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Speaker 1: This is Frosted Tips with Lance Bass and iHeartRadio podcast. Hello,

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Speaker 1: my Little Peanuts, it's mere host Lance Bass. This is

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Speaker 1: Frosted Tips with me, Lance Bass, and my Lovely co

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Speaker 1: hosts Turkey Michael Turchin.

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Speaker 2: Well, hello Lovely other.

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Speaker 1: I'm great. Yeah, I'm excited. We got Kevin Wu on today.

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Speaker 2: I know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. If you know my old radio show, we've had

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Speaker 1: Kevin on and he's just lovely. I think it's our

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Speaker 1: first K popper. Yeah, yeah, our first K pop.

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Speaker 2: There's so many we can go This show can go

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Speaker 2: on forever.

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Speaker 1: I know, but they just need they I don't know

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Speaker 1: why they won't come on the show, or maybe we haven't.

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Speaker 2: Maybe I don't. Maybe this is the catalyst we need Kevin.

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Speaker 2: You gotta Wu everyone else.

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Speaker 1: It's funny. Well, uh, you K pop fans will know

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Speaker 1: that he is from a U kiss. He was kind

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Speaker 1: of a pioneer in K pop. Yeah, he does everything.

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Speaker 1: He just had that Broadway show k Pop Starts In,

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Speaker 1: got lots of Tony nominations this year. He's just been

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Speaker 1: killing it, killing it. So I'm excited to have him

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Speaker 1: on the show and catch up and explain to you

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Speaker 1: what K pop's all about Yeah, because now you know

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Speaker 1: a lot of us, you know, on this show and

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Speaker 1: listening to show. You know, unfortunately we're middle aged. No, fortunately,

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Speaker 1: we're middle aged.

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Speaker 2: Fortunately. Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 1: So we kind of missed that K pop resurgence, and

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Speaker 1: so we're gonna teach you all kinds of fun little work.

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Speaker 2: You're never too ill to learn.

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Speaker 1: That's right. You're gonna know what a bias member is.

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Speaker 2: Oh a bias member.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because I'm your bias member.

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Speaker 3: I have a bias against you.

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Speaker 1: A little entertainment pop culture news. Snead O'Connor passed away.

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Speaker 1: I know, unfortunately this week. I don't know exactly.

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Speaker 2: Said, but I'm assuming it was.

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Speaker 1: It's in mental health. I mean, if you're having trouble

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Speaker 1: out there, you know, ask for help. There's tons of

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Speaker 1: places you can go to. You can call anonymously if

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Speaker 1: you're just having you know, some thoughts, you know, talk

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Speaker 1: to someone.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's always the Trevor Project, which we always.

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Speaker 1: We love the Trevor Project. They will listen to anyone.

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Speaker 1: And again, anonymous, you don't have to say who you are,

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Speaker 1: just like talk it out. Therapy is good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's great. Everybody's being in therapy. Did we ever

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Speaker 2: just did we ever discuss our trip?

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Speaker 4: Who went on?

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Speaker 1: Did we with our listeners all year? I know we did.

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Speaker 1: We We finally had a little summer vacation, which was nice.

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Speaker 1: We we flew with the kids to Mississippi, spent a

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Speaker 1: little time with my family. Then we we let the

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Speaker 1: kids stay on a little summer vacation. Yeah, grandparents. So

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Speaker 1: we flew to San fran And I've always wanted to

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Speaker 1: drive the one oh one. So it's a freeway here

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Speaker 1: in California that hugs the Pacific Ocean the whole way,

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Speaker 1: all the way from Portland to San Diego. And there's

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Speaker 1: so many great, beautiful things to do, and I've a

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Speaker 1: you know, I love a road trip. So we went

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Speaker 1: to San France, spent a few days there. We went hiking,

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Speaker 1: and we ate so great food.

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Speaker 2: We ate so much. You went hiking. It was like

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Speaker 2: the most pleasant, leisurely.

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Speaker 1: Trip I've ever been on in my life, non alcoholic,

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Speaker 1: non alcoholic trip. You would think we would do all

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Speaker 1: the kinds of wine because it's all the best flying country,

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Speaker 1: but no, we just kind of just enjoyed hiking and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and just a lot of spas, a lot of spas, yeah,

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Speaker 3: and a lot of food.

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Speaker 1: It was Yeah. I gained a good five pounds on

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Speaker 2: It was an eight pray love trip.

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Speaker 1: And what we eat we found ourselves.

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Speaker 2: We did.

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Speaker 1: We did bottom of a Fish and chip. I tell

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Speaker 1: you this one place. I mean, we stayed in some

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Speaker 1: really great places. So we you know, San France. We

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Speaker 1: stayed at night in Monterey. They have a really great aquarium.

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Speaker 1: really great winery.

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Speaker 1: Then we ended up in Santa Barbara, which is only

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Speaker 1: I could retire there easily. It is beautiful. Oprah Winfrey

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Speaker 1: knows what she's doing. Uh, just a gorgeous town right

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, what was it called? Oh the Rosewood

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Speaker 1: mirramr Rosewood, Mira Mars, Miramar Beach that Rick Cruso owns.

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Speaker 1: He's the one that ran for mayor the billionaire. Oh

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Speaker 1: my gosh. Wow, I was not because we were going

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Speaker 1: to Santa Barbara for two days to hike again and

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Speaker 1: go to restaurants. We didn't leave the hotel.

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Speaker 2: We did not leave the hotel once. We're like, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: To I've never seen anything like.

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Speaker 2: It was so chic.

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Speaker 1: Shake shake, shake, shake.

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Speaker 2: And they we had a room like right on the beach.

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Speaker 1: But it was it was We saw Brian Austin Green

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Speaker 1: and Benji Madden like this is like, I guess the

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Speaker 1: secret spot on Lance Bass.

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Speaker 2: It was the Who's Who?

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Speaker 1: How come no one has told me about this spot

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Speaker 1: until now? Obviously I was not in the cool the

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Speaker 2: You must have not got the invite. No, I definitely

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Speaker 2: didn't get the invite.

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 1: Uh but it was great. And you know, I love

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Speaker 1: my food and it has Crusoe is the restaurant there,

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Speaker 1: Miss Star restaurant, and then the Michelin chef does this

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Speaker 1: eight course meal and you know it's just like a

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Speaker 1: two byte on every meal. Wow, there was one dish was.

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Speaker 2: Like there was one.

