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Speaker 2: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntire. What is up,

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Speaker 2: straight Fire, Fam, It's me Jason McIntyre. Straight Fire for Wednesday,

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Speaker 2: March thirteenth. Oh boy, you're gonna love today's podcast. If

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Speaker 2: you like March Madness, if you love Championship Week, today's

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Speaker 2: guest is for you. Fran fur Schella, the great, longtime

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Speaker 2: announcer analyst. He does draft stuff called a lot of

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Speaker 2: Big twelve games, Big twelve stacked this year. You're gonna

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Speaker 2: you're just gonna love it. Thirty forty minutes of just great,

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Speaker 2: intense college hoop stuff, hopefully when you're a bracket poller. Two.

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Speaker 2: You guys know, I've been on a bit of a

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Speaker 2: heater one and O Monday night, two and O Tuesday Night,

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Speaker 2: including a fourteen parlay. I'm not making this stuff up.

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Speaker 2: It's been. It's been an amazing run. Now, listen, you

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Speaker 2: need two of those four games where came down under

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Speaker 2: the wire. But it's just been a really good college

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Speaker 2: basketball run. Moneyline parlay bets are the way to go.

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Speaker 2: I'm looking less it's spread, although when the tournament comes,

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Speaker 2: you know you won't have any options. So college hoops today,

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Speaker 2: I'll just say this. I touched on it yesterday on

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Speaker 2: social It's not for the faint of heart. But there

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Speaker 2: is a gambling strategy is that has largely worked the

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Speaker 2: last I don't know, five six years. So during championship week,

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Speaker 2: for instance, on Tuesday, a lot of like the middling

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Speaker 2: or major conferences started their started their tournaments and they'll

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Speaker 2: have the lower seeds playing the other teams get a bye.

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Speaker 2: For instance, let me quickly look at the scoreboard here

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Speaker 2: in the ACC first round you had Boston College beat Miami, right.

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Speaker 2: You had in the A ten you had Saint Louis

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Speaker 2: Bete Rhode Island. So today the conference tournaments pick up,

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Speaker 2: there's game pretty much round the clock. The strategy that

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Speaker 2: I'll be betting, and I'm not saying go heavy because

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Speaker 2: there's a lot of the games. You take the team

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Speaker 2: that played on Tuesday, first half, right, just the first

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Speaker 2: half to cover. So based on that example, just now,

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Speaker 2: you would look in the ACC and see, okay, who

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Speaker 2: played yesterday? I just revealed it, But damn it, this

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Speaker 2: computer's working slow. Hey it's early morning. Things are happening. Okay,

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Speaker 2: So NC State played yesterday. They are against Syracuse in

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Speaker 2: the afternoon. I will take NC State in the first half.

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Speaker 2: You're probably gonna see them favorite, even though Syracuse is

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Speaker 2: a small favorite for the game. The theory NC State's

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Speaker 2: syracuse has been off for a few days, and NC

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Speaker 2: State's got a lot to prove. Syracuse also a bubble team,

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Speaker 2: And the theory goes, you want the team that's that

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Speaker 2: just played. Now, you only want the first half. You

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Speaker 2: don't want full game. Now by Thursday Friday, you're looking

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Speaker 2: at like fifteen twenty bets and it does get pricey.

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Speaker 2: So I would only go quarter unit, third unit, and

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Speaker 2: let's hope for the best. So I will be rocking

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Speaker 2: that now before we get the Fran for Schilla. A

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Speaker 2: couple notes on the NFL and free agency has gone

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Speaker 2: kind of off the rails, But I just want to

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Speaker 2: jump on two things. So Lamar Jackson adds Derrick Henry

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Speaker 2: to the backfield and at like a bargain basement, Saquon

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Speaker 2: Barkley got twenty six million guaranteed, Derek Henry got nine. No,

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Speaker 2: I know Henry's got more tread on his tires. I

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Speaker 2: know Henry is older, but Barclay got way bigger injury history.

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Speaker 2: I would say that the Baltimore Ravens offensive line is

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Speaker 2: Barkley has a much better offensive line as well. I

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Speaker 2: just don't see how many more teams weren't in on

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Speaker 2: Dereck Henry nine mil guaranteed feels like a massive bargain.

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Speaker 2: Now we'll see how he performs because he is getting

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Speaker 2: up there in age. But I kind of like that

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Speaker 2: Derek Henry j it's a big name, settled down. You're

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Speaker 2: one of the teams, Deontay Johnson got shipped from Pittsburgh

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Speaker 2: and it just he had wore out his welcome in Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 2: So now you're gonna ship him to Carolina, so he's

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Speaker 2: with Bryce Young. Bryce Young had like the worst receivers

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Speaker 2: massive headache. I uh oh, nothing nothing lining up grade

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Speaker 2: for Carolina and Bryce Young. They are getting more draft picks, though,

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Speaker 2: what do you do? Let's see what they do with those.

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Speaker 2: I'll wrap up with this. I'm not touching the Jets

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Speaker 2: I will just say this and we'll get to Fran Frascilla,

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Speaker 2: from Aaron Rodgers. I don't know, a month ago, the

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Speaker 2: bullshit that has nothing to do with winning needs to

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Speaker 2: get out of the building. That was the Jets quarterback

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Speaker 2: probably a month ago regarding non football stuff. And now

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Speaker 1: You know a guy, Jason likes to think he knows

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Speaker 1: everything when it comes to sports.

