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Speaker 1: Hi everyone, It's James here, and we have a wonderful

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Speaker 1: when it is hot, which it is right now. But

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to record this little pick up to

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to reinforce especially that yes, generally, of

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Speaker 1: or really really sick, you need to get better medical attention.

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Speaker 1: Then you can learn how to give on a podcast. Right,

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Speaker 1: So that's when you call someone whose job is to

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Speaker 1: seriously and well, seek medical care. Enjoy the episode. All right, Hi,

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Speaker 1: welcome to It could happen here a podcast where we

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Speaker 1: someone knows at God, which is what I doing just

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Speaker 1: we're here to talk about how God is smiting us

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Speaker 1: with massive heat waves. And I'm joined today by Margaret

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Speaker 2: Hello, everyone one, so cool, soameless, so called thinks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, my sheeple have joined me. This is what I

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Speaker 1: get for doing an episode about sheep so as you

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Speaker 1: will be aware if you are in just about anywhere

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Speaker 1: in the northern Hemisphere, it is very hot at the minute.

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Speaker 1: It's very hot in cities in Europe, It's very hot

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Speaker 1: North Africa and Middle East as well. It's the hottest

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Speaker 1: June for Hambley years. Garrisonly July that one.

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Speaker 2: It is the hottest July, and it is one hundred

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Speaker 2: and twenty thousand years according to the most recent estimates

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Speaker 2: released like three days ago as the time of recording.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, And we've had the hottest day in

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Speaker 2: In the in the first half of July, we had

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Speaker 2: days on record. It's it's pretty concerning. It's nothing that

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Speaker 2: it's it's bad, and it's very warm.

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Speaker 1: Yep, and it will continue probably to get warmer. So

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Speaker 1: I think the way we want to approach this is

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Speaker 1: if they recreate outside, if they're doing stuff outside where

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Speaker 1: if you need to. Right, So to start out with,

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Speaker 1: Yes, definitely, and most of the time now, if you're

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Speaker 1: But okay, which way the words which are the words

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Speaker 1: a medical professional. But if you're so, just don't don't

429
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Speaker 1: be relying. I guess that you know, people have those

430
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:35,719
Speaker 1: little heat guns that they like to use and stuff

431
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,880
Speaker 1: might not be the most reliable source of information.

432
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:45,040
Speaker 3: Although it might be useful for the initial diagnosis, right.

433
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, even then, like if even if you can just

434
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,480
Speaker 1: do an ooral thermometer as opposed to like the temperature

435
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,239
Speaker 1: if your forehead is X. Yeah, like if it's one

436
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,480
Speaker 1: hundred and ten, then the temperature of your forehead is

437
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:56,920
Speaker 1: going to be hot, right.

438
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 3: I see what you're saying. Yeah, yeah, totally kind of.

439
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 1: Versus you know, you're trying to get as inside as possible.

440
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:03,639
Speaker 1: I guess.

441
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 3: Yeah.

442
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:08,119
Speaker 1: I remember people doing cooling experiments where you had to

443
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 1: take a pill when it measured your internal temperature and

444
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:17,880
Speaker 1: well bluetoothed out or something. Yeah, so that's fun times.

445
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 1: I think that's cool. I want one rescue in it.

446
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 1: Later sounds like not fun. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it does

447
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 1: make an exit from the body. So with this again, right,

448
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:33,440
Speaker 1: you want to cool the person down, and the way

449
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,919
Speaker 1: we can do that it's like ice packs right in

450
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 1: the groin, neck and scalp. So I used to do

451
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:42,680
Speaker 1: like just tights, Like if you're wearing tights, put ice

452
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:45,439
Speaker 1: in those and put those down my back of my

453
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 1: cycling jersey, you know cycling. You can put them in

454
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,400
Speaker 1: the groins, obviously the person has become like a heat casualty.

455
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 1: You can put them in the groin, armpits, the like

456
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 1: the neck, and you can also if you don't have

457
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,680
Speaker 1: access to a c obviously you've got you can put

458
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 1: the person in an air conditioned environment to help them

459
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 1: cool down, you can put them in an ice bath.

460
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:10,920
Speaker 1: You'll see that, like at hot weather events. I'm trying

461
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 1: to think there are a lot of other conditions, so

462
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:14,399
Speaker 1: you'll see a hot weather events we don't really have

463
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 1: time to talk about. Things like rabdough are very very

464
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 1: concerning if someone's exercising in the heat. But you'll often

465
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 1: see at the end of hot events in first day

466
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,920
Speaker 1: tents they're popping people in ice bas to cool them down.

467
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,400
Speaker 1: They've got some of these symptoms, like fifteen twenty minutes

468
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 1: I think is how long you want to put them

469
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 1: in there for. But like if you're starting to feel headache, dizziness,

470
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 1: and nausea, I guess my big take home here is

471
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:42,200
Speaker 1: to get out of the sun, stop exercising if you're exercising,

472
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 1: and start hydrating. If you're not hydrating with with that

473
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 1: carbohydrate solution, you're looking to drop that cool temperature, that

474
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Speaker 1: core temperature below that kind of danger zone, right, and

475
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,119
Speaker 1: I really get it back to where what's to be,

476
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 1: which I think in fahrenheit's around ninety six point six.

