1 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 1: Welcome to Ja dot M, a production of Our Heartwayer. 2 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:23,920 Speaker 1: What's up, y'all? This is the Lady Jill Scott. This 3 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 1: is the podcast Jacob with My by Melia Aga Great 4 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 1: and Don Slave of the group Kindred, the Family's Soul 5 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 1: and they know me on the black Top as the 6 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 1: Mother of All and Man's Dance. The kids come on. 7 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: Oh and uh Margaret La Saint Clair, daughter of Karema 8 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 1: and rons boom boom. Who's up y'all? To listen? We 9 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 1: are here to chit chat. You know. We were here 10 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 1: to spark communication, to spark conversation. Today we are going 11 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 1: to be talking about this this what is this? This 12 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: like no knap culture, no rest, hustle, hustle culture, busy, 13 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 1: stay grinded, stay grinding. It's a perfect day to talk 14 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:20,759 Speaker 1: about it because I ain't gonna I'm tired of ship 15 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:27,960 Speaker 1: and now it's in the spirit and the body and 16 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:31,320 Speaker 1: post rona. Everybody's on zoom and so everybody is accessible. 17 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: You can do with you at home. Right. Speaking of 18 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 1: just of today, we all are aware that the hare 19 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 1: will be no one prosecuted for the murder of Brianna Taylor, 20 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: no one, no one, And uh we we like you 21 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: just feel that, you just feel that carry that weight 22 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: in you. Hashtag loving on a black woman today. That's 23 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 1: been the spirit. Oh is that has that been going 24 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: around today? Yes? Well from Yeah, I actually heard that 25 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:14,920 Speaker 1: on the radio, calling men of all colors and just 26 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 1: love on a black woman today. Mm hmm. You know, 27 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 1: normally we don't we don't try to date these things. 28 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: But there's so much going on in our world, so 29 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: much happening in this country that I feel, I feel exhausted. 30 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 1: I do. It's it's a mental, emotional, spiritual exhaustion. And 31 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: I know, you know, we're here in the United States 32 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 1: and it's all about grind harder and uh and and 33 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 1: and part of me does believe in that that you know, 34 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 1: you have to work harder than everybody else. That's a 35 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:55,920 Speaker 1: part of it. Yeah, I agree, if you want to 36 00:02:55,919 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: get where you want to go, But baby needs sleep sometime, 37 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: Baby need to stop. Baby need a good rocking yourself 38 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 1: to sleep before you're locking yourself in the corner of 39 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 1: the room. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean the whole thing 40 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: about exhaustion and and even tying it into like racial 41 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 1: exhaustion or gender exhaustion or just the exhaustion that comes 42 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 1: from capitalistic society, and that says that you'll only get 43 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 1: to where you want to go if you pull yourself 44 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: up by your own bootstraps, if you grind hard, if 45 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: you're the first one there in the morning and the 46 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: last one gone at night. And you know, the historical 47 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: ties to that type of mythology is just so ingrained 48 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 1: in us as a society. And for those of us 49 00:03:56,080 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: who are women and those of us who are black. Um, 50 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: we find ourselves caught in the middle of trying to 51 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 1: be and achieve all that we can and not always 52 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: understand that that is a myth and that it is 53 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 1: a lie. And now we kill ourselves for that which 54 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:19,039 Speaker 1: was never meant for us to achieve. And then we 55 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 1: have to sit back and find room to imagine a 56 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 1: space that says, well, what does it look like for me? 57 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 1: What does a successful life and a peaceful life and 58 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 1: a achieved life look for me? And how do I 59 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:42,719 Speaker 1: define that? And that is you know, feels to me 60 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: to be the question of the day. Having a paper bag, oh, ma'am, oh, yes, 61 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 1: and paper bag. Paper bag is perfect. That's a perfect 62 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: way to describe it, because a paper bag is so delicate, 63 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:06,559 Speaker 1: you shake it something else, a little bit of grease 64 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:21,359 Speaker 1: making weak. Baby. We are in a new paper bag 65 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 1: and it's all kinds of seasoning up in here, and 66 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 1: the bag is just rickety rickety. Everything has to change. 67 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 1: And I know you know, I'm no ways weary. You 68 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 1: know we even we've been singing these songs, the gospel songs. 69 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 1: I'm no ways tired, no ways weary. I just cannot 70 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:50,239 Speaker 1: grasp how any human being doesn't need to refuel. Maybe 71 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 1: it's not sleep for you. There are a lot of people, 72 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: especially young people, younger people than than I, that you know, 73 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:59,040 Speaker 1: have all this energy, can get up and do the most, 74 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:04,160 Speaker 1: and often I admire that. And while you have it, 75 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:08,479 Speaker 1: that's what's up. I would say the twenties are for 76 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 1: working hard. Do that. The thirties are for working uh smart. 