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Speaker 2: Pulled in by Wilson for a touchdown. Wanna throw by

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Speaker 2: Touchdown Tyler Murray, that defender is in multiple pieces.

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Speaker 4: All that was nasty right there?

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Speaker 2: Rights slam the ground by fooda baker like a torpedo.

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Speaker 2: He came flying into the backfield. I ain't scared of nobody.

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Speaker 1: Here's Paul Calvic.

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Speaker 4: All right.

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Speaker 2: My gift to you off the top of your Cardinals Underground.

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Speaker 2: No snarky, seemingly witty intro, although I'm really more attempted

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Speaker 2: than succeed at it in the past, no more apparent

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Speaker 2: than earlier today is Jay Jones intro That went awry

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Speaker 2: and I may have submarined the entire interview, and I

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Speaker 2: was trying to make the point that, you know what,

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Speaker 2: there are six guys with the last name Jones on

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Speaker 2: the current Cardinals roster here week two of the OTAs,

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Speaker 2: and I was just curious if he was keeping up

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Speaker 2: with the Joneses, and he said, well, that's cute, and

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Speaker 2: then he turned towards the other person who was interviewing

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Speaker 2: him at the time, and so, yeah, you know, I

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Speaker 2: probably should have saved that. In hindsight, Danny, you know,

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Speaker 2: I probably should have saved that maybe for a little

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Speaker 2: bit later, after maybe I established re established some good

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Speaker 2: graces with Jay Jones here.

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Speaker 3: It's probably not the first time he's heard that.

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Speaker 4: Probably not. Wow, okay, well, is that why you got sideways?

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Speaker 2: It can always get worse than it.

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Speaker 4: To get the idea laid out today?

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Speaker 3: Where's the lamp?

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Speaker 2: The lamp? Oh my god, well, you know what, the

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Speaker 2: way I'm tracking out of the gates here, there's no

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Speaker 2: chance of me lighting that lamp today. So maybe, uh,

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Speaker 2: you know, I guess we have to work to earn

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Speaker 4: Now, you guys, you guys usually has a table, and

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Speaker 4: we don't have the tables here.

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Speaker 3: What is the point of the podcast if there's no

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Speaker 3: lamp to.

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Speaker 2: Light okay, Well, if you want to go off on

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Speaker 2: like a two minute rant, so the camera's on you,

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Speaker 2: we have no pedestal or anything.

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Speaker 3: The table is here in the corner.

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Speaker 2: Oh I see there it is? Okay? All right, Well

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Speaker 2: you know do you do you want to stop down

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Speaker 2: and uh and put the light on or can you persevere?

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Speaker 2: Can youersevere?

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Speaker 4: I think I'm going to live with it, and it'll

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Speaker 4: be in next week's winning behavior or non winning behavior.

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Speaker 3: That's on Paul.

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Speaker 2: They can edit in later, you c G I little

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Speaker 2: yeah like that. It'll go a little bit later. You know,

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Speaker 2: we'll see. So all right, let's just get right to it, Paul,

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Speaker 2: KELVC Darren Irvan, Danny sirek Uh. There they were earlier

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Speaker 2: today Cardinals out on the field. But the second straight

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Speaker 2: week Phase three o t AS Week two? Did I

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Speaker 4: You did?

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Speaker 2: Okay? What stood out? What should stand out? You know? Takeaways?

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Speaker 2: You know, what was worthwhile? What was news worthy? What

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Speaker 4: I mean again, when we're talking about OTAs, there's only

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Speaker 4: so much a we can report on and be that

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Speaker 4: I know a lot of people have been talking a

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Speaker 4: really mean? But I did notice that there was a

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Speaker 4: the the taking attendance is more important. Next week with

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Speaker 2: Stuff, we might not agree on much, but I think

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Speaker 2: that point. So yeah, that's true. It's much ado about nothing,

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Speaker 2: Come on now so we'll see you know what you

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Speaker 2: know who was there I thought was interesting was Kenny Dillingham,

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Speaker 2: ASU head coach And how could you not see him

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Speaker 2: standing next to Jonathan Gannon and the two of them talking,

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Speaker 2: and think, man, do you realize the state of ASU

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Speaker 2: football when Kenny Dillingham took over? Do you realize just

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Speaker 2: how far Jonathan Gannon and Mantias Sport had to go

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Speaker 2: coming off that season in twenty twenty two with an

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Speaker 2: it's phenomenal with the two of a competent.

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Speaker 4: I think it's it's it's amazing. And when you when

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Speaker 4: you drill down on the Cardinals themselves, like you forget,

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Speaker 4: I don't say you forget. I heard I heard at

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Speaker 4: some point that there was some list out there. And again, Paul,

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Speaker 4: You've made that comment before that this is kind of

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Speaker 2: Oh are we talking the Pro Football Focus and hot seat.

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Speaker 4: Hot seat and and Gannon being on it and it you.

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Speaker 2: Know, when I'm rolling up my sleeves right now, can

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Speaker 2: I have a piece of that when you're done.

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Speaker 4: I mean, obviously that's dumb, and I think it's just dumb.

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Speaker 4: But aside from that.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, I didn't even dignify that with

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Speaker 4: No, no, I didn't. I I just heard about it.

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Speaker 4: But I guess where I'm going with it is you

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Speaker 4: that first season, and I know, no NFL season is

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Speaker 4: a lost season. That was that was in hindsight, that's

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Speaker 4: a throwaway season you didn't have. You weren't gonna have

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Speaker 4: that year. That's just my personal feeling. People can say

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. We had a chance to visit with Jacoby

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Speaker 2: talk football with an NFL quarterback. It's just next level.

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Speaker 2: Like when we have Drew Standing on the Red Sea Report,

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Speaker 2: most interesting was that he said, oh, yeah, I'm an

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Speaker 2: admitted trash talker. I will chop it up during practice.

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Speaker 2: You will hear me. I will start it, And then

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Speaker 2: didn't Nick Rowlis have a long explanation at his press

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Speaker 2: now I'm fast forward in my head to Cardinals camp

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Speaker 2: at State Farm Stadium in August and Jaco we said,

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Speaker 2: Nick Ross barking at each other from either side of

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Speaker 3: This is nothing new. ROLLSS has talked about this before.

