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Speaker 1: I am Chad Moman, Chief Content Officer of the Action Network.

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Speaker 1: I'm joined as always by my co host, my companion,

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Speaker 1: We are living it. We are deep deep into preview season.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited for today is because it involves the most smug, arrogant,

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Speaker 1: of the GM Shuffle podcast. It is Michael Lombardi. Mister Lombardi,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 3: Thank thank you, chat, Thank you Simon. Appreciate being here.

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Speaker 3: I enjoy listening to you guys talk about the game

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Speaker 3: I appreciate you having me.

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Speaker 1: those listening who don't know, Lombardi worked for Al Davis

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Speaker 1: and I sat with Mike and he has told me

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Speaker 1: stories about working for Al Davis that would burn your

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Speaker 1: this episode description. Before we get into it, Mike truly,

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Speaker 1: did you have a secret? And now you've been in media,

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Speaker 1: so you've continued to deal with arrogant, controversial, crazy personalities,

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Speaker 1: which we working for the Raiders, working for the Patriots.

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Speaker 1: What was your secret to dealing with unbelievably sort of

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Speaker 3: You know, when I watched Hard Knocks, I thought Joe

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Speaker 3: Shane's the luckiest son of a bitch in the world

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Speaker 3: because John marras such a nice man that if Al

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Speaker 3: because some of the answers that he was giving weren't

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Speaker 4: If there's anything we've ever done, then I'm particularly proud of.

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Speaker 3: You know, I learned a lot of football from Al.

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Speaker 4: I had a dream that someday I would build the

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Speaker 1: I think I might have told you this story. I

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Speaker 1: don't know, Simon, I have ever told you this story. But

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Speaker 1: Al Davis so he used to be a coach at

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Speaker 1: is when I think about Al Davis, Mike, that is

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, there's so many of them. I mean,

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Speaker 3: got to meet my publisher, Star Lawrence. He's in New York.

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Speaker 3: You should write a book about Al and all that stuff.

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Speaker 3: And I did. So I'm sitting with Starr and I'm

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Speaker 3: your ideas, but there's not a book here because it's

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Speaker 3: going to be a novel. And he was probably right.

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Speaker 3: Story doesn't surprise me at all. I mean, there's so

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Speaker 3: many of them. But again, that side of Al was

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Speaker 3: what people know. But the brilliance of him as an executive,

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Speaker 3: I mean, this guy was the whole history of the

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Speaker 3: Done Right. Al was the commissioner of the AFL and meanwhile, Lamar,

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Speaker 1: Mike. Here at the Favorites, we also pride ourselves on

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Speaker 1: our commitment to excellence. So let's get intore. Let's get

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Speaker 1: in all of our previous installments, nineteen of the past

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Speaker 1: twenty one seasons, an NFL team has gone from worst

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Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills, last place New England Patriots. Could the

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Speaker 1: that goes from worse to first? All right, Buffalo, Good.

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Speaker 2: Afternoon, everyone.

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Speaker 3: This is Van Miller and the Road to the Super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: Fifteen to one to win the Super Bowl, a little

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Speaker 1: are ranking a schedule. Buffalo has the tenth artist. Also,

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Speaker 1: do you feel like the Bills have just completely missed

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, that window thing is always fascinating to

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Speaker 3: a big window. But I think this is a team

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Speaker 3: He didn't have a sack or an assist last year.

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Speaker 3: they're worried about the size of their team. See, Buffalo

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Speaker 3: is an interesting team, guys, because Buffalo believes in the

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Speaker 2: Stuff you had a camp sounds great, right. Coleman kid

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Speaker 2: You on, you're just like the Jets, right, I kind

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Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills. You just mentioned their schedule on the road

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Speaker 2: This sucks and it's horseshit. But I'm too polite to

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Speaker 1: I was making notes on this, and I was trying

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Speaker 1: We'll get to this in a second because you'll you'll

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Speaker 1: any sport. We're like, he's the best, but might not

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Speaker 3: You're with Mike. Well, I think to me, you know

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Speaker 3: that team. I wrote about that, But this isn't that

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Speaker 3: their style offensively. Look, you know, they gave the Chiefs

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Speaker 3: You know, Bass missed the field goal. That Bass is

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Speaker 3: about that. But they changed who they are, guys. I

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Speaker 3: So they're really they can be. They're a little bit

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Speaker 3: can't underestimate Cook's talent as a runner. Now, he fumbled

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Speaker 1: So I'm glad you guys are saying this because the

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Speaker 1: He's the best rusher on the field, the best passer

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just wish it was a better number. Again,

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Speaker 2: so they should be the favorite. I just thought it'd

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Speaker 1: All right, New York Jets.

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Speaker 2: Still it's real good.

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Speaker 3: Be the best is yet to come.

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Speaker 1: I'm fairly certain that the Atlantic wins have floated a

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Speaker 1: Here New York Jets twenty to one to win the

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Speaker 1: win total of nine and a half fourth easiest schedule,

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Speaker 1: And I will not lie to you guys. I don't

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Speaker 1: I just think it's obnoxious. But they're offensive and defensive line.

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Speaker 2: I like him, and I'm not here to convince people.

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Speaker 2: I like Aaron Rodgers. But you have to see this kid.

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Speaker 2: Where he's come from is he went to Juco and

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Speaker 2: was just like, once again people didn't believe in me

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Speaker 2: That's what made him in that personality though, where he's

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Speaker 2: It's like he ain't the smartest man in the room

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Speaker 2: it's all there, Like it's just it's perfectly set up

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Speaker 2: fantasy people know this right now. Rees All and you

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00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:25,000
Speaker 2: know Wilson are both first round picks and fantasy football,

432
00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:28,439
Speaker 2: it's these guys ceilings are you know, Hall could be

433
00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:30,080
Speaker 2: the number one running back in football at the end

434
00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:32,440
Speaker 2: of the season. And we've seen Roger's career. He likes

435
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:34,199
Speaker 2: a lock on the number one targets. It's just his

436
00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:36,879
Speaker 2: playing style. He always finds a guy he likes and trust.