77 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:23,159 Speaker 1: The forties are for working when you want to and 78 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: how you want to. And that's the that's the dream, 79 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 1: that's the okay better yet, yeah, the goal and the 80 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 1: fifties are you know, that's up to you however you 81 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 1: want to play that. If you want to continue to 82 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:38,840 Speaker 1: work how you want, when you want, that's what's up. 83 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 1: If you choose not to work at all and travel 84 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:43,480 Speaker 1: the world and hang out with your family and friends 85 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 1: and things like that. That's the way I see it. 86 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 1: But I'm I'm hitting about to be fifty and I'm 87 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 1: still you know, working, But my good friends, I am 88 00:06:55,600 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 1: also taking a nap on the daily. I take naps. 89 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:09,040 Speaker 1: I gotta tell you that, you know. And we spoke 90 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 1: about this personally between the two, between the three of 91 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: us that you know, the discovery of the nat Bishop 92 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 1: on Instagram has definitely changed my personal life. Then that 93 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 1: bishop bishop, yes, girl, then that bishop first bishop. But 94 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 1: in that bishop is the woman that runs the NA ministry, right, 95 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 1: and it would have been lovely to have her on 96 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 1: the show to talk about this this sleep revolution, this 97 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 1: that revolution. However, she is a preacher of her own gospel, 98 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: and she has taken all that she's gonna taken for 99 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 1: in terms of work and spreading this this message and 100 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: taken on And I think her absence in this moment 101 00:07:56,240 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 1: is actually even more profound than her presence because times 102 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 1: I find that we particularly as Black women, have these 103 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: transformative messages and we're able to come up with this 104 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: these brilliant theories, this brilliant philosophy, and yet we find 105 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 1: it very difficult to live that philosophy for ourselves, mostly 106 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: because the world has is in such need of our 107 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 1: presence and such need of our of what we bring 108 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: to the table, that we just can't we can't fathom 109 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 1: how to do that. So I think her absence here 110 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 1: drives home the message that your brilliance is essential, but 111 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 1: your presence is not always so Wait, I want you 112 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 1: to reiterate that Asian, because you said that's so fast. 113 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: But we had discussed the fact I forgot. We discussed 114 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:46,959 Speaker 1: the fact that she's taken a break and she's not 115 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 1: She has decided that she is not working for the 116 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 1: rest of the year, which I found like, how why, 117 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: well she's she's taken all of the work in which 118 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 1: she has allotted. That is o fee for her. Right? 119 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 1: Right is the goal to work how you want, when 120 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 1: you want. When the question is at what point in 121 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:18,319 Speaker 1: life does that become the goal? Is that the revolutionary 122 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 1: way that you think from the gate? Because we discussed 123 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 1: and we all learn this together, trust me, we're on 124 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 1: the same page. You work hard your twenties, smart your 125 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 1: thirties when you want to your forties. But if the 126 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 1: thinking is that blackness has no age, it has no gender, 127 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: it has no I mean, what has it has all 128 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 1: these things because there's agism and gender, all that stuff. 129 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 1: The point is that blackness and our experience here and 130 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:43,200 Speaker 1: our experience as a labor class, even if he wasn't 131 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:46,079 Speaker 1: just even if we weren't black people, that we're all 132 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: victims of this system. So does that have to start 133 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 1: at a certain point in your life? Can you start 134 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 1: to implement these life changes in this life? You know, 135 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 1: philosophy from the gate. I talked to my son today 136 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 1: and I said to him, he is asking me advice 137 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 1: about his career and about you know, school, and just 138 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 1: his plans for the next year because he's twenty one. 139 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 1: And he said, I know it feels crazy. Come on 140 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 1: now back he uh. And I said to him, I said, well, 141 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 1: do you feel under any pressure to get all of 142 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:26,319 Speaker 1: these things done? And he said, no, I know, it's 143 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: up to he said, I know, it's up to me 144 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 1: how it goes from here. You know what else? I 145 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 1: think I think that I think that we get tired 146 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 1: of moving when it isn't necessarily the right thing for 147 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: you anymore. I had the aim in hands up. Yeah, 148 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 1: I mean, we change, we evolved, we grow, we want 149 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: different things as we move along, new people come into 150 00:10:56,559 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: our lives, and maybe that thing that you were so 151 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 1: impassionate about, uh ten years ago, it's not the same. 152 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 1: It's not the thing. Maybe you've learned something, maybe you've 153 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 1: unlearned something, you know, and you want to move in 154 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:16,559 Speaker 1: a different direction. I do believe in following that passion, 155 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: and not I don't. I don't get this. Uh. I 156 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 1: believe in grinding, let me be clear, But grinding for 157 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 1: something that you actually believe in want m not just 158 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 1: because it makes you money. You're going to burn out 159 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 1: if you don't let it, especially because we all grind it. 160 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, still am still are. Yeah, it's something, but 161 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 1: it's some things that I love to do, and I 162 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:53,679 Speaker 1: in my schedule, hey listen, in my schedule, I make 163 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 1: it a point to have some naptime. I don't care 164 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 1: if it's quiet time. I don't care, you know, if 165 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:01,319 Speaker 1: it's stretched time. But it's my time and I need it. 166 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: I need it. But so I wanted to share this 167 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 1: little thing with you guys, because we did. You know, 168 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 1: we're not gonna spend the whole show, obviously speaking on 169 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 1: a nappy, Bishop but I want to bring up some 170 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 1: of her words in this moment though, as we talk 171 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 1: about finding that balance between the grind and the the replenish. 