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Speaker 1: of Mick Shots. I am Bill Jones inside not inside
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Speaker 1: I am inside the Academy Sports and Outdoors studios here
Speaker 1: at Forge Center at the Star in Frisco. Along with
Speaker 1: Mickey Spagnola and Mickey, we have two very special guest
Speaker 1: on Mick Shots, not only today and tomorrow, as we'd
Speaker 1: got the great Dave Hellman and the great Heckma Harrison
Speaker 1: inside their respective SWC Mortgage studios at home. How you doing, David, Heckma,
Speaker 1: I'm great. I'm thrilled to be here with y'all. Bringing
Speaker 1: some young flavor to the whole show. That's a good idea.
Speaker 1: Mickey needs some young flavor. Always need young flavor. They
Speaker 1: helped me with technology, right and Heckma, how you doing? Man?
Speaker 1: This is this is awesome. You know, I got my
Speaker 1: I got my bones here on talking Cowboys with with Mickey.
Speaker 1: He initiated me. You know, I thought that I was
Speaker 1: you know, I thought I was in with Mickey, you know,
Speaker 1: I really did. Um. I thought I'd made a friendship.
Speaker 1: But since I've left, I hadn't heard from him. So
Speaker 1: you know, look, I'm just glad to be back with
Speaker 1: the game. All right. I thought i'd give Dave and
Speaker 1: Heckma the first chance because Mickey was talking right off
Speaker 1: the top of the show as if it's his own
Speaker 1: show or something. But Mickey, you have your cowboy gear
Speaker 1: on inside your own studio there, I do, uh and
Speaker 1: ready to go. So what do we calling this? Is
Speaker 1: this like a swap we swap in teammates something like it? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think yeah, Nick Nick called it a scramble on
Speaker 1: our show. I think that's I don't play golf, but
Speaker 1: that sounds fair. Yeah, it's like a Cowboys dot Com
Speaker 1: scramble if you will, and I'll go with that. Dab
Speaker 1: you get your whole Cowboys Hawaii shirt on. Well, you
Speaker 1: know it's a pandemic unfortunately, so you know we're gonna
Speaker 1: get some downtime during the bye week, but I doubt
Speaker 1: I'll be able to go anywhere. So I feel like
Speaker 1: the bye week is a place of mine this year.
Speaker 1: So I'm trying to conjure up some memories of Hyre
Speaker 1: you go, there, you go. I like that, You know, Bill,
Speaker 1: we should have wore We should have wore in memory
Speaker 1: of our trip to London, because I think November ninth
Speaker 1: was the game that they played in in twenty sixteen
Speaker 1: or twenty fourteen. Should have worn some of our London gear.
Speaker 1: This is kind of the weak anniversary of it. You
Speaker 1: could have worn a London fog trench coat on the
Speaker 1: show there, Mickey. Hey, you know Bill, when when I
Speaker 1: when I mentioned we were swapping, it occurred to me
Speaker 1: And this might go past these guys, But in nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy three, remember when the Yankee pitchers did the wife swap. Yes,
Speaker 1: Prince Peterson and Mike Kek Yes, absolutely so little history
Speaker 1: for these guys, right, teammates definitely going starting teammates on
Speaker 1: the New York Yankees pitching staff. And they announced at
Speaker 1: training camp in seventy three they were swapping wives. That
Speaker 1: sounds like some reality TV shows. They were ahead of
Speaker 1: their time, did we ever find out how that worked
Speaker 1: out for him. It worked out for Peterson and Mike
Speaker 1: Keeck's wife, but not so much the other way out,
Speaker 1: all Right. The reason that I am sporting a tie
Speaker 1: is it's once, actually twice a week I have to
Speaker 1: wear a tie these days. Once is when I on
Speaker 1: Tuesday nights, usually as we pull back the curtain, I
Speaker 1: tape to Mike McCarthy show here inside the Academy Sports
Speaker 1: and Outdoors studios. And then on Sunday morning, I do
Speaker 1: a show, a Cowboys Game Day show on CBS eleven.
Speaker 1: That's the only time they let me in to the
Speaker 1: CBS eleven studios over the course of the last six
Speaker 1: months is on Sunday morning. And then the only time
Speaker 1: really I get into this studio a couple of times
Speaker 1: for we do a high school show on Wednesdays, but
Speaker 1: McCarthy decided he didn't want to spend a late Tuesday
Speaker 1: night here today, so we're actually taping the show. We're
Speaker 1: supposed to tape it at two o'clock, So that's why
Speaker 1: I'm in here. And who knows the last fifteen minutes
Speaker 1: of the show. Maybe y'all can listen in and watch
Speaker 1: the taping of the Mike McCarthy Show if you want to,
Speaker 1: or how about over the course of the next half
Speaker 1: hour you give me suggestions on I can ask Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 1: How about that. Yes, I was gonna say, we should
Speaker 1: try to get Mike on the show. That's what we
Speaker 1: should do. Say like, hey, let's do a two for one.