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Speaker 3: What's interesting is this time of year, the rules are

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Speaker 3: set up so the offense can quote unquote be more

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Speaker 3: successful in a sense. Right, So it's gonna be easier

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Speaker 3: good play, right because the defense you don't want contact,

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Speaker 3: you don't want anyone getting hurt. So a lot of

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Speaker 3: the trash talk. Now it's very interesting coming from a

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Speaker 3: tight end Trey McBride when the defense really can't do

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Speaker 3: much about it. But this is something that goes on

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Speaker 3: all year. The defensive coordinator is always chirping at offensive

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Speaker 3: The players, right, I mean, Trey McBride and Buddha Baker

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Speaker 3: And McBride was saying too, he was going back and

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Speaker 3: end of the day, right, it's all about iron sharpening

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Speaker 3: iron and helping each other get better. You're just having

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Speaker 4: And I know you are certainly going to want to

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Speaker 4: talk about trash talk, Paul, because that's what you're all about.

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Speaker 4: But I do want to clarify real quick with what

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Speaker 4: Danny was saying for those out there listening when we

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Speaker 4: let it go. So like it's it's very you can

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Speaker 3: Gets to the rest rollis also to clarify that McBride

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Speaker 2: So I'm guessing a lot of the trash talk is

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Speaker 3: You got no one to defend me.

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Speaker 4: Well, Trey did say that if every time he makes

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Speaker 4: thought you were going to cover me today. No, he's

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Speaker 4: covering me, which is always I mean, I'm assuming this

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Speaker 2: So take that scenario you just described and take out

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Speaker 2: Nick Ross, insert Fred Warner just saying anyway, Trey McBride

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Speaker 2: I just had I had an idea. Here, you tell

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Speaker 2: turn it on right now. Okay, do you think in

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Speaker 2: training camp the defense should be allowed to touch the

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Speaker 2: merchandise a little bit more? How does the receiver get

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Speaker 2: better at Contesta catches Marvin Arrison Junior if he's get

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Speaker 2: if he's totally untouched. And remember the jokes that the

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Speaker 2: shall not touch the number four pick overall, sort of

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Speaker 2: like Larry back in the day. But Larry was established,

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Speaker 2: it was a multi time pro bowler. But it was

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Speaker 4: Oh dude, I got a I got an anecdote. I

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Speaker 4: want to tell them that ahead.

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Speaker 2: I'm just wondering, you know, what is the risk reward

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Speaker 2: of letting your dvs more be more physical with your receivers,

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Speaker 2: because that's regular season football.

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Speaker 4: First of all, Just to clarify the rules right now

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Speaker 4: are NFLPA rules about camp? I know, And I'm just

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Speaker 4: trying to accentuate your point, which is once we get

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Speaker 4: to camp, then it's coaches making that decision. They can

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Speaker 4: It's funny that you say what people want to hear,

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Speaker 2: It's something at Cliff Kingsbury, you know, Trey McBride says sauce.

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Speaker 4: Please tell me your clip and that you have to

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Speaker 3: One so we have like an out of context sloper

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Speaker 4: I've often said, Paul is just about winning. It's it's

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Speaker 2: Okay, you want to stat there, tough guy, turn this

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Speaker 2: you can eat riblets, double crunch, shrimp and chicken tenders

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Speaker 4: Come on, you had the Hallapanio popper doritos.

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Speaker 2: It's a cold war of crunch where those double or

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Speaker 3: Okay, we're clearly confused. But I'm on the same page

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Speaker 2: Now we have a problem. Oh yes, beef.

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Speaker 2: We've got a highly caffeinated Darren Urban Danny thumbs up,

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Speaker 4: Caustic, abrasive Darren.

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Speaker 3: Nerman, he has put on some muscle.

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Speaker 4: I feel like I've gotten in a better place. I

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Speaker 3: You don't yell at me as much.

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Speaker 2: That just hurts.

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Speaker 4: That hurts right here the lamp.

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Speaker 2: I need a drink, a good walk off. Thumb muscles

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Speaker 2: We need best practices around here. What exactly plan are

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Speaker 2: Are you thinking, Okay, they look good without their sleeves

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Speaker 4: I gotta be honest, I don't know if it's a

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Speaker 3: For some players too, it's about body fat. It's not

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Speaker 3: Well, and then on Tuesday's OTAs, Nolan was out on

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Speaker 4: in a second. But he also said, look, look, it

437
00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:05,359
Speaker 4: doesn't if I sit here today and say the guy's

438
00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:07,080
Speaker 4: been doing good for a couple of days and then

439
00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:09,399
Speaker 4: the next day he takes a step back, which is

440
00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:13,560
Speaker 4: not unexpected because not all rehabs are not linear. Then, really,

441
00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:16,280
Speaker 4: what have I told you? So? I get it. It

442
00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:19,960
Speaker 4: was a very plausible and reasonable explanation. It's not going

443
00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:23,360
Speaker 4: to make people all that excited when we want an

444
00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:26,280
Speaker 4: injury update on something. But he did explain it.

445
00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:30,800
Speaker 2: So week one media availability of OTAs. I mean, maybe

446
00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:34,480
Speaker 2: this is me just envisioning this, but to me, Daris

447
00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:36,600
Speaker 2: Robinson looked quicker than everyone else out there in the

448
00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:39,199
Speaker 2: D line group. What did Walter Nolan the third look like?

449
00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:42,240
Speaker 2: I was not out there for that portion. Unfortunately Wolf

450
00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:44,080
Speaker 2: called in sick and I had to pull double duty,

451
00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:46,200
Speaker 2: so I was not out there. I did not see

452
00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:49,920
Speaker 2: Walter Nole in the third's debut in a cardinal's uniform

453
00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:51,800
Speaker 2: of any sort out on that field. I mean, what

454
00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,040
Speaker 2: did he look like in some of the D line drills?

455
00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,359
Speaker 3: You're looking across the table at me as if I

456
00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:59,760
Speaker 3: were not sitting next to you online radio during practice.

457
00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:04,080
Speaker 2: A lot of pressure here, Darren, A lot of pressure.

