Speaker 1: Hi everyone, It's James here, and we have a wonderful
Speaker 1: episode for you today on heat and heat illness and
Speaker 1: how to protect yourself, for your community and your animals
Speaker 1: when it is hot, which it is right now. But
Speaker 1: I just wanted to record this little pick up to
Speaker 1: tell you that this isn't medical advice, right, we do
Speaker 1: this every time we do these. I am not that
Speaker 1: kind of doctor, and I am not your doctor, and
Speaker 1: I just wanted to reinforce especially that yes, generally, of
Speaker 1: you're hot, it's a good idea to drink fluids and
Speaker 1: get out of the heat. If someone is losing consciousness
Speaker 1: or really really sick, you need to get better medical attention.
Speaker 1: Then you can learn how to give on a podcast. Right,
Speaker 1: So that's when you call someone whose job is to
Speaker 1: look after people. I just wanted to reinforce it. Obviously,
Speaker 1: pouring water down the throat of someone who's lost consciousness
Speaker 1: is a very dumb idea. So please, if somebody is
Speaker 1: seriously and well, seek medical care. Enjoy the episode. All right, Hi,
Speaker 1: welcome to It could happen here a podcast where we
Speaker 1: someone knows at God, which is what I doing just
Speaker 1: before the podcast began. Maybe we'll include that, and today
Speaker 1: we're here to talk about how God is smiting us
Speaker 1: with massive heat waves. And I'm joined today by Margaret
Speaker 1: Kiljoy and Garrison Davis. Say hello everyone.
Speaker 2: Hello, everyone one, so cool, soameless, so called thinks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my sheeple have joined me. This is what I
Speaker 1: get for doing an episode about sheep so as you
Speaker 1: will be aware if you are in just about anywhere
Speaker 1: in the northern Hemisphere, it is very hot at the minute.
Speaker 1: It's very hot in cities in Europe, It's very hot
Speaker 1: in the United States. It's very hot in parts of
Speaker 1: North Africa and Middle East as well. It's the hottest
Speaker 1: June for Hambley years. Garrisonly July that one.
Speaker 2: It is the hottest July, and it is one hundred
Speaker 2: and twenty thousand years according to the most recent estimates
Speaker 2: released like three days ago as the time of recording.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, And we've had the hottest day in
Speaker 1: history like four times in the last month or something.
Speaker 2: In the in the first half of July, we had
Speaker 2: we had two days in a row where it was
Speaker 2: the two hottest days on record, and then we had
Speaker 2: two other two other days that were also the hottest
Speaker 2: days on record. It's it's pretty concerning. It's nothing that
Speaker 2: people haven't been warning about for many, many decades, but
Speaker 2: it's it's bad, and it's very warm.
Speaker 1: Yep, and it will continue probably to get warmer. So
Speaker 1: I think the way we want to approach this is
Speaker 1: I'm going to start off with talking about stuff related
Speaker 1: to like exertional heat illness, because that's the thing that's
Speaker 1: most acutely concerning for people, right, especially if they work outside,
Speaker 1: if they recreate outside, if they're doing stuff outside where
Speaker 1: they can't get out of the heat. So I think
Speaker 1: to start off if I want to talk about things that
Speaker 1: might make you predisposed, and then I'm going to expend
Speaker 1: a little bit of how the body cools, and then
Speaker 1: some of these different stages of heat illnesses and how
Speaker 1: one might go about treating those or seeking further care
Speaker 1: if you need to. Right, So to start out with,
Speaker 1: there are some things that can make you predisposed to
Speaker 1: heat illness. Right, The biggest predisposition I've come across my
Speaker 1: reading is previously having heat illness. So I can certainly
Speaker 1: speak to this. Yeah, Like I think I got heat
Speaker 1: stroke for the first time. It was racing by in Spain,
Speaker 1: I think, but I then remember getting it again racing
Speaker 1: bikes in Vietnam and just like being really bad, like
Speaker 1: having to have ivy fluids, like vomiting sort of even
Speaker 1: some like sort of not loss of consciousness, but definitely
Speaker 1: like confusion and erratic behavior and stuff.
Speaker 3: And the line between that and dying is pretty narrow, right.
Speaker 1: You can have like multiple organ failure and stuff certainly
Speaker 1: if yeah, if you don't respond to that or if
Speaker 1: you misdiagnose that, and that's definitely like I'm someone with diabetes, right,
Speaker 1: so people can sometimes if you're erratic or confused, people
Speaker 1: can assume your hypoglycemic and you need some sugar, but
Speaker 1: you don't in that situation. We need to fluids and
Speaker 1: electrolytes and to be cooled quickly. So yeah, that is yeah,
Speaker 1: you can die. People do die. Actually, the mortality is
Speaker 1: quite high. Like I to prepare for this, so I
Speaker 1: want to look at Advanced Wilderness Life Support course. I did,
Speaker 1: and people can look it up. AWLS University of Utah
Speaker 1: does one, and you can act as lots of the
Speaker 1: stuff online for free. But they would think the mortality
Speaker 1: is quite high from these like heat illnesses, and I
Speaker 1: think that's probably especially true in wilderness medicine, because it
Speaker 1: can be hard to cool someone down, right if you
Speaker 1: don't have means of Like if you don't have access
Speaker 1: to ice, you obviously not got air conditioning out there.
Speaker 1: If the best thing you probably have is running water,
Speaker 1: hopefully you have running water, right, And I think probably
Speaker 1: it's something that people might not have been concerned with
Speaker 1: unless they either lived in a very hot place or
Speaker 1: a very active people, or who travel a lot before.
Speaker 1: So yeah, if you've had heat illness before, then you
Speaker 1: do need to be careful and you will probably know
Speaker 1: if you've had it before. But if we go through
Speaker 1: all the symptoms that you've had them all and never
Speaker 1: I guess got diagnosed, and lucky you, maybe you just
Speaker 1: found out you had heat illness and other things that
Speaker 1: can predispose you can be a lack of acclimation. Again,
Speaker 1: like this is one that I think kind of stands
Speaker 1: to reason for most people. But like if you go
Speaker 1: from a cold place to hot place, or the place
Speaker 1: you are suddenly becomes hot having been cold, it's going
Speaker 1: to take you a few days a week to become
Speaker 1: a climatized to that heat, right, and your body will
Speaker 1: change things about your body will change, so we don't
Speaker 1: need to go into But it's also that I don't
Speaker 1: think so. I think so back when I was exercising
Speaker 1: more seriously, I would we would do heat acclimation by
Speaker 1: going in a sauna after a training ride, and the
Speaker 1: idea was like, you gave yourself this big bout of
Speaker 1: heat stress and then then you could go back and
Speaker 1: cool down. Right, So I think if you were in
Speaker 1: acy for most of the day, it was okay, I'm
Speaker 1: sort of guessing here, but if getting that bout of
Speaker 1: heat stress and then recovering and get just like any
Speaker 1: other training that you're doing, seems but if you.
Speaker 3: Go outside into the heat and then come back into
Speaker 3: the cool, you're still acclimating yourself.
Speaker 1: Yes, compared to just hanging out in you know, somewhere
Speaker 1: where it's cold all the time. And you do want it.
