeals to men,

516
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 1: or that should appeal to men, because this is a

517
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: relationship where like Jack has all of the power over

518
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: the woman, he is constantly miss treating her, and she

519
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: keeps coming back despite all that. And then we're meant

520
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: to believe that the one of the reasons that she

521
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:08,800
Speaker 1: does come back is that he is just so good

522
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,280
Speaker 1: at fucking, Like he focks her brains out and it's

523
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 1: amazing she's putting up Edward Norton. I mean, you know,

524
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 1: and as someone who has returned to Dick that it

525
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 1: was not admirable like you're like Edward Norton, Okay, Like,

526
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 1: but a movie like this like sends a message to like,

527
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 1: you know, the teenage boys that I was trying to

528
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:36,879
Speaker 1: date in high school that are like, oh, you can

529
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 1: like treat women like shit and like they'll just come

530
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 1: back to you if you have a dick, and to

531
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: young women. I think that the implication of this movie

532
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 1: is like men are more complicated than they appear, which

533
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 1: I have not found to be true. Like there's a

534
00:34:55,400 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 1: whole another person in there that's it's not true. It's

535
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 1: usually just the one. Yeah. The context in which they

536
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 1: meant to just kind of weird because it wasn't like

537
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 1: a common interest so much as like how do you

538
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 1: have as many problems that I have? Um? And then

539
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 1: just like meeting up in like a very commiserative kind

540
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: of like way. It's like super romantic. Um, when somebody

541
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 1: sees you miserable, that's really hot, right, and then like

542
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,839
Speaker 1: negotiates with her so that he never has to see

543
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:30,479
Speaker 1: her again. But at the end there in Love their

544
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,879
Speaker 1: meeting is really is really interesting because like the way

545
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: the movie introduces her, because this movie is so voice

546
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 1: over heavy and David Fincher apparently I was God. The

547
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,839
Speaker 1: more I read about this person, the more I just

548
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 1: wanna just I don't know what. I just thought of

549
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 1: five horrible things and I won't say anything. But he

550
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 1: made a movie that was like, no, Mark Zuckerberg is cool,

551
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: Like he's horrible. He's the worst. Mark Zuckerberg is, above

552
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 1: all things not not cool. He's also waging wars in

553
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: foreign countries, but above all he is not cool. But

554
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 1: David Fincher said he fired a producer who said that

555
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 1: the voiceover sounded stupid, who may have been the smartest

556
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: person working on the movie. Yes, but the way, anyways,

557
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 1: the way we meet Marla, like, immediately she is framed

558
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: as kind of like a fem Fay Tall kind of character,

559
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 1: where she's taking a dragon a cigarette, she's wearing the

560
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 1: tilted hat. She's like framed as like the dirtiest, grimiest

561
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 1: possible version of a fem Fay Tall and the yeah,

562
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 1: the voiceover literally says she ruined everything. She's a parasite,

563
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,320
Speaker 1: and then explains, I mean in a more like clear

564
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:48,800
Speaker 1: way than I remembered that the reason that Jack doesn't

565
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: like her is because she reminds him of himself, which

566
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 1: is an interesting theme and could I think speak to

567
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: how some toxic relationships work, But the movie doesn't do

568
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 1: that at all. It then just spends the rest of

569
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: the their story distracting you from what Marla is going

570
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 1: through by you not knowing what's going on, and then

571
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 1: a second viewing, it's more just like showing what the

572
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 1: magic trick is and like, oh, I guess she really

573
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 1: would be confused and hurt here, Oh well, right, which

574
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 1: I want to go over the like story beats of

575
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 1: the movie from Marla's point of view, because she is

576
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 1: in an emotionally abusive relationship with Edward Nor honestly so,

577
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: she even brad Pitt. She meets a guy who is

578
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 1: like very contemptuous of her, and then she calls him

579
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 1: because she's in the middle of what may or may

580
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: not be a suicide attempt. Hard to really tell because

581
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 1: the movie does not handle suicidality or a mental illness.

582
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 1: Well no, it makes it seem like a bid at

583
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: attention and wanting to see someone again, which is like

584
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: we don't even need to say it's sucked up, but

585
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 1: it's sucked up. And then apparently he like takes her

586
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 1: and brings her back to his dilapidated house and then

587
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 1: like fox her better than she's ever been had sex

588
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 1: with before. Uh, I don't know why I said it

589
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: like that, but um. And then the following morning he

590
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,240
Speaker 1: acts as if he has no memory of them having

591
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,399
Speaker 1: sex or hanging out or anything like that. And then

592
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 1: he's like, what are you doing in my house? And

593
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 1: she's like what fuck you? Then and then like leaves

594
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: because at this point he does not know that he's

595
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,919
Speaker 1: Tyler during and it takes two hours to figure it out.

596
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 1: And then this pattern repeats itself for again what we

597
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: can assume to be months. And then she shows up

598
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 1: at one point towards the end and he tells her

599
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 1: to her face, Tyler is not here. That would be

600
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: like if I came to your house, Jamie and I

601
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 1: was like hey Jamie, and then you were like, Jamie's

602
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:09,359
Speaker 1: not here. That's like dating Edward Norton and being like

603
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 1: Edward Norton here right now, and you'll be like you,

604
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:16,839
Speaker 1: I guess I'm not dating Edward Norton anymore. Also, he's

605
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 1: like holding like a handle of liquor when he's saying that, Like,

606
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: why wouldn't you just assume he's drunk? Yeah, I mean,

607
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 1: it's like nothing about their relationship, and I think that

608
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 1: that kind of speaks to like some of the like

609
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 1: counting on the audience to be paying more attention to

610
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 1: the magic trick than the characterization, because it does seem

611
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: like if Marlow were written realistically, that she would catch

612
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 1: on sooner. But the way women are written in this

613
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 1: movie are as complete idiot, incompetent consumers, which is expressed

614
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 1: through the like I'm selling rich women's fat asses back

615
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: to them when Tyler starts making the soap and selling

616
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 1: it like there's no female character that is made to

617
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:58,320
Speaker 1: seem anything less than completely oblivious, and that includes the

618
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 1: Chloe character as well. It's just yeah, I mean, the

619
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: whole setup of the movie, the fact that we're going

620
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 1: in and out of his mental illness and from his

621
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: point of view, makes it such that she can never

622
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 1: be an expert, She can never know anything. He will

623
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 1: constantly be both the expert and the person discovering themselves

624
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 1: throughout the journey, so she can have no input whatsoever

625
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 1: because we're just seeing what's going on in his set,

626
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 1: So like, it's set up so that she has no

627
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 1: input or any impact whatsoever what's going on with totally. Yeah,

628
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:23,839
Speaker 1: she would have discovered in months. I mean, like, would

629
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 1: you not figure out that the person you're with is

630
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 1: dressing like you know, at least something wasn't right, you know.

631
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: It's like it seems like they were spending I mean,

632
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: I guess I don't know how much time they were

633
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 1: spending together, but she seems invested in the relationship, and

634
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 1: so I don't I mean, I don't know. She's also

635
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 1: not a real person, So I was like, I don't

636
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 1: want to hurt her, feeling like she's she's fake. Well,

637
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 1: there is a theory something you know when you go

638
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 1: onto Jack Dirton dot com and two hours reading about

639
00:40:53,160 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: a fan theory about it presented some compelling arguments that

640
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 1: both that Jack Dirton dot com Yeah, that both Bob

641
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 1: and Marla, like the Tyler Dirton character, are figments of

642
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 1: Jack's imagination, which I'd buy that it feels there's a

643
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 1: lot of clues. I'm not gonna, you know, go conspiracy

644
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 1: theorists on anyone, but so she might not even be real.

645
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 1: But I think that's not really helpful for us to

646
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 1: talk about because the movie at least presents her as

647
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: being real. So yeah, and then the rest of their

648
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 1: relationship is they meet up somewhere and he's like, oh,

649
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 1: the full extent of our relationship and not been clear

650
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 1: to me until now. Sorry, I haven't been treating you

651
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,839
Speaker 1: so well. And then in his apology he says, give

652
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 1: me fifteen seconds and shut your mouth and don't move.

653
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:54,240
Speaker 1: So that's really nice hot and then she's brought back

654
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 1: at the very end against her will. And then he's like,

655
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 1: you caught me like a really strange time in my life.

656
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 1: And she's like, hold on hand. And then she's like,

657
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:09,959
Speaker 1: better hold hands with him, maybe like hold his jaw.