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Speaker 3: It was like it was even it was like an

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Speaker 2: It was like a little sampler to started off with

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Speaker 2: and listen. Everything was amazing. It was so good, except

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Speaker 2: this one thing I think was maybe an accidentally got

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Speaker 2: but it was like a tomato.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you were supposed to smoke it and then you

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Speaker 1: give me a lighter Jakes, Oh my gosh. So yeah

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Speaker 1: that was that was nice. So I highly recommend going

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Speaker 1: to the Rosewood if you're in Santa Barbara, if you're

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Speaker 1: really going to be saved up for fifty years.

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Speaker 2: That was our only time going.

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Speaker 1: it was. It was nice. It was It was a

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Speaker 1: good way to end our chic trip. Yes, chee che

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Speaker 1: cheek chick. All right, guys, let's get into our interview.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a little break, we come back. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: have the one and only K pop superstar pioneer Kevin

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Speaker 1: Wooo and welcome back to Frost and Tips. All right.

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Speaker 1: Kevin Wu as an American singer, songwriter, television host based

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Speaker 1: in New York City. He is primarily known as a

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Speaker 1: former member of South Korean boy band You Kiss from

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Speaker 1: two thousand and eight until twenty seventeen, as well as

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Speaker 1: a host of various programs such as after school Club.

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Speaker 1: Born and raised in California. He was discovered by South

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Speaker 1: Korean entertainment agency Xing Entertainment at the age of fifteen

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Speaker 1: and subsequently moved to South Korea after a few months

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Speaker 1: of training. Wu debuted as a member of the boy

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Speaker 1: group Zing in two thousand and six. After leaving that

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Speaker 1: group two years later, he re debuted as a member

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Speaker 1: of U Kiss in two thousand and eight, and in

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Speaker 1: March twenty seventeen, he left U Kiss after his contract expired.

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Speaker 1: Following his departure from U Kiss, We pursued a solo

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Speaker 1: a soloist with his first single, ride Along, in October

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Speaker 1: twenty eighteen. Kevin, welcome to the show.

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Speaker 4: That that was very impressive.

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Speaker 1: It was everything that I said true?

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Speaker 4: It was true?

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Speaker 1: Okay, did I pronounce everything right? Because I made I

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Speaker 1: see Zing is X I G a sing sing? You

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Speaker 4: Crossing whatever.

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Speaker 1: Let's just start out just kidding, all right. So, Kevin,

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Speaker 1: you come from a musical background. Your family was all

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Speaker 1: into music. Your dad plays instruments, your uncle is an

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Speaker 1: opera singer. When did you when did you know that

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Speaker 4: It was, I guess when I was growing up and

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Speaker 4: during the holidays, we'd always just gather on the piano

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Speaker 4: sing songs. And I also sang at my school, yeah,

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Speaker 4: saying that was my middle school graduation too.

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Speaker 1: What was school like for little Kevin Wood?

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Speaker 4: Oh god, it's so long ago.

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Speaker 1: She went to school here in California. I did where

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Speaker 4: Okay, yes, North l And I was a very shy,

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Speaker 4: just very introverted kid. Honestly, I just didn't see myself

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Speaker 1: Did you speak Korean as a kid? You learn it

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Speaker 1: for when your music?

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Speaker 4: I could get by, Yeah, I I you know, I

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Speaker 4: But I really learned to read and write when I

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Speaker 1: Was that difficult for you?

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Speaker 4: It really wasn't, no, because the basis Yeah yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 4: I gro up around speaking like, you know, Korean, and

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Speaker 4: all my relatives were like all Korean speakers, so I

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Speaker 1: What was the holidays like holiday house? Like it does

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Speaker 1: the whole family come together, your cousins and uncles, Yes, yeah, yes.

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Speaker 4: So it's very much like an American uh you know,

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Speaker 4: festive holiday, but with just Korean food, yeah, which is amazing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so what is the dish for the holidays?

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Speaker 1: The Korean food special because you know, we always have

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Speaker 4: So we did a little bit of both we had

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Speaker 4: our you know, traditional American turkey, but we also had

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Speaker 4: and that was like the main dish, and lots of

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Speaker 1: So, I mean you are a pioneer in K pop.

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Speaker 1: I mean you started you know.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm right in front of a pioneer.

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Speaker 4: Which the funniest song to sing for a boy bear.

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Speaker 1: Why do you think Korean music has blown up so much?

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Speaker 1: but very entertain very entertainment. There's very few people that

444
00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:18,320
Speaker 1: can keep me entertained by just performing behind unless.

445
00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:21,280
Speaker 2: Your voice is like, unless you're like an adele, like

446
00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:25,600
Speaker 2: you're there, you're literally there for the voice. I get it.

447
00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:26,880
Speaker 2: But if you can't sing.

448
00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:32,600
Speaker 3: Like that, you better put on the yeah, exactly flipping

449
00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:33,119
Speaker 3: around you.

450
00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:34,199
Speaker 2: I want to be entertained.

451
00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:37,280
Speaker 1: I need some confetti. If you hit me with some confetti,

452
00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:39,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna think it's the best concert ever.

453
00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:41,600
Speaker 2: I mean it's not even joking.

454
00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:44,280
Speaker 4: And that's the thing with KP we just kind of

455
00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:49,600
Speaker 4: served every everything. If you serve the performance, the visuals,

456
00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:55,320
Speaker 4: and also the visuals with the fashion and uh, whenever

457
00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,800
Speaker 4: like a group debuts, there's like a story behind them.

458
00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:01,800
Speaker 4: There's like a concept, whether it's from space, whether they're

459
00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:06,000
Speaker 4: like heroes or like you know, something that's like ethereal,

460
00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:09,200
Speaker 4: so that you know, people could like really fall into

461
00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:13,239
Speaker 4: that story and want to know more about them. So

462
00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:16,440
Speaker 4: there's just so many different aspects that come into play

463
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:18,479
Speaker 4: when it comes to K pop. Yeah, and they just

464
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:19,879
Speaker 4: mastered every single.

465
00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:22,760
Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad you brought it up fashion because that's

466
00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,360
Speaker 1: something that we did not have back no one.

467
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,040
Speaker 3: You guys were kind of fashion for I mean they

468
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:32,399
Speaker 3: were very very forward, very fast forward.

469
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:35,080
Speaker 1: But it's just you know, it's it didn't in the

470
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:38,840
Speaker 1: nineties in early two thousands, especially being guys, you didn't

471
00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,000
Speaker 1: think about fashion really like you weren't trying to go

472
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,160
Speaker 1: to the met Ball and you weren't getting big designers

473
00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:48,560
Speaker 1: just like no one cared. Now they do, and especially

474
00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:51,399
Speaker 1: with a lot of these K pop artists, fashion is

475
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,400
Speaker 1: so forward, you know, and I love that.