Speaker 1: It's a good idea, that would be cool. Just let's
Speaker 1: very sit in you know. Well, now, I think it'd
Speaker 1: be better if we all could just ask him questions
Speaker 1: and then that can double us the Mike McCarthy Show
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Speaker 1: to watch right here on Dallas Cowboys dot Com whenever
Speaker 1: it gets posted as well locally in Dallas foot Worth
Speaker 1: at eleven thirty on Saturday nights. After all the college
Speaker 1: football is over with, after that LSU Alabama game, David,
Speaker 1: that's may or may not happen this week. Please, let's
Speaker 1: let's hope that it doesn't. Let's not let's hope that
Speaker 1: it doesn't happen. I don't really want to watch that,
Speaker 1: all right, So keep all nicky. Let's get to the
Speaker 1: news of the day, and there is news regarding one
Speaker 1: Treyvon Diggs topping the headlines on this day. The Cowboys
Speaker 1: rookie starting cornerback does have a fractured bone in his
Speaker 1: foot and looks like he will be out four to
Speaker 1: six weeks. He didn't need surgery on it, so I
Speaker 1: guess that's encouraging. They're supposed to put him in a
Speaker 1: walking boot. They should have told me. I would have
Speaker 1: brought my walking boot in and lent it to him
Speaker 1: if he needed it. And you know, Dave and I
Speaker 1: were just talking about when we thought he might have
Speaker 1: broken the bone in his foot. You know, Jerry Jones
Speaker 1: made mentioned this morning that they thought there was something
Speaker 1: wrong when Pittsburgh had that first possession in the fourth
Speaker 1: quarter and they were at the one yard line, and
Speaker 1: Dave and I both saw it. On the second down play,
Speaker 1: they threw a past to mccleoud to Digs's side and
Speaker 1: he was ten yards off the line of scrimmage, and
Speaker 1: it went through my mind. I was like, what is
Speaker 1: he doing the balls on the one yard line? Why
Speaker 1: didn't he like manning up right on the line of
Speaker 1: scrimmage with this guy? And I think maybe he already
Speaker 1: knew he did something to it, and he was backing
Speaker 1: off trying to play through it, and then they threw
Speaker 1: another pass his way and he was way off the
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage again, so we'll see. Dave thinks he
Speaker 1: saw a play that might have definitely put him to rest. Dave, Yeah,
Speaker 1: all I know for sure is that Trayvon Diggs played
Speaker 1: at least like half a series, if not more with
Speaker 1: this injury like it serta looks like just based on
Speaker 1: you know, the endgame announcement that he was out didn't
Speaker 1: come until almost the end of the game, and he
Speaker 1: went out at the top of the fourth quarter. I
Speaker 1: think he played a little ways with this thing, which
Speaker 1: is just a testament to how tough football players are.
Speaker 1: That you break a boat in your foot as a cornerback,
Speaker 1: you think you're probably getting off the field asap. But
Speaker 1: it looks like he tried to gut it out. I'm
Speaker 1: not one hundred percent sure when had happened, but yeah,
Speaker 1: definitely a weird discrepancy there. But it sucks for Treyvon.
Speaker 1: That's tough, news man, tough for us to hear that.
Speaker 1: I mean, this injury written team and just another name
Speaker 1: to add to it. I mean, it's a you know again,
Speaker 1: tough break for us. But you know, did also get
Speaker 1: some news today about Tito coming off IR so maybe
Speaker 1: there is a little bit of civil lining in this
Speaker 1: for a veteran, for this squad to get a veteran
Speaker 1: and Tito Woozy a back yep. And mckeids we talked
Speaker 1: about into last week when they didn't an activate him
Speaker 1: before the last game. His twenty one day window was
Speaker 1: expiring this week and so if he was going to
Speaker 1: play this year, they've had to make that move this week.
Speaker 1: And so h you know, and another thing, I'm looking
Speaker 1: back through my notes, and it was with four when
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh started their drive with four to eleven left in
Speaker 1: the game, as when Savian Smith was in for Trayvon,
Speaker 1: And it was that prior series which David you're talking about,
Speaker 1: which started at eleven forty left. The couple of times
Speaker 1: they hit Ray Ray McLeod down on the when they
Speaker 1: started that nine that from their own one yard line
Speaker 1: where where Diggs was playing off McLeod on that one,
Speaker 1: I think. And I was watching the game from home
Speaker 1: and Romo was saying the same things that that y'all
Speaker 1: were saying in the press box there that he did,
Speaker 1: something must be going on with Diggs. Yeah, and it's
Speaker 1: a good timing for Chittabey Ewoosier to get back in here.
Speaker 1: You know, he missed he I mean, he got hurt
Speaker 1: in the second game of the season, so he's he's
Speaker 1: missed uh six games and h you know, he's going
Speaker 1: into his free agency year next year, so it's he's
Speaker 1: basically got seven games to kind of prove to either
Speaker 1: the Cowboys that he's worthy of being resigned or if
Speaker 1: he's in free agency, you know, he needs something to
Speaker 1: market himself, and these seven games will be I think
Speaker 1: vitally important. And remember until the previous game when Diggs
Speaker 1: had two interceptions, Cheetos had an interception in those first
Speaker 1: two games, and that had been the only interception this
Speaker 1: team has had until Diggs picked off to the previous game,
Speaker 1: which I'm sorry, guys, go ahead, no, no, go ahead. Heck,
Speaker 1: that's a that's an interesting situation with Cheeto, you know,
Speaker 1: him getting hurt and also being a year that he's
Speaker 1: looking to sign a contract. I mean, this hamstring injury
Speaker 1: couldn't have come at a worse time for him, So
Speaker 1: mentality wise, that's what I want to know. What is
Speaker 1: he thinking? Is it strong? Enough for him to do
Speaker 1: exactly what you just said, Mick, make a strong enough
Speaker 1: case for himself to stay here or auditioning for someone else. Look,
Speaker 1: we've known that this young guys played, played hard. He's
Speaker 1: been one of our physical corners, and just looking over
Speaker 1: the defense and looking at over the what's going on
Speaker 1: with them right now, not having him healthy has definitely
Speaker 1: affected what we've had back there. It's just I was
Speaker 1: just gonna say, it's interesting to think that, and I
Speaker 1: think any of us are under the illusion that this
Speaker 1: Dallas defense was ever going to be great, But we
Speaker 1: really never got a genuine look at the preferred secondary.
