WEBVTT - Hard to Penetrate with Sophia Bush 0:00:01.120 --> 0:00:05.400 Hi, Hello, Hello, how are you this morning. I'm good, 0:00:05.680 --> 0:00:08.280 I'm good. How was your vacation? Oh my god, it 0:00:08.320 --> 0:00:11.719 was so good? Oh yeah, yeah, Oh my gosh, it 0:00:11.760 --> 0:00:15.440 was wonderfault. We stayed at the Weston Resort that had 0:00:15.760 --> 0:00:19.680 waterfalls and slides and all kinds of things, and of 0:00:19.680 --> 0:00:22.239 course I like did all the kitty water slides, which 0:00:22.280 --> 0:00:25.120 was very fun. And then we went to the wedding 0:00:25.160 --> 0:00:28.800 at the Four Seasons on Maui, the White Lotus Hotel. 0:00:29.320 --> 0:00:34.440 Oh yeah, oh cute. So that was fun. I remember 0:00:34.440 --> 0:00:37.240 when Connie Britton was filming there, She's like, this place's magic, 0:00:37.320 --> 0:00:40.960 come visit because it was all closed off for COVID. Mmmmmm, 0:00:42.040 --> 0:00:45.760 Hi Brad, Hi Brad you guys, Chelsea. I have to 0:00:45.800 --> 0:00:48.440 say I love that you caught the ire of Tucker 0:00:48.440 --> 0:00:52.479 Carlson and those motherfuckers. I take a lot of pleasure 0:00:52.479 --> 0:00:55.000 in that. Yeah, your response was pretty epic, though, it 0:00:55.040 --> 0:00:59.160 was pretty Oh thanks. Can you imagine having a conversation 0:00:59.200 --> 0:01:02.520 about women drying? In twenty twenty three, somebody wrote there 0:01:02.600 --> 0:01:07.200 parodying misogyny, like it it's not even how you really 0:01:07.280 --> 0:01:13.080 are misogynistic anymore. It's so ridiculous, it's so basic intellectual 0:01:13.280 --> 0:01:17.720 like women hating. I just love men telling us how 0:01:17.760 --> 0:01:21.440 miserable we are, because what the fuck do you care 0:01:21.520 --> 0:01:25.280 what we're doing? You fucking go get a life. Oh 0:01:25.480 --> 0:01:28.560 imagine reporting on me and my childless video as a 0:01:28.600 --> 0:01:32.479 news anchor. His hot takes, his hot takes. There's any 0:01:32.680 --> 0:01:35.320 more hot takes? We need it. It's not from Tucker Carlson. 0:01:35.920 --> 0:01:39.480 Oh my god, serio journalism. Are we calling that journalist? No, 0:01:39.600 --> 0:01:41.760 it's not journalism. I don't even think he claims to 0:01:41.760 --> 0:01:45.119 be a journalist. He's just talking. He's like an entertainer, yes, 0:01:45.319 --> 0:01:49.000 a personality, if you will, just like me, I also 0:01:49.040 --> 0:01:52.240 have a personality, indeed, you dude, And when those two 0:01:52.280 --> 0:01:58.760 personalities collide, it makes for entertainment, makes for very very 0:01:58.800 --> 0:02:02.400 good content. You must be so sad up there, surrounded 0:02:02.440 --> 0:02:05.040 by friends and family, having the time of your life 0:02:05.040 --> 0:02:07.440 on a mountaintop. I know, I was sitting in my underwear. 0:02:07.480 --> 0:02:09.480 It was so funny. I was lying in bed, just 0:02:09.560 --> 0:02:11.800 like he thought I would be. I was lying in bed, 0:02:12.160 --> 0:02:14.360 and I was taking the day off from skiing because 0:02:14.360 --> 0:02:15.800 I had to I had to read a script. I 0:02:15.800 --> 0:02:17.799 had to read all this stuff. I'm sitting in bed 0:02:17.840 --> 0:02:19.680 and then I get all these alerts from like, you know, 0:02:19.720 --> 0:02:21.560 people going have you seen this? Have you seen this? 0:02:21.680 --> 0:02:24.919 And after like the sixteenth one, I'm like, I guess 0:02:24.960 --> 0:02:27.600 I'm gonna have to take a shower and fucking respond 0:02:27.680 --> 0:02:30.320 to this asshole. And then the Daily Show emailed me 0:02:30.360 --> 0:02:32.480 and they're like, do you have to respond? We will 0:02:32.520 --> 0:02:34.480 help you write a response. I was like, great, this 0:02:34.560 --> 0:02:36.200 is what I want to say. They wrote it, then 0:02:36.240 --> 0:02:38.600 send it back to me, and then I edited it 0:02:38.680 --> 0:02:41.120 and like added some stuff, and then I was like, Okay. 0:02:41.400 --> 0:02:43.920 It was really funny because that's what got me out 0:02:43.960 --> 0:02:46.520 of bed that day was Tucker Carlson. I was like, 0:02:46.639 --> 