Speaker 1: You don't want to overdo it, right, You don't want
Speaker 1: to be like, oh, yeah, I'm going to acclimate. Time
Speaker 1: to go for a ten mile round, like, ease into it,
Speaker 1: make sure you're hydrating, make sure you're taking breaks in
Speaker 1: the heat. There's also a lack of conditioning, right, so
Speaker 1: that's why you see a lot of heat illness. Maybe
Speaker 1: that's the first time I got heat stroke was like
Speaker 1: pre season workouts for like especially like collegiate athletes and things,
Speaker 1: or athletes who are more seasonal athletes. So people who
Speaker 1: have been parked on their backside for a few months
Speaker 1: are in class or whatever, and then they come and
Speaker 1: start doing a rigorous training regime that can that can
Speaker 1: predispose you, right, so they can cause you to be
Speaker 1: more likely to get heat illness. And then there are
Speaker 1: some medications, right, so you'd probably say on your medications,
Speaker 1: but things like beta block is, actiohistor meines, diuretics, you
Speaker 1: don't want to be drinking too much alcohol, and some
Speaker 1: conditions to heart disease, skin disease, existing dehydration fever obviously, right,
Speaker 1: your temperatures high to begin with, and diarrhea and vomiting
Speaker 1: which can cause their dehydration. Right, So, looking, if you
Speaker 1: have diarrhea and vomiting, it's not a good idea to
Speaker 1: also be going out and exposing yourself to a lot
Speaker 1: of heat. Right, So all of those things can make
Speaker 1: you more predisposed. But you can have none of those
Speaker 1: things and still get heat illness. I think the way
Speaker 1: to understand it is like the way we'll talk about
Speaker 1: the way our body cools, so it does set through evaporation.
Speaker 1: People will be familiar with sweating. Most people sweat, and
Speaker 1: so if you the sweating allows your body to cool, right,
Speaker 1: The evaporation of the sweat allows your body to cool.
Speaker 1: So people who don't sweat, or people who have injuries
Speaker 1: which means they don't sweat some of their body again,
Speaker 1: are at a higher risk for heat illness. Right.
Speaker 3: More less assties into wet bulb temperature and the fact
Speaker 3: that if you're in a more humid place, you have
Speaker 3: to consider the heat very differently, right, And so yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: the East coast versus the southwest, for example, of the
Speaker 3: United States, will have very different options available to them,
Speaker 3: both inside and outside about how to cool down. Based
Speaker 3: on knowing the humidity outside is going to be as
Speaker 3: important for people as knowing the actual temperature.
Speaker 1: Yes, definitely, and most of the time now, if you're
Speaker 1: using a phone app, put think most people are doing
Speaker 1: to check the wather that you can find that it
Speaker 1: will give you the humidity and not give you a
Speaker 1: wet bulb or like a real feel temperature. But certainly,
Speaker 1: like I was recently on a trip to the Marshall Islands,
Speaker 1: and I was running and like eighty five, and I'll
Speaker 1: run at eighty five all the time. I was dying
Speaker 1: because the humidity was so high. So yeah, whether how
Speaker 1: humidity is high, you're not going to be able to
Speaker 1: cool as much, right, so you need to be more
Speaker 1: careful radiation that that's when your body is shedding heat
Speaker 1: through like I guess electromagnetic energy. That makes up most
Speaker 1: of your cooling when the ambrient temperatures are less than
Speaker 1: body temperature. So once the ambient temperature is above your
Speaker 1: body temperature, I think in fahrenheit, it's like ninety six
Speaker 1: point six, your body's going to be relying on other methods, right,
Speaker 1: that one's not going to work conduction. Conduction doesn't really
Speaker 1: make up much of It's not really that from a
Speaker 1: way to cool it doesn't really make much difference. But
Speaker 1: like people will be familiar with conduction if you've ever
Speaker 1: slept without a sleeping pad, if you've been camping, you'll
Speaker 1: realize how much colder you get on cold ground. And
Speaker 1: then the last one is convection, right, So that's heat
Speaker 1: transfer between the body and then moving gas or liquid.
Speaker 1: That's why wind chills the thing, okay, because that air's
Speaker 1: whipping past you rate calling you down. And that's also
Speaker 1: the convection is one that we can use to cool
Speaker 1: people down if they overheat, right, like jump in the creek,
Speaker 1: so yes, or if we don't have a creek, we
Speaker 1: can get you wet and then fan you. Okay, maybe
Speaker 1: we can if we're outside and we have those big
Speaker 1: thermos sleeping pads, we can get some air moving that
Speaker 1: way and help you cool down. If we know the
Speaker 1: ways the body cools, then we can maybe use those right,
Speaker 1: And we have to understand, like you said, the relative
Speaker 1: humidity read so when our body gets hot, especially when
Speaker 1: it starts to overheat, it'll shun some blood to the
Speaker 1: skin right vase of it will also increase cardiac output
Speaker 1: and increase catecula means which activate the sweat glands. So
Speaker 1: the hypothalamus will also regulate heat production in the body.
Speaker 3: And there's been two so I don't understand two of
Speaker 3: the words you've recently used.
Speaker 1: But okay, which way the words which are the words
Speaker 1: about the.
Speaker 3: The cacophony and the means.
Speaker 1: Okay, it's sufficient to say that the body you start
Speaker 1: to sweat more and your body begins to regulate how
Speaker 1: heart it makes itself.
Speaker 3: Okay, I got that one kind of from contact. But
Speaker 3: what's this next one?
Speaker 1: I gues see. Hypothalamus is like your your body is
Speaker 1: kind of internal regulator, and what it's doing is it's
Speaker 1: in this case, it's regulating the heat production of your body. Dude,
Speaker 1: it's trying to it's not making you hotter from the inside.
Speaker 1: I guess that's probably a terrible explanation. Okay, so let's
Speaker 1: go through the different stages of heat illness. We can
Speaker 1: start off with things that people will be I think
Speaker 1: we can probably skip like sunburn. Many of us will
Speaker 1: be familiar with somebur many it will have been sunburned.
Speaker 1: Many of us will understand hopefully we're wearing us suncream
Speaker 1: when we go outside, right or just wearing our suncream
Speaker 1: and covering ourselves up from the sun, not just like
Speaker 1: running around with our skin exposed to the sun when
Speaker 1: it's one hundred and ten or what have you. So
Speaker 1: step up from there would be heat cramps, and cramps
Speaker 1: can come from various things, right, Like, I think not
Speaker 1: all cramps are caused by sodium depletion or potassium depletion.
Speaker 1: People sometimes think that it's a potassium thing. Some of
Speaker 1: them can just be caused byever exertion. It can be
Speaker 1: your body's way of being like hey stop. So like,
Speaker 1: if you know, if it's fifty degrees out and you're
Speaker 1: trying to run your fastest tank care and you have cramps,
Speaker 1: that's not a heat thing. That's just your body being like, okay,
Speaker 1: you're not ready for this. Yeah, that's kind of my
Speaker 1: experience with running. Yeah. Yeah, your body's actively rejected it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's because it knows.
Speaker 3: I tried to join the track when I was in
Speaker 3: ninth grade to impress a girl. Neither part of that worked.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry to hear. That's fine, but it's for the best.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: I'm glad that you can share that with the audience.
Speaker 3: Oh that was just wait, oh no, someone's listening. Yeah anyway.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Unfortunately, So if heat cramps, right, they're mostly going
Speaker 1: to be in your carves. People will be familiar with
Speaker 1: the sensation of a cramp. I'm sure when we're experiencing
Speaker 1: heat cramps, we want to obviously cool off, stop doing
Speaker 1: the thing. So if we're running, it's time to stop running.
Speaker 1: If we're cycling, time stop cycling, unlikely you're getting where
Speaker 1: you get you get swimming, there's other kinds of cramps.
Speaker 1: But you know, if we're exercising, it's good to stop,
Speaker 1: it's good to cool down, it's good to rehydrate. So
Speaker 1: that's where you're going to start with your oral salt solution.
Speaker 1: And generally from what I've seen, it's a sodium thing,
Speaker 1: so that that's just like a quarter to half a
Speaker 1: teaspoon of table salt and a liter of water.
Speaker 3: This is the electrolyte thing that people talk about. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: And as we get further into like these heat illnesses,
Speaker 1: one of the things that you want to be careful of.
Speaker 1: You're trying to rehydrate some when it's overloading a carbohydrate,
Speaker 1: so you want a less than six percent carbohydrate solution.