437
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,000
Speaker 2: He doesn't care if that guy's doubled. He's gonna try

438
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:40,720
Speaker 2: to fit in there. Trust and put that on the

439
00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:43,600
Speaker 2: guy we just saw get Wilson have an incredible season

440
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:46,240
Speaker 2: with Zach Wilson. I mean, it's just I just can't

441
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:47,760
Speaker 2: get over how much potential is there. And then we

442
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:49,440
Speaker 2: mix in the schedule, Chat, what are you talking about?

443
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:50,960
Speaker 2: You know, if they lose their first game this year,

444
00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:53,120
Speaker 2: we could easily see them ritt all of five wins

445
00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:56,040
Speaker 2: afterwards and be five to one heading into mid mid October.

446
00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:59,720
Speaker 2: So this is the team that it's all set for them.

447
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,760
Speaker 2: And even if Rogers does go down with an injury.

448
00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:04,320
Speaker 2: I told you, I like the fact they picked up

449
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,360
Speaker 2: Tyrod Taylor. It's like they picked up just the robot,

450
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:09,639
Speaker 2: like the guy that they know can run a very

451
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 2: boring and emic goffense. Because I won't lie to you, Chat,

452
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:14,479
Speaker 2: I do not trust to do the other these other

453
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:16,959
Speaker 2: teams in this division. That's my biggest pause with them

454
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:20,280
Speaker 2: right now is the coaching. I just don't know if

455
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 2: offensively don't trust it and defensively I don't know. I'm

456
00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:26,480
Speaker 2: a trade I have right now. So this is a

457
00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:29,159
Speaker 2: team where I get your hesitation, but a nine and

458
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,120
Speaker 2: a half I'll take it. And you can actually take

459
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 2: this because it's minus one fifty nine and a half

460
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:36,200
Speaker 2: if you want a plus number. I have no issue

461
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:37,880
Speaker 2: taking a ten and a half bet with this team either,

462
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,439
Speaker 2: because it's just another team. I really like their win totals.

463
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:42,879
Speaker 2: So if you just want you know you're gonna tie

464
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:44,280
Speaker 2: money for six months here you want to make, I'm

465
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,880
Speaker 2: sure it's plus money through the ten and a half.

466
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,200
Speaker 2: I've done it, plus one thirty five plus one forty.

467
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:53,120
Speaker 2: So this is a team that you know, I hate

468
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:54,680
Speaker 2: being I hate like we talk of all the time chat.

469
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 2: This is a media darling, right, This is a team

470
00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,359
Speaker 2: that will be all hype just because the Jets have

471
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 2: had nothing hold on to since Mark Sanchez and like

472
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 2: you'll never hear the louder market that's done nothing in

473
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 2: twelve years. It's crazy that Jets the Jets fan base,

474
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,959
Speaker 2: So I get that it's chalky people, but I do

475
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,119
Speaker 2: think it's all lined up perfectly for this team, like

476
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:17,440
Speaker 2: last place schedule in a division that you know those

477
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 2: those games matter. You just talk with The Bills have

478
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,639
Speaker 2: a brutal schedule. The Jets will benefit playing from a

479
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:22,640
Speaker 2: much easier schedule.

480
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:29,640
Speaker 1: Mike, you spent years in this division. Bring some Jersey

481
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:33,200
Speaker 1: Shore reality to Simon Well.

482
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 3: I call him on my on my show and on

483
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:38,359
Speaker 3: my podcast. I call them the offfers because everything that

484
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 3: Simon said, if if they're healthy, it's true, they're the effers.

485
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 3: I mean, what Aaron Rodgers are we getting? Are we

486
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 3: getting the Aaron Rodgers from the last year in Green Bay?

487
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,120
Speaker 3: Are we getting the Aaron Rodgers from the MVP seasons?

488
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 3: I don't know that. You know, I've never seen a

489
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 3: guy come off the Achilles and play to the same level. Now,

490
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 3: the procedure he had on the achilles. If you talk

491
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:02,400
Speaker 3: to medical people about that procedure, they say it allows

492
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 3: you to come back quickly. However, the propensity for reinjury

493
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 3: is there, right, so you can rehab quicker.

494
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 2: But there is a.

495
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,120
Speaker 3: Propensity for that, all right, So you worry about that.

496
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 3: Tyron Taylor is always injured. I mean he's going to

497
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:18,440
Speaker 3: play a couple of games, He's going to get hurt.

498
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,399
Speaker 3: They do have a backup. You know, I don't agree

499
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 3: with them being the fifth best offensive line in football.

500
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 3: I haven't seen it yet. I mean, Tyron Smith is

501
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 3: always hurt, Morgan Moses is always on the ground, Tucker's

502
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:33,440
Speaker 3: coming off in ACL Tipman and Simpson are just average

503
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,880
Speaker 3: players so far. So maybe when we get if they

504
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 3: get going, they're the bout fifth best line. I can't

505
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 3: say that. I think Bryce Brice Hall is remarkable for

506
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 3: gaining eight hundred yards behind that really really bad offensive

507
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 3: line that they had last year with all those backups

508
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 3: in it. So and Mike Williams is another effort. The

509
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 3: guy's been trending on the downward slide and saying in

510
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 3: Los Angeles, even though he's got great big playability, can

511
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 3: he stay healthy. So if you're betting against him saying not,

512
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 3: all these things are going to come to fruition, and

513
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,959
Speaker 3: you're also saying what Simon said. Robert Salah is leading

514
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 3: this team, and you know, I don't know who sends

515
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 3: him out to a press conference, but obviously he doesn't

516
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,360
Speaker 3: have anybody talking to him before he talks about the team.

517
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,159
Speaker 3: You know, everything's always in disarray. The strength of the

518
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,919
Speaker 3: team is their defense. But I think Bryce Hall was

519
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,160
Speaker 3: really good for him last year. I think John Franklin

520
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,920
Speaker 3: Myers was really good for him last year. And I think,

521
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 3: to me, they haven't really replaced those two players. I

522
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 3: think they were the two of the two best defensive players.

