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Speaker 2: Katie, I just set myself up for fucking failure to
Speaker 2: why why.
Speaker 1: Do you have a million things going on?
Speaker 2: No, I'm just trying to like wear a beanie with headphones.
Speaker 2: We've done this before, hear mo.
Speaker 1: Remember I've done it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're like, yo, your ears are gonna get
Speaker 2: so funky and your head gets so sweaty.
Speaker 1: It's gonna get hot. But it's good that it's freezing outside.
Speaker 3: So that's my hair is disgusting. Can I show you?
Speaker 3: I don't think I had this on scan, but I
Speaker 3: need to show you.
Speaker 1: That's awful. Put your hat back on.
Speaker 2: You see this read that's a whole gray, a whole
Speaker 2: gray streak.
Speaker 1: Lean into that ship, lean into it.
Speaker 3: That is just fucking old age right there.
Speaker 1: That sucks when women you get a little bit of
Speaker 1: great and you have to keep dying the roots right
Speaker 1: and it grows out, and like how how quick does
Speaker 1: that grow out? Like in two weeks?
Speaker 3: That's so fast.
Speaker 2: And also like if you're blonde, it sort of like
Speaker 2: hides better. But if you're yeah, gray, you right now.
Speaker 1: But I'm not. I'm gray on my beard like here,
Speaker 1: but on my head, I'm not gray at all, which
Speaker 1: is weird. Yeah, like just here I'm gray. That's it.
Speaker 2: The guy's hair on Scandal was such a thing, like
Speaker 2: you guys are such fucks, Like I can't deal.
Speaker 3: You had your guy? Did they pay for that?
Speaker 1: No? Well I had my I would have to go
Speaker 1: and get my own aircut because they didn't know how
Speaker 1: to fade on set, remember, and that was a whole deal.
Speaker 1: And they they weren't allowed to bring a barber on
Speaker 1: set because there's hardly any barbers that are in the Union.
Speaker 1: So it's all these you know, older people and younger
Speaker 1: people too, but fading is a whole like specific skill.
Speaker 3: Enough art person too, because he brought he brought.
Speaker 1: His person, but that person was in the Union and
Speaker 1: they're few and far between. But Columbus snagged one and
Speaker 1: it was like a friend of his, I think, So
Speaker 1: that's why he was able to bring one on set.
Speaker 1: But you know, they wouldn't, they wouldn't. They wouldn't bring
Speaker 1: one in for me. So I would have to go
Speaker 1: outside every three days and get my hair, my own
Speaker 1: air go every three.
Speaker 2: Days days, ten months of the year for the seven seasons.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or they would come to set, but they weren't
Speaker 1: allowed to cut in the hair makeup trailer. Once in
Speaker 1: a while he would come and cut me in my trailer,
Speaker 1: right because you know, legally they weren't allowed to be
Speaker 1: in the makeup trailer. Yeah. Good, that was some crazy shit.
Speaker 3: That is so And it was that you used the
Speaker 3: same guy all seven years, or did you?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's two brothers. I still use them. They still
Speaker 1: cut my hair.
Speaker 3: My question to you is, during the pandemic, what did you.
Speaker 1: Do Mikey cut my hair? Mikey would fade it and
Speaker 1: it was it was it was awful, But I didn't
Speaker 1: care because it was just me and him at home
Speaker 1: and I just wanted the feeling of a fresh haircut.
Speaker 3: And did he And when you do a fade, is
Speaker 3: it's the buzzer.
Speaker 1: It's the buzzer. Yeah, you just go to the skin
Speaker 1: and you go up. You know. Oh, but Mikey would
Speaker 1: do it during the pandemic. Yeah, he would do it.
Speaker 1: Did you hear his No, No, he didn't care. He
Speaker 1: was just like, I don't give man. Yeah, he just
Speaker 1: let that shit grow out.
Speaker 2: Has there ever been a period in your life where
Speaker 2: you have had a long hair.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah when when I was when I
Speaker 1: was young, when I did Half Baked, I had long hair.
Speaker 3: When I did Party it was like to your cheeks.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but never Yeah, I've not shoulder length or
Speaker 1: like no, like two hundred cigarettes. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you've ever in that movie I have, I have sort
Speaker 1: of it goes down to like it's like long long,
Speaker 1: like would you ever do that in one length? Only?
Speaker 1: If I had to for a role. But I really
Speaker 1: don't like it. It's too much fucking work, right, It's
Speaker 1: so much, and then it goes through that ugly phase,
Speaker 1: like you know, it looks cute when it's short, and
Speaker 1: then it goes to that nasty why anything, and you've
Speaker 1: got to go through life in that ugly phase. I
Speaker 1: don't like that.
Speaker 3: Life's too short, too short to be ugly all the time.
Speaker 1: And I'm too short to be ugly.
Speaker 4: Germo, you are shorter, and I love that about am
Speaker 4: I two?
Speaker 1: I love being short? Yeah?
Speaker 3: What do you love about it?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I just like it's you're always I are you? What
Speaker 3: are you?
Speaker 1: I'm five to seven okay, yeah, maybe five six, but
Speaker 1: I think I'm five to seven.
Speaker 2: Guys, this episode is in where it ends.
Speaker 3: I think I say that every time.
Speaker 1: This is ten guest stars. Do you want to do
Speaker 1: the first five and I'll do the last five?
Speaker 2: Yes, we are talking about episode two seven, called Defiance.
Speaker 2: It aired on November twenty ninth, twenty twelve. It was
Speaker 2: written by Peter Noah.
Speaker 1: And directed by Tom Verica.
Speaker 3: What we Gotta Have Him on? I Love Tom Okay.
Speaker 2: Guest stars of the episode where Brian Lesher is Tom
Speaker 2: Rieso Rios as reported number three, Erica Schaefer is news anchor,
Speaker 2: William Stone Mahoney is Defiance voting.
Speaker 3: Clerk, Chelsea Ross's Harold Pierce.