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Speaker 2: I know what sports fans want, but for everything he doesn't.

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Speaker 2: He knows a guy who does. Let's just say I.

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Speaker 1: Know a guy who knows a guy who knows another guy.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's welcome back to straight Fire, as we

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Speaker 2: do every March. One of the best in the business,

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Speaker 2: Fran for Scilla. He does college basketball announcing, analysm. Analysm

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Speaker 2: is that even a word? He's an analyst. He does

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Speaker 2: NBA draft stuff. He's one of the greats out there. Fran.

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Speaker 2: How are you man?

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Speaker 1: Jason? Always a pleasure, love talking to you this time

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Speaker 1: of year. Let's go.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so much excitement happening. You are at the Big

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Speaker 2: twelve tournament. Big twelve I think far and away the

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Speaker 2: best conference in the country. But there is drama at

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Speaker 2: the top with Kansas. Why don't we just start with

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Speaker 2: the Jayhawks who were rolling and now they're kind of

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Speaker 1: Well, they're reeling for sure, and I will tell you

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Speaker 1: like this is the last time you ever see Bill

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Speaker 1: self without depth. Twenty one years, he's had an amazing run, obviously,

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Speaker 1: They they didn't have any depth anyway, and yet they've

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Speaker 1: got wins over number one, number two, and number four

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Speaker 1: in this week's eight people. But injuries to mccullor who's

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Speaker 1: had a knee injury since mid January, and then in

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Speaker 1: the game I did Saturday at Houston, the Coronation of

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Speaker 1: Houston is the Big twelve regular season champs, Hunter Dickinson

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Speaker 1: Bill self, I absolutely would not play them in the

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Speaker 1: Big Twelve tournament. Nothing to play for. They need to

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Speaker 1: worry about next week March Madness. There'll be a three

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Speaker 1: seed pretty sure that's locked in. They got to get healthy.

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Speaker 1: You'll never see this happen again in Kansas. Bill will

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Speaker 1: not be caught caught short like this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a tough spot for them, the beat down

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Speaker 1: was And I've seen this all year, Jason. I've seen

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Speaker 1: This is as legiti culture as you'll ever find in basketball.

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Speaker 1: champs Alvi Kelvin Samsu's team, they were ready to go.

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Speaker 1: They were embarrassed on February fourth.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 1: I saw them in the last month. They kept saying

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Speaker 1: been an NBA head coach. He came back to Houston

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they are a juggernaut right now, number one in

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Speaker 2: the country in defense per Ken Pom. Now, obviously there'll

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Speaker 2: it sounds like you like Jamal a lot and feel

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what there I think to your point,

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Speaker 1: I think they're number twenty in offense. So it's not

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Speaker 1: We're not talking about the Iowa Hawkey football team here, guy,

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Speaker 1: you know, and Jamal shed is certainly not like the

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Speaker 1: Iowa Hawky quarterbacks. No offense to those guys, but he is.

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Speaker 1: And I've been doing the Big twelve for twenty years now,

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Speaker 1: maybe twenty one, and I've seen Buddy Healed, I've seen

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Speaker 1: Blake Griffin, k D, Frank Mason Wiggins, MB, you name him.

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Speaker 1: Never have I seen a leader like this kid. Wow.

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Speaker 1: And he's a guy that was not heavily recruited at

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Speaker 1: a Austin, Texas in the shadows of the forty Acres

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Speaker 1: right Shaka smart Chris Beard. No, they didn't want him,

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Speaker 1: goes to Houston. Kelvin says he was a little turret

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Speaker 1: as a freshman, bad body language. What did he say?

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Speaker 1: He said? He said he was softed and puppy poop

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Speaker 1: in a rainstorm.

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Speaker 2: Woo out.

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Speaker 1: So and this kid has become and we say this

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Speaker 1: as a cliche, but you really can't fix this to

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Speaker 1: any one player, but you can with him. He's Kelvin

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Speaker 1: Samson's brain on the basketball court. I've never seen a

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Speaker 1: that if you told Kelvin, hey, take your staff to

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Speaker 1: Kankud for a week, Jamal Scheded could coach that team

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Speaker 1: So every year Kelvin's replacing four starters. Last year they

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Speaker 2: Definitely after Houston, it seems like Yukon is everybody's darling.

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Speaker 1: being able to score. And as crazy as it sounds like,

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Speaker 1: everybody says defense wins championships, and I don't believe that.

429
00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:20,119
Speaker 1: I think you got everybody is good defensively. Most people

430
00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:21,919
Speaker 1: in the tournament are good defensively. You got to be

431
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Speaker 1: able to score, You got to be helping. You gotta

432
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Speaker 1: be able to have a Dalton connect. That's why I

433
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Speaker 1: like Creighton old get back to the older team, right

434
00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:35,800
Speaker 1: Trey Alexander Karlkbrenner Shireman's a fifty year guy, and they

435
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,639
Speaker 1: can score. And uh, we saw what they did to

436
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,320
Speaker 1: Yukon at home obviously, But I watched them in the

437
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,800
Speaker 1: NCAA tournament last year and I think they're I don't

438
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:45,520
Speaker 1: even think they're a sleeper, but they're a team that

439
00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:46,919
Speaker 1: I think could get to a Final four where they

440
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:47,800
Speaker 1: can score points.

