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Speaker 2: This is straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. What is up, fire, fam,

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Speaker 2: It's me Jason McIntyre. Straight Fire for Thursday, December twenty eighth.

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Speaker 2: Ordinarily we would have an exciting Thursday night football game

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Speaker 2: Jets are playing. I'd be all fired up, alas their

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Speaker 2: season is over. It looks like Trevor Simmons the quarterback,

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Speaker 2: and I don't give a rats ass about Thursday night football.

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Speaker 2: I will bet the Browns. We'll talk about it later

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Speaker 2: on Pickspool. Obviously huge. We'll get into that later in

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Speaker 2: the pod. I need to start with the big NFL news.

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Speaker 2: We got a lot of NBA to cover. With this

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Speaker 2: Lakers scuttle butt. I know robb Gie's all worked up.

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Speaker 2: I'm a little worked up. Anytime I hear Austin Reeves

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Speaker 2: potentially being traded, I'm like, yo, not Austin Reeves. I

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Speaker 2: think he's probably got to be number two on the

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Speaker 2: team in Jersey says you can't move him anyways. Let's

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Speaker 2: start with the huge NFL news that dropped Wednesday morning. Now,

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Speaker 2: it kind of looked like it was coming right. We

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Speaker 2: saw some reports after that devastating Broncos lost to the Patriots,

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Speaker 2: On Christmas Eve, we saw reports that Listen Russell Wilson's

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Speaker 2: future is uncertain in Denver, and they started throwing around

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Speaker 2: the money numbers, and then it became very clear that

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Speaker 2: Russell Wilson's future in Denver was in jeopardy. We saw

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Speaker 2: the blow up on the sideline with Sean Payton. Russell

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Speaker 2: Wilson has now been benched, benched in favor of Jared Stidham.

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Speaker 2: This is not a performance benching, folks, this is Russell

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Speaker 2: Wilson's future in Denver is over. He has been benched

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Speaker 2: so he doesn't get injured. They're on the hook for

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Speaker 2: massive nearly forty million dollars next year, and then the

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Speaker 2: following year nearly forty million dollars also guaranteed. So if

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Speaker 2: they are able to cut him five days before the

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Speaker 2: new season or the school not the school year, the

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Speaker 2: NFL off season begins, they're able to save a lot

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Speaker 2: of money. So without ding you down with the salary

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Speaker 2: cap in the numbers, I will make this interesting for you.

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Speaker 2: A was it a surprise, Not totally, given how sour

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Speaker 2: it went late in the season. Now, they did lose

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Speaker 2: a bunch of close games, they did get blasted in Miami. Listen,

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Speaker 2: it's been an up and down season. Russ has not

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Speaker 2: been great. The team was a little fugazi built on

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Speaker 2: a bunch of turnovers they had during the four or

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Speaker 2: five game win streak. They got hot, and then reality

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Speaker 2: said it. And you know, either Peyton doesn't trust Russell

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Speaker 2: Wilson or Russell can't run the offense a Peyton once.

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Speaker 2: Either way, it's over. And here's what I got. I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna hit you with six landing spots for Russell Wilson.

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Speaker 2: RUSS just turned thirty five in November. He's coming off

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Speaker 2: a good, not a horrible season. I know people want

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Speaker 2: to trash Russell Wilson. I'm calling up the stats here. Okay,

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Speaker 2: he's sixty six percent of his passes, twenty six touchdowns,

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Speaker 2: eight picks, by the way, twenty six TV's way up

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Speaker 2: from last year with Hackett eight picks way down. Here's

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Speaker 2: an interesting is sacks taken are down significantly with I

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Speaker 2: don't know, forty percent less attempt or forty less attempts.

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Speaker 2: This is what I found interesting. Four fourth quarter comebacks,

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Speaker 2: four game winning drives, tied for the league lead right now.