Speaker 1: Jason London is Skip Pierce, Kate lang Johnson is Jenna
Speaker 1: new Hall, Patty McCormack as and Pierce. If you know
Speaker 1: you know Patty McCormack, y'all, we're going to talk about her.
Speaker 1: Grainger Hines as Senator Schuman, Susan Merson as Judge Thompson.
Speaker 3: And this is what happened to the episode.
Speaker 2: It's guys, this ending of banana, This banana's in the
Speaker 2: ending of this episode is the craziest shit I've ever seen.
Speaker 3: It was so good. Okay.
Speaker 2: Harrison leads the team in managing a billionaire businessman who
Speaker 2: seems to have lost his sanity, while Olivia is helping
Speaker 2: Senator Edison Davis phil the Senate Majority leader seat after
Speaker 2: she just helped the former Senate Majority Leader, Senator Schumann
Speaker 2: publicly resign.
Speaker 1: That's a lot of senators. Meanwhile, the White House celebrates
Speaker 1: the President's fiftieth birthday and James continues to investigate Cytron
Speaker 1: and discovers something that could change the fate of the country.
Speaker 3: Dun dundong, y'all.
Speaker 2: Wait, I don't know. Wait, let's get into this right now.
Speaker 2: Who the fuck is Patty.
Speaker 1: McCormack, Katie Katie Cake?
Speaker 3: Help me.
Speaker 2: I don't know about movies. I don't know about television.
Speaker 2: Someone take away my fucking seat.
Speaker 1: Let me go to my not Ooh, y'all, y'all, Patty
Speaker 1: McCormack is that wait? I was on set. I remember
Speaker 1: the rumblings from the crew and I think from Tom
Speaker 1: Verica as well, saying pat seed bat seed. Patty McCormack
Speaker 1: is the little girl in the movie from the ninth
Speaker 1: Team six from the fifties. I think it's nineteen fifty
Speaker 1: to fifty six called the bad Seed. She played the
Speaker 1: bad Seed. She was that little girl with the long
Speaker 1: braided pigtails, and she was like the little devil who
Speaker 1: was like, I didn't kill her. I'm a good girl.
Speaker 1: She is the fucking bad seed.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, how old was she when she did that?
Speaker 1: She I want to say she was like seven or eight,
Speaker 1: but she was like the lead like and she was
Speaker 1: mesmerizing and frightening, and she was so so good and
Speaker 1: so dramatic. She would cry, I didn't kill her because
Speaker 1: her friend like gets murdered or dies, and you know,
Speaker 1: people think that it was her that killed her, and
Speaker 1: it was and uh.
Speaker 3: She nominated for like awards for this.
Speaker 1: I don't know, that's a good question. I should have
Speaker 1: fucked it.
Speaker 2: More like the movie that was just like culturally huge,
Speaker 2: like everyone's I think.
Speaker 1: That's what it was. Yeah, And then she was also
Speaker 1: in the film from the nineteen sixties, The Adventures of
Speaker 1: Huckleberry Finn, the fucking movie The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn. Yes, look,
Speaker 1: she was like the lead woman in it.
Speaker 2: Y'all know, you all gave us the gladiators out there,
Speaker 2: gave us our ship name Huckleberry Quinn.
Speaker 3: Yes, y wow, well I thought she was out. I mean,
Speaker 3: all of our guest stars are, but she was so
Speaker 3: good in this episode. And I love Jason London.
Speaker 1: Oh, Jason remember all.
Speaker 3: Of the I mean, isn't he a brother of Jeremy London.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Jeremy London is his brother? Yeah? Tell me, yeah,
Speaker 1: Jason London. I mean, listen Jason London. First, y'all know
Speaker 1: I love horror movies. He was in Carrie to the Rage.
Speaker 1: He played Jesse Ryan, one of the guys that like
Speaker 1: fucks around with Harry and then he's a dick. And
Speaker 1: he was also in two Wong Food Thanks for everything,
Speaker 1: Julie Newmark. He's Bobby Ray. Bobby Ray. Bobby do declare
Speaker 1: Bobby Ray. Yes, he's Bobby Ray. Do declare. He was
Speaker 1: gazed and confused. He was in a fucking Aerosmith video
Speaker 1: called Amazing, which.
Speaker 3: Is and he was the lead of that Aerosmith video
Speaker 3: that was so iconic.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, oh.
Speaker 3: My god, I remember that.
Speaker 2: And Jeremy London and Jason London are both actors.
Speaker 1: No, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: Are they twins?
Speaker 1: They are identical twins. As far as far as I
Speaker 1: know they're identical twins because I can't tell. I looked
Speaker 1: them up on the Internet and I can't tell them
Speaker 1: apart at all. But one last adjacent London credit was
Speaker 1: Wasabi Tuna, which is a movie. It's the movie that
Speaker 1: brought me out to LA A movie called Wasabi Tuna
Speaker 1: with Anna, Nicole Smith, Alana Uba, Leslie Jordan, all these
Speaker 1: all these people. But the movie was the biggest piece
Speaker 1: of crap in the world. Oh, Katie and Lee Friedlander
Speaker 1: directed with That's that's why I know Lea.
Speaker 3: Are you?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 3: You were you in the movies? Is that why you
Speaker 3: came out to l A.
Speaker 1: I was in the movie. I got the It's one
Speaker 1: of the first movies. I just got a straight up
Speaker 1: offer and they flew me out to La to to
Speaker 1: film with Sabby Tuna. And then after the film, I
Speaker 1: stayed and I auditioned for Weeds, and then I booked Weeds,
Speaker 1: and then I just kept staying and that's what kept
Speaker 1: me in La. But with Sabby Tuna brought me out
Speaker 1: here and like I said, Annachole Smith was in it.
Speaker 2: Well, they're amazing in this whole episode and it's such
Speaker 2: a lovely I mean, it's such a great episode because
Speaker 2: we started it really is that Edison Davis, Senator Pudding Pop.
Speaker 1: In a relationship.