441
00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:50,080
Speaker 2: I like them a lot. I had them. I had

442
00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:51,560
Speaker 2: a lot of money on them in that San Diego

443
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:53,960
Speaker 2: State laws still sticks in my crawl. That being said,

444
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:58,320
Speaker 2: Frand the one massive issue with Creighton is this lack

445
00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:01,280
Speaker 2: of defensive pressure. I think they're dead last in the

446
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:04,240
Speaker 2: country in turnover percentage. So if they play one of

447
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:07,080
Speaker 2: these scrappy teams that picks you up full court or

448
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,520
Speaker 2: half court and they're able to turn you over a

449
00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:11,879
Speaker 2: little bit, and you're putting no pressure on these guys,

450
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,879
Speaker 2: it kind of opens the door for like an ugly

451
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,120
Speaker 2: rock fight, and that's where Creyton gets in trouble.

452
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Speaker 1: No, well, it's possible, but let me tell you about

453
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Speaker 1: turnover percentage. Okay, my good buddy John Caliperry when he

454
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Speaker 1: had these great teams, and maybe even now I don't

455
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 1: follow us closely, but when he was at UMass in Memphis,

456
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,920
Speaker 1: he always was at the bottom of turnover rate for defense.

457
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:33,600
Speaker 1: And you know why because they didn't want to take

458
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,560
Speaker 1: any They packed everything in. Like if you're if you're Craton,

459
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,440
Speaker 1: why would you want to be pressuring all over to court.

460
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:41,240
Speaker 1: First of all, they're not capable. They're not as good

461
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:44,480
Speaker 1: as athletes as maybe some other teams. But the other

462
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 1: thing is they got a shot walker, so you don't

463
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,159
Speaker 1: want to be you know, in other words, you can

464
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,879
Speaker 1: be conservative knowing if they beat you off to the

465
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:55,439
Speaker 1: dribble and you're not getting turned over like Saya Houston

466
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:57,720
Speaker 1: does to you, you still got a seven foot one

467
00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:59,719
Speaker 1: guy there that blocks every shot at the rim. So

468
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,720
Speaker 1: turnover Ray Jason, just a little analytical nugget here for me,

469
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,080
Speaker 1: because I love the analytics. Sometimes it can be an

470
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,879
Speaker 1: overrated stat because you're not gambling to steal it and

471
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,399
Speaker 1: you're just waiting back because if they beat you, go

472
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:14,080
Speaker 1: ahead and go to their basket because I got a

473
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 1: seven foot guy here.

474
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a that's a great point, and I do

475
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Speaker 2: I mean, listen, we could talk all we want about

476
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 2: all these teams. If the matchup is horrible, you know,

477
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:25,479
Speaker 2: then like you know, it's just unlucky. I am curious

478
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,719
Speaker 2: where you stand. We're now, what fifteen minutes into chatting year,

479
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:32,960
Speaker 2: twenty minutes and Duke and UNC haven't come up. And strangely,

480
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,200
Speaker 2: you know, UNC fell off the cliff last year. I

481
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:39,239
Speaker 2: guess they had some internal woes. Duke has been kind

482
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 2: of up and down, but their biggest story this year

483
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 2: was a court storming what's happened with Duke in North Carolina?

484
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Speaker 1: Well, I think they're you know, I think what's happened

485
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:51,400
Speaker 1: is the ACC is not this ACC that I grew

486
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,200
Speaker 1: up with, and so I don't think we really realize

487
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 1: how good they are. Keep in mind, when the ACC

488
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Speaker 1: is at its best, who else is good? Louisville, virgin Terrible,

489
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 1: Florida State, Syracuse? Okay, maybe in some year's Pitt Right

490
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,640
Speaker 1: and occasionally Steve Forbes, my buddy at wake Forrest does

491
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 1: a great job, Brad Barronell and his others, But the

492
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,680
Speaker 1: ACC is not getting its credit because we don't think

493
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Speaker 1: of the league as being a great league this year

494
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Speaker 1: because of what I mentioned. I really like Carolina when

495
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Speaker 1: they get out of the ACC. I really like them.

496
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 1: Why well, they're old, you know, Baycott's been around since

497
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,199
Speaker 1: I think he played with Sam Perkins or gonna be

498
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,879
Speaker 1: right after that. But Bacon's a fifty year guy. They

499
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,440
Speaker 1: added some transfers out are fifty year guys. R J.

500
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,880
Speaker 1: Davis first team All American on most ballots. You'll see

501
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:44,399
Speaker 1: tremendous season, and they play better defense than they have.

502
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,399
Speaker 1: So I like them, I think. And they went into

503
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 1: cameeron give them credit. They've had a great season. And

504
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,400
Speaker 1: then they go into Cameron and sweep Duke. I've been

505
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 1: with Duke. I done one of their games. I think

506
00:25:56,000 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 1: they're dangerous too. I would say this about Duke. They're

507
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 1: still young. And then when people get on Shire, all

508
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:07,159
Speaker 1: I think to myself is not that the same people,

509
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,399
Speaker 1: not the same exact people, but the same type of

510
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 1: people They got on Scott Drew. Scott Drew can't coach,

511
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,920
Speaker 1: believe it or not. In twenty ten and eleven, Jay

512
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 1: Wright can't coach. You know, Shires in his second year.