Speaker 1: You know, I got you know, I guess they had
Speaker 1: them all together in week one, but Cheetah goes out,
Speaker 1: Cheetoh goes out after week two. A B was on
Speaker 1: IR for a two or three week stretch, And now
Speaker 1: that Cheeto's coming back, you've got Treyvon going to IR.
Speaker 1: So if you're preferred three were Cheeto, Treyvon, and Anthony Brown,
Speaker 1: you maybe got to see them for a game and
Speaker 1: a half. And yeah, and this is this is a
Speaker 1: huge stretch for Cheeto in terms of his financial future.
Speaker 1: But it's not gonna be any easier for him with
Speaker 1: lesson depth in the secondary while he's trying to pull
Speaker 1: it off. You know the other thing I had forgotten
Speaker 1: when I was looking this up, Jordan Lewis missed the
Speaker 1: first game, so they never really had their top three
Speaker 1: guys on the field really all at the same time,
Speaker 1: because then Ab got hurt, he was out, then a
Speaker 1: B came back, Cheeto got hurt, and and who knows
Speaker 1: what the plan might have been. It might have been
Speaker 1: for Digs to kind of slowly move in tow to
Speaker 1: the starting lineup, like give him some plays, and then
Speaker 1: when they felt he was comfortable, get him in there.
Speaker 1: But he had to get in there right from the start,
Speaker 1: and that's tough on a rookie corner and you know,
Speaker 1: he paid for it at times, and they paid for
Speaker 1: it at times. The good thing is he never lost
Speaker 1: his confidence, and I think they saw something within him that, Okay,
Speaker 1: I got I get beat, but I'm still playing hard.
Speaker 1: And I think that's a good quality at one that
Speaker 1: cornerbacks obviously need to have. You know the other thing,
Speaker 1: when you look back at that game against the Steelers,
Speaker 1: when you consider the fact now we know what Diggs
Speaker 1: was dealing with on that last drive at Pittsburgh. It
Speaker 1: was a seventy five yard drive that started their own
Speaker 1: one yard line that ended in the Boswell field goal
Speaker 1: that made it a nineteen eighteen game. And then he
Speaker 1: came out and Savion Smith is in there on that
Speaker 1: last drive by Pittsburgh that gave him the lead at
Speaker 1: twenty four nineteen. Think about what the Cowboys were missing
Speaker 1: in their second and dairy from what they wanted to
Speaker 1: have in their secondary and Mickey, as you pointed out
Speaker 1: in yesterday's show, at that point in the game, Uh,
Speaker 1: the Steelers, they were they were They were throwing on
Speaker 1: every down anyway. I mean, they decided that we can't
Speaker 1: run the ball, believe it or not. Even with a
Speaker 1: one score game, they weren't running the ball against the
Speaker 1: Cowboys anymore. They were just putting it in Big Ben's ends.
Speaker 1: And h I don't remember the numbers. You said, twenty
Speaker 1: two out of twenty three plays were pass plays during
Speaker 1: that stretch of the game. But the Cowboys, think about it.
Speaker 1: They were down not only Cheeto, but also down Treyvon
Speaker 1: Diggs in those two critical fourth quarter possessions of the
Speaker 1: game for the Steelers, and and at that point in
Speaker 1: the game, Mickey, they were playing the dime defense, and
Speaker 1: so you had every defensive back that they had available
Speaker 1: basically that were on the field in that situation. Yeah,
Speaker 1: including Savian Smith, who they basically brought up from the
Speaker 1: practice squad for the game. And I think even your
Speaker 1: ou SA safety Parker H Parker, he was, Yeah, he was,
Speaker 1: he was. He was in the game too. I think
Speaker 1: that playing single safety high because they had moved darry
Speaker 1: and Thompson and Wilson up closer to the line of
Speaker 1: scrimmage along with Woods. So yeah, so they could try
Speaker 1: to cover all these receivers and they were treating um
Speaker 1: and they should have kept treating Ebron Uh as a receiver,
Speaker 1: not a tight end. Uh as the one he scored
Speaker 1: on the knockout touchdown when nobody covered him. Jalen Smith, Hey,
Speaker 1: you can't say that because Mike Nolan wouldn't say it. Yesterday.
Speaker 1: Mike Nolan had the reason he wouldn't say it because
Speaker 1: he didn't want to say it. Yeah, Mike Nolan literally
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, the defense just didn't do his job
Speaker 1: well enough, and that's really all I want to say
Speaker 1: about it. I'm like, well, Mike, we have access to
Speaker 1: tape too, So do what that was, you will? It
Speaker 1: was it was like it was like his non answer
Speaker 1: on the penalties, right, yeah, exactly. That whole last drive
Speaker 1: by the Steelers and Tony Romo is kind of he's
Speaker 1: he's looking his crystal ball and telling you what's about
Speaker 1: to happen, and then it's happening. And Bill, it just
Speaker 1: seemed to me like Ben new that Savian Smith was
Speaker 1: in the in the ball game, and the way that
Speaker 1: the defense was structure it just made it so much easier.