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Speaker 2: So Russ has had some clutch moments. What's hurt him

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Speaker 2: obviously is you know late in the season, that game

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Speaker 2: in Houston, multiple turnovers in the red zone, game on

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Speaker 2: the line, throws a bad interception against the Patriots ty

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Speaker 2: game they stormed back in a game they looked awful,

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Speaker 2: and Russ yeah, I mean I couldn't even get a

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Speaker 2: first down on that final drive. Patriots come down and

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Speaker 2: Bailey Zappi beats you. That's humbling. So Russell Wilson done

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Speaker 2: in Denver. Here are my six landing spots, no particular order,

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Speaker 2: we don't know if Belichick's gonna be back, but we

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Speaker 2: New England has done. You don't get bench multiple times

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Speaker 2: and comeback. It ain't happening. Maybe he's the backup, but

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Speaker 2: he is not the starter in any way, shape or form.

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Speaker 2: Bailey Zappi has been competent. That's about all you could

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Speaker 2: Like a lot of questions. Now, I'll say this about

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Speaker 2: not saying they're a quarterback away, but they're a quarterback

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Speaker 2: that be Russell Wilson. I don't think it's an amazing fit.

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Speaker 2: He goes from a division with Herbert and Mahome to

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Speaker 2: his division with Tua and Josh Allen who have both

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Speaker 2: been lights out this year. Not ideal. And oh, by

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Speaker 2: So I don't love the Patriots fit, but I think

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Speaker 2: the Pittsburgh Steelers. As Steelers fans vomit in their mouths

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Speaker 2: at me saying Russell Wilson in Pittsburgh, let's just consider

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Speaker 2: their situation. A quarterback. I like Kenny Pickett a lot

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Speaker 2: coming into this season. I was bullish He's not that guy. Okay,

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Speaker 2: it's very clear Kenny Pickett has not delivered to the

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Speaker 2: hasn't been pretty. He clearly does not look like a

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Speaker 2: him consistently. Okay, So then you look at Mitch Trubisky,

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Speaker 2: been there? Six years? Five? Six years? Like he's a solid,

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Speaker 2: solid third string quarterback. He may be serviceable as a

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Speaker 2: go to that division. He instantly walked in the door

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Speaker 2: and is competing for third best quarterback in the division.

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Speaker 2: Burrow's better, Lamar's better. And then it's like, oh, Deshaun

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Speaker 2: kind of you just make jokes about those two in

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Speaker 2: their contracts. Listen, I don't love the fit, but but

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Speaker 2: if Pittsburgh can get Russ for the right price, it's

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Speaker 2: certainly an upgrade over Picket. And I'll just remind you

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Speaker 2: guys like a motivated Russell Wilson can be a dangerous

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Speaker 2: Russell Wilson. Now. I know he's struggled mightily against the

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Speaker 2: too high shell. I don't know if the Peyton offense

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Speaker 2: Payton knows. So I think Mike Tomlin would strongly consider

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Speaker 2: that there's not a great market for free agent quarterbacks.

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Speaker 2: I think Russ and Justin Fields kind of topped the list.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if fields works in Pittsburgh. Finally, in

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Speaker 2: the AFC, this one will not be popular. But the

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Speaker 2: Tennessee Titans, now everyone will say, but Jay, hey, they've

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Speaker 2: drafted quarterbacks the last two years. Oh, Will Levis started

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Speaker 2: a lot, and Rabel will now have missed the playoffs

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Speaker 2: back to back years. After three straight years of making

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Speaker 2: the playoffs, this franchise is teetering on a massive reboot.

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Speaker 2: We heard Derrick Henry with it what the last ten

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Speaker 2: in a tennise uniform. It's been a great run. Like

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Speaker 2: he is essentially conceding his time is over. I don't

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Speaker 2: do you go a full on reboot. Could Rabel survive that?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. He's a very good coach. Is there

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Speaker 2: a world where Russell Wilson comes in and it's like, oh,

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Speaker 2: we convinced Derrick Henry to stay. We have new Hopkins

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Speaker 2: show well. We just got to fix the offensive line.

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Speaker 2: And oh, by the way, the division kind of sort

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Speaker 2: of stinks. I know. Three teams are in the playoff

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Speaker 2: mix smoking mirrors. With the Colts, we don't know what

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Speaker 2: they'll be like with Anthony Richardson, Trevor Lawrence trend downwards

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Speaker 2: without question, and then CJ. Stroud will see how he

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Speaker 2: and they should anny up in the wide receiver department.