458
00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,239
Speaker 4: I mean, I thought he looked fine. I put up

459
00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:07,800
Speaker 4: one of the video. I put up a video of

460
00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,439
Speaker 4: one of his reps. Look I've been doing this a

461
00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:12,600
Speaker 4: long time. I'm not gonna sit here and say I

462
00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:16,600
Speaker 4: didn't think Darius Robinson looks quick and the man just

463
00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:19,800
Speaker 4: every time he and again where we stand, we tend

464
00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:21,760
Speaker 4: to be next to the defensive line more often than

465
00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:27,320
Speaker 4: anybody else, right, and you're not goings a large human being.

466
00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:30,240
Speaker 4: I can't imagine trying to like not get tackled by him.

467
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:35,720
Speaker 4: But I'm also of the reality that I've been doing

468
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,399
Speaker 4: this for so long that I just I I just

469
00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:41,440
Speaker 4: can't get all that into what's going on right now.

470
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:44,359
Speaker 4: I think they're learning some stuff in the classroom. I

471
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,919
Speaker 4: think they're they're getting some mental reps out there. The

472
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:51,360
Speaker 4: team stuff we can't even talk about. But the individual drills, oh, okay,

473
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,400
Speaker 4: you know you're you're you're doing a snap, you're you're

474
00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:59,480
Speaker 4: hitting a coach, you're running to air. I mean, I

475
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:01,560
Speaker 4: don't know. I know I should be more excited about it,

476
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:02,879
Speaker 4: but I'm just not. So.

477
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Speaker 2: One of my big questions this year, with the one

478
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:08,800
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty million plus invested in the defensive front,

479
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:09,639
Speaker 2: is can.

480
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Speaker 4: You did math?

481
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 2: Can you go? Can you go from fifteen guys who

482
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 2: have two sacks apiece to one guy who has fifteen sacks?

483
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 2: Can Josh Sweat be that guy? For example? Did anyone

484
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:31,960
Speaker 2: delve into some of what the revamped defensive front does

485
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:35,680
Speaker 2: for a Nick Rowlis defense and his ability seemingly theoretically

486
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,480
Speaker 2: to rush four more often than he has the first

487
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Speaker 2: two years. Did he get into any of that?

488
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Speaker 4: Of course he didn't.

489
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Speaker 3: No, I will say it feels too early for that,

490
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 3: just because when you're talking about a Josh Sweat, we

491
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:50,960
Speaker 3: haven't even seen sweat on the field. Now. He could

492
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,640
Speaker 3: have been out there practicing on any of the four

493
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:55,440
Speaker 3: days that the media was not out there in the

494
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,119
Speaker 3: last week, since media was only out there for two

495
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 3: mini campus mandatory Next, that's when you can really start

496
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,480
Speaker 3: getting a feel for, Okay, who is out here, right like,

497
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 3: who is healthy enough to be out here? At this point,

498
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 3: it's really training camp. I feel like you are able

499
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 3: to see enough to get a fair answer from a

500
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 3: coach or a coordinator, right Like, at this point, it's

501
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:17,919
Speaker 3: kind of like you're gonna ask me and say, yeah, we

502
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 3: don't really know. Like they've got ninety guys right there.

503
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:22,679
Speaker 3: So when you get closer to camp and you have

504
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 3: a better idea of what the team can truly look

505
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 3: like and you get a feel of seeing everybody out

506
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 3: on the field together going up against each other right

507
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,919
Speaker 3: offensive and defensive linemen going against each other more than

508
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,239
Speaker 3: they're able to right now. That's when you're gonna get

509
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 3: a better feel. I also wouldn't know that it'd be

510
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,199
Speaker 3: fair for Rowlis to answer that when we're talking about,

511
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 3: you know, the Russian coverage being a marriage in the sense,

512
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 3: and what are you using in your coverage right now?

513
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,360
Speaker 3: What is Will Johnson going to be able to give

514
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 3: you when he's had what ten practices as a rookie.

515
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,360
Speaker 3: So it just feels a little early. It is absolutely

516
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 3: a fair question. It is something that is absolutely on

517
00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 3: the table given the personnel changes. I just think it's

518
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 3: a little early to decide.

519
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,680
Speaker 4: The reality is Paul wants Nick Roulis to come out

520
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:05,680
Speaker 4: and say, you know what, with everything we've done, we

521
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 4: were not going to be playing a four to three

522
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 4: and I want everybody so look out. But he didn't

523
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 4: say that, and and again I think he's he's punting

524
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:18,160
Speaker 4: to like, we want to see who's gonna win these jobs.

525
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:22,200
Speaker 4: We want to see He did say there's more flexibility

526
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 4: and there is going to be more flexibility. But I

527
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 4: don't think there's a defensive coordinator and I haven't done

528
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:29,160
Speaker 4: all the deep dive, but I don't know if there's

529
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 4: a defensive coordinator that already hasn't maximized his flexibility at

530
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 4: every way shape or form was funny. At one point,

531
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Speaker 4: Zavian Collins was talking about how he's still and again

532
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,120
Speaker 4: another Danny question. Danny was on fire, by the way

533
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 4: in these press conferences. You know, we really could have

534
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 4: used you, Paul. I know you had other things to do,

535
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 4: but Paul or Danny was like kicking ass in terms

536
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 4: of asking questions and getting good answers regular season four.

537
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 3: But why do you sound so surprised?

538
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:58,120
Speaker 4: But at some point, at one point, you know, she's

539
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 4: talking to Zavin about being moved to and if he's

540
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 4: more comfortable and whatever role he has, and he just

541
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 4: he kind of laughed and he's like, it's I'm still

542
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,239
Speaker 4: all over the place. Like Nick Rolis is still going

543
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 4: to use Davian Collins all over the place, and I

544
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 4: still think he's going to do that with a handful

545
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:12,920
Speaker 4: of guys.

