1 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:09,639 Speaker 1: Zone Media, welcome to it could happen here. I'm Garrison Davis. 2 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: Last September, President Trump announced a federal crackdown on left 3 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 1: wing radical terrorism by signing an executive order dubbing quote 4 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 1: unquote Antifa a domestic terrorist organization and directing federal law 5 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 1: enforcement to investigate potential federal crimes related to political violence, 6 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: especially stemming from quote anti Americanism, anti capitalism, anti Christianity, 7 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:40,240 Speaker 1: and hostility towards traditional American values. Last month, the FBI 8 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: claimed one of their first big victories against so called 9 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 1: Antifa terrorism since Trump's National Security directive. On December twelfth, 10 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: the FBI arrested four people in southern California, who the 11 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 1: government claims are members of a far left group called 12 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 1: the Turtle I Liberation Front. The criminal complaint, signed on 13 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 1: December thirteenth by an FBI agent working at the Joint 14 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:12,399 Speaker 1: Terrorism Task Force office in Los Angeles, alleges that these 15 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: four individuals conspired to construct and detonate a series of 16 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 1: bombs in southern California on New Year's Eve twenty twenty five. 17 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:25,960 Speaker 1: The four defendants were first charged with conspiracy and possession 18 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 1: of an unregistered destructive device, then On December twenty third, 19 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:35,960 Speaker 1: a federal grand jury indicted them on additional terrorism related felonies. 20 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: Here's a brief clip from the FBI press conference announcing 21 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 1: the arrests where First Assistant US Attorney Bill Assley compared 22 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 1: the Turtle Island Liberation Front group to Antifa. 23 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 2: This case is another reminder about the dangers that radicalized 24 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 2: Antifa like groups posed to people, public safety, and the 25 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 2: rule of law. 26 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 1: In court documents, the defendants are not just referred to 27 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: by their legal names, but also by their direct action 28 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 1: or signal code names. Audrey Eileen Carrol aka Asanach or 29 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 1: Black Moon, Zachary Aaron Paige aka ak Ash Carrington or 30 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 1: Cuthulhu's Daughter, Dante Garfield aka Nomad, and Tina Laie aka 31 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: kickwere The criminal complaint states that after forming the initial 32 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:36,799 Speaker 1: bombing plan, Carol and Page recruited additional co conspirators who 33 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 1: participated in further planning meetings and helped procure bomb making materials. 34 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 1: On December twelfth, the four defendants traveled to a remote 35 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:48,920 Speaker 1: location in the Mohafi Desert with the alleged intent to 36 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 1: build and test explosive devices. An undercover FBI agent was 37 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 1: present at the testing site and a surveillance plane observed 38 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 1: from overhead. Before the defendants completed assembling a functional explosive device, 39 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 1: the FBI arrested Carol, Paige Garfield, and Lie. From the 40 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:13,360 Speaker 1: court documents that are currently available, the earliest allusion to 41 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 1: this New Year's Eve bombing plot is in a signal 42 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: message dated November twenty fourth, twenty twenty five, allegedly from 43 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 1: one of the defendants, Audrey Eileen Carroll, to whom they 44 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 1: believed was a genuine co conspirator, but was actually a 45 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: confidential human source working with law enforcement. According to the indictment, 46 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: this alleged signal message from Carol stated that she and 47 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: quote unquote four comrades were planning to go to the 48 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 1: desert from December eleventh to December thirteenth, twenty twenty five, 49 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 1: to quote test the items we are going to use 50 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 1: for those party plans unquote. This message references pre existing 51 00:03:55,360 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 1: quote unquote party plans, which any prior origin of has 52 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: not yet been elaborated on. This confidential human source appears 53 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 1: to be an individual embedded in the Los Angeles activist scene. 54 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: The criminal complaint describes them like this quote. The confidential 55 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:18,479 Speaker 1: human Source is cooperating with law enforcement and is a 56 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:23,039 Speaker 1: validated and vetted source. The Confidential Human Source has been 57 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 1: a reliable source of information since in or around August 58 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:30,479 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. The Confidential Human Source is cooperating for 59 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: financial compensation. The Confidential Human Source does not have any 60 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 1: criminal history. The Confidential Human Source provided past reliable reporting 61 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 1: on other cases and has provided reliable reporting in this case. Unquote. 