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Speaker 2: But I think of those three AFC teams, the best

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Speaker 2: mostly because of the division. Now you go to the NFC.

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Speaker 2: We just did the AFC. You go to the NFC,

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Speaker 2: and this is where it gets a little sexier. I

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Speaker 2: but I have been discussing it. I don't want to

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Speaker 2: say I have inside information. I've been discussing it on

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Speaker 2: the Herd. I've been discussing it here. I believe the

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Speaker 2: Washington Commanders will be in the market for a splashy,

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Speaker 2: the Commanders and their new ownership group will be looking

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Speaker 2: to change things in this franchise, shall we say from

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Speaker 2: the Daniel Snyder era. Now, some people will just say, listen,

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Speaker 2: he's washed, He's not our guy. We got the receiver,

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Speaker 2: were wasting Terry mclaurin's prime. Listen, Sam Howell had his moments.

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Speaker 2: He's not gonna open the season as a starter. If

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Speaker 2: you right now, the new ownership, Harrison Company, will be

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Speaker 2: a quick face to the franchise, quick everybody, who's the

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Speaker 2: face of the Washington Commanders franchise? That's what I thought,

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Speaker 2: right It was Chase Young a few years ago. He's gone,

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Speaker 2: he's now in San Francisco. It can't be Terry mclauur.

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Speaker 2: And he's really good. But he's not a faceing franchise guy.

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Speaker 2: It ain't Howell right like you don't have one. This

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Speaker 2: franchise has no identity whatsoever. Russell Wilson gives him that,

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Speaker 2: and I do believe a big name coach would help.

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Speaker 2: I think I think Washington's firmly in play for his

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Speaker 2: s although not gonna be easy to win going against

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Speaker 2: Philly in Dallas. The next one is Atlanta. Everybody and

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Speaker 2: their mom's gonna have Atlanta. Russell Wilson obviously went to

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Speaker 2: of Russell Wilson in Atlanta would certainly work. This team

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Speaker 2: feels ready made for a quarterback. Okay, you got Arthur

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Speaker 2: we move him out bringing a new guy. A lot

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Speaker 2: of chatter about the enemy. I think what's clear is

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Speaker 2: Atlanta does not have a quarterback. Desmond Ritter he's not

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Speaker 2: that guy. Okay, then you look at Taylor Heinike. He

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Speaker 2: could be your backup. Those two can slug it out

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Speaker 2: got b Jeon Robinson, He's got Kyle Pitts, Drake London.

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Speaker 2: That's a good foundational crew. I think Atlanta's a lot closer.

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Speaker 2: Interesting. I think one of the things that I did

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Speaker 2: You know, Fields, he's done some things and again I

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Speaker 1: I saw a lot of people talking about the Raiders.

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Speaker 2: of those teams scare you going forward. I think Justin

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Speaker 2: Fields could certainly help in Atlanta. I think Russell Wilson

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Speaker 2: could too.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, question for you, so you know, if it

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Speaker 1: comes down to those two guys and you're a quarterback

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Speaker 1: needy team, if it's Field or Wilson, do you pay

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Speaker 1: the premium and trade for Justin Fields earlier so that

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Speaker 1: you secure him, or do you wait until the draft.

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Speaker 1: They draft Caleb Williams and suddenly the pri the price

434
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Speaker 1: comes down. But now you have a whole field of

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Speaker 1: guys or teams who are looking to get involved in

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Speaker 1: that mix.

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Speaker 2: The price comes down for who for Russ?

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Speaker 1: No for Fields, because I think Russ's price is going

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Speaker 1: to be it is what it is, like, it's never

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Speaker 1: gonna be anything more.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you got to sort out the coaching stuff, right,

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Speaker 2: You've got to figure out what's happening, Like who's the

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Speaker 2: coach in Atlanta? Are they keeping him? I mean, if

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Speaker 2: he doesn't have a vote of confidence from the owner,

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Speaker 2: not great. I think the one guy who probably has

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Speaker 2: the clout to do the quick deal for him would

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Speaker 2: be Tomlin. But I don't know if he wants to

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Speaker 2: get involved with Justin Thomas is not an offensive guy.