546
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,160
Speaker 3: The question was about the continuity of you know, Collins

547
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 3: has played well, Yes, he plays a lot of different

548
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 3: positions when he's here, but since he got here to Arizona,

549
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 3: he's been asked to do a lot of different things

550
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 3: under different coaching staffs. And so I was asking him

551
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 3: about the continuity of now that he's been here and

552
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 3: he knows he's going to be playing outside more and

553
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 3: what's kind of expected from him with moving around, how

554
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 3: he's been able to elevate his game in this offseason

555
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 3: more so than in year's past. And he laughed, He's like,

556
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,160
Speaker 3: I mean, they're still moving me all around, and I'm

557
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 3: still doing a whole bunch of things. It really is

558
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 3: Zavion Collins and Buddha Baker who are just being used

559
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 3: all over the field for defense. And I do recommend

560
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:53,200
Speaker 3: going and taking a listen on the Cardinals official YouTube

561
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,959
Speaker 3: channel and listening to the live stream because Collins, well,

562
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 3: he was he was really good today in his press conference.

563
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 3: But he had a really good answer when he was

564
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 3: talking about what he deems a successful season, because it's

565
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 3: the first time we've heard from him since twenty twenty

566
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 3: four season. Ended of he's not a type of pass

567
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,199
Speaker 3: rusher that's just going to go on bull rush and

568
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:12,679
Speaker 3: he's going to put up a bunch of stack numbers.

569
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:14,679
Speaker 3: That's not what's asked of him. And as a big player,

570
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 3: he's asked to drop back into coverage, which he did

571
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 3: have a funny story about playing in Miami and going

572
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 3: up against Tyreek Hill and that was funny for him

573
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 3: to describe. But just talking about what he considers a

574
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 3: successful season, and it's going back and watching plays. Okay,

575
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 3: if I was supposed to blitz here, was I successful?

576
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 3: And did I get back to the quarterback if it

577
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 3: was you know, fork down like, I don't care if

578
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 3: it was obvious passing like, I got to get back

579
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 3: there and I got to create pressure. And okay, if

580
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 3: I do to drop in a coverage, you know, he

581
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 3: said he's learned over the years that when you're dropping back,

582
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:46,159
Speaker 3: you actually don't want the ball to come your way

583
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 3: because that means you're doing a good job. So it's

584
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 3: things like that that he looks for for whether or

585
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 3: not he was successful on a play. But yeah, Colin

586
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 3: Collins was really good with the media on Tuesday.

587
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,239
Speaker 2: I mean, okay, we know the off season is all

588
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,959
Speaker 2: about lists and polls and all that. Give me your

589
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 2: top five most versatile defenders right now in the Arizona

590
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 2: Cardinals positional flexibility your top five. Savan Collins would be

591
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:10,920
Speaker 2: in the top five.

592
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, no particular order. Zavin's got to be one of them.

593
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 4: Boot has got to be one of them.

594
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 3: Wilson maybe Garrett Williams. We haven't really seen him outside,

595
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:22,120
Speaker 3: but possible.

596
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 2: Uh. I'm going to guess Jalen. I'm going to guess

597
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 2: Darius Robinson is going to be one of those. You

598
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 2: can put him over the nose, you can stick them

599
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 2: out of the five technique. I mean, he could be.

600
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:34,679
Speaker 4: And I think they like to move Jalen around too.

601
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 4: I think Jalen maybe more than Garrett.

602
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 2: That's my segue. So, as we reported last year, Week

603
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 2: eighteen said, you know what, Cardinals players are doing film

604
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 2: work and seeing their schemes being replicated by other teams,

605
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 2: And sure enough, Jalen Thompson on Arizona Sports, we had

606
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 2: him on and he verified that that, yes, the last month,

607
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 2: the last season, Cardinals are doing their film work, especially

608
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 2: him and Buddha, and they'd be like, wait a minute,

609
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 2: we're looking at the offensive team X and look at

610
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 2: their opponent in this game. That scheme is something we

611
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 2: innovated mid season and it's already been adopted by an opponent.

612
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 2: That's how quickly and how much respect that some of

613
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 2: these schemes that Rowlis and jg are coming up with

614
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 2: are resonating through the rest of the league, which to

615
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 2: me reinforces why the Cardinals went all in on defense

616
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 2: in the offseason. They have the defensive minds. Now you

617
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 2: need the defensive horses, You need the players to match

618
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 2: the scheme. You think you have the guys who can

619
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 2: definitely game plan it up, and now do you have

620
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 2: the guys who can execute that game plan? And to me,

621
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 2: that's a really intriguing marriage of talent and coaching and

622
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 2: what does that mean this year?

623
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 3: Put a lot of emphasis in offense the first year

624
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 3: and a half, and now it's been defense off season

625
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 3: since many awesome for it came and took charge. One

626
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 3: last funny note from Zavian Collins and his press conference, though, Paul,

627
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 3: since I know you were covering for Wolf and so

628
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 3: you weren't in there, someone was asking about the round

629
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 3: of golf that Zaven and Trey McBride were playing when

630
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:22,959
Speaker 3: McBride got the call about getting his contract extension, and

631
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 3: we actually learned that they were playing golf together twice

632
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 3: when McBride got a phone call. The first time was

633
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 3: when McBride got a phone call that they were furthering

634
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 3: the negotiation talks, and McBride had joked of, hey, I

635
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 3: should play golf with you more often. Well, then the

636
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 3: next time they were playing golf, the deal came through.

637
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 2: Wow, that's great.

638
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 3: So I guess Zavian's good luck.

639
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 2: See. If I was there, I would have asked Zavan, jeez,

640
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 2: our question, what classic car are you renovating and restoring

641
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 2: this offseason? Every off season he does another car project. So,

642
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:57,959
Speaker 2: as you guys know, I live vicariously through the player's

643
00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 2: car collections.

644
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 3: He did make sure that when introducing himself to all

645
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 3: the new guys in his position room that if anybody

646
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 3: had any interest in hunting or fishing or anything outdoors,

647
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 3: to come his way, and apparently Josh Wett is a

648
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 3: big fisher. Yah asked about the good the good spots.

649
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 2: You know, I need to go find Zavan. I have

650
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 2: to m see this event over the weekend. It's a

651
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 2: charity fundraiser and at the the attire is Western theme.

652
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 3: You need a bolo tie and.

653
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 2: Yours truly no belt buckle. No boots, no cowboy hat, nothing.