62 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 1: The quote unquote Turtle Island Liberation Front appears to be 63 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 1: a relatively new group with a social media footprint that 64 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:58,279 Speaker 1: only goes back to July twenty twenty five. The Instagram 65 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: bio for their LA chapter reads quote liberation through decolonization 66 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:10,039 Speaker 1: and tribal sovereignty unquote. Their most recent post, from December twelfth, 67 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 1: the day of the arrests, is promoting a quote unquote 68 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 1: Palestine pop up market in Culver City. A post from 69 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 1: November twenty eighth reads quote if they hurt you, they 70 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:26,720 Speaker 1: hurt me too. Our destinies are intertwined. Liberation for one 71 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 1: must mean liberation for all. The empire must fall, and 72 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: from within the belly of the beast, we must be 73 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 1: the ones to dismantle it. Revolution is the only way 74 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 1: stop quote unquote peaceful protesting, rise up, fight back. We 75 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:49,040 Speaker 1: are not outnumbered. They are organize and be ready unquote. 76 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:52,119 Speaker 1: As news of this group and the bombing plot spread 77 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: around the internet last month among the left, there was 78 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 1: a lot of skepticism pointed at the authenticity of the 79 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 1: story and the Turtle Island Liberation Front group itself, with 80 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:07,600 Speaker 1: questions pointed at its name and some language used in 81 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 1: their social media posts. The name derives from a term 82 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 1: that some Indigenous tribes used to describe the North American 83 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:19,160 Speaker 1: continent and is common language among a certain sect of 84 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 1: quote unquote land back activists. The Liberation Front moniker has 85 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:27,720 Speaker 1: been used by a collection of direct action based groups, 86 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 1: most notably the Earth Liberation Front and the Animal Liberation 87 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 1: Front in the two thousands. Though the Turtle Island Liberation 88 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 1: Front group doesn't seem to have been a formalized activist 89 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: group for very long, there were genuine people involved with 90 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 1: this group, as evidenced by there being for defendants in 91 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 1: this criminal case. The Turtle Island Liberation Front Instagram account 92 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: was run by one of these defendants, and the language 93 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:59,159 Speaker 1: used in their posts is not uncommon among the quote 94 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:03,279 Speaker 1: unquote antium perialists whose ideology is grown an influence among 95 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:07,719 Speaker 1: the American left during Israel's genocide in Palestine, and though 96 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: both an FBI informant and an undercover employee played a 97 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:15,239 Speaker 1: part in this investigation, the group seems to have contained 98 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: a collection of genuine individuals who have participated in the 99 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 1: wider Los Angeles activist scene and especially anti Israel protests. 100 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 1: The indictment and criminal complaint outlined the material steps that 101 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: defendants allegedly took to detail the plans of this bombing 102 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 1: plot and procure materials to construct explosive devices without material 103 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 1: support from FBI sources or undercover employees. All the information 104 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 1: in the indictment and criminal complaint is alleged, and all 105 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 1: the defendants should be considered innocent until proven guilty. The 106 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 1: indictment claims that Carol set up an in person meeting 107 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 1: for November twenty six to discuss the bombing plot with 108 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: another alleged Turtle Island Liberation Front member, Zachary Aaron Page, 109 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 1: and the confidential human source, who were instructed to quote 110 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 1: where casual block, no devices, If you can't leave it 111 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: at home, have it turned off and wrapped in tinfoil. 