513
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,919
Speaker 1: He's growing man, He's getting Hasten. He's going to be

514
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 1: coach k I think they're having a very good season.

515
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,159
Speaker 1: I think they're both dangerous tournament teams. Both kPa will

516
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Speaker 1: get into a final four.

517
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 2: Right, So you keep mentioning first team All American, it's

518
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Speaker 2: actually a log gym. I just looked at some potential lists.

519
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 2: So I'm assuming you got zach Ede in there.

520
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,440
Speaker 1: Eight he's a lock Connects a lock, and then after

521
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Speaker 1: that it's flavor of the.

522
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Speaker 2: Month Shed probably, right, I think.

523
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Speaker 1: So we've done a good job of promoting Shed in

524
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Speaker 1: the Big twelve. I mean, you know, and I say

525
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 1: that jokingly, but he's because he's earned every bit of it.

526
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Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean I think because they've been number one,

527
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 1: and they've been in they've gotten so much coverage this year. Yeah,

528
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 1: and and somebody like me who loves the game and

529
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 1: talks about guys when they're when they're young or when

530
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 1: they're coming out of nowhere. I think Shed's gotten his due.

531
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Speaker 1: I believe he won't be on every All American team.

532
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 1: He'll be on most. He'll be a Wooden finalist, he'll

533
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:18,120
Speaker 1: be a Natesmith finalist. So he's three. I think Tristan

534
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 1: Newton should be four. Yep, yeah, because.

535
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Speaker 2: I think the fifth one is tough.

536
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the fifth one, I think to me, I

537
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 1: don't know how you could argue. You can you can argue.

538
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 1: We can always argue about Colick and you'll throw it

539
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,199
Speaker 1: a couple of names at me. Uh, you know, like

540
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 1: mcculla's r J. Davis Well, r J is my fifth.

541
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Speaker 2: Okay, he's your.

542
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 1: Fifth, he's my fifth. And after that, like I think

543
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 1: Tyler Cohlik is fabulous.

544
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 2: Oh I love him.

545
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 1: He's been hurt, mccohr has been hurt. Dickinson hasn't been dominant.

546
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 1: Really good, but not dominant.

547
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 2: Okay, So I was gonna ask you this team is

548
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 2: kind of under the radar, you know. Uh, Anthony Grant's

549
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 2: done a really good job at Dayton. Deron Holmes, who

550
00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 2: is just a beast inside. They don't really know what

551
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 2: their ceiling is. But where are you on Dayton as

552
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 2: one of these like holy cow, I look up in

553
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 2: Dayton's in the Elite eight possible.

554
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 1: You know they're missing that point guard who got hurt

555
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 1: early this summer. Smith. I think I think it's the

556
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 1: brother of the former point guard New York Kid, and

557
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 1: he got hurt before the season. Fabulous season Anthony Grant.

558
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,360
Speaker 1: First of all, it's a great basketball job. A lot

559
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,439
Speaker 1: of people don't realize Anthony was a really good role player.

560
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: I was gonna say great player. Let me put it

561
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 1: this way. In the mid eighties, Frank Martin's former teammate

562
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 1: at Miami High, Anthony Grant was a great role player

563
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: for some great Dayton Flyer teams. And now he's back

564
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 1: after you know, VCU Alabama. I love their team Holmes

565
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 1: as a factor, you know, as far as both on

566
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 1: the defensive and offensive end. They got great fans support.

567
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 1: You know, the league's not great, it's good, so they're

568
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 1: not getting to do which happens every year. But definitely

569
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Speaker 1: one of those teams like some of those Mountain West teams. Yeah,

570
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 1: Dayton reminds me of Nevada and Boise and some of

571
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: those other teams. Utah State, Danny Sprinkle first year there,

572
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 1: he's probably gone getting another job. But I love those teams.

573
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: Those I call them high mid major teams. Okay, that's fair,

574
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 1: high mid major. They're better than a lot of low

575
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 1: high major teams, you know, like fourth in the Big twelve.

576
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: But that puts you in position to go to an

577
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: elite eight.

578
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, certainly. Let me go back to Duke real quick.

579
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 2: I forgot philip Kowski, you know, the whole trip thing.

580
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 2: Where are you on that? I mean, he's had some

581
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,479
Speaker 2: weird controversy. I don't know, he's ben called like Grayson Allen. Now,

582
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 2: you know nobody wants that, Moniker. I'm just curious where

583
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 2: you are, Like, was that incidental? Did it look a

584
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 2: little fishy?

585
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 1: Well? He tripped the guy the other night and I didn't. Yeah,

586
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: I saw the highlight that should have been a flagrant

587
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 1: one easily. Yeah. I heard they didn't review it.

588
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 2: Oh really, I don't.

589
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 1: Think they reviewed it. But I was so busy in

590
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 1: the Big twelve the other night. But I was with

591
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 1: Duke Girle in the year. Philipowski absolutely a kid that

592
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 1: if he's like Hunter Dickinson, if he's your guy, you

593
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 1: love him. Yeah, and the other the other twelve teams

594
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 1: or whatever in the league that you can't stand him.