654
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 2: So I got to figure this out. No boyno thank you,

655
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 2: thank you. So and again the whole Jonathan Gannon in

656
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,719
Speaker 2: the hot seat was no bueno as well. I'm not

657
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 2: I'm not. I'm not buying that at all. Not winning behavior, Paul,

658
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 2: not winning behavior, not whatsoever. In fact, before we get

659
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 2: to it, let me just say this. There's a reason

660
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 2: the man earned an A grade on the NFLPA report card.

661
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 2: And and and people have asked me about Gannon, and

662
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 2: I've said, you know what, I think he does a

663
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 2: real good job in twenty twenty five with today's player

664
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 2: of being demanding without being demeaning. If that makes sense,

665
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 2: that's good.

666
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 4: No, it doesn't make sense. And so you know, I

667
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 4: need to learn that myself.

668
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 2: And here's the other thing. He and Diyllanham did this

669
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 2: as well. The to him stand on the field, they

670
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 2: both came in heavy. They came in heavy that first year.

671
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 2: He realized, I got a this is a big tanker

672
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 2: ship and we have to change the direction. So I'm

673
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 2: coming in and it's gonna be no nonsense from the start,

674
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 2: and you buy in or you get out. I'm looking

675
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 2: for winning behavior and that's our segue. Can you display

676
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 2: winning behavior? You have to consistently display winning behavior. That's

677
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 2: winning behavior.

678
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 3: You've got to define what winning behavior is and hold

679
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 3: people to that standard.

680
00:32:50,520 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 2: Yes, Terry Bradshaw, four rings and he's going after Aaron

681
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 2: Rodgers again. Huh, Terry Bradshaw.

682
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 4: This was, yeah, this was. It was last week I

683
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 4: think when say he was doing some radio show in

684
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 4: the South and somebody asked him if he thought the

685
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 4: Pittsburgh Steelers should sign Aaron Rodgers and he basically said no.

686
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 4: And he basically said the Steelers should go And I'm

687
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,959
Speaker 4: paraphrasing kind of, and he's like, they should just go

688
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 4: tell him to go away, and he should just go

689
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 4: back into his forest and chew bark somewhere something like that.

690
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 4: And I'm like, chew bark, that's a.

691
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 2: You know, as someone who shares the same alma mater

692
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 2: in the same area where I grew up. I take

693
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 2: a little umbradge with that. You know, not everyone, you

694
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 2: don't chew bark, not yet, not everyone.

695
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 3: You know, great insult to keep in your arsenal.

696
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, not everyone is a pathological tree hugger from I

697
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 2: don't think it has anything a cow.

698
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 3: Isn't there a chance that's where Craig Greeley was on vacation.

699
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 3: A well, no, in a cave right? Well know now

700
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 3: they're in California Native That's.

701
00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 2: My other connection is my first job was in Medford

702
00:33:59,920 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 2: or Gonna lived in National organ That's the sight of

703
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 2: the Darkness Retreat.

704
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 4: So the question is is like, are we talking about

705
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 4: this being winning behavior or not winning behavior? By Terry

706
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 4: Bradshaw Again.

707
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 3: Hey, winning behavior, say how you feel.

708
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 4: When you're in When you get to your seventies, it's

709
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 4: a lot easier just to tell the world what you're

710
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 4: thinking and not really giving a flying film all.

711
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 3: So Aaron Rodgers led me to a lot of non

712
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 3: winning behavior last season. We were trying to.

713
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 4: Predict catch me. Yes, when you're trying to.

714
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, to predict who is going to win?

715
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 4: Maybad over that, Danny, I need a chew bark. Well,

716
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 4: you don't necessarily have to chew bark.

717
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 2: But more quarterback news. Joe Flacco on a question that

718
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 2: I semi asked Jacoby Brissett earlier today.

719
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 4: Have you heard this Flacco answer?

720
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 2: Do you do you like being a QB mentor?

721
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 4: And I think you're blushing A little Paul. Now you

722
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 4: feel a little weird.

723
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 2: Right, You know I kind of went over too on

724
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 2: the two interviews earlier, the Zay Jones and then maybe

725
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 2: the Jacoby Brissett. You know, note to self be better. Uh,

726
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 2: certainly not winning behavior on my part. But yeah, Joe Flacco, Now,

727
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 2: isn't he overacting a little bit when somebody asked about

728
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 2: being a QB mentor? Is it really a no win situation?

729
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:13,839
Speaker 2: Is that a little extreme?

730
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 4: I don't think so. I think he's right, okay, because

731
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,879
Speaker 4: you heard how he explained it, right. He basically said this,

732
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 4: If I say I'm being a QB mentor, then what

733
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 4: am I doing here? I'm supposed to be fighting for

734
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 4: a job, and that makes it sound like I'm good

735
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 4: just sitting on the bench and teaching this guy. And

736
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 4: if I say I don't want to be a QB mentor,

737
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 4: if you all think I'm an ass, Okay, he probably

738
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 4: didn't say that, but I just did. And I mean

739
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 4: and and he said, look, I'm not here to be

740
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,280
Speaker 4: a mentor. I'm here to win a job. I'm gonna

741
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 4: while we're in the course of the job and we're

742
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 4: in the quarterback room, I with my experience. I'm probably

743
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 4: gonna talk about some stuff and bring up some stuff

744
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 4: that they could probably glean a lot from. But it's

745
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 4: not my job to make them listen, and it's not

746
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 4: my job to teach them. But the information will be

747
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 4: there if they want to absorb it. I'm paraphrase. That's

748
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 4: basically what he said.

749
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 3: Fair. That is part of being a mentor. That is

750
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 3: mentorship of I'm going to do what I need to

751
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 3: do to be prepared and be successful and trying to

752
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 3: spot on the team. And you can ask me questions,

753
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 3: you can watch and you can learn, but he has

754
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 3: his own job to do. And I think you can

755
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:19,399
Speaker 3: find a middle ground of that.

756
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 4: I think there's a happy medium between saying I'm going

757
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 4: to mentor this guy and I'm not going to be

758
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:25,879
Speaker 4: a jerk, And there's a.