112 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: Makeshift Faraday Bagot. During this in person meeting, Carol allegedly 113 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: distributed an eight page handwritten document titled Operation Midnight Sun, 114 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: outlining the plan for the bombing to both the Confidential 115 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:36,079 Speaker 1: Human Source and co defendant Zachary Page. Carol allegedly retained 116 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 1: two to four additional copies of the handwritten plan. The 117 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 1: indictment says that Carol explained that the document was handwritten 118 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 1: because she quote did not want any traces of the 119 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 1: attack plan on a computer. After this meeting, Carol allegedly 120 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 1: sent an encrypted message to the confidential Human source about 121 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: the bomb testing camp out in the desert. Quote, this 122 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 1: trip is very spicy. We'll be testing the things we're 123 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 1: gonna make for December, like the things in the instructions 124 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:10,319 Speaker 1: on that document I gave you. Testing first is important 125 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 1: so we know how well they work lol unquote. The 126 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:18,679 Speaker 1: plan was for teams of four on the ground participants 127 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 1: to plant backpacks containing quote unquote complex pipe bombs or 128 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:29,479 Speaker 1: IED's improvised closive devices outside of buildings at five locations, 129 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: targeting two US companies, and then simultaneously detonate the bombs 130 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 1: at midnight on New Year's Eve twenty twenty five. There 131 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: would be one off the ground member assisting the teams 132 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:44,439 Speaker 1: remotely by listening to police scanners or stationed in a 133 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 1: vehicle in case quote an emergency getaway is needed unquote, 134 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 1: and one member of each on the ground team would 135 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 1: create graffiti of quote a red triangle and one message 136 00:09:56,880 --> 00:10:00,040 Speaker 1: of the teams, choosing on the sidewalk closest to the 137 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 1: building while the other three are placing the devices. The 138 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: indictment claims that the handwritten plan also instructed co conspirators 139 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: quote once you plant your IEDs, if there is any 140 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:17,559 Speaker 1: time to safely do so, dump an accelerant around the premises, 141 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 1: such as gasoline for added effect. We want to do 142 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: as much damage as possible unquote. The plan identified five 143 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 1: target locations as quote unquote marks, with five more blank 144 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 1: slots captioned add more if enough comrades. The criminal complaint 145 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:41,319 Speaker 1: states that these targets were quote property and facilities operated 146 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:44,320 Speaker 1: by two separate companies that are used or engaged in 147 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 1: activities affecting interstate and foreign commerce unquote. I'm going to 148 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:54,119 Speaker 1: quote from three sections of the criminal complaint that outline 149 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:58,679 Speaker 1: some of the opsec or operational security precautions that are 150 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 1: allegedly included in this handwritten plan. Quote. The plan described 151 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 1: multiple operational security measures the co conspirators should take to 152 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: conceal their identities, such as the use of a burner 153 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: phone that would be disposed of after the bombings by 154 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 1: quote submerging it in a concrete brick after destroying the 155 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 1: sim and then disposing of the brick in a body 156 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 1: of water unquote. The target date of the operation, New 157 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 1: Year's Eve, was identified as an opportune time because quote 158 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 1: fireworks will be going off at this time, so explosions 159 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 1: will be less likely to be noticed as immediately as 160 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 1: any normal day unquote. The plan emphasized that quote absolutely 161 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 1: no mistakes can be made unquote. The plans outline the 162 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 1: use of quote unquote black block over top of a 163 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 1: layer of quote gray slash casual block on top of 164 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 1: normal street clothes, and noted to keep hair very tightly concealed, 165 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 1: and to wear gloves for the purpose of avoidance of 166 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 1: leaving behind. DNA further instructed that participants should leave their 167 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 1: personal devices at home and to make sure the devices 168 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 1: were set up to stream a long movie during the 169 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 1: time of the attacks, as so to craft an alibi 170 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 1: or quote unquote plausible deniability by having it appear as 171 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 1: though the actor was actively using their devices. The plan 172 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 1: discussed pre operational surveillance of targets, identification of D block 173 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 1: or D clothing locations, and not leaving quote anything other 174 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 1: than the IEDs behind unquote as they could not quote 175 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 1: risk any evidence tracing back to us quote. The plan 176 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: also noted the benefit of placing a small pebble in 177 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 1: a shoe to alter natural gait to obfuscate their identification. 