Speaker 1: That can mean just not pounding gatorade, which I think
Speaker 1: can be like the sort of standard response for some
Speaker 1: people because it just it doesn't empty quite as quickly
Speaker 1: at something which has a lower carbohydrate content. Right, Okay,
Speaker 1: but people who.
Speaker 3: Are drinking stead drinking straight water doesn't rehydrate you as
Speaker 3: effectively as drinking electrolytes. Right, Like, if it's really hard out,
Speaker 3: you pretty much need to be hydrating with electrolytes. This
Speaker 3: is unless you're like eating a salty snack or something.
Speaker 3: This is what I've heard from people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a thing called hypernatremia, which is when you
Speaker 1: the opposite that's like low sodium, right, then that's that
Speaker 1: can happen sometimes from just drinking straight water without any sodium.
Speaker 1: It happens rarely, but it definitely can happen. It can
Speaker 1: happen in like backcountry travel where people don't think they're
Speaker 1: exerting themselves, they're just kind of walking and drinking a
Speaker 1: lot of water. It can happen in marathons, like it
Speaker 1: happens sometimes in marathons people are just taking the water
Speaker 1: from the age station to just drinking the water. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's never like it's you know, when it's hot, if
Speaker 1: you're having you know, when I was bike racing, I
Speaker 1: used to do one drink of water and one drink
Speaker 1: of electrolyte, even in the heat, pretty much like one bottle.
Speaker 1: There are two bottles on a bicycle thing. I think
Speaker 1: that's a fine thing to do if you're in the
Speaker 1: heat and in you're exercising, you don't need to be
Speaker 1: smashing gatorade all the time because that's a lot of sugar,
Speaker 1: and it might that will also not empty from your stomach. So,
Speaker 1: you know, a modern sports drink should have the right solution.
Speaker 1: You know, there are lots of brands. I'm not going
Speaker 1: to recommend one, but there are lots of different brands
Speaker 1: which should have a decent sort of four or five
Speaker 1: percent carbo hydrate solution, and I think one that tastes
Speaker 1: nice to you. And then we move from there into
Speaker 1: a couple of different things, heat exhaustion and heat syncope.
Speaker 1: Heat syncope is when you'll see people like fall over,
Speaker 1: and it happens often, like the only time I've seen
Speaker 1: it happen is people stopping after like a long run,
Speaker 1: like specifically like when they push themselves really hard, right,
Speaker 1: And it can actually be it can be people who
Speaker 1: are not particularly dehydrated or hypothermic, but a sort of
Speaker 1: a long run and heat you're not acclimated to. It
Speaker 1: can blood can pull in the legs, and it's it's
Speaker 1: often people who ilderly are not very well acclimated, and
Speaker 1: it's normally when they're standing and stationary, and that's something
Speaker 1: that you can treat by elevating the feet, where's the
Speaker 1: personal lies down, and then just getting them out of
Speaker 1: direct some sunlight and helping them rehydrate, right, So helping
Speaker 1: them cool, rehydrate, You're going to see that in nearly
Speaker 1: all of these cases, cooling someone off it's the most
Speaker 1: important thing to do. So next time we talk about
Speaker 1: heat exhaustion again, like you'll know something is wrong in
Speaker 1: these situations, right, Like if someone's just just like falling over,
Speaker 1: you will know something is wrong. If someone's yeah, then
Speaker 1: in case he's like you'll know like having had heat
Speaker 1: exhaustion heat stroke, like you yourself will also know. There
Speaker 1: are certain like like ecstasy is a big one, like
Speaker 1: when people people quite often get heat illness when they're
Speaker 1: like at raves on ecstasy. And that's just because obviously
Speaker 1: like altered state of mind plus douncing uh plus plus
Speaker 1: this drug, which is you know, your body is not
Speaker 1: not making its usual responses, I guess, and that can
Speaker 1: be so like you know, if it's one hundred and
Speaker 1: ten out, maybe that's not the time to be doing
Speaker 1: MBMA and raving car if.
Speaker 2: Cop behavior James, Yeah, yeah, I can stand by and
Speaker 2: here and just as you spread this m d M
Speaker 2: A slander people should. People should absolutely be knowledgeable about
Speaker 2: what causes serotonin syndrome and be careful about mixing other substances.
Speaker 2: But I cannot have you just disparage the good name.
Speaker 1: Of M d m A like this.
Speaker 3: Oh I will, I will take it one step further
Speaker 3: and tell you that, at least with my research, both
Speaker 3: caffeine and alcohol make it far more likely for you
Speaker 3: to suffer dehydration and related heat dehydration.
Speaker 2: Yes, this is this is just that this is an
Speaker 2: actual problem that people should mix up. Like with M
Speaker 2: D m A. This is something to look up because
Speaker 2: because of the way it affects your serotonin levels, it
Speaker 2: can cause you to overheat if you take too much
Speaker 2: or come out with other things, or if you're in
Speaker 2: a hot, sweaty, crowded room you're dancing too much without
Speaker 2: taking breaks. This is a thing to consider.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I had. There was a person it was.
Speaker 1: I think it was reference in the in the course
Speaker 1: I did where they wore talk about using a drone
Speaker 1: a rave to identify people who are hypothermic, and like,
Speaker 1: that's like your to want step away from the dance floor,
Speaker 1: like to identify people who are at risk, which is an
Speaker 1: interesting idea. That's cool, I think, yeah, So just you
Speaker 1: know something to consider as you go forward with yourselber plants.
Speaker 1: So other signs, right, tiredness, weakness, dizziness, headache, fainting, norse,
Speaker 1: your vomiting, muscle cramps, norse, you're vomiting, it's ralph. I
Speaker 1: remember that the worst heat onness I've ever had was
Speaker 1: in Vietnam doing a bike race. One of the rules
Speaker 1: in a bike race is that you can't take supplies
Speaker 1: from your support car in the last fifty kilometers, and
Speaker 1: it was just so hot, and I remember being like,
Speaker 1: I'm baking inside my skull. I'm baking it aside my skull,
Speaker 1: like and I'd been previously in like a little group
Speaker 1: in front of the main groups. I also hadn't been
Speaker 1: able to access water from my car then and then
Speaker 1: drop we got caught by the main group, is what happened.
Speaker 1: And I remember being like, okay, good, Now I can
Speaker 1: get my eye socks and put them down my back
Speaker 1: and I can get my cold water. And then I
Speaker 1: went back and the guy was like, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's like it's like forty nine kilometers and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is bad. This is really fucking bad and it
Speaker 1: was really bad. Did you be I'm sure, Yeah I did.
Speaker 1: I finished the race. Congrats, No, terrible decision at the
Speaker 1: picture somewhere my teammates put me in a shower with
Speaker 1: like my legs above my head it which was just
Speaker 1: like water boarding me with cold water, and I was
Speaker 1: given ivy fluid and they were all like, oh, this
Speaker 1: is bad. He's not he's not in a good way. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: then you know sport is good for you. Keep sporting
Speaker 1: out there, kids. Everyone was very concerned for me.
Speaker 3: My All the stuff I came up with was like
Speaker 3: stay inside, don't there yourself, like avoid caffeine and alcohol. Yeah,
Speaker 3: if you want to push yourself past your limits, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: Don't know. It's bad. But we did everything wrong right
Speaker 1: like it was in December the race, because the Asian
Speaker 1: Tour doesn't take a break at like the December and
Speaker 1: a few time it takes a break from Ramadan. So
Speaker 1: obviously coming from the United States, we were relatively less
Speaker 1: fit than we would have been. We were not acclimated.