Speaker 2: They're like buzzing around Olivia Pope's apartment, getting dressed and
Speaker 2: like talking as if they would, but she's not letting
Speaker 2: on at all that she's ever had. He's like, here's
Speaker 2: all the chicks I dated since we've been since we've
Speaker 2: been together, and she's like, I'm not saying anything, but
Speaker 2: the only thing I am going to tell you is
Speaker 2: that when the Senator majority leader gets into some big
Speaker 2: trouble and there's a problem publicly today, you do a
Speaker 2: vote of support publicly and we are going to sort
Speaker 2: this out. And it's such a key into their relationship
Speaker 2: and it's a great scene and they're so cute.
Speaker 1: They're so cute. They're so cute.
Speaker 3: Whole time. Was like, I don't think he looks like Coxtable.
Speaker 1: I think he does, y'all. Just to give you a
Speaker 1: quick like a recap in the in the last podcast,
Speaker 1: if y'all listen, we talked about we were talking about
Speaker 1: some maybe it was too Yeah, you're right, it was.
Speaker 1: It was two of five where we talked about it.
Speaker 1: But someone tweeted saying calling him Senator Putney pop right
Speaker 1: because he resembles Bill Cosby, so that's why we call
Speaker 1: them senator ya. My notes for that first scene, it
Speaker 1: was a lovely scene, but I said, oive, this that
Speaker 1: is in character is still around. Scram beat it well
Speaker 1: that those were gone as soon.
Speaker 3: If I remember correctly.
Speaker 1: I think he is. Yeah, he's, I mean again, he's
Speaker 1: he's he's so good. He the actor is what.
Speaker 4: The fuck I keep forgetting his fine Lewis God's tired.
Speaker 1: We are tired, and I love normals.
Speaker 2: We will be back with more after the break. I
Speaker 2: thought they did such a great job. David Rosen and
Speaker 2: James meet on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial to
Speaker 2: exchange information about Defiance, and the whole time I'm looking
Speaker 2: at it, I'm like, motherfucker, this fucking Lincoln Memorial looks
Speaker 2: so fucking good.
Speaker 1: I thought the same thing, and I wrote that shit
Speaker 1: in my notes. I said, our green screen team are
Speaker 1: they're like the best, like not once, because there's some movies,
Speaker 1: even in Titanic, I could be like, oh, that's a
Speaker 1: green screen, you know what I mean? And certain.
Speaker 2: Obviously Seal had a big budget, which I think I
Speaker 2: think our budget was like two million in episode. To
Speaker 2: be honest, I think it was too Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure it should which goes pretty quickly when
Speaker 2: you're making a huge show like Scandal. We have a
Speaker 2: lot of characters, we have a lot of costumes, we
Speaker 2: have a lot of locations, we have a lot a lot,
Speaker 2: a lot of things going on. But I don't think
Speaker 2: Scandal was like at Titanic level by any means. And
Speaker 2: I think our ship looked fucking dope. Our green screens
Speaker 2: so good, that Lincoln Memorial looks so good. And then
Speaker 2: it goes in so we get the case of the week,
Speaker 2: which is this rich ass dude, Harold Pierce, played by uh,
Speaker 2: his name is Chelsea Ross.
Speaker 3: That's so interesting.
Speaker 1: Chelsea's Chelsea spelled c h E L c I E.
Speaker 3: You're welcome.
Speaker 2: He's this rich dude who seems to be having this
Speaker 2: total life crisis where he's divorced his old bag of
Speaker 2: a wife and he's fucking this blonde ass play way
Speaker 2: bunny and he lives in this mansion and he's driving
Speaker 2: a motorcycle inside and he's naked and he's in his pajab.
Speaker 2: He's like he just seems to have lost his mind
Speaker 2: and he's not going to pass on the business to
Speaker 2: his son. There's all this shit. Yeah, and the best
Speaker 2: scene is Harrison. Harrison is running lead on this because
Speaker 2: Olivia is stuck at the White House dealing with this
Speaker 2: senator who publicly messed up and whatever, and she's like, Harrison,
Speaker 2: you got this, you can run lead on this. And Harrison,
Speaker 2: we're all looking to him, like all of us misfits.
Speaker 2: And he's like, let's hop to I'm lead on this.
Speaker 2: And we make fun of him and he says, fine,
Speaker 2: team instead of like let's go people, we're giving him
Speaker 2: a hard time.
Speaker 1: It's so key, yeah, yeah, and Olivia is like, you
Speaker 1: got this, you can handle this, you can handle in coming.
Speaker 1: And he's so great. He's so great in this episode. Also,
Speaker 1: Chelsea Ross real quick. Chelsea Ross was in a horror
Speaker 1: film called Drag Me to Hell, which is an amazing
Speaker 1: horror film. He was also, yeah, it's so good.
Speaker 3: What are bad horror films?
Speaker 1: There's some, there's there's some, there's some bad ones. There's Bear.
Speaker 1: Bear was pretty bad. No, Bear was fun to watch.
Speaker 1: He was also he was also in Basic Instinct. We
Speaker 1: all know Basic instinct. Yeah, and he was in the
Speaker 1: movie Rudy. I don't know if you guys have seen Rudy.
Speaker 1: I love Rudy so much.
Speaker 3: What did you play Rudy?
Speaker 1: Yeah, he played a guy named Dan Devine. I lied, Actually,
Speaker 1: I just lied on the podcast Katie. I've never seen Rudy.
Speaker 1: I just feel like everybody really loves that movie, and
Speaker 1: every time I talk about it or people mention it,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I love that movie and I've never fucking
Speaker 1: seen it. I'm so sorry, you guys. I literally just
Speaker 1: straight up lied on the podcast.
Speaker 3: You want so many movies. You want so many movies.
Speaker 3: You watched so many.
Speaker 4: Movies twice, You've watched I Love Lucy probably one million times,
Speaker 4: you know, every single and you can't find time to
Speaker 4: watch to watch Rudy.
Speaker 1: God damn it. And I love what's his name from
Speaker 1: the Goonies? What the fuck is his name? Oh?
Speaker 3: My god, he's and he's in.
Speaker 1: Patty Hurst's Son. He's fucking He's in Lord of the
Speaker 1: fucking a.