523
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 3: But I agree with that there logic to bet over

524
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,919
Speaker 3: because if all this comes in, you got it, but

525
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:37,879
Speaker 3: there's a propensity for it might not happen.

526
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 1: When does it happen? When in the NFL does everything

527
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 1: work out exactly as you need it to, especially when

528
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 1: the quarterback is forty years old coming off a full

529
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 1: miss season with an achilles injury. And to your point, Mike,

530
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:02,680
Speaker 1: people will remember a couple of great years with Lafloor,

531
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 1: but they will forget that for three of those I

532
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 1: think five years he played with Lafloor, he was on

533
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 1: the downward tread. So it is like now, all of

534
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 1: a sudden, I don't really like Simon's take. I think

535
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 1: I like your to take better, because.

536
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 3: Well, it's something about your strength to schedule, your strength

537
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 3: of schedules. Like for me being in the league, I

538
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 3: never really gave much thought to the scheduling because I

539
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 3: wanted it was about what quarterback are replaying and if

540
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,919
Speaker 3: the team's not healthy at quarterback, that's a that's an

541
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,439
Speaker 3: easier game. So but one thing about the Jets and

542
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 3: the strength of schedule, because of the media reaction because

543
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,640
Speaker 3: of Aaron Rodgers, they'll be everybody super Bowl. No one's

544
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,120
Speaker 3: going to take them lightly. Like no one's saying, hey

545
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 3: we got the Jets this week, no big game. But

546
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 3: the bad teams are saying, hey we got the Jets

547
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:54,679
Speaker 3: this week. We got we got If we show up

548
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 3: to the Jets, we're good. See, that's a whole different

549
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,160
Speaker 3: You go from being the hunter to the hunted. It's

550
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,479
Speaker 3: a different game. And you know, that's why the NFL

551
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 3: is so hard to handicap all the time because you

552
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 3: can't always understand the emotions that go on in locker rooms.

553
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 3: The Jets, like the first game, they're what I think

554
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:12,640
Speaker 3: it's five and a half, it's gone down to four

555
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 3: and a half. It's jockeyed around based on the forty

556
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 3: nine Ers in the Ayuk situation. But to me, that's

557
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 3: a good matchup for the Jets because their front will

558
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 3: get the forty nine ers offensive line without Trent Williams.

559
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 3: They play from in front. All that, but after that game,

560
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 3: they're always going to be somebody's target.

561
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 1: I think this is the most fascinating team to think

562
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 1: about betting in the NFL. It's lined just a little

563
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 1: bit high to make you nervous about betting the over

564
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: nine and a half because it's all on the if.

565
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 1: It's all on if Aaron Rodgers is good. It's all

566
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: on if toront Smith can be healthy for a full

567
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 1: season and be as dominant as he was in his

568
00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 1: prime with the Cowboys. It's all can Breis Hall make

569
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: that leap in the second year after an ACL injury.

570
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 1: It's It's a fascinating team. And to your point about coaches,

571
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 1: nobody's got confidence in these coaches. Let me give you

572
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 1: a stat about Nathaniel Packett. He's in his second year

573
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 1: as offensive coordinator with the Jets. Eleventh as a coach

574
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: or offensive coordinator. In those previous ten seasons, his teams

575
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:29,719
Speaker 1: were ninety three seventy eight to the under, going five

576
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 1: hundred or better to the under for all five with

577
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 1: all five teams he's been a part of. I don't

578
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 1: think we can expect this to be an explosive Annon

579
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 1: Rodgers offense. Which means their defense is going to have

580
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 1: to win because these games are going to be low scoring,

581
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 1: which speaks even more to the power of what we're

582
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 1: saying about their defense. Simon, are you still on the Jets?

583
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 2: Yeah? I liked about the upside of it, where it's

584
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 2: all there. Yeah, we're talking, you know, week the week.

585
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 2: This is the team that we might not be on

586
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 2: just because they're overvalued. But I think long term, yeah,

587
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 2: it's just you know, this bet could be dead by

588
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 2: you know, early November, which is no worries. It's like,

589
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 2: all right, well swinging a miss, it's the damn Jets.

590
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 2: But if it's not this year, Chad, I feel bad

591
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 2: for these fans because it's going to be a dark

592
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 2: four or five years out of them. I mean, they've

593
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 2: really gone boom or bust with this team.

594
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 1: The schedule is what the schedule is. Mike makes a

595
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 1: good point about how you look at it in season,

596
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 1: and we're both all aligned that it plays to the

597
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 1: benefit of the Jets. But for the record, they will

598
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: play six night games. Again to Mike's point that everyone

599
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 1: is aware that Aaron Rodgers is playing for the Jets,

600
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 1: and the NFL wants to put them in prime time,

601
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 1: six night games, and a game in London without a bye.

602
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 1: No other team plays more than four night games in

603
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 1: the first eleven weeks in the last twenty years. The

604
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 1: Jets six night games within the first eleven weeks, the

605
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 1: most by any team in the NFL. So even if

606
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 1: it's an easier schedule, the actual scheduling doesn't do them

607
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 1: any favors. But Jets, however, at the Niners, as Mike said,

608
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 1: they will be one of the teams that we play

609
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: in Week one. There's no doubt about it. Miami Dolphins

610
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 1: twenty two to one to win the Super Bowl plus

611
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 1: two hundred to win the Division. Nine and a half

612
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: is the total strength to schedule eighth easiest O line

613
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 1: rank midling eighteenth according to PFF. You could argue that

614
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 1: this O line it's a perfect reflection of this team,

615
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 1: better than it looks because of the system. They don't

616
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 1: have to hold their blocks because two, it gets the

617
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 1: ball out so quickly thanks to Mike McDaniel's scheme, which

618
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: by the way, makes two will look better as well.

619
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 1: D line rank twenty fifth. This is a problem, and

620
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 1: not in a good Miles Garrett problem kind of way.