595
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: And he's got that edge that I've seen, like, you know,

596
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: Crason Allen had it, you know, Marcus Smart had it right. Yeah,

597
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 1: you don't like the edge unless he's on your team.

598
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: And so there's an edge to him that is there.

599
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 1: It's probably made him a good player. The court storm

600
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 1: he's a different story.

601
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's it.

602
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 1: That's a different story because I don't know if you

603
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 1: remember the name Mike Curtis, look him up afterwards. Okay,

604
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 1: Mike Curtis wore number thirty two for the Baltimore Colts.

605
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 1: Icronically enough, he's a duchie. Oh and ironically he's a

606
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 1: borderline Hall of Famer. Make sure you google him after this.

607
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 1: Mike Curtis. Mike Curtis is the guy. When I was

608
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 1: a kid watching a Baltimore cult playoff game one year

609
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 1: in the early seventies, a fan ran on the field,

610
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: like you know, the offense was in the huddle, defenses

611
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: at the line of scrimmage, sucking wind. Quarter guy comes

612
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: on the field takes the football. Well, good old Mike Kerb.

613
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 1: Curtis sees the guy pick up the football and nails him. Wow,

614
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 1: lace him out. And here's here's the moral of the story.

615
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm okay with court stormings. Okay, if

616
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 1: it's controlled with security. When you're running on the court,

617
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: that's the player's court man. And if you get the

618
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 1: crap knocked out of you by Kyle Philipowski. Tough crap

619
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 1: to get you know, so court stormings. Okay, I get it.

620
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: I love joy. I'm a joy guy when it comes

621
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 1: to college hoops. But you can't walk Kyle Philipowski running

622
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 1: into the guy or maybe even elbowing him, because Mike

623
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 1: Curtis or Marcus Smart would have leveled that guy.

624
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, hell yeah, I would.

625
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 1: Have loved it. I would have loved it because stay

626
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: off my court.

627
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, and stay out of my face.

628
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, stay out of you know, it's not a place

629
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 1: of business. I guess what, Nil, it is a place

630
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: of business down you know what I mean. But it's court,

631
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: you know. Come on, the guys are trying to get

632
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 1: off the court, and I don't care if Philipowski Chief

633
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 1: shot at them or not. Don't be on the court.

634
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: And if you agree, deal with the consequences of getting

635
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: getting leveled.

636
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. Let me go to two teams that flamed out

637
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 2: early last year fran that are once again top six

638
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 2: teams by most analytical measures, and that's Edie and Purdue

639
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 2: and Arizona. I will admit I did a Calcutta where

640
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 2: you and your team bid on teams and we had

641
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 2: Arizona and they lose in the first round, and it's

642
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 2: a significant loss. It sucked Perdue, you know, just Choke City.

643
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 2: I wonder about their guard play. Do you see either

644
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 2: of those two being like a UVA where UVA gets

645
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 2: bounced in the first round and I believe the next

646
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 2: year they won the title.

647
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I don't. I mean, I love Matt Painter

648
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: is one of the giant giants of our profession right now.

649
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 1: And speaking of giants, I love Zach Edi. You know

650
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: how many guys. When's the last time a guy was

651
00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 1: two time Player of a Year. I can't remember, No,

652
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 1: twenty years or so. But I love what Zach Edy's done.

653
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: Their guards are good. Smith and Lawyer are good offensively,

654
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 1: but I worry about their team defense as far as

655
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 1: athleticism on the perimeter. They got some guys that are

656
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 1: athletic on the front line, and I love what they do,

657
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 1: and they're capable easily at getting to a final four.

658
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: I just worry about their athleticism, you know, against Sayah Houston,

659
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 1: you know a team like that. I saw Houston on Saturday.

660
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: Absolutely take Hunter Dickinson out of the game. Now Hunter's

661
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: only seven too. You know, and the other guy, the

662
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 1: other guy, the other guy yaoming, Okay, the other guy,

663
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: you know, let's face it. But I would love to

664
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 1: see them get to a final four Purdue because I

665
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 1: love Matt Painter. He is the class of our profession

666
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: right now. And Arizona, there's something about them I don't like.

667
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's cable love effect, but they

668
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 1: lose games they shouldn't lose. They're really talented. I don't

669
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 1: think they're that talented. Actually, I just think the Pac

670
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 1: twelfth and was hot and cold. He could get thirty

671
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: one night, and then he could take too many shots,

672
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 1: too many bad shots, and hurt you. And I think

673
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 1: Arizona's kind of walking a fine line because he's talented

674
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 1: enough to carry you far. But we used to say

675
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: about guys like him, and again he's borderline. He's really

676
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 1: an All American season Sometimes he keeps both teams in

677
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: the game.

678
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, definitely true. I'll never forget. That's the

679
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 2: guy I had UCLA two years ago and he went

680
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 2: postal late in the game, ended up with thirty I

681
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,280
Speaker 2: think it was a sweet sixteen or whatever, second round maybe,

682
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 2: and then he again did it to Duke a couple

683
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 2: of rounds later in the final four. I think with

684
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 2: like twenty eight points, so he can or he can

685
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 2: get volcanic. But like you said, if he has like

686
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,760
Speaker 2: a two for fifteen game, he's not gonna stop shooting.

