1 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: Good morning. I'm Brian Curtis and I'm Doug Krisner. Here 2 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 1: are the stories we're following today. 3 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 2: US service sector activity rising to a six month high 4 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 2: in August. It was boosted by a pickup in new 5 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:17,959 Speaker 2: orders and hiring. We heard from ISM Services PMI chair 6 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 2: Anthony Navis. 7 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 3: I think this is actually better than what we've seen historically. 8 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 3: We see usually a field waning in the summer months 9 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 3: as people are on vacation. There's not as much hiring 10 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:34,520 Speaker 3: until September, which is typically the pivotal month of going 11 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:37,599 Speaker 3: into the last quarter. And what we see now is 12 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:40,520 Speaker 3: this is even better than what we've seen pre pandemic 13 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 3: levels at that August threshold. 14 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 2: Today's services reading put the pressure on US stocks, the 15 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 2: S and P five hundred closing below forty five hundred, 16 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 2: the Nasdaq one hundred falling about one percent. 17 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: We go to the Fed next and the latest Beige 18 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 1: Book survey on the economy. It shows modest growth now 19 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 1: in terms of the labor market, while the survey indicates 20 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 1: a bit of slowing not too surprising in July and August, 21 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:08,319 Speaker 1: and at the same time, many businesses saying they expect 22 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:11,399 Speaker 1: wage growth to ease broadly in the near term. So 23 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 1: what does this mean for the Fed's path. Well, Former 24 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:18,679 Speaker 1: Saint Louis Fedbank president Jim Bullard says the inflation fight 25 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 1: isn't over yet. 26 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:23,680 Speaker 3: It's probably wise from a risk management perspective, and probably 27 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:25,119 Speaker 3: necessary based on. 28 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 4: The data that we've gotten, that they keep that extra 29 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:28,320 Speaker 4: rate hike in there. 30 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 1: That is Jim Bullard. Meantime, the head of the Boston FED, 31 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: Susan Collins, was saying more tightening may be needed and 32 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 1: policymakers must be patient as they assess the data. 33 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:38,759 Speaker 5: Now. 34 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:43,639 Speaker 1: The FED next gathers September nineteenth and the twentieth Brian Well. 35 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 2: Authorities in China and Japan are stepping up efforts to 36 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 2: defend their currencies against the surging US dollar. We've heard 37 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 2: from Bloomberg's Eddie vanderwaldt we've. 38 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 6: Seen the dollar rally something like four and a half 39 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 6: percent from the middle of July right and the dollar 40 00:01:56,880 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 6: straights really coming back. That will reverberate across markets. Means 41 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 6: that people are looking for some sort of haven. I 42 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 6: think at the moment, though, the driving falls behind the 43 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 6: narrative is that that we were starting to see the 44 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:10,640 Speaker 6: risk of inflation coming back, you know, with oil prices 45 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 6: and so on, and that's feeding through into Asian currencies 46 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 6: in particular, and it's forced the Bank of Japan to 47 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 6: talk up the risks of you know, the potential for intervention, 48 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 6: and it's it's forced in China, you know, a lower 49 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 6: fixing than people had expected. 50 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 2: Bloomberg's Eddie vander waht the yen has slumped by nearly 51 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 2: eight percent versus the greenback since the middle of July, 52 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:34,839 Speaker 2: and yue is down more than six percent since May. 53 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 2: Trading here for the offshore at seven thirty two oh 54 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:40,919 Speaker 2: four and Doug that's getting pretty close to the monthly 55 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 2: low of about seven thirty four. The PBOC doesn't say 56 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:47,799 Speaker 2: too much, but you know that they're feeling it a bit. 57 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: Most definitely, we've moved to the Chinese trade data next. 58 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 1: Exports and imports probably both fell in the month of August, 59 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: as China experienced a lot more in the way of 60 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 1: pressure on growth. Bloomberg's has more from Hong Kong. 61 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 7: Economists say exports likely fell nine point nine percent year 62 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 7: on year in the months. That would be a narrower 63 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 7: decline than the fourteen and a half percent drop in July. 64 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 7: Analysts say it's largely due to a lower base of 65 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 7: comparison from last year, when exports started to slow visibly. Meanwhile, 66 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:21,639 