0:02:48.280 I can't believe I had to take a shower for 0:02:48.320 --> 0:02:52.600 this fucking asshole so I can film something. Yeah, oh 0:02:52.639 --> 0:02:56.639 my goodness, that's one way to do that. I can't 0:02:56.680 --> 0:02:58.840 wait to see what he says next. But it'd be 0:02:58.840 --> 0:03:00.800 funny if he got so scared that he just didn't 0:03:00.840 --> 0:03:08.120 respond again my god, all right, oh my goodness. I 0:03:08.200 --> 0:03:13.040 just added a show to Red Rocks Amphitheater in Morrison, Colorado. Yes, 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:16.720 I'm coming to Red Rocks, which is gonna be awesome. 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:20.160 That's gonna be very very cool. I know that's like 0:03:20.280 --> 0:03:24.200 one of Brad's favorite venues. Okay, So, our guest today 0:03:24.440 --> 0:03:26.840 is a friend of mine. She is a co host 0:03:27.000 --> 0:03:30.000 of the iHeart podcast Drama Queens with her co stars 0:03:30.000 --> 0:03:32.640 from One Tree Hill. She hosts her own podcast called 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:35.640 Work in Progress, which I've been in or on, and 0:03:35.680 --> 0:03:39.720 she starts in the upcoming film called Junction. She's an actress, 0:03:39.760 --> 0:03:43.480 she's an entrepreneur my favorite word, and activist. Sophia Bush. 0:03:43.520 --> 0:03:49.800 It's here, Hi Sophia, Hi, Hi honey Bunny, Hi cutie pie. 0:03:50.240 --> 0:03:52.760 Oh you're the best. Thanks for coming in so on 0:03:52.920 --> 0:03:57.080 such short notice. Oh my god, wouldn't miss it. How's Whistler? 0:03:57.520 --> 0:03:59.920 Pretty magical? We've been getting a lot of snow. It's 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:02.680 been light all season and now it's coming. So yesterday 0:04:02.840 --> 0:04:06.080 was just like it was like skiing on clouds. We 0:04:06.080 --> 0:04:08.720 were just like bouncing all over. It was so fun. 0:04:09.080 --> 0:04:11.400 I gotta get out there with you one of these seasons. 0:04:11.440 --> 0:04:14.240 I just love it so much. Sophia, this is Katherine, 0:04:14.320 --> 0:04:17.520 this is my co host. How are you? I'm great? 0:04:17.520 --> 0:04:21.240 How are you? Thank you good? Got your ice coffee? 0:04:21.400 --> 0:04:24.120 What are you drinking? Sophia? What kind of concoction is that? 0:04:24.520 --> 0:04:27.760 It's bone broth. Oh god, I knew it would be 0:04:27.800 --> 0:04:30.760 something of that elk. You know, I was wondering. I 0:04:30.800 --> 0:04:32.599 was like, is she going to answer the zoom? She 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:35.200 going to be in like maple leaf pasties with a martini. 0:04:35.279 --> 0:04:38.000 I would have loved it, I know. I know. That's 0:04:38.080 --> 0:04:40.400 usually how I operate around here. I just go throughout 0:04:40.400 --> 0:04:42.320 the town the villages. I like to refer to it 0:04:42.400 --> 0:04:45.159 as because to me, it is a village. Sophia. We 0:04:45.240 --> 0:04:47.039 have a lot to catch up on because you got 0:04:47.080 --> 0:04:50.920 married without my permission and I was planning being there, 0:04:51.000 --> 0:04:52.600 but then I was on tour, so I couldn't come 0:04:52.600 --> 0:04:54.520 to your wedding, which was I really wanted to be 0:04:54.600 --> 0:04:57.880 there with you on your special day. Tell me about it. 0:04:58.560 --> 0:05:02.000 I know I missed your humor. It was amazing. It 0:05:02.120 --> 0:05:06.880 was so tremendously special. Also, your tour was fucking badass. 0:05:07.000 --> 0:05:10.159 I love the New Special so much. I'm really having 0:05:10.200 --> 0:05:13.320 a great time. I watched it three times. Oh my god, 0:05:13.600 --> 0:05:18.360 making nighttime like joy moment. So thank you. The wedding 0:05:18.440 --> 0:05:21.159 was amazing, you know it's I mean, I don't know 0:05:21.160 --> 0:05:23.360 how you feel about the weird shit that comes with 0:05:23.360 --> 0:05:27.640 what we do, but when we got engaged. It was 0:05:28.600 --> 0:05:32.440 wild to see, like the amount of attention that an 0:05:32.480 --> 0:05:37.160 Instagram post garnered. I wasn't prepared for articles and languages 0:05:37.160 --> 0:05:39.640 that I have no idea how to read, and for 0:05:40.080 --> 0:05:42.080 it to be such news. I was like, you know, 0:05:42.160 --> 0:05:46.400 like Jennifer Aniston is famous, like Reese Witherspoon is famous, 0:05:46.440 --> 0:05:48.920 like I don't know, like I do TV. But I didn't. 0:05:49.120 --> 0:05:52.080 I didn't expect that, And it actually really enabled us 0:05:52.120 --> 0:05:55.559 in talking about how that felt and what that meant 0:05:55.600 --> 0:05:58.120 and was there a way to make it seem less overwhelming. 