178 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:51,199 Speaker 1: Instructions on how to purchase materials to construct a pipe 179 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 1: bomb suggested using cash only, purchasing in small quantities to 180 00:12:55,920 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 1: avoid suspicion, and splitting purchases amongst a team rather then individually. 181 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 1: In addition to the plan of action and operational security tactics, 182 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 1: detailed instructions were provided on the components required to build 183 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:22,959 Speaker 1: a pipe bomb, as well as how to create homemade gunpowder. 184 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: On December second, there was another in person meeting between 185 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 1: the law enforcement source, Carol and Page, as well as 186 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 1: two other co conspirators, to go over the plan. They 187 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 1: met again on December seventh to review the bombing plot 188 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:45,439 Speaker 1: and allegedly discussed intent to conduct future attacks against federal offices. 189 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:50,199 Speaker 1: This meeting was also attended by an undercover FBI employee 190 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 1: who was being recruited to join the operation. The undercover 191 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:58,599 Speaker 1: asked Carol about the black powder instructions in the handwritten 192 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: plan and responded that she conducted the research herself and 193 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 1: discussed wanting to test several different types of bomb to 194 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 1: determine which could quote unquote completely pulverize their assigned building 195 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 1: on New Year's Eve. To quote the criminal complaint quote, 196 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 1: Carol stated that she had acquired some components thirteen PVC 197 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 1: pipes and that she had bought potassium nitrate on Amazon 198 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 1: using a burner account that was scheduled to be delivered 199 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 1: on December eleventh, twenty twenty five. During this in person meeting, 200 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 1: Carol confirmed that she operated the Turnal Island Deliberation front 201 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 1: Instagram account and that she had met a co conspirator 202 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 1: through said Instagram account. The indictment claims that Carol told 203 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 1: co conspirators in this meeting quote what we are about 204 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 1: to do, that's gonna be like a Luigi level situation unquote, 205 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 1: and that it was time for America to fall, and 206 00:14:56,800 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 1: that America falling will make Israel fall According to the indictment, 207 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 1: during this December seventh meeting, Page told attendees again, including 208 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 1: an undercover FBI employee, that they were doing everything quote 209 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 1: to be as clean as possible because one hundred thousand 210 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 1: percent the FBI is gonna be like on that shit. Yeah, 211 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 1: so we all know what we're getting into unquote in person, 212 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 1: Page outlined some of the operational security precautions to avoid 213 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 1: law enforcement detection, like covering shoes with socks to cover 214 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 1: shoe prints, and burning shoes after the bombing. Page also 215 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 1: allegedly asked attendees if they would like to receive firearms 216 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 1: training from a group that held a training about a 217 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 1: month prior, and Carol said that she had a contact 218 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 1: who could obtain unregistered ars. This wasn't the first time 219 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 1: Turtle Island Liberation Front members allegedly brought up firearms. The 220 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 1: indictment claims that on quote December third, twenty twenty five, 221 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:06,479 Speaker 1: defendant Page, using an encrypted messaging application, asked the confidential 222 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 1: human source if the human source was interested in receiving 223 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 1: fire arms training. Explaining his plan to shoot ICE officials. 224 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 1: In a voice message to the confidential human source, defendant 225 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 1: Page stated, quote, I just had this day dream. I 226 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 1: was like, we're just patrolling or whatever, and we're strapped right, 227 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 1: and we see ICE trying to pull up on someone 228 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 1: or a group of people, and we just like roll 229 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 1: up on them, like strapped up, and we're like, nah, 230 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 1: get the fuck out of here. They're gonna get shot 231 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 1: if they try to do anything like we shoot first, 232 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 1: we ask questions later. That's the policy. I told that 233 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 1: too in Brackets defendant Carol. Defendant Carol knows all about this, 234 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 1: and Brackets Defendant Carol was like, yeah, let's fucking do it. 235 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 1: But I'm like, seriously, that is what's needed. Maybe if 236 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 1: ICE agents they're like, wait, I don't want to get 237 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 