658
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 1: That's what he means. Yeah, he needs medical attention. Tyler. Yeah,

659
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 1: so yeah, I mean the movie like skips over all

660
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 1: the complexities of a woman staying in a relationship with

661
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: an emotionally abusive partner, like glasses over all of that,

662
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 1: and it, Yeah, it does make her out to just

663
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 1: seem like a crazy, desperate idiot, which is how Tyler

664
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 1: views her at least, and sort of Elusa several times.

665
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,280
Speaker 1: But the movie does nothing to challenge that, which means

666
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 1: it's a poor adaptation of us attire if it presents

667
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 1: a stupid idea with no like it's just oh God,

668
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 1: David Fincher, You fucking idiot. I can't stand damn there. Okay,

669
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 1: some things David Fincher has said. Sorry, literally, David Fincher

670
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 1: has quote, I think a film set is a fascist dictatorship.

671
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 1: Uh So, if you want any ideas on how David

672
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 1: Fincher feels about fascism besides the fact that he made

673
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 1: a movie about how Mark Zuckerberg is cool, that direct

674
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: quote might be helpful that I mean, maybe his film

675
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 1: stand sort of fascist dictatorship. It sounds like they are

676
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 1: because he's like the director that does a shot like

677
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: he's like, I'm an a tour, which just means I'm

678
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 1: emotionally abusive to people around me. Um, but he like

679
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 1: makes everyone do the same shot like nine thousand times

680
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:38,359
Speaker 1: and then like, I don't know, he's a he's an

681
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 1: icky guy. Hey, Jamie, what do you say we take

682
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:46,359
Speaker 1: a real quick break and then we'll come back for more.

683
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 1: Sounds good to me, right, Marla. I don't know how

684
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,800
Speaker 1: much validity this has, but I did right in my

685
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 1: eltes that she's a manic pixie nightmare girl. Oh We've

686
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 1: got okay if people like it, good, um, because she's

687
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 1: like doing all this stuff for she like walks into

688
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 1: traffic and just like stands in the middle of the road.

689
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 1: She's like stealing other people's clothes from a laundromat and

690
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 1: then taking them immediately to a thrift shop to sell them,

691
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 1: like Zoe Decanelle didn't mess exactly. There's her famous line

692
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 1: of like, I haven't been funked like that since grade school.

693
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I haven't been head sexed with like that

694
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 1: since grade school, which is which is unfortunately kind of

695
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 1: like a subtext that is used in stories a lot

696
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: to like imply that, like this woman is damaged because

697
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 1: she was sexually abused as a child, Like it's a

698
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 1: real classy yeah for a character you're not even intending

699
00:44:56,920 --> 00:45:00,439
Speaker 1: to write. And then in Maggie Mayfish's videos say about

700
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 1: this movie, she also points out that the way that

701
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 1: she's framed by the camera is that the camera is

702
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 1: often above her, and like cinematic language dictates that we

703
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 1: are like literally and figuratively looking down on her, like

704
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 1: it's a way to convey that she has no power.

705
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 1: And then conversely, like Tyler Dirton is often shot with

706
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 1: like an upshot, so he's made to seem like powerful

707
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: and empowered and all of that, so really an abs

708
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 1: based culture. And then just like the way that the

709
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: men talk about Marla, Jack says at one point, I'm

710
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 1: gonna grab that little bit Marla singer and scream at her.

711
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 1: See his fantasy where he does, which is yeah. And

712
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 1: then a little later on, Tyler says, you flucked her, right,

713
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: and then he's like, she's limber a silly cuz, which

714
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:52,760
Speaker 1: I had to look up with that ment it basically

715
00:45:54,320 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 1: that's a couzy. It's a diminutive, yeah, because yeah, it's

716
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 1: basically like a slut um. And then he says something like, oh,

717
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 1: she's in love with the sport fucking yeah. So it's

718
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:15,879
Speaker 1: just constantly like Tyler's talking about her as though she's

719
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 1: an object. Jack is talking about her as though she's

720
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 1: a parasite. She's repulsive, yeah, I mean. And then and

721
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 1: then there's that one scene between Jack and Marla that

722
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 1: seems to be their whole relationship and sort of like

723
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 1: as close as you can get to the movie statement

724
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 1: on who she has, where there's that question of what

725
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:35,280
Speaker 1: does a weaker person get by latching onto a stronger person,

726
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 1: When like Jack asks Marla that directly, and she responds

727
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 1: as if that is just true and that's how their

728
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 1: relationship is, and she accepts the fact that she's the

729
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 1: weaker person and he's the stronger person. And even though

730
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 1: at this point in the movie we don't know that

731
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 1: they're the same person. Uh sorry spoilers that, you know,

732
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 1: she just passively accepts that she's the weaker person in

733
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 1: the relationship, which is how that argument would go for

734
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 1: no one I can think of if like, so you're

735
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 1: like fully the sub right, so like why am I

736
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:12,320
Speaker 1: so amazing? Like who would have who would have that?

737
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:15,840
Speaker 1: Or like it's just totally irrational even in the world

738
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 1: of the movie that that conversation could happen so directly,

739
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 1: but she's written in such a like one dimensional way

740
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:29,720
Speaker 1: where she can't respond. And also, like gender essential ism

741
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 1: is like at full blast in this movie, where women

742
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 1: are women in the most traditional possible sense, where they're

743
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 1: you know, like when we were talking about with a

744
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 1: lot of things about Marlo's character, where she's you know,

745
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 1: she's emotionally dependent on him. She kind of go on

746
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: with without him, and she needs the strength of a

747
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:49,800
Speaker 1: man to go on, like and on the other side,

748
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 1: I mean this movie is more famous for being like

749
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 1: male gender essential is um of tough boy fight Uh no, homo,

750
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 1: but we're almost kissing kind of vibe. And like, given

751
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 1: this movie's attitude towards men, the way Marla and Chloe

752
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 1: are written, like kind of line up with that like

753
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 1: essentialist view. But you know it's wrong and this movie

754
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 1: is wrong. But everything. Yeah, like satire is like really

755
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 1: dangerous if it's not taking seriously, Like you know, like

756
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 1: Rachel Ray was definitely satire and then they gave her

757
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 1: a talk show. Um. But I mean like if if

758
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 1: people are the majority of people consuming it are interpreting

759
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: it in the wrong way, then obviously it's that negative.

760
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 1: Like it's not it's not helping, it's only hurting, and

761
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 1: that at that point you're doing a disservice to society

762
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:39,800
Speaker 1: and like generations to come. Because I think it's still popular.

763
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 1: I still see those posters. But yeah, I really hope

764
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:44,800
Speaker 1: people still don't watch this movie, but I think they do.

765
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 1: It's I if you're a youth out there and you're

766
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 1: considering watching Fight Club, try not to, like, just don't

767
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 1: watch it. I don't believe in encouraging young people to

768
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 1: watch problematic movies as a study. I'm just like, just

769
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 1: forget it. Ever happened, it would we would all be

770
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 1: better off. And unfortunately, there's not that much to talk

771
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 1: about about Marla otherwise, because that's really all you know

772
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 1: about her is how she exists in relation to either

773
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 1: Tyler or Jack, especially because she like disappears for large

774
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 1: chunks of the movie and like it's not on screen

775
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 1: for like twenty minutes at a time kind of thing. Um.

776
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 1: But going back to you know, the satire and the

777
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 1: message that the movie is attempting to send, which is

778
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 1: that you know, consumerism is bad. Stuff is bad, which

779
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 1: is like true, but the answer to consumerism isn't fascism,

780
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 1: like right, it seems like really shooting a band aid,

781
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 1: especially because like I mean, you can kind of boil

782
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:56,919
Speaker 1: down a story into the Jack narrator character being so

783
00:49:57,080 --> 00:50:01,839
Speaker 1: upset that he's bought into consumers culture, and part of

784
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 1: that is like him feeling emasculated. He's like, I buy

785
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 1: Ikea and I know what a duvet is, so I'm

786
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 1: feminine and that's horrible. I'm gonna pull up everything I own.

787
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 1: So it's basically equating. Well, first of all, it's like well,

788
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 1: women be shopping, um, and it's equating like consumerism with

789
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 1: like femininity, right, and how that's horror. Anything feminine is

790
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:32,360
Speaker 1: is bad. That's the most confusing. Like equalization this movie

791
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 1: does is like consumers equal women equals bad and then

792
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 1: just like uses the transitive property like, oh, women equal bad.

793
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 1: Sick like the because everything Tyler says about consumerism is

794
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 1: made to sound super feminist, like the way he's saying

795
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: like in that conversation where Tyler is about to be

796
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:57,320
Speaker 1: like I'm hot, punch me, you know, like his whole

797
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 1: selling jack on on the idea of like stuff is bullshit.