0:05:58.760 --> 0:06:01.200 It enabled us to figure out how, if that was 0:06:01.240 --> 0:06:03.400 going to be the sort of attention that comes from 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:06.400 our relationship, how we could do something really good with it. 0:06:06.480 --> 0:06:10.039 And so we went to Tulsa and it was really 0:06:10.080 --> 0:06:15.320 an unbelievable moment. And being able to use our wedding 0:06:15.360 --> 0:06:18.839 to teach folks about the nineteen twenty one race massacre 0:06:19.080 --> 0:06:22.120 and about doctor Tiffany Crutcher and all the people on 0:06:22.160 --> 0:06:24.440 the ground, the Blackwall Street Times and their staff, all 0:06:24.440 --> 0:06:26.720 the people who were doing the work to rebuild Greenwood. 0:06:27.360 --> 0:06:32.159 Getting Vogue magazine to talk about Greenwood felt really cool. 0:06:32.640 --> 0:06:34.679 So it was special for us, and it was special 0:06:34.680 --> 0:06:37.000 for our community. And did you guys, either one of 0:06:37.040 --> 0:06:40.239 you have a tie tell Tulsa. Yeah. Grant is a 0:06:40.240 --> 0:06:44.080 fifth generation Oklahoma and he grew up in a farming 0:06:44.120 --> 0:06:48.080 family and their three hours west of Tulsa. And so 0:06:48.720 --> 0:06:50.840 when we went on our very first trip to visit 0:06:50.880 --> 0:06:52.920 his family, he was like, Hey, I have these friends 0:06:52.960 --> 0:06:56.760 working on progressive politics and social justice and Tulsa and 0:06:57.240 --> 0:06:59.080 do you want to go three hours east of my 0:06:59.160 --> 0:07:01.520 parents and meet them too? And I was like, I'm 0:07:01.520 --> 0:07:04.600 going to marry the shit out of this man. Good 0:07:04.800 --> 0:07:07.359 I do. I want to go meet that whole community. 0:07:07.440 --> 0:07:09.640 So for the last three years, Tulsa has kind of 0:07:09.640 --> 0:07:13.240 been our home away from home. Oh cute, that's cool. 0:07:13.640 --> 0:07:16.600 I'm performing in Tulsa coming up when, oh my god, 0:07:16.640 --> 0:07:18.280 we'll come. I don't know. I have to look at 0:07:18.280 --> 0:07:20.760 my calendar, but I know I have a Tulsa, Oklahoma date. 0:07:21.080 --> 0:07:23.640 Oh great. And I don't think I've ever performed in Tulsa. 0:07:23.720 --> 0:07:26.559 I've performed Oklahoma City, which is always fun. It's always 0:07:26.560 --> 0:07:28.800 fun to go to those cities because you just like 0:07:28.880 --> 0:07:31.680 what you're talking about. There's a whole you know, undercurrent 0:07:31.720 --> 0:07:35.480 of liberalism. Always to pocket in these cities, and so 0:07:35.520 --> 0:07:37.080 when you go there and then you meet up with 0:07:37.080 --> 0:07:39.360 your people, you're like, oh, yeah, this is great. You know, 0:07:39.480 --> 0:07:44.160 there's like minded at people everywhere, truly, and Tulsa so special, 0:07:44.200 --> 0:07:47.800 and the sort of richness of the history there and 0:07:47.840 --> 0:07:51.760 the black history there and the progressive history there and 0:07:52.160 --> 0:07:54.920 the sort of classic Americana and the music and all 0:07:54.920 --> 0:07:58.440 the art, and it's just like a really unbelievably beautiful 0:07:58.480 --> 0:08:01.200 place and it's well, we should probably cover the Tulsa 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:03.560 massacre for those of you who are listening who are 0:08:03.760 --> 0:08:06.680 not familiar with what happened in Tulsa, Sophia, do you 0:08:06.720 --> 0:08:10.080 want to lead on this? Yeah, So in nineteen twenty one, 0:08:10.360 --> 0:08:13.720 a case