172 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:27,679 Speaker 1: So she says on her Instagram page, this is about 173 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 1: more than naps. We are attempting to disrupt a toxic 174 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 1: system that ties our worth to how much we produce. 175 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 1: Our bodies do not belong to capitalism. We know better 176 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:56,839 Speaker 1: rest and resist, don't Ladies, How do you fight? It's exhausted, 177 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:00,080 Speaker 1: and it's it's very It's also very American too. I 178 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 1: was It's funny when I was preparing for this show. 179 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 1: I was looking at we forget about Siesta's and uh 180 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:07,560 Speaker 1: in Europe they do. Uh. I forget the name of there. 181 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 1: But it's all over the world. There's some form of 182 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 1: nap or rest that us as Americans just do not. 183 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 1: We don't believe them. No, you know, I always got 184 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 1: to take it back to Butuana, Yes, and in Ba 185 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I will tell you forever that my 186 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 1: time in Africa really really changed my mind about a 187 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 1: lot of things, a lot of about a lot of things, 188 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 1: particularly time and space. Their fat family means more than money, 189 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 1: Time together means more. Raising your children means more than money. 190 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:57,560 Speaker 1: We It's so crazy to me that you know, when 191 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 1: the settlers or the pilgrims or whatever you to call them, 192 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 1: what do you call him? The h colonizing hal and 193 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 1: nice and colonizers colonizers. When the colonizers came, you know, 194 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:17,560 Speaker 1: they looked at these these people as savages, but they 195 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 1: actually uh know how to live. How to live that 196 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 1: is major and we as American African Americans, if you will, 197 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 1: we we don't know how to do it. We know 198 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 1: how to follow the trend, we know how to to 199 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 1: walk their walk, the colonizers walk, but we don't know 200 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 1: how to exist yet. We're still catching up to majorly. 201 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 1: We still have post traumatic stress disorder. Well yeah, I 202 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 1: mean carrying it and walking around with it. Oh yes, 203 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 1: I mean even even the the different stages that we've 204 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 1: gone through to um, you know, to to find and 205 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 1: make some sort of sense of this life here and 206 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 1: how to live it. And you know, at first thinking, oh, 207 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: if we're represented in this society, then we'll be okay, right, 208 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 1: and it's and maybe that desire to be represented here, 209 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 1: it you know, has pulled us further away from that 210 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 1: energy that we know to be true you know that 211 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: that thing that's innate in us, that thing that's that's 212 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 1: culturally that we brought with us, you know that that 213 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 1: that desire to be represented there says oh, I have 214 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 1: to find the best, the quote unquote best best according 215 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 1: to the society we live in, which is based on 216 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 1: we all know what. That's based on the best of 217 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 1: the best of us. And it's like, we gotta shift 218 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 1: what we think the best is. If we think the 219 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 1: best is this thing, well kill ourselves trying to be 220 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 1: it and still be accepted and still won't be accepted 221 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 1: by the way. I still won't be accepted by the way. Um. 222 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 1: One of our great local DJs here, miss Patty Jackson, 223 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 1: she got on the radio on her show the other 224 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 1: day and where he was earlier today and said something like, um, 225 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 1: talking about Time magazine, the people have made the cover 226 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 1: of Time about being the most influential people, and she 227 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: said she thought maybe that it should have been all 228 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 1: the people who had passed from co Fit m as 229 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 1: being the most influential. And I thought that that was, um, 230 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 1: you know, profound, because who we decide is influential, who 231 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 1: we decide is you know, important to culture, pushing culture 232 00:16:55,200 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: forward our society, it gets further and further away from people. Yeah, 233 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:05,719 Speaker 1: you know, the masses, those of us who you know 234 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 1: are not able to be, you know, acknowledged in that 235 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:12,160 Speaker 1: way that centered around you know, that kind of excellence 236 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 1: or whatever. That excellence looks like it's rough. It's rough 237 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 1: out here. So we need time. I'm I'm working on dialect, 238 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:41,400 Speaker 1: coaching and things, getting ready for ready to play Mahellia Jackson. 