621
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 1: This is just a problem. Christian Wilkins best player left

622
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 1: in free agency. Andrew van Ginkel had a career year

623
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 1: he left. Bradley Chubb was supposed to be an edge rusher,

624
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 1: game changer. Still recovering from the week seventeen ACL. We

625
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 1: don't know when he'll play Mike two. It just got

626
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 1: a bag. I feel like this team is in a

627
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 1: position where it's not going to be it's never going

628
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: to be a contender. It's a middle of the road team.

629
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Speaker 3: Well, I think there's a couple of factors going on here.

630
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 3: He's the only quarterback really in the league when you

631
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 3: study that's still effective in the RPO game. The RPO

632
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 3: game is dying. I mean, you look at Jalen Hurt's

633
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 3: numbers in the RPO game from two years ago to

634
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 3: last year. It's gone significantly down, almost by five hundred yards.

635
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 3: This kid's his that's his strength the RPO game, and

636
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 3: he's you've eloquently said it perfectly. He is enhanced by

637
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 3: the system, by the skill around them. But the second

638
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 3: half of the season, with the skill and the system

639
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 3: around them, have been a failure for the Miami Dophins.

640
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 3: They're four and ten. The second half of the season

641
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 3: with Mike McDaniel over the last fourteen games okay two

642
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 3: of last year throws fourth eleven touchdowns, seven interceptions the

643
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 3: second half of the season, same system, same players, all

644
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 3: those things. And now you add in the flavor that

645
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 3: he's got the contract. At thirteen fumbles last year in

646
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 3: the quarterback pocket, he's much skinnier than he was the

647
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 3: year before. The concussion protocol is still in play for him.

648
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 3: One of the reasons why he wanted a new contract

649
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 3: because he wanted to make sure that he got that done.

650
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 3: And we've yet to see them beat a good football

651
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 3: team ever under Tua's leadership. I mean the Eagles, and Simon,

652
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 3: you're an Eagle fan, you know this as well as anybody.

653
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 3: They were not good on defense, and they shut down

654
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 3: Miami's offense because why because good defensive coaches understand how

655
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 3: to play Miami. You play the rpo game. The balls

656
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 3: are going to certain spots. Now, it's easier said than done,

657
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 3: because Hill's an incredibly gifted player, unlike any we've ever

658
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 3: seen before. He's got Barry Sanders quickness with Brandy Moss speed.

659
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 3: Those are hard things to put together. But I'm not

660
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 3: a fan because I think at some point there has

661
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 3: to be a level of toughness. I think at some

662
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 3: point there has to be a defense that can take

663
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,359
Speaker 3: and win the game. And when I read all the

664
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 3: comments that they said about Vic Fangio when he left,

665
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:23,839
Speaker 3: it tells me this is more of a softer team,

666
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 3: and the evidence supports it. So I'm not buying it.

667
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 3: You know, wins on Pup Brewer got hurt yesterday, their

668
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 3: offensive lineman. I think this is a team that everybody

669
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 3: got paid, but nobody's going to be happy.

670
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 1: That's a great NFL line right there.

671
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, this was a team I wanted to like, Chad like,

672
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 2: they're really funny, exciting, like we said, an offense and

673
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,399
Speaker 2: they kept all the guys together. But when you really

674
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 2: do go into what they let go on defense last

675
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 2: year again arguably the best detackle on football. How do

676
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 2: you not pay that man, that's a position you just pay.

677
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 2: You just you suck up and you pay that positions

678
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 2: because it's such a key anchor to that defense. So

679
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 2: the fact that he's gone, you know, Fangs is now

680
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 2: up in Philly coaching like that's that's a big loss

681
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 2: for them on defense. He eyeled a lot together on

682
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 2: that defense last year. And you know, to me, it's

683
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 2: a team that it's it's easy to bet their aggression. Right.

684
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 2: It felt like a lot of things broke their way

685
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,439
Speaker 2: last year. They had a lot of really crazy close wins.

686
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 2: I mean even Week one, that Chargers game was just

687
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 2: a back and forth shootout. They kept winning those kind

688
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 2: of games, right, and that's why we kind of, you know,

689
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 2: grew to respect this offense. It's like, to a I agree,

690
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 2: he's probably slightly overpaid. He's right for this offense. Like

691
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,439
Speaker 2: what he does though, those one two reads, that's that's

692
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,760
Speaker 2: what he is. He's a first or second red quarterback

693
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 2: that gets a ball out of his hands whether it's

694
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 2: there or not. He's gonna let his receivers do their

695
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 2: jobs just because he has two top twenty five receivers.

696
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 2: So it's like, all right, if Tyreek kills covered double

697
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 2: cover here or bracketed, I'll just go to wide on

698
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,280
Speaker 2: the single coverage. It's it's not that complicated an offense,

699
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 2: especially when we're talking about the RPOs, which is always

700
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 2: gonna have the all the offense open the middle up

701
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 2: just because the linebackers are always stepping up just you

702
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 2: know they give it. They do hand the ball off,

703
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 2: which I know it sounds crazy there. Their best offense

704
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 2: is when they do run the ball like that's if

705
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:08,359
Speaker 2: you go back and look through their history of the games,

706
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 2: that's when they're so dominant. That's why I issue with

707
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 2: this team this year. They're not gonna have the defense

708
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 2: to have games where they can just run the ball.

709
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:16,800
Speaker 2: It feels like they're always going to be chasing points

710
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 2: just because they're always going to be kind of behind

711
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 2: because of this defense. So nine and a half is rich,

712
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 2: Like I got them right in nine wins. So I

713
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:25,839
Speaker 2: don't really have a bet either side. I probably lean

714
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 2: towards the under here Division odds are terrible plus two

715
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 2: hundred and what world would you bet this? It's just

716
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 2: to me, it's either the Bills or the Jets. I'm

717
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 2: shocked when Chad said the Jets were down a plus

718
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,959
Speaker 2: one eighty. They were plus two thirty a month ago,

719
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 2: so that they've been they've been hit pretty hard now

720
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 2: these last couple of weeks. This Miami team, I don't

721
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:47,879
Speaker 2: know who's betting them. I just don't know who would

722
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 2: believe in this team to win this division, let alone

723
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 2: put any type of money on Super Bowl futures, Like

724
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 2: when you know, no matter what, they're having to go

725
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 2: to somewhere cold to win a playoff game. Doesn't matter.