Speaker 1: I had a fat beard, which did not help, and
Speaker 1: like my hair was longer than it is now, My
Speaker 1: body was not losing heat. Everything was I doing this
Speaker 1: this race, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, going out there like
Speaker 1: full like if there's nothing that what is more white
Speaker 1: man on the left and you know, got a white
Speaker 1: dude with a beard. It's like all of them, right,
Speaker 1: and bacon and marks and you have to try it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: don't do that. Don't do that to yourself. We talked
Speaker 1: about heats and cope and the last one is heat stroke.
Speaker 1: So what differentiates heat stroke from heat exhaustion is that
Speaker 1: higher body temperature above forty degrees celsius, which is one
Speaker 1: hundred and three one hundred and four fahrenheit. If youre
Speaker 1: seeing one hundred and three, it's time to pick up
Speaker 1: the telephone and call nine on one if you can,
Speaker 1: if you're in an area where you can do that.
Speaker 1: But it doesn't matter it to one hundred and three
Speaker 1: one hundred and four. I guess it's that you're very hot.
Speaker 1: At that point, you're going to have hot, red skin,
Speaker 1: a fast strong pulse, headache, dizziness, naughtia, confusion. People can
Speaker 1: also lose consciousness. So this is very serious, right, and
Speaker 1: the line between this and really serious lasting complications is
Speaker 1: quite quite small, So you do need to be very
Speaker 1: extremely concerned. I will say that, like when you're taking
Speaker 1: someone to temperature, taking it at the extremities is not
Speaker 1: necessarily going to give you the best idea of what
Speaker 1: their core body temperature is, right, So that for the
Speaker 1: reason that like if they're hot, if like if it's hot,
Speaker 1: they're hot on the outside, right, like an ear or
Speaker 1: what have you. And then if you if you've then
Speaker 1: tried to cool the person and you're seeing like a
Speaker 1: lower body temperature in their hand or if you're yeah,
Speaker 1: if their hands been in ice, you know, in ice bath,
Speaker 1: then you might see a cooler temperature there. And that
Speaker 1: there are like rectal probes are used for this not
Speaker 1: something to be doing in a sort of non consensual manner.
Speaker 1: They're not really something to be doing unless you're like
Speaker 1: a medical professional. But if you're so, just don't don't
Speaker 1: be relying. I guess that you know, people have those
Speaker 1: little heat guns that they like to use and stuff
Speaker 1: might not be the most reliable source of information.
Speaker 3: Although it might be useful for the initial diagnosis, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, even then, like if even if you can just
Speaker 1: do an ooral thermometer as opposed to like the temperature
Speaker 1: if your forehead is X. Yeah, like if it's one
Speaker 1: hundred and ten, then the temperature of your forehead is
Speaker 1: going to be hot, right.
Speaker 3: I see what you're saying. Yeah, yeah, totally kind of.
Speaker 1: Versus you know, you're trying to get as inside as possible.
Speaker 1: I guess.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I remember people doing cooling experiments where you had to
Speaker 1: take a pill when it measured your internal temperature and
Speaker 1: well bluetoothed out or something. Yeah, so that's fun times.
Speaker 1: I think that's cool. I want one rescue in it.
Speaker 1: Later sounds like not fun. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it does
Speaker 1: make an exit from the body. So with this again, right,
Speaker 1: you want to cool the person down, and the way
Speaker 1: we can do that it's like ice packs right in
Speaker 1: the groin, neck and scalp. So I used to do
Speaker 1: like just tights, Like if you're wearing tights, put ice
Speaker 1: in those and put those down my back of my
Speaker 1: cycling jersey, you know cycling. You can put them in
Speaker 1: the groins, obviously the person has become like a heat casualty.
Speaker 1: You can put them in the groin, armpits, the like
Speaker 1: the neck, and you can also if you don't have
Speaker 1: access to a c obviously you've got you can put
Speaker 1: the person in an air conditioned environment to help them
Speaker 1: cool down, you can put them in an ice bath.
Speaker 1: You'll see that, like at hot weather events. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to think there are a lot of other conditions, so
Speaker 1: you'll see a hot weather events we don't really have
Speaker 1: time to talk about. Things like rabdough are very very
Speaker 1: concerning if someone's exercising in the heat. But you'll often
Speaker 1: see at the end of hot events in first day
Speaker 1: tents they're popping people in ice bas to cool them down.
Speaker 1: They've got some of these symptoms, like fifteen twenty minutes
Speaker 1: I think is how long you want to put them
Speaker 1: in there for. But like if you're starting to feel headache, dizziness,
Speaker 1: and nausea, I guess my big take home here is
Speaker 1: to get out of the sun, stop exercising if you're exercising,
Speaker 1: and start hydrating. If you're not hydrating with with that
Speaker 1: carbohydrate solution, you're looking to drop that cool temperature, that
Speaker 1: core temperature below that kind of danger zone, right, and
Speaker 1: I really get it back to where what's to be,
Speaker 1: which I think in fahrenheit's around ninety six point six.
Speaker 1: You you probably don't want to actively cool someone all
Speaker 1: the way down because you can overshoot and they can
Speaker 1: get hypothermic and so like, then they can get too
Speaker 1: cold if you're like you know, dumping them in a
Speaker 1: freezer or like you know, actively calling them to aggressively.
Speaker 1: So that's something to be concerned with as well. And
Speaker 1: you don't want the person to start shivering because the
Speaker 1: body's trying to heat yourself back up at that point,
Speaker 1: so you can't be uber aggressive. But I think having
Speaker 1: said all this, like I said, the big take home
Speaker 1: is like, if you start to feel sick, dizzy underwell,
Speaker 1: when you're outside in the heats, get out the heat,
Speaker 1: get some water, get in the shade if you can,
Speaker 1: get their conditioning if you can. If you're at a
Speaker 1: job site, you know, if there's like a trailer where
Speaker 1: you with that's air conditioned, go in the trailer. Like
Speaker 1: it's not worth your life, even if it's your job.
Speaker 3: You want to know it's fun?
Speaker 1: Is that what's fun?
Speaker 3: In the United States, there's no federal law that says
Speaker 3: you can't make people work in the hot weather without
Speaker 3: hell yeah, some states less than half. I don't have
Speaker 3: the notes in front of me. I have the notes
Speaker 3: for a different thing I recorded recently. Some states like
Speaker 3: sixteen of them or sometime maybe have laws against working
Speaker 3: people outside and the heat, but most states don't. The
Speaker 3: federal government is like considering one right now, but that
Speaker 3: is like probably years away before it could be enacted.
Speaker 3: But it's like basic worker protections, like don't have people
Speaker 3: work outside without enough stuff to make sure they don't.
Speaker 1: Die of it. Consider forming a union. Yeah, google Blair
Speaker 1: Mountain for more information on how to respond if you're
Speaker 1: not allowed here, if you're not allowed to take breaks
Speaker 1: for the heat. Yeah yeah, yeah yeah. Talking of how
Speaker 1: capitalism is killing us all, Margaret, it's time for us
Speaker 1: to break for some adverts so things people can buy.
Speaker 2: Oh we have we have some breaking news here, folks.
Speaker 2: We have some breaking sheep news. So it turns out
Speaker 2: during during during James's Last Sheep episode, he talked about
Speaker 2: having Texel sheep when it's actually Tesl sheep, so this is.
Speaker 1: Pretty No, they're definitely Texels.
Speaker 2: Who's pretty exciting here. Who is the largest northwestern islands
Speaker 2: of the of the Netherlands. It's one of those European
Speaker 2: places where where the pronouncidation, where the pronunciation does not
Speaker 2: match how it's written, and it's Tessel sheep. Not textel sheep.
Speaker 1: So this is.
Speaker 2: Pretty exciting for me, and usually James gets to make
Speaker 2: fun of how I pronounce words. Now and now now
Speaker 2: now looks so here we go?
