Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to the short stuff. I'm Josh, there's Chuck,
Speaker 1: there's Dave. Let's get to it. No need for further explanation,
Speaker 1: let's just start. Let's go today February, thirty one year
Speaker 1: old woman brought into a hospital in Riverside, California named
Speaker 1: Gloria Ramirez. I like where this is going so far, Chuck,
Speaker 1: it's succinct, it's to the point. It was for for
Speaker 1: sixty seconds. She had been diagnosed with cervical cancer. But
Speaker 1: that's not why she was there. She was brought to
Speaker 1: the hospital because her heart was super beating. It was
Speaker 1: beating out of her chest such that the chambers were
Speaker 1: not filling with blood. That was lowering the volume that
Speaker 1: her heart was pumping to the rest of her body,
Speaker 1: and her blood pressure was plummeting, and it was very
Speaker 1: dangerous and very strange for a thirty one year old woman, right, Um,
Speaker 1: But like you said, she had cervical cancer. So they
Speaker 1: were like, okay, well, let's just figure this out and
Speaker 1: we'll treat her and we'll just life saving measures and
Speaker 1: do what we can for And so the e er
Speaker 1: staff started working on her like they would any other patient. Um,
Speaker 1: but they were unsuccessful in bringing her back. In less
Speaker 1: than an hour, she was pronounced dead by the head
Speaker 1: of the e R. But it's what took place during
Speaker 1: that hour that has created a lasting mystery since February
Speaker 1: that remains unsolved to this day because by the time
Speaker 1: the head of the e R pronounced Gloria Ramire is dead,
Speaker 1: the entire emergency room, all of the patients, and almost
Speaker 1: all of the staff had moved out to the parking
Speaker 1: lot had evacuated the emergency room because they wanted to
Speaker 1: get as far away from Gloria Ramires as absolutely possible. Right, So, uh,
Speaker 1: the first thing that happened was they noted that they
Speaker 1: drew some blood, and they noticed that the blood smelled
Speaker 1: like ammonia, which is not what blood smells like. They
Speaker 1: started looking closer and they found these crystals had solidified
Speaker 1: within the syringe in the blood. Um. They were called
Speaker 1: Manilla crystals. I looked for twenty minutes on what manilla
Speaker 1: crystals are and couldn't find it. Well, no, they were
Speaker 1: Manila colored crystals. Okay, well that makes sense then, yeah, uh,
Speaker 1: she the Mr. Ramirez was she herself was emitting an
Speaker 1: odor on her breath. It was they described it as
Speaker 1: garlicky and fruity, and then her her body was seemingly
Speaker 1: covered in an oily sheen. So so far that's not
Speaker 1: too bad or whatever. But the first big problem that
Speaker 1: they had, aside from those flex and her her blood
Speaker 1: the syringe full of blood, was that the nurse who
Speaker 1: had drawn the blood fainted in the er, which is
Speaker 1: pretty unusual. But even more unusual is that the nurse
Speaker 1: that she handed the syringe too, also fainted, staggered out
Speaker 1: of the room, sat down at a nurse's station desk,
Speaker 1: and just slumped over dead away. Also super weird. But
Speaker 1: it got even weirder. A third nurse and then ultimately
Speaker 1: a fourth nurse all fainted um passed out. One of
Speaker 1: them started wretching from nausea, all seemingly because of Gloria Ramira.
Speaker 1: Something was happening with Gloria Ramirez in her body that
Speaker 1: was making the e Er staff sick. And this was
Speaker 1: highly unusual, and that's about when they evacuated the e
Speaker 1: Er to get everybody as far away from Gloria ramiras
Speaker 1: as possible. Yeah, in the end, twenty three of the
Speaker 1: thirty seven people on staff in the e R had
Speaker 1: at least one odd symptom arranging from tremors to apnea. Uh.
Speaker 1: One of them even was an intensive care for two weeks. Pancreatitis,
Speaker 1: hepatitis like weird things is like an X Files episode. Basically, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that one nurse had all all all of those were
Speaker 1: in one nurse. Hepatitis, pancreatites, and something called a vascular necrosis,
Speaker 1: which is where the bone becomes starved of oxygen and
Speaker 1: starts to die. And this was concentrated on her knees.