798
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 1: Is he's like condemning the idea of homemaking or nesting.

799
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:12,840
Speaker 1: He uses that word specifically, which is like associated with women,

800
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 1: especially like in the nineties. And then like part of

801
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 1: the reason I think this movie was able to come

802
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:20,360
Speaker 1: out because two years after this movie came out, it

803
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 1: couldn't come out. You couldn't make a movie about domestic

804
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:26,840
Speaker 1: terrorism in two thousand and one. I wonder why because

805
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 1: of Shrek, because of the big event of two thousand one.

806
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 1: So because Shrek's on the horizon, Uh, everything Tyler is

807
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 1: saying is like consumerism is making you a girl. And

808
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:49,840
Speaker 1: so the way to not be a consumer is to

809
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:54,360
Speaker 1: be a boy, which is what and like that's literally

810
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 1: what he's saying. He's like, fuck mart the Steward, punch

811
00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 1: me in the mouth, that kill your friends. Like, wait,

812
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 1: doesn't just say funk Martha Stewart. He says funk Martha Stewart.

813
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 1: Martha's polishing brass on the Titanic Titan. Okay, anyway, but yeah,

814
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 1: it's like, don't be a girl who shops, be a

815
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:22,799
Speaker 1: man who fights other men, and you're like punched into

816
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 1: a bloody pulp, which is like one of the more

817
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 1: frustrating messages of this movie because if it was just

818
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 1: like no one should be a consumer, I still wouldn't

819
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 1: be Like, okay, so we should engage in domestic terrorism,

820
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:41,280
Speaker 1: but like adding that middle step of like because consumerism exists,

821
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 1: like it just totally blames consumerism on women, who, in

822
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 1: the ninety nineties are the primary like products are pushed

823
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:54,359
Speaker 1: more at women because women are the primary consumers of

824
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 1: beauty products and fashion products and home products because of

825
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:00,720
Speaker 1: the way society's works since forever. And that's not but

826
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 1: but there's no accountability in like Tyler's creative, Like yeah,

827
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 1: and there's these billionaires that are like making it impossible

828
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:12,840
Speaker 1: to be a woman who exists without these products. Like

829
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 1: that is never addressed. It's just like, yeah, they buy it.

830
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 1: They're fucking idiots. Let's make soap and like it's just

831
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 1: it's for like it totally blames American consumerism on women,

832
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 1: where even if women are a large amount of American

833
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 1: consumers and they are, part of that reason is because

834
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:35,280
Speaker 1: of how society is set up, where you know, women

835
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 1: have to in theory, engage in consumerism more to be

836
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,839
Speaker 1: considered legitimate. Right, Obviously, it's men in power who are

837
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 1: making upstream or making decisions that are causing the women

838
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 1: downs to consume more to begin with, because we're not

839
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 1: the ones making all those decisions. We're not trying to

840
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 1: spend more money. We just want buy It's all right,

841
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 1: I just want a job, some respect. Just still frowned on.

842
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:04,279
Speaker 1: And along that same line is like the movie's obsession

843
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 1: with testicles, Dick's buildos, breasts. Yeah, it's like he's all

844
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 1: of these Caitlin, don't say those words. Everyone's peeps and nuts. Sex.

845
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 1: Don't say that, definitely don't. But there's all this talk

846
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 1: of Bob not having testicles because they had to be

847
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 1: removed because of his testicular cancer. Uh, and he's all like,

848
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 1: I'm still a man, right and h then he grows

849
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 1: what are described as bitch tits? Can we talk about Bob?

850
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 1: Because I first, what about Bob? What about? Sorry? I

851
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 1: just first of all, I love Bad out of Hell

852
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:56,279
Speaker 1: and Bad out of Hell too, and I love meat

853
00:54:56,360 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 1: Love and I think thank you me Love. Okay, meet

854
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 1: Love kills it in this movie, funk. Everyone who disagrees

855
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:09,880
Speaker 1: Meet Love absolutely destroys. Meat Loaf is interesting and cool.

856
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 1: Meat Loaf was there when jf K was assassinated, but

857
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:16,839
Speaker 1: he was like ten But that's just a fun fact

858
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:21,799
Speaker 1: about him. He didn't do it, but what if he did?

859
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 1: New theory? Anyways, meat Loaf is good in this movie.

860
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 1: Just had to say that because I really, I'm just like,

861
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:33,880
Speaker 1: why didn't me Love get more roles? Answer? According to

862
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 1: every theory read, because he's mean and difficult to work with.

863
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:42,320
Speaker 1: So anyways, Meet Love does a good job in spite

864
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 1: of his personal you know, shortcomings. Uh. But the Bob

865
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 1: character in general is so frustrating because he is the

866
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:57,799
Speaker 1: only man in this entire story who is capable of emotion,

867
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:00,120
Speaker 1: or like the only character we get to know was

868
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 1: capable of emotion, who's capable of empathy, who's capable of

869
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 1: building like non sexual relationships with other men, like just

870
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 1: he's able to do a lot like he's by today's standard,

871
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 1: I'd like to think, like a better feminist icon, Bob,

872
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 1: where's that shirt? Where I it's And it's like, and

873
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 1: I even when I saw this maybe the first time,

874
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, Bob fucking rules. But what I was

875
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:35,319
Speaker 1: probably saying was I love Bad out of Hell and

876
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 1: I love Melo. But his character is the only man

877
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:42,840
Speaker 1: we get to know in this story capable of emotion

878
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 1: and empathy, And it is made out at every turn

879
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 1: to look ridiculous, to look emasculating, to look embarrassing. That

880
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 1: a man capable of empathy is not a man. Is

881
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:57,279
Speaker 1: the message to the point where like you're saying, like

882
00:56:57,320 --> 00:57:03,319
Speaker 1: he's given like essentially female breasts, and he his testicles

883
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 1: are are taken away from him by the story, and

884
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 1: it's just meant to, you know, it's clearly saying a

885
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:13,760
Speaker 1: man who can empathize with other people is a woman,

886
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 1: is not a man, And women, as we know from

887
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 1: the transitive property are bad and so what happens to Bob,

888
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 1: which I don't think we we hit on in in

889
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 1: the recap is Bob is radicalized by Tyler dirtan uh

890
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 1: and he comes meat Love is really acting the hell

891
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 1: out of this scene. He goes up to Edward Norton,

892
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 1: He's like, have you heard about this club? And he's like,

893
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 1: there's a couple of rules. But the first rule is

894
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 1: I can't say anything, and we're like, oh, meat Love,

895
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:48,919
Speaker 1: you're great and that he so anyways, meat Love joins

896
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 1: fight Club and we're like no, and and then meat

897
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 1: Love joints Project Mayhem, which also requires I mean, it's

898
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 1: it's extremely ficious dick where they're like the rules for

899
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 1: Project Mayhem if you can pass muster and getting the

900
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 1: ship kicked out of you by strangers every week is

901
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 1: you get to stand outside Tyler Dirton's ship whole house

902
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 1: for three days while being called a number of epithets,

903
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 1: and then you can go inside his ship whole house

904
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 1: and work for free. But first you have to become

905
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 1: a skinhead. You have to shave off all your Oh

906
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 1: yeah that like, yeah, the fashion imagery is strong and

907
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:31,919
Speaker 1: like yeah, you're stripped of your identity and you lose

908
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 1: your name. So so Bob enters Project Mayhem and then

909
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 1: one of the Project Mayhem outings and this is the

910
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 1: most frustrating, ridiculous death I've ever heard, and the movie

911
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 1: makes you think it is so fucking cool and righteous.

912
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 1: Is Bob is smashing in the window of a Starbucks

913
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 1: and is shot to death. And they killed the only

914
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 1: man capable of empathy. And then Tyler Dirton brings him

915
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:01,439
Speaker 1: back to the ship whole house and is like this

916
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 1: was worth it, and everyone's like, uh huh. And then

917
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 1: they finally give Bob his name back, and I just

918
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:11,360
Speaker 1: wish that they had chanted his name was meat Low.