Speaker 3: Here we should we? I mean, should we move into
Speaker 3: like machinations versus machinations or should we just move on?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: I think we can just move on here where We'll
Speaker 1: just start a Buenos Aires and move from there. Yeah, Garrison,
Speaker 1: the Speaker of Free, I have.
Speaker 2: A hard life. They did not teach me how to
Speaker 2: say words in Canada. It was all I know. It
Speaker 2: was tongues. In the school. We couldn't We didn't actually
Speaker 2: learn much much English, so much woods.
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't worry again. Yeah, we're we're all learning as
Speaker 1: we go. You see, there we go. Yeah, I've just
Speaker 1: I've just learned that that the place is called Tehsel
Speaker 1: and then that's the sheep from there.
Speaker 3: Is there an X in it or something?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Yes, when you're yeah, is there an X all the time?
Speaker 1: T E X C L Yeah, I always see, but
Speaker 1: X sounds the X sounds like an S. Yeah speaking Yeah, fascinating. Yeah. Wow,
Speaker 1: And all my life I've been misnaming the very sheep
Speaker 1: that many of you enjoyed hearing about sad.
Speaker 3: That no wonder the sheep weren't coming when you called.
Speaker 1: They felt no they come disrespected.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well never mind.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, to be fair, I just go out there
Speaker 1: and say sheep. So you know I'm hedging my beds
Speaker 1: with the pronunciation of that one.
Speaker 3: Well you want to talk about animals and heat waves,
Speaker 3: I would love to, Yeah, tell me it was me
Speaker 3: what to do with your sheep, But I talk about
Speaker 3: humans and heat and heat waves. So actually, ironically, one
Speaker 3: of the things that I learned I don't know whether
Speaker 3: or not applies to sheep. I was talking before this
Speaker 3: to one of my professional animal friends who has worked
Speaker 3: in veterinary clinics and also as a professional horse person.
Speaker 3: So there's some stuff to know, right for all of
Speaker 3: our all of the people who aren't humans. Different animals
Speaker 3: need different electrolyte feel formulas if you are going to
Speaker 3: feed them electrolytes, and for example, dogs need more sugar
Speaker 3: and less salt because they their bodies don't get rid
Speaker 3: of salt as much. Right, they don't really sweat nearly
Speaker 3: so much. Occasional pedialyte or some other like non gator
Speaker 3: ady thing is fine. Every now and then, and probably
Speaker 3: gatorides probably fine every now and then. But don't be
Speaker 3: like like you can go hiking and just drink electrolytes, right,
Speaker 3: not sugar water, but electrolytes. But don't do that with
Speaker 3: your dog, even if it's super hot out. There is
Speaker 3: dog specific stuff and there's formulas you can look up
Speaker 3: for dog specific making your own. Don't shave your pets.
Speaker 3: This is the one that I don't know if applies
Speaker 3: to sheep.
Speaker 2: My friend said, this does not apply to sheep. You
Speaker 2: have to share there. You want to have to share
Speaker 2: your sheep or else they will overheat and die.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, yeah, you want to share your sheep. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Some animals you want to shave. Some animals you don't.
Speaker 3: If you have animals, you should look this up ahead
Speaker 3: of time. Some people like run out and shave their
Speaker 3: cats and dogs if a heatwave. This is a very
Speaker 3: bad thing. The hair is designed to protect them from
Speaker 3: the sun. Also, especially like if you have a dog
Speaker 3: with a double coat, it does a lot of weird
Speaker 3: heat transfer stuff and it's really kind of cool and magic.
Speaker 3: Brushing and grooming are very good. If your dog is
Speaker 3: like slow to its summer coat or it's summer is
Speaker 3: suddenly here eleven months of the year, or as I predict,
Speaker 3: there's going to be two seasons. There's going to be summer,
Speaker 3: which will last for nine months, and then there's going
Speaker 3: to be hell mouth, which will replace what was previously summer.
Speaker 3: Don't take your dog out in the hottest weather. It
Speaker 3: is better that your dog pisses inside it gets heat stroke.
Speaker 3: It is harder to identify heat stroke and a dog,
Speaker 3: but if the dog is like panting a particular amount,
Speaker 3: there's like other things about looking at the gums and eyes.
Speaker 1: I got bitten by a dog that was having a
Speaker 1: heat stroke on my god, forsdy Li. It was good.
Speaker 3: I feel bad for both the animals involved in this.
Speaker 1: Yeah good, feel fairly secure in saying that the people
Speaker 1: who were looking off to dog on listening, but like, yeah,
Speaker 1: they made a series of very poor choices. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: and like it wasn't nice.
Speaker 3: Hiking is my main activity and it is like my
Speaker 3: main bonding with me and my dog, and I am
Speaker 3: not doing it during a lot of the heat wave,
Speaker 3: and I'm finding other ways. I'm you know, because I'm
Speaker 3: I have to drive a decent way to go hiking,
Speaker 3: right so I can't do it early in the morning
Speaker 3: unless they wake up earlier than I want to. But
Speaker 3: if you are going to do as sid activities with
Speaker 3: both yourself or with an animal, consider doing them at
Speaker 3: early in the morning or late in the evening or
Speaker 3: mid the night.
Speaker 1: I don't want it whatever.
Speaker 3: If you have animals that can't come inside, because overall,
Speaker 3: what it was going to apply to your animals is
Speaker 3: it was going to apply to humans, like get them
Speaker 3: into the ac Like what are you doing? But a
Speaker 3: lot of animals you don't have a room for inside,
Speaker 3: right unless you're a medieval Irish peasant, in which case
Speaker 3: I've read way too much about how much those animals
Speaker 3: live inside.
Speaker 1: Yeah, cows under the house, so the warmth comes up.
Speaker 3: So you want a crossbreeze in your barn or coop
Speaker 3: or whatever. If it's a coop, you want to make
Speaker 3: sure there's a place at the top for air to
Speaker 3: come escape. And you don't want the like box style
Speaker 3: coop with only one entrance. If you're dealing with heat waves,
Speaker 3: you want a lot of cool water that is easy
Speaker 3: to drink. And so a lot of people who normally
Speaker 3: feed their animals with like the nipple style feeders different animals,
Speaker 3: you have different ways of watering them. No, no nipple
Speaker 3: style feeders. During a heat wave, the animal needs to
Speaker 3: be able to get into the get the water easily.
Speaker 3: For chickens, you might want to bring your nesting boxes
Speaker 3: down to the ground floor where it's cooler. You also
Speaker 3: might want to consider insulating the coop, like with hay bales,
Speaker 3: for example, you can stack them up next to your coop.
Speaker 3: Horses have yet another electrolyte mix. My horse professional friend
Speaker 3: uses one called Gallagher's Water, but points out that it's
Speaker 3: like mostly bougie people use it when they're when most
Speaker 3: people have horses are bougie, but not all of them
Speaker 3: right at least where I live other places.
Speaker 1: Okay, so.
Speaker 3: It's only necessary in extreme circumstances. It's only better than
Speaker 3: water in extreme circumstances. Most animals do very well with
Speaker 3: just drinking water. And also you can probably consider if
Speaker 3: you live somewhere wester than I do, you can consider
Speaker 3: misting systems if you have the money and the infrastructure.
Speaker 3: And misting systems is basically just like it pumps water
Speaker 3: out into a mist and the mist cools everything down
Speaker 3: and below about seventy percent humidity. They're fairly effective. Below
Speaker 3: fifty percent of humidity, they're incredibly effective. And so they
Speaker 3: and it's not that you get wet, it's that they do.
Speaker 3: It's like it's like the air is sweating, the air.
Speaker 1: Is They're like you have in if you go to
Speaker 1: restaurants in Phoenix outside they have them. Yeah. I bought
Speaker 1: some really cheap of like Craigslist, like super cheap. I think,
Speaker 1: I hot you, I just have to go and get them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but no, I'm like so jealous because it wouldn't
Speaker 3: work where I live.