Speaker 1: This is not supposed to happen when you're just you know,
Speaker 1: administering routine life saving measures to somebody who's having atrial fibrillation. Right,
Speaker 1: So what they did was they said, let's um seal
Speaker 1: the body in a bag. Let's seal that body bag
Speaker 1: and an aluminum box, and let's then seal that in
Speaker 1: a room until hazmat can get here. Has Matt arrived
Speaker 1: that night, and they said, you know, when we go
Speaker 1: to check this out, we assume we're going to find
Speaker 1: some kind of toxic gas because everyone's getting sick here.
Speaker 1: And it got even weirder when they discovered that Gloria
Speaker 1: Ramirez was not emitting any kind of toxic gas. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they expected to find something like um seward gas, maybe
Speaker 1: something coming from the e er and not necessarily Gloria
Speaker 1: Ramirez or phosgene gas, which can produce all sorts of
Speaker 1: horrible symptoms as well. And they found nothing, not just
Speaker 1: on her body, nothing in the bag, nothing in the
Speaker 1: box that they sealed her in, nothing in the room.
Speaker 1: There was just nothing. And yet she had made twenty
Speaker 1: three of the thirty seven emergency room staff sick, so
Speaker 1: something had happened. But now they're like, Okay, we've got
Speaker 1: a modern medical mystery on our hands. Should we take
Speaker 1: a break. I think we should. All right, We'll be
Speaker 1: right back, all right. So the has Matt team checks
Speaker 1: out Gloria Ramirez. Nothing unusual going on. Not only no
Speaker 1: weird gases. Uh, there were no viruses, no bacteria. They
Speaker 1: couldn't find any kind of biological source. And so they
Speaker 1: said she died of heart failure brought on by kidney failure,
Speaker 1: which was brought on by this cancer. But everyone's getting sick,
Speaker 1: so they said, we need to up our game here
Speaker 1: and bring in uh Quincy. Pretty much, they brought in
Speaker 1: someone from Lawrence Livermore National Labs, and they had better equipment,
Speaker 1: and they were basically charged with sampling tissue and sampling
Speaker 1: blood and finding out just what had happened to her. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so they found a lot of stuff that they
Speaker 1: expected to find, but they found three things that stood
Speaker 1: out to them. One was A means, which are a
Speaker 1: metabolite of ammonia. Another thing called niko tinamedes, which is
Speaker 1: a B vitamin that you sometimes find in drugs because
Speaker 1: it can produce euphoria and drug dealers will use it
Speaker 1: to extend their supply some um. And the third one
Speaker 1: is dimethyl sulfone, which is a metabolite of an amino.
Speaker 1: Asaid that the body is usually capable of breaking down,
Speaker 1: so it was an unusual thing to find even though
Speaker 1: it's found in the body, it's usually broken down and
Speaker 1: wouldn't have shown up on a test, which means that
Speaker 1: there was a lot of dimethyl sulfone in Gloria Ramirez's body. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's what they honed in on. The A means,
Speaker 1: they said, is probably from breaking down from some drug
Speaker 1: that we gave her because we were giving her cocktails
Speaker 1: of drugs to try and stabilize her. We weren't. But
Speaker 1: the e er was the second one. They said, well,
Speaker 1: this is quite a leap in my opinion, that suggested
Speaker 1: maybe she was using PCP, right, even though they didn't
Speaker 1: find any PCP in her system. But at any rate,
Speaker 1: they decided to focus on the third one, the dimethyl
Speaker 1: sul phone, which uh seemed to make a little bit
Speaker 1: more sense than the other two at least, right, and
Speaker 1: I mean like it was, it was written off much
Speaker 1: less easily than the other two, so it was the
Speaker 1: one that was kind of left over. And one of
Speaker 1: the researchers that Lawrence Livermore, said, Hey, dimethyl sulfhone. That's
Speaker 1: a type of sulfur with a single oxygen bond. But hey,
Speaker 1: get this, if you add two oxygen molecules to to
Speaker 1: this type of sulfur, you get dimethyl um sulf fox side,
Speaker 1: and that's something that people use as like a topical
Speaker 1: pain reliever. Maybe Gloria Ramirez was using this dimethyl sulf
Speaker 1: ox side as a topical pain reliever, because didn't you
Speaker 1: say that her skin was oily, So maybe that's where
Speaker 1: it came from. And everyone said, hey, that's great, but
Speaker 1: still there's nothing toxic um that could knock out an
Speaker 1: entire e er from dimethyl sulfone or dimethyl sul fox
Speaker 1: side yes, but they said, oh, some chemical nerds stood up.