919
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 1: I think that would have been a power. But that

920
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 1: was just horrible. Yeah, but I wasn't even just like

921
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:20,200
Speaker 1: the only one capable of empathy so much is the

922
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 1: only one that really showed any genuine emotion, Like when

923
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:25,480
Speaker 1: he was sad before, he was like jubilant when he joined,

924
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 1: he was super excited about it. None of the other

925
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 1: members of Mayhem, including Tyler, including Edward Norton, actually really

926
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 1: showed any kind of excitement or disappointment. Anger is like

927
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 1: the only other thing. But he adn't showed any even

928
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:41,080
Speaker 1: Marlin didn't really show much right the frustration like bouncing off,

929
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 1: but like he was the only one who had who

930
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 1: was a dynamic character, and that's I guess he was

931
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 1: kind of a gro straight man, who's the person we

932
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 1: were supposed to like, so that when he died it

933
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 1: was and there's and there's a few moments where at

934
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 1: least Edward Norton's side of the character shows some if

935
00:59:57,240 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 1: not like not empathy, but some sort of attack matchment

936
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 1: to Bob, because you remember the scene where Bob standing

937
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:04,840
Speaker 1: outside and time I was like, fuck you get out

938
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 1: of here, but then Edward Norton goes after him, is like, no,

939
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 1: join my club and and effectively killing meat Loaf just

940
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 1: like meat Loaf saw JFK get killed. So really a

941
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 1: full circle. Thank you so much. I can't believe meet

942
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 1: Love saw JFK get killed. That's so interesting. Yeah, that's

943
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:29,440
Speaker 1: that's why r I P JFK. I mean, I say

944
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 1: it in every episode, but now more than one. Last

945
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:36,920
Speaker 1: thing I want to touch on regarding the movies, like

946
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:41,760
Speaker 1: fixation on like oh, if you have testicles, you're a man.

947
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 1: If you have breast you're a woman like that, that's

948
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:49,200
Speaker 1: just like a very STIs normative stands to take. And

949
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 1: of course the movie wasn't thinking anything about that. Besides

950
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 1: just like, oh, how dare men ever be emasculated in

951
01:00:56,360 --> 01:01:00,439
Speaker 1: any way? It's horrible if that happened. It's so oh yeah,

952
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:04,200
Speaker 1: it's so essentialist, and it's so yeah, disregarding of anything

953
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:09,200
Speaker 1: outside of his head norms. And and it's again bizarre

954
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:12,320
Speaker 1: and frustrating because it is a story that was written

955
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:15,000
Speaker 1: by a queer author who deals with a lot of

956
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 1: queer topics and deals with trans characters like later in

957
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:22,800
Speaker 1: in his books. And so it's just like, I don't know,

958
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:26,960
Speaker 1: this book is just is so repressed. It is. It

959
01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 1: is repression for for two hours. It's so long too,

960
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 1: it's like two hours and twenty minutes. Dare they I

961
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:39,480
Speaker 1: just the movie allowed to be that long or longer?

962
01:01:39,560 --> 01:01:43,720
Speaker 1: Is of course Titanic um? I mean? And I'd say

963
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:45,960
Speaker 1: even about the a lot of the testicles to it.

964
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:48,320
Speaker 1: They didn't just use it to defend the men's masculinity.

965
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:50,800
Speaker 1: They also use it. They had Marlo very explicitly state

966
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:53,360
Speaker 1: that she does not own testicles. It's just like another

967
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 1: like looking down pointing out the fact she's not like

968
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:57,160
Speaker 1: because she doesn't of this and she's hanging out these

969
01:01:57,160 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 1: people who don't have this, and that's why they don't

970
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:01,320
Speaker 1: deserve it. Yeah, I mean, it's I think we assumed that, like,

971
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:03,760
Speaker 1: we assumed that she didn't. But the line was even

972
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 1: that funny. It was a hack line. I love uh,

973
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:11,640
Speaker 1: but it is true that that the the normativity of

974
01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:14,520
Speaker 1: I mean, and even in the way you see the

975
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:19,120
Speaker 1: room full of men who, with the exception of Marla

976
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:23,440
Speaker 1: and Jack, don't have their testicles anymore, they are suddenly

977
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:28,600
Speaker 1: reduced to these comically emotional sobbing rex and the subtext

978
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:31,400
Speaker 1: of that is because they don't have testicles anymore. And

979
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:34,240
Speaker 1: the one man we see speaking group says his wife

980
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:37,200
Speaker 1: left him because he didn't have his wife. It didn't

981
01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:41,240
Speaker 1: left him because he wasn't able to give her children,

982
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:45,920
Speaker 1: which both implies one women are bad and also implies

983
01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:49,560
Speaker 1: that relationship can only be one exact way or it

984
01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 1: will never work. And so you know, Fuck, here's a

985
01:02:56,040 --> 01:02:59,840
Speaker 1: fun line that gets said in the movie. Um it's Tyler.

986
01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:04,400
Speaker 1: He's in a bathtub. He says, we're a generation of

987
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:08,080
Speaker 1: men raised by women. I wonder if another woman is

988
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:11,200
Speaker 1: really what we need, because they're talking about whether or

989
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:15,160
Speaker 1: not they should get married. Basically that whether well oh yeah,

990
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:18,080
Speaker 1: because that's the same scene where Edward Norton's like, I'm thirty.

991
01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:22,840
Speaker 1: I can't handle nothing. I'm a thirty year old boy.

992
01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:29,840
Speaker 1: Bo grow up it you live in a ship hole.

993
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:31,640
Speaker 1: I want to yell that at every thirty year old minute.

994
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:37,640
Speaker 1: And then also, um, there are various references to the

995
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:41,840
Speaker 1: Jack character feeling alone because his father abandoned him when

996
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:43,520
Speaker 1: he was a kid, which kind of suggest it's like

997
01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:46,240
Speaker 1: the movie suggesting that a lack of a male presence

998
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:49,360
Speaker 1: or a father figure in his life might be responsible

999
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:53,200
Speaker 1: for like whatever mental illness break that's happening to you

1000
01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:54,840
Speaker 1: up without a dad, and then later on you want

1001
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:59,120
Speaker 1: to make up for all that lost fighting times, for

1002
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:04,600
Speaker 1: fighting wherever you get it is that you a Chad

1003
01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:09,360
Speaker 1: Tyler is just hoping he'll accidentally hit his dad. That's

1004
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:13,480
Speaker 1: like very much a palaic message, where in everything written

1005
01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:16,240
Speaker 1: about his book, he's like, well, there's not enough good

1006
01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:21,200
Speaker 1: male heroes for men, and like you're just like, that's

1007
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:27,440
Speaker 1: the hill you're choosing to die on. Read the room, dummy,

1008
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:33,280
Speaker 1: But um, yeah, I wanted to touch really quickly on

1009
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:36,880
Speaker 1: the time period where this movie is coming out, because

1010
01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:40,000
Speaker 1: the book was released in nineties six, the movie is

1011
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:44,120
Speaker 1: released in ninety nine, so it's all like second Clinton administration,

1012
01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:48,360
Speaker 1: which does explain a lot of the hatred of the

1013
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:51,440
Speaker 1: consumerism because this is like when the when the economy

1014
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:54,760
Speaker 1: is doing relatively well, and so anytime people have a

1015
01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:57,520
Speaker 1: little bit of money, you know, they're like, hey, wait,

1016
01:04:57,600 --> 01:05:01,120
Speaker 1: who has my money? And they get angry fair. Uh

1017
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:07,360
Speaker 1: consumerism sucks. That said, I do enjoy products, so confusing,

1018
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:11,760
Speaker 1: but uh, but the way it connects to women, and

1019
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:14,440
Speaker 1: I was trying to do some research connecting you know,

1020
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:18,040
Speaker 1: like why does this book and then the movie make

1021
01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:23,960
Speaker 1: such an unapologetic women equal consumers equals bad like equivocation,

1022
01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:27,320
Speaker 1: And I mean, if you think about there's so many

1023
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:31,880
Speaker 1: villainized women in the nineties, and there's also a lot

1024
01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:34,200
Speaker 1: of feminism that comes up in the nineties, so there's

1025
01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:36,000
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff that's going on at once that

1026
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:39,800
Speaker 1: made men angry at women. So on one side, in

1027
01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:44,320
Speaker 1: n you have the Violence Against Women act Um, which

1028
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:47,520
Speaker 1: did a lot of net good in theory for American women.

1029
01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:51,200
Speaker 1: Ruth Bader Ginsberg is put on the Supreme Court. There

1030
01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:55,240
Speaker 1: are a number of good things that happened for American

1031
01:05:55,280 --> 01:06:00,560
Speaker 1: women around this time. However, a lot of the main

1032
01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:05,640
Speaker 1: nineties American women that are remembered are remembered as villains

1033
01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:09,680
Speaker 1: of the moment. And that's like you're Monica Lewinski's and

1034
01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:13,120
Speaker 1: you're Anita Hills, and your Tanya Hardings and your Hillary

1035
01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:18,320
Speaker 1: Clinton's at times of different women who were villainized for

1036
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:22,560
Speaker 1: being to something or other, and then the general public

1037
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:26,320
Speaker 1: and like literally everyone would just kind of run with

1038
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:30,120
Speaker 1: the narrative of like their fucking things up, and feminism

1039
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:34,640
Speaker 1: have empowered these figures too much and now they're wrecking society.