477
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 1: You you probably don't want to actively cool someone all

478
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Speaker 1: the way down because you can overshoot and they can

479
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 1: get hypothermic and so like, then they can get too

480
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,439
Speaker 1: cold if you're like you know, dumping them in a

481
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Speaker 1: freezer or like you know, actively calling them to aggressively.

482
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,639
Speaker 1: So that's something to be concerned with as well. And

483
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 1: you don't want the person to start shivering because the

484
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,160
Speaker 1: body's trying to heat yourself back up at that point,

485
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 1: so you can't be uber aggressive. But I think having

486
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:31,640
Speaker 1: said all this, like I said, the big take home

487
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 1: is like, if you start to feel sick, dizzy underwell,

488
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:39,680
Speaker 1: when you're outside in the heats, get out the heat,

489
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 1: get some water, get in the shade if you can,

490
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 1: get their conditioning if you can. If you're at a

491
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Speaker 1: job site, you know, if there's like a trailer where

492
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Speaker 1: you with that's air conditioned, go in the trailer. Like

493
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 1: it's not worth your life, even if it's your job.

494
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 3: You want to know it's fun?

495
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 1: Is that what's fun?

496
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Speaker 3: In the United States, there's no federal law that says

497
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:05,119
Speaker 3: you can't make people work in the hot weather without

498
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 3: hell yeah, some states less than half. I don't have

499
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 3: the notes in front of me. I have the notes

500
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Speaker 3: for a different thing I recorded recently. Some states like

501
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:18,199
Speaker 3: sixteen of them or sometime maybe have laws against working

502
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:22,439
Speaker 3: people outside and the heat, but most states don't. The

503
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,919
Speaker 3: federal government is like considering one right now, but that

504
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 3: is like probably years away before it could be enacted.

505
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 3: But it's like basic worker protections, like don't have people

506
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 3: work outside without enough stuff to make sure they don't.

507
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 1: Die of it. Consider forming a union. Yeah, google Blair

508
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 1: Mountain for more information on how to respond if you're

509
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 1: not allowed here, if you're not allowed to take breaks

510
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 1: for the heat. Yeah yeah, yeah yeah. Talking of how

511
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 1: capitalism is killing us all, Margaret, it's time for us

512
00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 1: to break for some adverts so things people can buy.

513
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:13,919
Speaker 2: Oh we have we have some breaking news here, folks.

514
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 2: We have some breaking sheep news. So it turns out

515
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:22,440
Speaker 2: during during during James's Last Sheep episode, he talked about

516
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 2: having Texel sheep when it's actually Tesl sheep, so this is.

517
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 1: Pretty No, they're definitely Texels.

518
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 2: Who's pretty exciting here. Who is the largest northwestern islands

519
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 2: of the of the Netherlands. It's one of those European

520
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 2: places where where the pronouncidation, where the pronunciation does not

521
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 2: match how it's written, and it's Tessel sheep. Not textel sheep.

522
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 1: So this is.

523
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 2: Pretty exciting for me, and usually James gets to make

524
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 2: fun of how I pronounce words. Now and now now

525
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 2: now looks so here we go?

526
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 3: Here we should we? I mean, should we move into

527
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 3: like machinations versus machinations or should we just move on?

528
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 2: No?

529
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 1: I think we can just move on here where We'll

530
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: just start a Buenos Aires and move from there. Yeah, Garrison,

531
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Speaker 1: the Speaker of Free, I have.

532
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 2: A hard life. They did not teach me how to

533
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 2: say words in Canada. It was all I know. It

534
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 2: was tongues. In the school. We couldn't We didn't actually

535
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 2: learn much much English, so much woods.

536
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't worry again. Yeah, we're we're all learning as

537
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: we go. You see, there we go. Yeah, I've just

538
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 1: I've just learned that that the place is called Tehsel

539
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 1: and then that's the sheep from there.

540
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 3: Is there an X in it or something?

541
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 2: No?

542
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 1: Yes, when you're yeah, is there an X all the time?

543
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 1: T E X C L Yeah, I always see, but

544
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 1: X sounds the X sounds like an S. Yeah speaking Yeah, fascinating. Yeah. Wow,

545
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 1: And all my life I've been misnaming the very sheep

546
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 1: that many of you enjoyed hearing about sad.

547
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 3: That no wonder the sheep weren't coming when you called.

548
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 1: They felt no they come disrespected.

549
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, well never mind.

550
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, to be fair, I just go out there

551
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: and say sheep. So you know I'm hedging my beds

552
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 1: with the pronunciation of that one.

553
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 3: Well you want to talk about animals and heat waves,

554
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 3: I would love to, Yeah, tell me it was me

555
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 3: what to do with your sheep, But I talk about

556
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 3: humans and heat and heat waves. So actually, ironically, one

557
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 3: of the things that I learned I don't know whether

558
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 3: or not applies to sheep. I was talking before this

559
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 3: to one of my professional animal friends who has worked

560
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:51,479
Speaker 3: in veterinary clinics and also as a professional horse person.