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00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,119
Speaker 2: I don't know. That's a tough one. Like who's their

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00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,480
Speaker 2: offensive coordinator? Remember they fired Canada? They got the interim.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if he's gonna be the guy. The

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00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,440
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Speaker 2: I did see one of the silliest takes I saw

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Speaker 2: Rob a couple interesting stories, but we're just gonna hammer

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Speaker 2: this Lakers story because obviously out in LA we can

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Speaker 2: see the analytics. We know we got a lot of

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Speaker 2: Los Angeles listeners and Schams Sharania and I will go

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Speaker 2: as a side real quick. He's a reporter for Yahoo

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Speaker 2: and Stadium and all these places. Schams Sharania also he

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Speaker 2: reports a lot of clutch sports stuff. He is in

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Speaker 2: with that camp is reporting that the Lakers have either

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Speaker 2: been offered or discussed or in discussions with the Atlanta Hawks,

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Speaker 2: and the potential deal would be Jackson Hayes and Austin

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Speaker 2: Reeves for Dejanta Murray of the Hawks. Now just background.

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Speaker 2: I like Dejana Murray. I've liked him since that deal

502
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,160
Speaker 2: was done. I think he's a really talented player. He's

503
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Speaker 2: not quite an All NBA guy, but he's very, very good.

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00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 2: It hasn't totally worked out with Trey Young there in

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Speaker 2: Atlanta the backcourt. Some had predicted it wouldn't. I was

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00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 2: trying to be more optimistic and it just it hasn't

507
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 2: happened yet. It's you know, they're on the second coach,

508
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 2: but we'll see. I just want to nit this in

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Speaker 2: the butt right now, Rob number one. Under no circumstances

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Speaker 2: of my trading. Austin Reeves not untouchable, but it would

511
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,360
Speaker 2: have to be a trade that like is you'll laugh

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Speaker 2: at me for sake, But I value Austin Reeves in

513
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Speaker 2: such high regard. I wouldn't trade him for anybody who

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Speaker 2: wasn't at the minimum minimum an NBA All Star, and

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Speaker 2: in all honesty, I like Austin Reeves. I think he's

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Speaker 2: got a future with the Lakers. I think he's got

517
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Speaker 2: a future in this league. He's an Olympian over the stuff.

518
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 2: But like, the guy can play, he can play in systems.

519
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 2: He's got a chip on his shoulder in side outside

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00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 2: scores at all three levels, plus defender, great length, like

521
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 2: he's awesome, can create his own shot. Go look at

522
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 2: his playoff numbers. Man. Guy's freaking awesome as a young

523
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 2: guy playing with Lebron. I'm not trading Austin Reeves for

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00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 2: de Johanta Murray. No way, just not happening. Now. If

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00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 2: you want to get idiotic and be like, Okay, what

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00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 2: about Jalen Brown for Austin Reeves, Well that's a totally

527
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 2: different discussion. Boston's not doing that. You know, Austin Reeves

528
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 2: got like a sixty million dollar contract. Jalen Brown's gonna

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00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 2: be like a fifty million a year guy. Totally different players,

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00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 2: and I love Austin Reeves and Rob's probably chuckling that

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00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 2: has no chance of happening, just to be clear, but

532
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 2: it's like, that's how highly I think a Reeves. Now,

533
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 2: obviously there are issues with the Lakers as they continue

534
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 2: to hemorrhage points, they continue to struggle on offense. Darvin

535
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 2: Ham is like, have you guys seen bird Box with

536
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 2: Samantha Bullock? Oh, sorry, Sandra Bullock And she's rowing the

537
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 2: boat with the kids in it and she's like blindfolded.

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00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 2: That's when it feels like Darvin is doing right now

539
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 2: with his substitution patterns for the Lakers. I mean this idea. Hey,

540
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:06,880
Speaker 2: let's get Reached to the bench. Now, let's get Delo. Okay,

541
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:08,639
Speaker 2: let's get Delo to the bench too. Let's start ver

542
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 2: Jared Vanderbilt like he's just grasping it. Straw's bro, like,

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00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 2: what are you doing? Okay, Lakers got some problem. I

544
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 2: don't know why Christian Wood. I think I asked you this.

545
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,680
Speaker 2: A lazy Laker sees a ticket holder, buddy, Why is

546
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 2: it christian Wood playing? I know Jason doesn't play defense.