1040
01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:38,040
Speaker 1: And so that's as close as I've gotten to, uh,

1041
01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:41,160
Speaker 1: why it is so easy and why people were so

1042
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:45,440
Speaker 1: responsive at this specific time to like, oh, yeah, it

1043
01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:48,880
Speaker 1: makes sense that women are ruining everything and that the

1044
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:53,080
Speaker 1: answer is to be is like old school michiesemo and

1045
01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:57,959
Speaker 1: and and killing meat loaf, God, killing meat. Love's never

1046
01:06:58,080 --> 01:07:03,480
Speaker 1: the answer. I don't think I agree, Thank you. Can

1047
01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:05,840
Speaker 1: we touch a little bit on the portrayal of mental

1048
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:08,760
Speaker 1: illness in this movie, Yeah, let's do it. Someone just

1049
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:16,919
Speaker 1: inhaled deeply. M I mean, the Jack character has some

1050
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:21,480
Speaker 1: unidentified well, he has insomnia, and he's like, when you

1051
01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:24,720
Speaker 1: have insomnia, you're never really awake and you're never really asleep.

1052
01:07:25,680 --> 01:07:30,160
Speaker 1: As someone who has insomnia, I can attest that that

1053
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:34,280
Speaker 1: is not true. Um, so that that's wrong first of all,

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01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:39,360
Speaker 1: and then he has some other unidentified mental illness where

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01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:42,520
Speaker 1: he is, you know, he has an alternate personality, right, So,

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01:07:43,040 --> 01:07:45,560
Speaker 1: I mean the movie doesn't handle anything about this well.

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01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:49,840
Speaker 1: And then as far as like Marlow with her suicide attempt,

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01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:54,560
Speaker 1: her quote about that is this isn't a real suicide thing.

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01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:57,120
Speaker 1: This is probably one of those cry for help things

1060
01:07:57,400 --> 01:08:02,000
Speaker 1: which just like completely minimizes it's suicidal. It's so cavalier,

1061
01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:05,200
Speaker 1: and it's supposed to make her seem like a manipulative

1062
01:08:05,840 --> 01:08:11,240
Speaker 1: woman and or the manic pistie nightmare Lady Maths. Dechanelle

1063
01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:14,160
Speaker 1: just took a bottle of hills. I don't know, I'm

1064
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:20,320
Speaker 1: crazy like that, like stop, yeah, I mean, it's the

1065
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:22,400
Speaker 1: mental illness is not treating one of the things I

1066
01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:29,360
Speaker 1: was retroactively grateful for just based on how mental illness

1067
01:08:29,479 --> 01:08:31,880
Speaker 1: is treated in in a lot of movies, is at

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01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:36,200
Speaker 1: the very very very least they don't name what the

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01:08:36,320 --> 01:08:38,000
Speaker 1: narrator is supposed to have. I think if they had

1070
01:08:38,160 --> 01:08:42,000
Speaker 1: named a specific mental disorder that Jack was supposed to have,

1071
01:08:42,120 --> 01:08:45,720
Speaker 1: which almost certainly would not have been portrayed remotely correctly,

1072
01:08:46,400 --> 01:08:49,920
Speaker 1: that would have been ten times worse than not naming it,

1073
01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:53,640
Speaker 1: because so often it's like anyone who's named bipolar in

1074
01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:58,000
Speaker 1: a movie is fucking over every functional bipolar person in

1075
01:08:58,040 --> 01:09:01,519
Speaker 1: the in the world. Or you get the case of

1076
01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:07,360
Speaker 1: Halloween where the killer is diagnosed by his psychiatrist as evil.

1077
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:14,120
Speaker 1: Is that knowledge diagnosis? I don't know. I haven't read

1078
01:09:14,120 --> 01:09:18,719
Speaker 1: the I mean, I think it's great that they didn't

1079
01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:20,479
Speaker 1: name a specific mental illness, and I'm sure that did

1080
01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:21,880
Speaker 1: a lot of good. But also I could have I

1081
01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:23,280
Speaker 1: don't know if that was the intention of so much

1082
01:09:23,320 --> 01:09:25,400
Speaker 1: as like now I can mix and match the coolest

1083
01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:29,320
Speaker 1: symptoms and then create the coolest ill person, Like insomnia

1084
01:09:29,400 --> 01:09:34,640
Speaker 1: is like a cool disease, right, thank you? Yeah, and

1085
01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:37,559
Speaker 1: like and becoming someone cool that sounds like a cool symptom.

1086
01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:39,760
Speaker 1: Like if the side effects were like you might have

1087
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:43,240
Speaker 1: trouble sleeping, but you'll be real cool. Yeah, you'll also

1088
01:09:43,320 --> 01:09:48,600
Speaker 1: be brad Pitt. You'll startup script yeah, you're right, this

1089
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:50,719
Speaker 1: could have done a lot of good for the mental

1090
01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:54,840
Speaker 1: mentally ill community. I know that that does make a

1091
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:56,679
Speaker 1: lot of sense. Though, yeah it is. It does seem

1092
01:09:56,720 --> 01:09:58,559
Speaker 1: to be like kind of copy pasting a lot of

1093
01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:03,960
Speaker 1: different symptoms to to make Brad Pitt possible. I don't know.

1094
01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:07,800
Speaker 1: I mean, this movie is about a group of men

1095
01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:10,800
Speaker 1: who clearly need therapy, and then they're like, what if

1096
01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:13,440
Speaker 1: we just punch the ship out of each other instead?

1097
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:19,320
Speaker 1: I mean, also, Edward Norton's character must have had good

1098
01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:22,240
Speaker 1: health insurance because he seemed getting fixed. So I'm like, well,

1099
01:10:22,280 --> 01:10:26,439
Speaker 1: you probably could see a therapist. But right his men,

1100
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:29,120
Speaker 1: it seems like at his job he's got which is

1101
01:10:29,160 --> 01:10:31,800
Speaker 1: another thing that is so nineties about this movie. I'm like,

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01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:34,240
Speaker 1: he can just go to the doctor, Like that was

1103
01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:36,800
Speaker 1: something I was thinking. I was like, I wish I

1104
01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:39,400
Speaker 1: could just get in a fight and go to a doctor,

1105
01:10:39,479 --> 01:10:43,200
Speaker 1: but unfortunately I must bleed to death. Like I can't

1106
01:10:43,200 --> 01:10:47,680
Speaker 1: go to a fucking doctor. Imagine do you think podcasters

1107
01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:52,880
Speaker 1: can see doctors? They can't. They can't. Is there anything

1108
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:55,560
Speaker 1: else that anyone wants to talk about? I think the

1109
01:10:55,680 --> 01:10:59,519
Speaker 1: name is Great Fight Club because it's two things it

1110
01:10:59,640 --> 01:11:04,680
Speaker 1: does of right violence and being exclusive about it, and

1111
01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:06,759
Speaker 1: you know immediately there's no girls in that fight club.

1112
01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:10,760
Speaker 1: We know that in the movies, Like there's a conversation

1113
01:11:10,840 --> 01:11:13,840
Speaker 1: with like Marla and Jack is like I found a

1114
01:11:13,880 --> 01:11:17,400
Speaker 1: new support group and she's like, what is it? He's like,

1115
01:11:17,439 --> 01:11:20,479
Speaker 1: it's for men only? Yeah? Yeah, And Marla runs with

1116
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:24,479
Speaker 1: Darla like from the Little Rascals and singer is a

1117
01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:29,880
Speaker 1: recognized name brand of sewing machines sexist. Oh wow, I'm

1118
01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:35,720
Speaker 1: not the only one tin hatting over here. Uh. The

1119
01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:40,320
Speaker 1: last thing I had in my too Many notes is

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01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:43,160
Speaker 1: just the the way that sex is treated in this

1121
01:11:43,240 --> 01:11:47,120
Speaker 1: movie is treated like it's both a weakness and a

1122
01:11:47,160 --> 01:11:52,840
Speaker 1: physical illness, where every ways sex is depicted is made

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01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:58,439
Speaker 1: to be extremely grotesque, and even in this extremely like

1124
01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:02,559
Speaker 1: rigidly had her enormat of movie that Yeah, I mean

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01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:06,599
Speaker 1: it's like sex with Marla is we're told and from

1126
01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:10,920
Speaker 1: what we see is supposed to be gross like it's

1127
01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:13,920
Speaker 1: and and paired with what you were saying earlier, if

1128
01:12:13,960 --> 01:12:16,600
Speaker 1: everyone is always like is my dick hard or my

1129
01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:21,200
Speaker 1: boobs falling off? Like everyone is physically decaying and and

1130
01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:22,920
Speaker 1: their teeth are you know, the men are having their

1131
01:12:22,920 --> 01:12:26,280
Speaker 1: teeth punched out and their bodies are being desecrated, and

1132
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:29,719
Speaker 1: every woman in the movie thinks they have breast cancer.