726
00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 2: If it's Baltimore, it doesn't matter, if it's Cincy, doesn't matter.

727
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:03,760
Speaker 2: I like, you know, the Chiefs. It's all bad right there.

728
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 2: So to me, that's that's a bad bed if you're

729
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 2: typing type in any type of future on a team.

730
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:10,879
Speaker 2: This is one I've not even thought about it at all.

731
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 2: It just does not line upright for them. But like

732
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 2: I said, if for the owner of the team, you

733
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 2: just want to have nine to ten wins every year,

734
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 2: congrats you built that team. Like that's what this team

735
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 2: feels like they're going to be for the next four

736
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 2: to five years. They're always going to be in it,

737
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,399
Speaker 2: but no one is gonna have faith in them actually

738
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 2: going doing anything with this team. So yeah, it's it's tough.

739
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:33,720
Speaker 2: If you're a fan of the team, you have high hopes,

740
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 2: but as it better here to be really honest, yet,

741
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 2: I just there's nothing here I really want to invest

742
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 2: in on this team.

743
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 1: You guys both pointed out two was kind of a

744
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: beat up on bad teams win at home, flashy, mile wide,

745
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 1: inch deep as a quarterback. Two and ten straight up, three,

746
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 1: eight and one against the spread are way from home

747
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:05,839
Speaker 1: versus winning teams in his career. His last straight up

748
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: win came in September of twenty twenty two against the Ravens.

749
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 1: So that's seven consecutive losses. And I think we all

750
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 1: remember that game crazy hot. It's one of those early

751
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 1: season games that like, it's really challenging for the opposing team.

752
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 1: Looking at the Dolphins schedule, Miami is projected to play

753
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: away from home versus a winning team, potentially in Week

754
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: three against the Seahawks, Week nine versus the Bills, Week

755
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: ten versus the Rams, Week thirteen, versus the Packers, Week fifteen,

756
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 1: versus the Texans, Week seventeen versus the Browns, Week eighteen

757
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 1: against the Jets. That's one, two, three, four, five, six,

758
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 1: seven potential games against winning teams over the course of

759
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 1: the season. And that does not build well for this

760
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 1: team at all.

761
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 2: No, No, it's and again that's Bill for cole Weather.

762
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 2: They're not. Now that's not like that's I picked up

763
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 2: when you said a bunch of those are cold weather games.

764
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, look, he struggles go back to Tennessee.

765
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 3: Played Tennessee three years ago, and the first quarter it

766
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,800
Speaker 3: looked really good. It started to rain in Tennessee forty

767
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 3: five degrees in rain. His hands are small, he can't

768
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 3: control the ball in bad weather. I mean it's perfect conditions.

769
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 3: He's good. Look they got Tyreek Hill. Could he stay

770
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 3: healthy for all seventeen I don't know. Armstead the left

771
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:36,879
Speaker 3: tackle can't stay healthy for a game, let alone all

772
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 3: seventeen games. So you know, Isaiah wins on pup And

773
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 3: of course you haven't mentioned ched. They have the great

774
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 3: O'Dell Beckham, which is guaranteed you to get bet by everybody.

775
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, Odell's the greatest receiver that ever played.

776
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 3: I mean people are going to put him in the

777
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame. But at some point, at some point,

778
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:57,399
Speaker 3: all that all what we've learned is you could talk

779
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 3: all the offense you want. Kansas City one last year

780
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 3: with their defense, Let's make no bones about it. They

781
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 3: have the greatest quarterback. Don't get me wrong. They won

782
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 3: with defense. They were able to stay in games with

783
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 3: their defense, and I don't see it. You know, they

784
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 3: signed Jordan Poyer, who's going to StEB a hard time

785
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 3: staying healthy. Ramsey's a good corner, but everybody's going to

786
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:17,720
Speaker 3: throw on Kendall Fuller. You know, where's the rush. Kalais

787
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 3: Campbell actually was Atlanta's best defense of lineman. He had

788
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:24,359
Speaker 3: nineteen quarterback pressures last year. So he comes in, But

789
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 3: can you expect him to fill in for Wilkins? Who's

790
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 3: a Really they made no attempt to sign Wilkins at all,

791
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 3: which I thought was ridiculous.

792
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: You know a Kalays Campbell, Mike, I think he played

793
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 1: for that nineteen seventies Boilers team. That's how long he's

794
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 1: been around b Ramsey. He's on the pup list too,

795
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 1: Like we don't know when he's going to be coming

796
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 1: back from his injury last year, so that defense is

797
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 1: in shambles. You're the GM of this team. We as

798
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:56,760
Speaker 1: Simon and I as generally layman me. More than Simon

799
00:40:57,640 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 1: could see from a mile away, this team was building

800
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 1: self towards mediocrity. What do you do with tua if

801
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 1: you're the GAM of that team, do you feel like

802
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 1: they have handicapped themselves?

803
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 2: Like?

804
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:12,879
Speaker 1: How are you building a team to escape the inertia

805
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: of eight to ten wins?

806
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 3: I'm waiting for a team to have enough balls when

807
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 3: they know who their quarterback is to draft a quarterback

808
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 3: and have the balls to replace them. See. I think

809
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,840
Speaker 3: the biggest mistake we made, I made it in the league,

810
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:29,240
Speaker 3: we all make it is when we overpay replaceable players.

811
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 2: Right.

812
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 3: Look, I'm not saying too is not a good player,

813
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 3: but he's certainly if they went to Mike White or

814
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 3: Skyler Thompson, they would be a lesser player. But maybe

815
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 3: if they drafted one. I think to me, when you

816
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 3: go down that road of overpaying good players, you end

817
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 3: up with a bad cap and not a good team.