Speaker 1: You can't use them because of a high humidity.
Speaker 3: I mean they do a little bit here, but not
Speaker 3: very effectively.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know your chickens don't want to be living
Speaker 1: in a too damp environment. Could be that that it lungs,
Speaker 1: so don't be running one inside all the time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and againside, but I think it's certainly like my chickens
Speaker 1: will go around it when it's hot. It seems to it.
Speaker 3: And one person I talked to and this is like
Speaker 3: I did a bunch of research about this, but it's inconclusive.
Speaker 3: One person I talked to during the wildfire smoke actually
Speaker 3: set up a particulate set up a misting system because
Speaker 3: mist picks up and drops particular matter to the cloud.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of research that says that this particulate
Speaker 3: absorption happens. There is no research to say this is
Speaker 3: how you handle wildfire smoke with outside animals, but that
Speaker 3: is something that at least one person I heard from
Speaker 3: is doing, and science backs it up for human animals
Speaker 3: in terms of preparedness. Just to run through all this
Speaker 3: stuff that I've been keeping track of the way that
Speaker 3: you're going to deal with all this if you're not outside, right,
Speaker 3: if you're outside and you're dealing with the stuff, you're
Speaker 3: going to use what James talked about and like keep
Speaker 3: track of how you're feeling and get into the AC.
Speaker 3: I mean, the main thing you want to do is
Speaker 3: get into AC right. You don't want to distrenuous exercise.
Speaker 3: You want to check alerts on your phone or your
Speaker 3: weather radio. If you're a cool prepper and have like
Speaker 3: a little weather radio, you probably want to use the
Speaker 3: buddy system outside if it's getting really hot, if you can, right,
Speaker 3: just like having someone who can keep track of what
Speaker 3: you're doing. If you don't have another way to get
Speaker 3: to AC consider public libraries and other places. This is
Speaker 3: a very good actor time look after your neighbors. And
Speaker 3: some of your neighbors are housed and might not have AC.
Speaker 3: Some of your neighbors don't have houses and probably don't
Speaker 3: have AC unless they live in their vehicles, in which
Speaker 3: case they might have some AC, but not all vehicles do.
Speaker 3: And so it's a very good time to look after people.
Speaker 3: Whether it's giving people rides to public cooling centers, or
Speaker 3: whether it's setting up public cooling centers, or they're just
Speaker 3: letting your neighbor who like come over because your AC
Speaker 3: is working and theres isn't.
Speaker 1: You want to.
Speaker 3: I mean, one thing that you want to do is
Speaker 3: to accept that what we're dealing with isn't normal. And
Speaker 3: I'll get to that in a moment. But so if
Speaker 3: you're a renter, you have fewer options, right in terms
Speaker 3: of like structural preparedness, there are some things that you
Speaker 3: can do. Running fans, unless you're a podcaster, Running fans
Speaker 3: is a very good idea. If you have ceiling fans,
Speaker 3: you want to make sure that during the summer they
Speaker 3: run counterclockwise and during the winter they run clockwise. So
Speaker 3: it's just look and be like I wanted to push
Speaker 3: air down, and you can visualize the direction it'll turn
Speaker 3: to push air down, and that's the summer one.
Speaker 2: I want change the direction they spin.
Speaker 3: Yes, there is a little switch on every ceiling fan.
Speaker 3: I can see the one behind you.
Speaker 1: I can. Don't do it if you look on the screen. No,
Speaker 1: don't be a coward. Garrison like, walk me through it. Okay,
Speaker 1: I think I see it now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but closer off and want me to put my
Speaker 2: arm up and then do it.
Speaker 1: It's less because you're going to stick your head in
Speaker 1: there so you can get a good look at what.
Speaker 1: Oh ah, no, Garrison's deceased.
Speaker 3: Oh well, good thing they left me their Gester costume.
Speaker 1: You'll never find out any more about cops.
Speaker 3: Cop City has to end because there's no other way
Speaker 3: for us to find out about it. They finally stopped,
Speaker 3: all right, So other things that you can do. Evaporative
Speaker 3: cooling is the coolest thing in the world. Again, if
Speaker 3: you're not in a human area. This is why humidity
Speaker 3: is absolutely terrible. And I picked the wrong part of
Speaker 3: the country to be from wet Bandana's wet clothing. There's
Speaker 3: actually like it's kind of sad. Was saying that there's
Speaker 3: no labor protections about heat. Some farm workers like developed
Speaker 3: a like an immigrant farm worker developed a cooling vest
Speaker 3: system that she's like working on that. There's like articles
Speaker 3: about where it's it just uses avaporative cooling to cool people.
Speaker 3: And it's like one of those things where I'm like
Speaker 3: that rules and also it's absolutely awful that that's like
Speaker 3: where we're at. Where we're at, you know, is not like, oh,
Speaker 3: let's have better labor practices and stuff. And if you
Speaker 3: have a house, if you have like a place that
Speaker 3: you can really do preparedness for, there's I mean, we'll
Speaker 3: just get an air conditioner. Don't run your air conditioner
Speaker 3: as like low as it'll go. It just doesn't actually
Speaker 3: make things any cooler. Air conditioners are generally designed and
Speaker 3: only cool things. I want to say, was it like
Speaker 3: thirty degrees below outside temperature or something?
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think also depends on like the size
Speaker 1: of the relative space you're cooling and a BTU.
Speaker 3: Well, so I'm saying that they're sized for that by
Speaker 3: like regulation. If someone comes in as like, oh, what
Speaker 3: size AC should I put into this house, it's going
Speaker 3: to be I want this size house to be be
Speaker 3: cooled thirty degrees.
Speaker 1: I think it's thirty degrees.
Speaker 3: It might be twenty four, okay, And so if you
Speaker 3: run your fans, you actually can keep your thermostat up
Speaker 3: about four degrees. And if you don't have it, if
Speaker 3: you don't have AC, there's a lot you can do
Speaker 3: with like thermal mass right is your friend. Like if
Speaker 3: you have a you can choose which house you're going
Speaker 3: to live in. Living in brick houses is great or
Speaker 3: adobe houses. It depends on where you live and what
Speaker 3: your climate is. You want to keep your curtains closed
Speaker 3: during the day and open at night if you're trying
Speaker 3: to keep out the sun, but then let out the
Speaker 3: heat into the cool night air, assuming that there's still
Speaker 3: cool night air. Depends on where you live. As we
Speaker 3: enter into this nightmare world, Reflective window insulationy things like
Speaker 3: the thing that you put in your windshield can help.
Speaker 3: There's like stuff you can do when you accept that
Speaker 3: it's an emergency and you can okay. But then the
Speaker 3: other thing is that running AC's puts a lot of
Speaker 3: strain on power grid, and we're already starting to see
Speaker 3: more grid failure, usually in the brown out style rather
Speaker 3: than the blackout style. But when everyone's running their AC,
Speaker 3: the grid is not designed to handle it, and there
Speaker 3: are problems, and so one you get these like city
Speaker 3: wide text alerts that are like, hey, everyone, please turn
Speaker 3: up your AC like turned down whatever, make your AC
Speaker 3: less cold cold. And this is an example of something
Speaker 3: that we should do and listen to. But it's really
Speaker 3: fucking annoying because it's not our fucking fault that the
Speaker 3: world is heating up, right, And they're not like turning
Speaker 3: off Times Square. They're telling everyone, you know, they're not
Speaker 3: turning off the ads. Yeah, speaking of ads, it's a.
Speaker 1: Good time to pivot to some some more stuff. Yea,
Speaker 1: even it is waste wasting power.
Speaker 3: Even in the emergency, there's still the ads.
Speaker 1: Here you go.
Speaker 3: And we're back.