759
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 3: Look, there's a difference of the player and where they

760
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 3: are in their career in this situation they're in right,

761
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 3: Like looking back for Colt McCoy coming here like he

762
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 3: wasn't they knew that the starting quarterback was going to

763
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,319
Speaker 3: be Kyler Murray. That is a whole different situation of

764
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 3: that is being a quarterback mentor. If you're not truly

765
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:45,439
Speaker 3: fighting for the starting role.

766
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 4: It reminds me a little bit of if you want

767
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 4: it to me, the perfect road to take if your

768
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 4: veteran quarterback is what Kurt Warner did. Kurt Warner tried

769
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 4: to teach Matt Lionert something. I don't think it stuck,

770
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 4: but he tried to teach Matt Lioner some things about

771
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 4: how to be a quarterback, how to read, watch film,

772
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 4: how to prepare. However, Kurt Warner was telling everybody that

773
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 4: would listen, not off the record, on the record in

774
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 4: interviews that I'm the better quarterback and if it's a

775
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 4: fair fight, I'm going to win this job, which in

776
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 4: the end he did, but he was still trying to

777
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 4: help Matt Lioner. He just believed in himself.

778
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:29,839
Speaker 2: More so, in my attempt to get ready for a

779
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 2: failed Jacoby Brissett interview, all my fault. I went and

780
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 2: found the Drew Stan comment from back in March. We

781
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 2: had him in the Big Red Rage the same week

782
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 2: the Cardinals had signed Jacoby Brissett. So Drew Stan more

783
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 2: than a decade in the league is called QB two,

784
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 2: made a handsome living doing it, and he said at

785
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 2: the time that he sent the Cardinals' front office a

786
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 2: text with congratulations and called it an a plus hire

787
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 2: Jacoby Brissett. He said, to me, that shows a real

788
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 2: commitment to that room because it isn't just about one guy.

789
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 2: And then we asked him, well, why do you call

790
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,359
Speaker 2: it an a plus Jacoby Brissett, He goes, because it's

791
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 2: beyond the skill set. It's what that role is, the

792
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,879
Speaker 2: backup quarterback needs to be. You have to You want

793
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 2: a guy with starter experience who can play, but he's

794
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 2: also unselfish enough that he's willing to do all the

795
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 2: work behind the scenes. He said, My job I took

796
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 2: very seriously. I knew I was the backup, but my

797
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,760
Speaker 2: plan was to do anything and every thing I could

798
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 2: to get Carson Palmer ready to play. He said. It's

799
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 2: a very different mindset to be the backup. You don't

800
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 2: get the luxury, all the reps, he said, all your

801
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 2: gratification comes and seeing the offense excelling. Yes, and so

802
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 2: you have to buy in as QB two in that regard.

803
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,879
Speaker 4: Well and again winning behavioring And back to Danny's point,

804
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 4: which is the difference is Drew was coming in as

805
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 4: a backup. Jacoby's coming in as a backup in Joe

806
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 4: Flacco's case, he legit still has a chance to start.

807
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 4: So I understand, and if you got to sync back

808
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 4: into that once you you're just.

809
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 3: Look at me. I just I'm biting my tongue on that.

810
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, you don't think he's gonna start, I'm.

811
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 3: Not a shore Sanders has to say, Dylan Gabriel.

812
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 4: I'm just saying anyway, not us. Everybody said Joe Flacker

813
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 4: wasn't gonna start two years ago in Cleveland or whenever

814
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 4: it was, and he did, and he won a lot

815
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 4: of games.

816
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 2: But are we dismissing this sort of impact Jacoby Brissette

817
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 2: can have on Kyler and this offense this year. Drew

818
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 2: also went on to say, look at Brissett in his

819
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 2: decade in the league, how many different systems he's played

820
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 2: in he started fifty or sixty games. He has a

821
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 2: lot of experience, he really knows, Drew petsing, Well, Kyler

822
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 2: didn't have that last year in a young and inexperienced

823
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 2: Clayton Tune. I just wonder, can Jacoby Brissett be more

824
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:52,760
Speaker 2: of an asset than we realize? Not necessarily with Kyler

825
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 2: and they have two different skill sets, but just with

826
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 2: the offense in general, because remember how instrumental Kurt Warner

827
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,320
Speaker 2: was as the pseudo offensive coordinator.

828
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 4: I'm going to say this to that he could, but

829
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 4: there's still the percentage is so heavily eighty to ninety

830
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:16,959
Speaker 4: percent on how Kyler plays on the field. The rest

831
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 4: of it is good. It can't hurt. It might help

832
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 4: a little, but it doesn't matter if Kyler doesn't play

833
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 4: the way you're hoping.

834
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 2: Because it is remarkable when you talk to Drew Stand

835
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 2: to this day, if you name a defensive coordinator, he'll

836
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 2: tell you everything about that guy's playbook, his style, his tendencies.

837
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 2: We asked him about Will Johnson, and the first thing

838
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 2: he said was, oh, yeah, wank Martindale's system. Very complex,

839
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 2: very elite in terms you'd better be a thinking man's cornerback.

840
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 2: And he was very complimentary Will Johnson being able to

841
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 2: master that system and excel in it, which kind of

842
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 2: segues me into Will Johnson and what Nick Rawlis had

843
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 2: to say about Will Johnson if I'm seeing the quotes correctly.

844
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 2: When asked what's stood out, he said work ethic one,

845
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 2: talent to intelligence three, and then namamed Denzel Burke as

846
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,760
Speaker 2: both being serious serious pros end quote.

847
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 4: Interesting, well that's who there isn't that who they're going

848
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 4: to draft anyway. I mean again, sometimes with some of

849
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 4: these guys they're drafting, I'm like they've worked very hard

850
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 4: to find a certain type of player, and so that

851
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 4: does not surprise me in the least. We'll see if

852
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 4: they can play.

853
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 2: Very dismissive Darren Urban today dismissive.

854
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:29,320
Speaker 4: I'm just it's it's June.

855
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 2: I'm trying to advance some theories and get some traction

856
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 2: and some buying, and you know, Darren's in.

857
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 4: That's winning behavior, Paul. I'm going to give you winning

858
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 4: behavior for that.