that began very similarly. You know, most people 0:08:13.760 --> 0:08:15.560 know about the murder of Emmett Till when he was 0:08:15.640 --> 0:08:19.120 young and accused of whistling at a white woman who 0:08:19.160 --> 0:08:21.440 happens to still be alive and has never been brought 0:08:21.440 --> 0:08:23.880 to justice for what she did to that fourteen year 0:08:23.920 --> 0:08:26.880 old boy. It was the photographs of him that really 0:08:26.920 --> 0:08:33.040 helped to educate America on what the enactment of racist 0:08:33.080 --> 0:08:38.600 violence looks like. And Tulsa is as an event the 0:08:38.679 --> 0:08:41.840 massacre of nineteen twenty one, which was inaccurately called a 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:44.640 race riot. You know, they love to call things riots 0:08:44.720 --> 0:08:49.040 that have harmed at risk communities, and in Tulsa as well, 0:08:49.080 --> 0:08:52.280 there's so much evidence in terms of not just photographs, 0:08:52.280 --> 0:08:56.120 but insurance records. We understand the devastation of families, and 0:08:56.200 --> 0:09:00.920 we understand not only the emotional and graphical impacts, but 0:09:00.960 --> 0:09:04.760 we understand the financial impacts of those things, which historically 0:09:04.760 --> 0:09:07.640 in violence against black communities have been harder to prove. 0:09:07.760 --> 0:09:11.440 It's harder to go back into the eighteen hundreds, for example, 0:09:11.520 --> 0:09:15.720 and have those conversations. So Tulsa is an interesting place 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:19.480 to get educated for the breadth of information that you 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:22.400 can gather. And in nineteen twenty one, a young man 0:09:22.880 --> 0:09:25.720 was accused of attacking a young black man was accused 0:09:25.720 --> 0:09:28.679 of attacking a white woman in an elevator. Didn't happen. 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:33.880 He was then taken to jail, and fathers and men 0:09:34.000 --> 0:09:36.640 in the black community came to the jail and surrounded 0:09:36.679 --> 0:09:39.439 it to ensure that this young man was not lynched 0:09:39.520 --> 0:09:43.760 by white members of the community, who publicly stated that 0:09:43.840 --> 0:09:45.360 day that they were going to bring a lynch mob 0:09:45.400 --> 0:09:48.640 to the jail that night. And the men came armed 0:09:49.080 --> 0:09:54.040 both sides did. It turned into a pretty violent situation 0:09:54.160 --> 0:09:58.959 very quickly. And the really arresting thing to understand about 0:09:59.000 --> 0:10:01.760 Tulsa is that, with the support of the National Guard, 0:10:02.280 --> 0:10:06.840 white citizens were deputized as sheriff's deputies on the spot 0:10:07.520 --> 0:10:13.640 and they murdered hundreds of black families. They got farmers 0:10:13.679 --> 0:10:16.000 who had planes for crop dusting up in the air 0:10:16.040 --> 0:10:20.760 and firebombed Greenwood. And many of the people who have 0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:24.160 seen the Watchman or who have looked into this, know 0:10:24.440 --> 0:10:26.880 the corner of Greenwood and Archer, and they think, like 0:10:26.920 --> 0:10:29.880 that was Blackwall Street, that street was Blackwall Street. But 0:10:29.960 --> 0:10:33.160 Blackwall Street was a neighborhood that was forty square blocks 0:10:33.520 --> 0:10:36.400 in a city forty blocks by forty blocks, and the 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:40.200 entire thing was burned to the ground. Hotels and doctors 0:10:40.240 --> 0:10:43.800 offices and movie theaters and car dealerships. This was the 0:10:43.840 --> 0:10:47.640 wealthiest black community in America. There were multi millionaires in 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:52.720 nineteen twenty one in Tulsa, in Greenwood, and people didn't 0:10:52.760 --> 0:10:56.040 like it. They didn't like the success of a community 0:10:56.080 --> 0:10:58.280 that they had been trying to oppress for so long. 0:10:58.320 --> 0:11:02.200 And it is one of the most gregious violent acts 0:11:02.240 --> 0:11:07.520 that has been recorded in our nation's history, and it's heavy. 