687
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 1: No, he's not, and that you know, that's an issue.

688
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 1: But and I do think that's the reason they have

689
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 1: been so up and down this year is because you know,

690
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 1: it's a little girl with the curl. When she's good,

691
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: she's very good, right, and it's the same pay oh

692
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 1: by King, But that.

693
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 2: At the same time, Yeah, I'm sure you remember the

694
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 2: Princeton loss last year. They just had no offense, like

695
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 2: nobody can create, nobody could do anything. And now you

696
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 2: kind of add love and I think that kind of

697
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,399
Speaker 2: prevents you from being in one of these fifty point

698
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 2: fifty five to fifty three kind of games.

699
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,800
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, But I also think they've lost games. Like

700
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 1: you know, losing to Washington State is one thing, but

701
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 1: losing to them twice they just got beat by somebody

702
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 1: else that they shouldn't have gotten beat by. Maybe USC.

703
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 1: I think it was USC over the weekend. That shouldn't

704
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 1: happen to a team that we think is a Final

705
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 1: four caliber team, but certainly their mercurial and mercurial talented

706
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:32,359
Speaker 1: teams can certainly get hot at the right time.

707
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,280
Speaker 2: All right, we'll wrap up with two teams. Saint John's.

708
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 2: You know the program a little bit. Rick Patino has

709
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 2: done a good job. They had a brutal stretch January February.

710
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 2: I don't know that they're a lock for the tournament.

711
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 2: They got some work to do, but they could get

712
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 2: hot in the Biggiast tournament.

713
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: No absolutely, I said when he goes was hired. Obviously

714
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 1: it's a place I coached at. Rick will have Saint

715
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: John's in a Sweet sixteen by the end of the

716
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: year two. And my prophecy there is looking pretty good

717
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 1: right now. And then you know, he's one of the

718
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 1: we're not really close. We should be two Italian guys

719
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: from New York, both coach at Providence. Never really been

720
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 1: close to Rick, just because of circumstance, but I admire

721
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 1: him from a distance. He's a great coach. He's one

722
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 1: of the greatest coaches, probably top ten college coaches of

723
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 1: all time. You're talking about Wooden to Knight, and you

724
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: know Skrzyzewski and certainly Rick's in that deal. He's in

725
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 1: that pantheon, so so a nothing surprises me. Him yelling

726
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 1: at his team and saying that he couldn't guard, and

727
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, they run a six game streak.

728
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 1: That's Rick Patino, That's that's classic Rick. Yeah, they're very dangerous.

729
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 1: They got to get in. They got it. They definitely

730
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 1: have to get in now into the field. And once

731
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 1: they get into the field, could they get to a

732
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: sweet sixteen maybe a year earlier than I thought. Yes,

733
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 1: they have great nil situation there. They will get good

734
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: players that want to play for Rick.

735
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 2: Wow, it's high praise. I'll wrap up with the team

736
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 2: that's super dangerous Kentucky. Yeah. I don't think we've talked

737
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 2: about them. They have it feels like more weapons than anybody,

738
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,839
Speaker 2: and they can explode, but they also don't defend right.

739
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 1: Their defense for much of the season, and it's gotten

740
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:14,359
Speaker 1: better lately, was atrocious. And I would probably attribute that

741
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: to just so many young players. And you know, again

742
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:19,359
Speaker 1: we get back to the old guys. The old guys

743
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 1: who've been around three four, five years. They've been in

744
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: shell drill like their whole life. You know, all these

745
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 1: little basic defensive drills you do with guys to build

746
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: your defense. You know, these these older teams have done that.

747
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 1: Kentucky's guys Dillingham, Shepherd's a good defender, but the overall

748
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 1: team can really score. Obviously, the lengths improved with the

749
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,320
Speaker 1: big hit of Croatia. There's a lot to like about Kentucky.

750
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: They've probably been more mercurial than Arizona in that they

751
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,319
Speaker 1: win a game, they're not think they're gonna win, and

752
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: they lose an inexplicable game, and I think you chalk

753
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: that up to the youth and inexperience. I will say this,

754
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 1: Jason U. The one thing they got going for them

755
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 1: is coach cal and he's had some flameouts, but for

756
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 1: the most part he's like like a good jockey, like Patino,

757
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 1: like Izo. There's a certain rhythm to march about how

758
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: long you practice, what are you doing between the two

759
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 1: games when you have forty eight hours. There's a certain

760
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 1: rhythm that certain guys are really good at, and John

761
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: has been pretty good at the march rhythm. You know,

762
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 1: my man Rothstein says, you know it's it's January, February,

763
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 1: iso April.

764
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 2: May, right, right right, I've heard that, Yeah, Yeah.

765
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 1: There's certain guys that just are good in March, and

766
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 1: I think John is one of those guys.

767
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 2: Not lately though, that's that. I mean again, he's had

768
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 2: young teams. Let me ask you, though they have three,

769
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 2: their backquart is essentially three awesome guards. Yeah, Dillingham freshman,

770
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 2: Shepherd freshman, DJ Wagner freshman. Now, I know Reves reeves

771
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 2: it had some experience, but I mean he was he

772
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 2: twenty three years old, like I like that, but surrounded

773
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 2: by three and I'm talking aggressive guys who are probably

774
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 2: gonna be pros. Yeah, all thinking about the wanting their shot,

775
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 2: you know.