Speaker 1: He said, but get this. You add four oxygen molecules
Speaker 1: and it's just crazy how a couple of molecules can
Speaker 1: make something deadly. But you add four and you're gonna
Speaker 1: get dimethyl sulfate. And that is if is a substance that,
Speaker 1: if it's in gaseous form, can kill you in ten minutes.
Speaker 1: And they went, oh, yep, okay, this makes a lot
Speaker 1: more sense because there can be a burning sensation, there
Speaker 1: can be tissue death and the eyeballs and mucus membranes.
Speaker 1: It can lead to paralysis and coma and convulsions, and
Speaker 1: suddenly it starts to come into form a little bit right.
Speaker 1: Solawrence Livermore went to the corner of Riverside, California, and said,
Speaker 1: here's what we think. We can't prove this, but here's
Speaker 1: the best theory we've come up with. Gloria Ramirez was
Speaker 1: using dimethyl sulfoxide d M s O as a topical
Speaker 1: pain reliever for her cervical cancer, and when she was
Speaker 1: brought in for heart failure, the paramedics and the e
Speaker 1: er staff started flooding her system with oxygen. Well, that
Speaker 1: oxygen combined with breaking down dimethyl dimethyl sulf ox side
Speaker 1: managed to combine into dimethyl sulfate, and that turned into
Speaker 1: some sort of gas that emitted from her that poisoned
Speaker 1: the e er staff. And everybody said, okay, good enough,
Speaker 1: that's the best anyone to come up with, kind of
Speaker 1: I mean, that was a decent theory, but they couldn't
Speaker 1: show the exact um pathway that that might have taken
Speaker 1: and why her body would have converted that sul phone
Speaker 1: into sulfate. It was a good guess, but they couldn't
Speaker 1: prove it necessarily, and they still can. It's still unpre
Speaker 1: even but some people say, well, this is just like
Speaker 1: no one's ever demonstrated how it happened, but this is
Speaker 1: probably what happened, say a lot of people. And the
Speaker 1: symptoms didn't exactly match because we mentioned some of the
Speaker 1: UH doctors and nurses suffered nausea and wretching, and apparently
Speaker 1: sulfate doesn't produce those symptoms. And nobody said, my eyes
Speaker 1: burned or my mucous membrane burns, which would be like
Speaker 1: the primary symptom, and everybody in the room would have
Speaker 1: it if one person was affected from being in close
Speaker 1: quarters with Gloria Ramirez like that, that's just what would
Speaker 1: happen first, And so the symptoms not matching. And then
Speaker 1: on top of that, the fact that Gloria Ramires his
Speaker 1: family said she never used d M s O kind
Speaker 1: of shoots some holes into this theory. So over time,
Speaker 1: the fact that this has remained a mystery has allowed
Speaker 1: some other ideas to kind of float to the surface too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: mass hysteria, which is I think that's just a go
Speaker 1: to anytime something happens you can't explain. Yeah, but it
Speaker 1: was it was particularly sexist to because they're like, look,
Speaker 1: it was mostly female nurses who were subject to this,
Speaker 1: so of course it was mass hysteria, right of course. Uh.
Speaker 1: And then this one is really interesting to me and
Speaker 1: also not true, but an urban legend arose that the
Speaker 1: on the hospital staff there were some people smuggling ingredients
Speaker 1: for meth amphetamine manufacturing through the E R and I
Speaker 1: V bags, so a little breaking bad operation going through there,
Speaker 1: and that one of the staff accidentally gave her an
Speaker 1: I V bag with these meth amphetamine ingredients and that
Speaker 1: produced this toxicity. Ye, pretty interesting stuff. I mean, probably
Speaker 1: not the case, but it's still I mean, you can
Speaker 1: float interesting ideas like that because it's still not proven. Agreed,
Speaker 1: may never be. Well, that's the case of the toxic
Speaker 1: corpse of Gloria Ramirez. May she rest in peace? Uh
Speaker 1: And since I said may she rest in peace, that
Speaker 1: means that this short stuff is over right, Chuck, That's right.
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