Speaker 1: And then the Eric Ebron hurdling him into the end
Speaker 1: zone was like the cherry on the top for that
Speaker 1: last drive. Oh and I've never played football at a
Speaker 1: high level, but sorry, man, no go ahead. I've never
Speaker 1: played football at a high level, but I've played pick
Speaker 1: up football and when somebody can't cover, the quarterback figures
Speaker 1: it out real real quick. Like there's no doubt in
Speaker 1: my mind not to pick on Savian Smith. But Ben
Speaker 1: was in the huddle just like where's thirty two? Who's
Speaker 1: who's gonna be on thirty two? I'm coming to you
Speaker 1: just know that right now, Like there's that's apps what
Speaker 1: was happening? You know what was amazing when Romo kept
Speaker 1: talking about, you know, they've got all these receivers out
Speaker 1: there and at some point somebody's gonna miss a tackle
Speaker 1: and they're gonna break a big play. Right. The next
Speaker 1: play was the forty two yard short pass play mistackle?
Speaker 1: I think it was. Was it to Clay Claypool? Um,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to Uh it was to Johnson. Uh, and
Speaker 1: he goes forty two yards which set up that touchdown?
Speaker 1: And it was and he was he was exactly right
Speaker 1: because the feeling this is getting ready to happen, and
Speaker 1: that was a mistackle. Yeah, and that was a mistackle
Speaker 1: by Smith. If I'm not mistaken on that one, you're right. Uh.
Speaker 1: It was awful man, that that last drive. But I
Speaker 1: mean that's why Big Ben Shirley is going to be
Speaker 1: a first ballot Hall of Famer, just by the way
Speaker 1: he orchestrated that last drive. All Right, we're just getting
Speaker 1: started on this edition of Mixed Shots. I got a
Speaker 1: question when we come back in just a moment, what
Speaker 1: is the biggest difference between the Cowboys and the Pittsburgh Steelers. Okay,
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Speaker 1: all right. I asked a question before the break, the
Speaker 1: biggest difference between the Cowboys and the Steelers. Let's go
Speaker 1: around the horn. What do you what do you think
Speaker 1: is the biggest difference between those two teams? Right now?
Speaker 1: Let's go with our guests first. All right, heck man,
Speaker 1: you want to go first? I mean, I mean, are
Speaker 1: we talking? You're talking right now? Between these two teams,
Speaker 1: I think, obviously, the continuity that they have at quarterback.
Speaker 1: I think Big Ben gives them, um gives them a
Speaker 1: heck of a lot more than what we're getting from
Speaker 1: our quarterbacks right now. And and their defense, those would
Speaker 1: be the two things that I would point to that
Speaker 1: would be, uh, the apparent difference between the Stealers and
Speaker 1: the Cowboys for sure. All right, day, I feel like
Speaker 1: I feel like it is a trick question, like you're
Speaker 1: trying to bait me into something. My answer, I mean,
Speaker 1: what to see if you see what you think? How
Speaker 1: about how about the record because one of them, one
Speaker 1: of them is currently uh currently in position to get
Speaker 1: the buy in the AFC, and the other one is
Speaker 1: number three in the draft though, and I mean I
Speaker 1: could I couldn't go for that one. I thought that
Speaker 1: that he's got something else waiting for me. Surely, surely
Speaker 1: there must be something going on, because that's obvious. I mean,
Speaker 1: and Heckman was totally right. The reason for that is
Speaker 1: the quarterback and the injuries and the continuity. But yeah,
Speaker 1: one of these teams is planning on playing deep into January.
Speaker 1: And the other answers here, there are no wrong answers.
Speaker 1: They're all pretty obvious answers, all right. And I love
Speaker 1: that one. There's bottom line Dave Hellman right there. He
Speaker 1: just cuts to the chase. I love that was that
Speaker 1: was a perfect answer. All right, Mickey, what's your answer?
Speaker 1: So let me give you three numbers from each team
Speaker 1: and you decide which side of the ball is the
Speaker 1: cause of it. Okay, So for the Pittsburgh Steelers, they
Speaker 1: registered two sacks, seven tackles for losses, and nine quarterback hits.
Speaker 1: Your Dallas Cowboys total zero sacks, three tackles for losses,
Speaker 1: and two quarterback hits. So we can talk about the
Speaker 1: differences in the quarterbacks for sure, but sounds like either
Speaker 1: protection or the ability to put pressure on the opposing
Speaker 1: quarterbacks were the difference between the Cowboys and the Pittsburgh
Speaker 1: Steelers or mate and but Big Ben said after the
Speaker 1: game on Sunday that he thinks that that Cowboys pass
Speaker 1: rush might have been the toughest that they faced all
Speaker 1: season long. Did it ever hit them more than one time? Well,
Speaker 1: they they testament they got his knees there at the
Speaker 1: end of the finish it all right. So my answer
Speaker 1: to the question is and this, I think this gives
Speaker 1: the Cowboys hope for the Cowboys fans hope for the future.