Speaker 3: He's such a good actor.
Speaker 1: Sean.
Speaker 3: God, he's adorable.
Speaker 2: Then what happens, Oh, okay, so we're working the case.
Speaker 2: Fitz sees Olivia on TV standing behind the senator that's
Speaker 2: been being bad and he's like he can see just
Speaker 2: like one half of Olivia Pope's face and he's so
Speaker 2: fucking transfixed.
Speaker 1: Yo. But Tony in that scene when he's watching her,
Speaker 1: his acting is really really good. It's really powerful.
Speaker 3: And it's really good.
Speaker 2: He has two moments in this this episode that where
Speaker 2: his acting is like quiet and behind the eyes and
Speaker 2: so special.
Speaker 3: It's that looking at her eyeball, and then the other
Speaker 3: moment through.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes this really photos. I thought the same thing.
Speaker 2: He gets these surveillance photos of Edison and live like together,
Speaker 2: and obviously they're very happy, and he's just like shuffling
Speaker 2: the photos and getting more and more angry and desperate
Speaker 2: and sad and multuous in the storm and sadness and
Speaker 2: depression and hatred and.
Speaker 3: All underheath him.
Speaker 2: And he does such a freaking great job. Quinn and
Speaker 2: Huck have so much together in this episode. Oh, it's
Speaker 2: vintage Huckleberry.
Speaker 3: Quinn is what it is?
Speaker 1: It really is. You are brilliant in this episode. Your
Speaker 1: fucking work is so good that first time you walk
Speaker 1: in the into Huck's office and you say hey, Huck,
Speaker 1: like super like bubbly and happy. I forget what you said.
Speaker 3: Whatever you want to punch her in the face?
Speaker 1: What's that drug? Can you believe that? To use drugs
Speaker 1: sometimes to knock people out for like ten hours? What's
Speaker 1: it called? And Huck is like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 1: And then he gives her the name of the drug,
Speaker 1: M ninety nine, and he's like, or a torphine a torfe.
Speaker 3: Which it's the same thing. Is that a real drub?
Speaker 1: But I don't know. I don't know, But Katie and
Speaker 1: then you, Huck answers you and you're like, oh cool,
Speaker 1: that's crazy. Can you believe that? And then this camera
Speaker 1: stays on you and you walk out and you go
Speaker 1: from a smile to like a look of like I
Speaker 1: fucking hate or I'm figuring this shit out. Oh it's
Speaker 1: so good. It's so good?
Speaker 3: Do you think?
Speaker 2: So I watch it and I'm like, oh, Vey is
Speaker 2: mir like she was doing yo.
Speaker 1: But also, Katie, this was an eating moment for me.
Speaker 1: For Huck when he's eating that sandwich, Oh my god, wait.
Speaker 3: Oh see that's funny.
Speaker 2: I didn't even fucking I've watched this episode twice now,
Speaker 2: never even saw that you were eating a sandwich because
Speaker 2: clearly I'm a narcissist and was only looking at my
Speaker 2: own performance.
Speaker 3: What are you eating and in what scene?
Speaker 1: Oh it's a sandwich. It was probably a turkey on
Speaker 1: whole weep toast with lettuce, tomato, mao. Sometimes I would
Speaker 1: say mustard because Mayo would fuck up my stomach sometimes,
Speaker 1: so if I was shooting but and they put some
Speaker 1: chips on the side, that that dairy situation.
Speaker 3: You know you loved a HOGI Huck loved a hogy.
Speaker 1: He loves Who doesn't love a hogy?
Speaker 3: Everybody loves a Hogy, But I feel like he's one
Speaker 3: of the few. You don't love a hogy?
Speaker 1: Oh? No, no, I love a Hobey. Yeah. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: saying I don't not love a hogy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I feel like Huck probably, out of every
Speaker 2: character on Scandal ate the most sandwiches.
Speaker 1: Oh, because they would always be like, what do you
Speaker 1: want to eat? I mean, I guess the sandwich or
Speaker 1: a burger is always the most practical on set. But
Speaker 1: I would always be like a sandwich, a turkey sandwich,
Speaker 1: and I would get so excited.
Speaker 3: Okay, then what the hell happens? Okay?
Speaker 2: So Quinn Huck have so much, so many good scenes
Speaker 2: because Quinn is on the case. She is on the
Speaker 2: case of trying to figure out how she could have
Speaker 2: been put out, drugged and taken from pedal lum in
Speaker 2: California to Washington, d see with a new identity, and
Speaker 2: she's going to figure it out. And she's like playing
Speaker 2: two sides of a coin where she's going into Huck's
Speaker 2: office and being like, how would you drag a person
Speaker 2: and how would you get a person out? How would
Speaker 2: you get him on a private plane?
Speaker 1: How would you She has this, Yeah, she has a
Speaker 1: super strong feeling that Huck was a part of it,
Speaker 1: which I think is it's the first time you kind
Speaker 1: of see into Quinn's brain and you're like, oh, she's
Speaker 1: fucking good. That's why Olivia, Yeah, saved her, and why
Speaker 1: Olivia has her on her team because you're figuring all
Speaker 1: this shit out.
Speaker 2: I do like that that's kind of smart in this episode, Like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I think that Quinn. I think that Olivia definitely saves
Speaker 2: Quinn because she feels bad that she ruined her life
Speaker 2: and Jesse Tyler does and all of that. Yeah, But
Speaker 2: I do also think that, you know, Quinn is slowly
Speaker 2: proving herself with her gut. But in this episode is
Speaker 2: the first time you're like, oh, she ain't stupid.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. And and Huck too, I think, is kind
Speaker 1: of like thrown for a loop. I feel I feel
Speaker 1: like he's like, oh shit, like is she really putting
Speaker 1: all this shit together? Because he knows obvious that he's
Speaker 1: the one that did all this stuff to her, which
Speaker 1: we find out later. Right, we kind of see all
Speaker 1: the stuff that she's talking about play out in real time,
Speaker 1: right in a flashback.