Speaker 1: Hopefully. It was for gold, which is useless in the
Speaker 1: death of the nurse. I just want to throw that
Speaker 1: out there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it does keep its value compared to.
Speaker 1: Cash, just until neither of them have that.
Speaker 3: That's why whiskey Oh wait, no, wait, mutual.
Speaker 2: Aid Now, that's why I've been stacking up on my
Speaker 2: on my series of John's Version inspired n f T
Speaker 2: s that I minted last year, and oh boy, have
Speaker 2: they only grown in value? Am I. I'm telling you
Speaker 2: this is that, this is what's gonna hold me through whenever,
Speaker 2: whenever you know, the thing happens.
Speaker 1: Yep, I will be at your door with my wanting
Speaker 1: to try ammunition for apes, as I always am. Find
Speaker 1: me in the group chat.
Speaker 3: But there's one other group of people that I want
Speaker 3: to talk about really quickly about who we should check
Speaker 3: in on, and that is prisoners. There is no way
Speaker 3: from my point of view, I'm gonna have a lot
Speaker 3: of bias here. There is no way for us to
Speaker 3: justly face a climate emergency while we live in a
Speaker 3: carcoral society in Texas. This is where most of the
Speaker 3: news is right now. But that's not like it's better
Speaker 3: other places. As far as I can tell, in Texas,
Speaker 3: since mid June, between nine and twenty three prisoners have
Speaker 3: died from heat, but no one knows because Texas refuses
Speaker 3: to say that anyone has died from heat. They haven't
Speaker 3: done that since I believe twenty twelve is the last
Speaker 3: time they admitted someone died from heat. However, two thirds
Speaker 3: of Texas prisons don't have air conditioning, and a bunch
Speaker 3: of people are dying randomly of heart attacks in their
Speaker 3: thirties because they're dying of heat.
Speaker 1: Jesus correct.
Speaker 2: I think earlier in the first few weeks of July,
Speaker 2: when it was getting very, very hot, I believe it,
Speaker 2: it was a pretty young woman died in the Fulton
Speaker 2: County jail here in Atlanta.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Sure, and it's they're doing an investigation to see why.
Speaker 1: So yeah, oh.
Speaker 3: Good, don't worry. The Texas State House passed money to
Speaker 3: put AC into prisons and then the Senate rejected it.
Speaker 1: Cool. Big thing is the money, because not much money
Speaker 1: in law enforcement, so I can see how they're struggling
Speaker 1: to afford that.
Speaker 3: Otherwise, Yeah, there was a oh I didn't write down
Speaker 3: the numbers in my script, but there was like a
Speaker 3: many millions of dollar budget surplus that they didn't apply to. Oh,
Speaker 3: I don't know. Not having people die for having been
Speaker 3: accused of owning weed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. Whatever.
Speaker 3: I get really fucking mad about this, and I think
Speaker 3: that it is.
Speaker 1: Like it's fucking horrific.
Speaker 3: Okay, and then the last thing I really want to
Speaker 3: say is that this was the hottest month right that
Speaker 3: any of us have ever experienced. It will be the
Speaker 3: coolest month in our memory at some point, you know,
Speaker 3: or rather whatever, it's not getting.
Speaker 1: Coolest July our in our memory at some point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, like next year might be a little bit
Speaker 3: cooler because of natural cycles or whatever. Right, but it's
Speaker 3: not coming back. We're not going back to normal. And
Speaker 3: for me, this month marks a sea change literally and
Speaker 3: that the Arctic Antarctic ice did not come back this winter.
Speaker 3: It's winter right now in Antarctica and there's a five
Speaker 3: or six standard deviation away from normal amount of ice
Speaker 3: there right now. Five to six standard deviations is more
Speaker 3: than if you flipped a coin one hundred times and
Speaker 3: it came up heads every single time. It is like
Speaker 3: more than a one in three point five million chance.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: It is a very big number. It is a very
Speaker 3: abnormal thing. Nothing like this has ever been seen before.
Speaker 3: And I don't want to say this to make people afraid,
Speaker 3: because I don't think we need to be. For whatever.
Speaker 3: Fear is complicated. You can't be brave unless you're afraid,
Speaker 3: That's what I will say. You cannot have courage. Courage
Speaker 3: is the act of responding to fear, and we should
Speaker 3: notice the fear and not let it control us. But
Speaker 3: it really is time for people to very seriously look
Speaker 3: at not what's going to happen by twenty fifty, but
Speaker 3: what is happening now, What is happening now, what will
Speaker 3: happen in the next three years, the next five years,
Speaker 3: the next ten years, and start making decisions based on that.
Speaker 3: That is what I want. I don't want to tell
Speaker 3: people what those decisions are. I want people to get
Speaker 3: together with the people that they care about and figure
Speaker 3: out what those decisions are. One of the things that
Speaker 3: I would recommend is building resilient communities, is looking at
Speaker 3: how to build communities right, And there's a lot of ways.
Speaker 3: A lot of like scenes can become communities, a lot
Speaker 3: of extended families can become communities. A lot of religious
Speaker 3: organizations are communities. Okay, how and then how to make
Speaker 3: them resilient? How to collectively look at how to handle
Speaker 3: these things, whether it's literally just having a plan for like, Okay,
Speaker 3: if the power goes out, who has the whole house
Speaker 3: generator where I live? Someone around being has god to
Speaker 3: have a whole house generator. I don't have one. I
Speaker 3: want one, but they're expensive. Whose AC is still going
Speaker 3: to be running when the power goes out? Right, or
Speaker 3: whether it's like, hey, how can we collectively help each
Speaker 3: other's houses have rain water catchment systems? Right? How can
Speaker 3: we collectively be building up food sovereignty as well as
Speaker 3: food storage? How can we have I want to see personally,
Speaker 3: I want to see days of workshops at community centers
Speaker 3: of all different ideological compositions getting together and being like,
Speaker 3: here's how you can food, Here's how you dry food.
Speaker 3: Here is how you set up mesh networks.
Speaker 1: I just.
Speaker 3: I think it's time. I think that I'm tired of saying, hey,
Speaker 3: bad stuff might be coming because it's not might be coming.
Speaker 3: Now it's here and it's really bad. And I think
Speaker 3: people stick to the might be coming because they're afraid
Speaker 3: of despair. And I will say that despair is not good, right,
Speaker 3: but the but that is something that we can fight.
Speaker 3: How do we fight despair? Is also part of this?
Speaker 3: And that the answer to that is agency, and when
Speaker 3: we can find ways to act with agency, that is
Speaker 3: I mean, there's like studies about like in disasters, people
Speaker 3: who express agency have like less PTSD right when bad
Speaker 3: things happen. Yeah, and even if the agency, like I
Speaker 3: mean I remember all at one point getting arrested, right,
Speaker 3: and being like, all right, well, I'm keeping track of
Speaker 3: like I know that cops badge number, I know, I
Speaker 3: know this. I'm keeping track of stuff in case there's
Speaker 3: a lawsuit later. I totally lost that lawsuit, but like
Speaker 3: that helped me get through that situation. Right, everyone else
Speaker 3: won the lawsuit, but because I was in black block,
Speaker 3: I did not win the lawsuit.
Speaker 1: That's that's funny, that's funny. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Anyway, Actually it might have been because I refused to
Speaker 3: give my name anyway, whatever, it was a long time ago,
Speaker 3: and kiss film this and just so yeah, act with agency.