476
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:56,520
Speaker 4: And there doesn't have to be a reason or a

477
00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,800
Speaker 4: statement behind it. It's just fashion and fashion and they

478
00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:02,720
Speaker 4: own up to it. Like guys like I feel like

479
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:06,159
Speaker 4: crop tops like started to get popular through through the

480
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:11,359
Speaker 4: K pop. Oh yeah, like nowadays America, like you know,

481
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:13,520
Speaker 4: guys are wearing crop top and it's so cool. But

482
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,640
Speaker 4: I think this was like even five six years ago,

483
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:20,040
Speaker 4: boy bands were wearing crop tops and it wasn't like, oh,

484
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,240
Speaker 4: why are they wearing crop tops? It was just it

485
00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,639
Speaker 4: was so cool and sexy, and then they owned that sexy.

486
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:27,880
Speaker 1: I don't know if I pull off crop top, Well,

487
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 1: it's not for everyone. That What was the most difficult

488
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,320
Speaker 1: part of the training for you, besides like the dancing

489
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:37,880
Speaker 1: that was so new to you with your journey, what

490
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 1: was the most difficult Did they work y'all so heavily

491
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:42,560
Speaker 1: you couldn't sleep.

492
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,720
Speaker 4: I think the most of it part for me was

493
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 4: how like you mentioned, it is a factory. You know,

494
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 4: these these major labels are recruiting these trainees to create

495
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 4: you know, ultimately a product, you know, and and for me,

496
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 4: you know, that was very much my story as well.

497
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 4: But as I was getting into my more, you know, mature,

498
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:12,159
Speaker 4: like definitive years. I feel like I lost that identity.

499
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,240
Speaker 4: I fell too much into what the label wanted me

500
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,399
Speaker 4: to be or what the fans expected me to be,

501
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,159
Speaker 4: So I kind of lost myself there. And I feel

502
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 4: like a lot of K pop you know kids or

503
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 4: trainees or artists kind of had that similar, you know struggle,

504
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 4: because you know, they they're kind of torn between what

505
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 4: they want to portray or express as an artist versus

506
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 4: what the label wants. So for me, that was I

507
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:39,360
Speaker 4: think the most difficult part.

508
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, would you say, because you know, we obviously went

509
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 1: through horrible contracts, you know the Lou Pearlman era where

510
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,440
Speaker 1: we were so taken advantage of as children and everyone's like, oh,

511
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 1: your kids, you'll recover, or.

512
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:54,960
Speaker 4: You guys signed up for it, this was what you wanted.

513
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 1: This is just normal. What is that like in South Korea?

514
00:24:58,800 --> 00:24:58,919
Speaker 4: Now?

515
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 1: Are they are they going through a loop p Roman

516
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 1: moment right now where they are taking advantage of their

517
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:05,439
Speaker 1: not getting the piece of the pie they should or

518
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 1: are they treated pretty fairly?

519
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:08,920
Speaker 4: It's getting better?

520
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 1: Yeah?

521
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:11,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's progress.

522
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 1: My bts has made moneys made money.

523
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, because it was like we don't got to worry

524
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 4: about that. Yeah, make money worrying about that. So I

525
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 4: just kidding, like I feel like it took a while,

526
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,920
Speaker 4: but uh, yeah, there's a story that I want to share.

527
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 4: I was in a very long contract. I signed ten

528
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:38,199
Speaker 4: years in my first contract, and uh, I believe that

529
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:40,920
Speaker 4: wasn't fair. You know. I also was, you know, raised

530
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 4: in America, so I wanted to fight for my rights.

531
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 4: And I was like, ten years is way too long

532
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,959
Speaker 4: for any any child or any for anything to do

533
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 4: for ten years, not even just singing and acting crazy,

534
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 4: anything for ten years. So I found the lawsuit when

535
00:25:55,359 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 4: I was seventeen. Uh, and I won that lawsuit, and

536
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:10,160
Speaker 4: ever since then, every K pop label changed their contract. Yeah,

537
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:14,120
Speaker 4: so it's shortened to seven years. So now every contract

538
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:19,120
Speaker 4: is seven years. And yeah, I think also not only

539
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 4: just like contracts, but in the mental health space too. Uh.

540
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:25,640
Speaker 4: In my days, you know, we just kind of had

541
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 4: to suck it up if we were feeling a little down,

542
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,400
Speaker 4: or you know, even if not even if we weren't

543
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 4: just like ill physically, Like if there was a time

544
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:36,399
Speaker 4: where we just wanted to rest, we couldn't really do

545
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,360
Speaker 4: that because there was so much pressure and so much

546
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:43,160
Speaker 4: money involved, and like as a kid, it's sad that,

547
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:45,199
Speaker 4: you know, we had to think about all those different

548
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,399
Speaker 4: you know, things that we shouldn't. We're just you know,

549
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,119
Speaker 4: we should just be focusing on our.

550
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, and going through something like you did. I mean,

551
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,959
Speaker 1: a lot of people aren't able to mentally handle that,

552
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:57,639
Speaker 1: especially going through a boot camp like this and all

553
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 1: the pressure and then you know, the f and wanting

554
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 1: you to be something. And we do have a problem

555
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 1: these days with a lot of suicides happening all over

556
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 1: the world unfortunately.

557
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:12,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, K pop has lost a lot of very special hearts.

558
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean it's it's just and I don't

559
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's because they were worked too hard,

560
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,879
Speaker 1: or they just couldn't deal with the fame, or if

561
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,120
Speaker 1: it's COVID. I mean, I mean, I feel like since

562
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: COVID everyone kind of got separated for so long that

563
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,639
Speaker 1: I've seen an uptick and a lot of suicides.

564
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, lately, I think it was lack of awareness. Where

565
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:38,920
Speaker 4: in Korea, let let alone Asia, therapy is still seen

566
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,159
Speaker 4: as like a weakness, and people don't want to be

567
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 4: seen as weak, so they don't seek out for for therapy.

568
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 4: But nowadays, I've seen capable idols who are going through

569
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 4: you know, a mental breakdown or they just want to rest.

570
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 4: Companies are allowing them to, you know, sit out on tours,

571
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 4: sit on promotions. So yeah, things are changing.

572
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,919
Speaker 1: Yeah that's good. Yeah, that's really good. So after your training,

573
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 1: became a member of Singing in two thousand and six.

574
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 1: So how did it feel to finally be able to

575
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 1: use that training in a group.

576
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:13,399
Speaker 4: Well, I feel like when I debuted, I wasn't fully ready.

577
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 4: It was still you know, no, yeah, the view is

578
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:23,120
Speaker 4: far from our complete form. Well I don't think we're

579
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,239
Speaker 4: ever gonna you know, be our complete one because we're

580
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:29,880
Speaker 4: always evolving and changing. But but it was it was nice.