561
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 3: So there's some stuff to know, right for all of

562
00:30:56,320 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 3: our all of the people who aren't humans. Different animals

563
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 3: need different electrolyte feel formulas if you are going to

564
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 3: feed them electrolytes, and for example, dogs need more sugar

565
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 3: and less salt because they their bodies don't get rid

566
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 3: of salt as much. Right, they don't really sweat nearly

567
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 3: so much. Occasional pedialyte or some other like non gator

568
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 3: ady thing is fine. Every now and then, and probably

569
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 3: gatorides probably fine every now and then. But don't be

570
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 3: like like you can go hiking and just drink electrolytes, right,

571
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 3: not sugar water, but electrolytes. But don't do that with

572
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 3: your dog, even if it's super hot out. There is

573
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 3: dog specific stuff and there's formulas you can look up

574
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 3: for dog specific making your own. Don't shave your pets.

575
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 3: This is the one that I don't know if applies

576
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 3: to sheep.

577
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 2: My friend said, this does not apply to sheep. You

578
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 2: have to share there. You want to have to share

579
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 2: your sheep or else they will overheat and die.

580
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, yeah, you want to share your sheep. Yeah.

581
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 3: Some animals you want to shave. Some animals you don't.

582
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 3: If you have animals, you should look this up ahead

583
00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 3: of time. Some people like run out and shave their

584
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 3: cats and dogs if a heatwave. This is a very

585
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 3: bad thing. The hair is designed to protect them from

586
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 3: the sun. Also, especially like if you have a dog

587
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 3: with a double coat, it does a lot of weird

588
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 3: heat transfer stuff and it's really kind of cool and magic.

589
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 3: Brushing and grooming are very good. If your dog is

590
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 3: like slow to its summer coat or it's summer is

591
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 3: suddenly here eleven months of the year, or as I predict,

592
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 3: there's going to be two seasons. There's going to be summer,

593
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 3: which will last for nine months, and then there's going

594
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 3: to be hell mouth, which will replace what was previously summer.

595
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 3: Don't take your dog out in the hottest weather. It

596
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 3: is better that your dog pisses inside it gets heat stroke.

597
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 3: It is harder to identify heat stroke and a dog,

598
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,719
Speaker 3: but if the dog is like panting a particular amount,

599
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 3: there's like other things about looking at the gums and eyes.

600
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: I got bitten by a dog that was having a

601
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: heat stroke on my god, forsdy Li. It was good.

602
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 3: I feel bad for both the animals involved in this.

603
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 1: Yeah good, feel fairly secure in saying that the people

604
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 1: who were looking off to dog on listening, but like, yeah,

605
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: they made a series of very poor choices. Yeah yeah,

606
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 1: and like it wasn't nice.

607
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 3: Hiking is my main activity and it is like my

608
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 3: main bonding with me and my dog, and I am

609
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 3: not doing it during a lot of the heat wave,

610
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 3: and I'm finding other ways. I'm you know, because I'm

611
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 3: I have to drive a decent way to go hiking,

612
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 3: right so I can't do it early in the morning

613
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 3: unless they wake up earlier than I want to. But

614
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 3: if you are going to do as sid activities with

615
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 3: both yourself or with an animal, consider doing them at

616
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 3: early in the morning or late in the evening or

617
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 3: mid the night.

618
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 1: I don't want it whatever.

619
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Speaker 3: If you have animals that can't come inside, because overall,

620
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 3: what it was going to apply to your animals is

621
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:47,239
Speaker 3: it was going to apply to humans, like get them

622
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 3: into the ac Like what are you doing? But a

623
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 3: lot of animals you don't have a room for inside,

624
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 3: right unless you're a medieval Irish peasant, in which case

625
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 3: I've read way too much about how much those animals

626
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 3: live inside.

627
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, cows under the house, so the warmth comes up.

628
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 3: So you want a crossbreeze in your barn or coop

629
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 3: or whatever. If it's a coop, you want to make

630
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 3: sure there's a place at the top for air to

631
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,240
Speaker 3: come escape. And you don't want the like box style

632
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 3: coop with only one entrance. If you're dealing with heat waves,

633
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 3: you want a lot of cool water that is easy

634
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 3: to drink. And so a lot of people who normally

635
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,800
Speaker 3: feed their animals with like the nipple style feeders different animals,

636
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 3: you have different ways of watering them. No, no nipple

637
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 3: style feeders. During a heat wave, the animal needs to

638
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 3: be able to get into the get the water easily.

639
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 3: For chickens, you might want to bring your nesting boxes

640
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 3: down to the ground floor where it's cooler. You also

641
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 3: might want to consider insulating the coop, like with hay bales,

642
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 3: for example, you can stack them up next to your coop.

643
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 3: Horses have yet another electrolyte mix. My horse professional friend

644
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 3: uses one called Gallagher's Water, but points out that it's

645
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 3: like mostly bougie people use it when they're when most

646
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 3: people have horses are bougie, but not all of them

647
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:03,280
Speaker 3: right at least where I live other places.

648
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 1: Okay, so.

649
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 3: It's only necessary in extreme circumstances. It's only better than

650
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 3: water in extreme circumstances. Most animals do very well with

651
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 3: just drinking water. And also you can probably consider if

652
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 3: you live somewhere wester than I do, you can consider

653
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 3: misting systems if you have the money and the infrastructure.