Speaker 1: The biggest difference between these two teams injuries. I mean,
Speaker 1: when you look at the whole key, it's a it's
Speaker 1: an attrition is such a huge factor in this in
Speaker 1: any NFL season. But if you look at that Steeler's
Speaker 1: roster and compare it to the Cowboys, I mean, there
Speaker 1: is no comparison there. They lost Devin Bush, who they
Speaker 1: think they feel like they are replacing a little bit
Speaker 1: because they traded for Avery Williamson. That will help him
Speaker 1: in the second half of the season and on end
Speaker 1: of the playoffs. But you go across the board, what
Speaker 1: have they lost injury wise? Yeah, in that game they
Speaker 1: were missing Tyson alua Lua. Okay, but he's not out
Speaker 1: for any duration of time. But we all know what
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are dealing with injury wise. But in an offseason,
Speaker 1: you are putting your team together and you're thinking, these
Speaker 1: are the guys that are going to be with me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: now you're gonna lose some guys. The Cowboys have lost
Speaker 1: so many and on both sides of the ball. We
Speaker 1: already talked. We were talking about the secondary, what they lost,
Speaker 1: the defensive tackle even with the Gerald McCoy injury the
Speaker 1: first practice of training camp, and obviously what happened on
Speaker 1: the offensive side. But if the Steelers lose their two tackles,
Speaker 1: their quarterback, then the guys that the Cowboys are losing,
Speaker 1: they'd be sitting here at the same record the Cowboys have.
Speaker 1: But Bill, Bill, you knew that Garrett Gilbert was going
Speaker 1: to be the starting quarterback against the Pittsburgh Steelers before
Speaker 1: the season. Right, come on, man, I was being funny.
Speaker 1: I was being els a joke, Mickey, that's a joke.
Speaker 1: Don't jump over. So think about it. Think about it.
Speaker 1: For at least one play in that game, the Cowboys
Speaker 1: were down to their fourth left tackle right because they
Speaker 1: didn't get Collins. Yeah, Irving was heard. Brandon Knight gets
Speaker 1: in there. Then then they get, uh, who am I forgetting?
Speaker 1: There was somebody else there for a while before Night
Speaker 1: got I mean Irving got back right. Um, well, they
Speaker 1: moved steal, they moved steal the side, and then Connor
Speaker 1: McGovern came in and right right, But there was somebody
Speaker 1: else between when Night got hurt until Irving came back.
Speaker 1: I'm forgetting. You're talking, yeah, big picture, I forgot. I forgot.
Speaker 1: So that was like their fifth for one snap, fifth
Speaker 1: start left tackle, and you make a good point. Um,
Speaker 1: and you you've got guys out there playing that really
Speaker 1: hadn't played all that much. I had forgotten about Night
Speaker 1: until I think I saw him out here today doing
Speaker 1: rehab work. You know, I think about this a lot
Speaker 1: all the way back at the very start of training camp,
Speaker 1: when they were you know, the whole storyline with using
Speaker 1: the Omni Hotel as a bubble. Dak Prescott had to
Speaker 1: quote that was like, the healthiest team is gonna win,
Speaker 1: and he was taught he was talking about COVID, but
Speaker 1: low and behold, it applies to it applies to regular
Speaker 1: old injuries too. So yeah, I mean, you're not wrong, Bill,
Speaker 1: You're absolutely not wrong. That was a prophetic word from Dak.
Speaker 1: He didn't even know how that statement was. And the
Speaker 1: other thing is the healthiest team is gonna win and
Speaker 1: they are the least healthy team in the league. The
Speaker 1: other thing about it is it's even more obvious this
Speaker 1: year because of their new rules this year as far
Speaker 1: as using using i R where a guy can you
Speaker 1: can keep a guy out for three weeks and then
Speaker 1: they can come back. So it's obvious. You just look
Speaker 1: on paper and look at how many guys this team
Speaker 1: has used and how many guys this this team has used,
Speaker 1: and it's uh, I think if you go down, probably
Speaker 1: if you took the time, uh to go down. The
Speaker 1: rosters of the teams that have that are well above
Speaker 1: five hundred right now. The biggest difference is going to
Speaker 1: be those teams are healthy. I mean it's amazing what
Speaker 1: San Francisco has been able to do with all the
Speaker 1: injuries that they've had, just to be hovering around five
Speaker 1: hundred on the season. Yeah, and speaking of the injuries,
Speaker 1: and then not only do you lose your backup quarterback
Speaker 1: to a concussion, and then you lose them for another
Speaker 1: game for putting them on reserve COVID nineteen. So that
Speaker 1: even added to this whole deal of the Cowboys having
Speaker 1: to start their fourth quarterback and then lo and behold.