859
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 2: I mean, it's you know, I'm more like Bart Scott

860
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 2: can't wait and then Darren's over here. You know, No,

861
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 2: you will sit in the waiting room until we get

862
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 2: to camp and get some more answers.

863
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 3: And what am I doing?

864
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 2: I don't know, Danny. You know it's a good question,

865
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 2: which which side are you on? What are you doing?

866
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 4: Dan? Are you?

867
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 3: You know what I actually have been doing the last

868
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 3: couple of days, which is very new for me, is

869
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 3: I have discovered the joy of scrolling through Facebook Marketplace yes, okay,

870
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 3: And I got to.

871
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 4: Tell you we're on the fence whether this is winning

872
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 4: behavior or not.

873
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 3: Yes. I was looking through the other day and in one.

874
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 2: In search of what are what you're looking for? So

875
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 2: I was just looking.

876
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 3: I was just looking. I was just saying, you know,

877
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 3: people always talk about I found on Facebook work place, okay,

878
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 3: And I've only tried to sell one thing and I

879
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 3: had a really bad experience. The person didn't show up,

880
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:28,760
Speaker 3: So I haven't really used Facebook. Maarkplace.

881
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 2: That's what I'm scrolling.

882
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 3: And in one scroll I see a BBL recovery mattress.

883
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 3: I see a warn hot dog shirt being sold for

884
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 3: two dollars, and I saw somebody selling a pizza restaurant,

885
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 3: and I'm thinking this is incredible range. So then I

886
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 3: started scrolling a little more. Somebody was holding in their

887
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 3: hand fresh locks they had just cut off their heads,

888
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 3: still had the ponytail around it, and Chandler being sold

889
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 3: for eight hundred and fifty dollars. And then today I

890
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,760
Speaker 3: was scrolling in between the press conferences we were waiting

891
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 3: for the next person who and I ended up seeing

892
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,479
Speaker 3: like a golf a golf game, like an arcade game.

893
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 3: And then I clicked on it to show Darren and

894
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:10,760
Speaker 3: the next thing, you know, my algorithm is pac Man

895
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 3: and pinball and all these games now on Facebook marketplace

896
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,839
Speaker 3: it is. It is an incredible place to waste time

897
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 3: in gin stroll.

898
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:21,879
Speaker 4: She did find some golf carts, some upper level golf

899
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 4: carts that she wants to get for training camp.

900
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, right right around the widbit, We're gonna.

901
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:29,280
Speaker 4: Go ahead and take a collection. I don't know what's

902
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:30,439
Speaker 4: got to be fifty bucks each.

903
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 3: So that is winning behavior. If you can find you

904
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:34,399
Speaker 3: can find anything on there.

905
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 2: You can't bury it in an expense report, you know,

906
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 2: these golf carts, you can't. You just sort of, you know,

907
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 2: disguise it in there.

908
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 3: We could take it from one building to the next.

909
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, all right, well interesting trying to figure out

910
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 2: if the last item here on winning behavior is we'll

911
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 2: hold that till next Okay, all right, just thought i'd

912
00:43:56,280 --> 00:44:01,240
Speaker 2: throw that. Yeah, okay, is a really still a Madden curse?

913
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 2: Is there?

914
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: Really?

915
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,439
Speaker 3: Wasn't that the year Christian McCaffrey was on the cover

916
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 3: of Madden when he got hurt?

917
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 2: Was that the same year you have to narrow down

918
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 2: which injury with Christian McCaffery.

919
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,839
Speaker 4: I'm last year. I'm getting ahead box from from both

920
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 4: Cody and Jackson, so.

921
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 3: Good luck to Saquon Barkley.

922
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:21,399
Speaker 2: It's a heck of a cover, though. Has there been

923
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:22,439
Speaker 2: a better cover than that?

924
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 4: No?

925
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 2: Probably, I mean that, I mean that that's really.

926
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:29,399
Speaker 4: Well where he's doing the backwards, the backwards hurdle. Trey

927
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 4: McBride would never I would say that.

928
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 2: That's the question. Somebody asked, what's next this year?

929
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 3: The backward hurdle made it pretty clear he wants to stop.

930
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 3: I don't think it might have been in a who knows,

931
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:43,240
Speaker 3: maybe that's in his contract.

932
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 4: Here's my bigger question other than the Madden hurdle with Saquon.

933
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,479
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I'm being shown by Jackson that they cover

934
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 4: boy on n B A two K was Jason Tatum,

935
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 4: So you don't want to be a cover guy Anyways,

936
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 4: Larry Fitzgerald did not get hurt when he was on

937
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 4: the cover with Troy I will I've got to ask

938
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 4: this question with Saquon Barkley more so than the Madden curse.

939
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:13,840
Speaker 4: They there's been a number of guys who have had

940
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,760
Speaker 4: I think the number is three hundred and forty carries

941
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 4: in a season, and I think if you add in

942
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 4: the playoffs Saquon Barkley had maybe it was touches, I

943
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:23,280
Speaker 4: don't know, we had it was over four hundred.

944
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 2: Wow.

945
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 4: And the the statistics for those guys the following year

946
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 4: drops precipitously, And it'll be interesting to see what happens

947
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 4: with Saquon Barkley this year. I mean, even the guys

948
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 4: if you forget about the carries and you just do

949
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 4: guys who gained two thousand yards usually, I think the

950
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,439
Speaker 4: highest number of a two thousand yard gainer has ever

951
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 4: gotten the following year is like fourteen hundred, which is

952
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 4: not a bad season at all, but that's still a

953
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 4: serious drop.

954
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 2: Well, and then you factor in Saquon Barkley's been wearing

955
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 2: himself out just trying to solicit more props and plot.

956
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 2: It's calling the Eagles a top five team of all

957
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,800
Speaker 2: time in the offseason. I mean, as if the Eagles

958
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:04,760
Speaker 2: needed help being the most despised team in the league.

959
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 2: The Eagles are replacing the Cowboys at a rapid rate

960
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,399
Speaker 2: at this point. That's wrong on that one.

961
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:11,360
Speaker 4: A strong statement.

962
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 2: By the way, Can I take umbrage with something Darren

963
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 2: over here.

964
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 3: Is take umbrage over everything.