1133
01:12:30,160 --> 01:12:35,040
Speaker 1: And it's just like everything about the physical body and

1134
01:12:35,040 --> 01:12:39,440
Speaker 1: and sex is made to seem like this big disgusting

1135
01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:41,640
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe they got that right. I don't know.

1136
01:12:43,439 --> 01:12:46,680
Speaker 1: I mean, the only other named woman in the name

1137
01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:51,320
Speaker 1: female in the movie, she's dying of cancer. I think

1138
01:12:51,320 --> 01:12:54,920
Speaker 1: we are meant to assume. Basically, she says, um, I

1139
01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:57,840
Speaker 1: no longer have a fear of death, and everyone's like,

1140
01:12:57,880 --> 01:13:01,120
Speaker 1: that's great, and then she says, but I'm lonely. No

1141
01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:03,080
Speaker 1: one will have sex with me, and all I want

1142
01:13:03,120 --> 01:13:05,479
Speaker 1: to do is just get laid one last time. And

1143
01:13:05,479 --> 01:13:07,520
Speaker 1: then she does this whole thing where she's like frantically

1144
01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:09,920
Speaker 1: being like, I have lube. Does anyone here want to

1145
01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:11,960
Speaker 1: have sex with me? And it's made she's made it

1146
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:18,280
Speaker 1: just seem very pathetic, and that which brings me to

1147
01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:27,439
Speaker 1: my next play. I have lube. Uh No, I agree

1148
01:13:27,439 --> 01:13:31,920
Speaker 1: with what she has just done. A huge disservice by

1149
01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:34,880
Speaker 1: the movies. And then and then she dies, we find

1150
01:13:34,880 --> 01:13:39,280
Speaker 1: out Marla tells us super afterthought, Yeah, which is I mean,

1151
01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:43,519
Speaker 1: it's the way everything that character. I mean, yeah, like

1152
01:13:43,680 --> 01:13:48,280
Speaker 1: she's made to look like Marla physically repulsive, which is

1153
01:13:48,520 --> 01:13:51,720
Speaker 1: and which the characters that the movie chooses to make

1154
01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:55,280
Speaker 1: look physically repulsive to the narrator, because it always is

1155
01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:59,360
Speaker 1: in relation to Jack, Like Jack thinks Marla, Chloe and

1156
01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:03,760
Speaker 1: Bob are disgusting and those three. I mean it's the

1157
01:14:04,040 --> 01:14:08,800
Speaker 1: two women that we meet and the one man who

1158
01:14:09,080 --> 01:14:14,160
Speaker 1: has feminine traits. Um, so Edward Norton hates women. I mean,

1159
01:14:14,240 --> 01:14:19,160
Speaker 1: let's use the transit of property. Um. But yeah, Chloe's character,

1160
01:14:19,200 --> 01:14:22,760
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's unfortunate because she's again like one

1161
01:14:22,760 --> 01:14:27,120
Speaker 1: of the not completely nihilistic characters in the New and anyone,

1162
01:14:27,160 --> 01:14:30,000
Speaker 1: i mean, anyone who isn't subscribing to this like boring

1163
01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:36,720
Speaker 1: funck boy edge Lord nihilism is killed. Like it's fucking ridiculous.

1164
01:14:37,720 --> 01:14:41,360
Speaker 1: Oh god, I mean this is It's at the very

1165
01:14:41,439 --> 01:14:45,799
Speaker 1: top of the red flag faith movies list. If someone

1166
01:14:46,040 --> 01:14:49,120
Speaker 1: says that they still, you know, hold a candle for

1167
01:14:49,160 --> 01:14:54,400
Speaker 1: this movie run in the other direction, they're very dangerous. Um. Yeah,

1168
01:14:54,439 --> 01:14:57,639
Speaker 1: i mean it's it's right up there with you know

1169
01:14:58,080 --> 01:15:04,479
Speaker 1: what raw the raw gosh drive? Yeah what else? Um,

1170
01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:11,280
Speaker 1: we've made a list. Fun was the Alpa scar faced scarface? Oh?

1171
01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:17,440
Speaker 1: What's the one with the Irish guys the Boondock Saints? Yeah,

1172
01:15:17,880 --> 01:15:22,040
Speaker 1: not that one either. God, most Quentin Tarantino movies are

1173
01:15:22,080 --> 01:15:24,040
Speaker 1: just white guys who want to say the N word,

1174
01:15:24,200 --> 01:15:28,720
Speaker 1: like it's just all you know. Don't meet anyone and

1175
01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:33,439
Speaker 1: don't spend time with anyone, is the lesson. Do we

1176
01:15:33,479 --> 01:15:38,760
Speaker 1: have any questions or comments from the crowd? Is anything? Gang? Yes, here,

1177
01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:40,880
Speaker 1: I'll come to you so you can talk into the mic.

1178
01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:46,920
Speaker 1: What's your name? My name is Marina. Always loved Martha Stewart,

1179
01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:49,679
Speaker 1: and so has my mother, and she would randomly yell

1180
01:15:49,840 --> 01:15:53,519
Speaker 1: free Martha when she was in jail, and she always

1181
01:15:53,960 --> 01:15:56,640
Speaker 1: was saying if she was a man, she would have

1182
01:15:56,720 --> 01:16:00,479
Speaker 1: never gone to prison for insider trading. Do you think

1183
01:16:00,520 --> 01:16:14,920
Speaker 1: that's true? Your mom is right? I mean, obviously your

1184
01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:18,000
Speaker 1: mom is right, But I mean all I I do

1185
01:16:18,120 --> 01:16:21,160
Speaker 1: think that at least Martha Stewart got the street cred

1186
01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:26,680
Speaker 1: she rightfully deserved as a shameless girl boss capitalist. I

1187
01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:31,880
Speaker 1: mean she's yeah, I mean I personally stand Martha. She's

1188
01:16:31,920 --> 01:16:36,960
Speaker 1: probably evil, but you know some people, I I've wiped

1189
01:16:37,080 --> 01:16:40,960
Speaker 1: my but with a lot of her towels. So I

1190
01:16:41,040 --> 01:16:42,960
Speaker 1: guess I feel close to her the way you would

1191
01:16:42,960 --> 01:16:48,679
Speaker 1: feel close to a Sharman beard. She's innocent. I wiped

1192
01:16:48,680 --> 01:16:58,920
Speaker 1: my ask with towels and a lot. Okay, well wipe.

1193
01:16:59,120 --> 01:17:03,240
Speaker 1: It implies like when you're I'm after a shower. Oh

1194
01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:07,360
Speaker 1: so you dry, you're asked, I've got a big ass.

1195
01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:13,439
Speaker 1: I try it with a towel. So well, does anyone

1196
01:17:13,439 --> 01:17:17,680
Speaker 1: else have a question? Jesus Christ, if you want some

1197
01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:20,519
Speaker 1: coming closer to the stage. If you can't, my name

1198
01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:23,800
Speaker 1: is Rachel Jamie. I bought you a PBR so later on,

1199
01:17:24,200 --> 01:17:26,320
Speaker 1: I know, so they're holding it for you back there.

1200
01:17:28,280 --> 01:17:31,519
Speaker 1: So with Marla, I feel like my whole relationship with

1201
01:17:31,560 --> 01:17:35,400
Speaker 1: Marla is creepy. Do you think that her sleeping with

1202
01:17:35,880 --> 01:17:40,000
Speaker 1: the narrator could be rape because he didn't know that

1203
01:17:40,120 --> 01:17:42,040
Speaker 1: he was sleeping with her and then she asked about

1204
01:17:42,080 --> 01:17:45,920
Speaker 1: it later or like sexual assault? Okay, I just want

1205
01:17:45,920 --> 01:17:48,920
Speaker 1: to make sure I might understanding the question. So it

1206
01:17:48,960 --> 01:17:51,439
Speaker 1: was later on when she goes back and she's asking

1207
01:17:51,560 --> 01:17:55,280
Speaker 1: like about Tyler, and Tyler is not here, but it's

1208
01:17:55,320 --> 01:17:58,280
Speaker 1: like he's already had sex with her and not acknowledging it.