0:11:07.600 --> 0:11:09.560 It's not lost on me, and it certainly was not 0:11:09.640 --> 0:11:12.440 lost on my husband and I that in a moment 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:15.160 where we see so many people like Ding Dong, Ron 0:11:15.200 --> 0:11:18.480 DeSantis and every other asshole chatting on Fox News trying 0:11:18.520 --> 0:11:22.640 to literally ban our history. We know survivors of the 0:11:22.720 --> 0:11:25.800 race massacre. There are still living survivors of this massacre 0:11:25.840 --> 0:11:30.200 in nineteen twenty one, and if we don't learn our history, 0:11:30.840 --> 0:11:32.760 we're not going to see it coming when it begins 0:11:32.760 --> 0:11:36.560 to repeat itself. And so for us, it felt really 0:11:36.600 --> 0:11:40.479 important to have our big beautiful day on a Saturday. 0:11:40.720 --> 0:11:42.679 But ask all the people who know us, it's like, look, 0:11:42.679 --> 0:11:44.800 you're gonna you're coming to the wedding of your favorite 0:11:44.840 --> 0:11:47.920 activist friend and her former public school teacher husband. Like 0:11:48.320 --> 0:11:50.720 you're gonna do some homework. And so we did this big, 0:11:50.760 --> 0:11:54.360 beautiful museum day and toured through Greenwood and met with 0:11:54.400 --> 0:11:57.400 the Crutcher Foundation. And I have to just say thank 0:11:57.440 --> 0:12:00.199 you to everyone in Tulsa, because when I said to 0:12:00.360 --> 0:12:03.520 doctor Krutcher, who works on these justice issues every day, 0:12:03.559 --> 0:12:05.760 like can I bring two hundred people to your office? 0:12:06.240 --> 0:12:10.439 She was like what sure, okay, And so we literally 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:13.560 split everyone into these four groups to fifty and we 0:12:13.640 --> 0:12:19.199 rotated people through Greenwood all day. Wow, people time to process, 0:12:19.200 --> 0:12:22.520 and they've been to museums and journalists offices and the 0:12:22.559 --> 0:12:25.920 Greenwood Cultural Center and the John Hope Reconciliation Park and 0:12:26.400 --> 0:12:28.440 some people needed to cry and some people needed to 0:12:28.480 --> 0:12:30.840 talk about it. And we rented out a bar and 0:12:30.880 --> 0:12:32.640 we were like, do whatever you feel like you need 0:12:32.679 --> 0:12:36.240 to do, have a beer when you go home, when 0:12:36.240 --> 0:12:39.320 you talk about our wedding, please tell this story because like, 0:12:39.800 --> 0:12:42.959 plenty of people get married, but we need to make 0:12:42.960 --> 0:12:45.200 sure that this is a story that doesn't get you 0:12:45.440 --> 0:12:50.080 pulled off the bookshelves and schools like we're seeing now, Wow, 0:12:50.120 --> 0:12:52.959 that's so beautiful. It was gnarly, like a lot of 0:12:52.960 --> 0:12:56.760 people cried. But what's been beautiful about it, And what 0:12:56.880 --> 0:12:58.800 I find so special is I you know, I know 0:12:58.840 --> 0:13:01.679 it can be painful to look back at history like this. 0:13:01.920 --> 0:13:05.199 It's painful for communities, and it's hard to know that 0:13:05.840 --> 0:13:08.679 we come from humans that do this to each other, right, 0:13:09.480 --> 0:13:12.040 But what always gives me hope when I learn hard 0:13:12.160 --> 0:13:15.960 history is the people that are helping now. So it 0:13:16.040 --> 0:13:18.360 felt special to say you need to know about this, 0:13:19.000 --> 0:13:22.160 And here's all the people who have rebuilt a community 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:24.959 from the ground and are continuing to do so. When 0:13:25.000 --> 0:13:26.760 you want to know what to do about things that 0:13:26.800 --> 0:13:29.760 are this hard, look to these people and support their work. 0:13:30.280 --> 0:13:32.439 And that's where the inspiration comes, and that's where the 0:13:32.520 --> 0:13:35.720 joy comes. And that's where like the beauty out of 0:13:36.800 --> 0:13:39.199 things that were so ugly in the past, I think 0:13:39.360 --> 0:13:43.480 comes in the present. And I'll be forever