965
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 2: Darren tell me be Paully pumped the brakes on, you know,

966
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 2: fourteen different topics. But then he includes, are we going

967
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 2: to break down the roster and keep an extra corner

968
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 2: or d lineman? I mean, I mean, to be fair,

969
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 2: you're already deciding the final fifty three.

970
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 4: I included that before I knew we were going to

971
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 4: have some good stuff at the press conference today. When

972
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 4: you're trying to prep this rundown, like five days in advance,

973
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 4: there wasn't a whole lot going on. We can hold

974
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 4: off the roster. I have no problem.

975
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 2: I'll entertain it. What are you anticipating? At this point,

976
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,240
Speaker 2: we're not holding you to it, But in early June,

977
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 2: what are what are you anticipating in terms of roster construction.

978
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 4: The reason we're talking about it is like, and I

979
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 4: think we've talked about it before, are they going to

980
00:46:57,600 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 4: keep seven defensive linemen?

981
00:46:59,719 --> 00:46:59,919
Speaker 2: Yeah?

982
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 3: Us, how many cornerbacks did they keep last year?

983
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 4: They might keep eight defensive lineman.

984
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:09,280
Speaker 3: Yes, because they had last year.

985
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 4: From where are you taking from?

986
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 2: If you the versatility I'm seeing right now in the

987
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 2: defensive backfield, players who can all play safety and or

988
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 2: slot corner.

989
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:20,759
Speaker 4: So you're you're gonna make some of.

990
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 2: The hoods up there. I think you're gonna carry one

991
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 2: one few were running back this year. And I also

992
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 2: think the other reason you didn't add to the receiver

993
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:32,800
Speaker 2: room you might take a receiver out of that way.

994
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 4: So, just for instance, how many safeties do you think

995
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 4: they keep?

996
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:37,359
Speaker 2: And how many old linemen did you keep last year?

997
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 2: How many safety did they keep? It's gonna be four tops,

998
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 2: It'll be maybe could you get away with three?

999
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 4: No? No, because they're gonna keep one for special teams.

1000
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 4: Joy Blunt is gonna be on this team for special teams. True,

1001
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:53,360
Speaker 4: and you're gonna have Rabbit, and you're gonna have Jalen

1002
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 4: and you're gonna have Buddha. Okay, so you're you're not

1003
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 4: getting less than four safeties.

1004
00:47:57,760 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 2: I'm already at a detriment here because Darren has gone

1005
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 2: through this roster with a fine tooth comb, and I

1006
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 2: realized I'm swimming here.

1007
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 3: Maybe we look at the numbers and we prepare it

1008
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 3: for next week.

1009
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 4: We got to come up with something for next week.

1010
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 4: At some point, we might actually have to get some

1011
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,360
Speaker 4: stuff in the cam because when we all take vacation that.

1012
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 2: What do you mean we have to come up with

1013
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 2: something that isn't next week mandatory mini camp or am

1014
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:16,879
Speaker 2: my week.

1015
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 4: Oh that's true. That's a good point. Well then we

1016
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 4: can save that for later. That's right. That'll be the

1017
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:22,720
Speaker 4: one going into the off season.

1018
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 3: We need extra time to prepare our math, that's.

1019
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 2: Right, right, especially when our mantra is no mass, so

1020
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 2: it gets kind of difficult.

1021
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:33,839
Speaker 3: So I know that you couldn't do it physically, but spiritually.

1022
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,280
Speaker 3: Who would have gotten the most lamp lights today?

1023
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 2: Interesting? That's right?

1024
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 3: That is I got a few compliments.

1025
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, Danny did You're right? You know, I don't know.

1026
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 2: Darren was more in attacking mode than you know. Really

1027
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 2: he was a little more caustic than it's cerbic maybe

1028
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 2: perhaps today, you know, it's just it's usually you know,

1029
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 2: a fine line between the two.

1030
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is what happens when you get an older

1031
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 4: brother younger sister dynamic.

1032
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:08,839
Speaker 3: No, I'm not ready to move past that, Paul. No,

1033
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:14,919
Speaker 3: I'm offended. Somebody has actually said that in full seriousness,

1034
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:19,799
Speaker 3: which I semi appreciate because it was a comment on life.

1035
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 4: I fully appreciate.

1036
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 2: Notice how Darren didn't have state to bring it up.

1037
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 3: It was a comment on one of our recent episodes

1038
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 3: that was uploaded, and this fine individual who clearly listens,

1039
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 3: which I am very appreciative of, so thank you. I

1040
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 3: do not want to deter you with saying that we

1041
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 3: have we've changed things up a little bit over the

1042
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 3: last couple of years to get settled into where we

1043
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 3: are now, and that Paul does a good job leading

1044
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 3: the ship, and that Danny and Darren have a quote

1045
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 3: older brother younger sister vibe that gets very funny from

1046
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 3: time to time. And I do take slight offense to

1047
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 3: that because Darren and I are not in the same

1048
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 3: age bracket, we are not in the same dinner graphic.

1049
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:02,839
Speaker 3: The only way we could be siblings is in one

1050
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 3: of those situations where the parents get divorced and one

1051
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 3: of them gets remarried and has another kid, like twenty

1052
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 3: two years later. That's what this would be. One of

1053
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 3: those mere family dynamics.

1054
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 4: Can you hear that? Like President John Tyler whatever his

1055
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:16,919
Speaker 4: name is, still had a grandson that just passed away

1056
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 4: the other day. The dude was Presidents.

1057
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 3: I appreciate that you listen. I appreciate that you like

1058
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 3: our dynamic, but we got to figure out something other

1059
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 3: than older brother younger Ol.

1060
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 4: Why you're such a hater, Danny. This hurts me to

1061
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:29,839
Speaker 4: the core.

1062
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, it hurts me too. You've been waiting to bring

1063
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 3: that up for a couple of weeks.

1064
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:38,280
Speaker 4: Now I just it just flashed.

1065
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 2: I want to say, well, it has been a week.

1066
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:44,799
Speaker 2: Not only that stat but the last time it rained

1067
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 2: on June first was nineteen fourteen. I mean, what is

1068
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 2: going on? So who knows what's going to happen between

1069
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:55,160
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1070
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