776
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think you know, I wouldn't worry about that.

777
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: John's been great at that. You know, hey, anybody who

778
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 1: can bring Devin Booker off the bench and have the

779
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 1: kid not complain about it? Right? Remember hyer Ulis started over.

780
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:18,839
Speaker 1: He doesn't cook it. And I don't think Devon ever

781
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 1: started a single game in his one year at Kentucky.

782
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 1: I'm almost positive of that. And he's already a Hall

783
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:26,479
Speaker 1: of Fame. I mean, all started, it's going to probably

784
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 1: be all it's probably gonna be a Hall of Famer. So, no,

785
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 1: nobody's better at checking egos at the door. Don't forget man,

786
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 1: when they look in their bank accounts. We never could

787
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 1: I could never say this without getting in trouble. But

788
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 1: now I can say it because it's legal. When those

789
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 1: kids look at their nil bank accounts, they're good because

790
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: they all those three kids all know they're gonna be

791
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: in the NBA someday. Yeah, so igst that beautifully.

792
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:53,479
Speaker 2: Most of the time you you mentioned nil, I'll ask.

793
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 2: So there is a lot of like, oh, these guys

794
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 2: are getting nil money. They're getting so much. He's making

795
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 2: two million, he's making three. I don't know, do you

796
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 2: have I have an idea of what a kid? And

797
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 2: again I'm not looking at this spot. I'm just curious.

798
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 2: It's a way DJ Wagner had a huge name. Yeah,

799
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 2: Shepherd didn't have as big of a name. Dillingham looks

800
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 2: like he's probably the best of the three. But I

801
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 2: am just curious, Like, I don't know, what do you

802
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:17,280
Speaker 2: think they make for the year being a freshman?

803
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: Like are they reading this? I'm reading this book right now,

804
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: Rex Chapman. It's a great book about Rex's addictions. And

805
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 1: you know, you know, Rex was a great player, a

806
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: Kentucky NBA, and it's a great read Seth Davis and

807
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 1: Red Rex, and Rex talks about how much he made

808
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 1: to Kentucky forty years ago. I mean, we all knew.

809
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 1: You know, my wife went to SMU. So at SMU,

810
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 1: NIL means now it's legal. Okay. See, So here's my point.

811
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: I don't know what all these guys are getting. It's

812
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 1: like a it's like a Wild West out there. Yeah,

813
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,240
Speaker 1: I know, like certain NIL programs are better than others,

814
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 1: but the reality is most of these kids in the

815
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: power conferences now are getting paid legally. I think the

816
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 1: people that are most upset about NIL the teams that

817
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 1: were cheating before, because now I got like, I know

818
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 1: Rick Barnes. I know coach Barnes. He's never cheated at Tennessee,

819
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 1: Texas or Clemson, I promise you. But Tennessee now has

820
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,839
Speaker 1: an incredible NIL program because of football. So now Rick

821
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,320
Speaker 1: is right there with the guys that were cheating all along.

822
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:23,320
Speaker 1: And that's why that's why Tennessee is continuing to recruit.

823
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 1: So it's legal now. God bless the kids they did.

824
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: They deserve it. I have no idea what these guys

825
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: are getting on an individual.

826
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 2: Basis, It's interesting because like Dalton connect probably got to

827
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 2: go Big Sky to Tennessee. Who just used round number.

828
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 2: Let's say you got five hundred thousand dollars. Yeah, and

829
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 2: if that's crazy, we can go to one hundred whatever.

830
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 1: I would say he didn't get five hundred, but he

831
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 1: could have rednegotiated on January first.

832
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 2: Yes, so fine, let's say he got two fifty to

833
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 2: go Big Sky to Tennessee. I guarantee you that pales

834
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:54,280
Speaker 2: into what Shepherd and Wagner and Dillingham got without a doubt.

835
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: Well, listen, Rex Chapman talked about a couple hundred thousand

836
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 1: in the eighties, and that's that's when it was illegal,

837
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: but we all knew it was going on. Yeah, and

838
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 1: now now it's illegal, and you're talking about a seven

839
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: million dollar quarterback here or you know, a million dollars

840
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 1: for this guy, And and everybody I talked to in

841
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 1: the coaching profession are asking each other what do you

842
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 1: think he's getting? What do you think he's getting? How

843
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: much you think they're doing over here?

844
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 2: So nobody really knows.

845
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 1: Nobody, that's the thing. Nobody really has a handle on it,

846
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,839
Speaker 1: which is the problem because.

847
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 2: Because then if you just inflate it in the press

848
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 2: and everybody thinks you're getting this, and then boom, you're

849
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:30,839
Speaker 2: getting more than whatever you.

850
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,360
Speaker 1: Think and then you're unhappy.

851
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, then you want to transfer.

852
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's the you know, we're we're in the

853
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 1: wild West right now. I don't think we're putting a

854
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 1: genie back in the bottle. I think we'll have pro

855
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 1: sports here, like I think the I think the SEC

856
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: the Big Ten are going to be uh semi pro.

857
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 1: I think if the NFL were smart, they would just

858
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 1: buy up those two conferences and make them a minor

859
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:57,280
Speaker 1: league and let everybody else play in C double A sports.