239 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:46,479 Speaker 1: And she says, right before they have the dream speech. 240 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 1: She says, Martin, tell him about the dream. Tell him 241 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 1: about the dream, Madin, And and that's the point you 242 00:17:55,320 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 1: gotta rest. There's so many ideas, brilliant ideas, storylines, melodies, 243 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 1: all kinds of information and creativity comes through in your dreams. 244 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 1: You're working so hard that your body just collapses. And 245 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 1: then you get up and you do the same thing 246 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:20,359 Speaker 1: all over again. You work so hard, you grind so hard, 247 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 1: and then you you're having issues wondering why your your 248 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 1: head is clouded, or why you have writer's block. Lay 249 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:32,119 Speaker 1: your ass down for for spell if you will, you 250 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 1: know you need it. That we obviously we're all in 251 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:39,360 Speaker 1: the same position, like we're all here agreeing with each other. 252 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:42,439 Speaker 1: You know which well, in in the in the in 253 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 1: the spirit of disagreement or healthy debate, you know what 254 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 1: what should be said when a person says, look, I 255 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:52,880 Speaker 1: can't I don't have time to rest. Rest, They don't eat, 256 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:56,880 Speaker 1: I rest, My children don't get cared for. I mean, 257 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:00,679 Speaker 1: there are those of rest has become know a habit 258 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:03,200 Speaker 1: of the privileged, you know what I'm saying, And so 259 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:07,679 Speaker 1: that time, time and rest, you know, your access to 260 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 1: it is directed to your privilege in society. So what 261 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 1: about those people? But don't you think it's both sides though. 262 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:17,439 Speaker 1: It's interesting though. It's like, yeah, there's that, there's that, 263 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:21,399 Speaker 1: But then there's also the super duper successful who explain, 264 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:24,199 Speaker 1: I don't rest. I'm always working. I wake up at 265 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 1: four o'clock in the morning to make sure I'm looking 266 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 1: at the stock market and doing this. So then there's 267 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 1: also the flip side of people looking to them and going, 268 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:32,879 Speaker 1: if I want to achieve this, this is what I 269 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:35,879 Speaker 1: gotta do. It's just interesting. I mean, it's this is 270 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 1: interesting and it's on both sides like that, like, yeah, 271 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: I think it's really up to you. What is it 272 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:47,119 Speaker 1: that you need? Where we keep trying to follow, you know, 273 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:50,440 Speaker 1: what everybody else is following, just following the trend. What 274 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 1: do you need? You need rest and lay your ass 275 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:57,159 Speaker 1: down and try to plan a schedule in a life 276 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:00,239 Speaker 1: for yourself where you can actually rest. You know. You 277 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 1: know that the more children that you have, um the 278 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 1: more likely you are to be exhausted, you know, the 279 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:09,640 Speaker 1: more you'll have to work or you know, the more 280 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 1: you'll need some help. You know. Try to plan for 281 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 1: what it is that you want in this life. Think 282 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 1: about what it is you know, you'd like to get 283 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:20,879 Speaker 1: a nap. Then that's that takes a certain kind of life. 284 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:23,400 Speaker 1: You know, it may take some time to get there, 285 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 1: but that's the goal, is to get there, get to 286 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 1: the life that you want to live instead of you know, 287 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:33,680 Speaker 1: chasing chasing that first tour for me, who is jails 288 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 1: got tour? I toured for two years. I got pneumonia 289 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 1: m hm three times. You know, fever is a hundred 290 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 1: and five. I did the late show with what's the 291 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: guy with the long champion Jay Leno? I did the 292 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 1: his show with a hundred and five fever and and promptly, 293 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 1: uh so sick that after I got off, they're off 294 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: of the camera. Promptly pete on myself and passed out 295 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 1: like I was sick, sick not there's not a game, 296 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 1: but trying to cap yeah, man, you know, trying to 297 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 1: keep up. You know, I know, I know you're talking 298 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:18,879 Speaker 1: about and not for nothing. It's funny. Also, you know 299 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,159 Speaker 1: you think about sleeping. People don't talk about you know. 300 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:23,919 Speaker 1: I'm sitting here looking and reminding myself of all the 301 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 1: benefits of sleep. When it comes to beauty, people who 302 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 1: want to stay and for people want to live longer lives, 303 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:34,120 Speaker 1: it's like, uh, just you might wanna you might want 304 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:35,439 Speaker 1: to do that because if you're working hard and not 305 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:37,440 Speaker 1: getting the rest so you can live this fast life, 306 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 1: it's gonna be a fast life and face going to 307 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 1: drop right like right here, You're you're not girl, You're 308 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:53,119 Speaker 1: not missing like like little babies, you know, a little babies. 