Speaker 7: a steeper decline in imports is expected because of softening 67 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 7: domestic demand, and that's likely being squeezed by the housing slump. Overall, 68 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:29,359 Speaker 7: across the board, weakness and trade would underline the need 69 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 7: for broader and more forceful policy support in Hong Kong 70 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 7: and joined one Bloomberg Radio Well. 71 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 2: Apple suffered its worst stock decline in a month, dropping 72 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 2: three point six percent in this latest session. It followed 73 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 2: a report that the Chinese government is barring staff from 74 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 2: using the company's iPhones at work. We get more here 75 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 2: from Bloomberg's ed La blow the. 76 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 8: Wall Street Journal reporting that some central agencies in China 77 00:03:55,240 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 8: have issued directives via chat rooms and in meetings that 78 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 8: they should replace their mobile device in the event it 79 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 8: is a foreign device, not just an Apple iPhone, but 80 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 8: a non domestic device. I would say remember that Bloomberg 81 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 8: reported in May of last year that Beijing offered a 82 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 8: two year deadline or term limit for state corporations and 83 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 8: indeed government agencies to swap out their foreign brand personal 84 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 8: computers for a domestic brand, so this is not necessarily 85 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 8: an unprecedented move. 86 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 2: That's bloomberg ed Ludlow. Apple's iPhones are among China's bestsellers 87 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:38,159 Speaker 2: and are common in both the government and private sector. 88 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 2: And if you missed it, as we mentioned, Apple shares 89 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 2: down more than three and a half percent in New York. 90 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: Well state side of US lawmakers is saying Chinese chip 91 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 1: makers SMICK may have violated sanctions by supplying components to Huawei. 92 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 1: The story from Bloomberg's Baniau in Hong Kong. 93 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 9: US Congressman Michael McColl says SMIC Warren's investigation. This news 94 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 9: comes after s SMIC and Huawei recently built a seven 95 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 9: nanometer processor to power Huawei's latest smartphone. Existing rules require 96 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 9: any company that intends to supply Huawei with US technology 97 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 9: to get approval from Washington. It's unclear whether SMIC has 98 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:18,840 Speaker 9: a US license to supply Huawei in Hong Kong. I'm 99 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 9: Bonnie Al Bloomberg Radio. 100 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:23,280 Speaker 2: I'm Brian Curtis along with Doug Christner and Rashad Salama 101 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 2: will be joining us in a few moments, so Doug 102 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 2: in that service's data the price is paid component moving 103 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 2: up a couple of points there, so that wasn't too 104 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:35,159 Speaker 2: pleasing to investors. If you put that together with the 105 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 2: higher oil price, all of a sudden you've got these 106 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 2: new concerns now about whether this will nudge the FED 107 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 2: off of hold So that's something we can talk about 108 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 2: with Steve Matthews coming up in a few moments, Bloomberg's 109 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 2: Economics Reporter. 110 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:49,720 Speaker 1: The other thing you have to consider is whether or 111 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 1: not these higher rates are going to add more stress 112 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: to the financial system, and there was an interesting piece 113 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 1: from Bloomberg Intelligence indicating that US regional banks may need 114 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 1: to raise significant amount of additional debt to comply with 115 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 1: new regulatory requirements. We're talking about sixty three billion worth. 116 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 1: This would be new holding company debt on the part 117 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: of eighteen regional lenders, and this extra capital might not 118 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 1: be enough, in the words of bi to prevent future failures. 119 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very interesting, and it also brings me back 120 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 2: to that story you mentioned yesterday about the reduction in 121 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 2: the Fed's balance sheet by more than a trillion dollars. 122 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 2: That's also something we talked to to Steve about a 123 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 2: couple of other stories that we'll get to a little 124 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 2: bit later. Morgan Stanley is now returning to its parish 125 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 2: view on emerging markets, particularly em currencies, and of course 126 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:44,479 Speaker 2: it's citing China. Another story. Sources say Great Wall Motor 127 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 2: is looking to sell at stake in Smult Energy Technologies 128 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:52,839 Speaker 2: that's a battery maker, and its IPO might be delayed, 129 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 2: and that's part of the broader story, Doug, that China 130 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 2: is slowing IPOs to try to help its markets. 