581
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 4: It was really cool to see how all my insecurity

582
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,440
Speaker 4: is growing up as a kid in America. And when

583
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 4: I moved to Korea, everything shifted. It just became the

584
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 4: opposite everything I thought I thought on myself, like as

585
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 4: a weakness was a strength. Like I guess I don't

586
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 4: know my fair skin or like my more I don't know.

587
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 4: Just yeah, everything that I thought was masculine in America,

588
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 4: everything was proceed as sexy and masculine, just the way

589
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 4: I was Korean so great.

590
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because being grown up in California, Yeah, and

591
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 1: you've always you know, you felt like an outsider, right,

592
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 1: and then going to South Korea, I would say I

593
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 1: would feel like you would find a little more of yourself,

594
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 1: but also feel like a little outsider because you're American. Yeah,

595
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: did you get treated differently because you did come from America?

596
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 4: Well, they they do praise anyone who you know is

597
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 4: fluent in English.

598
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 1: Oh so that was like it was a double.

599
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, you were double good.

600
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've got everything that they you know, like physically

601
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 4: or appearance wise. But they also liked that I was

602
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 4: from America. Yeah, but internally, yeah, there was a struggle

603
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 4: because no one really understood me or and I didn't

604
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 4: even understand myself at that age in my American and

605
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 4: my Korean. But I as I got older, I was

606
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 4: able to embrace both sides of me.

607
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, after a few years, became a member of

608
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 1: You Kiss. So that is the group you'd be with

609
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,959
Speaker 1: from two thousand and eight to twenty seventeen. Yes, I mean,

610
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: what an amazing experience that much? So how do you

611
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 1: describe that period of your life?

612
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 4: So that was when like the group Ucus really blew up.

613
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 4: We got our international fame. We started, you know, topping charts,

614
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 4: international charts. So that was like that was like a

615
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 4: big move for me, and that really changed my lifestyle

616
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 4: because that's when I really couldn't really go out because

617
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 4: you know, there were there were too many eyes, and

618
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 4: that's when I felt like, oh this is That's when

619
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 4: I got my little first taste of fame.

620
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, what was that like?

621
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 4: Overwhelming?

622
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 1: Was it more exciting or scared?

623
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 4: At first? It was it was exciting, but then uh yeah,

624
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 4: at a certain point, you know, everything all good things

625
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 4: kind of become it's the novelty.

626
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 2: At first, you're like, I'm recognizing. Yeah, after a while

627
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 2: becomes more of a burden.

628
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 1: I'm s yeah. Do you have any crazy fans stories?

629
00:30:55,560 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 4: Oh? Man, So in Korea there's a thing called like

630
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 4: sasang fans and this Hussang fans mean they are obsessed

631
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 4: with your private life and they follow you everywhere you go,

632
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 4: like they wait in front of your apartment or your house.

633
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 4: They write taxis around to follow where you go outside

634
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 4: of your work. They also like book the same flights

635
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 4: as you, like if we're writing like business or first

636
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 4: they would also book this next to us.

637
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, we have those type of fans, but they were

638
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:35,959
Speaker 1: mainly in Europe and you know like Germany, you know, England, Spain,

639
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: you'd have those type of fans. None ever booked flights

640
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 1: though with us, that's that's a level. Yeah, but we

641
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 1: really didn't see that much. We'd have the fans hanging

642
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: out with the hotels, but that's pretty much. But yeah,

643
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 1: the ones in Europe would follow you everywhere. You knew

644
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: them by name. Yeah, you almost become friends, like I

645
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 1: know you. I mean there's even u some Spanish fans

646
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 1: that we still keep in touch with them probably listen,

647
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 1: they listened to the show and it's just so fun

648
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 1: to see thirty years later, you know that that you

649
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 1: know we still know them exactly because it's a fun

650
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 1: ride we did together.

651
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,959
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's a special memory that you can never forget.

652
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, you brought up a Korean word for

653
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: the super fan, so I know there's different words for

654
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 1: K pop members. I know there's like icon, there's bias,

655
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 1: there's bias. You're biased in st member, I'm sure. Yeah,

656
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: of course it's your favorite.

657
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 4: You should be contemplating your life.

658
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, so give us the different terminologies for the different

659
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: members and fans, like what should we know?

660
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, so let's start off with Mangne. Mangne is like

661
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Speaker 4: the youngest member of the group.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I remember that from the last time you were here.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, like the Qutie Pie. But there's also Power Mangnes

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Speaker 4: for like, you know, they they think people think that

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Speaker 4: they're the cute ones, but then they're actually the ones

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Speaker 4: that are more you know, I guess I don't know,

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Speaker 4: they got like dominant vibes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, that would be me. Sorry, I guess it

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Speaker 1: would not be me.

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Speaker 4: Who was the youngest member is.

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Speaker 1: I'll be justin Oh wow, he probably had a lot

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Speaker 1: of terms. Yeah, he was one of the lead singers.

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Speaker 1: He was the youngest.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people's bias a.

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Speaker 4: Lot of people so Chunk from BTS is the mang

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Speaker 4: He's the youngest, but he would be called like the

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Speaker 4: Power mang thet because like he's he's like one of

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Speaker 4: the more in the most popular members in the group.

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Speaker 4: Was the Power He's yeah, and he's out doing solo

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Speaker 4: music and he's just living his best life. Like you

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Speaker 4: hear do you hear the song seven with and the

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Speaker 4: explicit version.

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Speaker 1: Oh I haven't heard the explicit there's an explicit version.

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Speaker 4: And I was like, oh wait, so came in.

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Speaker 1: So management's okay with that.

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Speaker 4: Now. Well, I think when you're BTS, I think you

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Speaker 4: could do whatever you want, okay. Yeah. Yeah, And he's

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Speaker 4: just out there, yeah, like I said, being his best life.

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Speaker 1: Do people look down on group members going solo or

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Speaker 1: is it supported? Support it?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's kind of like a newer concept. Though

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Speaker 4: it took longer for anyone in a you know, an

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Speaker 4: idol group to branch out to become a solo member.

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Speaker 4: But nowadays, yeah, even when they're promoting actively as a group,

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Speaker 4: they you know, they release solo music, and it's kind

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Speaker 4: of kind of getting similar to like the US to

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Speaker 4: like people want to see individual flavor and character.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what's about it. Yeah, I really I just

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Speaker 1: hope there's gonna be a girl band right around the corner,

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Speaker 1: Like we need another Spice Girls, we need another Destined Child. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's just I just love a girl group.

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Speaker 4: I love a girl I mean, my obsession was Fifth Harmony.

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Speaker 1: But they were the last kind of American one to

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Speaker 1: really work.