1: fucking shot right now, they ain't gonna do it. And 238 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 1: if they still try to do it, well, guess what. 239 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:08,120 Speaker 1: Welcome to the dirt, motherfucker unquote. After sending this voice message, 240 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 1: Page told the confidential human source quote, let me know 241 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 1: when you listen so I can delete it. Unquote. Small 242 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:17,680 Speaker 1: lines like that are part of what I find really 243 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: interesting in this Turtle Island Liberation front case, because the 244 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:25,159 Speaker 1: indictment and criminal complaint are just full of the defendants 245 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:29,959 Speaker 1: recommending these security folklore practices like setting up your phone 246 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 1: to stream a long movie to create an alibi, and 247 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 1: placing a small pebble in your shoe to alter your gait, 248 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 1: deleting these messages after you send them, which they're trying 249 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:44,879 Speaker 1: to do, all while working with not just an FBI 250 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:50,639 Speaker 1: informant but also an undercover agent. During the December seventh 251 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 1: in person meeting, Page and Carol discussed plans for future 252 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 1: attacks after this New Year's Eve bombing plot, specifically a 253 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 1: plan to target ICE agents and vehicles with pipe bombs 254 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 1: starting around January or February twenty twenty six, with Carol 255 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 1: noting in the meeting quote that would definitely take some 256 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 1: of them out and would probably scare the rest of 257 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 1: them unquote. 258 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:15,880 Speaker 3: Now. 259 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 1: Following this meeting, more co conspirators, including an undercover FBI employee, 260 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 1: were added to the signal group chat called the Order 261 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:29,879 Speaker 1: of the Black Lotus, which Carol described as the radical 262 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:33,880 Speaker 1: faction of the Turtle Island Liberation Front and which Page 263 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 1: described as quote unquote super underground. The indictment contains some 264 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 1: alleged messages sent to an encrypted group chat. It's unclear 265 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 1: this is specifically the Order of the Black Lotus chat 266 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 1: or another Turtle Island Liberation Front related chat. But I 267 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 1: will read through some of these messages. Quote Page messaged 268 00:18:55,280 --> 00:19:00,680 Speaker 1: co conspirators, including defendants Carol and Garfield quote death to Israel, 269 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: death to the USA, death to colonizers, death to settler colonialism. 270 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 1: In response to defendant Pages message, defendant Carol stated, quote 271 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:13,879 Speaker 1: death to them all, burn it all down, three burning 272 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 1: heart emojis. Unquote. Defendant Carol messaged co conspirators, including Page 273 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:24,680 Speaker 1: and Garfield, quote I identify as a terrorist and I 274 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 1: am a Hamas fangirl. Unquote. Garfield messaged co conspirators, including 275 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 1: Carol and Paige quote I am here to destroy Zionism 276 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 1: by any means necessary. Real activism equals destroying Zionism by 277 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 1: any means necessary, even if it's risky. If you aren't 278 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:46,200 Speaker 1: willing to die for or lose your freedom, then you're 279 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:50,440 Speaker 1: just another toy in the machine. Unquote. Carol messaged quote 280 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:54,920 Speaker 1: glory to the martyr's death to Israel, three salute emojis. 281 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 1: And on December third, defendant Carol told the Confidential Humans 282 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:04,680 Speaker 1: source quote these fucking SJW peaceful protest libs are insane, 283 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:07,439 Speaker 1: like it's wild to me that I've seen state violence 284 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 1: enacted on some people like that, and they still think 285 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 1: they can keep going with peaceful protest bs and indirect 286 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 1: roots unquote. Defendants used the BLACKLOADUS group chat what Carol 287 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 1: described as quote our group for everything radical unquote, to 288 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 1: discuss sourcing bomb making parts including cotton string and PVC pipes, 289 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:32,119 Speaker 1: as well as coordinates for the explosives testing site in 290 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 1: the desert quote where we will set up camp and 291 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:39,360 Speaker 1: where we will test unquote. On the afternoon of December tenth, 292 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:43,879 Speaker 1: Page messaged the group about just having acquired two parts 293 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 1: for the bomb recipe and that starter would be picked 294 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:52,159 Speaker 1: up later that day. Page was under FBI surveillance around 295 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 1: the time this message was sent, and fifteen minutes prior 296 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 1: to sending this message, Page was seen grabbing a package 297 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 1: from an Amazon pick up location. Hours later, FBI agent's 298 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 1: watched Page by pistol primers from a store in Irving, California. 