654
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 3: And misting systems is basically just like it pumps water

655
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,399
Speaker 3: out into a mist and the mist cools everything down

656
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 3: and below about seventy percent humidity. They're fairly effective. Below

657
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 3: fifty percent of humidity, they're incredibly effective. And so they

658
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 3: and it's not that you get wet, it's that they do.

659
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 3: It's like it's like the air is sweating, the air.

660
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 1: Is They're like you have in if you go to

661
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: restaurants in Phoenix outside they have them. Yeah. I bought

662
00:35:56,680 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: some really cheap of like Craigslist, like super cheap. I think,

663
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 1: I hot you, I just have to go and get them.

664
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, but no, I'm like so jealous because it wouldn't

665
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 3: work where I live.

666
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:10,320
Speaker 1: You can't use them because of a high humidity.

667
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 3: I mean they do a little bit here, but not

668
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 3: very effectively.

669
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know your chickens don't want to be living

670
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: in a too damp environment. Could be that that it lungs,

671
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: so don't be running one inside all the time. Yeah,

672
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 1: and againside, but I think it's certainly like my chickens

673
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 1: will go around it when it's hot. It seems to it.

674
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 3: And one person I talked to and this is like

675
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 3: I did a bunch of research about this, but it's inconclusive.

676
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 3: One person I talked to during the wildfire smoke actually

677
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,320
Speaker 3: set up a particulate set up a misting system because

678
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 3: mist picks up and drops particular matter to the cloud.

679
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 3: There's a lot of research that says that this particulate

680
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 3: absorption happens. There is no research to say this is

681
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 3: how you handle wildfire smoke with outside animals, but that

682
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:00,879
Speaker 3: is something that at least one person I heard from

683
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 3: is doing, and science backs it up for human animals

684
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 3: in terms of preparedness. Just to run through all this

685
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 3: stuff that I've been keeping track of the way that

686
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 3: you're going to deal with all this if you're not outside, right,

687
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 3: if you're outside and you're dealing with the stuff, you're

688
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 3: going to use what James talked about and like keep

689
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,359
Speaker 3: track of how you're feeling and get into the AC.

690
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 3: I mean, the main thing you want to do is

691
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 3: get into AC right. You don't want to distrenuous exercise.

692
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:25,839
Speaker 3: You want to check alerts on your phone or your

693
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 3: weather radio. If you're a cool prepper and have like

694
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 3: a little weather radio, you probably want to use the

695
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 3: buddy system outside if it's getting really hot, if you can, right,

696
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 3: just like having someone who can keep track of what

697
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 3: you're doing. If you don't have another way to get

698
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 3: to AC consider public libraries and other places. This is

699
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 3: a very good actor time look after your neighbors. And

700
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:50,720
Speaker 3: some of your neighbors are housed and might not have AC.

701
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 3: Some of your neighbors don't have houses and probably don't

702
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 3: have AC unless they live in their vehicles, in which

703
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 3: case they might have some AC, but not all vehicles do.

704
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:01,879
Speaker 3: And so it's a very good time to look after people.

705
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 3: Whether it's giving people rides to public cooling centers, or

706
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 3: whether it's setting up public cooling centers, or they're just

707
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,359
Speaker 3: letting your neighbor who like come over because your AC

708
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 3: is working and theres isn't.

709
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: You want to.

710
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 3: I mean, one thing that you want to do is

711
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 3: to accept that what we're dealing with isn't normal. And

712
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 3: I'll get to that in a moment. But so if

713
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 3: you're a renter, you have fewer options, right in terms

714
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 3: of like structural preparedness, there are some things that you

715
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,839
Speaker 3: can do. Running fans, unless you're a podcaster, Running fans

716
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:34,240
Speaker 3: is a very good idea. If you have ceiling fans,

717
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 3: you want to make sure that during the summer they

718
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 3: run counterclockwise and during the winter they run clockwise. So

719
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 3: it's just look and be like I wanted to push

720
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 3: air down, and you can visualize the direction it'll turn

721
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,320
Speaker 3: to push air down, and that's the summer one.

722
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,240
Speaker 2: I want change the direction they spin.

723
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 3: Yes, there is a little switch on every ceiling fan.

724
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 3: I can see the one behind you.

725
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 1: I can. Don't do it if you look on the screen. No,

726
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 1: don't be a coward. Garrison like, walk me through it. Okay,

727
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 1: I think I see it now.

728
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, but closer off and want me to put my

729
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 2: arm up and then do it.

730
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: It's less because you're going to stick your head in

731
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: there so you can get a good look at what.

732
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: Oh ah, no, Garrison's deceased.

733
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:27,760
Speaker 3: Oh well, good thing they left me their Gester costume.

734
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: You'll never find out any more about cops.

735
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 3: Cop City has to end because there's no other way

736
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 3: for us to find out about it. They finally stopped,

737
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 3: all right, So other things that you can do. Evaporative

738
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 3: cooling is the coolest thing in the world. Again, if

739
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 3: you're not in a human area. This is why humidity

740
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 3: is absolutely terrible. And I picked the wrong part of

741
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 3: the country to be from wet Bandana's wet clothing. There's

742
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 3: actually like it's kind of sad. Was saying that there's

743
00:39:56,000 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 3: no labor protections about heat. Some farm workers like developed

744
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 3: a like an immigrant farm worker developed a cooling vest

745
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 3: system that she's like working on that. There's like articles

746
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 3: about where it's it just uses avaporative cooling to cool people.