309 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 1: You're trying to put them down and they keep looking 310 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:58,119 Speaker 1: waking up to see what they're gonna miss. Maybe you 311 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 1: should miss that, whatever that is, you know, maybe you 312 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 1: should come around so that a little bit later. My 313 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:09,160 Speaker 1: mother just say, you can't be at every party, right hey, 314 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:17,400 Speaker 1: you at every party? Go to the parties you're supposed 315 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 1: to go to the ones that are meant for you, 316 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 1: but some are not. You're gonna miss it, you can't 317 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,639 Speaker 1: be but don't you feel like it's But again, it 318 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:27,719 Speaker 1: just feels like in this age of like post COVID, 319 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 1: it's hard to know when the rest because you're always 320 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:32,679 Speaker 1: at home, and so you feel like he's always if 321 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:34,640 Speaker 1: you're not doing something that's for your home, you could 322 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 1: be working. These things are true, and then and then 323 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 1: and then, of course there was a lot going around 324 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 1: during the during this pandemic, and particularly in a social 325 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:47,959 Speaker 1: media space that was like, if you ain't started the LLC, 326 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: if you ain't done such and such and such, and 327 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,119 Speaker 1: you didn't do what you didn't, you wasted this time. 328 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 1: You know. Um And I feel like that's a good 329 00:22:57,040 --> 00:23:03,119 Speaker 1: segue into a conversation about what constitutes quality time and 330 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 1: in terms of what you invest your time in, I 331 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:28,119 Speaker 1: had um uh in terms of accomplishment. I've mentioned my 332 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 1: mother earlier, and I was talking to my son in 333 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 1: the same conversation about my mom, and I was like, 334 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 1: you know, I put my mother to rest. She didn't 335 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,640 Speaker 1: own a home, she did not even own a car, 336 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 1: she had a high school diploma, she had no formalized 337 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 1: um extended education. She had never won any awards. She 338 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 1: had you know, not even done the stuff that was 339 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,479 Speaker 1: in her heart, like as a professional or anything like that. 340 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 1: She was an artist at heart. And it was amazing 341 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 1: zing at her homegoing that she had such a personal 342 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 1: impact on so many people's lives that it was a 343 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 1: constant mind of let me tell you about your mother, 344 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,239 Speaker 1: let me tell you about what she did for me, 345 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 1: let me tell you about how she affected my life. 346 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 1: Let me tell you what a friend she was to me. 347 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: And Da da da da da, and you wouldn't. It 348 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: was amazing to see that, and it helped shift my 349 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 1: perception about what it is to be successful in life 350 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 1: and what it is, what it what it is to 351 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 1: have um impact on the world, and how you spend 352 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:44,359 Speaker 1: your time. You know what I'm saying. She had not 353 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 1: you know, she had not done any of the things 354 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 1: that people say are the goals. You know. Yeah, sounds 355 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:58,399 Speaker 1: like sounds like no, no, it's just it's just interesting. 356 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 1: I'm like, it sounds like something you would say about 357 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,679 Speaker 1: your mom, your grandmam. Like that's just the case. A 358 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:05,920 Speaker 1: lot of it's just interesting, You're right, Yeah, I mean, 359 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 1: she wasn't any different than the next person in terms 360 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 1: of you know, everybody's gonna have folks that love them, 361 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 1: but it was that experience that kind of shifted that 362 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:18,679 Speaker 1: for me a little, you know, um, in terms of 363 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,919 Speaker 1: like how I spend my time for me during quarantine. 364 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:29,160 Speaker 1: I have listen, I've worked minimally um out of out 365 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:33,359 Speaker 1: of just the availability of work at first. But now 366 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 1: a lot of what I'm doing, I feel is going 367 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 1: to be indicative of how I live my life from 368 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 1: this point on. That's is one thing that I've definitely 369 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 1: learned from this situation is here here. Yeah, yeah, this 370 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 1: has changed us, and I think, I mean, I hope 371 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 1: that it's changed us for the better, you know, uh, 372 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,160 Speaker 1: just honestly, me being able to spend some more time 373 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 1: with my kid just being home has been extraordinary. I 374 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 1: liked that boy. I know I loved him. I knew 375 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 1: I liked them, but I like that dude. That's a 376 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,679 Speaker 1: good dude. He's funny, he's cool. We always got some 377 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 1: jokes comes with the serious conversations that I don't know 378 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:22,920 Speaker 1: where they're coming from. It didn't expect it, but I'm like, yes, 379 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:27,919 Speaker 1: you are awesome, this is this is good. You know, 380 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 1: of we do know ten people. I I personally know 381 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:38,119 Speaker 1: ten people who have had COVID, and um, you know 382 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 1: we got better from it. But no, I mean meaning 383 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 1: no what nobody passed away. But man, when I tell 384 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 1: you listening to their voices and knowing them how weak 385 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:57,120 Speaker 1: they were, and several of them wished for death, That's 386 00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:01,959 Speaker 1: that's major. We're not eating right as a folk, We're not. 387 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 1: We're not resting for us the way we need to individually. 