Speaker 1: This week, the COVID thing affects them again because of
Speaker 1: the McDonald the tight end for Pittsburgh testing positive the
Speaker 1: next day, and so the Cowboys had to go into
Speaker 1: their I think they call it intensive COVID nineteen protocol,
Speaker 1: having the rest of the meetings this week. Whatever they
Speaker 1: had planned going virtual, and the Wednesday practiced that they
Speaker 1: were going to have, they had to cancel. So in
Speaker 1: a you know, inadvertent way. Uh, it's it's affecting them
Speaker 1: this week too, when they could have least had one practice,
Speaker 1: now they'll have none. And that beat continues to you know,
Speaker 1: go on. I'm honestly not even worried about them not
Speaker 1: having a bye week practice and I don't want to be.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be mister doom and Gloom, But
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be a few days and seeing if there's
Speaker 1: anything in the news about positive tests, because that's that's
Speaker 1: the bullet you've got to dodge now. Is hopefully nobody
Speaker 1: on this team was you know, close enough to Vance
Speaker 1: McDonald that they're going to wind up testing positive, and
Speaker 1: you know, that's the last thing this team needs is
Speaker 1: Saturday or Sunday morning word comes out that a few
Speaker 1: guys have tested positive or whatever. And I don't want
Speaker 1: to I don't know that it's happened. I don't know
Speaker 1: that it will happen, but it's definitely something you got
Speaker 1: to keep an eye on. He did play, ask what
Speaker 1: else can go wrong? Yeah? No, absolutely, yeah. He was
Speaker 1: out there, he played twenty players, he caught one pass
Speaker 1: and unfortunately Donothan Wilson had to tackle him. So yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll see how this goes forward. Well. I will say
Speaker 1: this though, that if there is a Cowboys player who
Speaker 1: caught it from Vance McDonald during the game, it would
Speaker 1: be the first time on record anyway that what they
Speaker 1: know of that that a football player has caught it
Speaker 1: from an opposing player, uh, during a game. I haven't
Speaker 1: heard it on the college I know it hadn't happened
Speaker 1: in the NFL. Come on, Bill, Bill, Bill, it hasn't
Speaker 1: happened yet, okay, And so it hadn't happened on the
Speaker 1: college level. I mean the doctors that I've talked to
Speaker 1: about it leading up to the college's trying to make
Speaker 1: a decision. I've got a good friend who's a doctor,
Speaker 1: and he said, the problem is not going to be
Speaker 1: on the field. The problem for like for the colleges.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be after the game. It's gonna be at
Speaker 1: the bars, it's gonna be wherever, you know. But because
Speaker 1: of the ventilation and so forth, the problem, and so
Speaker 1: I think it knock on wood. I think it'll be
Speaker 1: surprising if if a cowboy player catches it from a
Speaker 1: from Base McDonald unless they were hanging out on Saturday
Speaker 1: night or something of like hope, So Bill sort of
Speaker 1: like the Notre Dame student body advancing onto the field
Speaker 1: after the upset Clemson, that's right, he's kids. They were.
Speaker 1: They were in closer proximity to each other than that
Speaker 1: for a longer period of time though than the football
Speaker 1: players are on the field. I don't as a as
Speaker 1: a kid these days or thinking a kid on this show.
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think it's a coincidence that
Speaker 1: we're seeing spikes around college football because you know, Halloween
Speaker 1: is ten days in the rearview. So hopefully, uh, hopefully
Speaker 1: the NFL did a better job of staying in on
Speaker 1: Halloween than than colleges did. All right, we're approaching the
Speaker 1: two o'clock hour, which is when I am supposed to
Speaker 1: do my interview with Mike McCarthy for the Mike McCarthy Show.
Speaker 1: So I think I guess I will bail out here
Speaker 1: and wait on the arrival of the coach. We've still
Speaker 1: got the camera up in here, so yall can look
Speaker 1: in on what's happening if you'd like, and we can
Speaker 1: get our question ten minutes. Yeah, do you have a question? Hey, Bill,
Speaker 1: ask this. You can tell me right now, and I'll
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Speaker 1: There you go, do we have a quarterback controversy? Coach
Speaker 1: finally get a quarterback to come within five points of
Speaker 1: winning a game, Now he should be the starter. There
Speaker 1: you go. I mean that's what they're trying to say.
Speaker 1: All right. I don't think we'll get much of an
Speaker 1: answer for a coach on that. All right, So I
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Speaker 1: Lunch and Bill had to step away to take care
Speaker 1: of his interview with Mike McCarthy for The Mike McCarthy Show.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna go this last segment just the three
Speaker 1: of us and I I did have a question for
Speaker 1: you guys, since I've got the two kind of draft
Speaker 1: gurus here with me. Uh Tach McKinley got released, what
Speaker 1: are your thoughts I saw that. To be really honest
Speaker 1: with you, I'm I'm on board. Like one one of
Speaker 1: the benefits of being bad is that they're third in
Speaker 1: the waiver order. So anybody that hits waivers, you got
Speaker 1: a really good shot at him. They wanted Tech McKinley
Speaker 1: and twenty twenty seventeen. Yeah, um yeah, and I traded
Speaker 1: up in front of him to get him, and they
Speaker 1: had to settle for Taco Charlton. We can talk about
Speaker 1: that another day, but it doesn't It doesn't cost you
Speaker 1: anything to claim him. And you liked him three years ago.
Speaker 1: I you know, he obviously didn't live up to the billing,
Speaker 1: or else he'd still be in Atlanta. But I don't
Speaker 1: see what you have to lose, No, agreed, Dave. I
Speaker 1: mean tech tech McKinley out of Ucla. I think we
Speaker 1: loved him, and and like you said, Atlanta moved up
Speaker 1: to get him. I don't know what all his problems
Speaker 1: were in Atlanta, but for them to move away from him,
Speaker 1: I think that those are gonna raise some flags, and
Speaker 1: so I want to definitely know what those are. Obviously,
Speaker 1: staying healthy may have been his issue as well in Atlanta,
Speaker 1: but former first round draft pick Man still looks like
Speaker 1: he has a lot of good years in front of him.
Speaker 1: For us, Man, we need the youth movement to start immediately.
Speaker 1: So absolutely I would be willing to take a swing
Speaker 1: at him to see it, at least what he has left.