747
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 3: And it's like one of those things where I'm like

748
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 3: that rules and also it's absolutely awful that that's like

749
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 3: where we're at. Where we're at, you know, is not like, oh,

750
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 3: let's have better labor practices and stuff. And if you

751
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 3: have a house, if you have like a place that

752
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 3: you can really do preparedness for, there's I mean, we'll

753
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 3: just get an air conditioner. Don't run your air conditioner

754
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 3: as like low as it'll go. It just doesn't actually

755
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,800
Speaker 3: make things any cooler. Air conditioners are generally designed and

756
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 3: only cool things. I want to say, was it like

757
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 3: thirty degrees below outside temperature or something?

758
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:52,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think also depends on like the size

759
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 1: of the relative space you're cooling and a BTU.

760
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 3: Well, so I'm saying that they're sized for that by

761
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,359
Speaker 3: like regulation. If someone comes in as like, oh, what

762
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 3: size AC should I put into this house, it's going

763
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 3: to be I want this size house to be be

764
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 3: cooled thirty degrees.

765
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 1: I think it's thirty degrees.

766
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,800
Speaker 3: It might be twenty four, okay, And so if you

767
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 3: run your fans, you actually can keep your thermostat up

768
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 3: about four degrees. And if you don't have it, if

769
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 3: you don't have AC, there's a lot you can do

770
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,359
Speaker 3: with like thermal mass right is your friend. Like if

771
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 3: you have a you can choose which house you're going

772
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 3: to live in. Living in brick houses is great or

773
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 3: adobe houses. It depends on where you live and what

774
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 3: your climate is. You want to keep your curtains closed

775
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:33,879
Speaker 3: during the day and open at night if you're trying

776
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 3: to keep out the sun, but then let out the

777
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,959
Speaker 3: heat into the cool night air, assuming that there's still

778
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 3: cool night air. Depends on where you live. As we

779
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 3: enter into this nightmare world, Reflective window insulationy things like

780
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:48,800
Speaker 3: the thing that you put in your windshield can help.

781
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 3: There's like stuff you can do when you accept that

782
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 3: it's an emergency and you can okay. But then the

783
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 3: other thing is that running AC's puts a lot of

784
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,959
Speaker 3: strain on power grid, and we're already starting to see

785
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,839
Speaker 3: more grid failure, usually in the brown out style rather

786
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:08,720
Speaker 3: than the blackout style. But when everyone's running their AC,

787
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 3: the grid is not designed to handle it, and there

788
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 3: are problems, and so one you get these like city

789
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 3: wide text alerts that are like, hey, everyone, please turn

790
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 3: up your AC like turned down whatever, make your AC

791
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 3: less cold cold. And this is an example of something

792
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,839
Speaker 3: that we should do and listen to. But it's really

793
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 3: fucking annoying because it's not our fucking fault that the

794
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 3: world is heating up, right, And they're not like turning

795
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 3: off Times Square. They're telling everyone, you know, they're not

796
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 3: turning off the ads. Yeah, speaking of ads, it's a.

797
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 1: Good time to pivot to some some more stuff. Yea,

798
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 1: even it is waste wasting power.

799
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 3: Even in the emergency, there's still the ads.

800
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 1: Here you go.

801
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:02,879
Speaker 3: And we're back.

802
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: Hopefully. It was for gold, which is useless in the

803
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 1: death of the nurse. I just want to throw that

804
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 1: out there.

805
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it does keep its value compared to.

806
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 1: Cash, just until neither of them have that.

807
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 3: That's why whiskey Oh wait, no, wait, mutual.

808
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 2: Aid Now, that's why I've been stacking up on my

809
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 2: on my series of John's Version inspired n f T

810
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 2: s that I minted last year, and oh boy, have

811
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 2: they only grown in value? Am I. I'm telling you

812
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 2: this is that, this is what's gonna hold me through whenever,

813
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:43,840
Speaker 2: whenever you know, the thing happens.

814
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 1: Yep, I will be at your door with my wanting

815
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 1: to try ammunition for apes, as I always am. Find

816
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 1: me in the group chat.

817
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 3: But there's one other group of people that I want

818
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 3: to talk about really quickly about who we should check

819
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 3: in on, and that is prisoners. There is no way

820
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 3: from my point of view, I'm gonna have a lot

821
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 3: of bias here. There is no way for us to

822
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 3: justly face a climate emergency while we live in a

823
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 3: carcoral society in Texas. This is where most of the

824
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:19,720
Speaker 3: news is right now. But that's not like it's better

825
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,360
Speaker 3: other places. As far as I can tell, in Texas,

826
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 3: since mid June, between nine and twenty three prisoners have

827
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:30,800
Speaker 3: died from heat, but no one knows because Texas refuses

828
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 3: to say that anyone has died from heat. They haven't

829
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 3: done that since I believe twenty twelve is the last

830
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 3: time they admitted someone died from heat. However, two thirds

831
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 3: of Texas prisons don't have air conditioning, and a bunch

832
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 3: of people are dying randomly of heart attacks in their

833
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 3: thirties because they're dying of heat.