388 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 1: You know we're not. We're hustling and working and trying 389 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 1: to survive. And I'm not dis in you in any way, 390 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 1: shape or form. I want you to get what you 391 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:24,120 Speaker 1: want out of life, but this is your one body 392 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 1: and your one life, and you know you might need 393 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 1: to take several seats for a minute in order to 394 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 1: accomplish what you want out of it. It's interesting, though, 395 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 1: because on the flip side, because I feel like my 396 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:40,920 Speaker 1: life is more on the flip side of what y'all 397 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 1: are saying, because while I understand the necessity of rest 398 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 1: as a I'm gonna say as a creative or yet 399 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:50,680 Speaker 1: and still as a person who's kind of like gig 400 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 1: to gig. If you are in a point in your 401 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:57,120 Speaker 1: career where you are working and hustling, then you are 402 00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:59,880 Speaker 1: you feel like you meant you working harder, not only 403 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,679 Speaker 1: because you can right now because you're blessed enough to 404 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 1: do it, But then there's also a factor of the 405 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,200 Speaker 1: current state of the economy of living in a world 406 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,680 Speaker 1: where you don't have pension, you don't know about your 407 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,239 Speaker 1: social security, and you're trying to figure out too. When 408 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,160 Speaker 1: I turned because I do want to be able to chill, 409 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,159 Speaker 1: it ain't gonna happen. I mean, ma' gonna say it 410 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,399 Speaker 1: ain't gonna happen. And maybe I'll write some big hit 411 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,879 Speaker 1: show or do something where there's a big load of money. 412 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 1: But for most people who are living there under a 413 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollar life, it's kind of like, and you, 414 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,119 Speaker 1: how am I going to be able to live the 415 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,920 Speaker 1: life I should be living at sixty something years old? 416 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 1: You know, I look at that. I say that also 417 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,880 Speaker 1: coming from most of our parents who have jobs where 418 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 1: they are have retired and they might have a pension, 419 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 1: and they do have social security, and they are still 420 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 1: yet struggling. So you're watching their struggle with the assistance 421 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 1: that you ain't even going to have. And so I'm 422 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 1: just saying that all the Sometimes that can be heavy, 423 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 1: and while you understand that you need to be taken 424 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:55,959 Speaker 1: care of self, you also have to figure out how 425 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 1: to work that in. It's just it's just it's I 426 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 1: hear you on that. I hear you and that because 427 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 1: I'm I mean, I I consider myself, you know, a 428 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 1: gig work or two in that same vein. But I think, UM, 429 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 1: like for me, I just for me, I just feel 430 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 1: like this, um there is no bag. Me and my 431 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:20,239 Speaker 1: husband have this conversational. I'm like, for this is just 432 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 1: my philosophy. My philosophy is there is no bag. I 433 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 1: don't I'm not looking for the bag. I'm not trying 434 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 1: to secure the bag for me. There is no bag, 435 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 1: you know, there is no spoon, there is no bag me. 436 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 1: It's like the my life has to move forward in 437 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 1: such a way that's respectful of my day today. And 438 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that you don't plan for the future. 439 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,480 Speaker 1: It just means that I just don't expect this massive 440 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 1: thing to save me from working. So I have to 441 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 1: work at a pace I'm comfortable with so that I 442 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 1: can still do it when I'm sixty or seventy or 443 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 1: eighty or that matter, um and think of my life 444 00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 1: in terms of how does it work for me, um 445 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 1: in the long term. So everything I'm choosing to do 446 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 1: now are things that I'm prepared to do when I'm 447 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 1: in my seventies and eighties, Like if that, if need be, 448 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 1: you know, if something else comes along along the way 449 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 1: to make that that easier for me, then praise God. 450 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 1: But for me, I just can't be focused on that 451 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 1: bag because I personally just don't think there is one, 452 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,240 Speaker 1: and particularly for black people, it ain't because how many 453 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 1: of us have had one generation secure the bag and 454 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 1: two generations later, not even to one generation later, is gone, 455 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 1: you know, And I just I've seen it happen within 456 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 1: the same generation, particularly in this business that we are 457 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,960 Speaker 1: so and all this be smart with your money in 458 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 1: the YadA YadA YadA. Yeah, some of that's true, but 459 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 1: there's a lot of things there that can change that, 460 00:30:52,400 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 1: and we're sitting in the middle of them, right, will 461 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 1: be clear. You know, I know what things may appear 462 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 1: to be with a lot of celebrity folks, but the 463 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 1: reality is the majority of them, including myself, we do 464 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 1: need to make money because you have you have no 465 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 1: idea how many people I'm taking care of no clue 466 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 1: and their lights need to be on, you know, and 467 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,840 Speaker 1: it is what it is. You have no idea with 468 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 1: with those folks. So they might have the new car 469 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:52,040 Speaker 1: and it might look good, but it's probably alone. You know. 470 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 1: They might have all the the accoutrement of jewelry and 471 00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 1: things like that, but the reality is it's probably not 472 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 1: even something that they own at all. And I don't 473 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 1: you know, sport