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Speaker 2: They were the last big American.

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Speaker 4: And now okay pop is kind of dominating that story.

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Speaker 1: To beat Black Pink Rat. They are just incredible headlining coach.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I was there. We're good friends, so like it's

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Speaker 4: also really interesting to kind of pick out her brain

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Speaker 4: to see what that level of fame is like.

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Speaker 1: But what how is she handling it?

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Speaker 4: She's still level headed and I'm still you know, I'm

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Speaker 4: still struck by it because like if I had a

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Speaker 4: hard back then, even now it should be even more

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Speaker 4: pressure because of social media and how much you have

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Speaker 4: to do to stay relevant.

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Speaker 1: But have you ever gotten in trouble with something you've

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Speaker 1: said in an interview or social media?

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Speaker 4: Not yet. Yeah, let's let's keep it. It makes them

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Speaker 4: headlines today today with the podcast.

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Speaker 1: What's interesting is now you Kiss is still going on today.

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Speaker 1: But it's kind of like Menudo. They've recast the group.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there was a new member. Even when I was

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Speaker 4: still in the group, we had a lot of member changes,

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Speaker 4: like four to five different.

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Speaker 2: Is that common in.

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Speaker 4: It's not too common, but.

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Speaker 1: The fans accept it.

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Speaker 4: Uh, it was harder for them to accept it back then,

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Speaker 4: but nowadays, I mean they still want the original member obviously,

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Speaker 4: but there's a new group well, not new. They've been

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Speaker 4: around for a while called NCT and what they did

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Speaker 4: with this group there, they have a very cool concept.

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Speaker 4: They are like an ever changing group, so they have

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Speaker 4: like an infinite number of like members, or they have

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Speaker 4: a lot of members. Actually NCT they have like over

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Speaker 4: twenty members, but there's like four to five or even

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Speaker 4: more different sub units with an NCT that's always changing.

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Speaker 4: There's NCT, Dreams, T you S, T one two seven. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: so it's this whole.

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Speaker 1: Thing where spinoffs.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the labels kind of got ahead of them, like, oh,

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Speaker 4: let's not continuously change the members and you know, break

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Speaker 4: the fans' hearts. Let's just make it that.

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Speaker 1: Is I thought of. Yeah, that's that's so forward thinking.

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Speaker 1: So after you kiss, you started the solo career. That

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Speaker 1: was twenty seventeen. How nerve wracking was that?

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Speaker 4: To go out on your own nerve wracking because going

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Speaker 4: solo within a group and within that label is one thing,

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Speaker 4: but to leave all that behind to start your own,

784
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Speaker 4: you know, story, your own adventure into the unknown is

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Speaker 4: also something else.

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Speaker 1: Who did you Who did you depend on during that moment?

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Speaker 1: Who is your like sounding board besides your family? Obviously?

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Speaker 4: Yeah there there really weren't any really because in K pop,

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Speaker 4: you know, the K pop idols usually stay in the

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Speaker 4: label for a while, or they stay in Korea because

791
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Speaker 4: you know, that's where you know, they're comfortable. But I

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Speaker 4: have a unique story, you know, because I'm Koreating American

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Speaker 4: and I've lived here, but I've also done the whole

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Speaker 4: k pop you know journey, and for me it was

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Speaker 4: just coming back. It was like a homecoming for me

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Speaker 4: to rebrand myself and also also to rediscover.

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Speaker 1: My Yeah, do you as a group, did y'all have

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Speaker 1: rivals or were all very supported? Did y'all have a

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Speaker 1: backstreet versus in sinc type situation? And who would have

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Speaker 1: been your rival?

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Speaker 4: Like?

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Speaker 1: What was the group? You're like, we got to stay

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Speaker 1: on top.

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Speaker 4: Oh man, so within the group or other groups, other groups,

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Speaker 4: other groups. So we debuted in an era where there

806
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Speaker 4: weren't too many like groups debuting in the year. Nowadays

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Speaker 4: you've got like four or five different groups debuting in

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Speaker 4: like a month. Yea, in my air in the second gen,

809
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Speaker 4: how do you stand out? I don't know, I really

810
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Speaker 4: don't know. It's hard to keep up. But in my

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Speaker 4: days there were only like three groups that debuted in

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Speaker 4: a year. So in our year it was a group

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Speaker 4: called Shiny and another group called two pm SO, which

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Speaker 4: which was so ridiculous because they were so different from us,

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Speaker 4: and every group had their very distinct, you know, qualities.

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Speaker 4: But because you were the only boy groups of the year,

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Speaker 4: the media would kind of put us together in like

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Speaker 4: this rivalry. But I was friends with all of them,

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Speaker 4: so it was weird to like see that happening online

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Speaker 4: and with the fans when we were all just cool

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Speaker 4: with each other.

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Speaker 1: What made Jaws group stand out? More like what was

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Speaker 1: the difference between for us?

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Speaker 4: We so we kind of had like for our group,

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Speaker 4: it took time for us to define our groups, like

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Speaker 4: like are we Yeah, it's it's likeok a while, but

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Speaker 4: at the end it was like just good pop music, uh,

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Speaker 4: and and really good performances. Our performances stood out, yeah,

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Speaker 4: thank you, thank you. And and the fact that we

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Speaker 4: could speak to seven different languages that made us international.

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Speaker 1: Did you pick up any other languages while you were

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Speaker 1: doing this? Japanese?

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Speaker 4: So yeah, I'm fluent in Japanese because it's also huge

834
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Speaker 4: in Latin America. So we did three America tours. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: visited Mexico, Peru, Colombia. So I mean, I'm glad I

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Speaker 4: took Spanish when I was a little kid, a little

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Speaker 4: bit of that.

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Speaker 1: I'm learning that now just because with the kids are

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Speaker 1: learning Spanish sol and I'm learning Mandarin.

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Speaker 4: Mandarin. Oh, how has that been going?

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Speaker 1: It's hard, but I just keep playing it for the

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00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 1: kids over and over. So I'm kind of it's I

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00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 1: know a lot of words now, but I'm just hoping

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Speaker 1: it just kind of gets in their brain and it's

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Speaker 1: easier for them to learn when they're a little older.

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Speaker 1: So that's my gift to them, is to give them

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Speaker 1: Mandarin in Spanish. That's what I want. Speaking of Japan,

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Speaker 1: our friend Shin just recently we're breaking news like a

849
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Speaker 1: few hours ago. I know, so excited that he has

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Speaker 1: come out publicly, which is very hard for a Japanese

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Speaker 1: artist to zoo. So what would you say to Shin

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Speaker 1: right now?