grateful that 0:13:43.520 --> 0:13:46.880 that whole community said absolutely, tell us who you want 0:13:46.880 --> 0:13:48.440 to bring, and tell us what you want to want 0:13:48.480 --> 0:13:51.320 them to learn about and the best people I know. Well, 0:13:51.360 --> 0:13:53.480 it's also nice to be married to somebody who's so 0:13:53.559 --> 0:13:57.840 aligned with your political leanings right and human Well, you're 0:13:58.120 --> 0:14:01.480 passion for human rights is probably a better way to 0:14:01.520 --> 0:14:04.920 describe it, because it's been past as politics and it's 0:14:04.960 --> 0:14:07.959 not political, but it has somehow has become political. Your body, 0:14:08.080 --> 0:14:11.200 your race, all of it. So, yeah, tell me about 0:14:11.200 --> 0:14:14.280 that like kind of relationship having somebody who's totally on 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:18.720 the same page as you, because I don't know, I've 0:14:18.760 --> 0:14:21.360 never really felt completely aligned with that person that I 0:14:21.440 --> 0:14:23.960 was dating politically, like we might have some of the 0:14:24.000 --> 0:14:27.960 same beliefs but still there's a lot of disagreement. Yeah, 0:14:28.000 --> 0:14:30.280 I get that. I think what you first said is 0:14:30.320 --> 0:14:34.760 really important, right, This idea that people deserve to be 0:14:34.800 --> 0:14:39.480 treated equally shouldn't be political, the idea that whether you 0:14:39.520 --> 0:14:41.520 are a woman or you are a member of a 0:14:41.680 --> 0:14:46.200 historically repressed community, you're not supposed to just be there 0:14:46.240 --> 0:14:48.840 to serve the ruling class. We don't live in the 0:14:48.880 --> 0:14:52.320 French aristocracy, and yet there's a lot of folks in 0:14:52.360 --> 0:14:55.960 our country who love a modern day aristocracy because they 0:14:55.960 --> 0:14:58.440 get really, really rich. And the lol to me is 0:14:58.440 --> 0:15:00.200 always that they're the people who yell at us for 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:02.400 being rich. And I'm like, I'm paying a thirty year 0:15:02.440 --> 0:15:05.160 mortgage on my house, Like having had a down payment 0:15:05.320 --> 0:15:09.040 is certainly a privilege. But Tucker Carlson is so rich, 0:15:09.320 --> 0:15:11.880 Like that guy makes forty six million dollars a year 0:15:11.880 --> 0:15:14.160 and he's yelling at us. You know, we're out here 0:15:14.200 --> 0:15:16.320 like making independent movies for a dollar. I'm like, oh, 0:15:16.400 --> 0:15:19.800 fund yourself, dude. So it's not lost on me. I 0:15:19.840 --> 0:15:21.960 won't ever say a bad word about Tucker Carlson. So 0:15:22.000 --> 0:15:27.440 don't try, Sophia. I know, I know, Chelsea, You're just 0:15:27.720 --> 0:15:31.440 you're a classier broad than I. But um, you know, 0:15:31.760 --> 0:15:34.520 it's not lost on me that people make money off 0:15:34.560 --> 0:15:40.800 convincing the populace that our basic human rights are political. 0:15:41.760 --> 0:15:45.760 And I think because things have gotten so hot, like 0:15:45.800 --> 0:15:49.400 the pot is boiling right, everybody's real jumpy and people 0:15:49.440 --> 0:15:51.760 feel like their identity is tied to politics. I don't 0:15:51.800 --> 0:15:53.920 feel like that. I just feel like I'm not a 0:15:54.000 --> 0:15:57.040 ding dong who doesn't get that equal is equal and 0:15:57.120 --> 0:16:02.280 inequal isn't. And so that's sort of my first place. 0:16:02.960 --> 0:16:07.360 And I will say it is hard to find a partner, 0:16:07.800 --> 0:16:11.160 regardless of how progressive so many of the men we 0:16:11.280 --> 0:16:15.040 know are. You know, if you're looking for a heterosexual relationship, 0:16:15.840 --> 0:16:18.320 a lot of guys are like, yeah, I'm all in. 0:16:18.680 --> 0:16:22.800 But then when it's their girl that's the bright, shiny one, 0:16:23.080 --> 0:16:25.440 or their girls the one who draws the attention, or 0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:27.600 their girls the reason they get invited to the White House, 0:16:27.680 --> 0:16:30.720 or their girl makes more money than them, suddenly what 0:16:30.760 --> 0:16:35.480 they say they believe in is egotistically very difficult. And 0:16:35.560 --> 0:16:38.680 so what I think is really important is for me, 0:16:38.720 --> 0:16:43.280 at least having found a human being who had entered 0:16:43.280 --> 0:16:46.160 a stage in his life where he said, okay, I'm 0:16:46.200 --> 0:16:48.640 saying I want to meet the woman of my dreams? 