818
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 3: Daniel Jones the perfect example. I mean, this is a

819
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 3: team the Giants thirty six percent win percentage since Tom

820
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 3: Kofflin left. But you talk to John Mara and he'll say,

821
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 3: Daniel Jones is a really good player. Well, you overpay

822
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 3: for good. You can never overpay for great. You can

823
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 3: never overpay for great. You're never overpaying Patrick Mahomes. You're

824
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 3: not overpaying Josh Allen. But you're going to overpay Brandon

825
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 3: Au because the media wants you to overpay him because

826
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 3: he thinks he's a top five receiver when yet his

827
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 3: numbers don't even are not the same as DJ Moore,

828
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 3: who makes twenty seven and a half night. That's where

829
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 3: you get in trouble with the cap and I think

830
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 3: that's where Miami is now. You know, they've paid no

831
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 3: attention to the offensive and defensive lines, which to me

832
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 3: is the essence of how you win championships.

833
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 1: Isn't it interesting just to go back to the GM

834
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: thing for one second? You know, I watched the Hard

835
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 1: Knots with the Giants, and I thought they're GM. In

836
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:44,439
Speaker 1: those early couple of episodes about Saquon Barkley, they tried

837
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 1: to frame him as being a little bit out of

838
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 1: his depth, when in fact, he very well may be

839
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,360
Speaker 1: on the right side history here because that offensive line

840
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 1: was so bad, and if you've invested in Daniel Jones,

841
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 1: you basically have this season to figure out is he

842
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 1: any good or not. You can't overspend on Saquon and

843
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 1: not do anything to improve the offensive line, which, by

844
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: the way, it's why we look at offensive and defensive

845
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: line rankings when we're doing these previews. But Mike, from

846
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:15,760
Speaker 1: your point of view, when you saw how Joe Shine

847
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 1: was managing that situation and came across in Hard Knocks,

848
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 1: was that a nightmare for you as a GM. Did

849
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 1: you think, oh, he's managing as well? What was your

850
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 1: take on that.

851
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 3: I thought he managed like somebody at Biggie Sports bar

852
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 3: up in North Jersey. I thought he hurt our profession

853
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 3: in the sense that it wasn't That's not how it

854
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 3: should be run. There should be models. If we signed

855
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 3: Brian Burns and pay this, this is what our team

856
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 3: looks like. If we sign, if we don't, we sign

857
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 3: these five players. This is what our team looks like.

858
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 3: It's never about one thing. And he's talked about what

859
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 3: you said. I agreed with offensive line, but signing Germaine

860
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 3: Alumino or doesn't. If he's your best top offensive lineman,

861
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:00,359
Speaker 3: you better go back to your pro personnel guy and say,

862
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 3: wait a minute, something's wrong here. This guy's been on

863
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 3: six teams. He's our pro best, he's our best player.

864
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,720
Speaker 3: And then they signed running and that's it. See, everything

865
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:10,879
Speaker 3: the Giants have done is always about protecting their draft picks.

866
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 3: Evan Neil's still on pup, can't play, they need to write.

867
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 3: So now Allumino's playing right tackle. So they signed Van

868
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,879
Speaker 3: Note who is Now they have the Raiders right side

869
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 3: of the line of last year? How do you think

870
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 3: that's going to work out for him? So for me,

871
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:25,839
Speaker 3: what I had a real issue with.

872
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:26,919
Speaker 2: I learned this.

873
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:30,879
Speaker 3: From the Giants because of Belichick and because of everything ourselves.

874
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:34,280
Speaker 3: There's no identity there. We don't know who they are.

875
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 3: I want a general manager walk in and say this

876
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 3: is who we are. We're going to rebuild, this is

877
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 3: what we're going to build, a deep like I would

878
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:43,439
Speaker 3: have signed Christian Wilkins and pay whatever it took, then

879
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 3: signed Brian Burns because with Lawrence and Wilkins inside, now

880
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 3: Jalen Hurts is going to have to run around the pocket.

881
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 3: Let me ask you both this question. Did you ever

882
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 3: hear them ever say how are we going to beat Dallas?

883
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 3: How are we going to beat Philly? Al Davis is

884
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 3: going to deserk not launce? Did they ever mention ol

885
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 3: Davis would have gone berserk by not hearing that? So

886
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 3: for me, it was a little too fandom for me

887
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 3: because I take great pride in the profession. But it's

888
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 3: not about what players should we sign, it's how are

889
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 3: we going to build this team?

890
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:19,839
Speaker 1: New England one hundred and eighty to one to win

891
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl twenty five to one plus twenty five

892
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 1: hundred to win the division.

893
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 3: You know what I call those odds. Those are Saint

894
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 3: Jude's plays. Chad, give them money to Saint Jud's. Give

895
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:34,760
Speaker 3: them money to Saint Jude's. Right, say give them money.

896
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 3: Those kids at Saint Jud's are fighting and we should

897
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 3: help them. Don't waste your money on the Patriots. Give

898
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:41,800
Speaker 3: it to Saint Juds.

899
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 1: It's only people out on Route one who are betting

900
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: those numbers.

901
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 2: I don't think they are.

902
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 1: And the win total is four and a half. Combine

903
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 1: this with the second hardest schedule, an A Line rank

904
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 1: of twenty eighth, a D Line rank of fifteenth, Simon.

905
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 1: What I do know is that we're going to bet

906
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 1: the Patriots in Week one. After that, I pretty much

907
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 1: think we're at again.

908
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 2: No, it has to be per set, but yeah, they

909
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 2: like they're already having a disaster camp where I think

910
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 2: their best de tackle has like blood clots or something

911
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 2: like that. And he came he's out for the year. Yeah,

912
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 2: And if you watch his tape chat, this is like

913
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 2: a hand picked Belichick guy, Like this guy is ascending

914
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:24,359
Speaker 2: to be one of the better players in the league,

915
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 2: and now he might not play this season. You know

916
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 2: they're they're putting a lot onto Christian Dallas at the

917
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:32,359
Speaker 2: quarnerback position, which is a guy that I thought, you know,

918
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 2: Belichick coached up great and he was one of their

919
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,879
Speaker 2: best corners, and you know, you think he's gonna be better,

920
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:40,479
Speaker 2: but again Bill's gone. That's my biggest issue with this team.