299 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:13,120 Speaker 1: Quote dressed in a manner to obscure Page's identity, namely 300 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 1: wearing a medical mask, gloves, ball cap, and longsleeved shirt 301 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 1: to quote the criminal complaint. Carol replied to Page's messages 302 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,919 Speaker 1: about obtaining more items from the ingredient's list, writing that 303 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 1: another package was quote already delivered, got to pick it 304 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 1: up tomorrow, but yay with four whys unquote. The criminal 305 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:37,920 Speaker 1: complaint says that quote. According to Amazon records, on December seventh, 306 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:41,159 Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, Carol purchased two five pound bags of 307 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 1: potassium nitrate ninety nine percent heure prilled Kno three five 308 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 1: pounds for industrial and technical applications, to be delivered to 309 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 1: the Amazon counter at the Whole Foods located at three 310 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 1: three seven seven South La Sienna Boulevard, Los Angeles, California. 311 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:04,399 Speaker 1: The potassium nitrate was delivered on December eleventh, twenty twenty five. Quote. 312 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 1: In early December, Carol messaged the confidential human source on 313 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 1: signal a list of components chemicals and tools, along with 314 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 1: prices of the required items. Several of these components were 315 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 1: either listed as already purchased or designated to be acquired 316 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 1: by another quote unquote. Comrade Carol advised the confidential human 317 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 1: source quote with the list, write it and down when 318 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 1: you have some time. Then I'll delete that message, so 319 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 1: it's no in the chat all well. 320 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:33,680 Speaker 3: Quote. 321 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,359 Speaker 1: Carol also told the confidential human source that they should 322 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:40,919 Speaker 1: get some burner phones quote unquote bought with cash only 323 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,879 Speaker 1: for the bomb testing camp out in the desert. Page 324 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 1: instructed the group to only bring two burner phones to 325 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 1: use in case of emergencies and for directions on the 326 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:53,959 Speaker 1: way out to quote the complaint quote. Once everyone arrived, 327 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 1: their phones would be put in a small cardboard box 328 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 1: completely sealed with aluminium. The phones would not be returned 329 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: until the care caravan was out of the campsite and 330 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,920 Speaker 1: back on the main road. Quote forgetting to the desert, 331 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,440 Speaker 1: page wrote that each navigator should have a burner phone, 332 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:12,680 Speaker 1: quoting page in the complaint quote no phones besides burners, 333 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 1: and all phones except navigators to be wrapped in foil 334 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 1: or a Faraday bag for the entirety of the trip 335 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:22,639 Speaker 1: and install OSM. And it is an open source maps, 336 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:27,679 Speaker 1: so no corporate tracking unquote. Garfield wrote quote, I have 337 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 1: a few burners, but I'm saving for the big event, 338 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 1: the big party celebrate emoji quote. On December tenth, Carol 339 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:40,679 Speaker 1: sent the Confidential Human Source a message on signal reading 340 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 1: quote I kind of hand this notebook where I wrote 341 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 1: down multiple plans that never happened or got delayed, So 342 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 1: it's like my terrorist diary. Lmaoooo, I have to get 343 00:23:53,720 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 1: rid of that unquote. On the morning of December twelfth, 344 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, Carol Page, Garfield, and Lye traveled to 345 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:16,439 Speaker 1: the desert in two vehicles, the confidential human source in 346 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 1: one car and the undercover in the other. To quote 347 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:24,440 Speaker 1: from the complaint quote. In the undercover vehicle, Page discussed 348 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 1: using cigarettes as a delayed fusing device for the explosives. 349 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 1: Once they arrived in the desert, in the other vehicle, 350 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,640 Speaker 1: Carol explained to Lie that the day's events were meant 351 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 1: as a test run for the New Year's Eve bombing plot, 352 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,879 Speaker 1: which Carol described in detail, stating, quote, what we're doing 353 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 1: will be considered a terrorist act unquote. In response to 354 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,639 Speaker 1: Carroll's detailing of the New Year's Eve plot, Lie asked 355 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 1: if there would be any people at the bombing target locations. 