Speaker 2: We see in flashbacks that Huck was the one that
Speaker 2: was outside of the apartment, you know, that was at
Speaker 2: the motel, threw her over his shoulder.
Speaker 1: That's when I shoulder Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I was like I just kept I remember thinking, please,
Speaker 1: just don't fart or ship yourself when you put it
Speaker 1: because you guys, but not because you were because I
Speaker 1: just was like, oh fuck, don't fart and don't ship yourself.
Speaker 3: To hoist me. I'm more the same height pretty much.
Speaker 2: I'm five sixty five seven and I remember the same weight,
Speaker 2: to be honest, especially at that time. Yeah, yeah, up
Speaker 2: your own body, put it on your shoulder and walk
Speaker 2: a while and sling me in a car that is
Speaker 2: not safe.
Speaker 3: I don't know why you do that, wild I did it.
Speaker 1: It was and I think also people that have done
Speaker 1: that know that that way of carrying someone is the
Speaker 1: easiest way to carry someone. That's why people do it.
Speaker 3: True.
Speaker 1: I think because the weight sort of levels out in
Speaker 1: a way where you don't feel it that much. I
Speaker 1: could be mistaken, but I believe that's the case. But
Speaker 1: that whole time, I was thinking, don't fart, don't start,
Speaker 1: don't shit, don't fart. Oh god, did you ever fart?
Speaker 1: On set? I farted, So there was times I'd be like, oh,
Speaker 1: I just started. I don't nobody realized that.
Speaker 2: No, I think I'm just getting into my public farting age.
Speaker 3: Yeause you were forty.
Speaker 2: On Scandal and I was thirty, so I just think
Speaker 2: my life. But was like, I just no, I'm noticing
Speaker 2: it like older people just don't care.
Speaker 3: You don't care as much about yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: But you're also you drank so much like tea and
Speaker 1: which is really good for your stomach, So I think
Speaker 1: you're your stomach was always in a good place.
Speaker 2: Party person as it is. I'm just not like I
Speaker 2: think you either are or not. I've never and every
Speaker 2: I can't believe the amount.
Speaker 3: Of farts we've talked about on this episode.
Speaker 1: One My God, people are gonna love it. People are gonna.
Speaker 3: There's a book everybody poops everybody parts.
Speaker 2: I'm not like that farty and some people are just
Speaker 2: like I fart a lot, Like there's just like a
Speaker 2: lot of farting going on.
Speaker 1: I'm not listen. I'm not that guy that's like, bro,
Speaker 1: I just like I don't fart in front of people,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, hey, g and crack up like other guys. No,
Speaker 1: I only do it. I mostly doing when I'm sleeping.
Speaker 1: I'm a big fartist posting Mikey's like you were farting
Speaker 1: it up last night, or or if I fall asleep
Speaker 1: in the living room, people be like, girl, you just
Speaker 1: you were. I was like what?
Speaker 2: And I get so embarrassed each other either, but like
Speaker 2: so many people in my life, like he'll kill me whatever.
Speaker 2: My brother is like, I refuse they him and his
Speaker 2: wife have been together for seventeen years and they part
Speaker 2: of each other. He goes, I refuse to live in
Speaker 2: a prison, That's what he says, where.
Speaker 1: I can't let and it's very unhealthy. I'm not uld
Speaker 1: you're supposed to.
Speaker 3: Like, but Adam and I do not far in front
Speaker 3: of each other in a prison.
Speaker 1: Well, I feel like I'm in a I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know I'm But Mikey's like he doesn't even ge,
Speaker 1: just like we'll be having a conversation and just be like,
Speaker 1: oh and continue talking, and I'm like, we'll be right back, guys.
Speaker 3: Okay. There's a lot of Quinn and Hawk.
Speaker 2: There's also just such beautiful moments of Harrison and Abby
Speaker 2: are the ones who are really outside the crazy Harold
Speaker 2: Pearce's mansion, and they're the ones who are really working
Speaker 2: the case. They're trying to get him committed for being insane,
Speaker 2: and they're the ones that are like on a stakeout
Speaker 2: and they're eating chips and talking about their life. Because
Speaker 2: Harrison is the one that old Abby like, you shouldn't
Speaker 2: be with David Rosen, He's not a good dude, and
Speaker 2: sort of led her to the lie that David Rosen
Speaker 2: had abused his previous relationship. And and it's just so
Speaker 2: sweet between Harrison and Abby.
Speaker 3: They have that slow dancing scene that is.
Speaker 1: Yes, the sweet, it's the best. They have also have
Speaker 1: that moment where Abby is sleeping and Harrison is listening
Speaker 1: to her voicemail on her phone. I was like, what
Speaker 1: are you doing? Like but I mean that wasn't a
Speaker 1: sweet moment, but it was an interesting moment. But that
Speaker 1: dance when they dance together, Oh, it's so good.
Speaker 2: Ella Fitzgerald playing playing in the background.
Speaker 3: Yes till the day I or something like that. Yes,
Speaker 3: she has the most.
Speaker 2: It's such a beautiful choice. The two of them are
Speaker 2: just so lovely. And he's like, you're gonna find a
Speaker 2: good dude one day, Abby, and you're like sitting there
Speaker 2: just dying inside because you're like, David Rosen was that
Speaker 2: good dude?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I know, Well she'll find her way back to him.
Speaker 1: She'll find her way back.
Speaker 2: Spoiler and only like how Abby can like that that
Speaker 2: right before her, the crying tears that are welled up
Speaker 2: in her eyes.
Speaker 3: I mean, she's just absolutely.
Speaker 2: And we've got James is like all over defiance, all
Speaker 2: these this is why Scandal, so really, all of these
Speaker 2: fucking storylines are going on at one time. We've got
Speaker 2: Harold Pierce with Abby and Harrison and his like hot
Speaker 2: hot new baby baby wife girlfriend who he marries in
Speaker 2: the episode.
Speaker 3: That's an amazing part.
Speaker 1: Great, they're sending.