1209
01:17:59,280 --> 01:18:02,640
Speaker 1: That's kind of creepy. Be totally so is the implication

1210
01:18:02,680 --> 01:18:10,080
Speaker 1: that she is raping him. He's raping Okay, oh huh,

1211
01:18:10,960 --> 01:18:13,519
Speaker 1: that's an interesting I I hadn't thought of it that way,

1212
01:18:13,560 --> 01:18:16,559
Speaker 1: in the sense that he's not being truthful about his identity,

1213
01:18:16,600 --> 01:18:19,599
Speaker 1: doesn't remember it, and that he doesn't yeah, I mean

1214
01:18:19,640 --> 01:18:23,680
Speaker 1: he never remembers it. It's this thing. Fuck. We never

1215
01:18:23,720 --> 01:18:26,240
Speaker 1: see the actual scenes though, right. Yeah, I guess that that.

1216
01:18:26,240 --> 01:18:29,439
Speaker 1: That's an interesting I I'd be interested to like talk

1217
01:18:29,479 --> 01:18:31,960
Speaker 1: about that more. And I feel like I need to

1218
01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:34,880
Speaker 1: watch the movie again to answer that question better. And

1219
01:18:34,920 --> 01:18:38,360
Speaker 1: I never want to watch this movie again. Um. Yeah,

1220
01:18:38,360 --> 01:18:41,479
Speaker 1: I haven't getten that I thought, But but I understand

1221
01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:43,640
Speaker 1: where you're coming from me. That's an interesting question. I

1222
01:18:43,680 --> 01:18:46,000
Speaker 1: don't know. Does anyone have opinions on that? They were

1223
01:18:46,040 --> 01:18:49,240
Speaker 1: they heard some some murmurs of agreement. Yes, Hey, what

1224
01:18:49,320 --> 01:18:52,000
Speaker 1: was your name? Sorry to get so physically close. I

1225
01:18:52,040 --> 01:18:55,080
Speaker 1: prefer not to say my name. But as far as

1226
01:18:56,120 --> 01:18:58,519
Speaker 1: horrible mistakes that we may or may not have made

1227
01:18:58,560 --> 01:19:01,559
Speaker 1: in high school with regards to drugs and alcohol in sex,

1228
01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:05,680
Speaker 1: mutual non consent is very much a real thing that

1229
01:19:05,880 --> 01:19:08,040
Speaker 1: a lot of us have to work through in terms

1230
01:19:08,120 --> 01:19:11,719
Speaker 1: of ways that we were irresponsible and we're also hurt,

1231
01:19:12,240 --> 01:19:15,000
Speaker 1: and I feel like this movie does not handle that well.

1232
01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:18,400
Speaker 1: But I think that's what that's an instance of, is

1233
01:19:18,560 --> 01:19:23,799
Speaker 1: neither party being in a sober, present and active mental

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01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:27,120
Speaker 1: capacity for consent. Yeah. That makes a lot of a

1235
01:19:27,160 --> 01:19:32,519
Speaker 1: sense to me. Thank you. Sure, Yeah, no, that's helpful,

1236
01:19:32,600 --> 01:19:39,760
Speaker 1: Thank you. That was you guys should hang out? Uh?

1237
01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:44,200
Speaker 1: Any any other there? Yes, there was some. Come on,

1238
01:19:44,439 --> 01:19:48,360
Speaker 1: come on down. Um, I just want to know what

1239
01:19:48,439 --> 01:19:56,080
Speaker 1: y'all think about Jared Letto's character. Um, you talk about

1240
01:19:56,439 --> 01:20:00,880
Speaker 1: femininity being painted as disgusting or repulsive, and Jared Letto

1241
01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:04,840
Speaker 1: is described as beautiful and then Edward Norton beats the

1242
01:20:04,840 --> 01:20:07,639
Speaker 1: ship out of him because he wanted to destroy something beautiful.

1243
01:20:07,800 --> 01:20:11,280
Speaker 1: So yeah, well, as we all know, Jared Letto is

1244
01:20:11,320 --> 01:20:16,160
Speaker 1: not beautiful. So right off the bat, it's like, who

1245
01:20:16,600 --> 01:20:20,000
Speaker 1: was like, we need someone beautiful, and they cast Jared

1246
01:20:20,040 --> 01:20:22,320
Speaker 1: Letto and made him look like a neo. Not clearly

1247
01:20:22,360 --> 01:20:24,800
Speaker 1: you haven't seen the first half of Requiem for a

1248
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:28,920
Speaker 1: Dream because he's pretty beautiful. I haven't seen that movie.

1249
01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:31,679
Speaker 1: Did you get through the second half and just forget that,

1250
01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:35,759
Speaker 1: just forget that part but I liked his face tattoo

1251
01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:39,840
Speaker 1: and he was the joker, but I mean he was

1252
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:44,479
Speaker 1: damaged boy. He uh yeah, he's described as beautiful and

1253
01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:47,960
Speaker 1: then yeah, that's a good beats him to a pulp

1254
01:20:48,200 --> 01:20:50,320
Speaker 1: and and the next thing you see him in his

1255
01:20:50,600 --> 01:20:54,519
Speaker 1: face is pretty badly disfigured. Um. So that, I mean,

1256
01:20:54,560 --> 01:20:58,760
Speaker 1: that is just yet another horrible thing Upward Norton does.

1257
01:20:59,360 --> 01:21:02,360
Speaker 1: And if you're given the choice between, they're like, you

1258
01:21:02,400 --> 01:21:05,200
Speaker 1: can date Edward Norton or Jared Letto, You're like, I

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Speaker 1: would I'd rather be you know, I'm okay. I guess

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Speaker 1: I'm just not going to have sex anymore and I

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Speaker 1: feel good about that. Does that answer your question? A

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Speaker 1: few more hands one up? All right? Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: I just want to say, when we watched this the

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Speaker 1: other day, my girlfriend did also refer to her as

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Speaker 1: a nightmare Pixy dream girl. Um. And probably a bad question,

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Speaker 1: but if there were a role that Alfred Molina would

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Speaker 1: play in this movie, what do you think it would be?

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Speaker 1: Do you think it would make it better? Or do

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Speaker 1: you think that Alfred Molina is too much of a

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Speaker 1: classy person to go anywhere near this project? You know, Alfred,

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Speaker 1: everyone makes mistakes. Let's say in theory he'd make this mistake.

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Speaker 1: I hope if he made this mistake. As a close

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Speaker 1: personal friend of mine at this point, I hope if

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Speaker 1: he made this mistake, he would make it of the

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Speaker 1: way and it would be like, you know, like when

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Speaker 1: Deep Roy was all the Lumpa's. It would be like

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Speaker 1: an all Alfred Molina reboot of Fight and you play

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Speaker 1: every character like and you would be so confused if

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Speaker 1: it was all Alfred Millina. First of all, would take

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Speaker 1: years to shoot and but so so there'd be slight

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Speaker 1: age differences, which would be interesting. I don't know. But

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Speaker 1: so at the end, when you find out that Alfred

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Speaker 1: Molina and Alfred Molina were the same person, you'd just

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Speaker 1: be like, oh, I guess that makes sense. So that's

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Speaker 1: what I would do. I think I think he is

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Speaker 1: too classy to be anywhere near this movie. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's our friend. We know he's our friend. He touched

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Speaker 1: my dog, we're friends. My question is not gonna be

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Speaker 1: Angywhears goes, oh this, um, Jamie. Since you read the book,

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Speaker 1: I was wondering that, since David Fincher is a garbage person,

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Speaker 1: if maybe there was some director that could go over

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Speaker 1: it and adapted again, like a Paul Verhoeven who is

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Speaker 1: a little bit more experienced with doing like fascist satire,

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Speaker 1: if maybe that would make it more redeemable as a

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Speaker 1: as a work. That's interesting. Um, I have a great question,

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Speaker 1: Like full Disculture, I have not read the book proper

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Speaker 1: in many years, but I went back over, like what

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Speaker 1: was changed in the adaptation and and all that stuff

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Speaker 1: before when we were probably for this episode. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: it's that's like kind of I don't know. I worry

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Speaker 1: that right now, like our culture as it is does

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01:23:43,280 --> 01:23:47,720
Speaker 1: not seem very prepared for satire. There seems to be

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Speaker 1: such like a everything that's happening feels like a badly

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Speaker 1: written satire, And so I don't I mean, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I think that, you know, hopefully in years where people

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01:23:58,840 --> 01:24:02,400
Speaker 1: are not constantly descending into active hell as we are now,

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Speaker 1: UM that I I guess if if an adaptation was

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Speaker 1: done that I don't know, took the original author's biases

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Speaker 1: into account and was able to clearly I mean, it's hard.