a bunch of ships my cards from 474 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,479 Speaker 1: two thousand twelve. Um, I like, Oh Shirley, Oh Shirley, 475 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:19,720 Speaker 1: get me where I need to go? Okay, female, Yes 476 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 1: that's my girl. Um. But I tried my best to 477 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:29,800 Speaker 1: put things in perspective. What matters most, What matters most, 478 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:31,560 Speaker 1: I need to make it. I need to know that 479 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,760 Speaker 1: my mom is straight, you know, if I happen to 480 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 1: go untimely, you know, I need to know that. I 481 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 1: need to know that Jet is set up and that 482 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 1: the situation is set up, not for him to just 483 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,400 Speaker 1: not have to work, because I don't even believe in that. 484 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 1: I don't believe that at all. You better earn your right, 485 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,440 Speaker 1: you better earn your way, you know, in this life, 486 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 1: I had to I've been working since I was fourteen 487 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:58,840 Speaker 1: years old, okay, and paying bills since then. Okay, it 488 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,479 Speaker 1: does not stop. I just want you know, I just 489 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 1: want you to know, everybody with a team, everybody with 490 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,760 Speaker 1: a team after their age in my house has a 491 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 1: J O B girl. Oh yeah, and the we don't. 492 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,800 Speaker 1: But actually let me, let me give them some credit. 493 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:19,320 Speaker 1: Wasn't something that I had to make them do, you know? 494 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:25,320 Speaker 1: But I do believe in feeling confident obviously with you know, 495 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,400 Speaker 1: doing for yourself and everything. And I not respect everything 496 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 1: you're saying, Joe in terms of like legacy and making 497 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,240 Speaker 1: sure that people are that your responsibilities and the people 498 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 1: who are responsible for are cared for, particularly parents and 499 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 1: children a percent, and I I do. I understand that, 500 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,880 Speaker 1: and I understand about creating safeguards for that, you know, 501 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 1: that's my goal, by the way, to parents only child. Yeah, 502 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 1: and I did that, I really And nobody saw this coming. 503 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 1: You know, maybe something somebody out there did, but I 504 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 1: I know I didn't see COVID coming. And that that 505 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 1: bag that we're speaking of, that thing went blowing in 506 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:06,240 Speaker 1: the wind somewhere. That thing was apparently made a paper too, 507 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,680 Speaker 1: because one minute I had all it, all of the 508 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:14,520 Speaker 1: you know, the numbers written down and I knew what 509 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:16,880 Speaker 1: I was gonna be making and blah blah blah, and 510 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,960 Speaker 1: that that went out the window. And now there's you know, 511 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:24,800 Speaker 1: figuring out other ways to to sustain and to grow. 512 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,319 Speaker 1: I A, don't you glad that in the wake of 513 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:32,360 Speaker 1: that that there that you had the strength of what 514 00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:37,359 Speaker 1: mattered in your life? Two then you know, curl back 515 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,839 Speaker 1: into you know what I mean? And I think that 516 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,800 Speaker 1: that's that's what happens to is that in this moment, 517 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:46,320 Speaker 1: is that people are like, do I have a place, 518 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:51,640 Speaker 1: a soft place to fall in a moment like this money? Yeah, 519 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 1: when money might be funny, or I don't have the 520 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 1: same my job. I don't have the bustle of my 521 00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 1: job to keep me busy, and I don't have all 522 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 1: these different and things going on that are keeping my attention. 523 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,840 Speaker 1: Who am I in this moment? I can't move the 524 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:09,000 Speaker 1: way I want to move? And can we take that 525 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,719 Speaker 1: into this moment when it's no longer like it is 526 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:16,040 Speaker 1: right now? Because this is to show fas yes, hopefully eventually, 527 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:36,360 Speaker 1: I mean, the the goal is longevity. The goal is longevity. 528 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,800 Speaker 1: It's like it's like so many of us are living 529 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:44,239 Speaker 1: for this exact moment, you know, Um, trying to get 530 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,120 Speaker 1: that new car, get that new thing that puts you 531 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:52,200 Speaker 1: in a bind every month, you know, just making making 532 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,440 Speaker 1: your existence so much harder. How do I know? I 533 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,400 Speaker 1: got people, you know what I mean? I know people 534 00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,080 Speaker 1: and I watched them do things like get a car. 535 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:05,040 Speaker 1: Note that's just weigh out of sorts. So when something 536 00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,160 Speaker 1: like this there happens, there is no cushion to fall 537 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,280 Speaker 1: back on. Is we're getting back to learning how to live, 538 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:15,640 Speaker 1: not just exist for the day, for the week, to 539 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:19,799 Speaker 1: show people what to show people that you you got 540 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,920 Speaker 1: what you know, stuff, stuff that can be burned, stuff 541 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:27,640 Speaker 1: that can be lost, stuff that you know probably won't 542 00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:31,040 Speaker 1: even be you know the thing you know two months 543 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:34,640 Speaker 1: from now. We're trying to encourage you, well, I'm going 544 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:39,120 Speaker 1: to speak for myself, trying to encourage you to live 545 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:45,840 Speaker 1: and living means or part of it anyway, Ums, thinking 546 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:50,480 Speaker 1: about what you want for yourself when you no longer 547 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,560 Speaker 1: are able to get out on this road or work 548 00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,640 Speaker 1: them three jobs, or what is the goal and to 549 00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,799 Speaker 1: work towards that goal. The goal is a comfortable long 550 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:04,000 Speaker 1: evity in my opinion, What what do you have to 551 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:07,320 Speaker 1: do now to do that. So if you're in your twenties, 552 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:12,759 Speaker 1: knuckle up, learn all you can get yourself. Some mentors 553 00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,000 Speaker 1: find out you know what it is to to what 554 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:20,120 Speaker 1: success means to you. Figure that out. Then you start 555 00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:24,640 Speaker 1: working smarter in your thirties and head towards those goals. 