834
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:49,720
Speaker 1: Jesus correct.

835
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 2: I think earlier in the first few weeks of July,

836
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 2: when it was getting very, very hot, I believe it,

837
00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 2: it was a pretty young woman died in the Fulton

838
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 2: County jail here in Atlanta.

839
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 1: Yeah.

840
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 2: Sure, and it's they're doing an investigation to see why.

841
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 1: So yeah, oh.

842
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 3: Good, don't worry. The Texas State House passed money to

843
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:15,399
Speaker 3: put AC into prisons and then the Senate rejected it.

844
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 1: Cool. Big thing is the money, because not much money

845
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 1: in law enforcement, so I can see how they're struggling

846
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 1: to afford that.

847
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 3: Otherwise, Yeah, there was a oh I didn't write down

848
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:29,240
Speaker 3: the numbers in my script, but there was like a

849
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:34,439
Speaker 3: many millions of dollar budget surplus that they didn't apply to. Oh,

850
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 3: I don't know. Not having people die for having been

851
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 3: accused of owning weed.

852
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. Whatever.

853
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 3: I get really fucking mad about this, and I think

854
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 3: that it is.

855
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: Like it's fucking horrific.

856
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 3: Okay, and then the last thing I really want to

857
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 3: say is that this was the hottest month right that

858
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 3: any of us have ever experienced. It will be the

859
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 3: coolest month in our memory at some point, you know,

860
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 3: or rather whatever, it's not getting.

861
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,760
Speaker 1: Coolest July our in our memory at some point.

862
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, like next year might be a little bit

863
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:16,879
Speaker 3: cooler because of natural cycles or whatever. Right, but it's

864
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 3: not coming back. We're not going back to normal. And

865
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 3: for me, this month marks a sea change literally and

866
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 3: that the Arctic Antarctic ice did not come back this winter.

867
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:33,320
Speaker 3: It's winter right now in Antarctica and there's a five

868
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 3: or six standard deviation away from normal amount of ice

869
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 3: there right now. Five to six standard deviations is more

870
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 3: than if you flipped a coin one hundred times and

871
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 3: it came up heads every single time. It is like

872
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 3: more than a one in three point five million chance.

873
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 1: Right.

874
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,439
Speaker 3: It is a very big number. It is a very

875
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 3: abnormal thing. Nothing like this has ever been seen before.

876
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:58,360
Speaker 3: And I don't want to say this to make people afraid,

877
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 3: because I don't think we need to be. For whatever.

878
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 3: Fear is complicated. You can't be brave unless you're afraid,

879
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:07,760
Speaker 3: That's what I will say. You cannot have courage. Courage

880
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 3: is the act of responding to fear, and we should

881
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 3: notice the fear and not let it control us. But

882
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:21,399
Speaker 3: it really is time for people to very seriously look

883
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 3: at not what's going to happen by twenty fifty, but

884
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:28,879
Speaker 3: what is happening now, What is happening now, what will

885
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 3: happen in the next three years, the next five years,

886
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 3: the next ten years, and start making decisions based on that.

887
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 3: That is what I want. I don't want to tell

888
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 3: people what those decisions are. I want people to get

889
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 3: together with the people that they care about and figure

890
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 3: out what those decisions are. One of the things that

891
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:50,399
Speaker 3: I would recommend is building resilient communities, is looking at

892
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 3: how to build communities right, And there's a lot of ways.

893
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 3: A lot of like scenes can become communities, a lot

894
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 3: of extended families can become communities. A lot of religious

895
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 3: organizations are communities. Okay, how and then how to make

896
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 3: them resilient? How to collectively look at how to handle

897
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:12,720
Speaker 3: these things, whether it's literally just having a plan for like, Okay,

898
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 3: if the power goes out, who has the whole house

899
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 3: generator where I live? Someone around being has god to

900
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 3: have a whole house generator. I don't have one. I

901
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 3: want one, but they're expensive. Whose AC is still going

902
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 3: to be running when the power goes out? Right, or

903
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:33,439
Speaker 3: whether it's like, hey, how can we collectively help each

904
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 3: other's houses have rain water catchment systems? Right? How can

905
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 3: we collectively be building up food sovereignty as well as

906
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 3: food storage? How can we have I want to see personally,

907
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 3: I want to see days of workshops at community centers

908
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 3: of all different ideological compositions getting together and being like,

909
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 3: here's how you can food, Here's how you dry food.

910
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 3: Here is how you set up mesh networks.

911
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 1: I just.

912
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:08,959
Speaker 3: I think it's time. I think that I'm tired of saying, hey,

913
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 3: bad stuff might be coming because it's not might be coming.

914
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:16,879
Speaker 3: Now it's here and it's really bad. And I think

915
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 3: people stick to the might be coming because they're afraid

916
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 3: of despair. And I will say that despair is not good, right,

917
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:28,720
Speaker 3: but the but that is something that we can fight.

918
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 3: How do we fight despair? Is also part of this?