Speaker 1: So I've got somewhat of an answer for you how
Speaker 1: things went sour there. And by the way, he's only
Speaker 1: played four games this year. He's had a groin injury,
Speaker 1: and so he had been missing games and he hadn't
Speaker 1: played I think they even the last two games. And
Speaker 1: to David's point, you know, he's on the last year
Speaker 1: of his of his contract, and basically the base salary
Speaker 1: is what you would have to pick up. So we're
Speaker 1: what eight games, nine games into the season, so you
Speaker 1: would have to pick up seven sixteenths of like nine
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty thousand, which is negligible, right, that's really
Speaker 1: not that much. But here's what happened. He wanted to
Speaker 1: get traded and they wouldn't trade him, so he got mad,
Speaker 1: and they didn't pick up his fifth year option, which
Speaker 1: was going to be ten point three million, So that's
Speaker 1: one of the red flags, like, oh, why not they
Speaker 1: aren't they picking up that option. And then when they
Speaker 1: wouldn't trade him by the trade deadline, I guess he
Speaker 1: took the social media to sound off saying saying that
Speaker 1: they said they trade me, they didn't trade me, and
Speaker 1: they got pissed at him. And Raheem Morris, the head
Speaker 1: coach now interim that's the word I was looking for.
Speaker 1: He when they asked him what wentn't wrong, and he said,
Speaker 1: I think it's immaturity. Tack will be handled accountably. Well
Speaker 1: they handle it. It was like, you know what you
Speaker 1: want to sound off like that, Okay, you're out, go
Speaker 1: find a job because no one wanted to give us
Speaker 1: enough in the trade market. Wouldn't even give us a
Speaker 1: sixth and an eighth or six and a seventh. I
Speaker 1: think it was for you, So go see what you
Speaker 1: can find. This is a pretty common This is a
Speaker 1: pretty common phenomenon in the NFL these days. I mean,
Speaker 1: Carlos Dunlap did something serious, very similar to get out
Speaker 1: of Cincinnati. I know he's a much more experienced player,
Speaker 1: but honestly, Tacer O'charlton is a pretty fair comparison too.
Speaker 1: Like that was that was not an amicable split. The
Speaker 1: Cowboys were very happy for him to be gone by
Speaker 1: the time they finally cut him. And I'll be honest,
Speaker 1: I don't keep close tabs on Taco, but he spent
Speaker 1: most of the season in Miami, and he's been with
Speaker 1: Kansas City, and it certainly doesn't seem like he's a
Speaker 1: problem child. So sometimes a change of scenery can do
Speaker 1: a lot for you. I do no go ahead, ex sorry, no,
Speaker 1: I wanted to say, you know, when when it comes
Speaker 1: down to athletes and being disgruntled and contract years, I
Speaker 1: mean that's like historic, that's a going theme all around
Speaker 1: the league. But there has to be something more too.
Speaker 1: And like you said, they're a first round guy that's
Speaker 1: now they won't give up a six or seven for them.
Speaker 1: So I guess those are the question marks that I
Speaker 1: have for tack McKinley. But then also, you know this defense,
Speaker 1: I'm just going back to the guys that we have
Speaker 1: are starting to play better together. I don't want to
Speaker 1: be under any illusion here. Are you guys starting to
Speaker 1: feel the same way about this defense that has been
Speaker 1: historically bad that are starting to take some steps now? Yeah?
Speaker 1: You know what? And I made a comment about that,
Speaker 1: and I really hadn't thought about it yesterday. Somehow I
Speaker 1: got into that conversation of since the Cowboys, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: moved on from Poe and Worly, who was the other guy.
Speaker 1: There was three guys they ended up Everson Griffin. Everson
Speaker 1: Griffin and I made this comment, and I've heard heard
Speaker 1: this before, so I'll throw it out at you guys.
Speaker 1: I said, sometimes when you have a team together, there's
Speaker 1: something to have a bunch of guys on your team
Speaker 1: with sweat equity. Like I've been through the trials and
Speaker 1: tribulations with this team. I've gone through some of the
Speaker 1: good stuff, but I've also fought through the bad stuff.
Speaker 1: And then I get three guys that are basically carpetbaggers
Speaker 1: coming in on one year deals, trying to make a
Speaker 1: name for themselves, right, and it's like, do they care
Speaker 1: about the team or do they care about themselves? Oh? Man,
Speaker 1: I mean Everson Griffins got equity. He's been to like
Speaker 1: four Pro Bowls, but he's a new coop. He's named
Speaker 1: after Everson Walls. He loved I mean he loved the Cowboys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm serious, he was. Okay, you call him man of carpetbagger.
Speaker 1: I don't even know where to go after that. But
Speaker 1: when it comes down to what we have now, you
Speaker 1: could tell, like these guys, whatever that was when they
Speaker 1: got rid of those three guys, it it rejuvenated this defense,
Speaker 1: and whether it was just time from a historic standpoint,
Speaker 1: I think you're starting to see a little bit of
Speaker 1: sunshine through those dark clouds for the Cowboys defense, and
Speaker 1: there are improvements even on the back end with and
Speaker 1: I know, Mick. We didn't get any sacks versus the stealers,
Speaker 1: but still guys were getting close. We had some sex
Speaker 1: strip bumbles negated by costly penalties. But still you're starting
Speaker 1: to see a lot more things come together other than
Speaker 1: the injuries and guys just playing out of position the
Speaker 1: way that it looked all season. I mean, let me
Speaker 1: agree with it. Let me I was gonna say, let
Speaker 1: me point out this. The last two games, the run
Speaker 1: defense right improved greatly. Yes, did everybody just figure it
Speaker 1: out at once that oh that's my gap, that's my gap.
Speaker 1: And they were playing gap integrity as a team and
Speaker 1: not as an individual chasing sacks or an individual just
Speaker 1: kind of standing up in the middle line and doing nothing.