Speaker 2: Him in a doctor because he's sick, and they actually
Speaker 2: send him in a doctor of theology to officiate the
Speaker 2: fucking wedding. So now Harold Pierce is married to the
Speaker 2: little baby playboy Bunny. Then and then you and I
Speaker 2: are like in the office and I'm sniffing out the
Speaker 2: Quinn origin story. And then at the same time, James
Speaker 2: is like at the White House having dinner for the
Speaker 2: resident's birthday, and the fits has this amazing story where
Speaker 2: he talks about how the whole election only came down
Speaker 2: to three little districts in Defiance, Ohio.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and James is like.
Speaker 2: Wait what this sounds exactly like all the ship that
Speaker 2: David Rosen has been telling me.
Speaker 3: And this is really freaking me out. I feel like
Speaker 3: this is not.
Speaker 1: And in that scene, seeing the faces of Verna and
Speaker 1: Cyrus and Melly, how because they all know obviously that
Speaker 1: they stole the election, And when Fitzman mentions Defiance, because
Speaker 1: you know, he he says in that in that in
Speaker 1: that scene, how all the red states stayed red, all
Speaker 1: the blue states stayed blue. And then it was that Defiance,
Speaker 1: which was supposed to be a blue state because he
Speaker 1: fits is Republican, right, and then it turned red and oh,
Speaker 1: it's such a great scene.
Speaker 3: And he's like, that's why you don't believe in polsters.
Speaker 1: Yes, and there we put you in that white house.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is all just a lie.
Speaker 1: But then of course James is like, oh shit, there's
Speaker 1: some truth to this, like Rosen is onto something. Let
Speaker 1: me jump in on this and figure this out, figure
Speaker 1: fucking Defiance out and Cytron and all of that.
Speaker 3: It's so good.
Speaker 2: This episode is so fast and the most amazing part
Speaker 2: of the episode. And well, are there any other wait,
Speaker 2: hold on, I'm looking at my notes, I'm looking at
Speaker 2: my yeah, yeah, Edison, Okay, James is off in Defiance.
Speaker 2: After that, he's like working on the voting machines. He's
Speaker 2: like playing sleuth. He's like going through every single voting
Speaker 2: machine and trying to find the cartridges and the cards
Speaker 2: to figure out how it could have been rigged. And
Speaker 2: then he finds one voting machine that's been missing that
Speaker 2: he can't find, and it's in a school and it's
Speaker 2: like behind glass in Defiance, Ohio. And he gets in
Speaker 2: there and he's like, please, God, let the card be there.
Speaker 2: Please gotta let me be the card there. And the
Speaker 2: card is there, and then he runs the numbers and
Speaker 2: it's total proof that the election was rigged.
Speaker 3: And Dan Bugatinsky does such a good job.
Speaker 1: He really does. That's why he won the Emmy. He
Speaker 1: won the Emmy, right, he.
Speaker 4: Won the Emmy for Best Guest Star that Year, Guest
Speaker 4: Star Performance.
Speaker 2: The Emmys we got were Dan Bucatinski Guestar Performance, Joe
Speaker 2: Morton Guest Star.
Speaker 3: Yes, and I think and I think Kate person dominated.
Speaker 1: She might have gotten nominated the I know the show
Speaker 1: got nominated for for like the NAACP Awards and for
Speaker 1: did we get nominated for SAG? We did? We went
Speaker 1: to the We went as a cast to the SAG Awards.
Speaker 1: Didn't we want to know? Maybe not.
Speaker 2: Kerry got nominated for Best Actress Emmys and Golden Globes
Speaker 2: but didn't win. But honestly, in my opinion, just paved
Speaker 2: ways for viol like right after you know. But yeah,
Speaker 2: So we figure out that he's got hardcore proof that
Speaker 2: the election was rigged, and.
Speaker 3: Live tells Edison she's all in.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Edison gets voted to be the Senator Majority Leader and
Speaker 2: he's like, come on, let's go to the President's birthday
Speaker 2: gala as my date.
Speaker 3: And he opens the door and could Carrie look fucking hotter?
Speaker 1: Oh that dress? That dress god.
Speaker 3: Beautiful or the makeup, the bag? Ah, she's like evening
Speaker 3: Senator and it's like so cute.
Speaker 2: And they're in the limo and it's like they're a
Speaker 2: real couple and they're so adorable together. At the same time,
Speaker 2: they're cutting to Fits and Mellie, who are also in
Speaker 2: a limo heading to the same party, and Mellie's acting
Speaker 2: like a weirdo. She's like, I just really don't want
Speaker 2: to go, and I want to go and I want
Speaker 2: to be She's got a really weird feeling.
Speaker 1: And I was just going to say, it's I think
Speaker 1: that's an interesting thing. I feel like in a lot
Speaker 1: of situations like that, people people have talked about having
Speaker 1: gut feelings like that, like Oh, I'm not getting on
Speaker 1: this flight. I don't know why, but I'm just not
Speaker 1: getting on and then the plane goes down. She had
Speaker 1: a feeling something bad was that never was going to happen,
Speaker 1: you know, Oh God, do that I.
Speaker 2: The last plane ride I was on, like last week.
Speaker 2: It was the worst turbune I've been on probably ten
Speaker 2: thousand plane rides. It was the worst turbulence I've ever had.
Speaker 2: And I was like, I'm gonna do I'm going to
Speaker 2: survive this.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 2: I was getting thrown around as if I was on
Speaker 2: a fucking roller coaster?
Speaker 1: Are you kidding?
Speaker 3: No? And I was like, my kids thought it was hilarious,
Speaker 3: but I was.
Speaker 1: They didn't care.
Speaker 2: You were like, oh, like refusing to sit down, and
Speaker 2: I'm like holding them down, and the the flight attendants
Speaker 2: are bearing down that I mean, no one was allowed.
Speaker 2: It was awful for hours, not just like a little stink.
Speaker 2: It was like five or ten minutes. It was horrendous.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 3: I was in the back of the plane.
Speaker 2: Steerage by the toilets, getting flung around.
Speaker 3: It was awful. And I was like rinking, why again,
Speaker 3: were drinking?