0:16:49.080 --> 0:16:52.040 Where am I not aligned with what I say? But 0:16:52.200 --> 0:16:54.400 he had to confront some things, and so did I. 0:16:54.400 --> 0:16:57.760 I had to. He had to confront the ways in 0:16:57.840 --> 0:17:04.200 which he could actually tabolize what masculinity and patriarchy does 0:17:04.240 --> 0:17:08.439 in relationships, even unconsciously. For someone as evolved as he is, 0:17:08.440 --> 0:17:11.480 who has three master's degrees and loves the environment and 0:17:11.640 --> 0:17:14.159 was a teacher and all the stuff. He had to 0:17:14.200 --> 0:17:17.679 really do some inquiry about the way society kind of 0:17:17.720 --> 0:17:21.560 steeps us in these teas that are gross. And I 0:17:21.640 --> 0:17:25.960 had to do some real inquiry and go, oh, I've 0:17:25.960 --> 0:17:28.360 been in relationships with people who didn't deserve me. It's 0:17:28.359 --> 0:17:33.240 been my fault because I've tolerated somebody's ineptitude and competitiveness. 0:17:33.680 --> 0:17:38.040 So as much as past relationships and certain circumstances were trash, 0:17:38.160 --> 0:17:41.639 I took trash home with me. So you two fault 0:17:41.680 --> 0:17:45.080 system here. And I had to really get clear on 0:17:45.920 --> 0:17:48.080 where I was going to realign my boundaries. And I 0:17:48.160 --> 0:17:52.639 also had to get clear on how those experiences and 0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:57.280 other traumas I'd been through had made me really hard 0:17:58.320 --> 0:18:00.239 and I don't mean hard to be around. I mean 0:18:00.280 --> 0:18:03.280 hard to like, emotionally penetrate. I was going to say 0:18:03.280 --> 0:18:09.440 hard to penetrate. I'm like, what emotionally panget like hard 0:18:09.480 --> 0:18:11.840 to get into the heart all the way, I've had 0:18:11.960 --> 0:18:15.919 such walls, and I have such healthy emotional relationships with 0:18:15.920 --> 0:18:19.399 my friends. My platonic relationships are so loving that I 0:18:19.480 --> 0:18:22.440 was kind of like, I'm good and I had to 0:18:22.480 --> 0:18:26.640 really do some work on getting vulnerable in a way 0:18:27.320 --> 0:18:30.520 where I could not only have a rallying cry for us, 0:18:30.600 --> 0:18:33.879 for community, for justice, but I could also gently cry 0:18:33.920 --> 0:18:36.400 and say this is really hard for me. I need help. 0:18:36.480 --> 0:18:38.879 This is where I need support. This is where I 0:18:38.920 --> 0:18:42.080 normally isolate and say fuck you don't. I don't need 0:18:42.119 --> 0:18:43.399 you to carry that for me. And now I'm like, 0:18:43.400 --> 0:18:45.240 will you please just put my bag in the overhead 0:18:45.240 --> 0:18:49.119 been I'm so tired and so in a way, we 0:18:49.200 --> 0:18:53.200 had to meet on so many levels, and interestingly, in 0:18:53.760 --> 0:18:58.920 analyzing how society affects relationships between men and women, I 0:18:58.960 --> 0:19:01.840 think it made it so clear that the community politics 0:19:01.880 --> 0:19:04.800 that we believe in was like, for sure the easiest part. 0:19:05.160 --> 0:19:09.400 Dealing with your own internal individual psychosis is way harder, 0:19:09.880 --> 0:19:15.240 at least in my recent experience than aligning with somebody politically, 0:19:15.240 --> 0:19:17.560 because every dingdong they tried to date me that then 0:19:17.680 --> 0:19:22.119 was like mad about female success. I was just like, bye, Yeah, 0:19:22.119 --> 0:19:24.240 it's very true what you say about how people say 0:19:24.280 --> 0:19:26.480 they're one thing and they're down with it and they're 0:19:26.480 --> 0:19:28.560 you know, with it, and they're supportive of women, and 0:19:28.560 --> 0:19:30.920 then it becomes a totally different story when you come 0:19:31.000 --> 0:19:34.400 face to face with it in like a romantic relationship. Yeah, 0:19:34.440 --> 0:19:36.800 And I wonder about this for somebody like you, because 0:19:37.240 --> 0:19:40.640 you are one of the most successful women in our industry. 