921
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 2: It's like people want to keep talking abot how good

922
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 2: their defense was last year, and it's like, I don't

923
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:47,799
Speaker 2: think they understand that having the greatest mind ever that

924
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:50,360
Speaker 2: coach the defense, it's gonna be a big loss, Like

925
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 2: he's not gonna be there and put them into these situations,

926
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 2: which is what Belichick's so great. He's so great at

927
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 2: putting these guys into great situations where it's like, oh,

928
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 2: we've practiced this situation a thousand times, exactly what to

929
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 2: do in these spots. That's gone. Even if the coach

930
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 2: they brought in is a guy who's off Belichick's tree,

931
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 2: it's still different. They're just because the guy played from

932
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 2: doesn't that means gonna have the same style. So this

933
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 2: is a team. I wanted to bet their over honesty

934
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 2: check because I wanted to be like, you know what,

935
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 2: they're not gonna be as bad as people perceive. But

936
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:19,839
Speaker 2: it's more I dug into if they've drafted these two

937
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:23,359
Speaker 2: really good wide receivers's this upcoming season, there's still not enough,

938
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 2: not enough there for me to build on. Where you

939
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 2: already talked about. It's the division's brutal, and their schedule

940
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 2: is brutal. It's just I can't find the wins there.

941
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 2: So they right now are the number one team for

942
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 2: worst record. So if you want to bet them worst record,

943
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 2: I think it's only plus three fifty, which is the

944
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 2: smallest dodge you can get right now. And worst team

945
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 2: of football. Now, let you know where the bookmakers are at.

946
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:45,839
Speaker 2: They envisioned his team being, you know, either one number

947
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 2: one or two pick, and that means you're gonna have

948
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:50,319
Speaker 2: to have to make a decision on Drake Namos likely,

949
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:53,800
Speaker 2: which sounds stupid, but it's like we've seen it before.

950
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 2: Right when Josh Rosen, the Cardinals were like, all right,

951
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 2: we're out on this guy. They were happy to take

952
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:00,320
Speaker 2: clim Erray with the number one pick. I mean, we

953
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 2: didn't eve talk about the Eagles. They did pay Wins

954
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 2: all that money and they took Hurts, not even two

955
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 2: years later in a draft the Bears the best most

956
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:11,280
Speaker 2: recent example, they moved on right away. So the teams

957
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 2: are quickly pro Trey Lance, right. So I wouldn't be

958
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 2: shocked to see Drake May by a week four or five,

959
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 2: even if we don't think he's ready and people don't

960
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 2: think he's ready, they might be in the position where

961
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 2: it's like, well, this kid coming out now is upposed

962
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 2: to be the next big thing. We might have a

963
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 2: number one pick. We got to see what we have

964
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 2: here in Drake May, which again I don't totally agree with,

965
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 2: but at the same time, they might not have a

966
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 2: choice here. So yeah, it's like you're talking about these

967
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 2: numbers here. It doesn't even seem to real that they

968
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:40,879
Speaker 2: are twenty five to one in the list division. That's

969
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 2: how far they have fallen. And it's it's all over right,

970
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 2: Bill's gone, Tom's gone. It's really dark days ahead for

971
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 2: this new England team right now. So I think them

972
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 2: having the most the best on odds that number one

973
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 2: pick is not shocking. We just think it's gonna be

974
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 2: a bottom feeding year for this this new England team.

975
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 3: Mike, I think to me, you know, look, nobody talks

976
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,799
Speaker 3: about losing Belichick. The sixth best team in red zone

977
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:10,399
Speaker 3: defense last year, six best team and third down that's

978
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 3: going to change.

979
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 2: You know.

980
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 3: That's the scheme element of the game that's controlled by

981
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:17,879
Speaker 3: not as much talent as is by scheme on third

982
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 3: and out and in the red zone. So those numbers

983
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 3: are going to go up. In six games, they scored

984
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 3: less than ten points. They had the worst field goal

985
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 3: kicker in football, and yet you know they were in games.

986
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 3: They weren't as bad as their record. They were horribly

987
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:35,400
Speaker 3: coached offensively, no mistake. But the thing that worries your

988
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,799
Speaker 3: most is moving forward with a young quarterback, is their

989
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 3: tackle poor. They have no offensive tackles. They signed Michael

990
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 3: Alanu to be the right tackle, but he showed up

991
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 3: at three hundred and eighty pounds. They had a movement

992
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 3: to guard. He's too fat, so they have no right

993
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 3: to the right tackle now is Calvin Anderson, who was

994
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 3: had malaria last year when he took a trip to Africa,

995
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 3: so I don't know where that is. And then left

996
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:58,840
Speaker 3: tackle is the kid that Pittsburgh cut Okafer, he's going

997
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 3: to be They have no tax. You can't play with

998
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 3: no offensive line, and so you know. Yeah, I think, Look,

999
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 3: the reason you like that them in week one is

1000
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:11,360
Speaker 3: because Zach Taylor zero and four and two of the

1001
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 3: first two games of the year the last two seasons.

1002
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 3: So that makes all the sense in the world. I

1003
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 3: get that he says he's changing how he's preparing his team,

1004
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 3: but there's no way this defense. The defense played one

1005
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:24,839
Speaker 3: hundred and thirty one more plays in their offense last year.

1006
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 3: That's two full games. Yeah, that's a doubleheader, you know.

1007
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 3: And so you're on the field weight and that's what

1008
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 3: the sixth best third down defense. So think about how

1009
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 3: bad this offense is. And so I don't see it.

1010
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 3: Mayo is a first time head coach. He's got twenty

1011
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:41,280
Speaker 3: five people on his coaching staff. How does he manage

1012
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 3: twenty five people? He's never managed anybody in his life.