Speaker 1: Didn't have some wine? They weren't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because they couldn't even be up or about It
Speaker 2: was fuck fucking terrible anyway, So, yes, Melli has a
Speaker 2: really bad feeling. But wait real quick before this part,
Speaker 2: Quinn figures it out. Yeah, she comes in and she
Speaker 2: nails it. She's like I called the flight records, and
Speaker 2: there is a flight record that, uh, there was a
Speaker 2: private plane that was flown from Petaluma to Washington, d C.
Speaker 2: On the night that I was taken. And I think
Speaker 2: that someone was someone like you or it was you,
Speaker 2: because the plane was registered to Verna Thornton.
Speaker 3: And it's like.
Speaker 2: Ding ming, we got it. Yeah, so we figured out
Speaker 2: how Quinn Perkins is no longer Lindsay Dwyer and she's
Speaker 2: Quinn Perkins.
Speaker 1: And then what is what is Huck's reaction there? I
Speaker 1: don't remember what is he is?
Speaker 3: He does he like, didn't I already tell you? I
Speaker 3: don't watch you in the scenes.
Speaker 1: I only watch my admit.
Speaker 2: I think Hawk gave some sort of classic amazing Garamau
Speaker 2: Hawk reaction where you're doing three things, No, you're doing
Speaker 2: three things at once.
Speaker 1: You're a little I watched this episode like five times
Speaker 1: and I'm like, how do I not remember that moment? Like,
Speaker 1: what was Huck's reaction to that?
Speaker 3: Got moments and scandal, I mean, for a forty two
Speaker 3: minute show, it is.
Speaker 1: Chocked so many fucking moments.
Speaker 3: So she's saying, don't get out of the car, don't
Speaker 3: get out of the car, don't get out of the
Speaker 3: car and they get out of the car.
Speaker 1: And he's like, sometimes you can't get everything you want,
Speaker 1: which is a line that she says to him earlier.
Speaker 1: And she's just like devastated, like ugh, and he gets
Speaker 1: out of the car.
Speaker 2: He's like, buck up, I don't always want to do
Speaker 2: everything I have to do either. Yeah, and we're going
Speaker 2: and he gets out of the car and bang, h shot.
Speaker 1: What thehuck? What the remember? Isn't that the hashtag that
Speaker 1: started like in the next episode A couple of episodes down, Yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Forgot about the hashtag. What the houck? Geez? You blinators
Speaker 3: and your hashtags were genius.
Speaker 1: Y'all were good.
Speaker 3: And I'm going, I can't believe they shot the president.
Speaker 2: I was talking to a writer about Scandal and they
Speaker 2: were like they they told me the moment they realized
Speaker 2: that Scandal was absolutely genius was they were talking to
Speaker 2: friends and they were saying at the time, they were like,
Speaker 2: you know, this show is going to be so awesome
Speaker 2: at some point down the road, you know, I could
Speaker 2: see them even like shooting the president. And he was
Speaker 2: like and then it happened that night, wow, meaning like
Speaker 2: he just was like, Scandal was never afraid of story.
Speaker 2: It never held on to huge plot points and waited
Speaker 2: for them to come down the road.
Speaker 3: It was like, yeah, we were fucking.
Speaker 2: In it and going one hundred and ten million miles
Speaker 2: an hour with big choices and making big swings from this.
Speaker 1: It was unpredictable. It was unpredictable, which is what keeps
Speaker 1: the show going. I think that's what keeps people coming back, right, and.
Speaker 2: Even seven, So that's that's fourteen episodes of this show
Speaker 2: have been made and aired and we just shot the president.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, but even for us, right, we were always like, fuck,
Speaker 1: we don't know what. I don't know what's going to
Speaker 1: happen to my character. They could kill me off always,
Speaker 1: you know, you hope they don't, but anything can happen.
Speaker 1: That's what made it so exciting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when he gets shot, it's Tom Verica did such
Speaker 2: an amazing job. Doesn't it feel like fucking frightening? And
Speaker 2: it feels like you're there. It feels like you're like
Speaker 2: in the crowd, like it.
Speaker 3: Feels how he did that.
Speaker 2: I don't know enough about shooting to know you're director
Speaker 2: that I am, but it felt like you're there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's fucking it just gets catches you off guard.
Speaker 1: It's Oh, it's so good, It's so scary. It's so
Speaker 1: scary when you see him get hit and then he
Speaker 1: falls and.
Speaker 2: Then like she's like screaming and there's like multiple shots,
Speaker 2: and I'm when we have Tom Verica on I've we
Speaker 2: have to ask him about the Trail, which was his
Speaker 2: first episode in season six episodes of season one, and
Speaker 2: then we have to ask him about how he shot
Speaker 2: this scene because I I think it's done so well,
Speaker 2: Like I love that it's not close up unfits, like
Speaker 2: it just really feels like I imagine scarily what a
Speaker 2: shooting would feel like in a public place where there's
Speaker 2: a lot of people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, God, could you Oh man? I was thinking to Kate,
Speaker 1: I was like, I wonder what Jackie O NASA's was
Speaker 1: feeling in the car. Did she have a weird feeling
Speaker 1: because you know, women have really good intuition and good
Speaker 1: gut instincts, So I was I was thinking about that.
Speaker 1: I was like, I wonder if he had any sort
Speaker 1: of odd feeling like before they left their the house
Speaker 1: or or what have you. If she was like, oh,
Speaker 1: this doesn't feel right. I wonder I wonder you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't.
Speaker 2: Know, but I feel that way now every time I'm
Speaker 2: in like public group settings. It's like if something ever like,
Speaker 2: I'm just it sucks. I hate that I have to
Speaker 2: feel that way, but I totally do. Remember did you
Speaker 2: and I when we were in d C. Didn't we
Speaker 2: go to one of the stops when we did this,
Speaker 2: Like we talked about it on the Tony Goldwin guest
Speaker 2: episode where we did like a big nighttime tour of
Speaker 2: DC and we stepped all the monuments. Didn't we stop
Speaker 2: at the booth theater where Abe Lincoln was shot?
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, we sure did we Did we have photos
Speaker 1: in front of you?