919
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 3: And that the answer to that is agency, and when

920
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 3: we can find ways to act with agency, that is

921
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 3: I mean, there's like studies about like in disasters, people

922
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:42,919
Speaker 3: who express agency have like less PTSD right when bad

923
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 3: things happen. Yeah, and even if the agency, like I

924
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 3: mean I remember all at one point getting arrested, right,

925
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 3: and being like, all right, well, I'm keeping track of

926
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 3: like I know that cops badge number, I know, I

927
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 3: know this. I'm keeping track of stuff in case there's

928
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 3: a lawsuit later. I totally lost that lawsuit, but like

929
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:04,359
Speaker 3: that helped me get through that situation. Right, everyone else

930
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 3: won the lawsuit, but because I was in black block,

931
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 3: I did not win the lawsuit.

932
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 1: That's that's funny, that's funny. Yeah.

933
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:13,800
Speaker 3: Anyway, Actually it might have been because I refused to

934
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 3: give my name anyway, whatever, it was a long time ago,

935
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 3: and kiss film this and just so yeah, act with agency.

936
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:27,360
Speaker 3: That is the solution. The solution it is. It's like, like,

937
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 3: it's not the solution to despair. It's a way to

938
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 3: deal with it. In the same way that we're not

939
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:33,239
Speaker 3: looking at solutions to climate change anymore. We're looking at

940
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:35,359
Speaker 3: ways to deal with it, right because it's already here.

941
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:36,359
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.

942
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 2: Some of the episodes that me and Robert research to

943
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 2: put together for the original, like could happen near season

944
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:44,439
Speaker 2: two stuff is Yeah, a lot of us talking about

945
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:49,840
Speaker 2: like a mitigation versus adaption, And almost every day it

946
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:52,320
Speaker 2: looks like we're getting more and more committed to just

947
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 2: all a full adaption model, because these things are really

948
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:59,280
Speaker 2: not going to be like the most common widespread effects

949
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 2: is not going to be mitigated. There's still a few,

950
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 2: like cataclysmic scenarios that that probably could be averted, but

951
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 2: things are going to get so much, so much worse,

952
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 2: and that will be to deal with that, we will

953
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 2: have to adopt a large variety of adaptations. And it's

954
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:23,399
Speaker 2: gonna suck, but it's it's what we're gonna have to do.

955
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 2: I don't know, I've there's there's a variety of reactions

956
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 2: to this. I mean, I think I should just put

957
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 2: together an episode on this sometimes in the future. But

958
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 2: like there's as this as the intensity of the situations

959
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 2: more and more, like, as as it becomes more and

960
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 2: more clear, we're going to get a variety of reactions

961
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:45,800
Speaker 2: from especially for people on the right who used to

962
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 2: be very much pure purely like ignoring or denying this problem.

963
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 2: Some some some on the right have like have skipped

964
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:57,360
Speaker 2: over the whole part where they've been wrong for so

965
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 2: many years and are going to start up applying extreme

966
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 2: the authoritarian and like nationalist solutions to this. Others are

967
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 2: just doubling down on denial because facing the facts of

968
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 2: the horrible situation we're in is more and more like frightening.

969
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 2: It's it's it's harder to admit that you're wrong and

970
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 2: realize the the terribleness of the situation of the most

971
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,880
Speaker 2: recent example of this is I've been checking on the

972
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 2: replies to to CTV News, which is one of the

973
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 2: biggest Canadian like television news stations. They've they've put out

974
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 2: a few stories about how July is the hottest month,

975
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 2: and the in the replies to this story, it's there's

976
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 2: just a shock and honestly shocking amount of of pure

977
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 2: like flippant denial of what's going on. And this has

978
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 2: been an increasing problem in Canada. And it's it's which

979
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 2: is ironic because actually Canada's economy is probably gonna grow

980
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 2: during climate change because they're gonna take over a whole

981
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:02,319
Speaker 2: bunch of agricultural production from the States. They're actually going

982
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 2: to become a much bigger economic player. But the amount

983
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 2: of just pure denial that that that we're that we're

984
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:12,319
Speaker 2: seeing in Canada and we're seeing get like increased is

985
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:16,399
Speaker 2: extremely worrying. Yeah, and it's one of those things that's

986
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 2: really hard to deal with, Like it's It's also something

987
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:20,799
Speaker 2: I talked about in my hyper object episode. But like

988
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:24,320
Speaker 2: it's like it's the same thing if someone's like in QAnon,

989
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:26,920
Speaker 2: you can't like you can't like out logic them from

990
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 2: qan on. You have to you have to you have

991
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 2: to tell a better story.

992
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:33,320
Speaker 1: So this is you need a solid place to stand

993
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 1: like before you can push someone, if you see what

994
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:35,839
Speaker 1: I mean.

995
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like I don't know, it's it's just been

996
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 2: it's been concerning because I've been seeing a whole bunch

997
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 2: of whole bunch of these things about how this is

998
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 2: the hottest month in one hundred and twenty thousand years,

999
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 2: and yeah, that is uh an, that is a like

1000
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 2: a horrifying thing to learn, and you can like look

1001
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 2: at you know what this what the sources for this are.

1002
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:58,919
Speaker 2: But the fact that so many of us are just

1003
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 2: just denying this is that like as you like you

1004
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:04,399
Speaker 2: can go outside and feel it as well, like it's

1005
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 2: like it's and that's not how climate works all the time.