547
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 2: Does anyone in the league like Christian Wood could make threes.

548
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 2: He I mean, he's a valuable piece. For you're asking me,

549
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 2: I don't undershare why Christan Wood isn't playing. And remember, folks,

550
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 2: last year, I was like, mister Lonnie Walker. I was like,

551
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 2: why is it Lonnie Walker playing? He's good, get him

552
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 2: out there. He didn't play forever came up big late.

553
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 2: I liked the cam Reddish move. The one guy that

554
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 2: I'm seeing that's just not really delivering. I don't know

555
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 2: if it was the injury to the face or whatever

556
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 2: he had going on, but ruiy Haachi Mora doesn't look

557
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 2: like the same guy he did in the playoffs last year.

558
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 2: Obviously that's not great for his trade value. But if

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00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 2: it's me, yeah, whatever, Let's see what we can get

560
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 2: for D'Angelo, Russell and RUI. I don't think you can

561
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 2: get much. I'm not ready to ship Gabe Vincent yet.

562
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 2: I just haven't seen enough. I liked what I saw

563
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 2: in Miami. People thought, oh, he's gonna bring the heat

564
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 2: culture to LA. You just haven't seen it. He's heard,

565
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 2: he's not playing a lot, and when he does play,

566
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 2: it's very little. So I'll just go on a record.

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00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 2: I hate this deal. B I don't believe it. I

568
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 2: don't think Sham's is straight up lying. I think what

569
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 2: happens a lot with NBA chatter is when everybody knows

570
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 2: the team is looking to make a move, like the Lakers,

571
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 2: you get the zach Lavine stuff by everybody in their

572
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 2: mom and to get everybody in their mom off the scent,

573
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 2: what do you do? You got a little misdirection over

574
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 2: here where you say de Jona Murray, Austin Reeves, boom,

575
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 2: let's put him in the deal and can you get

576
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 2: that name out there? Deal's not happening, but it's a

577
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 2: great piece of misdirection to get people now talking about

578
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 2: that while you can now work in the shadows to

579
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 2: get the real deal you want elsewhere. I'm telling you

580
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 2: they're not getting de Jon to Murray. Guys, that's not happening.

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00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's zach Lavine, you know I

582
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 2: like him? Is it Carus show? I don't know. But

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00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 2: rob Gie, mister Laker, where are you on the de

584
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Speaker 2: Jante Marie stuff?

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Speaker 1: I would love to get John to Murray, but I,

586
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Speaker 1: like you said, I would not give up Boston Reeves,

587
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: and not just because I'm a Lakers homer or I

588
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 1: have some kind of a blind allegiance to Austin Reeves.

589
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 1: It's because he is a proven high level rotation player

590
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 1: in the NBA and the biggest thing are two biggest things.

591
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 1: Number One, he's shown his ability to play off of

592
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 1: and alongside Lebron James, and that is something that I

593
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 1: know that people will scoff at. But it is not

594
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 1: as easy as it sounds. There's a reason why guys

595
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 1: like Chris Bosh, Kevin Love, you know, their numbers have

596
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: to take a back seat alongside Lebron because Lebron is

597
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 1: such a dominating figure in the NBA. You know, he

598
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 1: likes a certain archetype of guy. He wants you to

599
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 1: kind of stand in the corner space out shoot threes

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00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,040
Speaker 1: and defend. And if you can do anything more than that,

601
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 1: you almost have to become a subservient player because Lebron's

602
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 1: doesn't really allow you to be the best version of yourself.

603
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 1: Where Austin Reeves is unique is that he doesn't need

604
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 1: the ball to be successful. He can attack close outs,

605
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: he can create a little bit, so he fits in

606
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 1: good with Lebron. But the other reason is his contract.

607
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: They got in some kind of loophole because of the

608
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 1: RESTIKTA free agency the next three years, he's only going

609
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: to be making about thirteen million dollars a year. I know,

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00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 1: it sounds like a lot of putting into perspective. Here,

611
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 1: some guys who you are making about fifteen million dollars,

612
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: Luke Kennard, Kris LeVert. Okay, the aforementioned Rujya Chia Murray

613
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: is making fifteen point seven. You mope to seventeen million.