0:19:40.840 --> 0:19:44.320 You are brilliant, you are you're always the funniest person 0:19:44.320 --> 0:19:46.240 in the room, which has to be hard for people 0:19:46.280 --> 0:19:49.600 who like to be funny. And you have not only 0:19:49.640 --> 0:19:52.960 always been at this level of success, but you've also 0:19:53.320 --> 0:19:57.639 so publicly shown what it's like to continue evolving and 0:19:57.720 --> 0:20:03.240 growing and getting like qushier and more tender, and your 0:20:03.280 --> 0:20:06.200 political lessons you learn out loud and in public, which 0:20:06.240 --> 0:20:09.400 is such a beautiful model for people. And like, sometimes 0:20:09.400 --> 0:20:12.199 I think about it when when men are obsessed with 0:20:12.240 --> 0:20:14.399 you as most of them are, where I'm like, you 0:20:14.480 --> 0:20:16.639 knew exactly what you were getting into, Like that's Chelsea 0:20:16.680 --> 0:20:19.520 fucking handler. Nothing is a surprise. I know. It's like 0:20:19.560 --> 0:20:21.360 there are six books about it, so if I could 0:20:21.359 --> 0:20:24.880 pick one up and it'll cover all your bases. She's badass. 0:20:24.880 --> 0:20:28.240 She's this person. Did you think at home she was 0:20:28.280 --> 0:20:30.720 going to be like, oh honey, sweetie baby, what can 0:20:30.760 --> 0:20:33.600 I do for your feet? My apron on all of 0:20:33.640 --> 0:20:37.679 a sudden, I'm just like living two parallel lives. Okay, 0:20:37.720 --> 0:20:40.120 So Sophia, well thank you for those accolades. I feel 0:20:40.119 --> 0:20:42.679 the same way about you. You're always constantly learning and 0:20:42.760 --> 0:20:46.399 evolving and sharing, and you're brilliant. You're so fucking smart. 0:20:46.560 --> 0:20:48.199 I remember the first time I hung out with you, 0:20:48.240 --> 0:20:50.199 and I think it was Connie Britten was with us 0:20:50.240 --> 0:20:53.000 and then Cindy leave. Not the first time, but one 0:20:53.000 --> 0:20:54.960 of the times we respect together. I was when Connie 0:20:55.000 --> 0:20:56.919 and I were driving home and I was like, fuck, 0:20:57.040 --> 0:21:01.280 she's smart. I was like, she is Mark. And it's 0:21:01.280 --> 0:21:03.400 not I mean not to put everyone else in this 0:21:03.440 --> 0:21:06.040 industry down, but it's just always really encouraging when you 0:21:06.040 --> 0:21:08.240 sit down next to somebody at a Hollywood event and 0:21:08.280 --> 0:21:11.840 you're like blown away, you know, So there's that. Anyway, 0:21:12.600 --> 0:21:15.040 what we're gonna do is we have live callers calling 0:21:15.040 --> 0:21:17.320 in or writing in, and we're just going to tell 0:21:17.320 --> 0:21:19.240 them what to do with their lives. Okay, Sophie. I 0:21:19.280 --> 0:21:24.400 think we're totally both very well equipped for this partnership today. Absolutely. 0:21:24.480 --> 0:21:27.119 I'm the multiple degrees I have in psychology. No, I 0:21:27.160 --> 0:21:31.200 don't make me profied for this. I'm self certified, which 0:21:31.240 --> 0:21:35.080 is much different than a degree, a certification. I'm like 0:21:35.240 --> 0:21:39.720 a masseuse, a massage therapist. And then someone goes, where'd 0:21:39.720 --> 0:21:42.920 you train? And you're like on people University of Phoenix, 0:21:43.240 --> 0:21:46.080 Like Malcolm Gladwell has that whole ten thousand hours theory right, 0:21:46.160 --> 0:21:49.240 and I'm like, well, ten thousand hours of like therapy 0:21:49.320 --> 0:21:52.679 and psychedelic therapies and the retreats I've done and the 0:21:52.760 --> 0:21:55.720 places I've gone, and I have to be a professional 0:21:55.760 --> 0:21:58.520 at this by now. Yeah. I agree with that. Yeah, 0:21:58.520 --> 0:22:00.119 And I think I don't even think it needs you 0:22:00.160 --> 0:22:02.920 need ten thousand hours. I think things, if you're smart enough, 0:22:02.960 --> 0:22:09.240