131 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:01,719 Speaker 1: And you pointed out on our production call earlier, Brian, 132 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 1: that Oak Tree Capital Management co founder Howard Marx was 133 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 1: expecting more companies to default on their debt. That's interesting 134 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: as well. 135 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, time now for global news. Asian leaders have 136 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 2: expressed disappointment over the absence of President Joe Biden at 137 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 2: the summit. Let's get to head boxer in San Francisco 138 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 2: in the nine sixty newsroom ed. 139 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:27,679 Speaker 10: Yeah, that officially will appear in the statement released after 140 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 10: the summit. Meanwhile, the US has sent Vice President Kamala 141 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 10: Harris saying economic growth in the region is paramount. 142 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 11: You have made it a priority for Asian to deliver 143 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 11: concrete results with a particular emphasis on economic growth, and 144 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 11: you have been a strong partner as we work to 145 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 11: restore ian Mar's. 146 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 10: Path to plagcy and Chinese primarily. Chang highlighted China's strong 147 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 10: ties with Southeast Asia during the meetings, saying asion has 148 00:07:54,880 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 10: challenged by isn't challenged by increasingly complicated geopolitical landscape. He 149 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 10: also saw some talk about the differences between China and 150 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 10: Japan on the release of the treated wastewater from Fukushima, 151 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 10: Japan's Prime Minister of Fumio Kishita saying the utmost attention 152 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 10: of safety is being paid, and Chinese President Lee saying 153 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 10: that Japan needs to consult more closely with neighbors regarding 154 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 10: safety and feelings in the region. It looks very much 155 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 10: as if US President Joe Biden is cleared ahead of 156 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 10: the G twenty and India tomorrow. White House spokesman Kareein 157 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 10: Jean Pierre here with the latest COVID test. 158 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 5: The President tested negative for COVID nineteen this morning, following 159 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 5: negative tests on Monday night and also yesterday. He is 160 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 5: not experiencing any symptoms, which of course is a good thing. 161 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 10: First, Lady Jill continues to recover from COVID in their 162 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 10: home in Delaware. A group of voters in Colorado is 163 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 10: suing to block Donald Trump from state ballots in twenty 164 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 10: twenty four because of his efforts to overturn the results 165 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 10: of the election in twenty twenty. They say it is 166 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 10: a constitutional issue. A federal judge has ruled that Donald 167 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 10: Trump is liable is liable for defeidning E Jean Carroll 168 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 10: while he was president. What this means is that on 169 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 10: damages will be decided only in the jury trial in January. 170 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 10: Mean while in Georgia, Judge McAfee has denied a request 171 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 10: to separate co defendants Kenneth Chesbro and Sidney Powell and 172 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 10: ordered them to stand trial together. 173 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 12: So, based on what's been presented today, I'm not finding 174 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 12: the severance from mister Chesboro or Powell is necessary to 175 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 12: achieve a fair determination of the guilty innocence for either 176 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 12: defendant in this case. 177 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 10: So the date sat. October twenty third. Justice Department is 178 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 10: planning to file charges against Hunter Biden Bloomberg's Nancy Lyons 179 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 10: as the update. 180 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 13: An indictment of Hunter Biden is expected by the end 181 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 13: of the month. That's according to documents filed in a 182 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 13: Delaware court by Special counsel David Weiss. Biden the son 183 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 13: of President Biden, had agreed in principle to plead guilty 184 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 13: to federal tax charges and enter a pre trial diversion 185 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 13: agreement related to a gun charge, but that plea deal 186 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 13: collapse back in July. 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And our guest 197 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 2: is Steve Matthews, Bloomberg Economics reporter Steve O. Wise one. 198 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:37,839 Speaker 2: I know that there are thousands of tiles in this 199 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 2: FED mosaic, but all of a sudden now, I mean, 200 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 2: even with the complexity, it seems like with the prices 201 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 2: paid component in the services data, with the oil price 202 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:50,959 Speaker 2: ticking up, that it looks like the FED pause may 203 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:51,680 Speaker 2: be threatened. 