Speaker 3: Yes? Yeah, Like that's insane.
Speaker 1: And that was back in the day they were fucking
Speaker 1: assassinating presidents.
Speaker 3: I just I can't, I can't.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I just think this episode is so great
Speaker 2: and everyone, as per usual, does look great.
Speaker 1: And our guest stars are so good. Y'all got to
Speaker 1: go and watch the Bad Seed, like and Rudy. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do the same. I'm gonna fucking watch Rudy. I'm
Speaker 1: so sorry for lying you guys, and and whataby.
Speaker 2: Tuna fun facts from the episode M ninety nine, The
Speaker 2: drug that Quinn learns about from Huck is the same
Speaker 2: drug that Dexter uses when he knocks out his victims.
Speaker 3: Did you watch Dexter?
Speaker 1: I watched a little bit. I watched. I did like
Speaker 1: a la carte situation with Dexter. I would have watched
Speaker 1: an episode here and there, but I never watched the
Speaker 1: whole series three. But I loved the episodes I watched.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was great, He's so good. I was
Speaker 1: also thinking watching the episode, I was like, oh shit,
Speaker 1: like I was. I was so into watching James figure
Speaker 1: out the cytron and defiant situation, and I was like,
Speaker 1: why did I not? How is this all so new
Speaker 1: to me? And I think it was because whenever we
Speaker 1: would watch the episodes, we were always tweeting. We had
Speaker 1: to live tweet yep so so many I mean, we
Speaker 1: would be on set shooting, but then we would go
Speaker 1: watch it together or separate, but we were always live tweeting.
Speaker 1: So I never fully fully watched the episodes, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? And now like I'm able to do that,
Speaker 1: which I.
Speaker 2: The same way, like, there were so many parts of
Speaker 2: the episodes where I would be just buried in my phone.
Speaker 1: That we would missing Yeah.
Speaker 3: Tweet Twitter, tweeter Twitter, speaking of tweeters, tweet twitch tweet
Speaker 3: speaking of tweeters, Guys, some of the scandal tweets of
Speaker 3: the time.
Speaker 1: Right, Well, let's see Donna Harold at Donna j Harold.
Speaker 1: She says, just check the liquor cabinet. My patron is missing,
Speaker 1: either Fits or for to one one has been there?
Speaker 1: Who's four one one has been here? Bastard's hashtag scandal.
Speaker 3: Wait, Fits didn't drink patron?
Speaker 1: I know drank, didn't fitz whisky? He drank whisky.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Donna Harold, but whatever, You're cute. Lou Velli
Speaker 2: Creole at Lovely Creole on November twenty ninth, twenty twelve.
Speaker 2: Can Live keep her game face on throughout scandal? Will
Speaker 2: the President punch Lives new boo in the face hashtag scandal.
Speaker 3: I don't think. Oh, did Fits and Edison ever have
Speaker 3: a scene together?
Speaker 1: I don't remember. I don't remember. But also I don't
Speaker 1: know if we talked that that moment where Olivia realizes
Speaker 1: that Fits endorse Edison, right, in a sense, he sort
Speaker 1: of endored, which is the sign that he's let Olivia go. Oh,
Speaker 1: the look on Carrie's face and her acting in that scene.
Speaker 1: It was so good.
Speaker 3: It's okay for him to be the Senate majority.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, so Big Bob at b s, I'm not listen.
Speaker 1: Big Bob tweeted, I may get my man card pulled
Speaker 1: for this, but I'm addicted to Scandal and I'm not
Speaker 1: going to rehab. You shouldn't, man, you shouldn't. Let's see
Speaker 1: Patrick Swainey, Patrick sweezy but not so. Scandal went and
Speaker 1: got superbly thrilling while I had my back turn there
Speaker 1: fucking aces this show like a sexy and murderous The
Speaker 1: Good Wife. Yeah. I never watched the.
Speaker 3: Watch that's Christine Baranski.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, who I love. But our shows better. Never
Speaker 1: what I said our show's better. I've never seen it either,
Speaker 1: but I have a feeling our show's better.
Speaker 3: I feel so much better.
Speaker 2: Miss original it, Miss Masila says hashtag Scandal so good.
Speaker 2: Olivia and the President should defo be together.
Speaker 3: I don't get that.
Speaker 1: Vanity Smurf yes, says So I'm trying to come up
Speaker 1: with a drinking game for Scandal. What should the rules be?
Speaker 2: My drinking game with Scandal was whenever anyone, says QR
Speaker 2: recognition software.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 3: We ever, when we.
Speaker 2: Were on set and we were doing like a big
Speaker 2: episode that had a lot of hacking. Anytime that anyone
Speaker 2: said QR facial recognition software, you had to drink.
Speaker 1: Oh my god? Was it often? I guess it was? Right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a few episodes where I feel like you.
Speaker 2: They're much later on, it's like you. And when Josh
Speaker 2: Molina became one of us for like a second, Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: a lot of QR facial recognition software, which I have
Speaker 2: no fucking clue what the hell.
Speaker 3: That is, but drink everybody.
Speaker 2: Next episode is called Happy Birthday, Mister President.
Speaker 3: Happy. Oh that's better. That was really good.
Speaker 1: Well, and then in this next episode we're gonna see
Speaker 1: everything that happens after the president gets shot.
Speaker 2: Happy Birthday Mister President is so amazing, guys. Obviously, G
Speaker 2: and I could talk for fuck ever. So I hope
Speaker 2: you guys are finding this entertaining, informational, breaking up the
Speaker 2: monotony of your day.
Speaker 1: We love It'll be a prisoner at home and let
Speaker 1: those parts out, let that gas outs rip.
Speaker 3: And I don't even take.
Speaker 1: My own advice, guys, what's same?
Speaker 3: You know, who are the prisoners in their own homes me.
Speaker 1: And g Gues, Me and Katie.
Speaker 3: Thank you guys so much for listening. We love you.
Speaker 3: Stay tuned for more.
Speaker 1: I love you guys.
Speaker 2: Thank you and bye bye.
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