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Speaker 4: I am beyond proud. Proud is an understatement to you

854
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 4: know how I feel about his whole journey because we've

855
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 4: been best friends for over a decade. Because he was

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Speaker 4: in a group called Triple A, one of the biggest

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Speaker 4: idol groups in Japan, and you Kiss and Triple A

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00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 4: were in the same under the same label AVEX. So

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Speaker 4: that's how I met him. But yeah, he he came

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Speaker 4: out to me like a few years ago, just like

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00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 4: only maybe two years ago, and uh and at that

862
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 4: time he was still you know, going through it, you know,

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00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 4: telling his close friends family.

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Speaker 1: So this is he told me, he told you, I'm

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Speaker 1: always like to go to like, hey, let me run

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Speaker 1: this by you.

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Speaker 2: Like the gatekeeper.

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Speaker 1: I'm the gate keeper. Day is coming out the gate

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Speaker 1: keep the gate keep the gate. That's that's huge for

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Speaker 1: Japan because this is the first out musician.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, it's huge. He is a pioneer, a trailblazer

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00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 4: of that's going to change so much, so much.

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Speaker 1: And i mean it's only been a few hours, but

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Speaker 1: taking it.

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Speaker 4: So supportive everyone in the because he had the courage

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Speaker 4: to come out in front of his fans in person.

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Speaker 1: He did during the content, I just got children.

878
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 4: I got child too, because you know, these things, these

879
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 4: things are very personal and it's hard to even just

880
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 4: say it in front of a camera, but in a live,

881
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:27,879
Speaker 4: in person venue with his members there to support him

882
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 4: and everyone. He was crying obviously because you know, he

883
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 4: was telling a story and everyone was just so supportive.

884
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 4: Fans were crying, they said, we still love you. His

885
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 4: comments on Instagram are just blowing up right now.

886
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking of the amount of kids.

887
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 4: There and we'll see themselves.

888
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 1: Exactly and actually save people's lives, like someone some kid

889
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 1: out there is not taking their life today because of

890
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 1: that story. I mean, that's just it's it's great.

891
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 4: And it was. It's a great time. I mean too,

892
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 4: because there were a lot of you know, just political

893
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 4: and issues revolving the LGBTQ community in Japan, and it

894
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 4: could have had been a better time.

895
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:12,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'm seeing that all over the world

896
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: right now. You know, it's the lgbt Q plus community

897
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:20,760
Speaker 1: is being attacked in many countries, just politically attacked because

898
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 1: pep were you know, the Alt rights really trying to

899
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 1: get elected and so they always pick on the lgbt

900
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 1: community when that happens. I mean, America is getting real

901
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 1: dangerous here. This is the first time I think and

902
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 1: decades that now the HRC is saying there's certain states

903
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of states that they're saying don't

904
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 1: travel there. They're saying it's not safe for lgbt to

905
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 1: travel to states. Oh, I could never imagine that's the

906
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 1: world we're living in.

907
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 4: And as much as we think we're you know, but

908
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 4: you know, and.

909
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 1: I'm hoping that, you know, this is a tipping point,

910
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 1: because you know, the pendulum definitely swings far one way

911
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 1: and then it comes back, so hopefully, I don't know,

912
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 1: but it does. It does feel dangerous. This is the

913
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 1: first time I've actually been kind of scared to kind

914
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:07,919
Speaker 1: of to walk around certain places, you know, And it's

915
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 1: sad that I just finally got over not being afraid

916
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 1: to hold his hand in public, you know, because you're

917
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 1: so instilled in those things at a young age.

918
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 4: Like I so integrated in our brains. Yeah, but no

919
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 4: super partisan. So happy for him that he could finally

920
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 4: live his authentic life, just unapologetically himself. And it'll create

921
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:34,919
Speaker 4: conversations and it'll just yeah, it'll it'll.

922
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: Start going encourage because obviously there's more gay people and

923
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 1: musicians out there that just aren't out yet. So maybe

924
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 1: this will encourage them to be themselves.

925
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 4: Hey, when he comes back, let's let's yeah, let's go

926
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 4: to Yeah, we.

927
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 1: Got to do that. Now we have a really good excuse,

928
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: all right. So I mean there's nothing that you can't

929
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 1: do basically, I mean you music, TV hosting, acting. So

930
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 1: what are you going to focus on next?

931
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 4: So right now I am in development for a few

932
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:09,399
Speaker 4: film projects. Just took my first feature film. It's with

933
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 4: Margaret Cho and James Hong. I played a gay character

934
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:17,919
Speaker 4: and I fall in love with my love interest, who

935
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:25,760
Speaker 4: is David Burka Love David. Yeah, what an amazing time

936
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 4: and what an honor because you know, it's my first

937
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 4: feature film in America. So I think after my k

938
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 4: Pop Broadway run because that was last year it ended.

939
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 4: So having Broadway on my credit is also great.

940
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 5: To a career Broadway debut, that's amazing and so okay

941
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:51,760
Speaker 5: because I know what it's like to launch a musical.

942
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 1: It is very difficult. It's difficult many many years. So

943
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 1: congrats for it getting.

944
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:03,760
Speaker 4: Because k Pop took a decade to transition over to Broadway,

945
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 4: because k Pop started on off Broadway. Yeah yeah, and

946
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:10,320
Speaker 4: it was a long journey, a long time in the making,

947
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 4: but we made it on Broadway. We made history, as

948
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 4: you know, the first Korean story to be told on Broadway.

949
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 4: First all Asian casts, yeah, first Asian woman composer, Yeah,

950
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 4: on Broadway. So yeah, so many monumental you're.

951
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 1: Just breaking the glass ceiling all over the place.

952
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 4: That whole journey was amazing. So yeah, you know, I've

953
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 4: only I've only been back in the States for like

954
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 4: a little over a year and a half now, so

955
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 4: it's really interesting to see how, you know, my career

956
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 4: will shift back home, and I just feel so comfortable

957
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 4: and liberated here literally the disguise the limits.

958
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 1: And you seem so happy, You're still so young, like

959
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 1: you've done so much this You've had such a long

960
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 1: career already. When you when you look back at everything

961
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:01,319
Speaker 1: that you've accomplished so far, or what are you the

962
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 1: most proud of right now?

963
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 4: Just my self growth. I'm very proud of myself to

964
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 4: see how far I've come. And you know, it's weird

965
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 4: because I think CAPA made me think I'm old because

966
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 4: I started at such a young age. But yeah, I'm

967
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 4: only thirty, I know, and I just got here.

968
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 3: I know, normal people don't start like their the profession

969
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:25,840
Speaker 3: at fifteen.