204 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 4: Is that the case, Well, the pause is definitely not 205 00:10:57,040 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 4: threatened for September. I think they have clearly signaled that 206 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 4: they're on pause this month. I think the real question 207 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 4: is what happens in November. And there's still a lot 208 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 4: of time to go. So, yes, you're going to get 209 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:15,559 Speaker 4: some higher inflation figures with higher oil prices. Uh, you know, 210 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:21,199 Speaker 4: and there is considerable worry, as you quoted Jim Bullard 211 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 4: of the formerly the Saint Louis FED earlier saying, you know, 212 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 4: they might pencil in one more rate hike, and that 213 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 4: seems to be very plausible. I mean, they had one 214 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 4: more hike in when they did the last set of 215 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 4: forecasts in June, and they may want to keep that 216 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 4: option open for November. And the rate rate markets have 217 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 4: suggested that there's a higher possibility of a hike in 218 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:53,560 Speaker 4: November than there was even you know, in the last 219 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:56,319 Speaker 4: few days, because you've just been getting really strong data, 220 00:11:56,360 --> 00:12:01,200 Speaker 4: including today's im services data which showed you know, the 221 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 4: services sectors looking pretty strong. 222 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 10: Yeah, but Steve, you know, with every bit of data, 223 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 10: you get something which contradicts it. 224 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 2: And as to a certain extent, the Fed base book 225 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 2: did that. 226 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, you you are absolutely correct. I mean the base 227 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 4: book is kind of a puzzle because it's like, you know, 228 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:24,559 Speaker 4: if you look at economic surprise indexes, which measure is 229 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 4: the economic data the real data coming in, you know, 230 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 4: higher or lower than expectations. It's coming in strong, way 231 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 4: better than expectations. And you know, you have the Atlanta 232 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 4: Feds GDP tracker suggesting that you could get five percent 233 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 4: or more growth. You know, it's early in the quarter, 234 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 4: so it could could easily and almost certainly come down, 235 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 4: but you know, it's consistent with a very strong quarter. 236 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 4: And then the base book comes out and which is 237 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:59,680 Speaker 4: basically just anecdotal reports from the twelve districts of the 238 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 4: Fed banks, and it's pretty downbeat. It's you know, the 239 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 4: growth is modest, and consumers are under pressure, and you know, 240 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 4: wages are headed lower, so all of the if it 241 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 4: was just the basebook, it would be very consistent with 242 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:22,320 Speaker 4: a dubbish outcome and no more hikes. But the real 243 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 4: data is coming in stronger. 244 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 2: So if we see stronger news is good news now 245 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 2: bad news for markets, both the stock and bond markets. 246 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 4: I'm not sure it's that clear because I think what 247 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 4: in the end, what they're really targeting is inflation. There 248 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 4: is a belief among the FED leadership that it's going 249 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 4: to take below trend growth to get inflation back to 250 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 4: their two percent target. However, you know, that's just a 251 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 4: tactic if they if inflation comes down on its own, 252 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 4: And you know, there are a lot of economists who 253 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 4: believe that inflation was artificially lifted by COVID and the 254 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:08,320 Speaker 4: responses to COVID and all the fiscal spending which is 255 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 4: all kind of winding down. You know, there's entirely a 256 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:16,559 Speaker 4: possibility that maybe they don't need to go higher, maybe 257 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 4: they just keep at a high level for longer. So 258 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 4: I think there's a clear debate. And when you listen 259 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 4: to the Fed officials, you know, on the one hand, 260 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 4: you have people like Boston Goolsby and the Chicago and 261 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 4: Rafael Bostik of Atlanta, who are pretty clearly saying, not 262 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 4: go so fast, we don't necessarily need to do more. 263 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 4: And then there's an entire another element. 264 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, there is that other element. But I was surprised 265 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 2: to see yesterday and we played the comments from Christopher 266 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 2: Waller quite a bit that he's crossed over to perhaps 267 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 2: pausing and assessing. Steve, thank you for joining the Steve 268 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 2: Matthews Bloomberg Economics Reporter. 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