556 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:26,960 Speaker 1: By the time you turn forty, it'll all be different. 557 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:33,120 Speaker 1: It just that's why I told you there is no bag. 558 00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:38,879 Speaker 1: It ain't there. I think that the bag is comfortable longevity, 559 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:43,480 Speaker 1: but just for me. But I like the idea of 560 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:47,839 Speaker 1: comfortable longevity as a goal and and I and I 561 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:52,319 Speaker 1: agree with that. However, I think, um, the whole the 562 00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:56,120 Speaker 1: the bag imagery for me has just been problematic. We 563 00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,200 Speaker 1: gotta change the question. Yeah, you gotta change the world 564 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,480 Speaker 1: because it is it is something that you're working towards. 565 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,879 Speaker 1: And I know I've always been working towards just being 566 00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,279 Speaker 1: comfortable and not having that feeling in my heart. Hurry, 567 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,160 Speaker 1: wake up, you gotta do That's that. Don't need a 568 00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:15,760 Speaker 1: comfortable longevity um mentor though. We need to find us 569 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:19,520 Speaker 1: a black woman that has achieved this so that she 570 00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:26,880 Speaker 1: can help us to stay focused. Well, I'm have you 571 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:34,240 Speaker 1: guys seen Tony Morrison's documentary. Yes I have. I'm putting 572 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:39,319 Speaker 1: it on the last documentaries. If there is anybody who 573 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:43,480 Speaker 1: understood what comfortable longevity meant, and that's just something that 574 00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:47,200 Speaker 1: popped up in my head during this conversation. But she 575 00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:51,520 Speaker 1: knew what it meant. She worked exceptionally hard to get it. 576 00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:54,759 Speaker 1: That woman decided when she was going to wake up 577 00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,719 Speaker 1: and how she was going to work. She made sure 578 00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,839 Speaker 1: that there was room and space and love for her 579 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:07,520 Speaker 1: children and these things, mentory ship for others, yes, and 580 00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:12,319 Speaker 1: for herself. That's all those things, you guys having time 581 00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:14,640 Speaker 1: to do that, Yes, that's all that. I'm sorry. I'm 582 00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,080 Speaker 1: just glad you brought that up, because she really is. 583 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,879 Speaker 1: I forgot how much she is my hero. Beyond that 584 00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,680 Speaker 1: she is, you know, a cannon in and of herself, 585 00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:30,520 Speaker 1: but beyond that, just as a woman. So you don't 586 00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:32,160 Speaker 1: have to go look forward. It's on Amazon. I just 587 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,400 Speaker 1: wouldn't like right now, okay, And I think it's also 588 00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:39,919 Speaker 1: on on Netflix too. I went to see The Nice 589 00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:43,560 Speaker 1: all right. I went to the Stances all like to 590 00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,960 Speaker 1: sit I. When I watched that, I felt like, my God, 591 00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:52,880 Speaker 1: that woman lived a life, woke up every morning to 592 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,120 Speaker 1: her lake, you know, but the lake was on the 593 00:39:56,160 --> 00:40:00,439 Speaker 1: back end, right, But that's what we're talking about, yes, 594 00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:06,680 Speaker 1: is that comfortable longevity and working while she was writing 595 00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:11,080 Speaker 1: her book, you know, during that making sure the doors 596 00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,200 Speaker 1: open so her children. She did what she had to do, 597 00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:15,960 Speaker 1: but she made sure her children didn't feel alienated. I'm 598 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,440 Speaker 1: not going to tell you everything about the documentary, but 599 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:22,480 Speaker 1: I would really really love for all of your listeners, 600 00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,719 Speaker 1: male and female, young and old, to pay attention to 601 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:30,080 Speaker 1: the life of Tony Morrison. Brilliant writer, beautiful, exceptional woman 602 00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:34,600 Speaker 1: who took very little ship from this world and made 603 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:40,960 Speaker 1: it better. And that is that is living. How do 604 00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:50,360 Speaker 1: you eat an elephant? One by it tide? Hey, y'all, 605 00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,520 Speaker 1: it's ease again. A producer on the show Why Joe 606 00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,240 Speaker 1: and Aga talked about how we can survive in the US, 607 00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,960 Speaker 1: a country that often values grinding over health and Bernie 608 00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,759 Speaker 1: Out over sleep. For a take on how we can 609 00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:06,800 Speaker 1: use our personal stories to thrive, Aga recommends the book 610 00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:10,520 Speaker 1: In the Wake on Blackness and Being by Christina Sharp. 611 00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:14,600 Speaker 1: You can also check out the documentary they mentioned Tony Morrison, 612 00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,880 Speaker 1: The Pieces I Am wherever. It might be available on 613 00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:21,239 Speaker 1: streaming services right now. And another shout out to the 614 00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:25,160 Speaker 1: Knap Ministry, an organization of founded by Tricia Hersey that 615 00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,960 Speaker 1: believes in rest as a form of resistance. As always, 616 00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:37,400 Speaker 1: I'll leave links in the episode description. Thank you so 617 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:41,919 Speaker 1: much for listening, everybody, Thank you for listening to Jill 618 00:41:41,960 --> 00:42:01,080 Speaker 1: Scott Presents Jay dot Ill the podcast. 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