970
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:30,399
Speaker 1: But so true, and especially in the pop world. I remember, God,

971
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 1: I was maybe twenty six or twenty seven when I

972
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 1: first realized, like, wait, you'll think I'm old, like because

973
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 1: people someone like nineteen twenty is like, oh, they're like

974
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 1: they're old, they're ancient. I'm like, I'm twenty six years old. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

975
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:43,880
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? Children?

976
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 4: But I love how I get to just redefine my

977
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 4: I guess my my future career with the new passion

978
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 4: as well, and also a fresh mindset. Yeah, there's just

979
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:57,839
Speaker 4: so much to look forward to.

980
00:49:58,200 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 1: That's great. I love it.

981
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 4: And I'm also doing Cakeon, so you guys should definitely

982
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 4: Cakon is August eighteenth through twentieth. So I'm performing. She said,

983
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:13,840
Speaker 4: you're not here, It'll be at the You're in Orlando.

984
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're in Orlando.

985
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's held annually at the Crypto dot Com Arena.

986
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 4: I'm performing. I have my own panel. Oh yeah, I

987
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 4: wish you guys could make it.

988
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 1: Yes, we'll be in Orlando. We're with mister Joey Fatone.

989
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 1: He does his Joey Platon and Friends at Epcot every year,

990
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:31,800
Speaker 1: so I'm going to be one of the friends to

991
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 1: pop up and sing with him.

992
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:34,360
Speaker 4: Awesome, Oh my god.

993
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 1: I'm going to do Yeah. I'm going to open up

994
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 1: with old Man River.

995
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 4: Send my regards because my first podcast was with Joey.

996
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 1: Did you do it with him and the other Joe?

997
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 4: Was it?

998
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:45,359
Speaker 1: Cup of two Joe?

999
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:48,240
Speaker 4: Yes, two Joe's. This is during the pandemic, my first

1000
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 4: ever podcast appearance, and then we partied together at at Roccos.

1001
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I remember, definitely.

1002
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1003
00:50:57,719 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 1: All right, we need a frosted tip here for you.

1004
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 1: The fans want to know. What are some tips you

1005
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:06,399
Speaker 1: have and overcoming your fears of doing something you find intimidating.

1006
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 1: I would I would like dance. You don't know how

1007
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 1: to dance. So it's like, what was that fear? Like,

1008
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 1: how do you get over I.

1009
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 4: Know, how do I get over that? How did I

1010
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 4: get over that?

1011
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 8: God?

1012
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 1: You can't probably think about it.

1013
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:20,879
Speaker 2: You just gotta do it.

1014
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 4: My best advice just do it. Yeah, just do it.

1015
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 1: It's crazy what you can get yourself to do, especially

1016
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:31,319
Speaker 1: when you're focused on something you're interested. It's you can

1017
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 1: you can force yourself to do anything.

1018
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 3: It's true, but it's also at the same time, like

1019
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 3: your mind will also force you to like not do

1020
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 3: so many things.

1021
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 2: For no real good reason, just like because fear.

1022
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:42,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it's just a feeling, but it'll stop

1023
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 3: you from doing something that you could very easily do.

1024
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 4: Yeah. You know, for me, it took a while for

1025
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:53,800
Speaker 4: me to really just embrace my like fears and insecurities.

1026
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 4: It took time, but you know, anyone in their teens,

1027
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 4: I would just say, you know, what, life is short,

1028
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 4: go for it, you know. And like I used to

1029
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 4: think and like care about what other people thought so much,

1030
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 4: But to be honest and from experience, guys, it really

1031
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 4: doesn't matter.

1032
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 1: And as much as I tell myself that over and over,

1033
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:16,759
Speaker 1: it's still catch myself caring too much. YEA was like,

1034
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 1: oh God, like why do I care? It doesn't matter.

1035
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 4: And the people that and the people who do say

1036
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 4: stuff that's just their insecurities, Yeah, that they're putting it

1037
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:26,320
Speaker 4: on themselves.

1038
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I think I still have that like PTSD

1039
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 1: type brain where you do in the nineties early two thousands,

1040
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:34,439
Speaker 1: like you were so you had to be this person, right,

1041
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 1: and I keep catching myself being that person for someone else.

1042
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:39,919
Speaker 4: I'm still in that era too.

1043
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 3: But it's yeah, like like you can have like a

1044
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 3: hundred like amazing comments, but someone will write one bad

1045
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 3: comment about you and that everyone, and then that one

1046
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 3: is the only one you will focus.

1047
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 1: On because you've got to win them over.

1048
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 3: They think, I'm like, well then what about the hundred

1049
00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:58,319
Speaker 3: other people that's that other one?

1050
00:52:58,320 --> 00:52:59,320
Speaker 2: Why are you even looking at that?

1051
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 1: Because you're just as a people pleaser. Yeah, And and

1052
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:06,400
Speaker 1: and being within sync and then having the competition with

1053
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 1: battery boys. You know, if you had a hater, like

1054
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 1: especially the guys, right, of course, you're not going to

1055
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 1: win many guys over, but you so desperately wanted to. Yeah,

1056
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 1: you're like, why do you hate me? I need you to,

1057
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,879
Speaker 1: like to myself I do and focus on that more

1058
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:20,839
Speaker 1: than the actual people that care about.

1059
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 2: You, exactly.

1060
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 1: It's ridiculous. All right, here's some fan questions. Uh the

1061
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 1: man do Lorian.

1062
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 4: That's like dumpling, Like.

1063
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 1: What was your trainee experience, Like we can about that.

1064
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, very rigorous training process, but it was really fun.

1065
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 4: I was I was young. I had a lot of

1066
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 4: energy that I wish that I would still have something

1067
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 4: like and I still wish I could have.

1068
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 1: Did they ever did you ever get to the point

1069
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:57,359
Speaker 1: where you threw up?

1070
00:53:59,400 --> 00:53:59,720
Speaker 4: No?

1071
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 1: I did that the first time I was with the

1072
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 1: guys maybe for a week or two. They're like, we're

1073
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:06,319
Speaker 1: going to go to the gym, which is another thing

1074
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:08,879
Speaker 1: I've never done. Like, okay, so we're dancing and we're

1075
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 1: gonna work out great good So, you know, work out

1076
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 1: for the first time, and I'm like, wow, I'm like

1077
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 1: lifting heavy than I ever thought, Like, this is why

1078
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 1: have I not been doing this? Right?

1079
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 4: Maybe you push yourself.

1080
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:22,360
Speaker 1: The next week, I could not get off the futon

1081
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 1: I lived on in Chris kah Patrick's room. Could not move.

1082
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 1: I was so sore and I was throwing up from

1083
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:31,280
Speaker 1: the pain. It was. It was bad.

1084
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:34,720
Speaker 4: Actually, I almost threw up doing a first CrossFit experience.

