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Speaker 1: that kind of treatment, And that brings us to today's story,

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Speaker 1: which is about fairy tales. Yes, for anyone curious about

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Speaker 1: the Saint Benjamin, it is a deacon. He's a deacon

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Speaker 1: in a martyr as well in Persia, and he died

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Speaker 1: Martyr Fantastic van so good. I was listening to them today. Um,

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Speaker 1: Really really cool. Highly recommend checking them out as well.

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Speaker 1: Good rack Casey, good rat Casey on the case. So

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Speaker 1: Gabe is an absolute gift. We have some things coming

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