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Speaker 1: It seems hard for a filmmaker to demonstrate when something

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Speaker 1: is clearly satire. But David Fincher. I mean, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I kept thinking this as we were watching this movie.

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Speaker 1: I was like, David Fincher probably thinks Elon Musk is awesome,

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01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:35,800
Speaker 1: but I don't know if this source material is worth readapting.

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01:24:35,880 --> 01:24:38,759
Speaker 1: And I think if I think it's important to send

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01:24:38,800 --> 01:24:43,720
Speaker 1: the message that like consumerism and capitalism are bad, and

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01:24:43,800 --> 01:24:46,960
Speaker 1: I think a much better movie that does that is

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Speaker 1: of Course and the Pussycats. So I think we just

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01:24:52,400 --> 01:24:56,800
Speaker 1: need to keep making let's see some Josie sequels, like

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Speaker 1: what And then that kind of reminded me of how

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01:24:59,560 --> 01:25:02,719
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, this is an incredibly white movie there,

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01:25:03,080 --> 01:25:05,720
Speaker 1: you know, I like, hardly any, if any people of

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01:25:05,760 --> 01:25:10,479
Speaker 1: color in the payment, and that's pretty much. Yeah. And

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01:25:10,520 --> 01:25:13,720
Speaker 1: then there's you know there as we discussed there are

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01:25:13,800 --> 01:25:15,479
Speaker 1: hardly any women in the movie. But then I was

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Speaker 1: I was like, do I want those people to be

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Speaker 1: in fight Club? I don't. I don't want anyone to

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01:25:20,160 --> 01:25:21,479
Speaker 1: be in fight Club. I don't know if I would

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01:25:21,520 --> 01:25:25,479
Speaker 1: wish fight Club in the world. Again, yeah, probably probably

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01:25:25,640 --> 01:25:29,960
Speaker 1: enough for me. Dog another adaptation we had we had

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Speaker 1: another question, Yeah, we have I think we have time

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Speaker 1: for one more. Hey, I'm Andrew um same birthdays. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's pretty big deal. Um, I wanted to get your

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Speaker 1: thoughts on something, so I read the book to not

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Speaker 1: you know, I got a couple of literatis. I like,

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01:25:47,640 --> 01:25:49,280
Speaker 1: read it once and didn't really like it. My dad

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01:25:49,360 --> 01:25:51,160
Speaker 1: still buys and we chuck polic books and I'm like,

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01:25:51,160 --> 01:25:55,960
Speaker 1: please stop. Anyways, marla Is line, I think was something

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01:25:56,000 --> 01:25:58,800
Speaker 1: along the lines of when she says, I haven't been

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01:25:58,800 --> 01:26:01,439
Speaker 1: funk like that since grade school. Originally, I want to

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01:26:01,439 --> 01:26:03,760
Speaker 1: have your abortions. I want to know your thoughts. Read

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Speaker 1: that I have agency and I'm making a joke about

1343
01:26:06,080 --> 01:26:07,479
Speaker 1: like what I can do with my body instead of

1344
01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:09,960
Speaker 1: this thing happened to me and it was terrible. Well,

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01:26:10,040 --> 01:26:13,600
Speaker 1: David Fincher hates women, so I think that that is

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01:26:13,640 --> 01:26:17,599
Speaker 1: a beginning, mill and end of that. Uh, well, Fincher

1347
01:26:17,720 --> 01:26:21,760
Speaker 1: is evil. Does this movie pass the Bectel test? Say

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01:26:21,800 --> 01:26:27,639
Speaker 1: it with us. No, that's a hard, no, big fat note.

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Speaker 1: What if it did? Do you have to be like

1350
01:26:33,200 --> 01:26:36,360
Speaker 1: feminist texts? We take it all that. The only moment

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Speaker 1: where where women even interact is when Chloe is being like, someone,

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01:26:41,600 --> 01:26:46,280
Speaker 1: please fuck me right now, and then another unnamed woman says,

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01:26:46,680 --> 01:26:50,120
Speaker 1: h thanks Chloe, and then pulls her away from the microphone.

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Speaker 1: So that's the only time women interact in the whole movie.

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Speaker 1: What if it's like super meta and Tyler Dirden spliced

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Speaker 1: in a scene of like two sisters is discussing Judith Butler. Wow,

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01:27:03,960 --> 01:27:07,080
Speaker 1: and we just didn't see it. Yeah, I saw it.

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Speaker 1: Instead of that being like that dick shot at the end,

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01:27:11,240 --> 01:27:19,479
Speaker 1: it's just feminist talks, Tyler, what a missed opportunity? So wait,

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Speaker 1: was Edward Norton working part time jobs at night? I

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Speaker 1: guess yeah, he was doing the projectionist thing and industrious.

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Speaker 1: I love him. I take it all. Everything we said back, um, yeah,

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01:27:32,320 --> 01:27:35,720
Speaker 1: this does not this doesn't um. Hey, should we just

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Speaker 1: also have the audience announced how many nipples would give

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Speaker 1: this movie? Yes, let's do that count of three, one, two, three, amazing, Katie,

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Speaker 1: do you dispute that does not merit any nipples? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: although if if it did, which it doesn't, but if

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Speaker 1: it did, it would be Jill's nipples, which is gets

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Speaker 1: said in the movie Your Moment. He's like, I'm Jack's

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Speaker 1: madula aban goata, I'm Jill's nipples. Anyways, I can't believe

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Speaker 1: they let Edward Norton say nipples. I guess ruined nipples

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Speaker 1: for me. Yeah, so yeahs you're on nipples. Yeah. It's

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Speaker 1: just you know, Marla is treated like ship by the

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Speaker 1: characters and by the movie every I mean, I mean,

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01:28:23,680 --> 01:28:28,200
Speaker 1: the concept of femininity is treated like shit. Um, any

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01:28:28,360 --> 01:28:32,800
Speaker 1: man who displays a traditionally feminine trait is murdered like

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Speaker 1: it's just the glorification of men punching each other is

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01:28:37,960 --> 01:28:41,519
Speaker 1: and really does like give and down to the I mean,

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Speaker 1: we didn't talk about the symbolism of soap, which you know,

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Speaker 1: I guess you could read any college freshman's essay if

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Speaker 1: you want to read, but the symbolism of soap and

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01:28:49,600 --> 01:28:52,320
Speaker 1: fight club. But you know, the whole concept of like

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01:28:52,360 --> 01:28:55,320
Speaker 1: women are dumb enough to have their own fats sold

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01:28:55,360 --> 01:28:59,400
Speaker 1: back to them. It just has like contempt of women

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01:28:59,640 --> 01:29:03,360
Speaker 1: and glorifies the most toxic possible masculine date to the

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01:29:03,400 --> 01:29:06,880
Speaker 1: point where it's like an effect of laying out of

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01:29:07,000 --> 01:29:12,320
Speaker 1: like the in cell lifestyle. So if that was what

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01:29:12,400 --> 01:29:18,760
Speaker 1: they were trying to do, they were successful. So congratulations

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01:29:18,840 --> 01:29:24,040
Speaker 1: to the movie Thing Club for radicalizing people and ruining

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Speaker 1: the world. Thank god for Shrek, Katie, Thank you so

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01:29:32,920 --> 01:29:41,360
Speaker 1: much for being here. Thank you. Where can people follow

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Speaker 1: you online? Is there anything you would like to plug? Yeah? Instagram, Twitter,

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01:29:45,160 --> 01:29:47,920
Speaker 1: Katie Nuggan, it's easier to spell in my last name,

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Speaker 1: uh Katie and your g G I n oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: website Katie hype and when I got my brother made it.

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Speaker 1: Oh and one time he held a hostage but it's

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Speaker 1: up now out and I'll find him a file again. Well,

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Speaker 1: thanks again for being here. Thank yous all of you

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Speaker 1: for coming to the show. Give it up for Curious

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Speaker 1: Comedy Theater for having us. Have a good night. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: thanks for coming. There you go, There you go as

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Speaker 1: a feminist text. Just like we all suspected. We we

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01:30:26,320 --> 01:30:29,040
Speaker 1: broke the first couple of rules because we talked about

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Speaker 1: fight club. Yeah, which means that we can't be really

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Speaker 1: cool fascist, which is too bad. Thank you again to

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Speaker 1: Curious Comedy Theater for having us. Thank you to everyone

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Speaker 1: who came to our Portland's shows. Thank you to Katie

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Speaker 1: um follow her on all the socials. She's wonderful. Thanks

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Speaker 1: to Sammy Junio friend of the show, for recording for us.

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