356 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 1: Carol responded in the negative, but noted that if they 357 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 1: saw any people such as a security guard at any 358 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 1: of the locations, they would warn them. At approximately ten am, 359 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 1: the co conspirators arrived at the desert and began setting 360 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 1: up a campsite including tents and tables. Based on information 361 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:12,239 Speaker 1: from the undercover and confidential human source. Carol Page, and 362 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:16,360 Speaker 1: Lie all brought bomb making components to the campsite, including 363 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:22,639 Speaker 1: various sizes of PVC pipes, suspected potassium nitrate, charcoal, charcoal powder, 364 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 1: sulfur powder, and material to be used as fuses, among others. 365 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,919 Speaker 1: After the undercover alerted law enforcement with a predetermined signal 366 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,719 Speaker 1: indicating that bomb testing was imminent, FBI personnel intervened and 367 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 1: placed Carol Page, Garfield, and Lie into custody. This is 368 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 1: a clip from the law enforcement press conference announcing the 369 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:47,119 Speaker 1: arrests with a Keel Davis, Assistant Director in charge of 370 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:50,199 Speaker 1: the FBI Los Angeles Field Office. 371 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 2: On December twelfth, a group of individuals, again members of 372 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:58,920 Speaker 2: this antigovernment group, traveled out to the desert to test 373 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 2: their explosive device. They had precursor chemicals there and they 374 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:07,399 Speaker 2: were going to make They were going to create these 375 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 2: these bombs in the desert. What they are starting to 376 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 2: do is put their chemicals and wares and the components 377 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,440 Speaker 2: out on the on the table on the table there. 378 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 2: This footage that you're watching is from our surveillance plane. 379 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:24,680 Speaker 2: And then what happened after this is the Los Angeles 380 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:28,400 Speaker 2: FBI SWAT team, along with the FBI's Hostage Rescue Team, 381 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 2: moved in and arrested all four subjects without without incident. 382 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,439 Speaker 1: The criminal complaint notes at the end that quote based 383 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:40,359 Speaker 1: on conversations with the bomb technician. While no quote unquote 384 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 1: end caps were found at the campsite, the co conspirators 385 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:47,159 Speaker 1: could have improvised using other material to plug the end 386 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 1: of the PBC pipe, though such method would have been 387 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 1: less effective than using a proper end cap. As noted above, 388 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 1: there were also sufficient parts to create several molotov cocktail 389 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:05,439 Speaker 1: device unquote. After the arrests, law enforcement also raided the 390 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 1: homes of the Turtle Island Liberation Front members. In Page's residence, 391 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,680 Speaker 1: police found a copy of the handwritten attack plan Operation 392 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 1: Midnight Sun. That same day, December twelfth, another Turtle Island 393 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 1: Liberation Front related arrest was made all the way in Louisiana, 394 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 1: a former marine who was member of the Order of 395 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,679 Speaker 1: the Black Lotus Signal group under the name Darkwitch. She 396 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,399 Speaker 1: her who was also planning to instruct the group on 397 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 1: quote urban tactics, accuracy and combat shooting unquote. She was 398 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 1: arrested while driving from New Iberia to New Orleans with 399 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 1: a rifle, handgun, gas canister, and body armour. The FBI 400 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 1: believes that she was going to carry out an attack 401 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,399 Speaker 1: based on a Facebook post commenting on a border patrol 402 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 1: rest in New Orleans captioned quote shit time to recreate Waco, 403 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 1: Texas with these fuckers thuck Ice unquote. Three of the 404 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:07,360 Speaker 1: defendants in the Los Angeles case page, Carol and Lae, 405 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:11,399 Speaker 1: have pled not guilty. Garfield is set to be arraigned 406 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 1: the day that I'm recording this, and the Turtle Island 407 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 1: Liberation Front trial is currently scheduled for the end of February. 408 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,200 Speaker 3: It Could Happen Here is a production of cool Zone Media. 409 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 3: For more podcasts from cool Zone Media, visit our website 410 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 3: Coolzonemedia dot com, or check us out on the iHeartRadio app, 411 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 3: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. You can 412 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 3: now find sources for It Could Happen here listed directly 413 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 3: in episode descriptions. Thanks for listening.