614
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: You got Jonathan Isaac barely even in the NBA right now,

615
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 1: Marcus Morris Senior's riding the bench in Philadelphia, Davis Berton's

616
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 1: in OKC. So to get a guy who is that

617
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Speaker 1: good for thirteen million dollars and you have him under

618
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Speaker 1: team control, you better get something great in return. De

619
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Speaker 1: Jontay Murray is very, very good. He'd be a huge

620
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 1: upgrade for the Lakers, but not at the expense of

621
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Speaker 1: a of a chip like Austin Reeves, who is good

622
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Speaker 1: number one and two under team control. So unless you

623
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Speaker 1: can find a way to flip Ruy and d Low

624
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 1: and some pick swaps and a first round pick, then sure,

625
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 1: but I don't think that's possible. And the other thing,

626
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 1: which is the Dirty Little Secret. Dady is NBA de

627
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 1: John Tay Murray is a clutch sports guy. Anytime there's

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Speaker 1: a clutch sports client, or excuse me, anytime the Lakers

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00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 1: are involved in a player, check to see who they're

630
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Speaker 1: represented by. Because earlier this year I saw they were

631
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: linked to Miles Bridges coming off of domestic violence allegations.

632
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: I think it was actually a conviction. I'm almost positive

633
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 1: and sure enough, Well, the Lakers will be interested if

634
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 1: the Horners want to trade for him or want to

635
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 1: trade him. So, if it's a clutch sports guy, promise

636
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: you the Lakers are going to be linked to him

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Speaker 2: do it. Here's your best bet. We've got the Cleveland

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Speaker 2: Browns and my Jets. I to be honest, guys, this

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Speaker 2: is the least interested I've been in the Jets. I

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Speaker 2: barely watched the Washington game. In full disclosure. I was

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Speaker 2: so upset, so upset when the Washington commanders appeared to

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Speaker 2: be quitting and it was seventeen nothing that I live.

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Speaker 2: Bet the Jets at like minus seven and a half.

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Speaker 2: I was like, you pricks, you're gonna win this. Fine,

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Speaker 2: You're gonna blow them out. Let me just back it. Well,

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Speaker 2: you know, how that turned out not good is how

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Speaker 2: I should put it. So let's get to the big

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Speaker 2: game tonight. It's the Jets in Cleveland, Trevor Simeon against

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Speaker 2: a Browns defense that has shut down just about everyone

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Speaker 2: they've played. I would be beyond floored if the Jets

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Speaker 2: got to thirteen and a half, or I would guess

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Speaker 2: their team total is probably thirteen and a half points.

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Speaker 2: Maybe there's a Flacco mistake and the Jets score a

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Speaker 2: defensive touchdown, you get some fluky stuff penalty down the field, Garret,

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Speaker 2: whatever it is. There's a chance also that the Jets

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Speaker 2: cannot move the football here. I'm just being real with you, guys.

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Speaker 2: This Cleveland defense at home is nasty. Trevor Simeon Night game.

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Speaker 2: Come on, this has seventeen to six written all over it.

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Speaker 2: I don't see how you're not on the Browns here.

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Speaker 2: The total is thirty five with a spread of seven

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Speaker 2: and a half. How does that so you're saying that

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Speaker 2: it'll be so you're saying Brown's twenty one Jets thirteen, right,

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Speaker 2: that's pretty much what the line is saying, or thereabouts

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Speaker 2: twenty one fourteen right in that vicinity, I would go

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Speaker 2: Jets team total under thirteen and a half, I would

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Speaker 2: go Browns, mind a seven and a half, I would

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Speaker 2: go under for the game. Jets defense is good. No

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Speaker 2: doubt that Flacco will struggle. It's not like Amari Cooper's

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Speaker 2: gonna have two hundred and forty yards receiving. Again, I

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Speaker 2: don't know that the Browns will be able to run.

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Speaker 2: This is probably a big in Djoku game. This is

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Speaker 2: probably an Elijah Moore revenge special member, the former Jets receiver. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'll go Browns. Give me the Browns twenty and the

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Speaker 2: Jets nine. How's that just a crap, Gabe Thursday night.