Speaker 1: It's like me in statistics class the third time. Sometimes
Speaker 1: it just thought the stick, you know, I think maybe
Speaker 1: they just got a hold of it. I figured they
Speaker 1: could do it. And the eighth and nine game the
Speaker 1: stick right. I don't know if it's a point. I
Speaker 1: don't disagree. I don't disagree with anything y'all are saying
Speaker 1: and the results speak for themselves. They look way more competent.
Speaker 1: But this is a business at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: and you've got half a season of evidence that suggests
Speaker 1: that you're not very good. And also, going back to
Speaker 1: the point from earlier, your record says you're probably not
Speaker 1: going anywhere important. So if it's me, I'm turning over
Speaker 1: every stone I can to see how I can improve
Speaker 1: and add talent to this defense, and not just Tack McKinley.
Speaker 1: I meant to bring the love to see more of
Speaker 1: Bradley and I in these next seven games. I want
Speaker 1: to know what I've got because the whole we like
Speaker 1: who we've got. We're build like a where are you
Speaker 1: building toward right now? You're not. You're probably not going
Speaker 1: on the playoffs. So Bradley and I, yes, if you
Speaker 1: can claim Tack McKinley, yes, no, And me and Kyle
Speaker 1: like I mean, obviously we worked on the draft together,
Speaker 1: so we both like and I. But now is the
Speaker 1: time to try to acquire talent. You don't know what
Speaker 1: the future holds for Alden Smith. They have they have
Speaker 1: the rights to Randy Gregory, but he certainly doesn't have
Speaker 1: a clear long term future right now, I'm doing everything
Speaker 1: in my power to try to add talent to this
Speaker 1: team that I can evaluate over the second half. And
Speaker 1: if you can get Tack McKinley for nothing, doesn't sound
Speaker 1: like a terrible idea. In my opinion. You may be
Speaker 1: renting them for seven games, but you're not obligated to
Speaker 1: them going forward if it doesn't work. I'm with you
Speaker 1: guys on that. Hey, and just remember there only one
Speaker 1: victory behind the team leading the NFC East, and that's
Speaker 1: that's big, man. That's that's big. And that's also something
Speaker 1: to consider. But guys, we got to talk about the
Speaker 1: elephant in the room here. Now, we got a quarterback
Speaker 1: situation going on with Andy Dalton and Garrett Gilbert. I
Speaker 1: want to know what you think about those two quarterbacks
Speaker 1: going forward after the bye week. Well, unfortunately we have
Speaker 1: two minutes and we may have to pick it up tomorrow.
Speaker 1: But I think the quick, all right, all right answer
Speaker 1: is there was a reason why everybody was so fired
Speaker 1: up about Andy Dalton being the backup quarterback. I think
Speaker 1: you got to see that one through. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: we can, we can get into it in detail tomorrow,
Speaker 1: but I think it's kind of wild that I mean,
Speaker 1: and Garrett Gilbert, he played so great. I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to take anything away from him. But I'm not ready
Speaker 1: to go away from a ten year veteran because Garrett
Speaker 1: Gilbert had a nice day in a tough circumstance. I mean, especially,
Speaker 1: you know, talk to me again in December if they're ten, Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe you want to get a look at the younger guy.
Speaker 1: But for the time being, while the division is still
Speaker 1: maybe within reach, I'm playing Andy. Heck, you get the
Speaker 1: last one. That may be something to be No, that's
Speaker 1: something to be considered. I think that Garrett Gilbert, as
Speaker 1: far as the eyeball tests he came in is looked
Speaker 1: to me, and like everybody else is seeing that the
Speaker 1: team was receptive to him. Andy Dalton in his time
Speaker 1: starting you you got a lot of drives that didn't
Speaker 1: finish with points, so you have a lot to measure.
Speaker 1: You had a lot to juggle from this coach and staff.
Speaker 1: But it sounds like to me that they're already saying
Speaker 1: that Andy Dalton is going to be their guy. And
Speaker 1: I've always been of the mind that Andy Dalton came
Speaker 1: here to Dallas thinking that he would never get any
Speaker 1: live action other than you know later in the season.
Speaker 1: But hey, that's neither here nor there. We'll talk about
Speaker 1: that tomorrow. Yeah, no, absolutely, And I'll throw this out
Speaker 1: and we can pick it up tomorrow when we have
Speaker 1: the mixed Shots wife swap. That's hard to say, really hard,
Speaker 1: We'll say, right, but I heard so many point this album,
Speaker 1: and I'll give him credit for it if I can
Speaker 1: remember who did it. It was like Andy Dalton basically
Speaker 1: came here on a one year deal because he was
Speaker 1: hoping he could parlay that into a long term deal
Speaker 1: with another team, right, maybe even a starting job. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you've got Garrett Gilbert here, and maybe you want to
Speaker 1: find out can he be your somewhat veteran backup quarterback
Speaker 1: going forward when Dak Prescott comes back, and you've got
Speaker 1: another seven games to maybe figure that out and not say, oh,
Speaker 1: I've got to turn this over to Ben Denucci or
Speaker 1: I got to go find another veteran quarterback to back
Speaker 1: up Dak Prescott. So smoke on that for a while
Speaker 1: and we'll see what we think tomorrow when we come
Speaker 1: back to Mick Shots. Thanks to Bill for dropping in
Speaker 1: before he had to take off the interview. Mike McCarthy, heck, mcdave,
Speaker 1: talk to you guys tomorrow. Mickey Spagnola and that was
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