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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Bloomberg Markets Podcast. I'm Paul Sweeney, alongside

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Speaker 1: my co host Matt Miller. Every business day we bring

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Speaker 1: Broker studio. As we speak, Jenna Drosos. She is all

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Speaker 1: tested up for the COVID passing with colors. I would

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Speaker 1: say she's the CEO of Signet Jewelers based in Accord, Ohio.

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Speaker 1: It's a publicly traded company. S i G is a

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Speaker 1: ticker about a four billion dollar market. Cappin. Jenna, thanks

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Speaker 1: so much for joining us here. Talk to us about

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Speaker 1: the jewelry business in the world of a global pandemic.

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Speaker 1: Tell us what the last couple of years have been

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Speaker 1: like for your business. The sixth sign it is I

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Speaker 1: read that Signal is the world's largest retailer of diamond jewelry.

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Speaker 1: Is that true? Yes, that's right. So we operate under

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Speaker 1: a number of retail banners that many customers no k sales.

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Speaker 1: Jared Banter by piercing Pagoda. We have an online purely

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Speaker 1: digital play retailer, James Allen dot com. Just recently in

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Speaker 1: the last year purchased Diamonds Direct and Rocks Box, which

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Speaker 1: is the number one jewelry rental and subscription business in

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Speaker 1: the US. So we are number one in the US

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Speaker 1: both in bricks and mortar and e commerce. We're also

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Speaker 1: the number one jeweler in Canada with People's Jewelers and

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Speaker 1: in the UK with Ernest Jones and H. Samuel. So

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Speaker 1: I'm just looking at your fundamentals here on the Bloomberg.

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Speaker 1: It's great with any stock you can take GF go

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Speaker 1: and see your revenue. Uh and um, EPs, you guys

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Speaker 1: aren't doing great business obviously, up fifty percent year over

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Speaker 1: year in terms of revenue growth EPs at a near

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Speaker 1: record high. UM. Why Why is that? This is really

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Speaker 1: the culmination of several years of transformation that the company

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Speaker 1: has been under and I'm very proud of our team

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Speaker 1: for embracing those strategies and for the passion that they have.

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Speaker 1: We we have been working to drive out all costs

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Speaker 1: that customers don't see or care about, and we've invested,

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Speaker 1: We've invested that in creating a much stronger digital presence.

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Speaker 1: What we know about shoppers as they came through COVID

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Speaker 1: is that they're much more interested in searching and browsing

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Speaker 1: online before they go to a retail store. In fact,

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Speaker 1: in our business, now nine of our highest value customers,

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Speaker 1: so people who spend more than five dollars with us,

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Speaker 1: interact with us both online and in stores. So this

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Speaker 1: this is growth. I mean, if you look across different

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Speaker 1: kind of high tech businesses springing up, is online sales

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Speaker 1: your your biggest growth business. It's definitely the biggest new

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Speaker 1: interaction point for our customers. Still about eighty percent of

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Speaker 1: so people aren't buying as much online, but they're definitely

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Speaker 1: getting informed on line. We have features now like virtual

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Speaker 1: talk to us about the pandemic that two years did

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Speaker 1: scary thing to do for a retailer that was very

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Speaker 1: That's you know that amazed me talking to different luxury

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Speaker 1: difficult is that as a diamond retailer When I'm I've

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Speaker 1: on this um. Signet has been a leader in responsible

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Speaker 1: customers for many years have been able to count on

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Speaker 1: everything in a Signet store being pristinely sourced. And we're agile.

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Speaker 1: We have a group of changing vendors. We've gone to them,

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Speaker 1: good about buying jewelry at Signet. All right, Jenna, thank

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Speaker 1: So Katanji Brown Jackson, June, what can you tell us

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Speaker 1: about Katanji Brown Jackson? Well, she is currently uh appellate

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Speaker 1: That's a great question, and I I think that there

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Speaker 1: is some aspect that we looked at in terms of

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Speaker 1: mass accidus by any means, but it seems like that

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Speaker 1: whether it's due to high rent or or crime. And

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Speaker 1: um that being such a center of the economic hub

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Speaker 1: for the entire city, UM could have a big impact.

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