1085
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, oh yeah, but that's different from my training.

1086
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:38,879
Speaker 2: I can't. I won't even drive.

1087
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 1: My body can't take that. I'm at an age now

1088
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 1: where I know what I can do and I cannot

1089
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:43,799
Speaker 1: do that.

1090
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 4: Uh.

1091
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:47,919
Speaker 1: What was your first exposure to pop music that made

1092
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 1: you want to pursue K pop? By Maddie one DP.

1093
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:52,880
Speaker 4: I think we discussed.

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Speaker 1: That maybe we just start with fan questions, so we

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Speaker 1: just edit everything, so we answered everyone just one about

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Speaker 1: twenty minutes. Yeah, all right, this is from Nam Juni

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Speaker 1: for pres. Do you feel like, uh oh, do you

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Speaker 1: feel like thanks to K pop nineties mail groups are

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Speaker 1: making a comeback? Oh yeah, I think so.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I agree with that because.

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Speaker 4: There's so much demand in boy bands.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I think K pop, you know, with you

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Speaker 1: guys and BTS and Black Pink, people are interested in that.

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Speaker 1: Those groups yeah again and so yeah. And I think

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Speaker 1: Backstreet Boys blew up again because of that.

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Speaker 4: Well I wouldn't yeah, wouldn't say just because of K pop,

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Speaker 4: but definitely influences.

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Speaker 2: It helps.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it definitely does.

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Speaker 4: And also within like the K pop realm too, K

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Speaker 4: pop because it's so big now. It kind of made

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Speaker 4: people nostalgic of the older K pop groups like ten

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Speaker 4: to fifteen years ago. So they're making comebacks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Like my group just.

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Speaker 4: Made a comeback as well. Yeah, it's our fifteenth year anniversary.

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Speaker 1: So what are y'all doing for that?

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Speaker 4: So I was unfortunately, I was busy with the Broadway

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Speaker 4: musical and I was also shooting movies.

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Speaker 1: So I couldn't like being too VISI.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I wanted to be with them, uh of course,

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Speaker 4: like over here. No, it was a bummer that I

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Speaker 4: couldn't really you know, you know, be in the comeback album.

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Speaker 4: But they're doing a concert, they're on tour right now. Nice.

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Speaker 1: And do you just keep in touch with those guys?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? And I sent them my video messages for them

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Speaker 4: to show at the concert, you know, my fans, and

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Speaker 4: they're like our fans would be like.

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Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, that's great. Is your family still up in

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Speaker 1: the Bay Area?

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Speaker 4: No, so my whole family moved to create when I.

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Speaker 1: Was they're all in Korea.

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Speaker 4: But then I'm slowly moving them one by Yeah. I'm

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Speaker 4: with my dad right now in l A.

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Speaker 1: Oh good, so you want them in l A.

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Speaker 4: Yeah cool. My sister and my mom will joined soon.

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Speaker 1: That's nice. It's I mean nothing like having family around you.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you can create your own family, but having

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Speaker 1: your real family around it's so Yeah. The drill we're

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Speaker 1: thinking now because you know, we have the kids and

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Speaker 1: you know it's so nice and families over here, but

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00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 1: we're so far away from them California, So eventually we

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Speaker 1: would like to get a little closer. So we're looking

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Speaker 1: at places like Austin or Dallas or Nashville that's closer

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Speaker 1: to our families. And that would just be so nice

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Speaker 1: to be able to have my family move to whatever

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Speaker 1: town we moved to. I love that to have Grandma

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Speaker 1: next door. You know, any time we need, I would

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Speaker 1: actually get some sleep and a vacation. Kevin is always

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Speaker 1: great to catch up. Please tell your fans what you

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00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:36,479
Speaker 1: need to tell them right now. And how can everyone

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Speaker 1: stay in touch with you?

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00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:41,920
Speaker 4: Oh yeah? Follow me on my socials. I'm on Instagram, Twitter, YouTube,

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00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 4: and my upcoming projects. Like I mentioned, I'm doing Cacon

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Speaker 4: so you can see me there in August. Other than that,

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Speaker 4: look forward to my upcoming films and I'm also working

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Speaker 4: on a short film that's going to be really soon.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, there's a lot of things to look forward to.

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Speaker 4: And I hope I get to meet you guys on

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Speaker 4: tour soon because I'm running new music as well.

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Speaker 1: All right, I love that. Well, it's always great to

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Speaker 1: see you. And well we can't wait ty you back

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Speaker 1: to kind of follow up on all the things that

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Speaker 1: all the five hundred things that you're doing.

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Speaker 4: Once everything gets back to some we have we have time.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you for having me, Thanks for being everybody.

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Speaker 1: Thank you mister Kevin.

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Speaker 3: Everyone we say it all the time, but he is

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Speaker 3: such a nice guy.

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Speaker 1: Such I mean, I might have to say the nicest

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Speaker 1: we've ever had.

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Speaker 2: I think you might be the nicest human beings ever.

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Speaker 1: Is just such a good guy. You know, we've I've

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Speaker 1: known him for a few years ago on our last show,

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Speaker 1: and you know, we've kept in touch here in Los Angeles.

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Speaker 1: And he introduced me his best friend Shinn, who we

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Speaker 1: talked about, who just came out Japan, and that's such

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00:58:59,920 --> 00:59:04,200
Speaker 1: a big deal, Like Shin is huge in Japan. It's

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Speaker 1: like a BTS member coming out. It's just changes.

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Speaker 2: At I know, and in a like a country, but

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Speaker 2: that's not all it's.

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00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like America in the eighties. It's like it's

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Speaker 1: no bueno. You can't be gay or you're just considered

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Speaker 1: an outcast. So yeah, So congratulations to him, and congratulations

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Speaker 1: Kevin Kick.

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Speaker 2: You know, I can't wait to see all of his projects.

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Speaker 1: Kind he is. He's a brilliant man, super talented, and

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Speaker 1: we're going to see a lot from this young man

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Speaker 1: in the future. All Right, guys, that is all the

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Speaker 1: show I have for you. What a good day, great day.

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Speaker 1: It's a hot day.

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Speaker 2: It's a good day.

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Speaker 1: That's a great hot day, a great hot day. But

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Speaker 1: it's a great day to have a great day.

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Speaker 4: Great.

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Speaker 2: I love that.

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Speaker 1: I love it. That's how we start every morning. It is.

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Speaker 1: It is a great day to have a great day.

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Speaker 1: All right, guys, be good to each other out there,

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Speaker 1: don't drink and drive, take care of those animals. We'll

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Speaker 1: see you next time. But don't forget stay for asted.

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Speaker 1: You missed it literally again, I literally forgot what it was,

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