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Speaker 1: Because you know what we have right now. It's Alabama, Georgia,

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00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:05,280
Speaker 1: you know, Michigan, Ohio State. Come on, that's semi pro football.

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00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know you're right, you know, real quick, just

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00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 2: to wrap up, since you brought up Rex Chapman, I

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00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:13,919
Speaker 2: forgot I was too young or to know how good

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00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 2: of a high school play. I'm assuming he was a

866
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:19,320
Speaker 2: massive superstar. I just read Kentucky Gatorway played the year. Yeah,

867
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,399
Speaker 2: everybody wanted he was like the real deal.

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00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 1: Huh, the real deal because he was also you know,

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00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 1: like we always stereotype. Like I remember doing doing an

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00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: NBA combine once with Mark Jones. We were there together

871
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 1: and like Pat Connaton won. He was now in the NBA.

872
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 1: He won the he was the highest vertical lead. You know,

873
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: a white guy, right. So I always like to go reverse.

874
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:46,399
Speaker 1: I always say, like, you know, like, hey, this white kid,

875
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 1: I say, man, he's so athletic, right, and whereas the

876
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: African American kid, you go, man, this kid is so cerebral,

877
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 1: you know, and like so like. But but Rex was

878
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 1: truly I'll probably get in trouble for this, but not really.

879
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 1: He was a black kid in a white guy's body.

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00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: I mean, he he had He was athletic, he was skilled,

881
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 1: he had swag, you kind of like the guy that

882
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 1: we watched growing up. And he that's what That's what

883
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 1: made him so good was he could go And he

884
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 1: talks about that in the book, in his in his

885
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 1: little town Owensboro, Kentucky, when you went to the other

886
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 1: side of the tracks, that's where he got his game.

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Speaker 2: I got to check out this book.

888
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's a good read. It's a quick read,

889
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 1: and it's more dark because of rex problems with addictions

890
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 1: and you know, gambling, and but anyway, yeah, Rex was

891
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 1: the real deal in the pre Internet age. He was

892
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 1: way ahead of his time. He he was before Slammed,

893
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:43,320
Speaker 1: he was before Twitter. Rex was you know, remember Sebastian Telfair.

894
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean.

895
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Speaker 1: Sebastian was from New York. But Rex was five times

896
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 1: bigger than Sebastian, you know, I mean Rex, he was

897
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 1: like a rock star.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, I love these story I love the turnback college youbes.

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Speaker 2: You know, Frank, it's weird. I love so much, like

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00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 2: I love college basketball as much as I love the

901
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 2: NBA In the eighties when I was learning about it,

902
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 2: you know, Patrick Ewing was the first guy I saw,

903
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:08,839
Speaker 2: and then it was like nineties. I love those Duke

904
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 2: teams Fab five.

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00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

906
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 2: So I'm like a massive junkie for college hoops. And

907
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 2: I know, you you announce it and you're plugged in,

908
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 2: and it's just it's there's so much out there now

909
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 2: with sports, and you know, I got kids and the

910
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,720
Speaker 2: video games and you know, streaming and all this stuff.

911
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 2: It's just tough for me to consume as much as

912
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 2: I used to. But man, when the tournament arrives, you know,

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Speaker 2: I just feel like it's the great it's the best

914
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 2: thing on the calendar this year, better than the Olympics,

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00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 2: better than the super Bowl. March Man, nothing could touch it.

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Speaker 1: It's awesome. For those of us in basketball, we think

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Speaker 1: it's March madness. Others say the college football playoff, you know,

918
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 1: super Bowl. Hey, that's what we love about sports. It's

919
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,359
Speaker 1: kind of a you know, it's a it's a you know, right,

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00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,879
Speaker 1: a passage. Right February now is the super Bowl. March

921
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:55,359
Speaker 1: is March madness. Masters after that, you know, then we'll

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Speaker 1: be going to talking about football, training camps, baseball. March madness.

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00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 1: To me, it's been part of my life for forty years,

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00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 1: so yeah, nothing like it to me.

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Speaker 2: Good stuff, Fran, Thanks a lot, and enjoy the madness

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Speaker 2: that is March. Always a pleasure, Jason, Great great stuff

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Speaker 2: from Fran Frischiella. I'll do a quick programming note because

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Speaker 2: I forgot to mention at the outset. This will be

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Speaker 2: the last podcast for the week. As you know, the

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00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:21,399
Speaker 2: diehard listeners know, I am moving this week and I'm

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00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 2: powering down no herd, no podcast basically only gambling college basketball,

932
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Speaker 2: and I'm not gonna be able to do the podcast.

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Speaker 2: We'll be back Monday, obviously that is bracket Monday. That'll

934
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Speaker 2: be off the hook. Last couple years we had Jason

935
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 2: lisk On, former Big Lead employee who is doing some

936
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:44,359
Speaker 2: gambling stuff a team rankings. Maybe we'll effort to get

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00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,840
Speaker 2: him back on Monday, or we just roll with the brackets,

938
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Speaker 2: but either way, safe gambling this weekend, folks. You need me,

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00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 2: I'm on the I'm on the Gram, I'm on Twitter,

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00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:55,760
Speaker 2: not really on Twitter, but i'm there. Have a safe weekend.