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Speaker 2: The smart people are probably staying in and hydrating four

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Speaker 2: New Year's Eve. Rob. I know you're going heavy on

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Speaker 2: this one, obviously.

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Speaker 1: Right, absolutely, And I'm actually going the exact opposite of you. No, Mike,

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Speaker 1: give me the Jets with the points and the over.

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Speaker 1: I know everyone loves Joe Flacco, the elite Joe Flacco,

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl MVP Joe Flacco. You know he's currently in

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Speaker 1: the race for a comeback Player of the Year because

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Speaker 1: he was on his couch as recently as November.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but.

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Speaker 1: Lost in the sauce of this whole Joe Flacco comeback

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Speaker 1: story and everyone's so excited about it, and the Browns

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Speaker 1: are live in the AFC North. He's thrown seven interceptions

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Speaker 1: in four games. True that Jets defense is going to

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Speaker 1: be able to turn the ball over on Joe Flacco.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if now again, I don't know if

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Speaker 1: the Jets offense will be able to convert those turnovers

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Speaker 1: into touchdowns. But I would not be surprised to see

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Speaker 1: them get a lot of short fields. I would not

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Speaker 1: be surprised if we get a defensive score from the

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Speaker 1: New York Jets. So I believe the Browns win, but

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Speaker 1: I believe it's going to be a Jets cover. And

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Speaker 1: I think that total in today's NFL is just way

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Speaker 1: too low.

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Speaker 2: So it's funny you say that Joe Flacco was on

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Speaker 2: his sofa two months ago. You know where Joe Flacco

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Speaker 2: was last year, right, everybody? He was on the New

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Speaker 2: York Jets team. So Nathaniel Hacket comes in, Oh, we've

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Speaker 2: got Rogers, we got Zach as the back. We don't

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Speaker 2: need Joe Flacco. Okay, we'll move on from him. Then

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Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers goes down, and you know one might think

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Speaker 2: the Jets GM would you know, by the way Joe

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Speaker 2: Douglas was in Baltimore knows Flacco. You would think Douglas

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Speaker 2: would have said, let's give Joe Flacco a call, see

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Speaker 2: what he's up to. Played with us last year, maybe

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Speaker 2: he could give us something. They went, they went and

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Speaker 2: called Trevor Simeon and that was after starting. Oh my gosh,

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Speaker 2: I've already forgot the guy Rob who was the guy

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Speaker 2: that started after Zach was benched. I mean Tim Boyle,

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Speaker 2: Tim Boyle, this is how, this is how moronic. The

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Speaker 2: franchise I root for is could have called Flacco. They

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Speaker 2: went Tim Boyle, and they went Trevor Simeon. Meanwhile, Cleveland

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Speaker 2: calls up Joe Flacco. He comes in and he's just

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Speaker 2: slaying comeback Player of the Year in the mix, chucking

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Speaker 2: it all over the field, making some pretty ridiculous throws,

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Speaker 2: like I know, some of it's luck and the Rams

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Speaker 2: game he had that bad interception deep and like Rob said,

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Speaker 2: he's got a bunch of interceptions. Cousin's also went the

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Speaker 2: playoff mix with a guy who was raking leaves two

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Speaker 2: months ago, and the Jets could have called him because

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Speaker 2: they had him last year and they didn't even think

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Speaker 2: to do that, Like, just wrap your head. What kind

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Speaker 2: of organization operates like that? A clueless one? Like all

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Speaker 2: it is, oh, well, yeah, let's get Flacco in here.

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Speaker 2: Rogers has done for the season. We gotta get dudes,

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Speaker 2: Cleveland gets Flacco. Cleveland's going to the playoffs. And listen,

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Speaker 2: if they go to Kansas City for that for that

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Speaker 2: playoff game. You know who's not gonna be scared January

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Speaker 2: Joe Flacco. He's not gonna be scared. Man. Just let

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00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 2: that sink in. Jets could have had Joe Flacco didn't

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Speaker 2: even make a move, did not even make a move,

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Speaker 2: and he's thriving in Cleveland. All right, that's a lengthy

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Speaker 2: Thursday pod. We'll be back tomorrow with the usual Friday

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Speaker 2: gambling fair. I'll talk to you then,