Speaker 3: That is the solution. The solution it is. It's like, like,
Speaker 3: it's not the solution to despair. It's a way to
Speaker 3: deal with it. In the same way that we're not
Speaker 3: looking at solutions to climate change anymore. We're looking at
Speaker 3: ways to deal with it, right because it's already here.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Some of the episodes that me and Robert research to
Speaker 2: put together for the original, like could happen near season
Speaker 2: two stuff is Yeah, a lot of us talking about
Speaker 2: like a mitigation versus adaption, And almost every day it
Speaker 2: looks like we're getting more and more committed to just
Speaker 2: all a full adaption model, because these things are really
Speaker 2: not going to be like the most common widespread effects
Speaker 2: is not going to be mitigated. There's still a few,
Speaker 2: like cataclysmic scenarios that that probably could be averted, but
Speaker 2: things are going to get so much, so much worse,
Speaker 2: and that will be to deal with that, we will
Speaker 2: have to adopt a large variety of adaptations. And it's
Speaker 2: gonna suck, but it's it's what we're gonna have to do.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I've there's there's a variety of reactions
Speaker 2: to this. I mean, I think I should just put
Speaker 2: together an episode on this sometimes in the future. But
Speaker 2: like there's as this as the intensity of the situations
Speaker 2: more and more, like, as as it becomes more and
Speaker 2: more clear, we're going to get a variety of reactions
Speaker 2: from especially for people on the right who used to
Speaker 2: be very much pure purely like ignoring or denying this problem.
Speaker 2: Some some some on the right have like have skipped
Speaker 2: over the whole part where they've been wrong for so
Speaker 2: many years and are going to start up applying extreme
Speaker 2: the authoritarian and like nationalist solutions to this. Others are
Speaker 2: just doubling down on denial because facing the facts of
Speaker 2: the horrible situation we're in is more and more like frightening.
Speaker 2: It's it's it's harder to admit that you're wrong and
Speaker 2: realize the the terribleness of the situation of the most
Speaker 2: recent example of this is I've been checking on the
Speaker 2: replies to to CTV News, which is one of the
Speaker 2: biggest Canadian like television news stations. They've they've put out
Speaker 2: a few stories about how July is the hottest month,
Speaker 2: and the in the replies to this story, it's there's
Speaker 2: just a shock and honestly shocking amount of of pure
Speaker 2: like flippant denial of what's going on. And this has
Speaker 2: been an increasing problem in Canada. And it's it's which
Speaker 2: is ironic because actually Canada's economy is probably gonna grow
Speaker 2: during climate change because they're gonna take over a whole
Speaker 2: bunch of agricultural production from the States. They're actually going
Speaker 2: to become a much bigger economic player. But the amount
Speaker 2: of just pure denial that that that we're that we're
Speaker 2: seeing in Canada and we're seeing get like increased is
Speaker 2: extremely worrying. Yeah, and it's one of those things that's
Speaker 2: really hard to deal with, Like it's It's also something
Speaker 2: I talked about in my hyper object episode. But like
Speaker 2: it's like it's the same thing if someone's like in QAnon,
Speaker 2: you can't like you can't like out logic them from
Speaker 2: qan on. You have to you have to you have
Speaker 2: to tell a better story.
Speaker 1: So this is you need a solid place to stand
Speaker 1: like before you can push someone, if you see what
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like I don't know, it's it's just been
Speaker 2: it's been concerning because I've been seeing a whole bunch
Speaker 2: of whole bunch of these things about how this is
Speaker 2: the hottest month in one hundred and twenty thousand years,
Speaker 2: and yeah, that is uh an, that is a like
Speaker 2: a horrifying thing to learn, and you can like look
Speaker 2: at you know what this what the sources for this are.
Speaker 2: But the fact that so many of us are just
Speaker 2: just denying this is that like as you like you
Speaker 2: can go outside and feel it as well, like it's
Speaker 2: like it's and that's not how climate works all the time.
Speaker 2: But like I've certainly I think many of us have
Speaker 2: have felt the effects of this, and also like the
Speaker 2: death numbers can't lie either.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and like I just got back from a
Speaker 1: trip which will be a podcast soon to the Marshall Islands,
Speaker 1: where it is extremely evident that sea levels are rising
Speaker 1: and if they continue to rise at the rate they're rising,
Speaker 1: then these places will be uninhabitable within the lifetimes of
Speaker 1: people who are alive today. And it's it's very odd
Speaker 1: to or very sort of discordant to see that. And
Speaker 1: then you log on when you get home and see
Speaker 1: someone being like, oh, it's natural variation, or you know,
Speaker 1: like oh, it's snowed last winter, or you know, some
Speaker 1: something which shows like a name incomplete understanding, but still
Speaker 1: like just a knee jerk rejection of of like all
Speaker 1: the evidence we have that the climate is changing and
Speaker 1: it's it's not coming back.
Speaker 3: But I find myself the same that I have that
Speaker 3: same feeling sometimes when I see people refuse to engage
Speaker 3: with solutions, even with people who just are like, sure,
Speaker 3: oh that's real. There's nothing we can do about it,
Speaker 3: so we're not going to try. Like feels very like
Speaker 3: and I don't mean like, I don't even mean a
Speaker 3: specific way of trying. I don't mean everyone has to
Speaker 3: go get arrested gluing themselves to famous things, or everyone
Speaker 3: needs to go set things on fire. Everyone needs to
Speaker 3: only focus on growing food or like. But just when
Speaker 3: I see people like just being like, well, there's nothing,
Speaker 3: so I'm just gonna not take it into account in
Speaker 3: my decision making. I'm like, even if your decision making
Speaker 3: is like, like I made the decision to move near
Speaker 3: my family because a climate change, I didn't move to
Speaker 3: where the climate is going to be magically stable. I
Speaker 3: move to where I can spend more time with people
Speaker 3: I love and be in a better position to take
Speaker 3: care of them, you know, Like I just I feel
Speaker 3: so like I don't know it was whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no it is. And it's very difficult to
Speaker 1: see people just sort of fiddle as the Titanic Sally.
Speaker 2: Shutting down is the is one of the easiest reactions
Speaker 2: to stress and ignoring both both the both like the
Speaker 2: like the like the v admitt like denial of this.
Speaker 2: As things are obviously getting more and more intense, the
Speaker 2: denial gets more and more intense. But so is like
Speaker 2: the types of like the type of dumerism that leads
Speaker 2: you just to like checking out of being like, oh
Speaker 2: this is so bad, there's nothing I can do, So
Speaker 2: I'm just going to completely ignore this. And then that's
Speaker 2: that's also another way of just like sectioning off this
Speaker 2: part of your brain so it so it doesn't.
Speaker 1: Actually impact you.
Speaker 2: It's it's it's functionally quite the same, and I can't.
Speaker 3: Blame people for it. And that's what I think. People
Speaker 3: often think that I am judging for them for that,
Speaker 3: and I'm not. I just feel like I'm it's just
Speaker 3: it's hard to engage with sometimes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But I think a good point to end is like,
Speaker 1: maybe the best prep you can do for climate change
Speaker 1: is not like buying a bigger air conditioner or moving
Speaker 1: to somewhere where you think there is a better chance
Speaker 1: that you personally as an individual will be better, but
Speaker 1: it's building a community that can be resilient and that
Speaker 1: can like weather the storm, and like having seen a
Speaker 1: country which is losing its very minimal amount of land
Speaker 1: to climate change and how communities have come together to
Speaker 1: protect each other during that. It's kind of reinforced to
Speaker 1: me how important community is as opposed to stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, Also with communities you can get more stuff.
Speaker 1: You can make your own stuff.
Speaker 3: That's true, seize the means of production, but not for
Speaker 3: the pure Marxist point for you, but from the I
Speaker 3: like joking, but I'm actually like, this is what people
Speaker 3: should be preparing to do.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, a.
Speaker 3: Climate revolution that's less about like, oh, we're going to
Speaker 3: put in someone smart in charge, you's going to fix everything,
Speaker 3: and more a climate revolution that's like we're going to
Speaker 3: create bottom up solutions and not let people stop us
Speaker 3: from creating bottom up solutions.
Speaker 1: Yes, that would be good. It'd be a good revolution.
Speaker 1: Consider implementing that.
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