1006
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:10,919
Speaker 2: But like I've certainly I think many of us have

1007
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 2: have felt the effects of this, and also like the

1008
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 2: death numbers can't lie either.

1009
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and like I just got back from a

1010
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:24,400
Speaker 1: trip which will be a podcast soon to the Marshall Islands,

1011
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:28,880
Speaker 1: where it is extremely evident that sea levels are rising

1012
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:31,240
Speaker 1: and if they continue to rise at the rate they're rising,

1013
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 1: then these places will be uninhabitable within the lifetimes of

1014
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:38,920
Speaker 1: people who are alive today. And it's it's very odd

1015
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 1: to or very sort of discordant to see that. And

1016
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:44,279
Speaker 1: then you log on when you get home and see

1017
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 1: someone being like, oh, it's natural variation, or you know,

1018
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:50,840
Speaker 1: like oh, it's snowed last winter, or you know, some

1019
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:54,720
Speaker 1: something which shows like a name incomplete understanding, but still

1020
00:54:54,760 --> 00:55:00,399
Speaker 1: like just a knee jerk rejection of of like all

1021
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 1: the evidence we have that the climate is changing and

1022
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 1: it's it's not coming back.

1023
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:08,799
Speaker 3: But I find myself the same that I have that

1024
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:14,360
Speaker 3: same feeling sometimes when I see people refuse to engage

1025
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 3: with solutions, even with people who just are like, sure,

1026
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 3: oh that's real. There's nothing we can do about it,

1027
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:25,319
Speaker 3: so we're not going to try. Like feels very like

1028
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 3: and I don't mean like, I don't even mean a

1029
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:30,360
Speaker 3: specific way of trying. I don't mean everyone has to

1030
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:33,840
Speaker 3: go get arrested gluing themselves to famous things, or everyone

1031
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 3: needs to go set things on fire. Everyone needs to

1032
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 3: only focus on growing food or like. But just when

1033
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:45,240
Speaker 3: I see people like just being like, well, there's nothing,

1034
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 3: so I'm just gonna not take it into account in

1035
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:52,919
Speaker 3: my decision making. I'm like, even if your decision making

1036
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 3: is like, like I made the decision to move near

1037
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 3: my family because a climate change, I didn't move to

1038
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:00,120
Speaker 3: where the climate is going to be magically stable. I

1039
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 3: move to where I can spend more time with people

1040
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 3: I love and be in a better position to take

1041
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:09,760
Speaker 3: care of them, you know, Like I just I feel

1042
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 3: so like I don't know it was whatever.

1043
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:19,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no it is. And it's very difficult to

1044
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:23,880
Speaker 1: see people just sort of fiddle as the Titanic Sally.

1045
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 2: Shutting down is the is one of the easiest reactions

1046
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 2: to stress and ignoring both both the both like the

1047
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 2: like the like the v admitt like denial of this.

1048
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:36,840
Speaker 2: As things are obviously getting more and more intense, the

1049
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 2: denial gets more and more intense. But so is like

1050
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:42,239
Speaker 2: the types of like the type of dumerism that leads

1051
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 2: you just to like checking out of being like, oh

1052
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 2: this is so bad, there's nothing I can do, So

1053
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 2: I'm just going to completely ignore this. And then that's

1054
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 2: that's also another way of just like sectioning off this

1055
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 2: part of your brain so it so it doesn't.

1056
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 1: Actually impact you.

1057
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 2: It's it's it's functionally quite the same, and I can't.

1058
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:00,280
Speaker 3: Blame people for it. And that's what I think. People

1059
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:02,319
Speaker 3: often think that I am judging for them for that,

1060
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 3: and I'm not. I just feel like I'm it's just

1061
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:07,279
Speaker 3: it's hard to engage with sometimes.

1062
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, But I think a good point to end is like,

1063
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:13,800
Speaker 1: maybe the best prep you can do for climate change

1064
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 1: is not like buying a bigger air conditioner or moving

1065
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 1: to somewhere where you think there is a better chance

1066
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 1: that you personally as an individual will be better, but

1067
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 1: it's building a community that can be resilient and that

1068
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 1: can like weather the storm, and like having seen a

1069
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 1: country which is losing its very minimal amount of land

1070
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 1: to climate change and how communities have come together to

1071
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 1: protect each other during that. It's kind of reinforced to

1072
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 1: me how important community is as opposed to stuff.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, Also with communities you can get more stuff.

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Speaker 1: You can make your own stuff.

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Speaker 3: That's true, seize the means of production, but not for

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Speaker 3: the pure Marxist point for you, but from the I

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Speaker 3: like joking, but I'm actually like, this is what people

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Speaker 3: should be preparing to do.

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Speaker 1: Like, yeah, a.

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Speaker 3: Climate revolution that's less about like, oh, we're going to

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Speaker 3: put in someone smart in charge, you's going to fix everything,

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Speaker 3: and more a climate revolution that's like we're going to

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Speaker 3: create bottom up solutions and not let people stop us

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Speaker 3: from creating bottom up solutions.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that would be good. It'd be a good revolution.

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Speaker 1: Consider implementing that.

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