1013
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 3: Covington has never coordinated before. I think this is a

1014
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 3: mess I would play if I played anything. I'm going

1015
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 3: to say, they're going to have the first pick of

1016
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 3: the draft. They are going to be everybody's survivor pick

1017
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:59,319
Speaker 3: pretty much every week in the circuit contest. You know,

1018
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 3: out where where our studio is that there, people are

1019
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 3: going to run to the to bet them. And for

1020
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 3: all the talk that Belichick can't be a GM, they've

1021
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:12,240
Speaker 3: signed all his players back. It's funny, it's it's all.

1022
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 3: It's all the media. How the perception comes in.

1023
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:21,240
Speaker 1: Well, it is amazing the Belichick hate that has happened

1024
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 1: the past twenty four months. You know, everyone loves the

1025
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 1: Tom Brady narrative and that he was the reason. But

1026
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 1: I'll pose a different question to you. Andy Reid has

1027
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 1: now won two Super Bowls in a row. He's got

1028
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 1: three overall. He's going to stick around, I guess for

1029
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 1: as long as he wants, or you know, until he

1030
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:45,880
Speaker 1: realizes that he doesn't have Patrick Mahomes anymore. Do you

1031
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:51,439
Speaker 1: feel like there is any chance Andy Reid takes over

1032
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:54,800
Speaker 1: the mantle of best coach of all time from Bill Belichick?

1033
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 2: Well, I think no.

1034
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 3: But because you know, when he's an Eagle fan, you

1035
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 3: remember a lot of the heartache, a lot of conference

1036
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 3: championship games, a lot of some really strange game management decisions.

1037
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:09,240
Speaker 3: I used to say Andy should outsource his game management

1038
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 3: to India at times when he would do some things

1039
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 3: that I wasn't sure what he was doing, but.

1040
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 2: Said the running Joko Philly is Andy Reid the best

1041
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 2: coach for fifty eight minutes. It's the last two. Yeah.

1042
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 3: And he's gotten away with it with Mahomes because you

1043
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 3: go back to the Tampa game when they played down there,

1044
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 3: four third down, he calls, Look, I think Andy's great,

1045
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 3: but I think Bill. You know, that whole documentary irritates

1046
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:35,240
Speaker 3: the hell out of me because I was in the building.

1047
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 3: I know what he did.

1048
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:36,839
Speaker 2: Right.

1049
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:40,240
Speaker 3: The fact that Super Bowl winning general manager Terry Fottna

1050
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 3: of the Alata Falcons says that he was not even

1051
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 3: in their top three candidates is a little bit of

1052
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:48,799
Speaker 3: a ridiculous statement, right, you know you're telling me there's

1053
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 3: four better. Meanwhile, if you asked Andy Reid who don't

1054
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 3: you want to compete against? Or ask Kyle Shannan, who

1055
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:58,479
Speaker 3: don't you want to compete against? I think the answer

1056
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 3: would be Belichick and the page have treated him like

1057
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 3: he didn't do anything there, and so now they're going

1058
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 3: to find out what life's like without a great coach.

1059
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 3: And I'm going to enjoy watching it, I really am.

1060
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 1: If you're starting a team, right, you get hired tomorrow

1061
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 1: by a team and you've got to hire a head coach.

1062
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 1: Money is no object. You can go after anybody in

1063
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 1: the NFL right now, you're not going to go after

1064
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 1: Andy Reid. But of the class of coaches, which is

1065
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 1: basically anyone who's ever shaken Sean mcvay's hand, who do

1066
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:31,240
Speaker 1: you decide to go hire?

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Speaker 3: Well, I think to me, old school hasn't gone out

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Speaker 3: of style. Andy Reid's going to play as guys in

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Speaker 3: the preseason. Andy Reid has truft taty camps. He's the

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Speaker 3: best coach in football. Andy Reid finds ways to play

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Speaker 3: the game each week differently. So this whole notion that

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Speaker 3: you have to be a player friendly coach isn't exactly

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Speaker 3: how Kansas City operates their program. I mean I would

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Speaker 3: hire Bill because I would get the best defensive coach.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to have great team toughness. I need that.

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Speaker 3: You can't be a team like Miami without toughness. Mike

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Speaker 3: McDaniel is great for the media, but East four and

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Speaker 3: ten over the last second half of the season, you

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Speaker 3: know there's no toughness to that team. There's no idea,

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Speaker 3: there's no I'm going to punch you in the mouth.

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Speaker 3: Football is a game of punching in the mouth. So

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Speaker 3: I would do that. But this week we've become a

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Speaker 3: softler gentler league. Well, I worked for Bill Walsh when

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Speaker 3: we went to practice at Rockland in a hundred degree

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Speaker 3: heat at eight thirty in the morning. We didn't walk

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Speaker 3: afternoon practice that was a walkthrough with special teams or

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Speaker 3: it was a special teams. I mean, it was hard.

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Speaker 2: It was grueling.

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Speaker 3: That's what the NFL is. It's a grueling marathon. And

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Speaker 3: John Harball knows that. That's why I think the Chargers

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Speaker 3: are going to be better because Jim Harball is going

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Speaker 3: to give them toughness. So I want somebody who can

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Speaker 3: develop talent and who's going to give a team a

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Speaker 3: toughness and who can be a strategist. I mean, how

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Speaker 3: many times do you want to watch a coach Nick

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Speaker 3: Siriani's going berzerk on the sideline. I don't want that.

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Speaker 3: I want to I want a chess player. I want

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Speaker 3: somebody thinking. I want somebody like Belichick who's watching Seattle's

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Speaker 3: and he doesn't call time out even though I'm up

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Speaker 3: in the booth screaming for him to call time out,

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Speaker 3: and he blocks me out and he says something's not right,

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Speaker 3: and we intercept them in the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: By the way, that is one of the greatest clips

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Speaker 1: he decides not to do a Simon. You know what

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the pic, Oh.

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Speaker 1: So good, so good. Lombardi listen GM Shuffle is amazing.

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Speaker 1: You've written a book years ago. I remember you sent

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Speaker 1: it to me. Fantastic, Thank great insight, Thanks for coming

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